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Iowa 41, Northwestern 31: Ding Dong, The Wicked Witch Of The Northwest Is Dead

I won't lie: I was nervous until this game until the clock struck 0:00 (or at least until Iowa was finally able to run out the clock).  Visions of past Northwestern comebacks danced in my head (particularly their improbable come-from-behind win in 2005, which involved an onside kick recovery); their hold over Iowa has been so strong over the last half-decade that I refused to believe this particular incarnation of jNW was dead until the clock made it official.  But the monster is dead, the monkey is off our back, the spell is broken -- pick your metaphor, at least for this year, they're all true.  For the first time in four tries, Iowa's victorious over Northwestern.  And God it feels so good.

Flipping the script.  For a while, this game felt like an ugly mash-up of the last few Iowa losses to Northwestern.  Sprint out to an early lead, then watch as jNW methodically came back?  Check (2008, 2009... kinda 2010).  An Iowa quarterback throws an ill-timed, momentum-changing interception on an underthrown ball?  Check (2009, 2010).  Watch the Iowa offense stall out after early success?  Check (2008, 2009).  And so on.  About the only thing that was missing was a significant injury to a key Iowa offensive player (and thank god that didn't happen). Needless to say, when jNW punched in the tying score to even up the game at 17 apiece after roughly the billionth patient, time-consuming dink-and-dunk drive featuring untold third down conversions, I was not exactly brimming with optimism and confidence.  After all, for the most part the fourth quarter has been nothing but a source of pain and frustration against Northwestern: dating back to their win in 2005 (and the beginning of their run of dominance), the Wildcats had outscored Iowa 44-17 in the fourth quarter.  Until last night, Iowa hadn't scored a single fourth quarter point against our purple oppressors since 2007.

Star-divide

But a funny thing happened when the game got tied: the Iowa offense decided to Hulk up and take over the game. Their next four drives went: TOUCHDOWN, TOUCHDOWN, FIELD GOAL, TOUCHDOWN, END OF GAME.  They simply refused to let Iowa lose this game.  The offense's eruption was both unexpected and long overdue: as I noted earlier this week, the biggest culprit in Iowa's losing skid against Northwestern has been an offense that has resolutely failed to produce up to expectations and take advantage of poor jNW defenses.  For three quarters, they were on pace to produce another underwhelming performance but in the fourth quarter everything finally started clicking: the linemen opened up gaping holes, Coker pounded jNW defenders, and Vandenberg shredded them over the top.  This wasn't the familiar script for an Iowa-Northwestern game... and thank god for that.

Welcome to the record books, Marvin.  Finally, after weeks of waiting (and no small amount of coverage by BTN on their broadcasts), Marvin McNutt at last officially etched his name into the Iowa record books after snaring his 21st career touchdown reception in the fourth quarter, tying him with Tim Dwight and Danan Hughes.  With any luck, he'll have the record all to himself after next week's game against Indiana.  But it's worth taking a moment to reflect on how amazing and remarkable this accomplishment truly is for McNutt.  Do you realize that three years ago he was a back-up quarterback transitioning to wide receiver?  (In fact, it was almost exactly three years ago that Marvin made his first career reception, in mop-up duty against Indiana.)  Do you realize that he tied the all-time Iowa record in two and a half seasons as a full-time receiver?  Do you realize that he did that despite playing alongside one of the greatest and most statistically proficient receivers in Iowa history (Derrell Johnson-Koulianos)?  Do you realize that he did that despite playing in an offense that loves to run, run, run the ball?  Seriously: two and a half seasons.  He has 21 touchdown grabs in thirty-one games as a primary receiver.  He has been a truly spectacular player for Iowa over the last three years; hopefully he gives us a few more highlights to celebrate over the second half of the season.

A few more words about the offense.  We've said all year that the onus is going to be on the offense to carry this team, so it was gratifying to see them do just that, particularly a week after their miserable outing against Penn State and against a jNW team that has historically led to a lot of below-average offensive performances.  Last night saw an Iowa offensive attack that was both productive (379 yards, 34 points*) and explosive (a whopping 7.6 yards-per-play average).  It was also a well-rounded attack: Vandenberg had a nice stat line (14/22, 224 yards 2/1 TD/INT), but Marcus Coker also had a good day (22 carries, 127 yards, 2 TD; 1 catch, 15 yards) and, more importantly, for perhaps the first time all year looked like the Marcus Coker everyone loved so much last year.  He ran decisively and with great power and aggression.  It certainly helped that the offensive line was (finally) able to open up some nice-sized holes for him, but this Coker was a far cry from the tentative, uncertain (and, apparently, injury-afflicted) Coker we saw in the early weeks of the season.  More of this Coker, plz.

There were some quibbles with the offense, of course.  Those two three-and-outs really didn't help a gassed defense that badly needed to stay off the field (particularly the one in the third quarter, when momentum was squarely on Northwestern's side).  If you're going to have a quick drive that doesn't give the defense much of a breather, at least have it end in points -- like, for instance, the 3 play, 72-yard drive in the second quarter that took all of 1:42 and ended in a 47-yard touchdown pass to Keenan Davis.  And tight ends remain utterly absent from the passing game, which is still kind of confounding.

* Yes, Iowa scored 41 points; 7 of those points came via Tanner Miller's pick-six, for which the offense can hardly claim credit.

But about the defense... While the main point of my argument about Iowa's struggles against Northwestern was that the offense has too often failed to produce in these games, the secondary point was that the Iowa defense has rarely been as bad as many people seem to think they've been against Northwestern.  Unfortunately, last night they really were as bad as everyone seems to think they usually are against Northwestern... and yet they also weren't. It was a very strange performance to try and analyze.  On the face of it, the statistics are absolutely awful: jNW scored 31 points (most against Iowa in a non-OT game since Wisconsin last year), amassed 495 yards of offense (most against Iowa since Missouri racked up 512 yards of offense in the Insight Bowl last year), ran an absurd 92 plays (42 more than Iowa!), had an almost 17-minute edge in time of possession (38:23 to 21:37), and converted a ridiculous 16 of 22 third downs on the way to gaining 29 first downs.  Just looking at those numbers, it's hard to see how Northwestern didn't run away with this game.  (Well, okay, you could just look at their defense's inability to stop Iowa and that would pretty much explain it, but work with me here.)  

For a good chunk of this game, the Iowa defense struggled to stop the jNW offense as much as they ever have.  Not only were they bleeding points -- they just couldn't get off the field.  Northwestern had FIVE drives of 10+ plays that lasted for 4-6 minutes apiece.  That's, uh, not good.  Not at all.  And yet even in the midst of all that bending, there was less breaking than you might have expected.  Three of those 10+ play drives failed to end in points for Northwestern: one ended in Tanner Miller's 95-yard interception return (one of the most exhilarating plays in recent memory), one ended in a punt**, and one ended in a missed 47-yard field goal.  And, yeah, that's sort of the point of the bend-but-don't-break defense: force a team to be patient and run a lot of plays and wait for them to inevitably screw up... but I think we can all agree that you're not always going to be able to count on a 95-yard pick-six, a missed field goal, and the other team to punt from your 34-yard line, yeah?  (Actually, so long as we're just talking Big Ten games, we really might be able to count on that last point...)  Sometimes it's actually nice if your defense can just get a stop and force the other team off the field.  

And yet... there were actually some encouraging things to take out of last night's showing by the defense, too.  While watching Northwestern nickel-and-dime us to death with quick passes to Drake goddamn Dunsmore Jeremy goddamn Ebert and option runs with Kain Colter was utterly maddening, the defensive line had probably their finest game of the season.  Dominic Alvis, Mike Daniels, Lebron Daniel, Steve Bigach, and Broderick Binns combined for 23 tackles, 7 tackles for loss, 1 forced fumble (and recovery), 3 sacks, and 4 QB hurries.  Binns was the most disruptive force he'd been since probably 2009 and Alvis had the best game of his young Iowa career.  They also generally did a much better job keeping outside contain than they'd done in past games.  Their efforts were directly responsible for at least ten points for Iowa: pressure on Persa forced him into the poor throw that Miller intercepted and Binns' strip-sack of Persa in the fourth quarter led to a field goal.  All in all, that's a good day at the office.  They were aided by the fact that Persa was clearly hobbled -- he looks like, at best, 75% of the player he was against Iowa last November -- but all credit to them for still going out there and making plays against him.  We suspected it would be a rough day for the defense, given their struggles all year and the absence of three regular contributors (James Morris, Anthony Hitchens, and Thomas Nardo), and it was a rough day for Iowa on that side of the ball -- but there were also some notable bright spots, mainly along a surprisingly disruptive and active defensive line.  

** In 10 plays and 5:01, jNW somehow went just 48 yards and then decided to punt from the Iowa 34-yard line.  Welcome to Big Ten football.

Bizarro results.  The win over Northwestern continued an unusual run of results we've seen this year.  Iowa lost to Iowa State for the first time since 2007, having won three in a row from 2008-2010.  They also lost to Penn State for the first time since 2007, having won three in a row from 2008-2010.  But they beat Northwestern for the first time since 2007, having lost to them from 2008-2010.  The bad news is according to that pattern, we're also due to lose to Indiana next week.  You could also interpret the results as simply mirroring 2007's results: so far we've beaten the same teams we beat in 2007 and lost to the same teams we lost to in 2007, which would mean we're due to lose to Indiana and Purdue (ugh), but beat Michigan State and Minnesota.  What does it all mean?  Well, nothing.  It's just a strange coincidence at this point.  Iowa's success or failure against Indiana next week will have a lot more to do with whether or not they have a hangover from this win than any sort of trend concerning results that involve three entirely different teams.  

You rock, Iowa fans.  Finally, I already praised the fans in attendance last night for their excellent efforts in pulling off the black-and-gold striping and the card stunts last night in a separate post, but I just wanted to give them another pat on the back.  Kinnick looked incredible and the atmosphere seemed amazing.  Job very well done, folks.

Poll
Who was Iowa's man of the match against Northwestern?
Marcus Coker (22 carries, 127 yards, 2 TD; 1 catch, 15 yards)
574 votes
Marvin McNutt (6 catches, 87 yards, 1 TD; 1 kick return, 14 yards)
111 votes
James Vandenberg (14/22, 224 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT; 2 carries, 16 yards)
106 votes
Tanner Miller (8 tackles, 1 INT, 1 TD)
237 votes
Dominic Alvis (5 tackles, 2 TFL)
110 votes
Other (specify in the comments)
19 votes

1157 votes | Poll has closed

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I'm voting McNutt

Not just for the catches, but also for grabbing both of the onside kick attempts. If Northwestern had gotten either of them I would have been a lot more worried. Secondary vote for the crowd for the card stunt, and again for getting back into it in the 4th.

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by chitownhawkeye on Oct 16, 2011 11:42 AM CDT reply actions  

Didn't vote that way

But those were obviously Bigtime big.

Please don't tell me how you hate BSU or their turf...I know all too well and keep my toliet water blue for a reason.

by BoiseHawk on Oct 16, 2011 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yep.

I almost voted for Alvis (sort of a proxy vote for the D-Line getting better pressure this week, and Persa wanted to run before throwing the 98-yd pick-six but Alvis did a good job of contain which led to the near sack which led to the INT). But the “1 kick return, 14 yards” reminded me that McNutt came up big with those two onside kick recoveries. Especially the first one, which I thought for a moment they were going to recover until McNutt grabbed the ball and ran through half their team to set up even better field position.

by cbrett42 on Oct 16, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I had to vote Miller on this one

Anytime someone from your high school goes 95 yds to the house, whether you are too old to know them or not, it gets the vote.
That said I have to lean toward both lines showing up as well. As Ross pointed out the D-line far and away had their best game.
I think the same can be said for the offensive line as well. Coker was routinely not getting touched seen by jNW’s defensive line and first contact was at the 2nd level. That north-south rush attack paved the way for the single best play-action passing attack we’ve had since Stanzi-ball as well. Speaking of, did KOK get inspired by Wisc-Indian clips from last year—b/c he was in stomp on jNW’s jugular mode in the 4th.

Please don't tell me how you hate BSU or their turf...I know all too well and keep my toliet water blue for a reason.

by BoiseHawk on Oct 16, 2011 11:54 AM CDT reply actions  

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Please don't tell me how you hate BSU or their turf...I know all too well and keep my toliet water blue for a reason.

by BoiseHawk on Oct 16, 2011 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

there was a few busts close to the school

At lealeast back in those days…but I can’t speak to what may or may not be good meth.
As far as HS slamming goes though, I’ve got no real interest in it.

Please don't tell me how you hate BSU or their turf...I know all too well and keep my toliet water blue for a reason.

by BoiseHawk on Oct 16, 2011 9:59 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Hell yes!

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by Brock8144 on Oct 16, 2011 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was at a wedding, so I didn't see the game

But I voted McNutt. What an impressuve story and career.

Great job, #7!

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by Blackheartnopants on Oct 16, 2011 12:01 PM CDT reply actions  

I voted "other" and am giving my vote to Binns.

His pressure on Persa was consistent. And even if he didn’t make every tackle, it was his rush that helped flush Persa and allow Alvis or a LB to make the tackle. Binns also had the huge sack-fumble and started the INT.

by The Mexican't on Oct 16, 2011 12:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, I debated which DL guy to highlight there.

It seemed like more people in the threads last night had praise for Alvis so I went with him, but you’re right — Binns had a good game too, his best in a while.

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by RossWB on Oct 16, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed, voted for Alvis

but the rest of the d-line stepped up as well.

I know this should probably be in another thread, but I’m sooo tire of us(Parker) sticking to a soft zone against spread, dink and dunk offenses like jNW. Dunsmore and Ebert were pretty much uncovered all night. How do you expect to get our defense off the field when you give them stuff like that?! Also, we attempted like one blitz!! If our d-line can’t get pressure and the QB has all day to throw and has guys uncovered underneath because of the zone coverage of course the defense will spend all day on the field. The last TD they got was sooo aggravating, because not only was it a freshman QB, but because we didn’t even attempt to scheme to stop it….like some BLITZES!

by IAinCA on Oct 16, 2011 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

we were playing short-handed. that might have played into it.

I don’t necessarily agree that they didn’t get pressure, either. They probably got the most pressure they have this year.

by rupertj on Oct 16, 2011 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah agreed,

but last night wasn’t the norm for our d-line. If those kids can play like that every game then I’d shut my whiny mouth, but up to now its been the opposite.

by IAinCA on Oct 16, 2011 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

huh?

You’re talking about this game…so how are you not talking about this game…?

by rupertj on Oct 16, 2011 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

multi-tasking;)

I’m talking about Parker’s general unwillingness to scheme to stop spread offenses

by IAinCA on Oct 16, 2011 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Voted BINNS!

While short-handed on D he made things happen: the Tanner INT, strip-sack, pressure, etc.

As additional support, I give a meaningless prediction: Next week, 6 pass attempts will be spiked like volleyballs by B.B.

by iowabeakster on Oct 16, 2011 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Anyone else notice...

The picture of McNutt they posted along with Hughes and Dwight was conspicuously not McNutt.

(Maybe this was already discussed on the game thread, but I’m too ADD to go through a thousand pages of text.)

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by tigerhawk00 on Oct 16, 2011 12:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Two questions:

1. Who was that guy?
2. What happened on the sideline interference penalty on jNW? McNutt got TD 21 immediately afterwards.

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by BentNotBroken on Oct 16, 2011 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

One of their coaches tripped a ref.

I shouldn’t use “tripped” it obviously wasn’t intentional, still it was funny.

I said I have a DRINKING PROBLEM!!

by bornofclay on Oct 16, 2011 2:07 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Oh, weird. BTN totally glossed over the penalty.

thanks for the explanation

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by BentNotBroken on Oct 16, 2011 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

On top of that...

It was about time they flagged the jNW sideline on that call. Wizgerald was on the field through about 80% of the game. Every time someone was inside the 20 yard line, he was at least 3-5 yards onto the field to watch.

I was at the game and recorded it, but haven’t watched it yet.. did they show that or talk about it at all? Unreal how much he got away with.

by hwknout on Oct 17, 2011 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

He's so unprofessional

Made me throw up in my mouth a bit to see him bumping asses with one of his players. You’re not a player, douche.

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by tigerhawk00 on Oct 17, 2011 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

These two posts are grossly under rec'd.

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by BStylin Hawkye on Oct 17, 2011 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

What a strange thing to be angry about

Don’t you dare get excited and connect with your players, coaches!!!! Sports are serious and no place for emotion or fun.

by NorseHawk on Oct 17, 2011 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I imagine this is Fitzy’s favorite band.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Oct 17, 2011 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry! You did.

Unfortunately a loved one deleted it off the DVR so I can’t go back and look, but I’m much more partial to believing that it was a picture of Davis, despite HoyaGoon’s protestations.

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by SomeJerkPoster on Oct 17, 2011 1:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

If Davis had a beard

then yes, you might be right. But since he doesn’t, and it’s a picture of someone who does looking at his rather large hands (and no one’s ever mentioned that in connection with McNutt), I’m pretty confident in my assessment

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Oct 17, 2011 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Huh? The picture in question did not have a beard, and you could not see the hands.

It was an infographic with three portrait-style photos stacked on top of each other. Hughes, Dwight, and then Imposter McNutt.

"Let me finish or I will hammerpunch your clavicle." -Steve Youngblood

by SomeJerkPoster on Oct 17, 2011 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Then we must be thinking of two totally different things

There was an info graphic that started out with a quick shot that was a publicity still, then cut to a picture of Hughes, then Dwight on the same screen then McNutt (all three in in-game shots). I’ll admit to not paying that close attention to the in-game shot of McNutt other than to note it had #7 on the jersey and McNutt’s name on the back. I wasn’t really looking at his face, so I could be wrong. But if I am, BTN really went to a lot of trouble to cover up a mistake.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Oct 17, 2011 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're definitely thinking of something different than the rest of us.

At least those of us in this particular thread. These pictures were just tie-and-jacket shots of the three guys, each in his own box, etc. The person the bottom that was supposed to be McNutt most definitely was not.

meh

by tyger1147 on Oct 17, 2011 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

rewatching that part now

It most definitely IS McNutt

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Oct 16, 2011 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's just wearing a suit

in the first pic

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Oct 16, 2011 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really?

Now I might have to go back and re-watch because the photo I remember seeing didn’t look like this one.

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by SomeJerkPoster on Oct 16, 2011 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's a weird publicity still

but it is definitely McNutt

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Oct 16, 2011 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Have rewatched it three times

I’m very certain it is

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Oct 16, 2011 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nope.

Screenshots or it didn’t happen.

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by SomeJerkPoster on Oct 17, 2011 1:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know - maybe they fixed it later

But I can tell you for certain – it weren’t no McNutt. Eyes were squinty, bone structure totally different.

Also, if you disagree or didn’t notice – does that make you patently white?

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by tigerhawk00 on Oct 17, 2011 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm copyrighted caucasian.

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by Eyeheartfreedumb on Oct 17, 2011 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Voted Coker

but lots of good points about other players on here. I mainly voted for Coker because he finally put in a performance in the way that everyone (including himself, from the sounds of it) expected of him. I think he really got his confidence back in that 4th quarter, which could pay dividends going forward.

by Captain n Diet Coker on Oct 16, 2011 12:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Something I neglected to mention in the 2000 words of text up there but meant to...

I really liked the aggressive offensive playcalling in the fourth quarter. I wasn’t crazy about some of the calls in the second and third quarters — didn’t seem like we fed Coker enough — but I really liked seeing KF and KOK keep the pedal down in the fourth quarter. Up 24-17 in the fourth, the first play they called after the missed jNW FG was a downfield pass; two plays later the score was 31-17. And the first play after the first onside kick recovery was meant to be a pass, although the pressure forced Vandy to tuck it and scramble instead. It was really great to see them continue to push for points in that quarter (also apparent in the fantastic bootleg call where Vandy nearly scored), rather than just try to sit and hold a slim lead (as we’ve seen all too often in the past).

There were still things about the coaching on that side of the ball that bugged me — the aforementioned playcalling in the second and third quarters, not using timeouts before halftime — but the playcalling at the end of the game was a very, very nice change of pace from the norm, More of that, plz.

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by RossWB on Oct 16, 2011 12:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Oh man, agreed.

That was nice to see. Seemed like they were trying to pile on points even when it was all more or less sewn up.


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by Bucketochicken on Oct 16, 2011 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Every time Iowa gets a big gain on a bootleg

I know the opposing D-coordinator has to be extremely frustrated. You know they covered that during the week, as Iowa always has that waiting in the playbook, but I’m sure it is as maddening for them to watch as it is for us to watch our D let another 3rd and 8 go for nine yards and a 1st down six times in a drive.

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by BoiseHawk on Oct 16, 2011 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1 run-on sentence point

Please don't tell me how you hate BSU or their turf...I know all too well and keep my toliet water blue for a reason.

by BoiseHawk on Oct 16, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not only that

but the VDB scramble for TD that wasn’t was a fourth-and-one play from the 15! And it was a designed pass play.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Oct 16, 2011 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Offensive Line Props

I didn’t see anything in your article about the offensive line. Maybe I missed it. However, they need props for this game. Reiff had a couple of plays where he drove his guy 12 yards downfield on Coker runs. And they had good protection on pass plays most of the game.

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by HawkeyeFrake on Oct 17, 2011 6:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think Coker could have approached 200 yards if he had been given 30 carries last night.

jNW just couldn’t stop the run. For some reason Iowa tried to get cute in obvious run situations and it killed drives. The floater over Coker’s head being the most obvious mistake. Iowa’s refusal to run the ball in the 3rd quarter also helped jNW acquire those outrageous TOP stats.

by The Mexican't on Oct 16, 2011 12:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Was that the one where we tried to pass to him on 3rd and 1 at midfield at the beginning of the 2nd quarter?

I wasn’t a fan of that call, either.

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by RossWB on Oct 16, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes.

Even if the pass is completed it’s not a first down.

by The Mexican't on Oct 16, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Apparently Indiana has an even worse run defense than jNW (I know!)

So maybe Coker can get his 200 next week. Although I’d be cool with 100 for Coker, 100 for Johnson (or some combination from the backups), too.

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by RossWB on Oct 16, 2011 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would love to see backups getting some carries

I just happened to look at the team statistics for the season, and Mik’ail McCall is currently the team’s second leading rusher.

by A True Americanzi on Oct 16, 2011 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it's not good that a guy who hasn't played since the first quarter of the Tn Tech game is still our #2 rusher this year.

Backups NEED more carries.

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by RossWB on Oct 16, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

DeAndre had a few good carries

and definitely needs more touches. All these backups are obviously hungry and it’s evident they want to contribute. It blows my mind that we have a bruiser like and various “scat” backs in the stable, but we don’t utilize them.

by IAinCA on Oct 16, 2011 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

bruiser like Coker that is…

by IAinCA on Oct 16, 2011 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

I’d really like to see RB2 get a lot of carries – like Jewel did against Indiana a billion years ago or whenever the hell that was.


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by Bucketochicken on Oct 16, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sounds like next week we can Hulk Up again

Great analysis, love the use of the term “Hulk Up”. Might have to start using that in the game threads. Nice chatting with you in the late night games thread last night.

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by The Bird Cult on Oct 16, 2011 2:13 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Guys I didn't get to watch any of the game

But I’m so happy for McNutt and even happier that we finally get these assholes.

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by Pain in the Sash on Oct 16, 2011 12:23 PM CDT reply actions  

should be got. But you know, whatevs

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by Pain in the Sash on Oct 16, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

minor quibble...
with quick passes to Drake goddamn Dunsmore

Ebert was far and away our bane last night. He seemed to always be just past the sticks on 3rd down. Also he’s a senior…..SO LONG JEREMY EBERT! Miss him less than Persa.

by Argulor on Oct 16, 2011 12:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Oops.

Yeah, I meant Ebert. He was fucking maddening.

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by RossWB on Oct 16, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

probably because he was uncovered or given 8-10yd cushions…

by IAinCA on Oct 16, 2011 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cain Coulbert was a serious threat at WR.

I’ve no idea if jNW uses him in that role against other teams, but they definitely should. He had the best catch of the night and the speed to open up the offense on every play.

by The Mexican't on Oct 16, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Coulter has been on the field a lot in the previous 2 games as well

They realize he is dangerous with the ball in his hands and will continue to frequently line up as WR and take snaps in clear running situations.

by TEXaco on Oct 16, 2011 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but Ebert isn't named "Drake."

Or claim to play the “superback” position. What a bunch of purple assholes.

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by SomeJerkPoster on Oct 16, 2011 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I voted Coker but you could also write-in the O-line

because that third quarter drive where we ran better than any time this season came at a time when our defense desperately needed some rest. It also showed, for the first time this year, I’d suggest, what we thought our offense could look like—power running complimented by big pass plays to our receivers, who as a group were good enough that they couldn’t cheat too much on Mc Nutt.

A couple of other thoughts, though. Persa, to me, is not the same QB as last year. They put him in roll-out situations more in the second half when they started killing us but even then, I thought he got rid of the ball quicker. in the pocket, where it looked like they kept him to protect him, he isn’t as good. We are also built better to handle him. As fast as Clayborn was, Alvis made plays on the edge that AC didn’t make last year and maybe couldn’t make. The lack of size that killed us last week helped save us last night (hard to believe it could have been worse, but it could). Also, while each one is different, this is the, what, fourth dink and dunk team we have played this year? Our schedule prepared us better than ever before for this game. Considering how young parts of defensive backfield are, plus the loss of Morris, whose speed was missed last night, the defense did all right.

Biggest individual concern from last night is that Martin-Manley has to catch footballs.

And yeah, the playcalling. If I didn’t know better I could have sworn Hayden intercepted the signals to Kirk’s or KOK’s headsets and sent in those deep passes and the bootleg in the 4th. God, I miss the man.

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by Mr. Grizz on Oct 16, 2011 12:24 PM CDT reply actions  

The bootleg was the back breaker

There were a lot of big plays in the game but I think that play pretty much dumped liquid neutronuim on jNWU’s chance at a comeback. Best call the staff has made in a game this year IMHO. If we’ve established any identity I think this is going to be a 4th quarter team – I really don’t see us putting away anyone early here on out. VDB needs to lead to a big road win at Miinny tho.

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by The Bird Cult on Oct 16, 2011 2:19 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Call of the year?

That might be the best play KoK has ever called.

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by nerdhawk on Oct 16, 2011 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

*cough cough* Reisner's catch on bootleg in the bowl game *cough cough*

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by SomeJerkPoster on Oct 16, 2011 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you

I thought the exact same thing.

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by Eyeheartfreedumb on Oct 16, 2011 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it was basically the same play

but because we don’t have TE’s this year it was for McNutt in the corner. It was covered, JVB saw green and took off – very good read.

I thought it would be nice for the replay booth to call him down at the 5 so it would have taken Coker 2 plays and a minute of game time to score instead of one at like 22 seconds.

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by The Bacon Explosion on Oct 17, 2011 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Play was supposed to be a short pass to Herman, I think

but Herman stumbled coming off the line and was covered. VDB saw there was a TON of green in front of him and wisely took off running. Herman did make a nice block for him downfield, though.

I could be wrong, but I don’t think any of the TEs caught any passes or were really even targeted (outside of the play mentioned above). But I did see Polish Hat in the game a LOT, even just for blocking. Maybe he’s improving enough that we can use him in the game after all.

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by HoyaGoon on Oct 17, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Drew and Warren on line 1

Ricky and Marvin on line 2, and Overwrought Hyperbole on 3.

by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Oct 16, 2011 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Brad and Dwight on Line 4

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by therealCatnuts on Oct 16, 2011 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I went with Other and voted for Nielsen.

He had the most tackles (I think), played out of position, and filled in admirably. He got killed a couple times in coverage, but so does everyone else against jNW.

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by BoilerHawk on Oct 16, 2011 12:48 PM CDT reply actions  

Fans, coaches, and players all stepped up. I voted other.

Tyler Nielson played a great game and seemed to glue together and inspire the defense.

However, this win was a team effort in the truest sense. Great game, go Hawks.

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by BentNotBroken on Oct 16, 2011 12:53 PM CDT reply actions  

A repeat of 2007 doesn't sound like much fun

Let’s get wins these next two weeks and make this its own year.

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by therealCatnuts on Oct 16, 2011 12:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Is there any reason 9-3 is really that optimistic?

Not to count chickens, but Purdue, Indiana, and Minnesota seem like wins right now. If we can go 2-1 against Sparty, UM and Nebby that puts us at 9-3 (6-2). I don’t see how that’s not a very achievable outcome. This can be a great year for one that’s still “rebuilding”.

by BraveHawk on Oct 16, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I see Iowa finishing 8-4

Although 9-3 isn’t a huge stretch. (I don’t see 7-5 as a huge stretch either.)

Very Likely Iowa Wins: Indiana and Minnesota (Sigh.)
Likely Iowa Win: Purdue (Iowa is better, but Purdue has looked, well, not terrible at times.)
50/50: Nebraska (I think they’re over-rated, but who knows?)
Somewhat Likely Iowa Loss: Michigan (Over-rated, but still potent on offense.)
Likely Iowa Loss: Michigan State, although I would not bet the kids’ college fund on Sparty.

Iowa’s issues on defense haven’t gone away despite the win last night, and those issues will cost them at least one game down the stretch, probably two (I put the over/under in the Iowa-Michigan game at seventy), and possibly three. Dropping four games is very unlikely, as is winning out.

/ducks, runs out door

by Midnight Rambler on Oct 16, 2011 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

How is this not green, people?

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by Eyeheartfreedumb on Oct 16, 2011 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

If we're the only obstacle to the Bugeaters making the CCG

They’ll forfeit. Bielema will hang 70 on them just for having the temerity to show back up.

by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Oct 16, 2011 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Nebraska is going to kill us

I mean the actual state is going to bring down America. Splitting your electoral votes?!?! That’s un-American.

Oh, but also, on the field, they will kill us. Superior athletes, an excellent d-line and ballhawking secondary, at Lincoln. We are done for.

by TangerinePony on Oct 17, 2011 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

wow

do we have a different take on NE’s team.

Superior athletes – maybe but not gamebreakingly so. Also by what measure? Does their punter run a faster 40 than ours? Athleticism only gets you so far unless the difference is remarkable.
Excellent D-Line – they just lost arguably the best player on the line for the season, not easy to replace
Ballhawking secondary – I guess I watched different games than you, they were frequently out of position with only 5 picks all season. Also 3 of the top 5 tacklers on the team are DB’s so yea, that means they get to the ball but it is never good if your secondary is making a lot of tackles.

Finally they are giving up a little more than 27 points a game for 59th in the country. By way of comparison Iowa is 66th and giving up only 12 more yards a game. I think we can all agree Iowa’s D isn’t strong this year so only outperforming it by 12 yards isn’t anything to take a lot of pride in.

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by The Bacon Explosion on Oct 17, 2011 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm assuming he's spoofing.

Nebraska is soft on the lines, and their secondary is like the greet staff at McDonalds — changes every week. Their linebackers are small, and their QB throws the ball like he’s turning two from shortstop: body open, elbow down.

We play tackle football.

by Bellanca on Oct 17, 2011 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Confused.

I just thought that it was the morally superior culture, the product of FIVE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS, and their better homefield manners, that doom us in Lincoln.

We play tackle football.

by Bellanca on Oct 17, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know what it sounded like on TV...

But Kinnick didn’t seem as loud last night, especially on third down. Maybe jNW’s astounding third down efficiency had something to do with that. Credit to Northwestern: they had really good discipline…I only remember one false start even if it was loud.

by mattbednar on Oct 16, 2011 1:37 PM CDT reply actions  

I agree

It got really loud during and after Miller’s pick six, but wasn’t as loud as the end of the Pitt game.

by TEXaco on Oct 16, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I was in the North end zone and didn’t seem nearly as loud as most of the games last year. I think it was mix of A) Fans were waiting for jNW to come back, B) jNW was 16 of 22 on 3rd down conversions so it seemed useless to get too loud, C) lack of faith in the defense. I’d say probably mostly B and C.

by JHebz on Oct 18, 2011 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oops, sorry, I just got hit by a potato...

But I’ve never seen the Iowa fans heckle a coach so much before…it was glorious.

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by bornofclay on Oct 16, 2011 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey, that's what happens when you make the game personal...

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by RossWB on Oct 16, 2011 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

From my vantage point in the band

I couldn’t really hear anything aside from the usual “Get off the field, asshole!” or “Fuck You!”. It was just pretty much a chorus of boos every time he stepped on the field and started bitching about something.

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by BlackHeartOldPants on Oct 16, 2011 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sure Lake the Posts

will be rife with tales of batteries, jars of acid and pee, knives, gunshots and warhammers tossed in the direction of Fitzgerald and how the entire jNW band was set upon and beaten savagely by the crowd around them.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Oct 16, 2011 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Hey, war hammers are cool. I like war hammers. $115

Supposedly this is great workout tool.

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by The Bird Cult on Oct 16, 2011 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mine got confiscated at the south entrance before the 09 Michigan game.

I stood in the student section and just wanted to have some protection. Y’know, in case of the battery acid/urine melee.

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by Eyeheartfreedumb on Oct 16, 2011 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mostly "get off the field, Pat."

I myself took a more condescending approach by yelling “Oh, Patrick! Oh, Patrick!” whenever he was bitching about something. Eh, but I had been drinking…

I said I have a DRINKING PROBLEM!!

by bornofclay on Oct 16, 2011 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

voted coker...

he finally performed: ran downhill, covered the ball, and finished runs.

by lmlions21 on Oct 16, 2011 2:38 PM CDT reply actions  

I voted for Vandenberg

When it counted, and he had WR’s open for TD’s, he put the ball RIGHT THERE. He had only a couple of bad throws, but otherwise persevered despite TWO big drops (KMM and Marvin) that killed drives.

He had the big bootleg run for a TD (I know, reviewed away, but he gets the credit from me), plus another scramble that got yards.

And when it really counted, in the 4th qtr, he went all PITT-rally on NW and pulled out the win. Really a mature performance against a team we were snake-bit from.

About the defense: we CANNOT think that with a QB like Persa we can rush 3 and drop 8 into coverage and he will not complete that pass. He will. Every time. On plays where our d-line got pressure we did great; on the majority when we did not, we got burned.

The NW third down stat is staggering: 16/22! We blitzed maybe three times, one of which was quite successful, another almost successful, if Neilsen hadn’t basically run the wrong away around another Hawkeye to get to Persa.

I wish we would’ve blitzed much more on 3rd down passing situations in particular, because as it was we gave up 1st downs on over 75% of those plays. We were fortunate this one didn’t end the way 2010’s NW game did. As it was, there are enough similarities—90+ plays, big TOP advantage, Persa with 70% completions—that this remains a problem with certain QB’s.

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by The Director on Oct 16, 2011 2:46 PM CDT reply actions  

a QB like Persa

Thankfully I think we are done with those.

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by SomeJerkPoster on Oct 16, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dropping 8 into

umbrella coverage doesn’t do a whole lot when they’re throwing crossing routes from 5-10 yards.

by rosko on Oct 17, 2011 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Goddamnit

Don’t show a picture of an Iowa running back on a post talking about an Iowa win. Do you really want to anger That which Shall Not Be Named?

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by nerdhawk on Oct 16, 2011 3:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Voted McNutt

I was straight up horrified of those two on side kicks and Marvin made them pay. Great game. The jNW spell is broken. First post here at BHGP, Feels like I’m home after wandering the wilderness.

by Vicodumb on Oct 16, 2011 3:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Agreed.

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by Eyeheartfreedumb on Oct 16, 2011 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I voted Other

For the O-line. They owned the fourth quarter.

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by nerdhawk on Oct 16, 2011 3:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Beat me to it.

My thoughts exactly. Win doesn’t happen without the o line.

by NorseHawk17 on Oct 16, 2011 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I will vote

for the O line and D Lines. I would vote Coker but it still looks like he runs with his eyes closed…

by The KF Karate Chop on Oct 16, 2011 3:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Defense

still leaves MUCH to be desired. But also showed flashes of brilliance yesterday. It will get overlooked in the big picture, but the defense forcing a three-and-out and punt just before the half when VDB had thrown the pick and given Northwestern great field position was huge. If jNW gets a score there, even a field goal, I think we’re in deep, deep doodoo

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Oct 16, 2011 3:27 PM CDT reply actions  

What the hell?

Double post AND the body of my comment gets lost?

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Oct 16, 2011 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Was trying to say

the defense had a few key stops, the most important to my mind was forcing a three-and-out and punt at the end of the 1st half after VDB threw the INT and set Northwestern up with great field position to get a score before half

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Oct 16, 2011 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

watching the cowboys and patriots

any hawks to watch in this one?

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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Oct 16, 2011 3:31 PM CDT reply actions  

I think Tarpinian's with the Patriots.

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by SomeJerkPoster on Oct 16, 2011 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

this is probably a stupid question

Would jamming the receivers help us on third downs? In theory couldn’t we get more pressure on the QB and reduce the space between the receiver and the defender, making us not so soft 1 yard past the first down line?

I never learned about pass defense. Coach always told me to tackle the guy with the ball.

by RH's Bookie on Oct 16, 2011 3:42 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Enlighten me, but I'm guessing why we don't jam the WRs more on 3rd downs

What if the WR has better technique, twists you around, and is open behind the coverage with no one to catch him? You are totally, completely fucked. Norm’s philosophy is to minimize the number of chances you take and to give the offense the dining and dunking. I know he prefers the other team not score at all, but the defense is designed to either a) wait until you make a mistake or b) you get 3 points but nothing more.

Its structured to slow down teams from scoring TDs. But its not structured to stop everybody all the time…

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by The Bird Cult on Oct 16, 2011 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sure it's all because we're...

….trying to “keep everything in front of you”, and if you try and jam a guy and he gets past you right away, you’ve got an uncovered receiver streaking down the field.

On the other hand, if you don’t jam them you’ve got a receiver with a big cushion catching 8-10 yard passes with ease. I don’t know if there’s a really good answer, though I will say this: whether you jam or not, if the QB is pressured he’s going to make poor throws. I’d rather blitz more on 3rd downs than try and jam receivers on third downs.

Anyway, that’s how I see it, but then again I was viewing Donatel as a nickle-back all game rather than an LB, so my credibility has to be called into question on this one!

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by The Director on Oct 16, 2011 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree. Blitz more. Blitzing is fun.

Its too bad we can’t find a clone of Bob Sanders out there somewhere… I think Boomstine could suffice but I don’t know (since I did not watch the game) whether we used him in that manner yesterday or not.

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by The Bird Cult on Oct 16, 2011 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

we did.

once, i believe, on 3rd down. Hyde was covering the slot while Lowery covered Hyde’s original spot.

by GreatBarrierReiff on Oct 16, 2011 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just watched the replay.

We did blitz on a few 3rd downs, and on others Persa got the ball away so damn fast even a blitz would not have stopped him. We’re only talking 5-8 yard passes, but all of them seemed to be on 3rd and 4 or 5.

My blitz complaints pertain mainly to the last few series, when we went a little prevent and even their 3rd string QB led a long TD drive. Didn’t blitz at all on those drives.

Anyway, it’s hard to blitz and be successful when all they need is a 3rd and 4, they have four WR’s out, and their QB is named Persa. I understand why Norm has so much trouble scheming for NW, and why we’re all glad Persa has faced us for the last time.

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by The Director on Oct 16, 2011 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

They were also money

on a lot of 3rd and 6+ They got just what they needed almost every time.

Northwestern didn’t face many 2nd and long situations either

by GreatBarrierReiff on Oct 16, 2011 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Guys with a good quick release are extremely hard to defend

Namath was famous for being able to get rid of the ball, even late in his career, when he could barely back away from center before the pressure go there. Think of Marino in his prime, I’m sure plenty of other examples can be found.

Northwestern’s passing attack relies almost exclusively on having a QB that doesn’t hold the ball long, or can scramble and flick it away. Its chaos. Chaos is extremely difficult to defend against; all you can do is contain it.

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by The Bird Cult on Oct 16, 2011 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just so you know, at this very minute a team of Hollywood's finest

comedy writers have surrounded the BHGP headquarters and are meticulously crafting a “Get Smart” joke.

You: I find that hard to believe.

Oh. Would you believe that there are two monkeys in the next room sitting at typewriters and flailing away in hopes of stumbling onto a joke?

You: I don’t think so.

Ok. How about one SBNation blogger going to town on his Lite-Brite?

by DrHenryKillinger on Oct 17, 2011 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

jNWU has the ultimate Iowa opponent offense

Iowa’s D is designed to take away the run and the long ball. jNWU does not attempt to do either of those things.
Georgia Tech may have the worst offense to use against Iowa because they count on the run and long ball with no short passing game.

by Chief Okemos on Oct 17, 2011 7:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

I voted for Tanner Miller

because without his interception we would have lost. I really believe that. A 14 point swing against a team that was not being stopped at all…big.

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by StoopsMyAss on Oct 16, 2011 5:17 PM CDT reply actions  

That's the 2nd biggest play of the game - IMHO - that wasn't an offensive call

(I’m referring to Vandenberg’s bootleg, but that play sealed the game for us when I still think the outcome was in doubt). Undoubtedly it was the biggest play on defense because it took jNWU out the game early. They score and we are fucked big time.

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by The Bird Cult on Oct 16, 2011 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

What you said,

plus I just get the feeling that when we score points on defense we are much more likely to win in the end. I would like to see stats or our record when our D scores points.

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by Give Eddie a Beer on Oct 16, 2011 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

How can you not vote for Tanner Miller?

The play where he pushed the uncovered receiver out of bounds saving 6(7) points doesn’t have a stat. But that would’ve been a back breaker.

by Bunnyfiend on Oct 16, 2011 6:54 PM CDT reply actions  

I voted Coker

Vandenberg, though, showed that he can learn on the fly. We’ve been pretty lucky to have two quarterbacks consecutively who learn from their mistakes and demonstrate that on the field. It’s still pretty early in JVB’s career, but he’s definitely shown maturity in that regard.

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by bornofclay on Oct 16, 2011 7:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Two things I haven't seen mentioned:

The most impressive effort for the Wildcats was the assistant drum major (or whatever) who was basically dancing on top of a ladder for the entire game. Seriously, big props to that guy.

Also, was the sideline infraction actually on Fitzgerald? Fans were yelling at the refs to get him off the field the entire game. Everybody taunted him like crazy after the penalty, but I couldn’t tell if it was actually on him.

Spare me your space-age techno-babble, Attila the Hun.

by KilometersDavis on Oct 16, 2011 7:12 PM CDT reply actions  

I was told this was on an assistant.

Who was a little out on the field, and tripped-up a side judge trying to follow the play. But Fitz could be flagged all game, if flags were often given for being obnoxious and way out on the field.

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by The Director on Oct 16, 2011 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks, I figured it was something like that.

I saw the refs warn Fitz on at least 3 occasions; one of those times the ref seemed pretty animated about it. I’m wondering what it would have taken for him to actually get flagged. He was practically in the huddle a few times.

Spare me your space-age techno-babble, Attila the Hun.

by KilometersDavis on Oct 16, 2011 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

He did get flagged against MI, a 15 yard unsportsmanlike,

but that was for the play where MI could have been called for a face mask when Frodo’s helmet popped off, and the refs missed it. He was about in the middle of the field screaming his fool head off on that one. But that’s one of the few times I ever remember refs calling that penalty.

by txhawkeye on Oct 17, 2011 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

He's been called stupid for that, too

but I really can’t get too worked up. Fitz’s appeal to the students, especially, is his passion for the game, his team, and his school. This was that on full display, especially since he was protecting his “Heisman candidate”.

He earned about a minute-long “Pat-Fitz-GER-ald” chant from the student section and raucous applause for his efforts.

by MNWildcat on Oct 17, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's just go so much

Fitz-TENSITY!!!

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Oct 17, 2011 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll refer you

to Rodger’s weekly update on “Fitz-TENSITY” here.

by MNWildcat on Oct 17, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

We converted one third down.

And scored 41.

I’d say Ken O’Keefe was in the zone.

We play tackle football.

by Bellanca on Oct 16, 2011 7:24 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

The more concerning POV is

- Vandenberg threw for 142 yards against the 100th ranked pass defense defense, at home — IF — you take out the two busted coverage throws for TDs to McNutt and Davis. And even with those two passes, he threw for
- We had 2 drives of five or more plays, one ended in a FG the other a TD. [jNW meanwhile had 10 drives of five or more plays.]
- We ran 52 plays, they ran 94.
- Nathan Scheelhaase and Denard Robinson threw for 337 & 391 respectively against these guys.

I’m not trying to rain on the parade, but we have work to do. The last two weeks are the weirdest two weeks of Iowa football I can remember. I’m still clueless as to who or what this team is…which, actually, is not a bad thing because they might be one of those teams that just surprises you in a good way down the stretch.

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Oct 16, 2011 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

The only thing I would say is

Northwestern had to respect the QB run a lot more against Mich and Illinois than we did.

by clay-born to party on Oct 16, 2011 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also

he threw 10 less times than Scheelhaase and 5 less than Denard(Michigan also had to come back) and JVB still average 10.2 yards per attempt which is solid.

by clay-born to party on Oct 16, 2011 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

And sorry to keep adding but,

Michigan also had the ball 39 minutes which brings up your point about only 52 plays for Iowa, a normal amount of probably 65 and he prolly gets 300 yards

by clay-born to party on Oct 16, 2011 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

And we had Coker running well....

…..and we had a lead, and were trying to run clock much of the 4th qtr. Not really a valid comparison. If need be, and we’d been behind, I’m confident Vandy would’ve thrown for 300.

But Coker would’ve had under 75 yds, and we probably would’ve lost.

So, look at it this way: we didn’t NEED Vandy to throw for 300+ to win. UM and the Illini did.

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by The Director on Oct 16, 2011 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Sparty and tOSU proved that UM and Ill are somewhat one dimensional

They rely much more on their QB than we do to make something happen. In both the Illini and UMs cases, if their QB sucks, they tend to turtle in – they don’t have a RB to take over the game and get things going until the QB gets hot again or at least quits brainfarting enough to move the offense.

However, you can say the same thing of Michigan State too… If Cousins is on, watch out. If Cousins is off, you can change the channel rather than watch Sparty tank.

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by The Bird Cult on Oct 16, 2011 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

But its not like we already didn't know this about UM

Time will see if they continue their pattern of swooning in the 2nd half of the season as they did under Dick Rod.

I think Hoke is a better coach (at least a better FIT) for UM than Dick Rod, and like Harbaugh at Stanford and now the 49ners, he’s made an immediate impact with players that aren’t his. But you can see that there’s still a desperate need to upgrade the talent at Michigan if they want to be top dog again… don’t know if that’s going to be easy as the UM fans may think (no disrespect intended) but in these days of scholarship limits and parity, its harder to get back on top once your program has fallen down – in the senses of climbing up there and staying up there.

The mess at tOSU may help Michigan out perhaps not next year but a couple of years down the road. I’m not sure tOSU is going to find a good coach that’s going to be willing to take the job with the fan expectations – its very possible tOSU could be going through the same turmoil that Michigan faced under Dick Rod if they’re not very careful about who they pick… but if I were Hoke, I’d be telling recruits straight up that have a tOSU visit on their list “look at all the crap that’s going on down there – any more crap and the NCAA hammer will descend – do you really want to take that risk when no one is giving us the Evil Eye at this time?”

Turmoil in Columbus is good for all of us in the B1G, but its especially good for Michigan.

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by The Bird Cult on Oct 16, 2011 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was a strange win, but also a curiously relaxing one.

Sure, NW threw a lot of underneath passes. We cleared them out and ran for 10, when the safeties were back, or threw a bomb when they came up. We doubled their YPP and had no interest in competing with them, per se, in number of plays. Just the opposite, right? We had the lead and went on a 40 second play cycle instead of 15.

I’ve never seen a game where a team converts one third down and scores 41. That is an incredibly bizarre outcome.

If the no-huddle is one point on the graph, and the run-heavy traditional Iowa-O is the other, this game seemed to present a converging offensive strategy that holds promise. By that I mean, with a modest lead we opened things up further. I thought NW looked stunned that we didn’t go into a shell and try to squeeze the life out of the ball.

But it was just Northwestern. I think MSU might possibly be a leetle tougher.

We play tackle football.

by Bellanca on Oct 17, 2011 7:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

These days, if I look to a few stats to explain what is happening, they are

the obvious ones:

a. points
b. turnovers

and the descriptive ones:

a. YPP
b. plays greater than 15 yards
c. YPC over 4.0

I think that it was the Football Outsiders people who pointed out that the team that wins YPP wins 80+% of the games.

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by Bellanca on Oct 17, 2011 7:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm hoping you're right

that KOK is going to take notions of the uptempo offense used earlier and insert them into the conventional under center offense that features Coker more. What happened Saturday that has almost been ignored as a core element of the offense is the deep pass. Whether completed or not, that needs to be in the game plan early. Otherwise, the safeties are going to control the game.

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Oct 17, 2011 7:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think if any team might not be able to sustain another game like this one

it’s Iowa. We are not deep. We are not big. Allowing a team to control clock AND total plays like that will likely result in us being wiped out. Again, if Miller doesn’t intercept the ball we might be looking at another Pitt game. I don’t think we have an answer for the dink and dunk either. That is the one thing we are willing to give up (Prater allowing that late deep ball is unforgivable and I am sure he’ll crucified for it). I would like to see us take a few more chance on 3rd down on defense and make QBs think on that down. Again, early is better.

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Oct 17, 2011 7:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not so sure that you can throw for touchdowns against this Iowa team from inside the red zone.

If that premise is correct, I don’t care if teams throw for 400 and have the ball for 40 minutes.

In regard to our secondary, where has Berntine gone? Miller has been improving a great deal week after week, but Bernstine has become a ‘quiet’ player.

We play tackle football.

by Bellanca on Oct 17, 2011 7:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

To me, Bernstein is reacting whereas Sash and Greenwood anticipated

he’s maybe become a bit of a head hunter. Hard to say.

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Oct 17, 2011 7:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think you're right about the dink and dunk inside the red zone.

the schedule provides a wide range of defensive challenges for us the rest of the way. The one thing it does not offer up, is any suffocating defensive fronts. So I expect if we do anything great it will be because of Vandy, not Coker. Because he is going to have time and with time I think our greater effectiveness is with the pass. Coker dominated the fourth quarter on Saturday, but I don’t yet see the Insight Bowl stuff.

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Oct 17, 2011 7:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

MSU is not a suffocating front? They're positively scary. They're clearly more physical than OSU and Wiscy, and they tackle the best.

Otherwise I agree.

I also think it’s 50/50 Michigan just collapses again. Their quarterback play was so pathetic Saturday that I’ll be surprised if they let the offense even watch the tape.

We play tackle football.

by Bellanca on Oct 17, 2011 7:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would not overreact to the Michigan performance on Saturday

they played in 35 MPH winds. Denard is not good enough to play in those kind of conditions. They may fall apart and he looks like he is getting more and more worn down, but those were awful conditions and Cousins was supposedly the best he’s been all year in pre-game. I think we’re fortunate to get MSU after they play brutal games before playing us. But Michigan now has a bye week and then plays Purdue at home. They will be rested and ready to do what they do when they arrive in IC. Their really a defensive team anyway. Which is ironic.

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Oct 17, 2011 7:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, we'll lose to any team that can stop our run-game with 7.

But so would anyone else, I think.

We play tackle football.

by Bellanca on Oct 17, 2011 7:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think several early deep throws to Penn State would have done wonders for us

the next two weeks we need to get Vandy sharpened up. He needs to get his play action down, he needs to work the TEs, he needs to get his roll out passing to become more dangerous. The defense needs to utilize some more blitz packages and the conference needs to see it all. BUT…I expect the opposite. I expect KF to turtle up, win these two games and get out and save the good stuff—whatever good stuff there is—for the Michigans.

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Oct 17, 2011 7:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

In retrospect,

it’s pretty hard to beat a run-blitzing team if you have 6 drops in the intermediate zone. That game really rankles.

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by Bellanca on Oct 17, 2011 7:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

sorry

 And even with those two passes, he [Vandy] threw for a meager 224 yards.

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by StoopsMyAss on Oct 16, 2011 7:41 PM CDT reply actions  

and now a post fail....

I’m done for the night

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by StoopsMyAss on Oct 16, 2011 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Technically, you didn't win . . .

. . . Northwestern lost.

Must be maddening . . . even when you get a W, NU has to give it to you.

So, let’s look at the score – jIowa 41, NU 31.

Take away the stupid pick six and it’s jIowa 34, NU 38.

Take away the false start that takes NU out of field goal range and it’s jIowa 34, NU 41.

Take away the out of bounds pitch that takes NU out of field goal range and it’s jIowa 34, NU 44.

Take away the onside kick at the and it’s jIowa 27, NU 41.

Take away the Persa fumble and it’s jIowa 24, NU 41.

NU tries to give you the game for 60 minutes and you’re still barely able to avoid yet another loss.

And NU, to help you out even more, sends in its third-string QB and receivers and what happens? You can’t stop them and they go down the field and score in a few plays like they’re playing your cheerleaders.

If you think NU sucks . . . what does that say for jIowa?

NU can play it’s absolute worst game in years and is still only one play away from beating jIowa . . . again.

Give credit to Ferentz . . . running Coker and throwing bombs against a bad secondary was good coaching and kept you in the game. Good coaching, at least.

Iowa has years to go before they pull away from Minnesota, Purdue and Indiana.

by Yourfutureboss on Oct 16, 2011 8:25 PM CDT reply actions  

he said my story was cool,

and he called me “Bro”

Gotta get up to get down

by Gustav on Oct 16, 2011 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Seriously?

Stop trolling and giving us a bad name.

Iowa won, we lost. Jesus H. Tap-Dancing Christ.

by MNWildcat on Oct 16, 2011 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Dude is your dome sunburnt today?

Guess you had to hop in the Porsche convertible and drive around with your trophy GF with the fake body parts to work off the frustration of your loss… I guess life just sucks…

I know I shouldn’t feed the trolls but it’s such FUN… ;)

I’m surprised it took this long for a disgruntled fan to show up… LOL

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by The Bird Cult on Oct 16, 2011 8:40 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Thanks for signing up just to post that bit of wisdom.

See you day after never, troll.

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by RossWB on Oct 16, 2011 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

let's think about that

“So, let’s look at the score – jIowa 41, NU 31.”
 
  That looks like Iowa won and Northwestern lost to me, but they might teach you some maths over there in Chicago that aren’t yet available west of the Mississippi.

“Take away the stupid pick six and it’s jIowa 34, NU 38.”
 
  Well, take away Stanzi’s stupid interception in the 4th quarter last year, and Northwestern loses that game.

Your post is basically this: “If you remove all the plays that caused Northwestern to lose that game, they would have won.”
 
Thank you, Captain Tautology, I hadn’t thought of it that way. I notice that you ignore any impact the opposing team has on those plays. Like hitting the quarterback and causing a fumble, or recovering on-side kicks.

A man may leave Iowa, but Iowa never leaves a man.

by hawkeyeinstl on Oct 16, 2011 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wish my username was CaptainTautology.

Spare me your space-age techno-babble, Attila the Hun.

by KilometersDavis on Oct 16, 2011 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

No kidding,

That’s a great username.

"'Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, 'If it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic." - Lewis Caroll, Alice Through the Looking Glass

by chitownhawkeye on Oct 16, 2011 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Much like DRUGS, however,

it would be a brilliant but difficult meme to keep up

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Oct 17, 2011 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

You know, that makes me think

IIRC, Northwestern has been on the winning side of the luck/unluck chart for the last couple of years, unbelievably so. Have they finally regressed to the mean?

"'Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, 'If it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic." - Lewis Caroll, Alice Through the Looking Glass

by chitownhawkeye on Oct 16, 2011 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is probably the case.

But there’s still a bit of a ways to go before it’s at the mean…there’s just been a lot of this “luck” in close games. (I use quotes only because I’m waiting to see a fuller regression)

by MNWildcat on Oct 16, 2011 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I put the blame squarely on both teams

Hayden made it a point to beat Northwestern silly as part of building Iowa’s program. Barnett basically turned Hayden’s tactics against us – er, borrowed them, saying that Northwestern should be a team like Iowa – a team people don’t take seriously but yet beats people that they shouldn’t beat.

We took advantage of Northwestern as an easy win for so long that when you guys did get decent – and you have been decent, if very uneven in getting to decent – because of parity in the B1G (I think there’s far more parity top to bottom now than there was in the 80s when I was a student – league (and college football overall) Is much, much tougher top to bottom), no one can be taken for granted anymore, and you guys are living off of people taking you for granted when your team is healthy. I don’t know if we beat you with a 100% healthy Persa – Northwestern’s margin of error in games is far thinner than ours because I think there’s more a drop off in talent in your backups than other Big 10 teams – but your past few coaches have been effective in getting a lot out of very little.

Never *question* Bruce Dickinson!

by The Bird Cult on Oct 16, 2011 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll rec that shit.

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt

by HawKCP on Oct 16, 2011 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

And green

"'Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, 'If it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic." - Lewis Caroll, Alice Through the Looking Glass

by chitownhawkeye on Oct 16, 2011 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Technically, Iowa won AND Northwestern lost.

That’s the terminology.

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by SomeJerkPoster on Oct 16, 2011 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

So jNW treated this game like a bowl game.

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt

by HawKCP on Oct 16, 2011 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rec. Lovely.

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by therealCatnuts on Oct 16, 2011 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

One play away.

Ah, yes, that ultra rare 10 point scoring play.

by The Mexican't on Oct 16, 2011 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I once saw Bill Bellamy score a 25 point basketball shot for the Bricklayers.

I think jNW may have had a chance if they had Bill Bellamy playing QB. Or maybe Marky Mark.

Spare me your space-age techno-babble, Attila the Hun.

by KilometersDavis on Oct 16, 2011 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well done.

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by SomeJerkPoster on Oct 16, 2011 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

The one point about scoring points in bunches is that

That nasty law of averages means you go into the shitter in bunches too.

Never *question* Bruce Dickinson!

by The Bird Cult on Oct 16, 2011 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

fellow iowa fans, he has a point

if we hadn’t won, we probably would have lost.

i mean really, if you just take away everything that Iowa did to win and make it so NW did everything right the whole game, we would have lost for SURE!

everyone knows that forcing turnovers and catching onside kicks are pure luck plays anyway.

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by justsomehawkeyefan on Oct 16, 2011 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

And somewhere, there's a dead cat in a box that you just opened at a random moment.

Maybe. Or maybe not. No real way to be sure, but we are not so sure of that. Or are we?

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by The Bird Cult on Oct 16, 2011 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Take away the false start

And your shitty kicker missed the field goal anyway.

You must be the future boss at McDonald’s

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by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Oct 16, 2011 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Iowa has years to go before they pull away from minnesota, purdue, and indiana

So says the guy whose team is 0-3 in the conference.

You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!

by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Oct 16, 2011 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

His brain is overheated from the sunburn today, dude

He’s probably lying in bed now with his high maint GF and he’s got a couple of bags of ice cooling the gray matter down so he can go to work in the morning and avoid making executive decisions.

Never *question* Bruce Dickinson!

by The Bird Cult on Oct 16, 2011 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh good God. Um, we are so far above those places

Let’s see, Purdue produces a lot of engineers. I have no idea what IU and UMN produce (no offense to our friendly Minny posters like WSR, who actually has a good sense of humor about an incredibly shitty situation up North). Probably like Iowa, a little bit of everything and better in some academic programs than others.

Purdue is an ugly campus, IU is kind of nice, MN Is the big city thing like Columbus…

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by The Bird Cult on Oct 16, 2011 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

You got something against engineers?

Cuz I’ll…well, I won’t fight you, but I will MATH YOU TO DEATH, buddy! GO HAWKS!

by Xarin on Oct 16, 2011 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not at all. I was having fun at Purdue's expense.

I work with civils all the time, and if my math had been better in high school I’d be part of the slide rule brigade myself. I enjoy working with engineers! :)

Never *question* Bruce Dickinson!

by The Bird Cult on Oct 16, 2011 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

those teams have 5 total bowl wins in the last 10 years

Iowa has 6 alone. NWU has 0.

They have 0 total B1G titles, Iowa has 2. NWU has 0.

They have 0 BCS appearances, Iowa has 2. NWU has 0.

They have 0 BCS wins, Iowa has 1. NWU has 0.

NWU can beat us every single year for the rest of the history of humankind, and Iowa will still finish the vast majority of its seasons as the superior program. They can have that win in 2009, and we’ll take the Orange Bowl.
 
They can have last year’s win, we’ll take the Insight Bowl win.

And, frankly, they could have won this year, and Iowa will still go to, and win, a quality bowl game against a quality opponent, and NWU will go to no bowl game.

A man may leave Iowa, but Iowa never leaves a man.

by hawkeyeinstl on Oct 16, 2011 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Michigan also beat MSU

except that the refs blew it by only ticketing MSU for 124 free penalty yards.

Memo to fan: in any game, if you just take away 10 plays in any game, you’re undefeated!

We play tackle football.

by Bellanca on Oct 17, 2011 7:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

This might be the most brilliant troll post EVER

in the entire history of the internet.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Oct 17, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I will say this about Iowa

they are the most dangerous team in the nation after they get the INT. Look at the pair of Hyde INT return for TDs last year, and the two long INTs this year. the defense is blocking for the runner, as if the D actually turns into a legit running offense, and every single guy goes out and gets key blocks.

if Iowa gets the INT on you, and the WR doesn’t get him down right away, your in big trouble. im looking at you Indiana, Minnesota, Michigan and Nebraska.

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by justsomehawkeyefan on Oct 16, 2011 10:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Never out of it

If there’s one thing we should have all learned about Iowa over the last 3 years it’s that we’re NEVER out of a game. Look at UNI, Michigan State, and Indiana in 2009. Mizzou last year. Look at Pitt this year.

Never give up on this team.

A man may leave Iowa, but Iowa never leaves a man.

by hawkeyeinstl on Oct 16, 2011 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Iowa has returned INTs for TDs:

2008: 1 against Minnesota (Spievey, IIRC)
2009: 1 against Indiana (Sash’s pick-6 that bounced off of 4 different players before landing in his hands)
2010: 4. Binns (?) against Arizona, Prater against PSU, Sash/Hyde against MSU and Hyde against Mizzou in the bowl game.
2011: 2…so far. Prater vs Tennessee Tech and Miller vs Northwestern

The Indiana, Arizona, Michigan State, Missouri and Northwestern pick-6s were all meaningful in that the first help spark the team and the crowd, the second actually gave us the lead before we blew it, the MSU one kind of helped break Michigan State’s back early, and the Mizzou one gave us the late lead. And then there’s obviously the Northwestern one this year.

Our best year for INTs was 2008, when we had 23. That number’s gone down, but last year, 21% of the passes we picked off went back for TDs.

by blkngld12 on Oct 17, 2011 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Interestingly, the Arizona game is the only game there that we lost, too.

So scoring defensive TDs usually = Iowa win.

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by RossWB on Oct 17, 2011 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm going to go out on a limb and say

scoring defensive TDs usually equals a win for whatever team scores them in the NCAA and NFL. Rick sixes aside.

by PackerHawk on Oct 17, 2011 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

That seems likely, yeah.

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by RossWB on Oct 17, 2011 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

I spent far too much time googling this with no good results

Found a bunch of individual teams in NFL and NCAA that had their records with Defensive TDs, but nothing remotely compiled. Those ranges were in the 70%-90% range for individual teams, and 80% sounds like a good guess to me.

So we might be slightly ahead of the expected win%, but probably not statistically significantly so.

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by therealCatnuts on Oct 17, 2011 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

O-line

No sacks. Plenty of time for Vandy. Few penalities. Plenty of holes for Coker.

by JHebz on Oct 16, 2011 10:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Excellent point... they never seemed to panic either...

OTOH, jNWU’s pathetic defense is such that even when we brain farted a few times we continued to move the ball for the most part.

Never *question* Bruce Dickinson!

by The Bird Cult on Oct 16, 2011 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was really surprised when they said the jNWU DT was playing with a broken hand.

Functioning hands are pretty valuable in football, particularly in the push-pull of line play.

"Let me finish or I will hammerpunch your clavicle." -Steve Youngblood

by SomeJerkPoster on Oct 16, 2011 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

If we think we are thin, jNWU is far more thin that we are

Look at what happened when Persa was injured last year… glug glug glug down the drain. As much as I would hate to see JVB go down with injury, I’m a lot less worried if we lose our # 1 QB than I would be with a team like Northwestern. As I’ve posted elsewhere in this thread, they’ve very much borrowed Hayden’s “Fuck you, we’re Iowa, no one respects us” attitude and I think they continue to view every game as a constant battle for respect, and they play like that, which is why we are scratching our heads when they beat us. They treat every game like Iowa State treats us – its the Game of the Year as far as they are concerned given their past history as a program.

They may not be winning bowl games but they are getting to them; moreover, they are erasing – bit by bit – the idea that Northwestern is a scrimmage for whomever they are playing except for other conference bottom dwellers.

Never *question* Bruce Dickinson!

by The Bird Cult on Oct 16, 2011 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

True -- but it was jNW.

Genghis Khan and his Spartans were seen kicking up dust on the eastern frontier.

We play tackle football.

by Bellanca on Oct 17, 2011 7:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

True -- but it was jNW.

Genghis Khan and his Spartans were seen kicking up dust on the eastern frontier.

We play tackle football.

by Bellanca on Oct 17, 2011 7:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

No need to worry

there’s NO WAY he can control that much territory before he’s a threat to us, said the confident Caliph of Baghdad.

Relatedly, Dantonio would not suspend a MSU player for killing anyone taller than a wagon wheel, he’d just give him a stern talking-to on the sideline.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Oct 17, 2011 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey midget genocide is a serious, serious offense

Which is why Dantonio loves it.

Never *question* Bruce Dickinson!

by The Bird Cult on Oct 17, 2011 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok. Some points after I rewatched

1) Prater needs to be reminded that he’s a cornerback and not a linebacker. He’s getting caught looking into the back field WAY to much for a guy who wants to get drafted.

2) Hyde makes pretty interceptions, but his tackling could use some coaching up.

3) The long run up the middle that had KMM coming across in a fake reverse – that would have been a big gain for KMM, too. We’ll be seeing that one again.

4) The picture BTN had up of Marvin was decidedly NOT Marvin.

5) All hail the return of the pass to the fullback. But more importantly, hail the return of Brad Rogers.

6) The quick screen passes out to Davis and KMM (though his was dropped or off target) were nice to see. Felt like a wrinkle of a mature offense.

7) I think we’ve decided or figured out that the tight ends suck at catching this year, so they were not part of the game plan. Thank god.

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by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Oct 16, 2011 11:12 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm not sure about #7

Yes, the TEs have dropped some very catchable passes and may not be clearing on their routes sufficiently, but there is something more going on. with Vandenberg we have vastly reduced the play action pass of the Stanzi years. With Stanzi we often bootlegged as he was almost a better QB on the run than stationary. That brought the TEs in play a lot. With Vandenberg we almost never do it. We did it for the win on Saturday and I can see why it was so effective, because we’ve abandoned it the past three games. I also think it apropos he did not throw it, because the kid is not accurate on the run. The TEs thus are being asked to stay in more on full protect packages and when they do go into passing routes they are being a bit ignored by Vandenberg because of a) he likes to to the crossing routes with the Wr or vertical with the WR. What you see little of is the pass to the squatting WR or TE. It’s very much a shift in philosophy (may be too strong a word) with the passing game. In fact, I think we are in the middle of these growing pains. If teams take away the deep stuff, Vandenberg is still learning to throw the seam pass over the middle. I’m not sure, but ALL of his interceptions might be on that pass.

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by StoopsMyAss on Oct 17, 2011 7:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

#3

we saw that play A LOT during the game. They ran it about 3-4 times. The last time, jNW finally wised up and ignored the potential end-around, and stuffed Coker for no gain or a short loss. Which means we will be seeing it again (and probably far too often)

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Oct 17, 2011 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

And on #6

they weren’t bad calls, but they shouldn’t have been called back-to-back. And VDB has to be a lot more accurate on them

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by HoyaGoon on Oct 17, 2011 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Like it

I liked those calls. At least twice it froze the OLB and kept him from crashing. Besides it makes future opponents prep for this.

by JHebz on Oct 18, 2011 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

ya know guys, if you take away all of Iowa's points, we lost this game by 31

are we really ok with losing by 31 points? are we?!?!

fire Ferentz now

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by justsomehawkeyefan on Oct 16, 2011 11:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Also

in play 23*, Ferentz called a run off right tackle, when clearly there was more room to run off left tackle.

FIRE FERENTZ NOW!

*Plz don’t look that up stats idiots. I am joking.

by TangerinePony on Oct 17, 2011 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Punting from the opponents <40 yard line

Seriously. How many of those were there this weekend? I think it happened in every B1G game, no?

by blkngld12 on Oct 17, 2011 1:54 AM CDT reply actions  

A quick check indicates that...

PSU-OMHR: Yes.
Penn State punted from the Purdue 40 (touchback).
Purdue was better. They punted from the PSU 46 (pinned to the 8yd line)

Michigan-MSU: Yes.
Michigan punted from the MSU side of the field, 6 or 7 times, pinning MSU deep most of the time.
MSU punted from the Michigan side of the field once, I think, but outside of the 40 yard line.

Illinois-tOSU: Yes.
Illinois punted from the tOSU 30, and had a couple from right around the tOSU 40.
Ohio State punted once from in-or-around the Illinois 30, I think.

Wisconsin-Indiana: Don’t think so. Most of the punts were from around midfield, if not on a teams own side of the field. Of course, you had that very…“special”…punt by the Indiana punter…

Northwestern-Iowa: Yes.
jNW punted from our 34 yard line for the touchback.
We punted from the Northwestern 46 for a touchback.

by blkngld12 on Oct 17, 2011 2:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Big Ten football: no balls, but lots of punts!

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by RossWB on Oct 17, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hey, conservative football is how you win games!

(don’t look at our bowl records, thank you)

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by therealCatnuts on Oct 17, 2011 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hey overgeneralizing a whole conference as conservative because the top schools are is fun!

I think that the teams with the worst bowl records are the most aggressive teams in the last decade. jNW? Not really conservative. Purdue? Not so much. Indiana, Minnesota (I think they have both reached and lost bowl games in the past decade)? Not “conservative”. RichRodMich? Bwahah. MSU? Cuhrazy coaches. Illinois? The Zooker laughs at this “conservative” notion.

Basically, you have a conference labeled conservative because of JoePa, WI, Tressel, Carr, and Ferentz. The best programs in the conference but probably programs that account for more of the bowl wins than losses.

by PackerHawk on Oct 17, 2011 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Stop taking stupid jokes so literally!

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by therealCatnuts on Oct 17, 2011 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

PUNTING IS WINNING

Never *question* Bruce Dickinson!

by The Bird Cult on Oct 17, 2011 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

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