The Day Iowa Became A Better Coaching Job Than Michigan
It might be true that not a lot of people would rush to buy the notion that coaching football at the State University of Iowa is a more desirable job today than coaching football at the University of Michigan. It's a shame they think that too, because just as past and future collide into this thing called the present, so too does fantasy and reality collide, and that thing is called Michigan Football.
Michigan fired Richard Rodriguez today, and it was a reasonable act, but while the awkward West Virginian is gone from the Michigan program, the troubles are not. Fantasy is fading from Old Blue and reality is quickly rearranging the furniture. Expect, in other words, a long stay. The world of college football is not immune to the forces that affect culture more broadly, and when heart of your business centers on the whims of college-aged kids, those forces become downright volatile. It is a well worn truth that football coaches don't like the new fangled world. They'll tell you they wouldn't know a facebook from a twitter while holding court on the pageantry and majesty of their program's history and reputation behind a podium while guys with no-iron pants scribble in lined notepads and swap out cassettes from their tape recorders. It makes sense really because social media is unforgivingly immediate and thus uncontrollable. But that stuff is the air the typical recruit breathes.
The youth of America have always had short attention spans, but it is ever-shortening and will continue to get shorter by the technological revolutionary nanosecond. College coaches and athletic directors try to turn away from the phenomenon, as if shielding their eyes from the sun, but they do so at their peril. Relevancy with today's high school football savant is measured not in how many wins you have all-time or in how many of your coaches are in the College Football Hall of Fame, or how big your stadium is (to a 17-year old, a television audience is the real audience anyway) or what conference you play in and how many of its titles you own and so forth. To use a cliché, college football is a shotgun wedding where the exchange of vows asks what have you done for me lately.
To a high school football player the next great football powerhouse, check that, the current college football powerhouse is Oregon. Why? It's not because they are intertwined with and funded by an "it" company that has probably sold an athletic product to every high school players alive, nor is it because they play a fashion-forward style of football that appeals to the hyper-hormonal up and comer. Nope, it's because they win. The other stuff is recognized because of that fact, and without that fact they're just a school in a rainy town with cool uniforms. ![]()
The mistake Michigan made is that tripped and fell over its feelings of inadequacy, and they may not be able to get back up until they get back to the future on some things. They were humming along near the top of the Big Ten as recently as four years ago, flanking but slightly and securely behind Ohio State. They were going to BCS games, recruiting NFL bound quarterbacks, winning hearts and minds, and firmly situated in every discussion by the media as one of the elite teams. Then they ignored their manicured privilege, built up over years and years, and instead focused on their recent slide into the shadows of Columbus, Ohio and panicked. We're Michigan they thought, we deserve better and that somehow led them to Rich Rodriguez. Well, it has failed; in fact, it failed before it even got started. That's what the Athletic Director said today. "I don't think Rich Rodriguez has had a peaceful night sleep since he arrived in Ann Arbor," said Brandon. "I think that his three years here ... can somewhat be defined as three years of turmoil. It seems like it was one thing after another." Now they have a program in tatters, easily years away from winning big.
I would guess the average high school recruit looks at Michigan football in much the same way the average high school basketball player looks at the Fab Five: they don't. Okay, maybe that's hyperbole. Maybe. But just as Michigan's relevancy in basketball disappeared in a haze of smoke, called Brian Ellerbe, their football program is doing the same. It may not last forever but it will last for a while at least.
If you held the Iowa football program up to the light next to the Michigan program of today you will see a program that, I believe, and I believe most prospective coaches would believe, is a more desirable place to coach. I won't drone on about the irony of that given that the typical U of M fan was appalled at the notion of Kirk Ferentz being a candidate for their precious head coaching vacancy after they flushed Lloyd Carr. Coaches know though. They know where a good jobs are and where the good jobs were but are no longer. Fans and old media might think Michigan is hallowed ground, but today it's no more hallowed than those of Mississippi State to a high school senior.
We all know that Iowa can match any salary that Michigan can offer. So money, which used to be a major point of differentiation when it came to wooing a coach, is a non-factor. Facilities, which are basic requirements in luring a quality coach, at Iowa are already good and dramatically improving and will in all likelihood be superior to Michigan's facilities within 2 or 3 years.
But, really, coaching at Iowa can compare with being head man at Michigan? Think about it, If you are a hot coach you take a new job because you can win there of course, but at a greater level than where you are presently I would think. You also want to go to a program where you can win fairly soon, because new coaches are always on a short leash no matter how well received they were when hired. This reveals another problem that the once mighty Wolverines have right now.
Michigan is saddled with mediocre, if not awkward, personnel. The players on Michigan's roster, particularly on the offensive side of the ball, do not seem obviously translatable to any other scheme than they were recruited to play. In most cases, a new coach would require a new scheme. A roster overhaul would then be required for almost any new coach who takes over that program. Whereas Iowa has a roster that is filled with players that can best be described as malleable. As an example, if a coach were to want to install the ever-popular pass-spread offense at Iowa tomorrow he would have immediately, a QB that was one of the more highly prized QB recruits for that style of offense from two years ago in A.J. Derby. That is a small, but meaningful example.
Michigan is apparently bullied by a rotund, impatient, fickle alumni and fan base that will always be less controllable or mollifiable than the Iowa fan base. Any fan base that calls for the head of a coach the minute he goes 9-4 and wins the Capital One Bowl against an SEC power, and this following an 11-2 season that included a BCS bid to the Rose Bowl, is delusional. That was Lloyd Carr's most recent accomplishments, and he had just recruited Ryan Mallet, a hot prospect, but that still was not adequate proof that he was leveraging Michigan's national brand. So, alas, it did not matter that he also coached the team to a National Championship in his tenure. He was just not good, enough.
After running Lloyd Carr out of town, they found out that coaching prospects were not in such a hurry to follow -up his record. If Lloyd Carr and his Rose Bowl/BCS bid and hot recruiting and fresh bowl victory over the SEC were not good enough then just maybe nothing would ever be good enough. Well, short of winning National Championships. Wait, Lloyd did that too. Remember this, Greg Schiano, let me repeat that, Greg Schiano decided that Rutgers offered more long-term promise than did Michigan. He turned them down, with Ryan Mallet on the roster. Alum Les "LSU Fans Wish I Were Nick Saban" Miles decided he had more long-term promise in the vacillating confines of Baton Rouge than in Ann Arbor. Not good. Yes, Rich Rod was not in the original plans. But we're Michigan!
Today things are tough for Michigan. They are coachless and may not have an exit strategy. Reports are that hot coaches still are not dropping everything to interview. The truth is that Michigan is no better destination than Iowa. In fact, it might be worse than Iowa. It is a "once was" program that believes in all its heart it is a "now" program. But thousands of high school recruits know better. They just saw Mississippi State bury the Wolverines on national television without the use kryptonite or even a complex offensive scheme, just better players playing better football. Recruits know what's what; they know they don't need to go to Michigan to play on national TV or to be drafted into the NFL. They don't need to go to Michigan to play live in front of thousands of people either. And they know that they don't need to go to Michigan to play at a school that has a great reputation for academics.
Hell, they can do all that at Stanford, or even Iowa.
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Be careful what you wish for, sports fans.
The ousting of Lloyd Carr is a classic example of this, on a par with what we Hawkeye fans did in rejecting Dr. Tom Davis’ win a tournament game 3 of every 4 seasons approach. Look at Iowa basketball 12 years later and Michigan only 3. Makes me reevaluate my appreciation for Ferentz, even if he is an old fuddy duddy like Carr was. Our shitty let down year was 8 wins. Hell yeah!
by kingsbury_from_deep on Jan 5, 2011 5:20 PM CST reply actions
Well, Brandon didn’t wait a year to look for a new coach, thereby killing recruiting.
But he did hire Rodriguez.
"They're not people, James Ingram. They're Jimmy Buffett fans."
by SomeJerkPoster on Jan 5, 2011 5:44 PM CST up reply actions
Brandon did not hire RR, Bill Martin did. That is part of their problem.
But Brandon definitely owns the outcome now.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
Or the ouster of Frank Solich at Nebraska.
Their reward? The Callahan years.
I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left-hand side.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.
Exactly what I was thinking.
Nebraska finished 10-3 in 2003 under Solich and they canned him, the program plummeted. Very much mirrors the Carr release. Only now is the program recovering, 7 years later. Carr was released in ‘07. Granted, it’s only an N of 1, but should Michigan follow a similar track, they’ve got 4 more years before they return to any semblance of respectability.
I won't rumor monger (fully)
but there were allegedly issues with Solich’s personal life that impacted that decision. That being said, the parallels with Michigan are pretty striking.
he has had a DUI in Athens
akin me thinks to you OWI
but i was once of the opinion
that everyone in Athens was living under the influence
but thir football program
once the joke of Ohio
(and 10 to OU and you get their football record 0-10)
and their attendance is decent
but it does freak many of the locals out
he is paid a million a year
I don't intend to upset folks with the way I write it just happens,,,
You're on to something
but I’m not sure the situation will look quite as dire about ten years from now. These are definitely dark times for Go Blue, but I’m not hearing the death knell like every one else. The next two years are definitely going to be transitional, but the fact remains that they still have one of the most loyal fan bases in college football, some of the best facilities you will ever see in college sports and the prospects of having a team that can be known as the saviors of the program. If they hire the right man (which is what this really comes down to), I can see them coming back to top of the B1G in shorter time than most think. The years of Carr and Schembechler will probably never be matched again, but there’s no way there isn’t a coach out there willing to put his neck on the line to prove that prognostication wrong.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jan 5, 2011 5:30 PM CST reply actions
But you're wrong. They DON'T have a loyal fan base in college football
This is part of SMA’s point as well, I think.
They are rabid and fickle. They got sick of supporting a winning Carr, because he kept losing in Columbus. They demanded something new, and BM gave them Rich Rod. The day he was hired, people were already calling for their head.
I went to Rich Rod’s first MSU game at the Big House, and one of the more common shirts I saw being worn by UM students was a blue and gold shirt saying “WORST SEASON EVER”
They are not loyal. They want only winning through Schembechlerball and national championships and wins over OSU, and nothing more. That’s as far as their loyalty goes.
"This is an easy choice- feral pigs plus land mines equals random, airborne bacon." - blanx73
by The Ghost of John Hannah on Jan 6, 2011 8:12 AM CST up reply actions
*his head
Typing fail
"This is an easy choice- feral pigs plus land mines equals random, airborne bacon." - blanx73
by The Ghost of John Hannah on Jan 6, 2011 8:13 AM CST up reply actions
Bull.
Ferentz would have been gone after year 3 in Michigan. And if not, definitely since then, considering Iowa has not gone to or won a Rose Bowl or even really sniffed a national championship.
Iowa fans are much more realistic than Michigan fans. If anything, maybe TOO much.
Why isn't Tom Davis coaching at Iowa right now?
I know you were here during football season. Don’t pretend as though coaches who have taken this program to incredibly high heights haven’t had their jobs called for by more than a few people. Considering that, if anything, BHGP is an unusually level-headed collection of fans, I would say that describing the Iowa fan base as fickle is appropriate. Also, this isn’t the first time that Ferentz and his coaching staff have taken heat from Iowa fans.
The expectations might not be as high as they are at Michigan but, make no mistake, they are unreasonable at times and when they’re not met many of our fans turn fickle. In football the last two coaches have been able to weather the storms but if you look at the basketball program you’ll see it clear as day.
The only time since 2001 that Ferentz's job has really been under any kind of significant fire was 2007.
When we were mired in mediocrity on the field and embroiled in horrifying scandals off the field. And even then the talk to push Ferentz out the door was nothing compared to what it would have been like at a place like Michigan.
Fans were disgruntled and disappointed this year (understandably so), but I don’t think there was ever a really massive feeling that Ferentz should go.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
You're right.
We’re not as bad as Michigan. I do believe that we’re cut from the same cloth, though. If we had the history and tradition that Michigan has had we would absolutely be at the same level as them. Did you notice an increased intensity in the “outrage” surrounding this coaching staff this year? Why do you suppose that was?
Not very many people were calling for Ferentz’s firing (but some were and it wasn’t miniscule) however both of his coordinators were most definitely called for by more than a few. Hell, many of our fans have already turned into spoiled little children with regard to our defense. We were, what, 7th in the nation in total defense this year? Yet, our defense is outdated and has finally been figured out by everyone in the Big Ten and there’s no way we’ll be able to stop the spread offense with this scheme and these types of players. We’ll just never be able to recruit LBs who can cover well enough for this system. We’re doomed.
Like I said, Ferentz has weathered the storm and will probably continue to do so because he is, IMO, the best coach in the country and perfectly suited for this job. However, for anyone to think that Iowa fans are mostly above the fray of fanbases who are rabid and fickle is absurd. We just haven’t yet built up the expectations to be as bad as Nebraska, Michigan or Notre Dame.
There is a lot of truth in this
When Iowa made a coaching change away from Fry, it had been almost a decade since Iowa had appeared in a BCS-level bowl and they had not finished with fewer than 2 conference losses in the same time period.
I have a feeling that if Kirk took an NFL job next year, the next coach would not be permitted to go 1-10, 3-9 and 7-5 as Kirk was allowed to do.
by JSB on Jan 6, 2011 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
I 100 percent agree Iowa's fanbase, like others, has a large crybaby contingent
That said, in matters of degree, Iowa is likely one of the LEAST difficult places to coach in college football.
The media here is very conservative and cautious of losing access, so isn’t super aggressive.
Many in the fanbase remember Iowa absolutely sucking, and are happy with decent seasons and mid-level bowls.
And finally, I think many Iowa fans DID learn from the Davis debacle to be very careful what you wish for.
So, yeah, lots of crybabies. But still better than most, IMO.
To make Iowa a top-notch job.....
Kirk needs to be more of a player on the national recruiting stage. If Kirk can start bringing in top 20 classes on a regular basis, there is no reason Iowa can’t win big consistently.
by JSB on Jan 6, 2011 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
Learned from the Davis debacle so much that they ran out Alford and Lickliter?
Like I said, we’ve had two extraordinary coaches in football but the fanbase in basketball is virtually the same as it is in basketball and that’s where they’ve shown their true colors. It’s not everyone but it’s a similar percentage of the fanbase to anywhere else.
Apples to oranges
Davis had his teams in the NCAA tournament regularly and never lost a first round game.
Alford barely got there – barring a Big 10 tournament miracle – and usually got bounced out quickly thereafter. Lickliter just took a bad team and made it worse.
Hard to argue they didn’t deserve what they got (or ran from, in Alford’s case) whereas one could make a very compelling case for retaining Davis.
Davis also did have a convict like Pierre Pierce on the roster
by JSB on Jan 6, 2011 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
By the way
a convict refers to someone who has been convicted of a crime. While PP plead guilty to a lesser charge in order to make the whole ordeal go away he was not convicted of the crime you’re referring to. I’d rather not hear anyone argue that they know the facts of this case because they don’t.
Once he fucked up again he got a quick trigger pulled on him, as he should have.
I wasn't trying to start a battle
But, if he plead guilty to a lesser crime, wouldn’t that make him a convict?
by JSB on Jan 6, 2011 5:00 PM CST up reply actions
Is speeding a misdemeanor?
Let’s not pretend that it was no big deal.
by JSB on Jan 6, 2011 5:33 PM CST up reply actions
Good point.
I’m done arguing this. I don’t have a problem with the way he was handled by the university. Apparently you do. That’s cool with me.
I don't know about the situation to say whether it was handled poorly
I do know that Pierce had a bad reputation in high school, he went to a high school in my area and played against my team.
The fact that he got into even more trouble several years later makes it look bad for the University. Alford made a judgment call as to whether or not to support Pierce, and Pierce burned him. Regardless of how you think it was handled, it ended up as a black mark on Alford’s record.
by JSB on Jan 6, 2011 5:40 PM CST up reply actions
Let me get this straight.
The situation surrounding Lloyd Carr wasn’t too far from that of Tom Davis.
The next coach in both instances came in and couldn’t even perform as well as the previous one.
Michigan’s fanbase called for, and got, a firing whereas ours just called for one and bitched long enough that finally the coach left.
So the main difference is that our AD was more willing to stand behind his coach and that Michigan has yet to fire the 2nd coach following Carr.
@HawkCP
I feel that Tom Davis got a raw deal, as well. But, he was let go because Iowa hadn’t won a conference title in 20 years (about 13 of which were his). He never made a final four (did make the Elite 8 with “Raveling’s recruits.”) And aside from that Elite 8, they “only” made 2 Sweet 16s.
Also, the best in-state recruits were starting to go to Kansas.
I think Davis should have been kept, but his situation and that of Lloyd Carr are not really close.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 6, 2011 10:27 PM CST up reply actions
Well...
If we had the history and tradition that Michigan has had we would absolutely be at the same level as them.
Probably, but not many schools have the history and tradition of Michigan (and most will never get there, including Iowa, at least not in our lifetimes), so that’s kind of a moot point.
Did you notice an increased intensity in the "outrage" surrounding this coaching staff this year? Why do you suppose that was?
Expectations, which were a somewhat unique factor this season created by recent success (11-2, Orange Bowl), a lot of returning starters, and a favorable schedule. In the last decade, there have been only two times when expectations for Iowa football were that high — 2005 and this year, probably. You could probably count on one hand the number of times the expectations have been that high here in the last thirty years. By and large, expectations here are much more modest; whether or not that’s a good thing is an entirely separate argument. You can probably count on one hand the number of seasons in the last thirty when Michigan fans DIDN’T expect 10+ wins and a national title run.
Not very many people were calling for Ferentz’s firing (but some were and it wasn’t miniscule) however both of his coordinators were most definitely called for by more than a few.
KOK, sure, but it’s been that way for for most of the past decade. He’s never going to stop being a polarizing figure unless we start averaging 30+ ppg and finishing in the top half in the Big Ten in offensive stats on a regular basis. I think with Norm it was more of an uncertainty about the future than it was calling for him to be fired. Yes, there was some consternation over the ability (or inability) of his defenses to defend the spread, but that also reeked of commentary from a vocal minority.
However, for anyone to think that Iowa fans are mostly above the fray of fanbases who are rabid and fickle is absurd. We just haven’t yet built up the expectations to be as bad as Nebraska, Michigan or Notre Dame.
Well, that’s kind of the point, no? We don’t have those expectations on a regular basis, so we’re not as insufferable as those other fanbases. If we did, there’s no way Ferentz could have survived some of the years he’s survived. In the meantimes, there certainly IS less pressure from fans/media here than at those other institutions.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I don’t believe the initial point is moot. The fact is that history and tradition brings with it expectations and we have proven that we, just like every other fan base, are constantly trying to raise expectations and thus increase the pressure being put on the coaches.
You have succeeded in proving that expectations haven’t always been very high at Iowa but that they are becoming increasingly higher under Ferentz. Likewise, the pressure on Ferentz has been getting increasingly higher since he’s been here. How many times did I have to hear how much Ferentz makes this year? How many times was Fry’s salary ever brought up?
KOK, sure, but it’s been that way for for most of the past decade. He’s never going to stop being a polarizing figure unless we start averaging 30+ ppg
A reasonable person should understand that this just isn’t going to happen consistently under Kirk Ferentz. Yet, KOK’s job is constantly called for nonetheless. Fickle, check. Rabid, check.
The consternation over Norm has been about a lot more than his ability (or inability) to defend the spread. For anyone to claim that there isn’t a very loud majority of the Iowa fan base constantly bitching about Norm’s propensity to not blitz, is absurd.
Your final point mirrors mine to an extent. The only reason our fans haven’t run Ferentz out yet is because he was the bringer of the expectations. It will reach a point where he will be a casualty to his own success. That may be years away but we’re never more than a few years form that point at any given moment. There is considerably less pressure from media here than other schools but I think it’s similar to most schools in similar predicaments. I can’t imagine that the media in areas with similar demographics are much different.
I have no idea what you're even trying to argue any more - this conversation is asinine.
Are you saying that Iowa fans COULD become as bad as Michigan fans? OK, sure, given time I’d agree with that. If you’re saying that Iowa fans are no different than Michigan fans now, I couldn’t disagree more. If you really think a significant element outside of the tinfoil hat brigade was calling for KF’s head after this year, you’re nuts.
I also think you’re failing to take into account the fact that modern society (and the internet in particular) allows minority opinions to be loudly voiced. Some comments on a Gazoo article or a thread on Hawkeye Nation is not indicative of the entire fanbase.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
How about this
All fanbases, including Iowa, are as rabid and fickle as their expectations allow them to be. There is no non-rabid, non-fickle fanbase.
I think that a significant element of the fanbase is constantly bitching about someone or something and it’s mostly irrational. I sat right behind the Iowa bench during the Ohio State game this year and listened to a number of people berate Ricky Stanzi while he was standing right in front of them. Just another example or our wonderful fans.
I’m not particularly dogging Iowa fans. I think most fanbases are similar. It’s just that I don’t think we can claim to be, as a fanbase, any better than others in regard to being rabid and fickle (those words come from the original post that I responded to).
I can get behind that, I suppose.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Fun Hawkeye Nation story
Had a guy swear up and down tonight that Prater was leaving because of something he had read on HN this morning. I pulled up Prater’s Twitter and showed him the post from this evening stating he was still weighing his options. Made me glad to not be a HN reader.
Yeah
Schembechler was never under fire because of all those zero national championships and 2 Rose Bowls that he won.
by JSB on Jan 6, 2011 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
And, in fairness...
during Schembechler’s days, there was no national title game (that would be considered better than a Rose Bowl?) and no way for a Big Ten team to make a Sugar, or Orange, or Fiesta.
He may not be a clutch guy, but his opportunities weren’t exactly as great as they would be today.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 6, 2011 10:30 PM CST up reply actions
I would agree with that except....
Schembechler had a history of choking in big games, including the Rose Bowl. In
1971 had a shot to win it all, but lost the Rose Bowl. He was after all 2-7 in Rose Bowls.
USC and Ohio State played under the same restrictions during those years and won national titles.
Schembechler’s greatness was that you could set a clock to him being 10-2. He just never broke over the hump.
we used to say
schembechler’s wife
served him cereal on a plate
because if he put it in a bowl
he would loose it
then OSU fans stole it
and used it with cooper
I don't intend to upset folks with the way I write it just happens,,,
here is my point...
The years of Carr and Schembechler will probably never be matched again
But since the fans think that is bullshit, only an unproven coach will ever sign on with Michigan. That is my thought.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Yeah.
I was sort of going off on a tangent, but I agree with that. It’s gonna be interesting, and I definitely could be wrong, but I think they’ll get their guy, whoever that may be.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jan 5, 2011 5:39 PM CST up reply actions
They just got beat by 38 by a 38 year-old, second-year coach at Mississippi State.
That would be … Mississippi State. After 30 days of prep.
But hey, if you look at the offensive statistics, subtract penalties, turnovers, drops and their left tackle getting pulled off the field for assault and battery, they’re top 5, easy.
RR’s offense never worked against anyone who played assignment football, and as each successful defense of it made its way onto tape, it just got harder and harder for them. The problem they have, though, is that they really believe their own BS and after they got crushed by Wisconsin, OSU and Mississippi State at least half of their fanbase is still saying to the critics “Shut up! We’re this close!”
They do think they still have the prestige that they enjoyed under Bo and Lloyd (ironic, since Lloyd wasn’t good enough for them); they can’t see that any coach worthy of their self-regard is looking at apparently feckless management by Brandon, dysfunctional fan behavior, dispirited and apparently inadequate defensive personnel, and a bunch of smurfs on offense. Maybe somebody good will do it for the money that they’re about to throw down, but I would bet not.
I think they’re going to have to hire someone no one is talking about now, somebody who comes out of the woodwork the way Ferentz did in 99. That will make the bloggers heads explode but so, apparently, do the obligations of putting together a credible football team. If Brandon is the el primo executive talent judge they think he is, he will find a good DC someplace who will work a miracle on defense (i.e., get them into the top 60 or 80 in the country) while some poor soul tries to construct a major college offense out of whatever is left after the transfers.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
Florida won two National Championship in the past 5 years
operate as the king shit in the 1st or 2nd most fertile recruiting ground on earth, and that allowed them hire an assistant with zero head coaching experience.
So the notion that Michigan is going to get a proven, hot shit head coach seems laughable to me. Yep, bring on the no-name dice roll.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
That's a little misleading though.
Muschamp has been a hot shit prospect for awhile now, and was the easy hire in terms of exciting the fan base. He was completely dialed in to be the next guy at probably the only program bigger than Florida right now, and chose to realize his future a little more quickly.
You’re definitely hinting at a good point though; in today’s college football landscape, no job is a guarantee, and when you have something good going, leaving is a foolish idea.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jan 5, 2011 6:30 PM CST up reply actions
I was typing up a reply, then my browser failed.
I agree with you, mostly, but fail to see how they’re permanently stuck in the cellar. As you mentioned below, Michigan will always be a great place to recruit, mainly because of the intangibles of the program and the wonderful facilities they have. It’s going to be a boom or bust kind of decade for them… boom being a return to respectability, even if it’s just getting back to 9 wins or so, bust being a seemingly endless cycle of trying to figure out what’s wrong.
You’re absolutely right about the fan base, but that doesn’t concern me or what I’m trying to get at so much; they will hire a guy, whether it’s now or in the future, that will get them back to a place where the fans and pundits will be a least somewhat satiated. I’m not going to speculate on how this is all going to play out, but it’s going to take a coach who can look at the situation and say “how can I make the best situation out of what I’m given right now?” It probably will be a no name, and that’s fine. There are John Doe coaches that do well all the time, it’s just a matter of finding a guy with an iron hide. And I’m thinking a program as colored as Michigan will be able to do that.
By the way; is anyone else thinking Eric Campbell might be their guy?
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jan 5, 2011 6:27 PM CST up reply actions
Hahahahahahaha, reread the last two lines.
"If there's one thing Nixon is known for, it's class. Now let's cut this turd loose!"
- Richard Nixon's Head, President of Earth
by Bucketochicken on Jan 5, 2011 7:22 PM CST up reply actions
I think I get it...
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jan 5, 2011 8:36 PM CST up reply actions
Haven't really looked at the roster...
but are their offensive players really that unserviceable in other offensive schemes? It seems like Robinson is obviously out of place at QB in anything other than a some sort of spread/option attack, but you can certainly find another place for him. Their offensive line seemed pretty decent this year.
"They're not people, James Ingram. They're Jimmy Buffett fans."
You put D-Rob in the slot receiver and throw to him. A lot
But that’s a temporary fix.
I’m not sure he might not be better served by transferring to a I-AA school, piling up the receiving stats, finish his degree and get into the NFL before he gets hurt with the fucking around that’s going on at Michigan.
Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more cowbell!!
by The Bird Cult on Jan 5, 2011 6:04 PM CST up reply actions
Why is everybody so eager to make D-Rob a receiver?
When he is clearly a first rate college QB. Even if the next coach doesn’t want to run a spread, DR’s mobility is going to make him a pain in the ass to defend.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
His mobility might get used a lot in a pro-style offense, it might not
He sure as hell can’t run a spread the same way Auburn or Florida does/did, with elements of power mixed in. Running a pocket passing game is a waste of his talent. He’s a bit small, though not THAT small, right now for a Big Ten backfield (6 feet, 193, according to SBN), and I have no idea where he’d be useful on defense, so wide receiver is a natural place to put him. Guy can probably play all of the skill positions at a D-1 level, though, so I can’t say that he’d be counted out of those spots on a field.
So what if I tailgate to the NPR jazz station?
Does anyone know if Shoelace can catch?
Personally, I’d leave him at QB as long as he is healthy. They have between 15 and 18 receivers (not TEs) on the squad right now (without the incoming recruits), unless a ton of them enter the draft early.
The defense is the immediate concern. How often will you win if you can score 45 or 50 and still give up more points than that?
They will be very fortunate to get Miles, or Hoke, or Boise’s coach, or Patterson of TCU, and it will cost a lot of money (probably 4 or 5 million per or more, although Hoke may be cheaper than that). If they can’t get any of those guys, they will have to go with an unproven guy, and they will have to be patient (like, 6 or 7 seasons, not 3). And even then, they probably won’t overtake OSU for conference dominance. They will be competing with MSU, Wisky, and hopefully Iowa for the occasional conference title or share (I’d like to include PSU in this category, but I honestly have no idea where they’ll be in 5 years).
I think a small part of the reason why the DickRod experiment failed was because he was because of the cultural clash. Michigan fans don’t really want cheaters, and I don’t think they want a man with a southern or hillbilly twang to his voice. They want somebody who appreciates and wants to build on Big Blue tradition. And, if you are a smart coach, you will do so, you won’t provoke fights with your bitchy public comments (like DickRod did).
If Michigan fans thought the last 3 years were hell, they better be ready to go through it again, this time with a more positive attitude.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 5, 2011 9:50 PM CST up reply actions
I get the feeling that
If whoever Michigan hires plays solid, power football (ie, doesn’t run the spread and knows the definition of “defense” and its applications on the field) he will get at least a year, if not more, than RIchRod. The issue is that the fanbase is getting more and more impatient, though I can’t speak to whether the boosters feel the same way.
So what if I tailgate to the NPR jazz station?
Because that's the position he's going to play at the next level
He doesn’t throw well enough to be a NFL QB (nor is he big enough). He’s a Randel El type, and if Michigan is already overloaded at WR, he could immediately transfer to a top I-AA school, catch a shitload of balls and get himself ready for the NFL draft. That would be the smart thing to do. The guy has skills… transfer to Oregon, where, coupled with Kelly’s offense he could be a real nightmare for the Pac 10.
Continuing to get the shit knocked out of him being Michigan’s QB is not smart, and its not good for the Michigan program, although its great for UM’s opponents for the next couple of years.
"I'm gonna give you assholes a chance. What do you say we play a little Bangkok Rules?" ~ Snake Plissken
by The Bird Cult on Jan 6, 2011 12:29 AM CST up reply actions
Yup Robinson is fast and slim, he'll easily translate as a WR at the next level
just like Devin Hester…
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jan 6, 2011 10:06 AM CST up reply actions
Didn't Hester also play WR at the U?
I seem to remember him always being what he is now: a phenomenal return guy and average receiver.
by The Mexican't on Jan 6, 2011 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
You're being kind by calling him an "average" wideout.
In fact, the double duty was only a bust on O but made him a far less effective return specialist to boot.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jan 6, 2011 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
Which are good enough
to catch the ball and blow past any team dumb enough to kick to him.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Jan 6, 2011 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
Unfortunately
Most QB’s don’t throw arm punts. Maybe he needs TP to throw to him. Let’s be honest, his hands aren’t that good as a WR.
500 yards rec, 4 or 5 TDs
is basically a bonus for Chicago
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Jan 10, 2011 2:05 PM CST up reply actions
I've always wondered about his ability as a RB
His primary strength is his speed. What sets him apart from someone like James White at Wisconsin? Early in the season, he was BB’s answer when the defense figured out how to stop Clay’s power.
He’s a little fragile, but that’s nothing a little strength and conditioning couldn’t fix.
Or am I delusional?
"This is an easy choice- feral pigs plus land mines equals random, airborne bacon." - blanx73
by The Ghost of John Hannah on Jan 6, 2011 8:25 AM CST up reply actions
I always thought his quickness would translate well to the return game
I still think he should be returning punts and kickoffs. Whats a few more hits when you are already getting hit 50+ times a game.
While it seems that Shoelace's joints have held up...
while he runs around, changes direction, and gets tackled by DBs, I’m not sure how well he’ll hold up if he runs into a D line or a bunch of LBs, or a D Line and a bunch of LBs.
Perhaps he’d be a decent third down back, but he’s certainly not an every-down back.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 6, 2011 10:34 PM CST up reply actions
Do you think a QB who was the Heisman front"runner" a couple months ago (until Cam Newton smiled his way into america's heart).
Do you think he’s gonna want to switch positions away from QB which almost got him invited to NY a few weeks ago?
He needs to transfer to GTech, sit a year, and then be CPJ’s child-man (the opposite of man-child) for a couple years. He’d do well in the run a lot, but rarely throw scheme.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jan 6, 2011 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
negative
No way Denard could stay healthy with the pounding a triple option qb takes. Josh Nesbit was the ideal QB for that scheme because he was athletic but big enough and tough enough to take a beating.
impossible is nothing
Robinson isn't big enough, probably, for a triple-option scheme.
If GT has a strength trainer worth his salt, he can probably change that. I mean, Denard is 190-ish and Nesbitt was around 220, right? That’s surmountable.
So what if I tailgate to the NPR jazz station?
Denard is not a QB. That's why they got crushed by all the good teams. Next question.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
Who is John Galt?
"I'm gonna give you assholes a chance. What do you say we play a little Bangkok Rules?" ~ Snake Plissken
by The Bird Cult on Jan 6, 2011 10:59 PM CST up reply actions
The Michigan job definitely doesn't look too promising right now,
but I"m sure they’ll lure a big name, it is Michigan, a program with a “rich” history.
I wonder if any of these fired NFL coaches end up there…?
Right now most, most coaches would rather eat a fresh turd in the punchbowl than coach at Michigan
Look at it this way… UM may have trouble getting someone as good as Jerry Kill to coach them. And he’d probably would be a better fit for UM in its current condition than whom they’re going to end up with. They don’t need a “hot” coach, they need a rebuilding expert because I agree with SMA – its going to require a complete roster overhaul, time and patience to win again at Michigan, and its not going to be the days of old when the opposing team shits themselves and dies before the kickoff because WE’RE PLAYING MICHIGAN.
I love parity.
Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more cowbell!!
by The Bird Cult on Jan 5, 2011 6:03 PM CST up reply actions
Indiana got who?
Oh yeah, the Oklahoma OC. And a guy from Boise State as their OC.
You seriously think that Michigan is a less attractive job than Indiana? I don’t. UM’s biggest problem is they are getting into the coaching search rather late in the season.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
I pray they hire Hoke.
"The forecast is zero. And the chill factor's high."
by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2011 8:58 PM CST up reply actions
My point
was that Indiana got a fairly high profile candidate. And now way is Michigan less attractive than Indiana. The stakes are higher but how many guys with the resume to even be considered for the job have a personality that even considers that possibility of failure.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Any head coach with success and experience has friends who got their butts shot off.
Any head coach with success and experience considered RichRod a superstar three years ago.
Michigan is not a healthy place right now.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
by Bellanca on Jan 5, 2011 9:07 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
"Friends" is the key word in that sentence
It’s like the old test pilots. Sure, the other guy might have augured in, but I am a better pilot than he was. It won’t happen to me.
Michigan has the potential to get a first rate coach. It’s still a very attractive job. Whether or not they are smart enough to make the right pick is a completely different subject.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
I don't think anyone believes that coaching at Michigan is, in the abstract, a bad job
but think about it. They have no players. Not one will be drafted into the NFL this year. So they have been low on gas for a while. They have an exhausted fan base who has lost to, get this, Michigan State and Ohio State six straight times. Imagine losing to Minnesota and Iowa State for three straight years and your AD responds by starting from scratch. The Big Ten just got tougher.
Honestly, if the money is close, Pittsburgh is a better job. You can win the conference with 2 losses and play in a BCS game every year. You can recruit Penn. and Ohio and NJ. You can be your own man and the fans will love you as long as you can meet expectations every once in a while. They are coming off Walt Harris and the Stach, hard not to look good in that job.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
by StoopsMyAss on Jan 5, 2011 9:39 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
If Michigan were to hire Tom Bradley they’d at least get tackle football back.
"The forecast is zero. And the chill factor's high."
by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2011 9:41 PM CST up reply actions
Speaking of tackle football
don’t expect much of that next monday.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
I decided against watching months ago.
"The forecast is zero. And the chill factor's high."
by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2011 9:43 PM CST up reply actions
Watch
just think of it as the greatest two-hand touch IM game ever played.
by Ratface McDougal on Jan 5, 2011 9:44 PM CST up reply actions
It’s modern day SMU versus some attention-loving quacks.
I almost hope their planes crash together.
"The forecast is zero. And the chill factor's high."
by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2011 9:45 PM CST up reply actions
Quick: Is Iowa a legend or leader?
tick tock….buzzz.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Legend.
Took thirty seconds of confused stuttering for me to answer.
I eventually remembered that the Big Ten is insulting Michigan by making them a past, decaying legend rather than a new, sexy leader.
"The forecast is zero. And the chill factor's high."
by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2011 9:51 PM CST up reply actions
@Stoops
Michigan has some offensive talent, maybe not on the OL. If they get a decent coach quick, they should be able to get a couple of adequate RBs.
But yes, they absolutely must re-vamp the defense. Outside of Mike Martin, I’m not sure if any position there is safe.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 5, 2011 9:58 PM CST up reply actions
I thought the O-Line
was a bright spot for them. It’s all about defense. They probably have more raw talent than Iowa and if they can get the right coach they can be developed. It’s not like they haven’t been getting 3 and 4 star recruits the last few years.
"I don't believe in quotes" - Karl Klug
Maybe their OL was OK...
but I can’t name one of them, and I didn’t think any of them made the all-conference teams.
After further research, Molk was an all-big-ten center, and Schilling was an honorable mention at guard. So I am at least half wrong, and maybe completely wrong.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 6, 2011 10:38 PM CST up reply actions
Their OL was very good
The biggest weakness on their offense was their RBs. Actually the biggest weakness of their offense was that their defense would put them in a 3-touchdown hole and make the offense one-dimensional.
I protest
As a proud alumni of a BigTen school, OSU is the modern day SMU. Auburn is a bunch of pikers compared to that machine.
Sosa and McGwire were juiced to the gills, but I went to a bunch of Cardinals games the 66/70 year (just cause I lived in St. Louis at the time). They were great.
by Ratface McDougal on Jan 5, 2011 9:51 PM CST up reply actions
Fuck yeah, bring back the juice
I watched more baseball that year than any other year in my life.
No self-respecting man from Iowa goes anywhere without beer
by Hayden Fry's Moustache Ride on Jan 5, 2011 9:59 PM CST up reply actions
Professional baseball and Michigan football
two things that have been around since the 1880s, neither of which is in that good of shape right now.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Coaching at Pitt > Coaching at Michigan
= hilarious win.
Cats been getting hookups on tatts since back in 01. - former buckeye Antonio Pittman
At IU, they'll pee for their pants for a 7-5 season twice a decade
You talk about a NO pressure situation. If the new hire can get them in a bowl in 2-3 years – and if they had a defense they might’ve gone this year – he can punch his ticket to a much bigger gig.
"Hey! Mr. Dog! I'm in the computer!" ~ my daughter taunting the dog over Skype
by The Bird Cult on Jan 5, 2011 11:59 PM CST up reply actions
/performs NO pleasure situations
//laughs his fucking ass off
///ponders what text abbreviation would have suited better
////doesnt care
"GO HAWKS!" - only cure for Hawkeye Envy
point, to the point no fakin'
by BentNotBroken on Jan 6, 2011 12:20 AM CST up reply actions
There's a Pi analogy somewhere
About Terry Hoeppner’s brain tumor and his elusive quest to play thirteen. I’ll go with the following quote:
Something’s going on. It has to do with that number. There’s an answer in that number.
All the magazines are saying that terrible is the new horrible
Actually, SMA attention spans got shorter while you wrote this
They’re done to about .24th of a nanosecond right now. Sorry to tell you this…
Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more cowbell!!
What did you just type? I was distracted
"Hey! Mr. Dog! I'm in the computer!" ~ my daughter taunting the dog over Skype
by The Bird Cult on Jan 5, 2011 6:23 PM CST up reply actions
Well, I definitely say Snake Plisskin has EMP'ed Michigan's program for the moment.
"Hey! Mr. Dog! I'm in the computer!" ~ my daughter taunting the dog over Skype
by The Bird Cult on Jan 5, 2011 7:03 PM CST up reply actions
Oh yes.
[facing four gunmen at once]
Snake Plissken: I’m gonna give you assholes a chance. What do you say we play a little Bangkok Rules?
[picks up a tin can. The four gunmen back up and get ready]
Snake Plissken: Nobody draws until this hits the ground.
[throws the can high into the air, then pulls his revolvers and kills all four gunmen before the can lands. Can hits the ground]
Snake Plissken: Draw.
"Hey! Mr. Dog! I'm in the computer!" ~ my daughter taunting the dog over Skype
by The Bird Cult on Jan 6, 2011 12:02 AM CST up reply actions
The one hole in your thesis, I think:
The one hole in your thesis, I think, is that it remains much easier to recruit at Michigan than Iowa. Every Iowa coach, and especially Fry, has remarked on this. It’s just hard work finding, bringing, keeping the guys in Iowa City.
But what Michigan football is dealing with is a little like what Iowa basketball was dealing with the Link failure (which was really just the Tom Davis firing karmic payback). The differences, though, are notable there too: it takes more than two or three great freshmen to turn around a broken football club; all of us in Iowa knew the program was broken, and we were not running around screaming “traitor! traitor!” at anyone who said, “Shouldn’t we be scoring more than 38 per game here?”
We play tackle football, most of the time.
by Bellanca on Jan 5, 2011 6:10 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Well, and Bellanca, shit stinks
And right now, the atmosphere in Ann Arbor smells like a pig pen at high noon in July.
Michigan was having some creakiness (with parity becoming an issue, and Sweatervest’s arrival in Columbus) even during the Moeller and Carr regimes. The difference is, they were winning, and I think that camouflaged some of the problems.
Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more cowbell!!
by The Bird Cult on Jan 5, 2011 6:13 PM CST up reply actions
Well, I just disagree on the creakiness meme. That's what the bloggers said, but that was before RR took the wheels off the wagon.
Look at Lloyd’s last two years. They were very good years. They were not anomalous. He got run out of town because of Appalachian State, trouble beating OSU (so does Arkansas).
The fact is that Nick Saban lost three games this year. Teams lose games now. I’d take Alabama over Oregon, and I would hate to be Auburn next year. Nick Saban is not going to be belittled because they lost three this year.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
Good points.
I dunno. I’m not really basing my creakiness opinion on logic, its just a feeling as a football fan I’ve had (one of many feelings later to be proven wrong).
What I find almost unbelievable is how quickly the wheels not only came off, but the fact that Michigan is probably in far worse shape with the RR experiment over than if he’d never taken over in the first place. I think they probably picked the perfect person to completely screw the pooch at Meeshigan.
That said, what they probably need is to find someone just like Sweatervest at the I-AA level, that has a history of success, and hire them, because I don’t think they’re going to snatch anyone “hot” out of the current I-A ranks (unless they are prepared to really shit a lot – and I mean a lot – of money).
"Hey! Mr. Dog! I'm in the computer!" ~ my daughter taunting the dog over Skype
by The Bird Cult on Jan 5, 2011 6:26 PM CST up reply actions
One guy I think they should look at, whom they are not discussing, is Jason Garrett.
Class guy, tough guy, smart guy, organized guy. Might enjoy getting back to an academic environment.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
I think Michigan is going to have to have another mediocre run, ala Charlie Weis
to come to Jesus. As to your comment above, I think there are maybe three programs where you have a huge advantage in the MNC sweepstakes. Ohio State happens to be one of them. You still have to be a decent coach to cash in on the advantage that comes with those programs, but after that it is a crap shoot. Michigan is now officially a crap shoot school. And so is Iowa. So while Michigan can recruit better players, they are not so much better that their chances to win the Big Ten become almost to great to overcome. Yet, that fan base will not settle for Kirk Ferentz current record. Ever. They wouldn’t settle for Bret B.’s record even, and on paper he has a hell of a record. So they are in a bind. And I love it.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Wait - has ND come to Jesus yet?
Or will Petrino succeed? (They did win their bowl game, then again, they managed to kill someone in their program this year with stupidity).
I mean, if you’re gonna bring ND into this … ;)
"Hey! Mr. Dog! I'm in the computer!" ~ my daughter taunting the dog over Skype
by The Bird Cult on Jan 5, 2011 6:30 PM CST up reply actions
Notre Dame is way closer to Jesus than Michigan
;-)
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Yeah, they got that mural and statues and such
I’ll bet all goddamn Michigan has got is those neon orange graphics of Che Guevara sprayed all over Ann Arbor…

"Hey! Mr. Dog! I'm in the computer!" ~ my daughter taunting the dog over Skype
by The Bird Cult on Jan 5, 2011 6:33 PM CST up reply actions
Fuckin' Commie revolutionaries...
Another reason to hate UM.
So what if I tailgate to the NPR jazz station?
You mean Brian Kelly, right?
Interestingly, in a ‘it sucks to be them’ kind of way, UM could have hired Brian Kelly instead of RR, and boy, I bet they wish they had done so.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
Thank you Bellanca
That show you how much attention I pay to ND other than the standard Domers hate package. (bowing to your superior college football knowledge).
"Hey! Mr. Dog! I'm in the computer!" ~ my daughter taunting the dog over Skype
by The Bird Cult on Jan 5, 2011 6:40 PM CST up reply actions
Notre Dame is in much better shape now because they hired the coach that Michigan didn't want.
Relative movement and separation between the two programs will increase next fall.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
I see a major hammering put upon Michigan by ND next year
Assuming Michigan is on the schedule. This may be one time I cheer for the Domers if that is the case…
"Hey! Mr. Dog! I'm in the computer!" ~ my daughter taunting the dog over Skype
by The Bird Cult on Jan 5, 2011 6:44 PM CST up reply actions
Lots of people are going to hammer Michigan
they are (or better be) going back to square one.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
ND plays the first ever night game @ UM next season
its going to be awesomely ugly
by IrishHawkeye7 on Jan 5, 2011 7:05 PM CST up reply actions
Thus ensuring
a hammering leading to superstition about night games at Michigan. No night games will ever be played again, and Michigan will fall further into the past with recruits.
Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude
Whomever wins will BE BACK!!!!
You can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning
by The Bacon Explosion on Jan 6, 2011 8:27 AM CST up reply actions
I'm more optimistic that Arnold will play the Terminator, again, in a movie
Before we see Michigan in a BCS bowl game any time soon.
"I'm gonna give you assholes a chance. What do you say we play a little Bangkok Rules?" ~ Snake Plissken
by The Bird Cult on Jan 6, 2011 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
This is why I always pull for ND in that game
So they can be back just in time for us to beat them and steal all their “credibility” for ourselves
Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude
I'm sure as a Sparty fan
You guys feel that a couple of down decades for UM isn’t an unreasonable amount of suffering for their fans to go through.
You know, I’m getting a creepy feeling that the problems at Michigan may be a lot worse than anyone thinks with demographic shifts and the explosion of games on cable. I’m starting to think Michigan may end up with Minnesota-type problems in fielding a consistent winning team. I have no logical basis for that – just a feeling… but this could be the beginning of a long downhill slide for them.
"I'm gonna give you assholes a chance. What do you say we play a little Bangkok Rules?" ~ Snake Plissken
by The Bird Cult on Jan 6, 2011 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
Could be
but probably not. Think Notre Dame as worst case. A few decades of average while all the talking heads keep insisting that “this is the year”. They still have tons of money and that goes a long ways towards coaches, staff and facilities. And while high school kids may not consider Michigan to be an elite program right now, the name still carries weight.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
I post something related to this below
Yes, Notre Dame still has all that following and money, but it will only last so much longer. Right now, Notre Dame is saved because so many in the sports media came of age/got their when Notre Dame was a consistent national power. For them, Notre Dame WAS college football. But we’re going on 20 years since they have truly been relevant on the national stage. And, more importantly, many of those in the media that are invested emotionally in Notre Dame are retiring/dwindling. Within the next 5-10 years, you will have no one left who was in broadcasting when Notre Dame was on top, and no one who will carry the torch for them if they don’t become nationally relevant again (i.e. consisitently in the Top 10 at the END of the season). Notre Dame may become just a Catholic, better-funded version of Minnesota.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I wonder what's going on with ND's TV contract now...
I thought it was tick tocking to run out.
I just can’t see anyone investing much more – in the long term – in Domer football to broadcast it if the team is bad. Then again, people watch the Cubs year after year, so WTF do I know?
"I'm gonna give you assholes a chance. What do you say we play a little Bangkok Rules?" ~ Snake Plissken
by The Bird Cult on Jan 6, 2011 4:16 PM CST up reply actions
I believe it runs out in 2015
One of the big concerns right now is that with the NBC-Comcast merger, some of the lower profile ND games (Western Michigan etc.) will end up on Versus.
If ND ever lost it’s TV deal, it would probably have to join a conference.
by JSB on Jan 6, 2011 5:34 PM CST up reply actions
Notre Dame home games on Versus?
OH THE HUMANITY
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
by RossWB on Jan 6, 2011 7:07 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
They'll probably tape delay the game until after the Tour is over
So no worries.
"I'm gonna give you assholes a chance. What do you say we play a little Bangkok Rules?" ~ Snake Plissken
by The Bird Cult on Jan 6, 2011 7:14 PM CST up reply actions
Holy Cross used to be a national football power. You can look it up.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
So did Yale and Harvard.
And Army.
In fairness, Michigan has plenty of cash and a good conference. I don’t see them dropping past the mid-tier of the big ten unless people up there really lose their minds, and they start firing coaches every 3 years for a decade.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 6, 2011 10:43 PM CST up reply actions
Yes. The cash is the key
Spend on football program and you will be good or probably even great. A list of the top-spending teams is a list of the who’s who in CFB. This is the #1 reason a Holy Cross, Harvard, Yale, Navy, or Army could not sustain success, and the #1 reason you can expect Michigan to rebound quite well in a much quicker timeframe than most people are expecting.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Jan 7, 2011 12:09 AM CST up reply actions
There's the little issue of athletes at the service academies
actually being expected to like, go to class, be in the military and all of that good stuff and STILL find time to play football. I don’t see how they do it, honestly.
"I'm gonna give you assholes a chance. What do you say we play a little Bangkok Rules?" ~ Snake Plissken
by The Bird Cult on Jan 7, 2011 12:22 AM CST up reply actions
Air Force seems to be decent...
nearly every year.
Navy is decent about every other or every third year.
Army, not so much.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 8, 2011 1:01 AM CST up reply actions
Navy hasn't won fewer than 8 games in a year since 2002.
Air Force has been good since 2007, but endured three losing seasons in the years before that.
Navy has been the best service academy over the last decade.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Yep.
I thought Navy had only been decent for about 5 to 7 years, but I also forgot that CPJ has been at GT for at least 3 years.
Time is freaking flying.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 9, 2011 1:04 AM CST up reply actions
So was Minnesota. And Ole Miss
"I'm gonna give you assholes a chance. What do you say we play a little Bangkok Rules?" ~ Snake Plissken
by The Bird Cult on Jan 6, 2011 11:00 PM CST up reply actions
I am not a fan of Brian Kelly
he will win games and be fun to watch but he is not going to do what Ferentz has done in one aspect, beat ranked teams as an underdog. Kelly’s record and system has been horrible against top flight teams.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Isn't that a talent function?
Now he’s got the Notre Dame recruiting pipeline, which approaches OSU’s or Alabama’s.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
Maybe but I don't think so
he wants to be like Oregon’s Kelly, but he’s not quite that level coaching wise. He wants to score, score, score and I find those coaches are flawed on the defensive side. Name a defense that wants to sit on the field all damn day.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Michigans?
I couldn’t resist.
"Hey! Mr. Dog! I'm in the computer!" ~ my daughter taunting the dog over Skype
by The Bird Cult on Jan 5, 2011 6:53 PM CST up reply actions
they did get a lot of practice
I think the Orange Bowl showed that athletes alone don’t win games, or keep them close in the second half. VT has excellent athletes, Stanford had extremely good athletes that are smart with a superior coach on that night.
You can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning
by The Bacon Explosion on Jan 6, 2011 8:29 AM CST up reply actions
I think you bring up a good point about Brian Kelly
One that I think is the biggest question about him. It seems as though he is a solid coach that will be able to win at least 8-10 games a season. The question is whether he is good enough to beat the top-level BCS teams.
I can't believe no one has mentioned the obvious choice to follow up DickRod...
K.O.K.
by KinnickNorthHawk on Jan 5, 2011 11:52 PM CST up reply actions
I don't want to give too much credit to KOK...
but, with a decent staff, and some patience, I think he could keep Michigan in the middle of the Big Ten, and perhaps break through to a conference title within a decade.
I don’t think that KOK is really the dolt that so many of us (including me) make him out to be.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 6, 2011 10:46 PM CST up reply actions
I was going based on name alone
Fans could talk about the transformation during the DicRod/KOK era.
by KinnickNorthHawk on Jan 7, 2011 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
Who is this Michigan you speak of?
Do you mean Meatchicken?
You know what’s better than Meatchicken?
Some Meatchicken Steak!
Who am I kidding? Absolutely anything or anyone is better than Meatchicken or an upgraded Meatchicken Steak!
"The possibility of physical and mental collapse is now very real. No sympathy for the Devil, keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride!" HST
by Dip-Shit on Jan 5, 2011 6:13 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Everyone likes Meatloaf, don't they?
Who wouldn’t want to play for Meatloaf?

Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more cowbell!!
by The Bird Cult on Jan 5, 2011 6:15 PM CST up reply actions
And there's nothing sadder than an old B- list rock star with a blown voice
See: Alice Cooper
"Hey! Mr. Dog! I'm in the computer!" ~ my daughter taunting the dog over Skype
by The Bird Cult on Jan 5, 2011 6:17 PM CST up reply actions
Can't go wrong with this new song
“I can barely fit my dick in my pants”
"They're not people, James Ingram. They're Jimmy Buffett fans."
by SomeJerkPoster on Jan 5, 2011 6:22 PM CST up reply actions
That's awesome.
"Hey! Mr. Dog! I'm in the computer!" ~ my daughter taunting the dog over Skype
by The Bird Cult on Jan 5, 2011 6:29 PM CST up reply actions
His album art is so fucking metal
for music that so fucking isn’t.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jan 5, 2011 6:33 PM CST up reply actions
Meatloaf's music is like Boston
Overprocessed, its the musical equivalent of smearing babyshit on your body while thinking that its $100 a 3 oz antioxidant beauty stuff.
(Its late in the day, I’m struggling with good analogies here).
"Hey! Mr. Dog! I'm in the computer!" ~ my daughter taunting the dog over Skype
by The Bird Cult on Jan 5, 2011 6:35 PM CST up reply actions
What the fuck are you talking about?
That was a terrific analogy, fully equipped with baby-shit and nude imagery!
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jan 5, 2011 6:37 PM CST up reply actions
Imagine the babyshit on Meatloafs current naked body tho
"Hey! Mr. Dog! I'm in the computer!" ~ my daughter taunting the dog over Skype
by The Bird Cult on Jan 5, 2011 6:38 PM CST up reply actions
No.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jan 5, 2011 6:40 PM CST up reply actions
I'm proud that you're not going there. Yet.
"Hey! Mr. Dog! I'm in the computer!" ~ my daughter taunting the dog over Skype
by The Bird Cult on Jan 5, 2011 6:40 PM CST up reply actions
I think Boston is way better than Meatloaf.
And Alice Cooper is awesome.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 5, 2011 10:07 PM CST up reply actions
Chazz!
I knew we would find confetti
I've been in love (truly) with five women, the Spanish Republic and the 4th Infantry Division.
by sailorjerry on Jan 6, 2011 8:55 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Haha, posted too soon
Confetti and wedding rice someday. Boston is fucking amazing, simply for the fact that the incredibly crafted waves and layers of sound are all two guys who did everything 100% analog without and tempo or pitch correction.
I've been in love (truly) with five women, the Spanish Republic and the 4th Infantry Division.
by sailorjerry on Jan 6, 2011 8:57 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
One of the things I like about Boston's music...
combined with sports, was a slideshow of the old Boston Garden. Let me see if I can find it.
This might be it. I’m stuck on a computer without the newest version of flashplayer, so I can’t tell for sure:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1ue560cwa8
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 6, 2011 10:57 PM CST up reply actions
two out of three arent bad?
Lookup "idiot" in the Dictionary. Leaders and Legends from the Lamely is the def
Your comment is too far down.
I can’t tell which context I should read it in because I can’t tell to whom it replies. Shit, this guessing game is fun. Nevermind, I like this. Context is fun!
So what if I tailgate to the NPR jazz station?
BOOOO
"Hey! Mr. Dog! I'm in the computer!" ~ my daughter taunting the dog over Skype
by The Bird Cult on Jan 6, 2011 12:04 AM CST up reply actions
But Cooper has a great short game.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jan 6, 2011 10:13 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I love that he owns a bunch of golf courses now.
The scene from Wayne’s World where he explains the source of Me-Lee-Wah-Kay seems more apropos nowadays.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jan 6, 2011 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
I would do anything to play D-1
but I won’t do that.
"They're not people, James Ingram. They're Jimmy Buffett fans."
by SomeJerkPoster on Jan 5, 2011 6:20 PM CST up reply actions
BTW, is there a pool open before the mgoboard goes berserk over SMA's cheekiness in using "Iowa" and "Michigan" in the same sentence?
We play tackle football, most of the time.
that's incoherent. sorry. "... betting pool open as to when the mgoboard..."
We play tackle football, most of the time.
I'm praying they pick it up
it will be like the PSU throng…who now accept that we are equals BTW.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
And they're *nice about it - the PSU folks
"Hey! Mr. Dog! I'm in the computer!" ~ my daughter taunting the dog over Skype
by The Bird Cult on Jan 5, 2011 6:28 PM CST up reply actions
The over-under is set at 5 mL of tears.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jan 5, 2011 6:35 PM CST up reply actions
You have to wonder how much attrition Michigan is going to get hit with
Unless the AD pulls an absolute miracle hire out of his ass, I can see them losing 10-15 at least off the current roster…
"Hey! Mr. Dog! I'm in the computer!" ~ my daughter taunting the dog over Skype
by The Bird Cult on Jan 5, 2011 6:37 PM CST up reply actions
Denard says that RichRod is "his coach period".
This is liable to be a bath of blood.
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Jan 5, 2011 7:11 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Ewwwwwww.
edible chammois cream? what the hell is wrong with you?
by With Ferentz Like These... on Jan 5, 2011 11:01 PM CST up reply actions
Denard should transfer to Oregon
Can you imagine him running that offense? That would be truly fucking scary.
"Hey! Mr. Dog! I'm in the computer!" ~ my daughter taunting the dog over Skype
by The Bird Cult on Jan 6, 2011 12:05 AM CST up reply actions
Assuming you meant the menstruation pun
I’ve absolutely gotta rec that.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jan 6, 2011 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
/buys the man a cranberry juice
Cats been getting hookups on tatts since back in 01. - former buckeye Antonio Pittman
I really love that Iowa football has a consistent coaching staff
because I have so much respect for Captain Kirk Ferentz and Norm Parker. KF would never fire any honest man. I want Ferentz to become Peterno-like in that hopefully he coaches Iowa for a really really really long time.
I agree, but unfortunately Captain Kirk's already 55 years old.
And I don’t see him coaching until he croaks on the sideline like JoePa. His contract runs through 2020 or so. I’d be surprised if he’s still around after that. And I can’t see Norm coaching more than another year or 2 considering his health situation.
by DJK's bongwater on Jan 6, 2011 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
Here's a random speculation for you:
KOK gets the head job at UConn on Friday, say.
Do we hire the current tight ends coach of the New England Patriots?
We play tackle football, most of the time.
Not ready for that I don't think
but I could see him coming in at a lower level, unless his potential, as told to him by BB, is even greater within the pro game.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Is KOK *serious* a candidate
Or is this just the Internet pissing steam out all of its vents at the moment?
"Hey! Mr. Dog! I'm in the computer!" ~ my daughter taunting the dog over Skype
by The Bird Cult on Jan 5, 2011 6:45 PM CST up reply actions
Oh shit I'm in Yoda Mode Again
Is KOK a serious candidate.
"Hey! Mr. Dog! I'm in the computer!" ~ my daughter taunting the dog over Skype
by The Bird Cult on Jan 5, 2011 6:46 PM CST up reply actions
He must be, because he's too unheralded to be leaked as a promotional ploy.
Sounds to me like this year he hired an agent, who is putting him in play.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
He's not ready to be an OC, but if he's hired as a position coach, then we are seeing the table set for a transition in 10 years.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
I'm fine with that
but Kirk is not like Fry or BB, he is not a guy who grooms coaches. He is a guy who builds a little town called Securityville, and says “if you do what I ask, you can live her forever and no one will ever bother you. I promise!”
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
The coaching equivalent
of those douchebags in M. Night Shyamalan’s The Villlage.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jan 5, 2011 6:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
As you all know, I rarely question Ferentz...
but I don’t like the idea of bringing in your son, with not much experience, at anything except the ground level.
On the other hand, if Reese Morgan is closing in on retirement (he is 60), then Brian Ferentz might be a decent eventual replacement at OL coach (but I’d say he can keep getting experience at the Pats for now).
I would guess Brian is making decent bank (50k to 150k) now as a member of the Pat’s staff, and he might not leave to be a video coordinator or grad assistant at Iowa.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 5, 2011 10:17 PM CST up reply actions
Fuck.
I totally didn’t catch the subtlety there. I would think Brian would be on the short list, definitely.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jan 5, 2011 6:49 PM CST up reply actions
Jesus, I'd prefer not to go there
but I’ll play…
It would be terrifying, but I would imagine they’d go after a McDaniels-type, yes. Iowa, in my mind, is now the type of program that will always hire someone with ties to the program from now on, so the list would be rather exclusive and probably not include anyone sexy.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jan 5, 2011 6:45 PM CST up reply actions
You mean Ferentz, right?
Isn’t he like 27? Barta would have to be high on elephant tranquilizers and cocaine by the kilo to make that hire. At least half of this staff would be gone in a heartbeat, in my opinion.
So what if I tailgate to the NPR jazz station?
Whoops, I read that as KF, not KOK. My bad.
I thought you were insane. KOK is a hell of a lot more reasonable an option to be replaced by BF than KF is. That said, I really doubt it. He’s still pretty young and he doesn’t have a ton of experience. Ask me that in five years, and I’d probably say yes. As it is, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him come aboard here as a positions coach, as has been voiced above.
So what if I tailgate to the NPR jazz station?
I said that I thought Brian could be a position coach, not a replacement for KOK.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
Well, then I agree. Damn it. I don't know what happened there.
So what if I tailgate to the NPR jazz station?
Why wouldn't we do something more obvious
like bring back Chuck Long? Sure, he’s proven he’s not HC material, but it’s not like he struggled in that capacity at OU.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jan 6, 2011 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
Is there anyone committed to Iowa on the h.s. football all star game?
by stanzi's ex-girlfriend on Jan 5, 2011 6:54 PM CST reply actions
Damn, a serious question
Stop that.
"Hey! Mr. Dog! I'm in the computer!" ~ my daughter taunting the dog over Skype
by The Bird Cult on Jan 5, 2011 6:54 PM CST up reply actions
So far I haven't seen an Iowa commit, and the website sucks so I can't look it up on there either.
by stanzi's ex-girlfriend on Jan 5, 2011 7:00 PM CST up reply actions
Koundjio is playing
and Iowa is on his short list.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jan 5, 2011 7:01 PM CST up reply actions
LT.
Not sure what side he’s playing on. He’s fucking massive though.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jan 5, 2011 7:04 PM CST up reply actions
She's probably more worried about how *cute* he is dude
Since she’s looking for a 2011 football crush right now.
Does the football crush have to be a starting player, in the two-deeps, or does merely breathing, on the roster, and within pissing distance of the field on game day count?
"Hey! Mr. Dog! I'm in the computer!" ~ my daughter taunting the dog over Skype
by The Bird Cult on Jan 5, 2011 7:08 PM CST up reply actions
Oh, haven't you heard? I'm already engaged to Johnny.
Also, I like dudes who can play the game. If he’s pretty but sucks at football, I’ll move on. I’m not some dumb bitch who doesn’t know football!
by stanzi's ex-girlfriend on Jan 5, 2011 7:10 PM CST up reply actions
Oh that's SO gotta go in someone's sig line.
I’m not some dumb bitch who doesn’t know football!
"Hey! Mr. Dog! I'm in the computer!" ~ my daughter taunting the dog over Skype
by The Bird Cult on Jan 5, 2011 7:12 PM CST up reply actions
Are you calling me a dumb b!tch?
Not that you’d be wrong, I’d just like to know if that is what you’re doing.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 6, 2011 10:59 PM CST up reply actions
Well, he's the number one recruit in the country.
So he at least has that.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
No, he's not
He’s the #1 OL recruit; but the overall #1 is the DE Clowney.
/is caring, therefore creeping, WAY too much
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Jesus. Christ. He is big.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jan 5, 2011 7:12 PM CST up reply actions
He took a visit to New Mexico...
so he must me a sadist.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 5, 2011 10:20 PM CST up reply actions
It's because of Locksley
the coach at New Mexico, who was the ZOOKER’S lead recruiter, has really good ties to the DC area and is able to get a lot of talent out of there. That’s how Benn ended up at Illinois.
When it’s all said and done, I figure it’s a moot point as I am 99% sure this guy (Gruden alert!) will end up at Alabama where, it should be noted, his brother is already on the team (no word whether Kojo’s brother is just there to land Kojo which will lead to his, the brother, eventually being encouraged to transfer a la all the other Alabama oversignings.)
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Yes, it was because of Locksley.
But, there is nearly no chance that Locksley is there for 4 or 5 more years, right? Then again, if he could survive the last two years and still be coach of NM, I guess he may never get fired.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 6, 2011 11:01 PM CST up reply actions
Reminds me of the first look I got at Bulaga:
Whoa, we’re recruiting 30 year-old NFL bodies now?
We play tackle football, most of the time.
6'6" 230 I think.
Blocked in high school for Coker. Maybe Coked Out Werewolf can work some magic.
by DJK's bongwater on Jan 6, 2011 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
330*
6’6" 230 would not be big at all…
by DJK's bongwater on Jan 6, 2011 10:12 AM CST up reply actions
I just read on Hawk Central that he might not pick Iowa because he wants to play in a warm climate.
This is like last year when all the announcers keot making excuses for Forcier’s shitty ass performance because he’s “not used to cold weather.”
by stanzi's ex-girlfriend on Jan 6, 2011 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
"on Hawk Central"
there’s your first problem
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jan 6, 2011 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
I knew someone would post that. LOL.
by stanzi's ex-girlfriend on Jan 6, 2011 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
What can I say, BHGP turned me into a site-snob.
We’ve had to defend this outpost of relative rationality for a while too.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jan 6, 2011 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
Hawk Central just aggregates the content from the Press Citizen and Register.
There are certain writers there that are generally awful (coughcoughHartycoughcough), but they also employ some great ones (like Andy Hamilton).
There are far, far worse Hawkeye sites than Hawk Central.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
What's the one from the Quad Cities
It used to be really good, then the original blogger/reporter left and it went downhill fast.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
The Quad City Times?
I dunno.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
It was HawkMania.
And it is still there, but not as good as it used to be:
I can’t remember who that guy was that used to write most of the stuff on there, but he was pretty good.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 6, 2011 11:09 PM CST up reply actions
Was it Eric Page?
http://www.blackheartgoldpants.com/2007/11/9/84216/7583
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 6, 2011 11:14 PM CST up reply actions
Yes.
He went off to do his own thing and then just disappeared entirely. His solo blog never took off.
by The Mexican't on Jan 7, 2011 8:01 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, that was it
I remember reading his stuff regularly in the lead-up to the 2008 season, and early on. Then he left and the replacement never really filled the void as well. Plus, Morehouse really picked up the slack with his blog and that’s the one I’ve followed since.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
What is Morehouse's blog address?
i don't wife em...i one night em
by smokinthereiff on Jan 7, 2011 1:56 PM CST up reply actions
Clicky:
http://thegazette.com/category/blogs/on-iowa/
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Yeah, but the snide stuff you guys write aside from the actual serious commentary
The content here is MUCH better than on any of the for profit newspaper sites in Iowa. I sincerely mean that as a compliment. The fun is that we can talk FAR more smack here than we could get away with on a Register or Gazette board.
"I'm gonna give you assholes a chance. What do you say we play a little Bangkok Rules?" ~ Snake Plissken
by The Bird Cult on Jan 6, 2011 4:17 PM CST up reply actions
I have never thought we existed in competition with Hawk Central or the Gazoo.
They’re legitimate news sites; we’re not (despite what our sidebar says right now). We exist to complement them. We can do things there’s no way they could do, but they also have more access than we do and more ability to break news and such.
I don’t see the point in comparing them.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
From a news standpoint I agree
But the commentary you guys do here is much much better.
Hmmm. I think I just repeated what you said. LOL
"I'm gonna give you assholes a chance. What do you say we play a little Bangkok Rules?" ~ Snake Plissken
by The Bird Cult on Jan 6, 2011 11:08 PM CST up reply actions
And obviously, BHGP can incorporate some of the...
stuff from the mainstream media. I’d rather read “It’s Not Plagiarism If You LInk To It” than almost anything in the Iowa newspapers.
Also, I’d love to see any of the BHGP authors/moderators/editors put in a cage fight against Sean Keeler. SK doesn’t stand a chance.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 6, 2011 11:16 PM CST up reply actions
Absolutely
and that’s why this place works so well and why some of the “real” media news blogs are better, because they understand that you aren’t in competition, but rather complementary of their output. This is what has really distinguished FOTPs MasCasa and Hlas, they “get” both the humor/slant of this sight and that their position isn’t threatened by the BHGP or the internet/blogs in general. In fact, good, reliable old media access is even more necessary for blogs so they dont’ completely go off the rails into deranged fantasy/rumor-mongering.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
He's going to go to Alabama
because his brother’s already there and OMGSECBESTESTTHINGEVER!!!! in the media.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I don't pretend to have any inside track on this
but it sounds as though his coach really likes Ferentz. The other advantage that we have is that we are going after two of his teammates and already have Coker. Cyrus has gone on record in the past as saying that the fact that his brother is at Alabama will not factor into his decision at all. It’s not very hard to believe that a kid who has likely eat, slept and breathed football for a number of years would prefer a program with other guys from his high school football program than one with his brother. Again, that is pure speculation, as is pretty much everything related to recruiting.
One peculiar thing about Ferentz’s recent visit is that he is visiting Cooper at a time when Kouandijo is out of town for the Under Armour all-star game. However, Cooper and Kouandijo are taking an official visit together to Iowa City on January 21st.
Lastly, there is a relatively unheralded CB prospect from DeMatha who is strongly favoring the Hawkeyes right now over Colorado (according to Scout.com) and according to Scout has Kouandijo’s ear.
Everything I’ve heard leads me to believe that it’s down to Alabama and Iowa and it’s realistically about a 50/50 chance either way. It seems like every time I’ve heard weather get brought up it’s been some fan who is just assuming weather would be a factor. So who knows? Not me.
I've always felt there will be some SMART #1 offensive lineman...
…that will say, “Ferentz coached lines in the NFL. He’s repeatedly lauded for his ability to turn 2-stars into mid-round draft picks. What could he do with me, being so athletic and big and totally awesome?”
Add in the Coker, CB and Cooper ties, it certainly seems possible. I mean, really, why not?
Then I have dreams of repeated top o-line recruits choosing Iowa and having multiple 1st/2nd round o-liners drafted, leading to great RB totals and those top guys, and so on and so on and so on.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
That all sounds way too logical for an 18-year old
In reality he will probably get BJs from 5 co-eds at Alabama and decides he wants to go to school there.
But, yeah. One can always hope.
by JSB on Jan 6, 2011 3:23 PM CST up reply actions
Well, I was going to add "(and also a "smart" person in his year)"...
…like his coach.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Koundiajio is ridiculous
It’s impressive that Iowa is even still in it with him at this point.
by JSB on Jan 6, 2011 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
Why?
There are several logical reasons, as outlined above, for him to attend the U of I. Guess where it would be preposterous for him to go? Tick, tock. Tick, tock.
That’s right, Michigan.
Well, considering that Iowa hasn't landed a 5-star in several years
While Alabama pulls them in on a regular basis, yes it is impressive. Wisconsin also has produced good lineman, and you don’t see them in there with this kid.
by JSB on Jan 6, 2011 3:52 PM CST up reply actions
We were still on Henderson's list
until the very end last year. Rumor was that Seantrel really liked Iowa, and may have even had us as his favorite, but it was his dad that was pushing USC for the celebrity aspect.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Did he visit?
His official visits were to USC, Florida, USC, Ohio State and Notre Dame. Looks to me like he was looking for a high-profile national program.
I also don’t recall him having an Iowa hat on the podium.
by JSB on Jan 6, 2011 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
Only unofficially.
His recruitment was one big bag of worms that doesn’t really need to be reopened. It was a big spectacle and, while the kid was uber talented, it may just be for the best that he didn’t end up at Iowa. We’ve all heard the term Helicopter Parent due to Texas Tech’s little fiasco and I think that Henderson’s dad would’ve taken that to a whole new level.
The Iowa hat wasn’t on the podium because they were pissed that Ferentz cancelled the in-home visit.
Oh ok
That makes sense then. Henderson lived close enough that he didn’t need to use one of his officials on Iowa.
He was clearly destined for a program like USC or Miami anyways. The story about him keeping Randy Shannon waiting for 3 hours while he got his braids done was pretty unbelieveable.
by JSB on Jan 6, 2011 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
I believe there were multiple unofficials as well
but I’m not certain on that. His O-Line coach was a former Hawkeye player or coach or something like that. He had plenty of access to our program and vice versa.
Where they made cardboard cutouts of him
and went insanely over the top. Regarding his recruitment, the whole thing was over-the-top and probably belonged more in modern day professional wrestling (by which I mean circa 1998) than college football but that probably shows how naive I am when it comes to college football.
I realize his brother goes to Alabama
but does anyone know if Kouandijo likes his brother? I know plenty of athletes that would like to be on their own instead of sharing with their family.
I have no idea, just a question.
You can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning
by The Bacon Explosion on Jan 7, 2011 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
While on the subject of coaches, since Pat Fitzgerald hates Iowa
therefore he hates America. Therefore Witzgerald is a communist?
Actually, he's more like this dude
He’s a bad wizard but he’s not really a BADASS wizard since he kind of cheats…

"Hey! Mr. Dog! I'm in the computer!" ~ my daughter taunting the dog over Skype
by The Bird Cult on Jan 5, 2011 7:02 PM CST up reply actions
(waiting for the Photoshop, patiently)
"Hey! Mr. Dog! I'm in the computer!" ~ my daughter taunting the dog over Skype
by The Bird Cult on Jan 5, 2011 7:02 PM CST up reply actions
I've actually already done this in the bit about my kids.

Granted, it sucked.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jan 6, 2011 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
So you burnt that offensive purple shirt, right?
Or just returned it to the place where it came from?
Going, going, going, going, going, going, going, going.... Alright, I'll stop for now.
by EnergizerHawk on Jan 6, 2011 5:16 PM CST up reply actions
She's not allowed to hang out with that kid anymore.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jan 6, 2011 9:54 PM CST up reply actions
Good parenting.
Going, going, going, going, going, going, going, going.... Alright, I'll stop for now.
by EnergizerHawk on Jan 6, 2011 10:45 PM CST up reply actions
So evasive quarterbacks from greater Chicago
are his fighting Uruk-Hai?
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jan 5, 2011 7:05 PM CST up reply actions
I can't look at Christopher Lee without thinking of how wretched Star Wars II was.
So what if I tailgate to the NPR jazz station?
I was smart. I didn't see II or III after I.
"Hey! Mr. Dog! I'm in the computer!" ~ my daughter taunting the dog over Skype
by The Bird Cult on Jan 6, 2011 12:06 AM CST up reply actions
So it actually GETS better?
"I'm gonna give you assholes a chance. What do you say we play a little Bangkok Rules?" ~ Snake Plissken
by The Bird Cult on Jan 6, 2011 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
Yes
in the same way that a dry turd is better than a warm smelly one.
I’ve actually seen 1 about 8 times. It gets worse every time.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Me-sa tinks yu underestimated-ed de bad-tasticleness uv-va de episode one-sa.
(It’s hard to type such terrible, and frankly racist (stupid, clumsey character with dreadlocks and a jamaican sounding speaking style- – no, we aren’t making fun of black people), drivel while punching yourself in the face.
It’s hard.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jan 6, 2011 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
I compared the movie
to a warm smelly turd. Other than Darth Maul, there is nothing redeeming about it. So I’m not so sure I underestimated the tastelessness of Jar Jar.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
the scene where they cut through the door with lightsabers - cool
downhill from there.
You can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning
by The Bacon Explosion on Jan 6, 2011 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
Yes. I know you compared it to a turd.
And yet I still think you underestimated.
That is exactly what I meant by that.
Big Top Pee-Wee is inspired compared to that shit sandwich of a movie (cartoon?).
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jan 6, 2011 2:58 PM CST up reply actions
Jar Jar really proved that the real George Lucas
Is Howard the Duck. He’s the luckiest film maker ever… between American Graffiti and the original Star Wars movie, anything that he’s directed or come up with (without a collaborator, like the Raiders movies) has, um, sucked.
"I'm gonna give you assholes a chance. What do you say we play a little Bangkok Rules?" ~ Snake Plissken
by The Bird Cult on Jan 6, 2011 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
Given that Lucas
Didn’t direct, or have any hands-on role in Empire Strikes Back; and has even go so far as to publicly disown it. It has become increasingly clear that the man is a complete hack that happened to get lucky.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
let's not forget the Asian accents of the business group
Can’t remember what they were called and am not going to look it up.
You can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning
by The Bacon Explosion on Jan 6, 2011 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
The ones in the big donut-hole spaceships?
Yeah. They even had slanted eyes. I was like ten when that came out and I apparently asked my dad why the aliens looked Asian.
So what if I tailgate to the NPR jazz station?
You must not have any guns in the house then
I’d be tasting gun metal if I tried to watch it a 2nd time.
"I'm gonna give you assholes a chance. What do you say we play a little Bangkok Rules?" ~ Snake Plissken
by The Bird Cult on Jan 6, 2011 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't like I a ton, but Hayden Christiansen=waste of the name Hayden
By the third movie, it felt like whoever wrote the script just wanted to get the series over with, plus the acting was mediocre at best. I liked a lot of moments in Phantom Menace, but overall, thoroughly average movie. I think Lucas benefited a LOT from star power like McGregor and Neeson.
So what if I tailgate to the NPR jazz station?
I can sum up my feelings about the prequels simply
Natalie Portman’s character died because she LOST THE WILL TO LIVE in those crapfests.
I only wish Lucas had lost the will to write and direct them.
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
by chitownhawkeye on Jan 6, 2011 5:06 PM CST up reply actions
The only good thing about the latter SW movies
Is that Lucasfilm has advanced CGI – a lot – and has done some great jobs on CGI for movies you actually want to see.
"I'm gonna give you assholes a chance. What do you say we play a little Bangkok Rules?" ~ Snake Plissken
by The Bird Cult on Jan 6, 2011 6:32 PM CST up reply actions
Yes.
Of the 3 newer Star Wars films, I only own number 2, because I thought the CGI was awesome. Now, it seems a bit dated.
One other note: I loved the SW Pod Racer game for N54. I bought the N64 memory expansion pack just for that game. It is awesome. I wish I had time to still hook that thing up and play it.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 6, 2011 11:21 PM CST up reply actions
The latter two can actually, um, act.
"I'm gonna give you assholes a chance. What do you say we play a little Bangkok Rules?" ~ Snake Plissken
by The Bird Cult on Jan 6, 2011 6:31 PM CST up reply actions
She can't act either
but it doesn’t matter since she’s hot.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
That sure explains Megan Fox
"I'm gonna give you assholes a chance. What do you say we play a little Bangkok Rules?" ~ Snake Plissken
by The Bird Cult on Jan 7, 2011 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
man can she run in slow motion
You can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning
by The Bacon Explosion on Jan 7, 2011 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
Posted this article on a message board i regular
meltdowns followed, Stoops you rule
one said he expects Iowa to see a “down decade” coming up, yet didnt have a reason for why he expected it. Did we lose Ferentz and have sanctions imposed on us that i missed?
Which board?
"Hey! Mr. Dog! I'm in the computer!" ~ my daughter taunting the dog over Skype
by The Bird Cult on Jan 5, 2011 7:09 PM CST up reply actions
am i allowed to post it?
some sites are fickle on posting other sites on theirs
by IrishHawkeye7 on Jan 5, 2011 7:14 PM CST up reply actions
Which is exactly why this is the onnly Iowa board I look at.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jan 5, 2011 7:12 PM CST up reply actions
BHGP is definitely the endzone as far as I'm concerned for Iowa talk
Nothing else out there comes close.
"Hey! Mr. Dog! I'm in the computer!" ~ my daughter taunting the dog over Skype
by The Bird Cult on Jan 5, 2011 7:13 PM CST up reply actions
Yes.
hawksnestonline.com was OK. And some of the smaller, recently-created sites are OK. But I don’t even set foot on HN or HaLo anymore.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 5, 2011 10:23 PM CST up reply actions
its not an Iowa board
its a fun board, fans of almost every team on there
by IrishHawkeye7 on Jan 5, 2011 7:14 PM CST up reply actions
www.ultimatesportsboards.com
its pretty slow right now due to it being around dinner time/bed time
usually has around 60-80 during the day, 80+ on gamedays
im not 100% sure if the registration is open, the mod isnt answering my post
just a heads up the Mods are RoughRider8(OU fan) and Homercles (TCU)
I’m the only Iowa fan on there as well
by IrishHawkeye7 on Jan 5, 2011 7:21 PM CST up reply actions
oh and if your curious as to how it got there
RR8 made it after the big overhaul of the ESPN CFB boards back in 2005/2006
by IrishHawkeye7 on Jan 5, 2011 7:22 PM CST up reply actions
If anyone is interested
Registration is now open, should be open for a few hours or so
by IrishHawkeye7 on Jan 5, 2011 7:44 PM CST up reply actions
My husband and I are arguing about the Aussie punter right now. He's just hatin' because he knows I have a new man.
by stanzi's ex-girlfriend on Jan 5, 2011 7:08 PM CST reply actions
I was putting odds that the punter would be your new Hunny Bunny
Most guys would be THRILLED that their wife pays attention to their football team at all.
"Hey! Mr. Dog! I'm in the computer!" ~ my daughter taunting the dog over Skype
by The Bird Cult on Jan 5, 2011 7:09 PM CST up reply actions
Actually, it's more like he pays attention to MY football team.
by stanzi's ex-girlfriend on Jan 5, 2011 7:16 PM CST up reply actions
No, really. I'm the one who got him interested in football, period. He never watched it before me.
by stanzi's ex-girlfriend on Jan 5, 2011 7:19 PM CST up reply actions
Do you let him take his penis out, with him, in public every once in a while
or do you just keep it locked up until needed?
When I grow up I wanna be like Koeppel Knievel
Read the Insight Bowl thread for details on how I treat my husband's penis.
by stanzi's ex-girlfriend on Jan 5, 2011 7:56 PM CST up reply actions
Nice...
Ya, I seem to remember that there was a bunch of talk about how good you are to him. I’m just really surprised to read that a guy never watched football before.
When I grow up I wanna be like Koeppel Knievel
Someone's feeding stereotypes!
"They're not people, James Ingram. They're Jimmy Buffett fans."
by SomeJerkPoster on Jan 5, 2011 8:16 PM CST up reply actions
It's not true what they say about Asian dicks. There, now I'm even.
by stanzi's ex-girlfriend on Jan 5, 2011 8:19 PM CST up reply actions
Why, what are you saying?

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Jan 5, 2011 9:17 PM CST up reply actions
haha I'm just sayin...
On a side note – Cyrus definitely looks intimidating.
When I grow up I wanna be like Koeppel Knievel
Note: Stag is not the school mascot.
"They're not people, James Ingram. They're Jimmy Buffett fans."
by SomeJerkPoster on Jan 5, 2011 10:14 PM CST up reply actions
I almost thought about typing that
But you beat me to it.
"I'm gonna give you assholes a chance. What do you say we play a little Bangkok Rules?" ~ Snake Plissken
by The Bird Cult on Jan 6, 2011 12:41 AM CST up reply actions
Speaking of coaches, some station in the Burgh is reporting Pitt has hired Tom Bradley.
This means we lose a very good coach and his excellent recruiting abilities because someone in Old Main decided we have to go outside the program.
I am less than thrilled by that. Unless we get Harbaugh. That would be cool.
"The forecast is zero. And the chill factor's high."
You might be surprised.
We – as in the boosters – paid a ton of money for a wrestling coach. The money will be there.
All I know right now is that people are excited because this means “change is coming”. I see this as losing a great coach and probably another recruiting class.
"The forecast is zero. And the chill factor's high."
by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2011 7:22 PM CST up reply actions
It tells me Joe Pa is good for another 5 years.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Oh, no.
There is no legit source to confirm this, but I believe 2011 is his last year.
"The forecast is zero. And the chill factor's high."
by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2011 7:25 PM CST up reply actions
Only if he dies before the 2012 season...
JoePa retire? Come on…
by DJK's bongwater on Jan 6, 2011 10:15 AM CST up reply actions
It tells me that between this and the bizarro standoff with Bolden, one should hope that trouble not come in threes.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
Standoff with Bolden = Penn State wanting an eighteen year old to take more time while his father keeps going to the media and his mother sighs in the ocrner.
Of course, at some point, it becomes pointless to hang on. If that family is as conflicted as it seems, I say let it go.
"The forecast is zero. And the chill factor's high."
by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2011 7:27 PM CST up reply actions
gotta love helicopter parents
ruining their kids lives one decision at a time
by IrishHawkeye7 on Jan 5, 2011 7:28 PM CST up reply actions
it seems so weird that bolden would want to leave
just earn your starting spot like everyone else.
by justsomehawkeyefan on Jan 5, 2011 7:30 PM CST up reply actions
I think you are absolutely correct, Rambler.
I think Paterno will eventually let Bolden go to a team outside the conference (Pitt?), but he just wants him to make the decision with a clear head and maybe with his Mom’s approval.
Besides, you still have McGloin and Jones. Why keep a malcontent around, unless he suddenly wants to play WR (and I have no clue if Bolden could do so)?
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 5, 2011 10:37 PM CST up reply actions
Is the PSU staff stable?
I read an internet thing that said some were annoyed that Joe announced his return for 2011 without telling them first. And I thought Bradley was the heir-apparent.
In a business, when the heir-apparent leaves, it’s not a good sign.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
Yes, the PSU staff is very stable.
No one, not even an anonymous dude, ever, and I mean ever called Bradley the heir-apparent.
As for that first rumor, if the staff is whiny over that, that’s their problem. I’ve been cracking jokes with my Old Man about Joe staying for another year since I was ten years old. If the rumor is true, they should have just done what any rational person would do and assumed he was coming back.
"The forecast is zero. And the chill factor's high."
by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2011 7:43 PM CST up reply actions
Oh, and now some other station is officially contradicting the first report.
"The forecast is zero. And the chill factor's high."
by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2011 7:44 PM CST up reply actions
And another guy...
http://twitter.com/PeteThamelNYT/status/22830493221257216
"The forecast is zero. And the chill factor's high."
by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2011 7:55 PM CST up reply actions
I'm sorry, but that is just about the best nondenial denial I have ever read.
That proves why Twitter is evil. In these little bleets a person of intelligence can say 7 things at once.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
by Bellanca on Jan 5, 2011 8:40 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I know.
"The forecast is zero. And the chill factor's high."
by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2011 8:46 PM CST up reply actions
ahem
"The forecast is zero. And the chill factor's high."
by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2011 9:48 PM CST up reply actions
Poster in question has never posted rumors before and has always been a good guy. He stated tonight that he works with the station in the ’Burgh that made the original report.
"The forecast is zero. And the chill factor's high."
by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2011 9:49 PM CST up reply actions
You know how this all works
I mean, look at RichRod. There were plenty of sources that said he was fired yesterday, and then, look at that, he wasn’t fired yesterday.
Wait, what?
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
by chitownhawkeye on Jan 5, 2011 10:04 PM CST up reply actions
And, if Bradley is any good as an HC...
PSU could probably get him back in a couple of years.
I’m still not sold on the long-term viability of the Pitt program, unless they join a real conference (Big Ten).
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 5, 2011 10:39 PM CST up reply actions
By viability, I mean prospects for success...
not survival.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 5, 2011 10:40 PM CST up reply actions
The Thamel tweet could confirm or deny the Bradley offer.
It doesn’t say the offer hasn’t been made.
“No decisions about an offer have been made.”
Really, so Bradley hasn’t made a decision about an existing offer? Or, an offer hasn’t been made period? Or, a written offer hasn’t been drafted to follow-up on an oral proposal?
We play tackle football, most of the time.
oral proposal
i’m listening
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Jan 6, 2011 9:11 AM CST up reply actions
Will Muschamp II
The dude at Maryland…head coaches always overstay their welcome. Being an heir-apparent to a decent head coach is like being the mistress. No, you’re not going to the ball. Ever.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Are you saying Mack Brown and Friedgen overstayed their welcomes?
Wow. I guess coaching really is feast or famine.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 5, 2011 10:41 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe worded wrong as overstayed welcome
reports were that Brown was going to retire after this year, but was worried that dumpster fire of a season wasn’t the way to leave his legacy or whatever and decided to stay. Muschamp was understandably pissed and jumped at the Florida job.
Stupid Llamas!.
by otisnixon'sparty on Jan 6, 2011 3:36 AM CST up reply actions
I know it'll never happen
but the meltdown in Ann Arbor would be so much fun to watch if Harbaugh went to PSU
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
by chitownhawkeye on Jan 5, 2011 7:33 PM CST up reply actions
Harbaugh is my dream, “It’ll never happen” selection. Would consider dying of happiness if we hired him.
"The forecast is zero. And the chill factor's high."
by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2011 7:45 PM CST up reply actions
Harbaugh in happy valley is not too far removed, to me, from the kind of misfit Rich Rod was in AA
Love you guys, but Harbaugh is the anti-paterno. Very free spirit in his coaching moves. And he has very little tolerance for fishbowl.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
I'm not sure you know what the anti-Paterno is.
With all due respect (and I mean that).
"The forecast is zero. And the chill factor's high."
by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2011 7:48 PM CST up reply actions
Is it Kiffin?
Huh? Is it?
(No stability, no ability, and gets coaching gigs because of his dad instead of giving them to his son)
(Jesus, I was sort of joking, then I wrote that out and I think I’m right)
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
by chitownhawkeye on Jan 5, 2011 8:07 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think a fanbase lives with one coach for 70 or whatver years and
then suddenly adopts whole all the peculiarities of anyone, much less those of Jim Harbaugh. We are talking about the same Jim Harbaugh, right? The guy Michigan would not hire under Carr because he was such a loose cannon. The guy that bashed his own beloved school’s academic rigor? A fan base needs to either a) have a very thick skin, or b) be like Stanford’s fan base, where the bands antics are as, or more, important than what happens on the field.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Well, it's not gonna happen, but hey.
If a bunch of PSU fans can demand either someone EXCITING AND NEW (Fitz) or a “caretaker” (Dungy), then I can dream for someone who bashes Michigan’s pretentiousness.
Frankly, I really don’t care about Michigan’s opinion of the guy. Who did they hire again?
Besides, Penn State fans like coaches who are a little crazy.
"The forecast is zero. And the chill factor's high."
by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2011 8:25 PM CST up reply actions
For his successor to succeed, Joe Pa has to express much love for the next guy
there is serious family dynamic at schools like Iowa and Penn State. If it’s a Bowden type thing, no fucking good. That is why you need Bradley to stay. But I think he is gone. Smoke = fire. See initial Rich Rod announcement.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Bradley thing isn't a huge deal in terms of successor succeeding, in my opinion.
Just for instance, the presumable interim DC, Ron Vanderlinden (currently LBs coach), was a great DC at NW in the mid-90s and is a very good recruiter.
Moving on, I’m 99% sure Joe will have a say in the next coach. At the very least he’ll put his stamp on the hire. If neither happens, I’m probably done with PSU football. Seriously.
"The forecast is zero. And the chill factor's high."
by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2011 8:48 PM CST up reply actions
Is this the ex-Holy Cross guy who didn't make it at Maryland?
We play tackle football, most of the time.
Yes.
He had four years. They improved in each season, but he couldn’t get to a bowl game, so they canned him. He recruited all of the players that Friedgen used in his early run of success.
"The forecast is zero. And the chill factor's high."
by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2011 8:53 PM CST up reply actions
Wait, Holy Cross?
I know of no connection to Holy Cross
"The forecast is zero. And the chill factor's high."
by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2011 8:54 PM CST up reply actions
Okay, I was wrong, but you'll see why.
Vanderlinden replaced Mark Duffner. Mark Duffner was a very successful coach at Holy Cross.
Both were fired, and of course, as we know, Maryland recently fired the ACC coach of the year, to hire a guy whose teams are so dull their fans didn’t attend their first BCS bowl ever, costing UConn $millions.
Reason to fire the Fridge? He didn’t fill the stadium. We’ll see how this goes.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
what blows me away about the Mary Land hire
is that I was under the impression that the UnderArmor guy was rapidly becoming that school’s version of the Phil Knight. Seeing the marketing approach of UnderArmor and then seeing that hire makes me think that Mary Land is like three seasons away from petitioning the Patriot League for entrance.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Stanford's fan base is stoned the half of the time the Cal fan base isn't stoned, and vice-versa
Its Kalifornia, dude.
I’m about half serious. I was buying a ticket for the mega millions jackpot last night (if I win, I’m getting a permanent suite at Kinnick, and guys, anyone from BHGP is welcome at any time), and it seems like every other car I walk by here smells like weed… and Arrrrnoollld signed a law that basically makes possession of less than an ounce a traffic ticket – a $100 fine and that’s it.
"Hey! Mr. Dog! I'm in the computer!" ~ my daughter taunting the dog over Skype
by The Bird Cult on Jan 6, 2011 12:12 AM CST up reply actions
That's why he's a much better fit for a pro team or a school in a big urban area like Stanford
Personally, I think his best move IS to take the 49ers job. it just seems like the time is right to turn them around.
"Hey! Mr. Dog! I'm in the computer!" ~ my daughter taunting the dog over Skype
by The Bird Cult on Jan 6, 2011 12:09 AM CST up reply actions
Muchos Kudos on the appraisal
SMA, As I tell my staff,
they don’t pay you enough,,,,
crisp as clear channel radio.
I think the stronger each and every b1G team can be
we can do the sum of the parts,,,
and have less on our shoes at the end of new years day
although i have cash on the table saying there will be a shakeup of the bowl lineup
so we can have no more than four circle jerk suicides in one day
rather a bad windex commercials with the feathers flying when we hit the glass
as for the boys up north,,, i have a dear co worker and meechegum alum
who never liked dickrod, quit giving money for certain things and he tells me he was not alone who echeoed the opinion that jealousy abounded for the kaptain kirk and the starship hawkeye
further
the long for the days and ways of lloyd
and have learned their over reaction cost them dearly,,,,,
and in a morose comment said
he would be happy for the moment to be the best five loss team in the country
confirming the tenet of SMA
Lookup "idiot" in the Dictionary. Leaders and Legends from the Lamely is the def
it gets easier if
you remember i am a lot like Karl,,,,
except I don’t have jNW tie
Lookup "idiot" in the Dictionary. Leaders and Legends from the Lamely is the def
you always do
No self-respecting man from Iowa goes anywhere without beer
by Hayden Fry's Moustache Ride on Jan 5, 2011 10:17 PM CST up reply actions
Only Walt Whitman gets to type free verse on this blog. Are you Walt Whitman?
We play tackle football, most of the time.
Weeb Ewbank is Penn State's next head coach.
"The forecast is zero. And the chill factor's high."
by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2011 8:50 PM CST up reply actions
C.S. Lewis is right, then. What we think is earth is really hell. This explains Ann Arbor sanctimony.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
had one of the best cannoli in AA
up there like twenty years ago,,,,
even better than my ex wife
i took one back to the motel
I don't intend to upset folks with the way I write it just happens,,,
Words cannot express my love for you.
"The forecast is zero. And the chill factor's high."
by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2011 8:54 PM CST up reply actions
If I make fun of him, will he realize it?
"The forecast is zero. And the chill factor's high."
by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2011 8:57 PM CST up reply actions
I think he's moved beyond any form of self-consciousness.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
LEMON CURRY?
"The forecast is zero. And the chill factor's high."
by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2011 8:59 PM CST up reply actions
who knows
way too much monty python
and frank zappa in my past,,,,
although i have a great congress of wonders album
from 69 that has a track about
the prince of mythica, NY
I don't intend to upset folks with the way I write it just happens,,,
LEMON CURRY?
"The forecast is zero. And the chill factor's high."
by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2011 9:00 PM CST up reply actions
no
the penquin is on the telly
I don't intend to upset folks with the way I write it just happens,,,
Yeah, that's what I thought.
Anyway, I just don’t understand how Monty Python makes all of this possible.
"The forecast is zero. And the chill factor's high."
by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2011 9:01 PM CST up reply actions
ok i mispoke
you have throw in a little dr who
who used to be on at midnight on sunday
om\n pbs
and you had to stay up and watch it
cause if you didnt then you wouldnt know
if the universe was really there
on monday
I don't intend to upset folks with the way I write it just happens,,,
Were you ever on Cops?
"The forecast is zero. And the chill factor's high."
by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2011 9:03 PM CST up reply actions
i had a speeding ticket
two years ago
does that count?
I don't intend to upset folks with the way I write it just happens,,,
But were you ever on Cops?
"The forecast is zero. And the chill factor's high."
by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2011 9:05 PM CST up reply actions
Shoot!
"The forecast is zero. And the chill factor's high."
by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2011 9:08 PM CST up reply actions
I am assuming
Reading is where you from
might it be
the “Reading”
of Monopoly “Reading Railroad”
or does it refer to the act of acquiring information visually?
I don't intend to upset folks with the way I write it just happens,,,
my avatar
is Lenny Moore
The Reading Rambler
thanks for asking
Reading Rambler
was name of the Reading Railroad
Excursion trains
in 50s
thanks for asking
"The forecast is zero. And the chill factor's high."
by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2011 9:11 PM CST up reply actions
cool
i remember him as a kid
he played with Unitas and the Colts didnt he?
and i got the monopoly scoop too
thanks
I don't intend to upset folks with the way I write it just happens,,,
lenny
he was a man
damn right he played with Johnny U!
The Reading Rocket
Lights out to the moon!
"The forecast is zero. And the chill factor's high."
by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2011 9:22 PM CST up reply actions
A guy that types in verse and ellipses
His car…
Has got
to smell like weed. (see my reference above for the lameness of this joke).
"Hey! Mr. Dog! I'm in the computer!" ~ my daughter taunting the dog over Skype
by The Bird Cult on Jan 6, 2011 12:14 AM CST up reply actions
Dr. Who was on Saturday midnights for me
All I got was a geek demeanor
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
by chitownhawkeye on Jan 5, 2011 9:19 PM CST up reply actions
as a former oak parker
forty more years ago
my memory is pbs was channel 11
maybe i am wrong
first time in at least the last six minutes
I don't intend to upset folks with the way I write it just happens,,,
I was in Iowa at the time
So your memory is probably right.
And thinking about it, it might have been Friday nights for me.
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
by chitownhawkeye on Jan 5, 2011 9:35 PM CST up reply actions
time is but
a constant that rules
our universe
i belive that’s einstein
but its time for the nebulizer,
grease up the throat
and dream of judy collins on the beach
night all
I don't intend to upset folks with the way I write it just happens,,,
your words
they
complete
me
"The forecast is zero. And the chill factor's high."
by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2011 9:39 PM CST up reply actions
I want to shoot this thread.
"They're not people, James Ingram. They're Jimmy Buffett fans."
by SomeJerkPoster on Jan 5, 2011 9:55 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
A physics and MIB reference in the same post. WIN
"I'm gonna give you assholes a chance. What do you say we play a little Bangkok Rules?" ~ Snake Plissken
by The Bird Cult on Jan 7, 2011 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
Did a vehicle come from somewhere up there?
Did it land in the Andes?
Was it round, and did it have
A motor?
Or was it something different?
"If there's one thing Nixon is known for, it's class. Now let's cut this turd loose!"
- Richard Nixon's Head, President of Earth
by Bucketochicken on Jan 5, 2011 11:15 PM CST up reply actions
Winner.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jan 5, 2011 11:20 PM CST up reply actions
Is this place going Dr Fucking Suess on us?
"I'm gonna give you assholes a chance. What do you say we play a little Bangkok Rules?" ~ Snake Plissken
by The Bird Cult on Jan 7, 2011 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
No.
Zappa.
"If there's one thing Nixon is known for, it's class. Now let's cut this turd loose!"
- Richard Nixon's Head, President of Earth
by Bucketochicken on Jan 7, 2011 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
Just as long as it's not
the Moon Unit-influenced “Valley Girls” era
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Jan 7, 2011 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
No fucking kidding.
It’s making my head hurt.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jan 5, 2011 11:10 PM CST up reply actions
Poor man's take
Bellanca, the x man of letters
liked women who screamed and were sweaters
he hated hawk prose
but what does he knows?
Methinks OH may be one of his bettors
What's your deal?
by PCarroll_u_sm(j)irk on Jan 7, 2011 6:52 AM CST up reply actions
Well, line two is certainly correct, though I prefer that they wear, rather than be, sweaters.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
On that
we agree.
What's your deal?
by PCarroll_u_sm(j)irk on Jan 7, 2011 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
It’s either him or Chuck Noll.
"The forecast is zero. And the chill factor's high."
by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2011 8:57 PM CST up reply actions
jets generals then oblivion
great now you got me
writing like you
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
worst bogart movie
the one that’s like west side story
i think it’s called knock
on any door
too preachy
never liked it
"The forecast is zero. And the chill factor's high."
by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2011 9:08 PM CST up reply actions
peyote
No self-respecting man from Iowa goes anywhere without beer
by Hayden Fry's Moustache Ride on Jan 5, 2011 10:23 PM CST up reply actions
This dude was definitely on it
Vid3, where dude just emotes over the rainbow.
Cats been getting hookups on tatts since back in 01. - former buckeye Antonio Pittman
It suddenly occurs to me
remember the wailing and rending of garments by UM fans when the rumor of KF being hired by Michigan was floating around?
As funny as that was at the time, it’s even funnier now.
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
So, with this
Will GERG Robinson ever coach again? He shouldn’t…but unfortunately Cal State Fullerton will probably snatch him up as a defensive coordinator.
I have figured out who Michigan should hire. He meets all of Brandon's criteria.
He is a defensive coach who, in a prior life, utterly undressed WVU in RR’s biggest game. (Historical irony: important in these matters: “Can he coach?” “He killed RichRod in 2007.”)
He coaches at a school that ‘produced’ the genius who is playing for the MNC this year — but he has a better record. So how can you complain that no one knows who he is, because he’s better than the other guy, who sets Cam Newton’s curfew? (“Who is this guy?” “He’s the guy who did 3x the job of the guy who is in the MNC game this week.”)
He’s not as accomplished as another HFC from Iowa, but they had their chance at that guy. (“Oh. That guy.”)
His departure will cause panic and confusion in Ames but who cares. (In spite and anger, Jamie Pollard will cancel the planned nickel minting thing.) (Jamie Pollard is very proud that he has a Boy Scout Merit Badge in Coin Collecting.)
Brian Cook, meet your new Michigan Head Football Coach, Paul Rhoads.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
Maybe after this next coach gets fired.
I don’t think Rhoads has quite enough experience yet.
And yes, I know you were (mostly) kidding. But it would be fun to see this again:

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 5, 2011 10:31 PM CST up reply actions
So cruel. Yet so true.
Iowa State can’t even get to bridesmaid level.
"Hey! Mr. Dog! I'm in the computer!" ~ my daughter taunting the dog over Skype
by The Bird Cult on Jan 6, 2011 12:15 AM CST up reply actions
Ya know, i was looking back at some Michigan Smugness from 07
ya know, when KF was in the middle of the “who is coming in” speculation. most of them turned up there noses in protest and said “not worthy”
HAHAHAHA suck it
by justsomehawkeyefan on Jan 5, 2011 8:50 PM CST reply actions
Actually, ponder this. Zook to Michigan
They might just be that desperate, and I don’t think Michigan would lose any sleep raiding Illinois coach. With his recruiting acumen, he could at least stock the cupboard enough so that when he fails in his 3rd season, there will be enough talent to bring in a Real Michigan Man.
I’ll bet Zook would leave Illinois in a heartbeat if UM called.
"Hey! Mr. Dog! I'm in the computer!" ~ my daughter taunting the dog over Skype
by The Bird Cult on Jan 6, 2011 12:17 AM CST up reply actions
If that happened...
any respect I had for Michigan athletics would be gone.
Then again, I don’t have ton left for them, so…
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 6, 2011 11:26 PM CST up reply actions
Why not Ron Turner?
He won at Illinois, has oodles of NFL experience, would probably come on the cheap.
"They're not people, James Ingram. They're Jimmy Buffett fans."
Ron Turner is a monumentally bad NCAAF coach.
I approve.
"The forecast is zero. And the chill factor's high."
by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2011 8:52 PM CST up reply actions
A crippled cripple?
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Please let the Ron Turner thing have been sarcasm.
Guy had 2 winning seasons at Illinois, and was 22 games under .500 while there (24 games under .500 in conference).
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 5, 2011 10:28 PM CST up reply actions
Aren't he and Norv Turner brothers?
Seems like disaster follows those guys everywhere. Where did they get this rep that they were good coaches?
"I'm gonna give you assholes a chance. What do you say we play a little Bangkok Rules?" ~ Snake Plissken
by The Bird Cult on Jan 6, 2011 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
Yep, they are brothers.
And while Norv has rehabbed his image with the Chargers, I think it is safe to say that both of those guys benefit from the “NFL just keeps recycling assistants and head coaches” theory.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 6, 2011 11:28 PM CST up reply actions
Anybody want to do a what if
Dickrod got Pryor instead of sweatervest?
I don't intend to upset folks with the way I write it just happens,,,
But if he had one that didn't break like a twig
eh, who am I kidding, it’s the total lack of a defense that ultimately did it
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
by chitownhawkeye on Jan 5, 2011 9:21 PM CST up reply actions
T Pryor can't score 80 points a game.
So maybe Michigan wins an extra 5 or 7 games over 3 years, but probably not a lot more than that.
Maybe.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 5, 2011 10:26 PM CST up reply actions
TP could score 80 a game
but Sweatervest plays conservative, ask any tOSU blogger.
You can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning
by The Bacon Explosion on Jan 6, 2011 2:19 PM CST up reply actions
I think I've found the missing explanatory variable
1995: Mary Sue Coleman becomes president of Iowa
A few years later: Iowa enters a very dark era of football
August 2002, Mary Sue Coleman leaves Iowa to become president of UM.
November 2002, Iowa secures co-conference championship
A few years later: Michigan enters a very dark era of football
Now, correlation is not causation, but I think I can safely say … Mary Sue Coleman kills football programs.
I think she's qualified enough
To be the President of OSU, Nebby, Minny, jNW and P*rdue all at the same time.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Jan 5, 2011 10:40 PM CST up reply actions
When I heard some media comments...
that made it sound like Mary Sue was being a bit too hands on with this firing and hiring of a football coach, I didn’t like it.
But, a few hours later, I think she is just making sure they don’t end up with another DickRod.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 5, 2011 10:53 PM CST up reply actions
wasnt she personally responsible
for getting rid of Dr. Tom?
I don't intend to upset folks with the way I write it just happens,,,
I think that was more Bowlsby than Mary Sue.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 6, 2011 11:29 PM CST up reply actions
This is a great point.
If only Mary Sue would hire Hunter F. Rawlings as the AD, we would be able to forget about Michigan for decades.
by Black and Gold on Jan 5, 2011 11:37 PM CST up reply actions
Perhaps Mary Sue Coleman's mentor is this dude
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It explains so much.
"Hey! Mr. Dog! I'm in the computer!" ~ my daughter taunting the dog over Skype
by The Bird Cult on Jan 6, 2011 12:19 AM CST up reply actions
No, David Skorton was Skywalker.
Won two Big Ten titles while he was there. Haven’t won shit since he left (but an Orange Bowl).
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
David Skorton was a really nice guy, too. Liked Diet Coke.
by stanzi's ex-girlfriend on Jan 6, 2011 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
Sorry, Sally.
Something about your hair just screams “Ewok.”


I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 6, 2011 11:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Mary Sue Coleman
KILLS football programs. With her bare hands.
There. Fixed.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jan 6, 2011 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
I have made the tragic mistake
of reading this thread while fatigued after a busy day. I will now start over with a sizeable glass of Macallan 12 in hand. Perhaps that will help, or at least if it doesn’t, I won’t care. Only here.
Don Nordmann, we hardly knew ye
I don't buy your conclusion about recruiting
Michigan will have to be very bad for a very long time for Iowa to surpass Michigan in recruiting. Michigan couldn’t be in a worse position this year for recruiting while Iowa is coming off of a BCS bowl win, and Michigan will have the better recruiting class.
Until Ferentz starts producing consistent top 10-15 classes, I don’t buy it.
One thing that might help Michigan...
is they will be willing to offer a lot of guys some immediate playing time, especially on defense.
And, to be fair, the one or two times Iowa brought in a top-10 or 15 class, it didn’t work out all that great.
That being said, I do hope we get Cyrus Kouandjio for next year. We can always use a good O-lineman.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 5, 2011 11:01 PM CST up reply actions
overall, iowa is having a pretty good class in my mind, with the potential to have a pretty damn good class
if we get Cyrus, that would make my year though
by justsomehawkeyefan on Jan 5, 2011 11:07 PM CST up reply actions
ooo, creeped myself out
im wayyy to young to be this creepy
by justsomehawkeyefan on Jan 5, 2011 11:07 PM CST up reply actions
Contrary to popular opinion
young and creepy aren’t mutually exclusive (at least that’s what my 11-year-old girlfriend tells me).
What's your deal?
by PCarroll_u_sm(j)irk on Jan 7, 2011 7:00 AM CST up reply actions
The article implied that from now on Michigan is no better a destination for recruits than Iowa
The evidence disagrees with that conclusion.
by JSB on Jan 6, 2011 1:06 AM CST up reply actions
The post suggests that Michigan
no longer has the kind of recruiting advantage they once enjoyed. I think that is proven. But, it sound like you prefer to look at recruiting rankings, whereas I am looking at placing guys into the NFL. Who cares if you get a highly acclaimed class that sucks. Recruiting is measured in the real world by wins, losses and player development. Right now, and for the foreseeable future, Michigan is nothing special and firmly behind Iowa and, for that matter, Stanford. Michigan may not produce the #1 QB in the NFL draft in our lifetimes, Stanford is going to do it this year.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
What # was Tom Brady?
"This is an easy choice- feral pigs plus land mines equals random, airborne bacon." - blanx73
by The Ghost of John Hannah on Jan 6, 2011 9:02 AM CST up reply actions
And your point?
Is it that NFL doesn’t know how to evaluate talent? If you want to win recruiting ranking wars, feel free to then hire an average coach who can sell snake oil. His name is Lane Kiffin.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Not a point at all, really
Just curious how high he was in the draft. You mentioned we may never see the #1 QB in the NFL draft in our lifetimes.
"This is an easy choice- feral pigs plus land mines equals random, airborne bacon." - blanx73
by The Ghost of John Hannah on Jan 6, 2011 9:30 AM CST up reply actions
Yes, recruiting rankings are a better indicator of recruiting prowess than NFL draft picks
Look at the rankings and cohort of players recruited over the last 5 years by Michigan. Then, look at the rankings cohort of players recruited by Iowa over the last 5 years. Michigan’s players were more highly sought.
Just because Ferentz and his staff are wizards at turning raw players into NFL-ready players doesn’t mean that the players they are getting are more highly sought before they arrive on campus.
Way too much feedback in your evaluation of "recruiting advantage"
A “Recruiting Advantage” is making it easier to convince Player X to come to School A versus School B. The best indication of that possessing that type of advantage is the other offers of the players you get to come to your school and the consensus rankings of your players.
The ultimate success and the NFL draft position (4-5 years later) aren’t as good of indicators of how much easier it is to convince a player to come to School A over School B.
Ok, quality of talent counts to a point
But how you develop and coach what you get is important too.
"Hey! Mr. Dog! I'm in the computer!" ~ my daughter taunting the dog over Skype
by The Bird Cult on Jan 6, 2011 12:19 AM CST up reply actions
Of course Coaching and Development trump Talent
Just ask Miami, Notre Dame and this year’s USC. But a lot of the article focused on recruits. If the author had just argued that Iowa is a better job because recruiting doesn’t matter that much and it’s not that much easier to win at Michigan than Iowa; but the expectations at Iowa are much more reasonable, I think he would have a really good case.
But, he made it seem like Iowa and Mississippi State are equally desirable for recruits. I just don’t buy that.
Tradition, fan base etc. do mean something in the recruiting wars.
Relevancy with today’s high school football savant is measured not in how many wins you have all-time or in how many of your coaches are in the College Football Hall of Fame, or how big your stadium is (to a 17-year old, a television audience is the real audience anyway) or what conference you play in and how many of its titles you own and so forth. To use a cliché, college football is a shotgun wedding where the exchange of vows asks what have you done for me lately.
I would guess the average high school recruit looks at Michigan football in much the same way the average high school basketball player looks at the Fab Five: they don’t. Okay, maybe that’s hyperbole. Maybe. But just as Michigan’s relevancy in basketball disappeared in a haze of smoke, called Brian Ellerbe, their football program is doing the same. It may not last forever but it will last for a while at least.
But thousands of high school recruits know better. They just saw Mississippi State bury the Wolverines on national television without the use kryptonite or even a complex offensive scheme, just better players playing better football. Recruits know what’s what; they know they don’t need to go to Michigan to play on national TV or to be drafted into the NFL. They don’t need to go to Michigan to play live in front of thousands of people either. And they know that they don’t need to go to Michigan to play at a school that has a great reputation for academics.
by JSB on Jan 6, 2011 1:05 AM CST up reply actions
Are you arguing that Michigan had better players than Mississippi State or that Mississippi State had
average players but sublime coaching and player development expertise? How long as Dan Mullen been the coach there? Two years? So, in two years he developed his players to such an extent that they are head a shoulders better than Michigan in that area, but the Michigan players are really more “talented”? Give me a break. Mississippi State RECRUITED players that were, we saw, every bit as good as Michigan’s players.
For the record, every talking head in America said what we said on our game day thread here at BHGP, that Mississippi State ran the most basic, uncomplicated scheme of almost any bowl team this year. But their players were just so much better it didn’t matter. They could have run QB sneaks the whole game and won.
Michigan is not RECRUITING better players than Iowa. They may be earning a better ranking, but Iowa would not trade any of the last four classes with them and would not trade this year’s class with them or next years. Coaches know that the days of Michigan trading on their brand to recruit players is O-V-E-R.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Who was the kid a few years back that went to Michigan? The CR kid who played WR and chose them over Iowa?
well, the stud CR kid who plays WR this year went to Oregon.
I think this supports my argument.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Adrian Arrington
"If there's one thing Nixon is known for, it's class. Now let's cut this turd loose!"
- Richard Nixon's Head, President of Earth
by Bucketochicken on Jan 6, 2011 8:22 AM CST up reply actions
If he chose someone ele over us
then we didn’t want him and he wasn’t good enough anyway!!!
/Hawkeye Nation’d
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Yep.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 6, 2011 11:36 PM CST up reply actions
Michigan sucks ass this year, Oregon is playing for the national title
And if your article said that Oregon was a better job now than Iowa, I would not have necessarily disagreed with you. Oregon also has had a much better last 5 years than Iowa and has other intangibles (better facilities, uniforms, Nike money etc) that Iowa doesn’t have.
Besides, one recruit in one year doesn’t really prove that over the long-run program tradition and prestige doesn’t matter in recruiting battles.
Hey! Maybe Phil Knight should start paying for spiffy uniforms at Michigan
That will bail them out of this shit, they could have Pee Wee Herman as their coach and recruits will flock there in droves.

Redemption baby. REDEMPTION.
"I'm gonna give you assholes a chance. What do you say we play a little Bangkok Rules?" ~ Snake Plissken
by The Bird Cult on Jan 6, 2011 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
You can laugh
But recruits often mention uniforms as a reason they consider Oregon. The uniforms help build the buzz and make Oregon an “it” program.
Their results the last 5 years have also been outstanding. They have the 6th highest 5-year average end-of-season Sagarin ranking.
See? All you need are uniforms and Pee Wee and UM be SET.
"I'm gonna give you assholes a chance. What do you say we play a little Bangkok Rules?" ~ Snake Plissken
by The Bird Cult on Jan 6, 2011 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
Yet more proof that teenagers have no taste
Anyone that can look at the eye-rape that is the weekly Oregon uniform choice (or Cal, for that matter) and think “WOW! That’s awesome!!” clearly has a brain not fully formed. So yes, it makes perfect sense and it is working for Oregon.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Furthermore
I really think that our coaching staff weeds our kids during the recruiting process based on their impressions during recruiting visits. I doubt any kid would actually sit in front of one of our coaches and tell them that he is considering Oregon because of their uniforms but I think that would throw up a red flag if he did. If you look at the types of kids we’ve been getting lately and the fact that Ferentz canceled an in-home visit with Seantrel Henderson last year for one reason or another, I think we can all rest assured that kids are choosing Iowa for the right reasons.
Wasn’t Marcus Coker named Gentleman of the Year in the state of Maryland or something like that?
Don't tell Chazz this
If you look at the types of kids we’ve been getting lately and the fact that Ferentz canceled an in-home visit with Seantrel Henderson last year for one reason or another, I think we can all rest assured that kids are choosing Iowa for the right reasons
because clearly, too many of them are no-good drug addicts who will be breaking into his garage one day.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I'm not trying to throw stones here
but DJK comes from an era where our staff decided to take some stretches on kids and hope that they turned out. I think those days are over. Our staff realizes that we don’t have to cast the widest net to be successful in recruiting. We need to be just as good at scouting the kids who we’re going to devote our resources to as we are at convincing them to come to Iowa. The other part of that is that we have a particular pitch and it works better with certain types of kids.
Kirk Ferentz isn’t walking into the living room of a kid who loves Oregon’s uniforms and is considering them because of that and impress anyone. He does, however, walk into the two-time Maryland Gentleman of the Year’s living room and make quite the impression.
I realize you were speaking in jest but I think it’s a significant transition that our staff is making or at least a more pronounced focus on thinks like intelligence and character which I think is a very good thing.
Is that really why Ferentz quit recruiting Seantrel?
I tend to believe that it was more because he knew that Seantrel was going to either Miami, USC or Ohio State.
by JSB on Jan 6, 2011 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
I think there are several reasons.
Not the least of which is that he snubbed Iowa on the official visit in favor of destinations like Miami, USC, etc. He also had an overbearing father who would have been the ultimate cancer on the program. I think there were several things that threw up flags for Kirk Ferentz that this kid was milking this recruiting process way too much and that it probably shows a flaw in his character.
I will say that I was extremely glad to hear the news that Ferentz scheduled the in-home visit only to give the Henderson’s the big ol fuck off right before the visit. Well done Kirk, well done.
It's because Ferentz knew
that Seantrel’s dad wouldn’t have him going to Iowa. It was the elder Henderson that was the real driving force behind Seantrel going to USC (then Miami).
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Agree
I followed Henderson’s recruitment fairly closely, and his Dad (the aspiring rapper) was a terrible influence. All that being said, he did start as a freshman at Miami and will probably be a first round pick. Miami is probably a better fit for him though.
by JSB on Jan 6, 2011 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
@HoyaGoon
Well, elite players do end up wanting elite drugs, why else would they move in with dealers and steal stuff from my garage to pay for their habit?
/LOL
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 6, 2011 11:38 PM CST up reply actions
@WC
a drug obsession is a drug obsession is a…
What's your deal?
by PCarroll_u_sm(j)irk on Jan 7, 2011 7:23 AM CST up reply actions
Is the Bolden Henderson
any relation to the Elder Bolden? They have to at least go bowling or something.
You can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning
by The Bacon Explosion on Jan 7, 2011 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
What recruits has Iowa beat Michigan for in the last 5 years?
I don’t get how you can argue that Iowa’s 3 star recruits with no elite (Florida, Alabama, USC etc.) offers are more sought after recruits recruits than Michigan’s 4 and 5 star guys.
Starkville sucks as a place to go to school. Iowa will always get better recruits.
"I'm gonna give you assholes a chance. What do you say we play a little Bangkok Rules?" ~ Snake Plissken
by The Bird Cult on Jan 6, 2011 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
Fixed this for you
Starkville sucks as a place to go toschoolfor anything.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
As I've said many times....
Starkville makes Ames look like NYC. Its that bad.
"I'm gonna give you assholes a chance. What do you say we play a little Bangkok Rules?" ~ Snake Plissken
by The Bird Cult on Jan 6, 2011 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
agree!
I think developing players is every bit as important as recruiting. Kids coming in to Iowa KNOW that if they work hard and do what the coaching staff tells them to do they will get a legit shot at the NFL. Iowa also has one of the most stable coaching staffs in the Big Ten if not in the nation. I would also argue that their are few programs out there better able to make a “silk purse from a sow’s ear” than Iowa.
I suspect
there may be one or two Iowa players who would object to being compared to a sow’s ear. But what do I know.
What's your deal?
by PCarroll_u_sm(j)irk on Jan 7, 2011 7:25 AM CST up reply actions
Lloyd Carr
Jesus look what that guy accomplished there yet his record against the arch rival was ultimately his undoing, granted the App St game was the final nail in the coffin.
I hate to say it but what I saw from RichRod scared me, he had a pretty good offense (one that was improving) and a horrible defense; if they would have had a Carr type defense in there they would have been pretty fucking good maybe even great. If I were UM I would have kept RichRod there for one more year and forced him to hire a new dcord.
"That woman was sexy...Out of your league? Son. Let women figure out why they won't screw you, don't do it for them."...SMDS
by J.R. Angle has a posse on Jan 5, 2011 11:20 PM CST reply actions
OSU fired John Cooper because he couldn't consistently beat Michigan.
Both of those schools need to realize that that game is not the be-all end-all of the world. If your coach is always making bowl games, and often winning those bowls, and sometimes making BCS or National Title games, then you need to be happy with that.
I hope that someday the NCAA grows some cajones and punishes OSU for all the illegal crap they do. And I hope Michigan is also still down at that point. Let’s see how much those fanbases care about “The Game” when it features two 4-7 teams that can’t score more than a total of 17 points.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 5, 2011 11:41 PM CST up reply actions
Sweet Baby Jesus, that would be glorious
"They're not people, James Ingram. They're Jimmy Buffett fans."
by SomeJerkPoster on Jan 5, 2011 11:45 PM CST up reply actions
It worked out so poorly for OSU after firing Cooper too.....
by JSB on Jan 6, 2011 1:07 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Good point, JSB.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 6, 2011 11:40 PM CST up reply actions
and sweatervest
won with cooops kids
not unique or the only
but the guy who really got the team up north shaft
was earl bruce
who was the best coach since woody
too bad he had to follow woody
I don't intend to upset folks with the way I write it just happens,,,
two 4-7 teams...
…would make “The Game” even more important to us because it would in fact be the " be-all end-all of the world".
It's a stigma you carry for 364 days until you get a chance to remove it, and get that blemish off your soul.
We go Ho' Beepo ?
I seem to recall the rap on Carr was
that he didn’t develop the sizeable talent he was able to recruit. Compared to the talent Ferentz got and what he did with it, certainly that’s true, and many years Iowa played them even. Ultimately though, not beating OSU killed him. Cooper could do just about anything at OSU but beat Michigan, but that was enough to get him fired. And that ’96 OSU team, in particular, was a magnificent team, loaded with NFL talent .
It will be interesting to see if that remains the primary measuring stick with divisional play.
Don Nordmann, we hardly knew ye
Those '95 & '96 games still fire me up!
Ranked #2 in the nation & killing teams all year long and Coop spits the bit both years! I believe that ’96 game was the begining of the end for him.
It's a stigma you carry for 364 days until you get a chance to remove it, and get that blemish off your soul.
We go Ho' Beepo ?
Actually, I think the gig was up with his offense, as well.
They were shut out in 8 of their final 12 quarters. They started games fast, because Denard is just startlingly fast. Then the good teams seemed to say, “Oh, that’s why the coaches said we had to stay in our lanes.” Then it looked like a high school offense with an Olympic sprinter at QB. And what did they make, in respect of unforced errors per game (drops, penalties, fumbles, dumb int’s)? 10? The Michigan people all say, If we only eliminated the errors we’d be as good as our rushing statistics. Who cares? If I were only carrying Feynman’s IQ, I’d be president of Princeton by now.
I think there’s really no way to do well in a physical conference, also, if you practice against one of these juke-read-run-away offenses.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
And Michigan just isn't able to recruit very good players right now...
certainly they are not able to recruit players that can, with just their raw ability, overcome the dysfunction of that coaching.
I’ll say it again, Michigan is no longer able to just walk into a recruits home and say, “Hi. We’re Michigan. Just sign here.” That hasn’t happened in years and won’t be happening for many more, if ever again.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
We aren't talking about Michigan in a vacuum here
We are talking about Michigan compared to Iowa. Kids from Florida and Georgia are listening to Michigan before they are Iowa. A bad recruiting class for Michigan is outside the top 10. A bad recruiting class for Iowa is outside the top 30.
Edits
All sorts of mistakes in the above post.
*Michigan Rankings were #20, #8, #10, #12, #13
*poor fit of players to scheme in 2008 and 2009
*But that doesn’t mean that it isn’t easier to win big consistently at elite tradition-rich programs like Alabama, Oklahoma, Michigan and USC.
I don't understand what you are talking about
And Michigan isn’t able to recruit very good players right now…certainly they are not able to recruit players that can, with just their raw ability, overcome the dysfunction of that coaching.
Michigan’s last 5 recruiting classes were ranked by Rivals at #20, #8, #10, #12
Iowa’s last 5 recruiting classes were #42, UR, UR, #28, #39
I bet Scout, ESPN, Lemming, 247 and all the other recruiting services had similar rankings too.
And before you argue that these rankings are flawed (I agree with you there) note that they are the best proxy we have for how well a coach is able to land the recruits that he wants. These classes are full of players that were recruited by all the big boys including Florida, USC and Alabama.
Inability to recruit players from 2006-2009 isn’t what killed Michigan football in 2010. The bigger problems were poor coaching, injuries, attrition due to academics and transfers, poor fit of players to scheme in 200 and lack of player development.
You act like Michigan hasn’t won in 20 years. They were ranked in the top 5 and went to the Rose Bowl in 2006 and beat a Tim Tebow-led Florida team in a bowl game in 2007. Clearly there is more parity in college football today than in the 70s, 80s and early 90s. But that doesn’t mean that it is easier to win big consistently at elite tradition-rich programs like Alabama, Oklahoma, Michigan and USC.
And because of the parity, the mighty also fall farther faster...
"I'm gonna give you assholes a chance. What do you say we play a little Bangkok Rules?" ~ Snake Plissken
by The Bird Cult on Jan 6, 2011 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe
But Nebraska, Oklahoma, Alabama and USC have all had down cycles and have bounced back just fine.
Jury's still out on Nebraska
They’ve rebounded to sold, respectablity and annual bowl games. But they are in no way “back” to what the program was (and may never get there). Right now, they really are on the same level as Iowa, albeit with a much better history and therefore press adoration.
Therein lies a key, underrated component. Teams like Michigan, Nebraska, USC, Oklahoma, Texas, Alabama, Notre Dame can be “down” for much longer than teamas like an Iowa because they have a significant portion of the media that will always be ready to proclaim them as having “returned to glory”. But, as SMA notes, this window of opportunity is getting smaller and smaller. Michigan, and Notre Dame, have to get back to national prominence soon, or they risk never getting back.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
That's a good point
Here’s the problem with SMA’s argument in my opinion. While you can argue that the advantages that Michigan (or any of the other big boys) has aren’t the same as they used to be, I struggle to see how a school like Iowa has any advantage over Michigan. Michigan just like Iowa has a rabid fanbase, is located in a great college town and plays in one of the top 4 college football conferences in America. Both schools suffer from poor weather and the perception that Big10 football isn’t as good as SEC football. Both schools have to get much of there talent out-of-state, but I would wager that Michigan still produces 5x as many Division I prospects than Iowa. Michigan has better facilities and more attendance at this point in time.
The only advantage that I can see for Iowa is that the fanbase’s expectations are lower. But that isn’t really something that makes it easier to win, it just makes it an easier job for the coach because he will be under less scrutiny.
by JSB on Jan 6, 2011 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
I think Stoops' point is
that the two programs are roughly equal and, that being the case, the Iowa coaching job is at better. Michigan has more in-state talent, but not enough to sustain itself. It, like Iowa, must go out-of-state and out-of-region to attract playing talent and many of Michigan’s traditional advantages (name recognition, prestige, better facilities) just aren’t there anymore as far as the average high school recruit goes. Given that Michigan no longer has the inherent competitive advantage, from a coaching standpoint, it may be a worse job given that you have to contend with a large and fickle fanbase that, like you Domers, refuses to concede that it isn’t 1974, hell 1990, anymore and either (1) lower expectations or, failing that, (2) give a generic coach enough time to turn things around. Right now, the biggest problem with the Michigan job is the fans’ belief that they are thisclose to being back to what they were and that a quick-fix will solve their problems. This means they won’t be happy with a coach who comes in and tries to fix the structural problems facing the program and won’t give him the time to do so.
And if all this sounds familiar, it’s basically what Notre Dame’s been doing wrong for the past decade.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I still think Michigan has a competitive advantage
I think tradition, national brand, national fan support, and in-state recruiting are all natural advantages for Michigan that trump the “lesser expectations.”
Especially if I am a kick-ass young coach who doesn’t see any reason I can’t win big at Michigan.
Besides, big-time coaches are arrogant and prefer the higher-profile job. History indicates as much. I agree you can see parallels between what Michigan is doing now and Notre Dame’s past 15 years. But consider ND’s hires at the time they were made. Bob Davie, basically the equivalent of Will Muschamp today. Ty Willingham, had already won a Pac10 championship. Charlie Weis, multiple Super Bowl winning assistant coach who was considered for NFL jobs. Brian Kelly,
All those guys were hot coaching properties at the time they were hired. Furthermore, Rich Rodriguez was the hottest young coach when he got hired. Let’s see who Michigan hires before we say nobody wants that job.
by JSB on Jan 6, 2011 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
The fact that these guys were all "hot" properties
is part of the reason they failed. And it’s why Michigan will fail if it insists that is the only way to go. They is a lot that is rotten in Denmark Ann Arbor and it’s going to take a coach who is willing to put in the time and effort to rebuild, almost from the ground up, a flagging program. Can it be done? Sure, and a number of “hot” coaches are probably capable of doing it. But it is chasing the flavor of the month in coachign that has gotten a lot of programs into long-term trouble, Notre Dame being just the most obvious example.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Further
right now, if the Iowa coaching job were to come up, I am willing to bet a greater number of bright, ambitious younger coaches would be more willing to take the Iowa job than Michigan’s. Mostly for the reasons outlined by Stoops. Pay differential is much smaller (if not non-existent), fan expecations aren’t as warped so the coach would have a longer leash in which to prove himself, facilities roughly equal (some of Michigan’s facilities, weight room/training especially, are actually rather subpar) and both could be used to springboard you to a bigger “better” job if that’s what you want.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I doubt that
What’s the difference between Minnesota and Iowa’s facilities and fan expectations? I doubt that anyone here would say that Minnesota is a better job than Iowa. History, national brand and tradition still matter.
Michigan hasn’t had any “bright, ambitious younger coaches” turn them down yet. They had a guy turn them down for apparently $8million in the NFL. In the last coaching search they were able to lure a “bright ambitious” coach in Rich Rodriguez. He was probably the hottest coaching prospect in America at the time he was hired and he turned down Alabama the year before. Sure, Michigan isn’t as alluring today as it was then, but it is still a top 10 job.
Also consider most “bright ambitious coaches” don’t imagine that they are going to fail.
Let’s forget the whole Greg Schiano thing, because that guy is an idiot for turning down Michigan, Miami and who knows else to stay at Rutgers.
by JSB on Jan 6, 2011 3:16 PM CST up reply actions
Hey now...
Let’s forget the whole Greg Schiano thing, because that guy is an idiot for turning down Michigan, Miami and who knows else to stay at Rutgers.
Maybe he just wants to keep choppin’ that wood.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Did Miles turn down Michigan, or vise versa?
While he isn’t super-young, I’d say that qualifies.
If you think you can survive for 4 or 5 years at Michigan, until you can get some momentum for YOUR program, then you probably say it is still a better job than Iowa. If you fell that Michigan has become a place that will run off coaches, then you might favor Iowa.
Personally, I think the Michigan job may still be a bit better than Iowa. But, if they bring in another coach, and run him off in 3 or 4 years, then I think Iowa will probably be a better job at that point.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 6, 2011 11:46 PM CST up reply actions
Another question
If Ferentz were to leave for the NFL right now, would the Iowa fanbase be as patient with the next guy?
I think we are glossing over the fact that Rich Rodriguez record at Michigan was putrid. He was 3-9, 5-7 and 7-6. He was 2-7 against his 3 biggest rivals. In his final 3 games he was totally non-competitive. This from a program that had averaged 9.3 wins over the previous 13 seasons, and probably over 10 wins in the 20 years before that.
Rich Rodriguez deserved to get fired. It’s not like he got fired for one mediocre season.
by JSB on Jan 7, 2011 1:02 AM CST up reply actions
Hypothetical
Carr averaged 9.3 wins, and Rodriguez averaged 5 wins.
Ferentz has averaged 7.4 wins per year during his tenure. If Ferentz successor was to go 1-11, 3-9, 5-7 during his first three year, would he keep his job?
by JSB on Jan 7, 2011 1:05 AM CST up reply actions
No
A new coach wouldn’t get the same leeway that Ferentz got early on (and we went 7-5 in his 3rd season) because the program is on a much more solid footing than it was when he took over. Everyone knew that the cupboard was bare when KF took over (Hayden’s last year showed that), so there was going to be a down period (I don’t think people thought it was going to be as bad as it was, but knew that non-winnign seasons were likely). A new coach would be fine with a couple of 7 win seasons, but a precipitious drop-off now would probably not be tolerated.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Yep.
And, we had been “passed over” by a hot coaching candidate (Stoops), so that was also a sign that Iowa was not a great program at that time.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 8, 2011 1:10 AM CST up reply actions
Miles
It’s unclear whether he was ever actually offered the jobs. I’ve read reports going both ways.
Miles in my opinion isn’t a great example anyways because he has a job that might arguably be as good as Michigan. He is in a one-school state that has one of the highest concentrations of elite high school players of any state in the nation. He has already won a national championship at that school too. At the very least it would have only been a slight step-up for Miles to move from LSU to Michigan.
by JSB on Jan 7, 2011 1:08 AM CST up reply actions
I can't really disagree with what you just said.
But, Miles was born in Michigan, played at Michigan, and got his start (as a grad assistant) at Michigan. If there was ever a guy who could/should give UM the benefit of the doubt, Miles is that guy.
And, it is possible he turned them down.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 8, 2011 1:13 AM CST up reply actions
Now as in NOW
Iowa’s recruiting classes have far outclassed Michigan in terms of those players making it in to the NFL but even the Rival ranking this year will show Michigan behind Iowa and next year too.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Ok, that's your opinion
That also depends on who the next coach is and how well he does next season. Ferentz is currently posting his best recruiting class in five years. It very may well be an outlier too.
Up to this point, it’s hard to argue based on past results that it is easier (or even as easy) to recruit at Iowa than Michigan. The teams have had similar results the last 5 seasons, and Michigan’s classes as-recruited have been much better than Iowas.
I would also be curious to see this NFL-comparison between Iowa and Michigan over the last 5 years.
by JSB on Jan 6, 2011 9:20 PM CST up reply actions
I would also be curious to see this NFL-comparison between Iowa and Michigan over the last 5 years.
I know in the last two years it’s Iowa 10, Michigan 5 and this year, Michigan is very possibly not going to have a single player drafted. While Iowa is graduating 20-something seniors, so we are about to leave Michigan in the dust.
Read up: http://thegazette.com/2011/01/06/iowa-is-what-michigan-wants-to-be-like-in-big-ten-football/
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Two years ain't much of a sample size
Try going back a little further.
Since 2006 (using the same 5-year period) Michigan has had by my count 21 players drafted, including 7 in the first 2 rounds.
http://www.drafthistory.com/colleges/m.html
Since 2006 Iowa has had by my count 18 players drafted, including 3 in the first 2 rounds.
For giggles
Even a clearly past it’s prime traditional powerhouse like Notre Dame has had 19 players drafted since 2006, including 7 in the first 2 rounds.
This year
Based on ESPN draft projections it looks like Iowa has 5 guys with a high likelihood of being drafted: Clayborn, Ballard, Klug, Stanzi and DJK. I think it’s pretty clear that DJK will not be drafted, but we will include him anyways.
Michigan has 4: Steve Schilling, Obi Ezeh, Troy Woolfolk (injured), and Jonas Mouton. Don’t ask me how there are 3 guys off that defense that could be drafted but that’s what ESPN has.
by JSB on Jan 7, 2011 1:15 AM CST up reply actions
Those Michigan guys? I'll believe it when I see it
Could be though.
Iowa also has three juniors considering the draft in Prater, McNutt, and Sash. All would probably be drafted if they left, but how highly is what they are exploring. So if they stay, that is three more for next year.
We are stocked with sophomores and have a 1st rounder sitting in that class in Reiff. Our TE is going to be drafted when he comes out. We have two DL players coming back who will be drafted when they come out. Our running back is looking like an eventual top draft pick.
I mean, Iowa is a better program right now. The reason Iowa is a better program is simple too, better coaching and better athletic department. We get more out of less. But now our less is becoming more. Our facilities are going to inch past Michigan’s and it will be years before a coach can get that program back to stability IMO. Because the Big Ten is moving forward without them.
I rank Michigan behind Penn State, Iowa, Ohio State of course, Nebraska, Michigan State, and Northwestern right now. They can catch up to Northwestern in the next few years maybe.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
I am a bit more bullish on Michigan's future
I couldn’t agree with you more about Iowa’s future assuming Ferentz and his staff are still in place. They have an excellent coaching staff and stability. But, I assumed that we were talking about if a new coach had to choose between starting his career at Michigan or Iowa. To me, that’s what better job means.
If Pat Fitzgerald or Jim Harbaugh, or whoever was deciding whether to start his career at Michigan or Iowa today which program would he choose? In my opinion, despite the progress that Ferentz has made, he would still choose Michigan because of the tradition, prestige, national name brand, better recruiting pipeline and better home state for high school football. On the other side of the ledger are fan expectations which are clearly more unreasonable at Michigan (although I think in Iowa’s case they have been raised significantly in the last 5 years). You also add current roster to the Iowa side of the ledger, although I think that is closer than you do.
I think you too easily dismiss Michigan’s program. If I was handicapping the next 4 years and who was going to have the best overall record over the next 4 years (assuming Michigan doesn’t hire a total dud as a coach) I would go:
(1) Ohio State
(2) Nebraska
(3) Iowa
(4) Michigan
(5) Penn State
(6) MSU
(7) NW
I actually think Penn State with JoePa is in worse shape than Michigan as he apparently refuses to to retire. Michigan’s numbers on defense are atrocious and barring a sudden change of events this years recruiting class is going to be a big hole, but it’s nothing that a good coach can’t dig out of. I also think you are underrating the talent Michigan has on offense. They have 3 good qbs, including 2 who could easily play in a pro-style system if coached properly in Tate Forcier and Devin Gardner. Robinson is a unique talent, they have some decent RBs and they have an excellent and young WR corps.
I think a good coach could win 5-7 games there next year, and get the program back on track. The question is whether they hire a good coach. Iowa already has a good coach, so we know where they are going. And again, I am no Michigan homer. I hate Michigan.
All due respect...Michigan is not ahead of
Wisconsin or Penn State or even MSU at this point. They are going backward next year anyway you look at it. New systems, transfers, etc. Too likely. Wisconsin is already a co-favorite with Ohio State for next year, with Nebraska right there. Iowa is going to do very well thanks to an awesome schedule. I would bet right now, a sizable amount of money, that Michigan has a losing record next year. That depresses the mojo needed for recruiting and so forth. Who wants to play for a team that doesn’t go to bowls or is embarrassed on TV? Not a ton of kids, but some kids will think they can change the world.
If it is Brady Hoke, that doesn’t set the world on fire. I think the window has closed on a game changing hire. So we are looking long term here I would bet.
If I were Michigan I would go for a real young, energetic coordinator (DB is on record for NOT wanting that) and then grow with him, support him and get back to where you have some decent talent and can play defense. Then maybe you get a Harbaugh rebound or similar. I think you are looking at 5-years to see the light of day and 10-years to be relevant again. That’s my guess. Big Ten teams like kicking sand in Michigan’s face still, and that makes it all the harder. I don’t see, for example, Iowa having much trouble with them for years to come and Nebraska either. MSU has broken through. So that is most of the division right there.
Tough times.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Did you not see the next 4 years thing?
I think you are way exaggerating how long it will take Michigan to rebuild. They are not that far removed from being a top-notch program. Kids in high school now remember when Michigan played Ohio State in a battle of #1 versus #2.
Michigan was at the top of the Big10 pile only 4 years ago. They had a bad cycle with a coach, who still did not recruit all that poorly. If they hire the right coach, they can be right back in the mix in the next couple of years.
It took Harbaugh four years and he's now the hottest coach in the past decade
so, yeah, if you catch that in a bottle, you can be back in four year. But, seriously, what are the chances that will happen? One in ten? one in twenty?
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
You really think Michigan today is worse than Stanford then?
Come on, Stanford had won 1 game the previous season. Michigan sucked this year, but they still had one of the better offenses in the country and won 7 games. Plus, it is easier to get guys to come to Michigan, a team that is less than 5 years removed from being a power, than a team like Stanford that hasn’t been decent since Steve Stenstrom was the QB.
Well, you just keep thinking Michigan is a decent coach and one recruiting class away.
See where that gets ya.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
That is what Nebraska thought when they hired a Super Bowl coach
Oklahoma thought it several times as well…like when they hired the U’s architect for one.
Tennessee thought it also…and that is Michigan’s contemporary doppleganger IMO. A recent power trying to find it’s footing after getting greedy, and I expect this Michigan coaching hire to look much like Tenn.’s latest hire.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Iowa is extremely lucky Bowlsby went OOC.
He can pick a football coach, that is for sure. Both Ferentz and Harbaugh were risky, brilliant picks. If he retains Harbaugh he clearly becomes a top-5 AD. He has no business being able to retain Harbaugh and Ferentz and get them paid in two mid-size programs in the same decade.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
Interesting theory.
Who’s the Derek Dooley of the Great Lakes region? I think Minnesota already plucked the best coach out of the MAC.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Derek Dooley is off the Saban coaching tree, right?
I think Skip Holtz would have been that sort of hire for them…but I have this weird feeling they are trying to get Pinkel from Mizzou. Spread offense with defensive awareness.
I think he would take it too.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
If I was Michigan I would make a run at
Brian Schottenheimer. While his make-up is pure professional football I think he is a very interesting guy.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Although...
Derek Dooley wasn’t even the best coach in the WAC at that point. Hell, he wasn’t even in the top three (Peterson, Ault, Hill). If he was Derek Johnson, he wouldn’t be the head coach at Tennessee right now.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Yep.
I’m not sold on Dooley right now.
He might be decent, or he might not be able to recruit and get himself fired in two or three years.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 8, 2011 1:17 AM CST up reply actions
Aren't you just pointing out how important the coach is though?
If a great program hires the wrong coach it is still going to fail. I don’t see that as evidence that it is a bad job. The fact that John Blake and Howard Schnellenberger failed at Oklahoma didn’t make it a bad job, it just meant that they didn’t hire the right coach.
And OU is a great example of how a power can get turned around in short order by a great coach.
by JSB on Jan 7, 2011 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
Please do not use the scientific method on BHGP,
and besides, all this crap about dependent variables is giving me a headache.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
Poetry is better
Roses are red
violets are blue
math is hard
and poetry is too.
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by The Bird Cult on Jan 7, 2011 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
I think you missed my point...
you’re arguing Michigan is a better place to coach because it used to win big and has a big reputation thanks to that fact. I’m arguing that the world is revolving faster and faster to the point that relying on your reputation has less and less effect on your future. I am also arguing that Michigan lost its way by getting greedy and the reverberations of that are not quite over. Combine those two and you get passed by and maybe for a long while.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
I agree think there is a lot of truth in what you are saying here
I actually really enjoyed the article and thought it prompted some very interesting discussion about the current state of college football.
Ultimately I disagree with your conclusion-Iowa is a more attractive coaching job than Michigan-it is an interesting idea nonetheless. The fact that we are even having this discussion shows how much Iowa has grown as a program in the last 10 years.
I think the next step for Iowa is to start regularly landing the Koundiajios of the world. Then with this coaching staff, I think Iowa could be a legitimate national title contender on a consistent basis and might become a better job than Michigan.
I just don’t think they are there yet.
by JSB on Jan 7, 2011 6:03 PM CST up reply actions
They were an injury away from a possible shot last year...
but yeah, I personally think they are some coaching moves away from it as well. Our coach is like a Volvo, and we need something just a bit faster, even if safety is a bit compromised. But it is fun being the only team that know how to win after the regular season. I give him that, he is the best of the lot on that one. At least now he is.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Michigan's Pro Prospects
On the draft: Schilling is a lock to get drafted. I actually think Woolfolk is a pretty good player too. Those linebackers have talent, but the coaching they got was so bad, it’s hard to say if they can be productive NFL players or not.
If Obi Ezeh gets drafted, Hunter sure as hell better get drafted, too.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
a cold slap in the face.
It’s a cold slap in the face to wake up one morning and realize that your once storied program has slipped to bottom tier and your coaching vacancy is in the “not so much” category. I’m sure it galls the hell out of Michigan fans to lose to “lesser” opponents like Iowa. My guess is that their football program needs more than just a head coach. They might be in need of a re-boot or re-branding of their product much like Iowa did when we hired Hayden Fry. The fan base and alumni need to be excited about this hire and recruits also need to be excited about playing football for Michigan. Whoever it is MUST understand Big Ten football, know how it’s played and take pride in that. It’s going to take some time to get things back in order. Kind of sounds like the Iowa Basketball program!!
That may well be true, and I think a lot of it is, but the humorous thing is no one in the Michigan crowd agrees.
They’re trapped in that ‘Harvard of the Midwest plus Jake Long and Tom Brady’ self-love thing. But they’re a pleasant, good state school in a dying state that just put a very talented high school football team on national display for three years. And the declining results at the end justified none of the means.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
by Bellanca on Jan 6, 2011 10:07 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Michigan (and by extension, the bulk of its fanbase)
is Norma Desmond, coming down the staircase. Delusional, mad, and utterly wrapped in a reality that no longer exists.
"If there's one thing Nixon is known for, it's class. Now let's cut this turd loose!"
- Richard Nixon's Head, President of Earth
by Bucketochicken on Jan 6, 2011 8:24 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd for a fantastic film.
"The forecast is zero. And the chill factor's high."
by ReadingRambler on Jan 6, 2011 8:26 AM CST up reply actions
I honestly think Michigan is becoming Notre Dame
they are kind of in this place where they left the past behind, in dramatic fashion, by hiring Rich Rod. Now, everyone knows they fucked up and while it took a while to get here even they know it, but if they now hire an old fashioned tackle and blocking coach they are admitting they fucked up.
I believe they are still—as a fanbase—at the stage where they just do not want to do that. That is why this next hire will fail. They are going to follow-up a bad hire with a soft hire. That’s my guess.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Hasn't Notre Dame hit bottom and started the slog back?
I am betting on Brian Kelly.
I mean, no way will they be the Notre Dame of old, but they aren’t going to be the Notre Dame of Willingham, either.
If Brandon is in denial the way their fanbase is in denial, UM hasn’t hit bottom and they’re going to have to get very lucky with this hire.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
Brian Kelly to me is
Randy Edsall with a passing game. 7 wins on average and some shocking losses (Tulsa), brain farts (the whole practice in the wind thing), and at the end of the day a coaching Rorschach test. I see a loser, whereas others see a winner.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
7 wins on average?
Not sure where you came up with that since the last time a Brian Kelly-led team won 7 games or less was in 2005.
Brian Kelly’s Record in I-A (also 2 national championships in DIV II)
4-7 (CMU)
6-5
9-4
10-3 (UC)
11-3
12-0
8-5 (ND)
Randy Edsall’s record in the Big East with UConn:
8-4
5-6
5-6
4-8
9-4
8-5
8-5
8-5
Who knows if Brian Kelly is going to be succesful at ND. I sure don’t. But don’t confuse his record with Randy Edsall. They really aren’t close.
I would argue the Big East is so bad, top to bottom, that in any decent conference
Edsall would struggle to average 5-6 wins a year. I don’t think he’s that great a coach.
"I'm gonna give you assholes a chance. What do you say we play a little Bangkok Rules?" ~ Snake Plissken
by The Bird Cult on Jan 6, 2011 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
Me neither
His record in the Big East is really very average. That’s the big knock on Brian Kelly too. But at least Kelly dominated the conference. Edsall was merely average.
Moreover, to prove how average Edsall is...
I think, as per usual, OU was overrated (because THEY’RE OKLAHOMA) this year, and the reason they got piss pounded (well, sort of, OU let them hang around way too long in the bowl game) is because, they’re just not that good… neither is OU, which says the Big East is even worse than it appears from the outside. I think of the Big East as a rusty 1992 Buick. It breaks every other week, and its always something that needs fixed, but most mornings, it will start and get you to the liquor store.
"I'm gonna give you assholes a chance. What do you say we play a little Bangkok Rules?" ~ Snake Plissken
by The Bird Cult on Jan 6, 2011 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
It was particularly bad this year
It’s actually had some decent showings in the past in BCS games. Louisville and WVU (twice) even won BCS games.
Part of the problem too is that any coach with a modicum of success in that conference (Petrino, RichRod, Kelly, Edsall) leaves for greener pastures.
And that's because the conference sucks
As much as we piss and moan about the Big 10 getting no respect, we have a much better shot of making a good BCS game and the MNC in the Big 10 than any Big East team does…
"I'm gonna give you assholes a chance. What do you say we play a little Bangkok Rules?" ~ Snake Plissken
by The Bird Cult on Jan 6, 2011 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
WTF are they?
"I'm gonna give you assholes a chance. What do you say we play a little Bangkok Rules?" ~ Snake Plissken
by The Bird Cult on Jan 6, 2011 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
I know, I was being an ass ;)
"I'm gonna give you assholes a chance. What do you say we play a little Bangkok Rules?" ~ Snake Plissken
by The Bird Cult on Jan 6, 2011 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
Really hard to consider Maryland
“greener pastures”, but the point stands. And the most surprising thing is that the one coach to NOT leave, Schiano, still hasn’t managed to break through (to SMA’s ever-lasting disappointment).
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
my ex wife
could coach in the big easyt
I don't intend to upset folks with the way I write it just happens,,,
That seems curious to me
Why are you so sure that Kelly is no better a coach than Edsall? I can’t imagine that you think it is easier to win at Maryland than at Notre Dame.
by JSB on Jan 6, 2011 9:15 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, I do think that.
look at the schedules of those two programs. It is the equalizer. You’re living in the 1990s dude. You do realize Boise State is better than Michigan now, right? And that TCU is a national power now? That Miami (FL) and Florida St., and Michigan and Notre Dame, all former relevant programs are just nice programs that are on par with Arizona or South Carolina…which is to say, no BCS sniff in the past four years and few impressive wins to speak of and plenty of spectacular losses.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Check that...So. Caroline beat 'Bama this year...so they are much better than Michigan.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
And you are living in the moment
I get it, you love a mid-level BCS team (I like Iowa too, they are by far my favorite Big10 team). And you see Iowa have success under one of the best coaches in the country. So, now you think that all programs have an equal chances of success. And for the moment Iowa is a better program than Michigan. And noveau riche programs like Boise State, TCU and Oregon are on fantastic runs right now. Just like schools like Miami, Georgia Tech, Washington State and Colorado went on fantastic runs in a previous decade. Eventually the coaches will move on and the runs will end.
History tells us that there are a few elite programs, USC, Texas, Michigan, Ohio State, Alabama, Oklahoma etc. that when they have the right coach will have success far beyond what the middle-class schools can.
Would you have been telling me in 2006 that Alabama was not better a program than South Carolina? Would you have been telling me in 2000 that USC was no better a program than Washington State? Would you have been telling me in 1998 that Texas was no better a program than Colorado?
And in case you haven’t noticed, Florida State was in the ACC championship game, compiled a monster recruiting class in 2010 and is on pace for another monster recruiting class this year. They will be back.
I think JSB is winning this argument, Stoops.
At one level, it’s as simple as looking at in-state contributions to the annual recruiting pool. Right now Iowa has three in-state recruits projected for this year’s class. How many D-I guys will get signed from Iowa this year by all schools? 10? How many from the state of Michigan: 100? The floor is just a lot higher at a Michigan because of the in-state pool. Something the new coach at Michigan will be able to do, as a last resort if he is hired on January 25, is just poach in-state MAC school recruits.
At the next level, I just don’t see a lot of Florida kids walking around wearing Iowa caps and talking about playing in the snow at Iowa. It’s a lot easier to get them to Michigan. I mean, we’re still recruiting guys like Hinkel, right? Guys their homestate schools don’t want. (That tall receiver from Texas is a zero star.)
I agree that the Iowa program has its stuff together, and that Michigan is today dysfunctional — and showing potential to slide into a pathological state. I disagree that high school kids value Iowa over a Michigan, in the manner that Matt Millen values the Iowa Way over what he’s watching at Michigan.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
You, actually, have convinced me he might be a complete rube
because his waiting to fire RR may end up being the dumbest thing an AD has done this year or in recent years. Unless, as you pointed out, he is crazy like a fox.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
My feeling is that he wanted RR to stay, and was banking on a good Gator Bowl.
The executive thing to do is to “get a guy some more help” while putting him on probation. That’s how a private equity-led board would address, initially, an underperforming company. Brandon made his money not working for Domino’s, but working for Bain Capital.
So I think he waited so that he could bring RR back on an extremely short leash, while forcing him to hire a new DC (i.e., a COO, in private equity-speak).
But if I am right, he badly underestimated the negative effect he had by withholding a vote of confidence in December.
In short, performance against Wiscy and OSU became so dreadful, he couldn’t publicly support the guy, signal a fourth year, and enable a productive month before the Gator Bowl.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
I also think he overrated his ability to nab Harbaugh if changed his mind and wanted to pull the plug.
All these Michigan guys are filled with these romantic, exaggerated perceptions of their institution. It’s like the old joke about Argentinians, as told by the Chileans. The Chileans say that if they could just sell the Argentinians for the difference between what they think they are worth, and what they are truly worth, they’d be rich.
Harbaugh has been around, he was intrigued, but the sea is parting for the guy right now. He could go to Michigan and rebuild it for $4-$5mm/year, and maybe succeed, and never get into the NFL if he fails. Or he could go to the NFL, knock down $8mm from Ross, fail, and still get the Michigan job later.
The scales have fallen from Harbaugh’s eyes, in regard to Michigan. They may be fully in place with Brandon.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
I think Brandon tried to be too cute
From what I’ve read, the Harbaugh-to-Michigan thing was all but a done deal last month. But Brandon didn’t want to force Harbaugh’s hand before the bowl game. In the interim, Harbaugh’s stock soared higher and faster than any coach in recent memory (read: he’s ridiculously over-valued right now) and Harbaugh realized he could command far more than what he was considering at Michigan. Right now, JH is the hottest girl in high school and every guy is asking her out ans she’s giving her attentions to everyone but those who were there before she lost the glasses/braces (Stanford, Michigan to a lesser-extent) for the guys who only just noticed her (the NFL). However, since this isn’t a John Hughes movie, she’s not going to end up with Duckie in the end and will instead end up with the pretty-boy jock.
And that will be nice. Then Harbaugh will go to the pros. And he and the 49ers will have the occasionaI weekend together. Which is nice. But chances are, one he’ll get wrecked and have a 2-14 season. He’ll be called a fraud. Harbaugh will say that the ownership is a cocktease and not committed to winning and they’II break up. And, at the end of the day, he’ll be back in the college game at an upper mid-level team, hoping to break through one more time.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Wait.
Didn’t Molly Ringwald end up with the pretty-boy, and not Duckie?
So, does that mean Michigan will get Harbaugh? After Brady Hoke tells UM that they are too good for him, and to follow their heart?
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 6, 2011 11:54 PM CST up reply actions
It's been a long, long time since I've seen Pretty in Pink
but you’re right. Guess I should have gone with a Can’t Buy Me Love reference.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Its still a great movie, whichever one, where the drunk Asian guy falls out of the tree
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by The Bird Cult on Jan 7, 2011 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
That's Sixteen Candles
but Molly Ringwald was in that one too.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Didn't the college boyfriend in Can't Buy Me Love
go to Iowa and wear an Iowa letterman’s jacket. I think he did.
He was probably
the last recruit we ever got out of Arizona
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Zing.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 8, 2011 1:20 AM CST up reply actions
Oh, so is that why they tried to invade the Falklands?
"Sentence fragments...just phrases!"
by ReadingRambler on Jan 6, 2011 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
Nah, they just really wanted the sheep
and they tragically underestimated the British resolve to fight for their sheep.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
To be honest,
looking at the options here, and assuming Harbaugh is not available, I think I would have been inclined to bring RR back, provided I could get comfortable with some senior staff additions/replacements.
I don’t think RR is a good Big Ten coach, or even a good Big Ten OC, but I would definitely try to get him a good DC and a couple of guys to do something with those special teams, rather than experience what I believe is about to happen.
The big thing for me is: Why doesn’t Michigan get better? RR is just not, apparently, a developmental coach. So if I were AD, I would say his 2011 MBOs were:
Three new hires/replacements, subject to DB approval.
Top 60 defense (top 40 in last five games) (i.e., get better as season goes along)
Top 20 offense (top 10 in last five games) (i.e., get better …)
No funny business with the NCAA.
Improved booster club interaction.
If he hit those MBOs, they win 9-10 games.
If he just goes sideways again, they go sideways (7 games).
Right now, if they bring in a back-to-the-future guy, they’ll be lucky to get to 5, and the bottom could fall out the way it did with Iowa when Ferentz came in and tore the place down so he could rebuild it in his image. Can you imagine a 2-10 season with this delusional fanbase?
Anyway, I am spending too much time on this, definitely. But these guys are in the tall weeds.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
That's what a lot of Michigan fans wanted
I think a RR-led Michigan would have had a great offense next year assuming they brought in Dee Hart (perfect fit as Slaton-type RB in his system) who was committed before the bowl game. If they could have even gotten their offense into the 70s, they would have been at least good enough to win 8 or 9 games.
As someone who detests Michigan, my dream scenario all season was that they fire RR and whiff on Harbaugh. It seemed pretty unlikely, but now it looks like it’s gonna happen.
A Ferentz style solution might be the fix for Michigan
And they’d only suffer two years.
Clean house. Start over. Be patient.
"I'm gonna give you assholes a chance. What do you say we play a little Bangkok Rules?" ~ Snake Plissken
by The Bird Cult on Jan 6, 2011 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
Yes.
I think RR had pissed off so many fans, and had enough character questions, that the situation was unworkable, even if they fired GERG and brought in a modern day Buddy Ryan.
The RR train officially sailed when he started making post-season banquets into Josh Groban karaoke night. Then came the Gator Bowl.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 6, 2011 11:57 PM CST up reply actions
RR was in the process of hiring a DC
After Brandon told him to get his shit together RR stated he didn’t have enough money to hire anyone decent. So, the MI booster club threw down a million to go out and find someone. He went out and started talking to the WVU DC (name escapes me right now) who was a little pissed at Coach Stewart throwing him under the bus after their last game of the season. RR and DC spoke, DC went to AD of WVU and said I want to stay but won’t with Stewart. AD said changes are coming but forgot to mention a lot of this to OC but told Stewart what DC said. Soooooo, entire coaching staff is peeved, none of them are speaking, game planning or practicing together. The first time the team set foot on the bowl game field was the 28th, when they ran out of the tunnel for the game. If anyone saw the WVU game before the Insight Bowl it was fairly evident there was strife.
It appears that RR dicked over WVU yet again, which really, really creates that much more love for RR in the state of West Virginia.
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by The Bacon Explosion on Jan 6, 2011 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
Haha sure guys...
Haha sure guys, Michigan is turning into Indiana. C’mon…this is about as biased or dillusional of a post as I’ve seen on BHGP. I especially enjoyed the part about Iowa’s facilities being better than Michigan’s.
Honestly, this would’ve bothered me had it been close to logical, but it is so irrational that I just got a good laugh out of it. Think what you want to think about Michigan, but this post is laughable at best to anyone not totally consumed by Hawkeye bias.
I, nay, we all thank you for a reasonable response.
I was particuarly enthused to see you a) add new points to our debate and b) argue with many of SMA’s specific original points.
"The forecast is zero. And the chill factor's high."
by ReadingRambler on Jan 6, 2011 8:44 AM CST up reply actions
Time for your meds.
But thanks for dismantling SMA’s logic so thoroughly and … logically. Humbled, here.
Did you hear that Michigan was in the Top 5 nationally in yardage this year? Incredible, the achievement.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
How many million did Michigan pay for each of RR's wins?
2.5 million buyout to bring him in, 2.5 million to get rid of him, 2.5 million a year for three years, figures to be about how much? I am not good with numbers.
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by The Bacon Explosion on Jan 6, 2011 8:48 AM CST reply actions
Michigan was into RR for over $10 million I read.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Maybe Stoops is on to something...
Gazoo: Iowa is what Michigan wants to be like in Big Ten football
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
SMA has to be psychic.
"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me
by BStylin Hawkye on Jan 6, 2011 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
Or Stoops is secretly Mike Hlas.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Or, as SMA likes to refer to him, Mike Hlog.
by The Mexican't on Jan 6, 2011 4:46 PM CST up reply actions
Ha! Well that's nice...you damn elephant, now go eat a peanut.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Excellent write up.
To build on the ‘how Michigan is not a desirable place to coach’ point. I don’t think that Michigan’s firing of RR can be understated. Three years is not enough time to give an NCAA coach a fair shake, especially if the program improves every year he is there.
The firing of Carr was akin to what Neb. did with Solich, but at least Neb. gave Callahan 4 years, and waited until he had a worse year than a previous one.
In short I think Michigan made a mistake firing both Carr & RR.
And I, for one, LOVE IT.
Hawks for the win and falafels for the vagina
by DoYouLoveHawksorHate'Merica? on Jan 6, 2011 5:38 PM CST reply actions
Apparently....
Northwestern is also a better coaching job than Michigan….since UM was interested in Fitz, and he shut them down, per ESPN’s Joe Schad.
http://twitter.com/#!/schadjoe/status/23154165224046592
Because there is no other reason that Fitzgerald might have turned down Michigan,,,,
Fitzgerald is irrational in his love for jNW. In his mind he probably thinks that NW is the best job in the Big10 and thinks all the other schools are doing it wrong. F that guy.
by JSB on Jan 6, 2011 6:18 PM CST up reply actions
In a way he's right
he has basically no expectations there. It’s like Indiana, and he has a love of the school being a former player.
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
by chitownhawkeye on Jan 6, 2011 7:46 PM CST up reply actions
I agree for Fitzgerald NW is a better job
He is a mediocre coach who would get run out of Ann Arbor in 4 years. He is much better off at Northwestern where they are happy with being mediocre.
Of course he doesn’t see it that way. He sees it that Northwestern is his dream school and that he will eventually build them into a national power. I suppose he is also from Chicago too, so that is a factor as well.
by JSB on Jan 6, 2011 8:19 PM CST up reply actions
7 wins at jNW?
They cart you around like you are some sort of god.
7 wins at Michigan? Your ass is out on the street picking through a dumpster.
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by The Bacon Explosion on Jan 7, 2011 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
who gives a crap about recruiting classes?
Iowa has never had great recruiting classes. a lot of our stars have been walk on’s or unknowns and many of the high profile guys Iowa Has gotten have been average or below average.
and frankly, michigan may have five star recruits, but you wouldnt know it from the record or from what you see on the field.
by justsomehawkeyefan on Jan 6, 2011 10:02 PM CST reply actions
The difference between coaching at Iowa and coaching at Michigan
If a mad scientist made an exact copy of Ferentz and his staff, with all the same knowledge, experience, and drive formatted into the clone brains, and then the exact copy was sent to Michigan to coach…
Who would win more games head-to-head? Who would recruit better?
Who would have higher expectations placed upon them as a result of the advantage they got?
Here’s the thing. Iowa is perhaps a more desirable coaching stop than other schools, but it isn’t because we are less demanding. It’s because we have less to work with that we don’t have the history of dominance that a Michigan or OSU does. And it takes a special kind of coach to be successful here. I look around the Big Ten, I don’t see many other coaches who could be successful at Iowa. Fitzgerald, Bielema, perhaps; definitely not Tressell. Because in order for Iowa to win as it has, it has to compete with less. We don’t have a Minneapolis or Milwaukee or Chicago in our backyard to fill our roster. Look at the population of the states that hold the schools in the B1G (and elsewhere) and compare it to their historical success.
All time wins rank – Team – State Population Rank
1 – Michigan – 8
2 – Texas – 2
3 – Nebraska – 38 (obvious outlier, they dominated the big 6/7/8 for years)
4 – Notre Dame – 15
5 – Ohio State – 7
6 – Penn State – 6
7 – Oklahoma – 28 (Oklahoma has historically gotten half its roster from Texas, so… 2)
8 – Alabama – 23
9 – Tennessee – 17
10 – USC – 1
11 – Georgia – 9
12 – LSU – 25
13 – Auburn – 23
14 – West Virginia – 38 (another big delta… take note…)
15 – Syracuse – 3
16 – Georgia Tech – 9
17 – Virginia Tech – 12
18 – Texas A&M – 2
19 – Colorado – 22
20 – Pittsburgh – 6
21 – Arkansas – 32
22 – Washington – 13
23 – Florida – 4
24 – Miami (OH) – 7
25 – North Carolina – 10
…
40 – Iowa – 31
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by rockyh on Jan 7, 2011 12:17 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
It probably gets even worse for Iowa if we adjust population by number of FBS/FCS schools.
IOW, Nebraska would remain 38; in the adjusted rankings, we fall into the sixties or seventies, I’d imagine.
Iowa can only do it with superior national recruiting and the coach-em-up with locals. Evidently the superior national recruiting is happening this year.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
Both of these are stellar points and hold much truth
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by therealCatnuts on Jan 7, 2011 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
Michigan is the ONLY state seeing population decline in the Big Ten footprint
to include Nebraska, since 1990. Every other state has seen modest to very modest uptick. Meanwhile, California, Florida, Texas are all going through the roof. Yet another challenge for the Michigan fantasy of being a national power.
I would say Nebraska is slightly larger given your point Bellanca. But, the advantage Iowa has is, a) location (being in Eastern Iowa pays huge dividends, b) liberal/progressive college town with wide range of studies, c) stability in conference and in coaching…to have only two coaches since 1979 and the current one being quite young still is a huge advantage.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
one question
liberal/progressive college town
This seperates Iowa from every other college town in the world how?
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Jan 7, 2011 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
Lincoln is a fine town. Rest of Nebraska, not so much
So I agree with SMKS on that specific location, but in other areas you’re crazy to think that.
Very few college towns are as nice or interesting as Iowa City. Maybe 15-20 others, with probably all of them being in one of the BCS conferences. Iowa City is a rare gem on the level of Madison, Austin, Eugene, Blacksburg, etc.
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by therealCatnuts on Jan 7, 2011 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
There is liberal and then there is Iowa City
It’s not Berkeley but it certainly is not Champagne or West Lafayette and here is my point, it is an open place. If you are a kid from NJ and you grew up in an urban environment and you visit Iowa CIty, it is a very different feel than say Norman, Oklahoma.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
I think you slightly underestimate the liberal/open-ness of Lincoln,
but point taken.
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by therealCatnuts on Jan 7, 2011 2:53 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know Lincoln and I would assume it has a similar feel to Iowa City as they have never had trouble getting
east coast players to go there. I think Lincoln’s greater challenge is that Get ’Er Done! guy. Any impression of Lincoln as liberal is cooked when you see him singing its praises.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
You're just offering these crucial opinions because
a) you’re supposed to be doing your P90X workout prep
b) you want to author the longest, non-game thread in the history of BHGP
c) you’re struggling emotionally, what with the wife saying you “used to be an appealing man”
I think it’s b), btw.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
Thank goodness
Didn’t want him anywhere near Ann Arbor.
by JSB on Jan 7, 2011 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
Then why has Iowa's recruiting been so mediocre for the last 5 years?
I think you make good arguments in theory, but the evidence doesn’t support them. Remember, we are arguing about whether a random coach would rather be at Michigan or at Iowa.
by JSB on Jan 7, 2011 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
It appears that Iowa will have a top 10 or top 15 class twice in five years.
This year’s crew was just ranked second in the Big Ten.
Anyway, to your point, Iowa recruits to a specific profile, and that profile is not the Rivals’ 5-Star board. They have no choice. We can call that mediocre, or we can say “Iowa recruits to a specific profile.” It depends on the year. Based on the recent unpleasantness (drugs?), you can bet the profile just got screwed down a little tighter yet.
Anyway redux, to your real point, a blind man would find it easier to recruit at Michigan. Then you could recruit to a euphemism like “specific profile” (i.e., he’s a project) and also rack and stack the bigshots.
Speaking of which, I just saw Cyrus, the 6’7" 325 pound high school senior, on the tv at lunch. These guys have stretch marks on their stretch marks, and they run as well as Shonn Greene. Too bad they usually don’t meet our specific profile.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
Based on what Metric?
The last 5 years on Rivals, Iowa was #42, UR, UR, #28, #39. The year before they were #11 and this year they are currently #25. So that is 3 top-30 classes in a 7-year period. For a program that aspires to win a major conference, I consider that fairly mediocre.
I actually don’t understand why more of you aren’t frustrated by that. Although his results have been good lately, Ferentz seems to be underperforming based on what he should be able to get as far as recruits. Coe and Walsh this year are nice additions, but I think Iowa should aim higher as far as recruiting.
- I don’t use Rivals because I think they are the best or have some special knowledge, just because they are the easiest to navigate. Recruiting rankings in general have their biases, but are to me the best proxy for determining whether a program is landing the most sought after high school players.
by JSB on Jan 7, 2011 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
Your fascination with recruiting rankings is only serving to
a) proved how poorly Michigan coaches and b) suggests their coaches don’t do their own evaluation. Both indict the program as a failure.
Is the goal to win a perception war or games?
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
How would you like to evaluate recruiting?
Everyone else in the college football evaluates it this way.
My metrics of recruiting success are as follows:
(1) Are you getting your top targets?
(2) Are you getting players that other top schools are also after?
(3) Are you filling all the positions on your roster?
None of those involve recruiting rankings. But, on a macro-level it is very hard to come up with objective ways to measure those things.
Is Iowa going into Texas, Florida, California etc. and taking players that the top schools in those states want?
You can’t argue that Ferentz is a master evaluator and can take under-the-radar guys and turn them into NFL prospects, and then at the same time argue that it’s just as easy to get top kids to come to Iowa as it is to Michigan.
If you want to be a complete recruiting agnostic, that’s your perogative. But it runs counter to what most in college football believe.
by JSB on Jan 7, 2011 4:12 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with you on (a), (b) is not necessarily the case
Another possibility is that most coaches in the country (as well as the recruiting services) view a pool of players as more desirable. That is why all of the top schools are recruiting many of the same players. Michigan is more successful than most at landing there players, so they end up with a higher ranking.
All rankings are really is a consensus view of how desirable a recruit is. Sure, Ferentz may be a great scout and find talent that the big boys are ignoring. But, that makes the Iowa job harder rather than easier than Michigan.
by JSB on Jan 7, 2011 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
Moneyball.
Iowa is Oakland, and Ferentz is Billy Beane. Make sense? We can’t compete with the Yankees (Alabama).
We play tackle football, most of the time.
Or the Mets
Or the Cubs
Or the Dodgers
Man, there’s some terrible management of MLB teams
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by therealCatnuts on Jan 7, 2011 5:34 PM CST up reply actions
I think that's a good comparison
Would you rather be the GM of the Mets or the A’s?
I’ll take the resources of the Mets with confidence that my skills can turn them around.
by JSB on Jan 7, 2011 5:56 PM CST up reply actions
Please, we take recruiting rankings lightly around here, and have fun with them.
But I think this year we’ll be ranked in the top 15 (see fanhouse) and that would make two in five.
The reason we take these rankings lightly is that the star recruits take us lightly. They think that Iowa City is where that asshole bought the woodchipper in Fargo, and whoa, don’t need to go to that school.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
Admit it. Wouldn't it be fun to have a 275 pound RB?
Imagine the carnage.
"I'm gonna give you assholes a chance. What do you say we play a little Bangkok Rules?" ~ Snake Plissken
by The Bird Cult on Jan 7, 2011 7:47 PM CST up reply actions
The answer is he'd rather be at Iowa
because all things being equal, and they are now, it’s a more rewarding job with the same amount of competitive upside and more quality of life. But, this is kind of a moot point now because Iowa will only hire within their narrow community, unlike Michigan who has now proved they would hire Jerry Glanville if they thought he would elevate them past Ohio State.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
You believe that
I think you would have a hard time finding many people outside the Iowa fanbase to agree with you.
Michigan is a higher profile job, if someone doesn’t want that, then sure Iowa is the better job. Ferentz apparently decided he prefers Iowa.
For others, they may prefer the accolades, along with the scrutiny that comes with being the coach of one of the tradition-rich programs in college football history.
by JSB on Jan 7, 2011 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
Greg Schiano prefers Rutgers
Les Miles prefers LSU
Jim Harbaugh preferred Stanford, then the 49ers and he was raised in AA and it was his dream job.
I am certain others have quietly turned down offers to speak with Michigan as well. But, fine, live your rewind.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
That's not a fair comparison
When you say one job is better than the other, you are talking about starting from scratch at one of two places. You are talking about choosing between two jobs, neither of which that person currently possesses and has built something there. If Harbaugh started out at Michigan, surely he wouldn’t leave there for Stanford. Same for Schiano and Rutgers.
Apparently the 49ers job is more desirable than the Michigan job. That’s a fair comparison.
I have actually never heard that Miles was definitively offered the UM job last time around. We do know that Michigan was able to hire a guy who had a top 10 team at WVU in Rodriguez the last time around.
If you want to make the argument that Michigan isn’t so much of a better job than those other schools that coaches wouldn’t leave something they already built to take on a rebuilding project, then fine. I can agree with you there.
by JSB on Jan 7, 2011 4:07 PM CST up reply actions
Internet scuttlebutt is that Miles had an affair with Moeller's wife.
Moeller is Brandon’s good friend.
Somehow, based on internet scuttlebutt, I am not betting on Miles to be the next HBC at MICH.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
If DB had any brains
He’d be looking for a KF style coach and preaching patience to the Michigan faithful right now. For them to get back to being a solid winner and NOT losing their name brand advantages, that’s a 3-4 year rebuilding project IMHO.
They are WAY behind Sweatervest right now in terms of being competitive with him – in fact, right now Iowa is more competitive with tOSU than Michigan will be for the foreseeable future.
"I'm gonna give you assholes a chance. What do you say we play a little Bangkok Rules?" ~ Snake Plissken
by The Bird Cult on Jan 7, 2011 7:49 PM CST up reply actions
Les Miles
I actually think that Les Miles is the best choice for them right now. I don’t believe that he will be able to take them to the promised land, but of all the available candidates he has the lowest floor.
They went with a relatively risky hire last time around (huge transition to a new system). You are proposing another risky hire (young unproven coach). I don’t think they can afford another miss. Miles has proven that he can win and take the pressure of a big-time program. He also isn’t a “system” coach, so he can hire an offensive coordinator that runs a system suited to their current personnel. Also, Miles is fairly old and has a good track record for hiring top notch assistants (Pelini and Jimbo Fisher). Miles is relatively old and could groom an assistant to take over when he retires.
Well, my initial argument is that today
Iowa is every bit as appealing of a job as Michigan, in the abstract, and maybe even more appealing. I will freely admit that this was not true for the last 40-50 years.
It’s certainly an arguable point, but not as much as you are trying to make it out to be. I think I understand why too. Because it is not fun seeing a program that you care about fall off its perch.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Huh
I’m not a Michigan fan, so I’m not sure why you think I would be disappointed to see Michigan fall off it’s perch. If you are arguing that as an ND fan I want to see Michigan still have a high statute, that’s really not true. I would love to see Michigan struggle for the foreseeable future. I have particularly enjoyed the Harbaugh-circus.
I also don’t see how you can claim that I am biased, but you as a Hawkeye fan aren’t. I seriously doubt if you posed this question to the rest of college football fandom that the argument would come out on your side.
Iowa would not eve request an interview with Brady Hoke
so I think my argument just got stronger today.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Harbaugh grew up in Iowa City as well
while his dad was an assistant at Iowa for 1-2 seasons. My grandmother was his 2nd grade teacher.
OH NOES!!! HE’S GOING TO TAKE THE IOWA JOB!!!!
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I honestly don't remember which school she taught at
that probably makes me a horrible grandson. In my defense, she’s been retired for 25 years.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
More liberal than you'd think at that school
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Jan 7, 2011 9:33 PM CST up reply actions
Iowa City is Limbaugh Central compared to Bezerkeley
Trust me on this. Bezerkeley is completely out of control.
But I do like stopping at The North Face outlet.
"I'm gonna give you assholes a chance. What do you say we play a little Bangkok Rules?" ~ Snake Plissken
by The Bird Cult on Jan 7, 2011 3:38 PM CST up reply actions
Help Question.
Is there a keystsroke in Safari that jumps the screen to the next new (unread) post?
Thanks.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
Yes, you just enabled further distraction.
How did you know?
We play tackle football, most of the time.
And described as such between the post and the start of the comments
in the italicized area.
Not trying to be a dick, honestly. Just not sure how to not come across that way on the internet at times
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Jan 7, 2011 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
Pfft
Who reads directions?
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Took me about 6 months to notice those instructions
So, not me either.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Jan 7, 2011 5:22 PM CST up reply actions

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