Cael's Epic Fail: Iowa Wrestling Topples #1 Penn State, 22-13
WHOOOOOOO.
Sunday's dual was supposed to be a changing of the guard moment at the top of college wrestling. It was supposed to be the official changeover from the recent run of Iowa dominance to the first coronation of our new Penn State overlords. Granted, it would be only a dual meet win in January -- no trophies would be handed out at its conclusion, no banners would be hung for its victor -- but it was still supposed to be a turning point. It was going to mark the end of Iowa's 72-meet unbeaten streak and confirm Penn State's ascendancy. Penn State had been steamrolling the rest of the nation, had ascended to the #1 ranking after Cornell's loss to Lehigh last week, and featured a team loaded with not just highly-touted recruits, but wrestlers who had been extraordinarily good in action this year -- they had seven wrestlers who entered the meet ranked in the top ten (all matches they were favored in, incidentally). Hell, even I picked a Penn State win in my preview on Friday, the second time in three weeks I've been wrong about picking against Iowa -- maybe I should learn my lesson.
But after the events of Sunday's dual, when Iowa won three of the seven matches in which they were underdogs (and six matches total), and virtually coasted to a 22-13 victory thanks to a molten-hot start, it might be wise to hold off on that coronation. National titles aren't defended or lost in January, but this was a statement win for Iowa: we're still here and we're not going anywhere yet. Like the immortal Ric Flair says, "To be the man, you still gotta beat the man." No one's done it yet. And my crow? It tasted delicious, especially after I washed it down with more of Cael Sanderson's tears.
#11 Iowa 22, #1 Penn State 13
125: #3 Matt McDonough FALL (4:16) Nate Morgan (Iowa, 6-0)
133: #10 Tony Ramos DEC (3-2) #5 Andrew Long (Iowa, 9-0)
141: Montell Marion DEC (11-9) #5 Andrew Alton (Iowa, 12-0)
149: #5 Frank Molinaro DEC (10-3) Mark Ballweg (Iowa, 12-3)
157: #3 David Taylor MAJ DEC (12-4) #14 Derek St. John (Iowa, 12-7)
165: #14 Aaron Janssen DEC (6-2) Jake Kemerer (Iowa, 15-7)
174: #2 Ed Ruth DEC (10-3) #13 Ethen Lofthouse (Iowa, 15-10)
184: #16 Grant Gambrall DEC (8-3) #6 Quentin Wright (Iowa, 18-10)
197: #14 Luke Lofthouse MAJ DEC (17-6) Nick Ruggear (Iowa, 22-10)
HWT: #5 Cameron Wade DEC (1-0) Blake Rasing (Iowa, 22-13)
So what was the key to the dual? Maybe it wasn't the match points (though Iowa won there, 67-60) or the takedowns (Iowa won there, too, 23-14) or the bonus points (Iowa had four to Penn State's one). Maybe it was what was going on between the ears:
"It’s an opportunity, a big opportunity and you either seize the moment and take advantage of it or you don’t. If you look at the tape, they wanted it more than us. I’m not sure how that could be possible but that was the case today," Sanderson said. (emphasis added)
It's possible because that's the one part of coaching you still haven't figured out, Cael. Your ability as a recruiter is second-to-none; no one questions the talent you've been able to draw to Happy Valley. Your technical acumen is generally excellent; most guys improve under your tutelage. But that final piece, the motivation factor? The ability to get a team performing at its highest level in the biggest meets and the most important settings? The ability to win with not just guys who have staggering natural talent (your David Taylors and Ed Ruths), but the other guys, the scrappy guys who weren't coveted by every single program in America? You still haven't figured that out. It's why your Iowa State team choked with the Midlands title in its grasp two years ago. It's why your Iowa State teams never put it together at the NCAA Tournament, despite frequently having plenty of talent. And it's why you've never -- not ever -- beaten Iowa.
He’s 0-9 against Iowa, though.
Translation: A team on which Sanderson was a member or coach has never beaten the Hawkeyes.
As an undergrad at Iowa State, he was often the only member of the team to score points in his team’s dual meets, but his team still went 0-4 against the Hawkeyes. Then, he lost three more times to his in-state rival as a coach at Iowa State. And Sunday’s loss was his second as the coach at Penn State.
How did Iowa win every NCAA Tournament, every Big Ten Tournament, every National Duals Tournament, and every Midlands Tournament they entered for three years? Not by having more talent than everyone else, although they weren't exactly lacking in that department, what with guys like Brent Metcalf, Mark Perry, Jay Borschel, Phil Keddy, Dan Erekson, Ryan Morningstar, Matt McDonough, and so on. They won because they consistently figured out ways to win or eke out points, even when things went sour or got tough. Sometimes raw talent isn't enough. Sometimes talent trips or chokes -- that's what happened two years ago when a loaded Iowa team had to scrap and claw its way to a second-straight national title. That title didn't feature a single national champion (and only one finalist, Brent Metcalf); it was won by guys who battled back through the consolation bracket to rack up points after their national title dreams went down in flames early on.
Or as StateCollege.com's Steve Sampsell put it:
The Hawkeyes compete hard every minute. They never stop.
They’re Iowa. And you’re not.
On a literal level, there's some obviously hyperbolic exaggeration in that statement -- Janssen and Gambrall too often seem content to settle for decision wins, Rasing is too often happy to handfight for six minutes and go hard for the final minute, and St. John occasionally seems too passive -- but as a general ethos? It's dead on. It's McDonough not settling for anything less than a pin. It's Marion fighting back after going down 5-0 early and throwing Alton around like a ragdoll while Alton tries to lay motionless on the mat. It's Lofthouse the Elder constantly going for takedowns even after securing a major decision. Hell, it's even there things are going bad, like an undersized Mark Ballweg working his ass of to avoid giving up a major decision loss.
But as sweet as this win was -- and oh my was it ever sweet -- it doesn't change the point I made in the first paragraph: national titles aren't lost in January -- and they aren't defended, either. It's entirely possible -- maybe even likely -- that Iowa is a better dual meet team and Penn State is a better tournament team, which could serve them well come the Big Ten and NCAA Tournaments. They came up short today, but there's no doubting the fact that they have serious talent on their team. Taylor and Ruth are absolutely legit and look like strong contenders to be finalists. Molinaro is very tough as well and could benefit from being in a division that isn't terribly deep. Long and Alton came up short today, but they're still talented wrestlers capable of making deep runs in a tournament. (Wade might also fit the bill there, but frankly I haven't seen a single heavyweight this year that's been hugely impressive, so I don't know what to make of that division.) Wright too could wind up being a force if he can ever stop doing his drummer from Def Leppard impression out there on the mat. That's a lot of firepower. And they already have some tournament bona fides -- they won the Southern Scuffle, a tournament that had many of the best wrestlers who weren't at Midlands (a tournament where Iowa famously crashed and burned to a disappointing fourth-place finish).
There's no question that Iowa's wrestling better now than they were a month ago, when the Midlands mishap occurred, but there's also no way of knowing how they'll respond to the peculiar pressures of tournament situations until they're inside that crucible again. McDonough seems like an obvious choice to go deep at a tournament. Probably Marion, too, on the basis of his NCAA runner-up finish last year and his sensational 2011 debut yesterday. Outside of them, though? Ramos, Gambrall, and Lofthouse the Younger have been looking better lately. Mark Ballweg might be the third or fourth best wrestler on the team -- but he seems stuck behind the second best wrestler on the team and may have to wrestle up a weight the rest of the year. Lofthouse the Elder is good enough to pummel lesser guys, but still struggles against top contenders. St. John is still a little inscrutable. And Blake is Blake. This is still a team with a lot of question marks come March. But it is a team that's improving as the season (and that could get better still) and it's a team coming off an impressive win over a very good Penn State team. Right now that's pretty good -- and we'll take it.
A few other thoughts:
125: The value of having a guy like McDonough be able to lead off dual meets is tremendous, especially when he's in a pinning mood the way he is now (pins in three straight matches and four of his last five).
133: An impressive win by Ramos over Long (who's working on his own Cael-like streak of futility against Iowa: he's 0-5 against Iowa wrestlers now after going 0-4 against McDonough last year). The takedown that proved decisive was lovely and he was able to get deep on a few other shots; he also did a great job of escaping sticky situations when Long got deep on a few of his own shots.
141: Wow. After an opening period that went from quiet to disastrous by giving up a five-point move on a really slick takedown by Alton, Marion completely turned things around in the second and third periods. Judging by this match, he's been doing little but drilling takedowns and working cardio during his suspension. He looked like he could go another seven minutes at the end of the match and he worked some beautiful takedowns on Alton. This was one hell of an emphatic return for Marion and he should be a big boost to Iowa's lineup going forward.
149: With Marion's return, it looks like the Iowa lineup is once again a one-Ballweg party, although in a bit of a surprise it's Ballweg the Younger manning the 149 spot and not Matt Ballweg. Ballweg was clearly undersized, but he showed great tenacity against Molinaro and got in fairly deep on a few of his shots; with a little more size and strength he might have been able to finish them. It's hard to say what he might be able to do the rest of the season at 149, but the good news is he probably won't see anyone better than Molinaro (until the NCAA Tournament, anyway) and he looked more promising than any other option we've seen at this weight so far. It's hard to envision either Matt Ballweg or Jeret Chiri preventing Molinaro from getting bonus points.
157: A challenging weekend for DSJ ended in a split, with a win over one top-ten guy (jNW's Welch) on Friday and a decisive loss to another one (Taylor) today. On one hand, there's no shame in losing to Taylor right now: he's wrestling at an exceptionally high level. On the other hand, it clearly showed how much work DSJ has to do to get near the top of this division. His bad habit of letting guys in on his legs reared its ugly head again this weekend and while Welch couldn't make him pay, Taylor did -- over and over and over. DSJ's getting better, but he still has a lot of things to improve on.
165: More business as usual from Janssen. He won in a match he was expected to win; maybe that'll have to be enough for now.
174: Like DSJ, Lofthouse had the misfortune of running into an absolute buzzsaw yesterday. Now we have a better idea of what opponents felt like when they took on Metcalf or Borschel or McD. Ruth is a really good, really funky, really slick wrestler and Lofthouse didn't have many answers for his skill or his speed. On the other hand, he was able to fight off some shots and he did keep things to a decision, so it was hardly a failure. But this was a measuring stick match and the only thing that's really clear is that Lofthouse still has some distance to make up.
184: A solid win for Gambrall, even if it did come against a one-armed man (alert Dr. Richard Kimball!). To be fair, Wright's shoulder has been a problem for a while and he's still racked up some wins, so Gambrall deserves some credit for being able to ride Wright as hard as he did. It still would have been nice to see him push for a few more points, but for now Gambrall is looking solid. After his flameout at Midlads, that's progress.
197: Another overmatched opponent, another lopsided win for "The Leg." It's hard not to like Lofthouse the Elder: he's far from the most naturally talented wrestler, but he's a scrapper and he always goes hard (as he did yesterday, in racking up takedown after takedown to lock up a major decision win). Now if he could just finish a few of his takedowns against top competition...
HWT: So much for the all-new, all-different, all-attacking Blake Rasing. It was nice while it lasted. And, again, if he'd just attacked for a few minutes as hard as he did in the match's final thirty seconds, he might have pulled out a win here. Maybe next time.
NEXT: Indiana at Carver-Hawkeye Arena, Friday, February 4th, 7pm CST (VIDEO: bigtennetwork.com; $$$/AUDIO: KXIC)
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Why are all Central PA writers hacks?
They’re Iowa. And you’re not.
They compete hard to be hacks every minute. They never stop.
They’re hacks. And you may be too, I guess, but they’re worse.
"As long as he behaves himself in this town, I ain't got no, ah...jurisdiction." - Link Appleyard, NCAA Compliance Officer
Like broken clocks and blind squirrels, even hacks are right every now and then.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Brent Metcalf's Twitter:
“I wonder what school Cael is going to go to now to try to beat us.”
by mikjones24 on Jan 31, 2011 8:28 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
It takes a special attitude to be Number 1 and defend it against a hungry foe
Iowa has done it for years. To me, Penn State looked like deer in headlights . And even Taylor was rattled by DSJ, but his talent is so immense he couldn’t find a way to lose. If DSJ was more on par with him though, I think even Taylor loses. His whining about the hand fighting was what poker players call a “tell.”
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
I’m not sure how someone complaining because he didn’t like DSJ immediately sticking his hand in his face makes him “rattled”.
"As long as he behaves himself in this town, I ain't got no, ah...jurisdiction." - Link Appleyard, NCAA Compliance Officer
by ReadingRambler on Jan 31, 2011 9:24 AM CST up reply actions
And by face I mean eyes.
"As long as he behaves himself in this town, I ain't got no, ah...jurisdiction." - Link Appleyard, NCAA Compliance Officer
by ReadingRambler on Jan 31, 2011 9:26 AM CST up reply actions
There is no place in wrestling for cheese and wine
And it looked to me like Taylor had a whole case of Reisling.
"I don't believe in quotes" - Karl Klug
Sorry.
There is no place in any non-boxing sport for guys using the eye as a target.
I don’t see how it’s whining to think that. Moreover, in response to Stoops, I simply don’t see how one could watch that match and think Taylor was the rattled wrestler (For one, Taylor complained once or twice early on and then almost immediately moved on to dominating). Am I the only one who remembers seeing DSJ show visible frustration after one takedown?
"As long as he behaves himself in this town, I ain't got no, ah...jurisdiction." - Link Appleyard, NCAA Compliance Officer
by ReadingRambler on Jan 31, 2011 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
No doubt that Taylor
dominated that match. But the fact remains that Penn States best wrestler wasn’t tough. If he was touching his eyes the ref would have called it – after the warning, points would have been awarded. The whole team wasn’t tough and that is why they lost. Cael better recruit the top 10 wrestlers every year because if toughness and will to win are required to win championships then this won’t be the only time fans are disappointed.
"I don't believe in quotes" - Karl Klug
I am not going to argue about Taylor’s “toughness” when he was clearly a better wrestler in essentially all facets than his opponent. I see that as being comparable to arguing about “intangibles” in football.
"As long as he behaves himself in this town, I ain't got no, ah...jurisdiction." - Link Appleyard, NCAA Compliance Officer
by ReadingRambler on Jan 31, 2011 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
What was weird
was that it was obvious that DSJ wasn’t doing anything illegal after that first one where the ref warned him. From then on, it was perfectly legal hand to the forehead. The ref was right there watching the entire time and didn’t say a word.
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on Jan 31, 2011 9:37 AM CST up reply actions
I might not be worth the effort to argue.
The narrative that seems to be emerging from many PSU fans is that the Iowa wrestlers are dirty little cheapshot artists who thug it up and the Brands are low-class jerks.
I suppose we can’t all be gentlemanly enough to wear faux-cumberbunds on our singlets and painstakingly groom our Bama bangs.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
None of that makes me wrong, Ross!
"As long as he behaves himself in this town, I ain't got no, ah...jurisdiction." - Link Appleyard, NCAA Compliance Officer
by ReadingRambler on Jan 31, 2011 10:15 AM CST up reply actions
They must have missed
Molinaro throwing some pretty heavy hands to Ballweg’s face. Wrestle that dual 10 times and I think Iowa wins 9. Iowa’s wins didn’t look so much like upsets as what was expected.
I thought there was doucheyness from both sides.
I think Taylor was the PSU wrestler who was trashtalking in the direction of Iowa’s bench after his match.
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 31, 2011 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
Oh, by the by
I’m pretty sure Penn State is only the 50th fanbase to come up with that narrative.
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 31, 2011 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
I'm aware of that.
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 31, 2011 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
You are right
Taylor didn’t really look rattled to me. He is very good. I think the eye poke is a by-product of styles. St. John likes to hang out on the perimeter of a guys’ range and prod for his shot. Taylor is always moving forward and staying low. I think that combination made it more likely that St. John was going stick his hand about eye level as Taylor was moving forward. I didn’t see anything real malicious about it.
RR...this is at you
Brands would rip a guy a new asshole if he complained they Taylor did. I realize he is a freshman and the emotions were high. It’s just a POV that might differentiate the two programs, the two coaches and maybe even the two fanbases. I think Taylor revealed he could be bothered there, taken out of his focus. He just was so much more skilled than DSJ it didn’t evolve into an advantage for Iowa.
I wrestled, like a lot posters here, in H.S. and had a Brands like coach. Hand fighting is one of the oldest bait and switch tactics in the books. DSJ never tried to poke him in the eye, his hands were up and Taylor was leading with his head. That was the purpose of his using his hands, to get lower by having Taylor raise his head to avoid the hands. Taylor kind of whined on the first one and then made it issue. The ref brushed him off, yet he complained again. Even Sanderson ignored it I thought.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
by StoopsMyAss on Jan 31, 2011 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
ooops
“complained they Taylor did” should have been “complained the way Taylor did”
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
by StoopsMyAss on Jan 31, 2011 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
100% true
If Taylor were from these parts he would have been laughed off the mat.
"I don't believe in quotes" - Karl Klug
How was he taken out of focus?
I mean, where we watching different matches?
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 31, 2011 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
I understand your point of view on it
I do…but the truth is, he should have pinned DSJ…losing 12-4 was practically an Iowa win. No back points for only the second time this year for Taylor. Right?
In the NCAA’s if he complains about guys putting hands to his face, he will be in serious trouble. As it is, now, for the rest of the year every guy he wrestles is going to do it. He’s dominant but this is a small crack in an otherwise air tight skill set.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
by StoopsMyAss on Jan 31, 2011 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
I agree with you
and I agree with RR. I think that Taylor stopping the match because of the contact is reasonable. However, I also saw a little complaining from Taylor about getting poked, which I agree really doesn’t fly too well in the upper echelon of college wrestling.
I’ve saw Metcalf get punched and kneed in the face and that guy didn’t stop the match or really complain once. He just punished. I think it is BS that Molinaro brings up the eye poking stuff. That guy should be taking a long look in the mirror himself. How do you not major an underweight underclassmen?
What narrative
Ross I enjoyed you’re review of the match, and thought it was accurate. But I’d love to see where the narrative is forming from the Penn State fan base that Iowa is made up of thugs. There maybe a few out there but every fan base has it’s crazies.
I agree with RR’s argument all he’s refuting is the point that Taylor was rattled. I agree he lost his cool a little bit but to say that he was rattled when he manhandled St. John is a bit much.
Also on the post match radio show in State College, Taylor said he though the pokes to the eye were unintentional and that he was mostly stopping because he was having issues with his contact.
Also the argument that if DSJ was more on par with Taylor he would have beat him is probably the most laughable thing I’ve ever read. That’s like saying if Nate Morgan was more on par with McD he would have wrestled a close match. There’s clearly separation there although I feel DSJ has improved a good bit from the beginning of the year.
The narrative point has cropped up here and among a few Penn State fans that I've seen.
But there’s some hyperbole on my part, too and a little poking fun at Rambler; I think you, Rambler, etc. have been reasonable.
And I agree that if Taylor was rattled, it didn’t last long — he got around to kicking DSJ’s ass pretty quickly.
Also the argument that if DSJ was more on par with Taylor he would have beat him is probably the most laughable thing I’ve ever read. That’s like saying if Nate Morgan was more on par with McD he would have wrestled a close match. There’s clearly separation there although I feel DSJ has improved a good bit from the beginning of the year.
I think there’s a difference there. DSJ has beaten Taylor in competition within the last year, so there’s some precedent for him being able to beat Taylor. Granted, Taylor has also improved considerably since then and is much better right now. I think DSJ can absolutely wrestle better than he has so far this year. Would a “better” DSJ be able to beat Taylor? I don’t know — Taylor looks really, really good. But I think he’d have a shot.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
"There maybe a few out there but every fan base has it’s crazies"
This. I know I wouldn’t want to be judged by what gets said over at HR. Although RR does seem to be taking this loss a bit harder than I would’ve expected…
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on Jan 31, 2011 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
Good Lord
Am I sick of that argument. Yes watching McD slam Morgan to his back and hold him there was slightly low class – he should have been gentleman enough to let him up and fight on. Watching MM’s superior conditioning in the third period win his match while actually letting Alton back up on several occasions indicates poor coaching and character, watching Ramos out hustle and think Long for seven minutes shows he is nothing but a street fighter and only got lucky with a unseen (by the ref, apparently all the fans in the arena saw it) shot to the balls and watching Lofthouse the Elder out work a guy without top level talent is poor sportsmanship, he could have forfeited again this meet.
Maybe Cael will figure out how to beat Brands but at this point he is Brand’s bitch and until he can knock Iowa off those fans comes across sounding like a bunch of whiny children.
You can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning
by The Bacon Explosion on Jan 31, 2011 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not so sure the narrative may not have a bit of accuracy to it . . .
I see Cael and PSU as the master technique guys and Iowa as more down and dirty.
I for one don’t have that big of a problem being the evil, thuggish, hated empire of darkness.
In every other goddamn sport Iowa are the nice scrappy guys who sometimes surprise you.
In wrestling, we come in, kick your ass, bang your girlfriends, steal your food, poop on your porch and go home laughing.
I was thinking the same thing.
Iowa wrestling has that “swagger” Stoops is always clamoring for in football.
Of course, I still firmly believe swagger is overrated and just another word for arrogance (I have my reasons), but to each his own and who am I to argue with so many titles?
"As long as he behaves himself in this town, I ain't got no, ah...jurisdiction." - Link Appleyard, NCAA Compliance Officer
by ReadingRambler on Jan 31, 2011 2:10 PM CST up reply actions
I have no problem with swagger and confidence
What I have a problem with is people essentially saying that we’re dirty wrestlers (ie, cheaters). Iowa cheat. I like to think that we outwork and outperform. It’s one thing to assume that you’re going to win (see Gable X on the warmups) and another to claim that you’re purposefully poking people in the eye in order to win.
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on Jan 31, 2011 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
Penn State has no problem with the Iowa style
Taylor’s style would fit in at Iowa very nicely and for that matter, Cael Sanderson’s style when he was the Iowa style. Both are/were non-stop pressure, always moving forward and pressuring your opponent with the ultimate goal of pinning them. If you don’t think that McD has excellent technique then you don’t know wrestling.
"You’re talking about things that are real. That’s real. In those other dual meets, it wasn’t real, but now it’s real." ~ Tom Brands regarding the Iowa State dual.
I didn't mean to imply that Cael or PSU wrestlers thought that
More that PSU has some uneducated fans that were throwing around accusations. I know that the majority don’t think that and it takes a while for a fanbase to learn the difference between stalling and defense among other things, but it bothers me to hear accusations of cheating. I would love if we would’ve gotten Taylor… or Ruth for that matter. Those guys are just like McD is for us. Young leaders who willdominate for 4 years. I really don’t like to see them in anything other than an Iowa singlet.
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on Jan 31, 2011 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
I know what you were saying
spend 15 minutes reading themat.com and you would think Iowa was nothing but thugs and goons who manage to win through superior conditioning and Tom Brands cheating. People on that site would argue that Metcalf won solely because he had a bigger motor when the fact he (and McD) have such an arsenal of offensive weapons that they string together 3, 4 and 5 different attacks one after another until their opponent doesn’t know what hit them. Then they tenderize their victims and secure the major by doing the takedown and release game until the guy doesn’t know up from down. Then they go for back points, again using multiple holds and finally they go for the pin. There is a huge amount of technical proficiency involved in what they do, but they do it with such power and so relentlessly that the technique is easily lost in the carnage.
"You’re talking about things that are real. That’s real. In those other dual meets, it wasn’t real, but now it’s real." ~ Tom Brands regarding the Iowa State dual.
swagger is not over-confidence and swagger is not puffery
to me at least. I know a lot people think of swagger in those terms, but to me swagger is acting like you belong, believing in yourself and not sticking your hands in your pockets and looking down at the ground in some faux display of humility. Iowa wrestling has oodles of swagger to me. It is not unusual for Iowa guys that are not ranked hit the mat like they are defending national champions. Iowa football is NOT Iowa wrestling.
First, Iowa football as recently as the 1970s was among the worst football programs on the planet. It takes decades to get over that and we have only recently arrived with any sort of confidence and a memory wiped clean of that miserable era. Iowa wrestling on the other hand does not have that skeleton to deal with but instead has nothing but memories of winning and winning big.
Second, Iowa football has a couple of decent years of semi-dominance in its history. Iowa wrestling has many, many, many years of utter dominance. But importantly, you can’t swing a dead cat in Iowa City without hitting former National Champions in wrestling and they are all available for the current guys to talk to and pick their brain. Iowa football has like five icons of many years gone by.
As a result, Iowa wrestling has far greater self-esteem (if you can put it that way) than does Iowa football. I call it swagger.
With regards to Brands versus Ferentz, that too is night and day. Brands is hyper focused on winning but doing it the right way. Ferentz is hyper focused on doing it the right way, and puts in a workmanlike effort to accumulate more wins than loses. There really is no football version of Brands. If there were, it would be a weird concoction of, say, Nick Saban (hyper focus on the details of winning), Bill Snyder of Kansas State (integrity and single-mindedness), and Jim Leavitt (hyper-intensity).
Kirk would never expend the energy that Brands does. Few coaches of any sport would, could or do. To me, he is a descendant of Gable as they both think they can literally will guys/teams to victory. KF is far to pragmatic in that regard. Most football coaches are, to be honest.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
you think brands can be an assistant coach in his spare time for the football team?
hell, just to put some of that swagger in our players.
by justsomehawkeyefan on Jan 31, 2011 9:22 PM CST up reply actions
Brands = Teddy Roosevelt?
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Jan 31, 2011 9:55 PM CST up reply actions
I go with the Miami definition and the definitions given me by a Google search:
A very confident and typically arrogant or aggressive gait or manner.
to conduct oneself in an arrogant or superciliously pompous manner; especially : to walk with an air of overbearing self-confidence
1. To walk or conduct oneself with an insolent or arrogant air; strut. 2. To brag; boast.
"As long as he behaves himself in this town, I ain't got no, ah...jurisdiction." - Link Appleyard, NCAA Compliance Officer
by ReadingRambler on Jan 31, 2011 10:03 PM CST up reply actions
Those are contemporary overly simplified definitions, and reject the word's etymology
if you look at its origin then you realize swagger has been hijacked (like many words that make it’s way into American English).
Shakespeare introduced the world to the word. He did not have the Miami Hurricanes in mind. Trust me. Swagger is to walk with a lordly strut. Read Midsummer Night’s Dream, and then go watch a replay of the Iowa Hawkeyes wrestlers walking to the center of the mat this past Sunday, then you will have deepened your vocabulary significantly. The British, now and historically, do not engage in bombast.
BTW, what the “U” did getting off the plane in 1987 I would define as more of a feminine display. In the animal kingdom that Miami team would have been Peacocks—display behavior to seek attention (they were hardly interested in the game, they were more interested in the pre-game and the hype). Iowa wrestling is more along the lines of a bachelor Cape Buffalo, behavior that says I am on this earth to conquer and subdue.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
by StoopsMyAss on Feb 1, 2011 9:57 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You are a ridiculous man.
"As long as he behaves himself in this town, I ain't got no, ah...jurisdiction." - Link Appleyard, NCAA Compliance Officer
by ReadingRambler on Feb 1, 2011 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
I take that, of course, as a compliment
my good man.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Come on Stoops.
Ferentz is hyper focused on doing it the right way, and puts in a workmanlike effort to accumulate more wins than loses.
Clearly you have it out for Ferentz but even you can’t believe that statement.
what is so off-base about that statement
and I love Ferentz…I can criticize and l still love. The dude is very processed oriented and I believe that winning is secondary to a some things that he holds more near and dear.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Process oriented and focused on winning
are not mutually exclusive.
You mention Brands and he is a perfect example. He doesn’t just want to win, he wants to win the Iowa wrestling way. In no way, shape or form does his desire to win in a certain manner diminish his desire to win period. He hates how guys like Ryan Morningstar wrestle and tries his damndest to change it but if the kid is going to continue to wrestle that way and is the best wrestler at his weight, he gets the nod.
Likewise, you criticized Ferentz for clearly having it out for DJK yet DJK was a 4 year starter and became Iowa’s all-time leading WR under Ferentz.
I think Iowa's motto is more Vini, Vidi, Vici
Iowa expects to win, they come to your place and beat you, and then they move on to the next opponent. In thirty years, no one has really found an effective way to deal with this. At Iowa, every guy on the squad (even the 5th string walk on) is trained to believe that he will be a National Champion, if that is thuggish or evil then I don’t want them to be good.
A wrestling match is a fight, you have to be mean. It is the most personal sport there is. There is nothing more personally devastating in sport than being pinned in front of your family and friends, while some guy rubs his armpit in your face and just squeezes your lights out. The mental edge that comes with being mean is what made the difference on Sunday. Steve Mocco had a great line about why he loved wrestling and it had to do with when you beat a guy in wrestling he will never be the same. There is truth to that and the reason why you need more than technique to get it done.
Leave my man Jay Cutler out of this!
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Jan 31, 2011 7:01 PM CST up reply actions
EPIC CAEL

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Jan 31, 2011 8:46 AM CST reply actions 17 recs
He had the Gorbachev birthmark thing going in his postmeet press conference
I guess he is going to have to move to Russia to find the wrestling talent to beat those Iowa kids.
How can I not rec this?
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on Jan 31, 2011 9:02 AM CST up reply actions
Is that the younger Sanderson looking
like he pinching a major loaf.
"You’re talking about things that are real. That’s real. In those other dual meets, it wasn’t real, but now it’s real." ~ Tom Brands regarding the Iowa State dual.
He is also pale.
His favorite greenstuff is kale
In Monopoly he bogarts the “Get out of Jail”
He likes his women to have a treasure trail
He’s not man enough to toss a Solon hay bale
“Friends” call him Gail the Snail
When you say Stalin, he says Hail. OK, this has gotten to be a stretch. I just like that his name rhymes with Fail.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Jan 31, 2011 9:01 PM CST up reply actions
I can't say enough about Mark Ballweg
that kid wrestled one hell of a match. I am not sure what Molinaro’s pinning strategy was, but it seemed that if he couldn’t horse Mark over he didn’t know what to do. I think Ballweg frustrated the hell out of him.
I think both Ramos and Marion will beat those guys worse next time. Long really didn’t even threaten Ramos and Alton (the stall monster) had one offensive move that Marion really gave him by getting out of position on a shot.
I agree
Seemed that Marion showed some competitive rust. Alton is a good wrestler, and with Marion not having competed against people outside the Iowa room, its at least understandable that the probability of getting caught in such a move increases.
High school you see a lot of neck wrenches, but college it seems much less common.
by Bearhawkroar! on Feb 1, 2011 2:56 PM CST up reply actions
Lofthouse the younger had opportunities
some great shots by Lofthouse turned into points for Ruth. Lofthouse had a great chance when Ruth shot and almost ended up on his back in the 3rd. I also thought Rasing looked ok. That guy has to attack ealrier. The near takedowns on the edge of the mat have to converted. Lofthouse elder did some great work keeping his opponent in the circle when the action was near the line. Maybe Rasing should take a hint and finish; i thought that should have been a win. DSJ has to step it up; Taylor is a monster but DSJ let him into his legs way to easily. He looked tired.
"I don't believe in quotes" - Karl Klug
Give MM another 1:30 and it would have been a major
I was amazed at his conditioning and focus. Could be his time away from the program is the best thing to happen to his wrestling. Just one match but against #5 he looked damn good.
You can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning
by The Bacon Explosion on Jan 31, 2011 8:57 AM CST reply actions
This is a huge deal
Being out of the wrestling room for so long makes what he did to Long borderline miraculous. If he keeps up his intensity he’s gonna do some awesome things.
"I don't believe in quotes" - Karl Klug
I agree.
I was not second-guessing the announcers when they were questioning, at the beginning of the match, if Marion could finish the match hard considering how long he’d been out. But damn, he was definitely in better shape and the better wrestler, than Long.
141 lbers. YOU ARE ON NOTICE!!!
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
141 is a doozy of a weight class in the Big Ten.
Alton is good, Russell (Mich) is very very good, Kennedy (Illinois) is good, and Mike Thorn (Minny) is good. And now we’re throwing Marion into the mix. That’s probably five of the top six guys, nationally.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Yeah, definately the most stacked weight in the conference
I still can’t get over Jimmy Kennedy getting beat in a pigtail at the ‘09 NCAA’s and coming back to get 3rd. After that I’ll never count him out of anything.
Everyone knows God is a Hawkeye
Yep.
My guess is that 141 will be the weight to watch at the Big Ten Tournament this year.
I think McD and Precin will roll through 125 on their way to a rubber match. 133 will be good between Graff (Wisco), Long (PSU), Futrell (Illinois), and Ramos. 149 should come down to Molinaro and Schmitt (Wisco). I think Taylor smokes the field at 157. Ditto Ruth at 174, although Blanton (Illinois), Manuel (OMHR), Glasser (Minny), and Lofthouse may be able to make things interesting. 165 depends on Howe’s health; if he’s injured and out, I think it’s a pretty wide open weight for the rest of the Big Ten. 184 is a tough weight to call. 197 also looks really competitive with Brandvold (Wisco), Yohn (Minny), Powless (Indiana), Brown (OMHR), and Biondo (Michigan)… plus hopefully Lofthouse is able to make a run. And, as usual, I have no idea what to expect out of heavyweight.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Don't Be Surprised...
During his suspension, Marion has been working out pretty constantly with Metcalf…plus its sounds like Marion has basically worked his ass off this entire time keeping in shape, keeping in wrestling shape…
The only thing he needs to do now is to knock off the competition rust. Getting thrown in the fire yesterday and coming back the way he did I think showed a lot to Brands and the other coaches.
Marion might just be your 141 starter for the rest of the year…the question is..Ballweg isn’t a natural 149er….So..does Chiri come back in the mix? Or does Brands start maybe trying out some of the other 149ers he’s got down on the roster?
by FlyingDutchman1 on Jan 31, 2011 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
its too early to answer the 149 question
if i had to guess though, im thinking he keeps ballweg at 149 and sees how he does once he gains some extra weight. he has been one of the better wrestlers so far this year so im sure he will get a shot to show what he can do at the weight and frankly i think he is a better option than anyone else at this point. Next year is going to be where we experiment and figure out who is the best fit there.
but yeah, Marion locked up the 141 spot with that win
by justsomehawkeyefan on Jan 31, 2011 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
I appreciate Chiri's effort early in the season, but he was outclassed. He was getting smoked in a lot of his losses.
And if Brands didn’t feel comfortable putting Gillmor or Sebert on the mat before, I’m not sure why he’d do it now.
I think it’s either Mark or Matt Ballweg; it’s a shame we can’t smash them together to make one super-Ballweg for our purposes here. Matt has the size, but not the skill; Mark has the skill, but not the size.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I would bet it's Mark
Sure Mark is more effective at 141, but that’s water under the bridge now. He weighed in at 141 Sunday. I don’t know how much he’s cutting to get there, but if you give him a few weeks to put on a couple pounds (or not cut as much), I think he could be effective at 149. By effective I mean top 3 at Big Ten’s (I’d like to think he could beat Nadir), maybe round of 12 at NCAA’s. But even if you think Matt and Mark are a coin-flip today, leaving Mark out there is better for us, and him, in the long-run.
Everyone knows God is a Hawkeye
Agreed that Mark looks like the best bet.
I was impressed with his ability to hang with Molinaro fairly well yesterday. 149 could be his spot next year, too, since it looks like Marion will be difficult to unseat at 141.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Mark is a gamer but
it takes more than a couple weeks to build up to the next weight class. Everyone is cutting and will bet that Mollinaro had at least 20 pounds on Ballweg when the match started. There is an excellent article by Randy Lewis called “”http://www.insidetexaswrestling.com/news/cutting-weight-the-dark-side-of-wrestling/" >Cutting Weight, the Dark Side of Wrestling" that is worth the read.
"You’re talking about things that are real. That’s real. In those other dual meets, it wasn’t real, but now it’s real." ~ Tom Brands regarding the Iowa State dual.
He clearly had a weight advantage but "at least 20lbs" is pushing it
Good read, and I’m familar with cutting, but since they changed weigh-ins from the day before to within an hour of the meet, that game changed. You can only put on so much water weight in from weigh-in til you step on the mat.
That’s also why I prefaced my statement with “I don’t know how much he’s cutting” (as in, everyone does it, just a question of how much). If he’s cutting a lot, it won’t take him nearly as long to adapt to 149 as if he’s not cutting much.
Everyone knows God is a Hawkeye
You are probably right but
Mollanaro looked to be 30 pounds bigger tha Mark. That guy has to be the biggest 149 pounder in the NCAA
"You’re talking about things that are real. That’s real. In those other dual meets, it wasn’t real, but now it’s real." ~ Tom Brands regarding the Iowa State dual.
He may have a career in midget bodybuilding
I saw him at a restaurant after the NCAA finals last year. He’s no more than 4’ 3" tall.
Everyone knows God is a Hawkeye
but he probably has a 60" chest
"You’re talking about things that are real. That’s real. In those other dual meets, it wasn’t real, but now it’s real." ~ Tom Brands regarding the Iowa State dual.
Marion was chosen as Athlete of the Week by TheMat.com
And it almost looks like Sanderson thought the ref was in the wrong place on the five point move and that he feels it should have been a pin.
by Carfino'sWay on Jan 31, 2011 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
I tried to post the link to the article but apparently I didn't do it correctly.
Sorry.
by Carfino'sWay on Jan 31, 2011 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
Well if it's any consolation...
In 2007 we got screwed on a quick pin call that gave them the meet… so maybe its karma.
Everyone knows God is a Hawkeye
Great win against a very good team
McD: Unstoppable right now. He is on a tear.
Ramos: Great win. He improved his head/hands defense immensely over where he was a month ago. He’s always had the offensive ability, but he finally learned how to fend off a good shot.
Marion: Not many wrestlers win against a quality opponent after giving up a 5 point move in the opening period. Marion’s cardio looks amazing. He was barely breathing hard at the end of the match, which was the difference. This should really help him come tourney time when there are multiple matches in a day.
Ballweg the Younger: He looked like he has the speed and skill to get it done at 149 but is lacking the power to finish moves and to fend off good shots. He was also rode like there was no tomorrow, but if he puts on some weight I see him having success here next year.
DSJ: What to say about him? He’s got the talent but he doesn’t seem like he has the motor quite yet. He really got killed in scramble situations against an opponent who might be the best in the country. I think DSJ will be ok but as of right now I only see him as a fringe AA.
Janssen: Boring win that should’ve been bigger. Right now watching him reminds me of watching M*. If he can duplicate M*’s senior year results I’ll be more than happy with that.
Lofthouse the Younger: He had no chance in this match. Ruth looks amazing and I couldn’t see any way which Lofthouse takes this one. Amazing job holding this to just a decision.
Gambrall: Solid win against a good, but injured, opponent. Not quite sure what to make of this one.
Lofthouse the Elder: He has the drive and attitude of a great Iowa wrestler (he was completely gassed at the end of the match and hurting but still shooting and forcing the action) but just lacking some skill that would put him in the next level. One thing I can never question about Lofthouse after his match is his effort – Second to none.
Rasing: I think he had a really good strategy for upsetting a better wrestler – keep the match close, try to tire them out and take advantage at the end of the match. Unfortunately, I think he waited too long to press the action in the 3rd. If he would’ve started with shots right after the escape, we might be talking about Rasing having the best upset of the dual.
Overall, Brands proved he is a better coach than Cael. The Iowa guys held all but one match to a decision when PSU got the points and came out ready to get some upsets. PSU has talent oozing out of their ass right now but they’re lacking that something that makes a champion. Watching Long and Alton, it was like they couldn’t believe what was happening and I put that one on Cael for not preparing them for the intensity with which Iowa came out.
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
Cael coaches like he wrestled
he was so much better than everyone else that he never had to come out with a lot of fire. Now he can’t instil it in his wrestlers. Look at the way Brands wrestled; pure fire and the guy had to work for everything.
"I don't believe in quotes" - Karl Klug
Reminds me of a former Iowa basketball coach.
Sometimes if is comes to you too easily you can’t pass it on to others.
by Carfino'sWay on Jan 31, 2011 9:28 AM CST up reply actions
This, absolutely.
I find that it is easier to have a passion for things that you had to work at, and therefore it would be easier to impart that passion onto (unto, onto, unto?) unto others. If something comes easily to you, what are the odds that you would have the same passion for it as opposed to something that eluded you and demanded more of your effort and attention?
Going, going, going, going, going, going, going, going.... Alright, I'll stop for now.
by EnergizerHawk on Jan 31, 2011 9:42 AM CST up reply actions
George Raveling?
I keed!
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Jan 31, 2011 7:10 PM CST up reply actions
I think Raising underestimates himself
and that may be why he is not aggressive against top competition. think about it. against guys who are unranked and unknown he comes out and does his damnedest to throw them around the ring, but against ranked competition he tends to hold hands, play it safe. honestly i think if he was agressive he would be a top 10 heavyweight.
by justsomehawkeyefan on Jan 31, 2011 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
Rasing goes into a shell way too often.
I thought he was coming out of his cocoon (Tim Doyle’d) after the last few matches, but apparently the hesitation is still there against good foes. His gameplan last night was pretty sound, but he still needs leave more than 30-60 seconds to actually be aggressive on offense.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Exactly my point
I wouldn’t be suprised to see Rasing make a run at the Big Ten tourney and for AA status at Nationals.
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on Jan 31, 2011 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
Nothing would really surprise me out of the heavyweights this year. It seems like a bit of clusterfuck weight.
But until we see Rasing actually do well against a decent opponent, it’s hard to have much faith in him.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
He lacks in-match confidence
yesterday we was being given that match and he didn’t realize it until too late. Great wrestlers smell blood in the water. I thought an example of that was Marion. He knew his opponent was tiring and he immediately got a second wind and pressed forward hard.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
by StoopsMyAss on Jan 31, 2011 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
Bit of a chicken-or-egg problem, then.
He won’t get confidence ‘til he wins, but he won’t win ’til he wrestles with confidence.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
It was always Egg
Anybody who thinks Chicken is a dirty God-lover
/Dawkins’d
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Jan 31, 2011 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
When the chicken both weigh 275 pounds
you have to take a little care or you will get your eggs crushed. Heavyweight wrestling is so much more a pressure/counter pressure endeavor than lightweight wrestling. While even a novice can turn a jet ski on a dime, the titanic is another thing. If you get that weight moving too hard in the wrong direction, you can end up on your back. Raising is making progress and if the coaches will keep working with him in the room, he has potential. He certainly stuck with the #5 guys pretty well on Sunday. Personally, I thought it was a stupid move for him to take neutral in the second period but hindsight is 20/20.
"You’re talking about things that are real. That’s real. In those other dual meets, it wasn’t real, but now it’s real." ~ Tom Brands regarding the Iowa State dual.
Agree. The few times he actually lowers his level and drives it's amazing what he can do
It’s like he has 3 shots.. the reach down and tap the guy’s leg, the lower his level but don’t penetrate, and the full-on high crotch single. Certainly has the potential, just needs to quit playing head games with himself.
Everyone knows God is a Hawkeye
Custom made from head to toe
How funny that in 1989 they were talking about Ric Flair and is “final” shot at the title. They were only off by 20 years. Kinda like the six Ozzy retirement shows I’ve seen since 1991.
by ChrisKingsbury30Footer on Jan 31, 2011 9:59 AM CST reply actions
HOW DARE YOU TALK ABOUT PRO WRESTLING
THIS IS AN IOWA BLOG AND ONLY IOWA BLOGGY THINGS MAY BE DISCUSSED OMG HAWKEYES LOL SMH
/guy from the Royal Rumble thread’d
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Jan 31, 2011 10:10 AM CST up reply actions
Haven't followed Pro Wrestling in a while
but I read most of that thread… Is that guy a new poster who doesn’t know what BHGP is all about?
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on Jan 31, 2011 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
He started 4 fanpost/fanshots during his time here
He was just pouting and trying to find as many horesshit excuses as he could. He complained that the front page didn’t have enough Iowa news lately, even though not a single article on the site over the last week could be filed under “batshit insanity” so the guy was clearly off his rocker.
by The Mexican't on Jan 31, 2011 3:52 PM CST up reply actions
I am not a pro wrestling fan either but I have a question
How many of those big belts do they hand out? It seems like almost every pro wrestler photo has a big belt hanging over their shoulder. I’m guessing that they are too tight for them to actually wear but I wish the NCAA handed them out; that would be awesome.
"You’re talking about things that are real. That’s real. In those other dual meets, it wasn’t real, but now it’s real." ~ Tom Brands regarding the Iowa State dual.
I would have no problem with this.

"You’re talking about things that are real. That’s real. In those other dual meets, it wasn’t real, but now it’s real." ~ Tom Brands regarding the Iowa State dual.
by Kluginator on Jan 31, 2011 4:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
There are a whole lot of title belts in pro wrestling.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
And if you think American pro wrestling like title belts, well...

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
So does this mean the Iowa is off of the "white out" list now?
by PackerHawk on Jan 31, 2011 10:14 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Of course not.
We will not rid ourselves of the opportunity to sell more t-shirts.
"As long as he behaves himself in this town, I ain't got no, ah...jurisdiction." - Link Appleyard, NCAA Compliance Officer
by ReadingRambler on Jan 31, 2011 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
I like the white outs
after all the post game/meet sobbing is done you can have a wet t-shirt contest
At this point
I’m starting to believe that the only color Penn State fans wear is white. I imagine walking on their campus and seeing nothing but white; oh wait.
"I don't believe in quotes" - Karl Klug
It’s possible because that’s the one part of coaching you still haven’t figured out, Cael. Your ability as a recruiter is second-to-none; no one questions the talent you’ve been able to draw to Happy Valley.
How hard is it to recruit Pennsylvania high schoolers to Penn State? Is Mack Brown an incredible recruiter, was Urban Meyer? Every year it seems like 25-30 of the NCAA Division 1 All Americans come from Pennsylvania. Can you imagine what Tom Brands or John Smith could do with all that in-state talent. The only incredible thing was that Sunderland was such a lousy recruiter. When he had to recruit head to head in iowa against Brands he lost miserably which is a big part of the reason that he jumped ship for PSU in the first place. If Cael is a great recruiter then the kid yanks my lobster from the tank at Red Lobster is great fisherman. Cael was an incredible wrestler but he has done nothing as a coach that many others have not done a whole lot better.
Oh and also, he is a prick and douche bag.
Go Hawks
"You’re talking about things that are real. That’s real. In those other dual meets, it wasn’t real, but now it’s real." ~ Tom Brands regarding the Iowa State dual.
Is a guy a prick and a douchebag just because he’s an Iowa State guy?
"As long as he behaves himself in this town, I ain't got no, ah...jurisdiction." - Link Appleyard, NCAA Compliance Officer
by ReadingRambler on Jan 31, 2011 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
You missed the point
He’s a prick and a douchebag because he’s a PENN STATE guy!
Just kidding, you know we love you guys over there.
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Jan 31, 2011 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
Douche Baggery and Penn State
are not mutually inclusive and Cael was born a douche bag. Iowa State made him a prick.
"You’re talking about things that are real. That’s real. In those other dual meets, it wasn’t real, but now it’s real." ~ Tom Brands regarding the Iowa State dual.
Agree to disagree a bit, I guess.
He obviously has built-in advantages in appealing to Pennsylvania kids at Penn State, but it’s still not a guarantee that he’ll get them. And he attracted some good talent to ISU — Varner, Reader, Zabriskie, etc. I guess if you wanted to press the point you could argue that he’s only coached at two of the places with the most built-in talent, so he’s stacking the deck in his favor to start with, but hey. I think there are other flaws in his coaching that are more apparent and more costly and it’s worth focusing on those and conceding that he’s a good recruiter.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
wrestling more than other sports
Seems to be the one where the top guys jump from school to school to follow a coach so to get Long to follow him to PSU he had to be doing something correctly.
You can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning
by The Bacon Explosion on Jan 31, 2011 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
Right now
I think a lot of his recruiting success comes from getting guys that still remember his wrestling success. It will be interesting to see if the recruiting stays at a high level when he has to try to get kids that have never seen him wrestle a match. It seems that most of his recruits, whether at ISU or PSU, bring up his personal on mat success as a big reason for them joining his team. That is fine, but eventually his coaching success is going to matter much more to recruits than what he did at ISU 10 years ago.
What?
Wasn’t Long dismissed from the team at ISU? What choice did he have but to follow Cael?
by Bryce Carlson on Jan 31, 2011 1:33 PM CST up reply actions
We're still the team everyone loves to hate
I know this dual doesn’t decide anything other than this dual, but it was great to see the aggressiveness and fire. On the whole, this is probably the best we’ve wrestled as a team all year.
On the national picture, this year has more parity than any in recent memory. Philly in March is going to be fun.
Everyone knows God is a Hawkeye
Is that from a Beach Boys song?
"You’re talking about things that are real. That’s real. In those other dual meets, it wasn’t real, but now it’s real." ~ Tom Brands regarding the Iowa State dual.
so is there a reason most of you are so against Cael?
i get the penn state wrestling fan hate, those guys are dicks, and i know he was undefeated and that he went to iowa state, but any details as to just why there is an excess amount of hate to him?
by justsomehawkeyefan on Jan 31, 2011 12:48 PM CST reply actions
He secretly founded Cyclone Fanatic.
"As long as he behaves himself in this town, I ain't got no, ah...jurisdiction." - Link Appleyard, NCAA Compliance Officer
by ReadingRambler on Jan 31, 2011 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
I don't like the way the guy left ISU
I don’t appreciate his comments about being better able to win championships in Pennsylvania than in Iowa (despite there being no evidence for this). He had incredibly talented teams as ISU and couldn’t get it done. This dual reminds me of Brands’ first year as head coach at Iowa. Iowa beat ISU at Carver when they really shouldn’t have. M* upset one of Paulson’s.
ISU bent over backwards for Sanderson and I think he kind of kicked them to the curb when he felt like he had a better deal. Bobby Douglas doesn’t seem to have any warm feelings for the guy and he was his coach.
Again, I don’t have a problem with him taking the PSU job, just don’t piss all over the state of Iowa when you leave.
Perhaps – just perhaps – he felt it would be easier to build a program in a state where a) There are (Pretty naturally, due to population trends) more talented high school wrestlers and b) There is no program with 20 some national titles.
That comment seems fairly rational to me, not like an attempt to attack the virtues of Iowa.
"As long as he behaves himself in this town, I ain't got no, ah...jurisdiction." - Link Appleyard, NCAA Compliance Officer
by ReadingRambler on Jan 31, 2011 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
I'll take B for $1,000 Ram
I agree…Iowa had that short blip and now has a stranglehold. PSU also has NJ in their backyard, and that state is loaded with talent they might not want to go as far away as Iowa, etc.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
I guess that would make sense
but he had really talented teams at ISU. I think in 2009 ISU was heavily favored to win the NCAAs and flopped. I don’t want to continue a harangue against Cael. He is a fine coach and good for PSU for getting him. I personally think there is excellent wrestling talent in the midwest and I tire of the endless screed about the supremacy of east coast wrestling. I say go to PSU and be happy, but there isn’t any need to imply that you can’t win a championship with midwest kids.
But when did he imply that?
If anything he implied that he could better win with Eastern kids because the circumstances he saw at ISU.
"As long as he behaves himself in this town, I ain't got no, ah...jurisdiction." - Link Appleyard, NCAA Compliance Officer
by ReadingRambler on Jan 31, 2011 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
Perhaps it is just the way different fans view circumstances
I am not sure what it was at ISU that he thought would keep him from being successful. Iowa, ISU, and UNI have all had very successful programs for a long time and they have done it with a backbone of Iowa guys. Pennsylvania has very good wrestling and there is no reason to believe PSU can’t get a championship, but I don’t see there being any better chance of doing it at PSU than at ISU.
Cael going to PSU was a very smart business and career decision
There are probably 3 coaches in the NCAA who would have passed on the same offer – Brands, Smith and Robinson.
"You’re talking about things that are real. That’s real. In those other dual meets, it wasn’t real, but now it’s real." ~ Tom Brands regarding the Iowa State dual.
Yeah, I'm not criticizing the move
just the way he seemed to do it. I also think he should have released Jenkins to ISU.
I totally agree but
the guy is a douche bag and a prick; so the Jenkins thing was totally in character.
"You’re talking about things that are real. That’s real. In those other dual meets, it wasn’t real, but now it’s real." ~ Tom Brands regarding the Iowa State dual.
Do you know how strange it is to read comments like this after seeing you complain about the way non-Iowa fans talk about Iowa wrestling?
Seriously: He’s a douchebag and a prick just because he went to ISU? I expect this from a website called “Hawkeye Fanatic”, not this one.
"As long as he behaves himself in this town, I ain't got no, ah...jurisdiction." - Link Appleyard, NCAA Compliance Officer
by ReadingRambler on Jan 31, 2011 7:13 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think he's a douce ...
but I bet his tears taste like candy.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Jan 31, 2011 7:15 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know enough about Cael to judge his character.
But I do love watching him fail. That said, I’d have no problem with him excelling at Penn State so long as he continues to come up short against the Hawkeyes.
by The Mexican't on Jan 31, 2011 8:51 PM CST up reply actions
Reading
You are correct; I over simplified. Having watched his behavior at multiple duals in Iowa City and in Ames, the guy is always whining to the refs while crying about Brands behavior. People can say whet they want about Brands, he never disrespects the behavior of other coaches, In addition, others have already mentioned his treatment of Bubba Jenkins – ISU gave releases Cael’s brother and other wrestlers that Cael took with him to Penn State and then Caelrefuses to grant Bubba a release even though he made it known he was going to replace him with his brother – that is something a prick and douche bag would do. Ask Bobby Douglas what a upstanding guy that Cael is after he facilitated Douglas’ firing to take his job – total douche baggery. Could anyone imagine Brands disrespecting Gable in such away? Not a chance. I can go on but, I feel very comfortable in calling Sanderson a douche bag and prick;but other are free to disagree.
"You’re talking about things that are real. That’s real. In those other dual meets, it wasn’t real, but now it’s real." ~ Tom Brands regarding the Iowa State dual.
If he was a Hawk alum we'd revere him like he was Metcalf.
FACT
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Jan 31, 2011 9:02 PM CST up reply actions
If he were a Hawkeye alum,
was given the head coach job by getting Dan Gable fired and then skipped out after three years for more money; I don’t think hawkeye fans would revere him.
"You’re talking about things that are real. That’s real. In those other dual meets, it wasn’t real, but now it’s real." ~ Tom Brands regarding the Iowa State dual.
by Kluginator on Jan 31, 2011 9:07 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
I've been on the fence about Cael being a douche
mostly because I don’t know enough to form much of an opinion at all (and that’s coming from someone who needs very little information to jump to conclusions). You Sir, however, are starting to convince me of his douche baggery.
Well, at least you tried to give reasons this time.
"As long as he behaves himself in this town, I ain't got no, ah...jurisdiction." - Link Appleyard, NCAA Compliance Officer
by ReadingRambler on Jan 31, 2011 9:58 PM CST up reply actions
You don't have to agree with my reasons.
If I were a PSU fan, I would be all a giggle over the hire. PSU hiring Cael would be like Indiana hiring Michael Jordan as their basketball coach. He is arguably one the best to play the game and brings instant attention to a program that has been good but not great for a long while.
Sell the sizzle and hope that he is half as good a coach as he was a player a player.
"You’re talking about things that are real. That’s real. In those other dual meets, it wasn’t real, but now it’s real." ~ Tom Brands regarding the Iowa State dual.
Speaking personally
I have nothing against Cael. I think that he may be overrated as a coach because of what he did as a wrestler. The ability to do something well does not mean that the same person can teach others. Does that mean I hate him? No, just don’t have respect for him as a coach yet. Prove you can beat the best (ie, Iowa, Ok St, Cornell, Lehigh) and I’ll respect him, but I don’t have any hate for him (aside from when he wrestled… God I hated the Sandersons when they were at ISU wrestling). I think the thing that turned me off to him as a coach was watching him complain and whine at ISU-Iowa meets during his 3 year stint there. He just came across as entitled to win NC’s as a coach because he was the best wrestler.
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on Jan 31, 2011 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
Lehigh????
they have an okay team but they seem a little out of place on your list.
"You’re talking about things that are real. That’s real. In those other dual meets, it wasn’t real, but now it’s real." ~ Tom Brands regarding the Iowa State dual.
They haven't been a power in a few years
but they used to be a contender at Nationals almost every year. Mainly I was just trying to have some non-Big 10 teams since it seems like if I were to list the perenial powers it could look like homerism for our conference. I could’ve added Boise St instead and it wouldve made more sense.
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on Jan 31, 2011 5:20 PM CST up reply actions
Is there wrestling outside of Iowa?
I’m just kidding, of course, but it got me thinking of all the coaches with Iowa Hawkeye roots – either as wrestlers or assistants at Iowa. People marvel at Hayden Fry’s coaching tree but Gable’s tree is ginormous and still growing. Here are the Div 1 head coaches that I could think of and it is likely that I missed some:
Jim Heffernan – Illinois
Duane Goldman – Indiana
Tom Brands – Iowa
J Robinson – Minnesota
Tim Cysewski – Northwestern
Tom Ryan – Ohio State
Barry Davis – Wisconsin
Greg Randall – Boise State
Lennie Zalesky – UC Davis
Jim Zalesky – Oregon State
Kevin Dresser – Virginia Tech
Steve Martin – Old Dominion
Doug Schwab – UNI
David Ray – SIU-Edwardsville
Mark Perry – Cal Poly
On top of that, four of the top six ranked teams in wrestling have head coaches on the list above.
"You’re talking about things that are real. That’s real. In those other dual meets, it wasn’t real, but now it’s real." ~ Tom Brands regarding the Iowa State dual.
How many branches does John Smith have on his tree?
Of all of his accomplishments, I think that list is probably one of Gable’s greatest. It’s one thing to do it yourself, but it’s quite another to pass it on to someone else.
Everyone knows God is a Hawkeye
Remeber when AC Slater got a scholarship to wrestle at Iowa
by ChryslerKinnick on Jan 31, 2011 4:04 PM CST reply actions
Yeah, and then he didn't even come here.
What a dick.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I think Zalesky was coaching Iowa at that time.
"You’re talking about things that are real. That’s real. In those other dual meets, it wasn’t real, but now it’s real." ~ Tom Brands regarding the Iowa State dual.
I thought Jack Trainer was the coach at Iowa then.
Or so they said on the show.
BTW, Raygun has an t-shirt that says “Fact: A.C. Slater Almost Wrestled At Iowa.” With a mulletrific picture of AC.
by Carfino'sWay on Jan 31, 2011 5:55 PM CST up reply actions
Didn't Jack Trainer live up stairs from Mr Furley
with the thigh master saleslady and some homely girl?
"You’re talking about things that are real. That’s real. In those other dual meets, it wasn’t real, but now it’s real." ~ Tom Brands regarding the Iowa State dual.
He was a dick but
he totally did it with Jessie; who was really hot.
"You’re talking about things that are real. That’s real. In those other dual meets, it wasn’t real, but now it’s real." ~ Tom Brands regarding the Iowa State dual.
I dunno.
She was the third-hottest girl on that show, as well as a druggie and, later, a stripper.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I will buy that Kelly was hotter but are there is no way that
Tooties daughter was hotter than Jessie.
"You’re talking about things that are real. That’s real. In those other dual meets, it wasn’t real, but now it’s real." ~ Tom Brands regarding the Iowa State dual.
Can't wear tank tops outside in the winter, that's why
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Jan 31, 2011 7:16 PM CST up reply actions
Love this ...
The Hawkeyes compete hard every minute. They never stop. They’re Iowa. And you’re not.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Jan 31, 2011 6:56 PM CST reply actions
The still on that video...
reminds me of Stewart from Beavis and Butthead.
Oh how I miss Beavis and Butthead.
You may already know this but
new episodes are on the way: LINK
My porn name is HogOfHawkness
by HeartOfHawkness on Jan 31, 2011 11:29 PM CST up reply actions
I missed the mighty bung hole.
"You’re talking about things that are real. That’s real. In those other dual meets, it wasn’t real, but now it’s real." ~ Tom Brands regarding the Iowa State dual.



















