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Yesterday, I wanted Phil Haddy fired.

Yesterday, in the wake of a press conference which did not include the head coach, or anyone responsible for putting thirteen Iowa football players in the hospital, or any answers whatsoever from the people offered to the press and the public, I wanted to hit Phil Haddy in the head with a show shovel.  Faced with the latest disaster for Iowa athletics, this time an actual matter of player well-being that is directly and primarily the responsibility of coaches within the program and the department, Iowa's sports information director did what he always does: He convened an ill-informed group of people to brief the press three days later than he should.  There was a doctor who hadn't treated the players to "educate" us on their illness.  This was followed by Director of Football Operations and Sacrificial Lambs Paul Federici, who apparently came to the dais with no information about which coaches were involved, which players were involved, or what they were involved with.  Thank God for Biff Poggi, employee of nobody, just a concerned parent who also happened to be the only person with any actual information.  Phil Haddy stood to the side of the table, speaking up only to knock down legitimate questions, like, "Why are there no strength coaches here for the press conference?" with barely coherent responses ("We didn't have anybody directly involved with that and so that's why we had people who can talk to what was actually occurring with regard to what happened and also who can directly comment on practices." Two minutes later, Federici confirmed all five S&C coaches were directly involved. No, I'm not kidding.).  For the third time this year, Iowa's sports information director took a bad but manageable public relations situation and made it exponentially worse.

Over the course of the evening, I read Morehouse, and I read Hlas, and I read Bohnenkamp, and I read Jacobi -- I read a lot of Jacobi -- and I came to realize that the PR trainwreck, like the others that preceded it these past 12 months, wasn't Haddy's fault.  Make no mistake about it: Public relations is the function of a typical athletics department's sports information staff.  Iowa, though, is no typical athletics department, and Phil Haddy is no public relations man.

Star-divide

Phil Haddy has been at Iowa since 1971, and has been sports information director for Iowa athletics since 1993.  Haddy was in charge when Hayden Fry retired and when Chris Street died.  He's been through crises in the past, and has relied on a tried-and-true formula of a press release and, depending on public reaction, follow-up press conference.  It's message control, circa 1991: Only give the press and public the information you want to give them, control the story, and weather the storm.  It worked for the department in the past, and it's the same process they've used for the Lickliter firing, the McCaffery hiring, DJK, Hampton, and now for Kidneygate.  When not putting out fires, Phil Haddy can do what Phil Haddy does 98% of the time: Put out those inane fact sheets that Pat Harty copies into his postgame columns and get filmed for Big Ten Network retrospectives.  Haddy clearly looks at his job as distributor of information first, face of the department second, and public relations director a distant third.

The world has turned and left Phil Haddy here, though.  This story didn't break in a press release.  It broke on Jim Poggi's Facebook page, just as Hampton broke on his Facebook wall, just as DJK and Lickliter and McCaffery broke in the message boards.  No longer can the UI SID control the flow of information.  No longer does the story get out only when Haddy is good and ready to let it get out.  In the world of modern, internet-based media, Phil Haddy is getting lapped.

The sports information office's reaction to this most recent debacle crystallized these deficiencies.  According to Biff Poggi, his son was admitted to University Hospitals on Monday, he apparently made the "brown wizz" comment on Facebook Tuesday morning, and the story broke with twelve players admitted* by Tuesday afternoon.  Only after the story had broken into wide circulation did Haddy issue a press release (and, as previously noted, that release absurdly expected that no further comment would be necessary).  Only after fielding a day worth of questions did Haddy hastily convene a press conference.  By that time, the story had gone national; Twitter was on fire with comments from writers at ESPN, Sports Illustrated, and CBS Sports, and the story made the 30-second news rundown on MSNBC.  This fact, of course, was completely lost on Haddy, a man who obviously no longer understands the media world he's supposed to work with.  Nothing made his cluelessness more clear than his decision to put Dr. John Stokes on the dais.  Stokes answered general questions regarding rhabdomyolysis, but aside from his comment that he'd been in practice 32 years and never seen thirteen people get the disease at once, he offered no more information than the reporters already had, because the reporters have WebMD.  This was a crisis created in the weight room but magnified by the internet, by social networking, by the rapid dissemination of information.  Haddy's response was a press conference ready-made for Bob Brooks and his giant tape recorder and his fedora with the press credential stuck to the brim.

There's that part of A Few Good Men where Daniel Caffey makes an objection to point out the treating doctor didn't know what he was talking about, and then Jo Galloway screws the whole thing up:

 

 

Louden Downey needed a trial lawyer that day.  Louden Downey needed someone who understood the circumstances he faced and the audience he had to convince.  Yesterday -- and the day before, and two weeks before that, and this spring -- University of Iowa Athletics was Louden Downey, in desperate need of Daniel Caffey and stuck with Jo Galloway.  It's not that a lawyer like Jo Galloway isn't useful in certain situations, but paper law isn't trial law, just as boilerplate information dissemination isn't public relations.  A true public relations firm would have gotten in front of this story.  It would have issued a definitive statement, detailing the illnesses and circumstances surrounding them, before Jim Poggi found his Facebook app.  It would have selected the ideal people to put in front of the assembled media, and it would have coached them on exactly what to say to the questions they would inevitably be asked.  It would have improved the response and minimized the story, rather than ignoring the initial problem and then turning it into yet another potential cover-up.  Iowa football is the 15th most financially successful program in the country, bringing in $81 million per year, and its public relations operation wants to sew some costumes and hold the press conference in the barn with Aunt Jenny.

I know Ferentz will hate it.  I know Barta and Haddy will say it's unnecessary.  But it's no longer in their hands.  This program, which has been slowly and publicly bleeding to death for three months, is the face of the University as a whole, and is dragging the institution down with it.  Ferentz can keep snorting at the media.  Barta can keep telling his underlings to avoid the press while reporters are in hot pursuit of said undering's car.  Haddy can keep disseminating irrelevant factoids to Pat Harty and showing up in soft-focus features on the 1985 Iowa-Michigan game with Bob Brooks.  Their time is done.  Their era in media is passed.  They have clearly shown they have no idea what they're doing, and it's time for Sally Mason to find someone who does.

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Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

by Blackheartnopants on Jan 27, 2011 12:15 PM CST reply actions  

Yes

Daiquiris are awesome.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Jan 27, 2011 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

FIRE MCCAFFERY?

"As long as he behaves himself in this town, I ain't got no, ah...jurisdiction." - Link Appleyard, NCAA Compliance Officer

by ReadingRambler on Jan 27, 2011 1:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Fire your Mom

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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Jan 27, 2011 1:46 PM CST up reply actions  

FIRE BRANDS!

He is UNACCEPTABLE. Seeing RossWB predict a loss to PSU is UNACCEPTABLE.

"As long as he behaves himself in this town, I ain't got no, ah...jurisdiction." - Link Appleyard, NCAA Compliance Officer

by ReadingRambler on Jan 27, 2011 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Does that make Gable

The emperor? I could buy that, except I think they would be for good, not evil. Unless you’re going to don a singlet of another team.

by Grixxly on Jan 27, 2011 1:59 PM CST up reply actions  

"whiny"?

I don’t think I’ve yet seen Cael do but anything but sit on his chair and fidget during matches.

"As long as he behaves himself in this town, I ain't got no, ah...jurisdiction." - Link Appleyard, NCAA Compliance Officer

by ReadingRambler on Jan 27, 2011 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

True

Just the unlikely leader of the Rebel alliance

by Lycurgus on Jan 27, 2011 2:10 PM CST up reply actions  

It seems obvious, although I'm pretty sure Gable could take the Emperor down and get some back points.

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Jan 28, 2011 11:36 PM CST up reply actions  

In college wrestling

nearly everybody else’s coach is perceived to be whiny

by Lycurgus on Jan 27, 2011 2:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Wrestling fans all hate each other.

It’s glorious.

"As long as he behaves himself in this town, I ain't got no, ah...jurisdiction." - Link Appleyard, NCAA Compliance Officer

by ReadingRambler on Jan 27, 2011 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

They hate Iowa the most

I still remember watching McIlravy lose in the NCAA finals to Marrienetti and seeing the Okie State fans go crazy. By the way, people were weeping in the stands after that match and Lincoln was out behind Carver running hills.

by Lycurgus on Jan 27, 2011 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

perfect

Seriously, perfect.

by Internet Legend on Jan 27, 2011 12:36 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Great article

With social media at absolutly everyone’s fingertips and apparently everyone in the nation getting their PHD’s in exercise science as well as becoming a doctor in the past 3 days, we need someone to get in front of the information. What happened to the players doesn’t strictly lie on the coaches shoulders, the players had a responsibility as well. Every college athlete knows that the weeks after Christmas break are going to be the worst 2-3 weeks of the year. You get your ass kicked and everyone is puking and dehydrated, but its their job to show up ready. There was no need to do 100 squats in 17 minutes. They had a freaking hour, trying to be superman doesnt prove anything, the S&C coaches make sure there is enough of a workout. So you show up ready for practice, you dont sit around over break and do nothing. The kids dad even said in the presser that he did nothing over break! Yes changes need to be made but this was made into something that is honestly not that big of a deal.

by gchristeson on Jan 27, 2011 12:39 PM CST reply actions  

If 13 people in the hospital is not that big of a deal

what is? Seriously. What has to happen for you to consider it a big deal?

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Jan 27, 2011 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

How many injuries did the team have this season.

Was that not a big deal to you?
A guy broke his FUCKING NECK! Is that not a bigger deal than guys working out too hard?

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jan 28, 2011 10:01 AM CST up reply actions  

When 13 guys break their neck all at once

then you might have a point.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Jan 28, 2011 10:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Nobody brings the sanity by means of insanity like Eyeheart. Nobody.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Jan 28, 2011 7:23 PM CST up reply actions  

have to agree

I think this has been blown out of proportion. Obviously there’s some kids on the team that over did it with the workout. Anyone who’s been part of a team sport has played with guys who push themselves hard. I’m sure Brand’s has guys on the squad puking on a daily basis, but we don’t hear about it…with that said, the handling of it has been pretty poor

by IAinCA on Jan 27, 2011 3:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Overdoing it in a workout or puking after a workout is not why there are 13 kids in the hospital.

This is a potentially life-threatening condition. People have died from rhabdo. I admire these parents, because if it was my kid in the hospital, I’d be raising hell on the evening news.

by stanzi's ex-girlfriend on Jan 27, 2011 3:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I had to join CBS Sports just to smack down a commenter

that basically said that the university was doing the correct thing by withholding information, and he knew this because he was an attorney. Stupid guy didn’t even realize Jacobi is a lawyer and would know what information the university could disclose. Also, he used called AJ a “blogger” like it was a dirty word. Can’t stand commenters like that.

PV, couldn’t agree more. Iowa’s SID has fallen behind the times and made the university take a broken nose when we would’ve just had a black eye.

"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable

by ClaybornSmash on Jan 27, 2011 12:42 PM CST reply actions  

One correction: Jacobi isn't a lawyer

He is, however, a ‘lawya’

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Jan 27, 2011 12:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I worded my response to be "well versed in law"

instead of lawyer specifically because I wasn’t sure if he was or not. Its hard to keep track of all you legalese types running around these parts

"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable

by ClaybornSmash on Jan 27, 2011 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow.

By those standards, I’m practically a Federal Judge.


"If there's one thing Nixon is known for, it's class. Now let's cut this turd loose!"
- Richard Nixon's Head, President of Earth

by Bucketochicken on Jan 27, 2011 2:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Question

I’m a member of the Federalist Society and have received the Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy for more years than I care to count AND basically read everything from The SCOTUS every chance I get; what does that make me?

A geek… I know…

by Grixxly on Jan 27, 2011 2:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Considering

that I’m married. Served in the Army. Spent many nights (pre-marriage) in kaiserstrasse. And Fort Bragg, where men are men and fat women are choosy. NO.

by Grixxly on Jan 27, 2011 3:02 PM CST up reply actions  

No offense intended, and your reply was pretty much the admonishment I expected and deserved.

by txhawkeye on Jan 27, 2011 3:05 PM CST up reply actions  

No offense at all

I expected such a response as my question was teed-up for someone to knock out of the park. I thought it was all in good humor.

by Grixxly on Jan 27, 2011 3:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Did the Tollhaus serve cookies?

"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me

by BStylin Hawkye on Jan 27, 2011 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I had assumed

that Jacobi did have a Law degree. Not exactly sure why I thought that.

by Grixxly on Jan 27, 2011 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Doesn't everyone?

I am working towards my 5th dan in Irish whiskey at the moment.

by Grixxly on Jan 27, 2011 1:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Are you sure you didn't mean

5th can in Irish whiskey?

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Jan 27, 2011 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

And is an expert in Bird Law.

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by Run Up The Score on Jan 27, 2011 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Jan 27, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, since we haven't had any HIPAA expert lawyers weigh in around here, the "stupid guy" may actually be right

I’m not presuming to know enough to know if he was or wasn’t. But I’d imagine that some of the “hiding behind HIPAA” that people are complaining about is actually grounded in a sound understanding of the law by people who are paid very well to analyze it.

by PackerHawk on Jan 27, 2011 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

My wife works at St. Jude

and said that basically nothing can be released. BTW she hates HIPAA.

by Grixxly on Jan 27, 2011 1:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Not exactly

I don’t understand why they can not, or better yet, will not disclose the exact workout schedule. Who exactly was in the room that are (were) staff members. And when this particular workout is normally scheduled.

I’m starting to think that the routine was moved up in time schedule and obviously had disastrous results. And IF that is true, then someone needs to be disciplined.

by Grixxly on Jan 27, 2011 1:44 PM CST up reply actions  

From what my wife says

the patient or relative can do whatever they want, but even doctors have to get permission to even acknowledge that a person is a patient.

by Grixxly on Jan 27, 2011 1:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I guess I wonder if Poggi wasn't okay giving permission

but was willing to go out there himself to talk about a medical condition

by Lycurgus on Jan 27, 2011 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm guessing

that they thought a parent of one of the players afflicted would calm people down. I believe it probably did, because I can’t imagine the shit storm that would be brewing right now if it wasn’t for Mr. Poggi.

by Grixxly on Jan 27, 2011 1:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't disagree

However, I also think that having one of the doctors involved in treatment may have also helped some things.

by Lycurgus on Jan 27, 2011 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

There lies the problem

this close to the vest, no comment, environment is fueling the fire. I can’t imagine that the players/parents would object to information coming out, but I’m guessing the university is being advised to not let any information come out until they are convinced they know what caused it and that it will ‘never happen again’.

by Grixxly on Jan 27, 2011 1:53 PM CST up reply actions  

The problem is that they would probably have to secure notarized relase forms from all of the parents

Something that probably couldn’t be done quick enough for people around here. I would suspect it would happen in the next 90days though.

by PackerHawk on Jan 27, 2011 1:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Doubt that

only because I know that pretty much every hospital has multiple notary’s on staff.

by Grixxly on Jan 27, 2011 2:00 PM CST up reply actions  

The player's parents aren't all at UIHC are they?

I’d imagine some are, and some are on their way. But I doubt that they were all here yesterday.

by PackerHawk on Jan 27, 2011 2:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm guessing

that every player hospitalized is at least 18; no parent’s required.

by Grixxly on Jan 27, 2011 2:14 PM CST up reply actions  

So why not wheel Jim Poggi out there? (rhetorical and kidding)

I’d imagine getting parental approval instead of consent from a hospitalized athlete is good form, at least in my opinion.

by PackerHawk on Jan 27, 2011 2:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe

I was just adding that I know, from wife, that pretty much every hospital has multiple notaries on staff. It’s helped us a time or two when we’ve had to get something notarized.

by Grixxly on Jan 27, 2011 2:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Every player has a form on file

There is a limited release form produced by the NCAA that is HIPAA-compliant and used for injury reports. Without looking, I don’t know if that extends to illnesses like this, or if it applied during the offseason, but yes, it still shouldn’t be difficult to secure a release for this.

What I’m saying is, they’re not disclosing because they don’t want to disclose. HIPAA provides cover.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Jan 27, 2011 2:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I mentioned this on Twitter when the conference started

But I’m almost certain that the only reason Biff volunteered is because most people already knew that Jim was in the hospital as a result of Jim’s facebook status. Since he’d already outed himself, Biff’s appearance was a solid showing that at least one parent was still behind this program. Without Jim’s facebook status, I see no way that Iowa convinces a parent to show up.

by The Mexican't on Jan 27, 2011 1:52 PM CST up reply actions  

What is HIPAA?

I think you’re all making it up.

"As long as he behaves himself in this town, I ain't got no, ah...jurisdiction." - Link Appleyard, NCAA Compliance Officer

by ReadingRambler on Jan 27, 2011 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

oh hai

Hawkeyes
In
Peril
Acting
Anonymously

I've been in love (truly) with five women, the Spanish Republic and the 4th Infantry Division.

by sailorjerry on Jan 27, 2011 1:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Health Information Privacy Protection Act

Basically, your medical info is a closely-guarded secret by everyone in the healthcare industry.

by The Final Gun on Jan 27, 2011 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Correction

Its the Health Information Portability and Accountability Act….

by DGnarly on Jan 28, 2011 9:54 PM CST up reply actions  

the commenters at cbs scare me

It’s DM register level scary over there. I need to find a way to just rss jacobi. Or get better about using twitter.

I've been in love (truly) with five women, the Spanish Republic and the 4th Infantry Division.

by sailorjerry on Jan 27, 2011 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Bingo!

I think now, the sharks have found the blood in the water. KF is losing the perception battle and I don’t see a game plan to get it stabilized. In fact, i don’t see a concern that this is even a battle worth winning.

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Jan 27, 2011 12:44 PM CST reply actions  

Hell

he doesn’t seem to even acknowledge it’s battle he has to fight.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Jan 27, 2011 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

And maybe he doesn't.

There are only a handful of coaches in this country who could survive the accumulation of scandals like Ferentz has. You could probably count them on two hands. I don’t even know if Paterno is one of them.

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by Run Up The Score on Jan 27, 2011 3:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Hmm

I don’t know. How much of this has become a scandal because of lack of information? As much as I love KF, and I can’t imagine him losing his job over this (In fact I’d be very upset). I recall a coach that has an outstanding winning record and took his team to 10 straight bowl appearances losing his job over PR when the incident in question seemed to be quelled when dispositions took place.

by Grixxly on Jan 27, 2011 3:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Amen, Pat.

Amen.
 
It’s embarrassing to watch them flail about helplessly like great-grandma trying to program the VCR.


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- Richard Nixon's Head, President of Earth

by Bucketochicken on Jan 27, 2011 1:01 PM CST reply actions  

Flail is right - or Potato/Potatoe

This is getting a bit embarrassing. Seems like the brand/reputation of KF, the football program, and UI, as a whole, is taking a bit of a hit. Emotionally, I feel this is a blip and will be scarcely remembered in the years to come. (Note: assumes all 13 players have a quick and complete recovery). I feel like some of this is the Quayle potato(e) or Howard Dean scream. When there’s a fear about one’s defects (Quayle’s intelligence, Dean’s inability to control his emotions) it seems to prove people right. KF and others seem to be oblivious to downright anti-media and new-fangled information machines seems to get accentuated in moments like this. Strong brands/reputations garner trust and grace. Seems like KF and staff are losing a bit of that now….and have been for the past three months. Hard to blame YouTwitFace for the string of incidents (arrests, court case picking at an old wound, dismissals, etc.). A tough pattern seems to be emerging.

by MSA_Hawk on Jan 27, 2011 1:12 PM CST up reply actions  

This raises an interesting possibility.

They’re waiting for car crash to finish (with no major injuries) before they start talking about the crash.

It’s much easier to establish a positive narrative when the canon is “thirteen player recovered fully from brief hospital stay” and not “OMFG 13 PLAYERS DYING AT UIHC RIGHT NOW

by The Final Gun on Jan 27, 2011 2:21 PM CST up reply actions  

That IS embarrassing.

Why does she still have a VCR?

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Jan 27, 2011 1:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Not only that, but it's one of those top-loading ones with the faux wood casing.


"If there's one thing Nixon is known for, it's class. Now let's cut this turd loose!"
- Richard Nixon's Head, President of Earth

by Bucketochicken on Jan 27, 2011 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

It's a Zenith.

Only the best for Great Grandma.


"If there's one thing Nixon is known for, it's class. Now let's cut this turd loose!"
- Richard Nixon's Head, President of Earth

by Bucketochicken on Jan 27, 2011 1:39 PM CST up reply actions  

I have to go over there every morning at 5 to turn it on so the tubes have time to warm up for when her stories come on at 1.


"If there's one thing Nixon is known for, it's class. Now let's cut this turd loose!"
- Richard Nixon's Head, President of Earth

by Bucketochicken on Jan 27, 2011 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

It's interesting.

You would think that great-grandmothers in each region would have their own way of saying “soap operas”, but, no, my great-grandmother did the same.

"As long as he behaves himself in this town, I ain't got no, ah...jurisdiction." - Link Appleyard, NCAA Compliance Officer

by ReadingRambler on Jan 27, 2011 1:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I think it's because o-p-e-r-a is a dirty word.

Like “bloomers” and “Italians.”


"If there's one thing Nixon is known for, it's class. Now let's cut this turd loose!"
- Richard Nixon's Head, President of Earth

by Bucketochicken on Jan 27, 2011 2:00 PM CST up reply actions  

"Italians" isn't a dirty word!

It’s a dirty people…

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Jan 27, 2011 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Not as dirty as them DAMN DIRTY SPANIARDS

/JoePa’d

"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable

by ClaybornSmash on Jan 27, 2011 3:03 PM CST up reply actions  

not that good a browser either

I don't intend to upset folks with the way I write it just happens,,,

by OhioHawk on Jan 27, 2011 7:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Simple

She can’t figure out how to get the damn VCR tapes to fit into that Blu-ray player she got for Christmas and the video-on-demand feature doesn’t listen to her demands no matter how much she yells at it.

by KinnickNorthHawk on Jan 27, 2011 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I was thinking

more like the grade school teacher with the projector. Although I know that analogy makes me “old”.

by VTHawk on Jan 29, 2011 2:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I couldn't have said it any better

This University needs to get its act together, and it needs to get it together NOW!

by DrHenryKillinger on Jan 27, 2011 1:04 PM CST reply actions  

KF called...

…and he says “Who are you again?”

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jan 28, 2011 11:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Hey, Devils Advocate here

Is it possible that our PR is very similar to most other Universities but since we follow them so closely we are going to have complaints when they don’t tell us everything we want to know exactly when we think we should know it. BHGP covers the Iowa Hawkeyes, I would expect them to want the most current information quickly from the University and perhaps that is the reason why everyone here is so critical. We think we need to know the details of everything that happens as soon as it happens and when we don’t we start the “time has passed them by” argument and start calling everyone incompetent. I just think in a way we are all too close to the situation to evaluate it well. I don’t follow other top programs like Iowa, I don’t know how they do things and don’t know how far we really are behind on this. This situation much like the others is going to take some time to sort itself out, find out what really went wrong. Until that happens i think it is reasonable for them to tell us what they know is fact and leave the speculation to everyone else..

OK go ahead.. tear it apart.

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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Jan 27, 2011 1:10 PM CST reply actions  

I think you're partially onto something.

Iowa fans are going to want as much info as possible, naturally, so it’s also natural to get upset when Iowa doesn’t provide it. The difference is that the people currently in charge of giving out the information are apparently incompetent. That’s apparent in every stage of how this unfolded so far.

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by Run Up The Score on Jan 27, 2011 1:14 PM CST up reply actions  

You know, for all the flak PSU gets from us – their own fans – because the Old Man is really old and stuff, they certainly don’t seem so stubbornly committed to whatever it is Iowa’s people are committed to.

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by ReadingRambler on Jan 27, 2011 1:47 PM CST up reply actions  

First, I wanted to say "thank you" to that.

And then, I realized it probably isn’t a compliment.

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Jan 28, 2011 11:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd say 'No'

since pretty much every story to break this year has made some sort of national media outlet be it ESPN or, in this case, MSNBC.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Jan 27, 2011 1:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly

This is the second most sent story on ESPN.com right now…it’s not just our perception of it. I saw it in the five first minutes of SportsCenter and Deadspin had a story as well. It’s not just BHGP….

by Bridgeloan on Jan 27, 2011 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

In short, you're probably mostly right...

I think you’re pointing out that we’re part of the ever-growing social media and rapid dissemination of information phenomenon, and that the university and athletic department’s “slow” response is deemed incompetent from the get-go, simply because we the people are desiring information the minute we hear of it in the most precise and succinct way possible.

With that being said, the way things have become in today’s media world demand that a department that continues to experience negative PR situations like Iowa’s desperately needs to reevaluate their approach, or their as fucked as the Hindenburg. One poor situation, and the problems can maybe be overlooked but commented on. Over five? It’s like watching a train-wreck each time. Sure, other schools might be very similar, but I would expect any institution to reconsider their public relations and information disclosure approach after so many poor situations that only got worse due to the way the internal information department handled it, let alone the team I cheer for.

Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.

by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jan 27, 2011 1:41 PM CST up reply actions  

your first paragraph

is what I was trying to say. Thanks for making it sound like it was written by someone with at least an 8’th grade education. My question about the second paragraph is this, are they really that big of PR blunders to the general population or is it the same situation playing itself out. I have never heard complaints about the way it is handles from any of my Hawkeye friends , and thats most of them, about how quickly information comes out. No matter how these last few situations broke they were going to look terrible for the University. we had our all time leading receiver get busted on drug charges, our starting running back busted on drug charges, and now this. Its going to get bad press no matter how it breaks. My point is that I don’t hear huge complaints from the average person about how the University handles it.

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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Jan 27, 2011 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Getting ahead of the story is not a great strategy all the time.

When you’re talking about social media, its impossible to get ‘ahead’ of it in a true sense anyway. And when you actually have a responsibility, unlike those in the ‘social media’, you have to make sure your facts are correct; that what you say is legal and compliant with the law; and everything else.

Anyone who argues that the UI can quash this story is ridiculous. Look at what happened to Jay Cutler. People decided during the game that he wasn’t hurt enough and then when the actual info comes out, people have already made their minds up.

by DisplacedHawkeye82 on Jan 27, 2011 2:57 PM CST up reply actions  

This..

Social media can respond within seconds. I don’t want anyone running up to the microphone out of breath to try to answer every tweet as it goes out. There are too many moving parts involved in a response. I thought the one they had was too hasty and should have been delayed. Once the initial firestorm passes, then get some good, solid, well thought out information out..

by coltranemonk on Jan 28, 2011 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Excellent, Displaced.

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Jan 28, 2011 11:45 PM CST up reply actions  

While it’s true that the the PR machine will never get ahead of this, they need to be a little faster and a little less naive … “no further comment expected.” Really? Really?

by VTHawk on Jan 29, 2011 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes

“Iowa football is the 15th most financially successful program in the country, bringing in $81 million per year, and its public relations operation wants to sew some costumes and hold the press conference in the barn with Aunt Jenny.”
Love this. It says it all.

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by Hankeye on Jan 27, 2011 1:10 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

In Case Of Emergency: Convene Press Conference

I maintain my opinion from the previous post — calling a press conference featuring these individuals was a monumental error which simply compounded previous errors. And I don’t know where you guys would be without Biff Poggi.

Seriously, why have a press conference knowing that you won’t be giving out any information? Isn’t the whole idea to feed the press enough of your cherrypicked information that they’ll only minimally stray from the script — not to put some woefully underprepared schleps on stage to essentially say “Derrrr”, or if they’re feeling especially verbose, “Hurrrrrrrrrr.”?

Part of the issue is that today, SID’s are more promotional than informational. We see this at Penn State, too. Can’t get ‘em to comment on anything substantive, but they’ll promote the crap out of their selected topics. Which is their right, of course. But it’s hard for the promotional machine to suddenly switch back to the informational machine, which is deadly in today’s media/internet world. People won’t put up with it, and today, people are media. Doesn’t require a press pass.

Calling a press conference for the sole purpose of further obfuscation is monumentally stupid.

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by Run Up The Score on Jan 27, 2011 1:10 PM CST reply actions  

Promoting the hell out of softball topics is rampant amongst management type drones EVERYWHERE now

Its not just in sports.

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by The Bird Cult on Jan 27, 2011 1:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, it's an extension of the selling of America.

Style, not substance (this has come from the “top” down).

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jan 28, 2011 11:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Bloodpunch needs to live up to his moniker at this point. The athletic dept apparently does a good job on the business side; they don’t appear to have fully grasped this “internet” yet.

by txhawkeye on Jan 27, 2011 1:12 PM CST reply actions  

I'm starting to get the idea that Barta

works for Ferentz rather than the other way around. Seriously, I think he’s scared to tell Kirk what to do and that it’s going to take Mason rattling cages to get anything to change because we sure as Hell know KF isn’t going to instigate any sort of reform.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Jan 27, 2011 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

This is absolutely true.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Jan 27, 2011 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, look at their salaries.

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by Run Up The Score on Jan 27, 2011 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Ferentz is essentially isolated from any sort of job trouble, isn't he?

Isn’t he signed through 2020 or something crazy like that? Seems like he’s pretty safe in the castle at this point.

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by Run Up The Score on Jan 27, 2011 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Pretty much.


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- Richard Nixon's Head, President of Earth

by Bucketochicken on Jan 27, 2011 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Just playin DA here for a second

but I would guess that would depend on what his buyout is. God forbid!

by Grixxly on Jan 27, 2011 1:38 PM CST up reply actions  

It's interesting

One of his “with cause” (read: no buyout) termination provisions directly deals with Doyle:

“The head coach shall assist the Strength Coach in designing and implementing a strength program”

Either he was directly involved with this, or he’s breached his contract, right Chris?

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Jan 27, 2011 1:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm still unclear on one point of this situation.

Who was overseeing these players during these workouts? I think I’m missing that part of the puzzle.

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by Run Up The Score on Jan 27, 2011 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

They aren't talking about that.

This is one of the points that comes across shady.

by Lycurgus on Jan 27, 2011 1:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

in-house investigations have an excellent track record at Iowa

by Lycurgus on Jan 27, 2011 1:49 PM CST up reply actions  

They produce scapegoats

Somebody will get fired for this sooner or later. Even the Everson-Satterfield affair resulted in the firing of two admins.

by PackerHawk on Jan 27, 2011 1:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Federici?


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by Bucketochicken on Jan 27, 2011 1:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Just like any entrenched regime. large bureaucratic organization.

by PackerHawk on Jan 27, 2011 1:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Does this make Kirk Ferentz Nicolae Ceausescu?

"As long as he behaves himself in this town, I ain't got no, ah...jurisdiction." - Link Appleyard, NCAA Compliance Officer

by ReadingRambler on Jan 27, 2011 2:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry, I just really like writing Nicolae Ceausescu for some reason.

"As long as he behaves himself in this town, I ain't got no, ah...jurisdiction." - Link Appleyard, NCAA Compliance Officer

by ReadingRambler on Jan 27, 2011 2:10 PM CST up reply actions  

As you should.

That was my “in” with my wife on our first date — knowing abouat Ceausescu. Her parents came over here from Romania in the 70’s.

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by Run Up The Score on Jan 27, 2011 2:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I work with a gorgeous Romanian girl who speaks fondly

of watching his execution on live television. And to think that I was probably watching “Gummy Bears” at the same time.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Jan 27, 2011 2:21 PM CST up reply actions  

That was a crazy Christmas

Soviet-bloc countries falling; autocrats being shot, me not getting the present I wanted.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Jan 27, 2011 3:06 PM CST up reply actions  

President Marion Berry?

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Jan 27, 2011 3:22 PM CST up reply actions  

One of my best friends

is Romanian, and was in the Romanian army when that shit all went down. He has some stories.


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by Bucketochicken on Jan 27, 2011 5:31 PM CST up reply actions  

is he the guy from

pubic radio with the accent
sorta between gravel and the second cumming of
benny hanna?
the timber of his voice lilting in its own
rise and fall like a moon driven tide
making you want to jump up right
then and there and go grab
the well thumbed copy
of the allegory of the cave with the notes
from sophmore year
if so i think he is cool
too

long live the pellican whore

I don't intend to upset folks with the way I write it just happens,,,

by OhioHawk on Jan 27, 2011 7:33 PM CST up reply actions  

That's your second Cold War Romania reference

In a week. I’m putting you on notice.

So what if I tailgate to the NPR jazz station?

by hkobb7 on Jan 27, 2011 9:24 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

So what if I tailgate to the NPR jazz station?

by hkobb7 on Jan 30, 2011 4:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm going to guess

it’s going to be some poor unfortunate Grad-assistant that doesn’t get paid.

by Grixxly on Jan 27, 2011 1:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I still am hesistant to say that anyone should be fired

I just think that people should get their shit together and quite treating the media and fans like mushrooms

by Lycurgus on Jan 27, 2011 1:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Perception is

reality. So if there was a fuck up, then someone is going to pay.

by Grixxly on Jan 27, 2011 1:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep.

And I doubt it’s an unpaid intern underling. Somebody with a title is gonna get the guillotine here.


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by Bucketochicken on Jan 27, 2011 1:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Wont be Doyle

It will be the guy in the red shirt on the away party.

by Grixxly on Jan 27, 2011 2:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Ensign Johnson?


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by Bucketochicken on Jan 27, 2011 2:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Unless Doyle was really being a jerk...

he won’t be fired.

And, I’m not sure you’ll see other S&C staff get fired, either.

They had no real way of knowing this would happen until it did. They have put other guys through it in the past, and without this (rhabdo) occurring.

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

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by WaterlooChazz on Jan 28, 2011 11:49 PM CST up reply actions  

How detailed would his involvement have to be?

“Sure Chris do that killer squat thing and then keep the pedal down all weekend?”

or

“Yeah, make sure you do that squat thing in the first two weeks?”

Sounds like that clause has some wiggle room for a good contract lawyer (i.e. not me)

by PackerHawk on Jan 27, 2011 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm starting to think "troubling" is a more apt word around here lately.

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by ReadingRambler on Jan 27, 2011 1:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Per MasCasa

The Regents and Sally have set 90days as a deadline to have a root-cause determined and made public.

Consider cages rattled. I just can’t wait to see the bullshit grandstanding from the regents that will accomany the actual facts of the case.

by PackerHawk on Jan 27, 2011 1:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I think

that a lot of people here want the grandstanding. It’s not enough to say this is what we know at the moment and we are looking into it. We need to hear the big fluffy message about how it will never happen again to feel better.

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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Jan 27, 2011 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I know a lot of people do want the grandstanding

Which is why you can count on at least one regent to grandstand on pretty much every issue, not just sports. I’m just not one of them.

by PackerHawk on Jan 27, 2011 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

neither am i

but i feel like half of the complaints here are basically that they are not talking enough.. they are not saying enough.. even though it seems they are offering the facts as they know them at the moment.

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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Jan 27, 2011 1:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks

I’ve been trying to read up on the condition as much as I can and basically feel like my eyes are bleeding.

by Grixxly on Jan 27, 2011 1:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Now this seems to be complete confusion

Since this has happened I’ve done a lot of searches and read about as much as I can stomach on the subject of the infliction, but this statement has me baffled:

"It is an essential responsibility of the University to determine what is likely to have caused this rare condition among so many young men at one time, and to share those findings." (emphasis added)

I don’t want to downplay this at all, not even in the slightest; but from what I’ve read this isn’t rare at all. And considering that the S&C knew what it was instantly this has me even more confused. Are there too many nuts and bolts in the system that information isn’t free flowing at the UI level, let alone what we are being told?

by Grixxly on Jan 27, 2011 2:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I think more "rare" in terms of "something most people haven't heard of"

and not “rare” in terms of “happens to fewer than 1/1000 people in their lifetime.”

No further comment is expected.

by The Final Gun on Jan 27, 2011 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Fair enough

I am really starting to think there should be an opening or two considering this PR nightmare. Considering this isn’t rare, from what I’ve read, and considering this was always going to break nationally, do we not have anyone advising and proof-reading what their statements were going to be?

For God’s sake let’s be realistic, though this is a learning institute it garners millions of dollars yearly and this is the shit that’s put out? I’m really starting to lean in the direction that someone HAS to be fired. (Poor sap)

by Grixxly on Jan 27, 2011 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I do not think anyone on the coaching staff needs to go.

If you wanna fire someone for handling the follow up incompetantly then go ahead.

People keep saying that the S&C guys didn’t protect the players, but that seems like a lot of bullshit.
The players didn’t start having the issue until days later (actually worked out two more times before the wiz turned brown), and I’m sorry but I do not believe that any coach who knew these kids would be damaging their kidneys told the kids that they’d better keep going anyway. If any of those coaches knew the players could be injured like this, they would have stopped them right away (to avoid further injury, and to avoid being fired for incompetence).
Shit happens, and people are all up in arms about this kind of fluke, but no one cried foul when Neilson broke his neck or when ARob played a couple weeks after sustaining a concussion and soon took another concussion, or when Greenwood started the week after his MSU neck injury (which led to Greenwood taking himself out of the game during the first series because he wasn’t healthy).
This is football we’re talking about. If the coaches could have known better then they should have stopped what was going on, but I haven’t seen anything to indicate they acted outside of the interests of the players.

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jan 28, 2011 12:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think someone should be fired

But now with the debacle from a PR standpoint I think someone HAS to be fired. It will make amends on the PR front and appease enough folks that a lot of this will simmer down.

I still don’t know what to think, other than UI HAS to understand that this isn’t the 70-80-90s and that information has to be forthcoming a hell of a lot sooner than it has.

by Grixxly on Jan 28, 2011 3:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I bet ya

they are all sitting around saying, “how’d them rascals get that info on the interwebs so fast? They don’t put them darnfanagling word processers in hospital rooms do they?”

"I don't believe in quotes" - Karl Klug

by Nature Boy on Jan 27, 2011 1:20 PM CST reply actions  

WOOOOOOOO

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Jan 27, 2011 1:23 PM CST up reply actions  

/Nature Boy’d?

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Jan 27, 2011 1:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I have a very simple solution - Phil Haddy needs to retire

Like immediately. And then go out and spend the cash to get a SID that knows WTF he’s doing.

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by The Bird Cult on Jan 27, 2011 1:24 PM CST reply actions  

Is he doing anything he's not told by Barta or Ferentz to do?

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by Run Up The Score on Jan 27, 2011 1:25 PM CST up reply actions  

easy answer there i agree

But isn’t it the wrong question?

Don’t we have a SID and a Haddy because Kirk has a football team to coach? The amount of work that goes into image, logistics and day to day operations logistics for a multimillion dollar business enterprise are the reason we have a large ADept and SID in the first place, no?

I've been in love (truly) with five women, the Spanish Republic and the 4th Infantry Division.

by sailorjerry on Jan 27, 2011 1:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

It's probably the wrong question

But that’s me trying to get a handle on my second favorite Big Ten program as compared to our situation at Penn State, where absolutely everything is run through the football coach. That DJK press conference about drug testing never would’ve happened at PSU. That whole matter would’ve been like Fredo Corleone in the boat.

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by Run Up The Score on Jan 27, 2011 1:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm almost willing to guarantee you, though, that PSU's coaching search will come up with another guy who handles the media in a way similar to Joe's methods.

I hope that’s the case. It bothers me sometimes, but it’s better than this crap.

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by ReadingRambler on Jan 27, 2011 2:00 PM CST up reply actions  

You've had the answers all season long.

Why don’t you just apply for the position? Then we’ll know exactly where you’re moving to at the same time.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Jan 27, 2011 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

agreed 100x

As a former university employee who worked with the UI media this hits home. The university has all.of the tools to run a damage control dept but they are fragmented wih no clear leadership or chain of command structure with respect to each other. We have several world class recording/broadcast studios/media centers that are all completely isolated from each other. This very much underscores themes about new media, especially in the AD that we’ve been talking about since Ferentz made DJK get off the twitterz.

We have state of the art football and medical facilities, we travel en masse and in style, we spend money like a drunken sailor at banquets, bowl games and other entertaining events.

We took one good step in the direction of new media this past year with the brand new football website, but it’s about goddamn time we have a spin management team who is capable and experienced enough to manufacture and, when necessary, handle damage control.

The football program especially is notorious for keeping things close to the chest on not playing nice with the other side of the river, but the point on image is exactly right. This football team is the national face of the university and I’m sick of our PR looking like fucking amateur hour.

I've been in love (truly) with five women, the Spanish Republic and the 4th Infantry Division.

by sailorjerry on Jan 27, 2011 1:31 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

you saying drunken sailor is funny

thats all

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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Jan 27, 2011 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

takes one to know one

I've been in love (truly) with five women, the Spanish Republic and the 4th Infantry Division.

by sailorjerry on Jan 27, 2011 1:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

is that the same

as hey sailor new
in town?
my sainted father god rest his soul
warned me
about that

I don't intend to upset folks with the way I write it just happens,,,

by OhioHawk on Jan 27, 2011 7:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know.

Trying to “control the message” in a free society was always difficult. It’s been getting more and more difficult over the last century and a half with the rise of newspapers, television, and now the internet. So it’s not really surprising to me when a bunch of people with less resources than a giant government entity but (apparently) roughly the same amount of incompetence cause nothing but more trouble for themselves.

"As long as he behaves himself in this town, I ain't got no, ah...jurisdiction." - Link Appleyard, NCAA Compliance Officer

by ReadingRambler on Jan 27, 2011 1:57 PM CST reply actions  

for all the reason you list

I would say it’s easier. Marketing/pr has become a huge public and private sector industry that many people and firms are very good at. Manipulation and manufacture of culture, spin, etc are only going to get bigger and bigger.

For fucks sake, and for example, hancher hasn’t been open for a few seasons now and they still have a better team of interns and digital marketing people than the ADept.

I've been in love (truly) with five women, the Spanish Republic and the 4th Infantry Division.

by sailorjerry on Jan 27, 2011 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Is PR the right focus here?

I’m sure the media people could have handled this better, but isn’t the issue of “how our PR department reacts to a scandal” of secondary importance to, you know, the scandal? To take an example from another team, the New York Knicks had a terrible string of embarrassing stories (mainly involving Isiah Thomas’ sexual harassment lawsuit) a few years back, and it was all over the national media. ALL OVER. And the Knicks were a laughingstock for a long, long time. Now, whose fault was that? Was it Joe Publicist, who failed to somehow perform super-hypnosis on every reporter in the country and make them ignore a very salacious, news-worthy story, or was it Isiah Thomas, Stephon Marbury, Eddy Curry, and everyone else who did the idiotic things in the first place?

I’m not comparing the two scandals, but just making the point that PR can only do so much. At some point scandals are embarrassing because they are scandals, not because they are presented in a certain way.

Maybe, um, having fewer scandals would be the area where the team should invest more energy?

by Horace E. Cow on Jan 27, 2011 1:59 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

A very good point.


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by Bucketochicken on Jan 27, 2011 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes.

Iowa football needs to clean up its act for a couple of years.

The likelihood we go that long without bad PR? About 0.35%.

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Jan 28, 2011 11:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Sure, but I think that goes back to Ferentz holding the balance of power out there.

Unless the university president / regents step in and really do something.

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by Run Up The Score on Jan 27, 2011 2:04 PM CST up reply actions  

PR has basically made everyone out there look, well, pretty stupid and out of touch.

"As long as he behaves himself in this town, I ain't got no, ah...jurisdiction." - Link Appleyard, NCAA Compliance Officer

by ReadingRambler on Jan 27, 2011 2:06 PM CST up reply actions  

This is true

but I can’t speak intelligently on strength training. I’m a big pile of goo.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Jan 27, 2011 2:07 PM CST up reply actions  

It's terrible everywhere.

You can talk about the kidney debacle itself, sure, but everything Pat wrote in his post is true as well.

This is a really ugly off-season and no one’s looking good. Except for Stanzi.

"As long as he behaves himself in this town, I ain't got no, ah...jurisdiction." - Link Appleyard, NCAA Compliance Officer

by ReadingRambler on Jan 27, 2011 2:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Haven't the Knicks been irrelevant for at least a decade? ;)

"I'm gonna give you assholes a chance. What do you say we play a little Bangkok Rules?" ~ Snake Plissken

by The Bird Cult on Jan 27, 2011 2:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I think it's kind of a chicken & egg thing.

Would all of these things really be “scandals” if they were properly handled by the university? DJK was a kid making bad decisions. It turned in to a scandal when the PR machine let speculation run rampant (OMG THE WHOLE TEAM SMOKES CRACK) rather than getting out in front of the story. 13 players in the hospital is much different, but I think the athletic departments handling of these things contributes to making them scandals.

by 9isEnough on Jan 27, 2011 2:31 PM CST up reply actions  

No.

The media runs with anything it can about Iowa football, good or bad. Even if the Athletic Department handled everything skillfully, you still have Hlas and Morehouse and Dochterman writing about it for a week (or longer), because it probably gets more page views than the articles about the actual sporting events do.

At the very least, Haddy needs some youngsters (could be a team of UI students led by a young-ish professional, or could be some young professionals) that can help him be more effective in things like PR, the internetz, getting more favorable coverage by media, blogs, twitter, facebook, myspace, and many other things.

On the other hand, a group like that would cost a nice amount (I’m thinking minimum $50 k per year to start), and that is difficult to justify spending that “just in case” you have some players who get caught with drugs or you have some players who come down with a syndrome that nobody has heard of.

And finally, it is difficult to blame Haddy or KF or Barta for bungling the aftermath of this. These kids are recovering in the best hospital in the state, and I think we will see some changes to the workout program (especially at times when the players are coming back from times of relative inactivity). We don’t need to fire the AD or the coach or the SID for not being able to slickly handle a weird situation like this. Leave that sort of thing to Jamie Pollard and his inconsolable interns.

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Jan 29, 2011 12:04 AM CST up reply actions  

I'd be more concerned with the scandal if it wasn't a manufactured fluke.

Why did no one (as far as I know) call for the head of S&C at USC after that guy nearly decapitated himself with his bench bar? Because it was a fluke, and by the time anyone could do anything to prevent it the situation was over.

At what point is a coach supposed to stop these competitive young men from becoming stronger (in order to play the sport they love) because they might start pissing blood from a disorder that most of the country hadn’t heard of until the last week? When would you have told Jim Poggi that he’d had enough because he might possibly have brown pee and bad kidneys in a few days? And how do you tell the head coach that the kids were willing, and even pushing each other, but it had to be shut down because you had a feeling the workout might discolor their urine and make it harder for their kidneys to process toxins?

[Not saying I’m right. They’re just quetions.]

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jan 28, 2011 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, as far as USC goes

The player in question is suing the university for negligence. So at least one person is “calling for someone’s head” (in this case the assistant S&C coach, who doesn’t actually work at USC anymore).

And as far as your other questions, it seems like telling the players how far to go, how to safely get stronger, etc., is exactly why teams have S&C coaches. If it’s just up to the players to go as far as they think they should, teams could save a lot of cash and not hire any coaches. Which is not to say that the coaches at Iowa are clearly at fault in this case, just that keeping the workouts safe and being aware of health risks is a part of the S&C staff’s job.

If you look at the NCAA Job Board for S&C coaches, you’ll note that the head S&C coaching jobs require some kind of national certification, and those certifications require knowledge of safe program design and emergency response (e.g. SCCC certification). And I would guess (but don’t know for sure) that the reason programs have these certification requirements is to limit their liability when things go wrong. It probably is tough to tell a coach that his players need to stop pushing themselves, but that’s part of the job.

by Horace E. Cow on Jan 28, 2011 2:55 PM CST up reply actions  

True

but this incident probably isn’t a “scandal” if it had been properly handled. But, as the SID has shown over the past few months, that is something we are completely incapable of.

This should have been pretty simple. When it first got out, hell before it got out, there should have been a press conference that addressed the follwing 3.5 issues:

1. This is what happened and what we know
2. This is what we are PREVENTED from telling you due to privacy laws
3. This is what we DON’T know
3.a. Here’s what we’re doing to figure out the answer to 3 above.

Do that, and about 90% of the sturm and drang going on in the media is nipped in the bud.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Jan 27, 2011 3:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think you avoid 90% of the media stuff here.

Once the media hears (and can repeat in their articles) the words “brown urine” this thing goes viral. LOL

Seriously, the rarity of this is what made this thing interesting to so much of the media (and us), not just the “potential for scandal.”

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Jan 29, 2011 12:08 AM CST up reply actions  

This has been a strange 36 hours

The news broke, I’ve been getting little sleep — due to cabin fever, I suspect — I read this and then I just took one of my kids in for an emergency tooth extraction.

So, what does any of this have to do with zombie Freddy Mercury?

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

by Blackheartnopants on Jan 27, 2011 2:52 PM CST reply actions  

wasnt he father knows best

or was that my three sons?

I don't intend to upset folks with the way I write it just happens,,,

by OhioHawk on Jan 27, 2011 7:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Demi Moore

really annoyed the fuck out of me in that movie.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Jan 27, 2011 2:53 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Yes.

"As long as he behaves himself in this town, I ain't got no, ah...jurisdiction." - Link Appleyard, NCAA Compliance Officer

by ReadingRambler on Jan 27, 2011 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Rec'able.

So what if I tailgate to the NPR jazz station?

by hkobb7 on Jan 27, 2011 9:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah. But she was still hot then, so you almost have to give her a mulligan.

And not “hey, look at me, I’m 45 and I work out with a personal trainer for 13 hours per day” hot.

But she was “hey, I’m a woman in my 30s with a properly proportioned body, and my face doesn’t need botox” hot.

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Jan 29, 2011 12:11 AM CST up reply actions  

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH

(Sorry, almost 200 posts and no one had made that joke yet? Y’all are slacking.)

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Jan 27, 2011 3:25 PM CST reply actions  

A tooth?

YOU CAN’T HANDLE A TOOTH! Oh wait… I’m not trolling the Mizzou board.. Never mind.

by Grixxly on Jan 27, 2011 3:28 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Well it just got worse.

Gregg Doyle claims via Twitter that a family member of an affected player has a kidney function below 40% and may sever their ties with the program.

by The Mexican't on Jan 27, 2011 3:28 PM CST reply actions  

Reading his feed

sounds like typical hype. When parents are on CNN/Fox/et al I’ll be more concerned. Sorry, I really don’t like Gregg Doyle…

by Grixxly on Jan 27, 2011 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh, I don't like the guy either.

He’s a giant jackass. But the word is going to get out if he’s sharing it.

by The Mexican't on Jan 27, 2011 3:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Jim Rome just BLASTED Ferentz.

Said, “I don’t even care that head coach Kirk Ferentz wasn’t there when it happened. His program, his responsibility. And I am assuming that he did hire the coaches who were there when it happened, so that’s on him, too. He better own it, and he better do something about it, because if 15% of your team is hospitalized with a life-threatening condition, that better cost somebody their job. It’s inexcusable, it should have never happened. And unless you wake up and take responsibility and control of the situation, you could be the guy looking for a new job, Coach.”

by stanzi's ex-girlfriend on Jan 27, 2011 3:40 PM CST reply actions  

I watch Jim Rome

And the JIM Everett clip often to remind me how much I don’t like Jim Rome…

by Grixxly on Jan 27, 2011 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

You know, Everett could have done everyone a favor and just killed him then.

by txhawkeye on Jan 27, 2011 3:51 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm conflicted

I want to rec this but I don’t know…

by Grixxly on Jan 27, 2011 3:59 PM CST up reply actions  

No, you're not wrong for wanting Jim Rome to no longer exist

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Jan 27, 2011 4:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Rack him.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Jan 27, 2011 4:22 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

That's akin to Patton getting blasted by, like, Lloyd Fredendall?

Point being: who cares what so and so has to say?

"As long as he behaves himself in this town, I ain't got no, ah...jurisdiction." - Link Appleyard, NCAA Compliance Officer

by ReadingRambler on Jan 27, 2011 4:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Er, kind of on Jim Rome.

Sportscenter has a large, cross-demographic viewership. Jim Rome has Jim Rome’s audience: former frat boys, future frat boys and future subjects of “To Catch a Predator”.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Jan 28, 2011 10:18 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, this is basically what I was going for.

"As long as he behaves himself in this town, I ain't got no, ah...jurisdiction." - Link Appleyard, NCAA Compliance Officer

by ReadingRambler on Jan 28, 2011 12:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Respectfully, this is a bunch of bullshit.

Now bloggers are complaining about lack of access just as much as the “old media” always has. Get over feeling so super-important that you have the right to know every detail of everything that happens for your favorite University football team (and its individual players) and your life will be much better.

The people screaming foul here for a “P.R. nightmare” are expecting too much info too quickly, which would also be wrong. As with the Wegher issues, DJK issues, and others that will surely follow, these are individuals with rights that include privacy from certain things, including an onslaught of uninformed questions on their health from Monday Morning Quarterbacks.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Jan 27, 2011 4:02 PM CST reply actions  

I don't think it is a feeling of self-importance that is driving this

I think it is a feeling that the football program and the athletic department prefer not to be held publicly accountable for obvious screw-ups and consistently turn their own blunders around on the media and public.

by Lycurgus on Jan 27, 2011 4:09 PM CST up reply actions  

The outcry of lack of INSTANT access

because, you know, it’s the Twitter/Facebook age, Gramps

That is extremely self-important and wrong. They squashed the “25 players out from DRUGS!” thing extremely quickly (within 72 hours) and people were pissed. They did not release any personal info on Wegher’s situation and people were pissed. We don’t have the right to know any of these things, and shouldn’t. Self-importance is the over-riding theme in my opinion.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Jan 27, 2011 4:19 PM CST up reply actions  

You don't think the media has the right to ask questions

about a football-related activity that resulted in 13 players being admitted to the hospital?

It isn’t about instant access, it is about obfuscation and misrepresentation. It is about being honest with people. Come out and tell reporters that you don’t have all the facts and you want to wait until you do. Fine. Don’t put on a half-assed donkey show, with Mr. Federici as the bride, and then expect that people are going to be satisfied with that. It makes the university and the football program look bad. Most people here are saying that this PR stuff is important no matter how much Kirk doesn’t want it to be.

by Lycurgus on Jan 27, 2011 4:28 PM CST up reply actions  

It's about instant access, not access in general.

Get over ourselves via the importance of knowing NOW

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Jan 27, 2011 4:46 PM CST up reply actions  

No. It's really not

Nice little straw man argument you’ve got going, but completely off base. It’s not about the details of the information, it’s about providing any at all and communicating openly. Look, we know there will be things that are not yet known and will take time to have all the answers. And some of the answers we will never get, due to privacy concerns. Fine. But don’t drop a press release staing 12 players went to the hospital after a workout and then think that no further comment is warranted or should be expected is both stupid and wilffully incompetent.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Jan 28, 2011 9:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Not really.

Why haven’t the other 80-ish football players been hospitalized when they probably did the same workout?
We don’t know, because no one knows how to tell the point of no return for something like this.

People want answers but even the doctors (real or imaginary-internet doctors) don’t even have answers about the situation. This really could be an instance in which they didn’t know but will know going forward.

I just hate watching people sit back and call for firings based on head-up-ass assumptions and dubious knowledge of actual facts. We don’t know 10% of what happened (in the weight room or in the players’ bodies) and we will probably never know (and I’m not sure many of us would comprehend the situation fully anyway).

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jan 28, 2011 1:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Who's calling for firings

I certainly haven’t said that any of the S&C coaches should go. Now, it may in time turn out that this is necessary, but we don’t know right now.

ALL I WANT is for the people in the office at Iowa who’s responsibility is managing the release of information and shaping public perception about the program to be somewhat competent at their jobs. The past couple of months have shown us that they aren’t.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Jan 28, 2011 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes it is.

Modern communications have skewered our sense of timeliness, but that is fast.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Jan 27, 2011 5:12 PM CST up reply actions  

No, modern communication has changed the definition of "timeliness."

72 hours is an eternity.


"If there's one thing Nixon is known for, it's class. Now let's cut this turd loose!"
- Richard Nixon's Head, President of Earth

by Bucketochicken on Jan 27, 2011 5:35 PM CST up reply actions  

So we should hold a press conference or put out a release within 30 minutes of every rumor?

That’s admittedly absurd, but my point remains the same: What do you consider a reasonable time for them to sort out some facts, decide the importance, get everyone on the same page, and administer a presser? I’d say 72 hours is still blazing fast.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Jan 27, 2011 6:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure Jim Poggi announced his 'brown wizz' on Thursday.

So it’s been a full week since some of the symptoms have been available. The UI SID had plenty of time to get control of this information.

(NOTE: A quick search shows that he’s since removed the status update in question, so I couldn’t verify the day that it went up)

by The Mexican't on Jan 27, 2011 7:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Pretty certain he posted that from the hospital on Tuesday.

Though the workout happened Thursday, Monday evening was when the players started getting admitted. Monday afternoon was probably the earliest that this was on the University’s radar.

by The Final Gun on Jan 27, 2011 8:23 PM CST up reply actions  

My point was referring to the DJK-25 players hoopla

But it appears it extends to this as well

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Jan 27, 2011 8:41 PM CST up reply actions  

It's your website, your article, and your right to your opinion.

I just don’t get the outcry, hyperbole, and calling for heads to roll, especially when I consider BHGP one of the few sites that takes most things in stride and doesn’t take a Chicken Little attitude to everything. In fact, it’s my observation the community tries to promote level-headedness instead of CF-type or HI-type inciting for outcry.

On another point, I certainly did not use “blogger” in a condescending way, you are reading something into that where nothing was placed.

And a huge point of your article is indeed about access (even if not using that specific word), and instant confirmation of “knowledge” obtained from Twitter/Facebook/rumor. I don’t think my reading comprehension skills were lacking there.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Jan 27, 2011 5:05 PM CST up reply actions  

So maybe the fact that BHGP is usually level headed and is raising an outcry about this should get your attention.

Much like I ignore the random youth who says “Fuck”, but if my mother says it, I immediately know something is very, very wrong.

by The Final Gun on Jan 27, 2011 5:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Doesn't mean she's right every time.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Jan 27, 2011 5:11 PM CST up reply actions  

No one's reading comprehension can possibly be this bad

So it would seem that you are just willful in your obstinancy.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Jan 28, 2011 9:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Now THAT is what I expect from BHGP.

Bravo.

"As long as he behaves himself in this town, I ain't got no, ah...jurisdiction." - Link Appleyard, NCAA Compliance Officer

by ReadingRambler on Jan 27, 2011 8:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Squashing dissenting opinions with a bunch of "Go fuck yourself" comments and taking Rorschachian offense to the word blogger?

Frankly, I expected better.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Jan 27, 2011 8:44 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Nor you

I very much like BHGP, and one of the reasons is the ability for open discussion on topics without the descent into “you’re an idiot” comments that is widely available elsewhere on the internet. Admittedly, disagreeing mightily with a mod and creator of my favorite website is dicey territory, but I greatly respect them for arguing their points and allowing me to continue arguing mine without booting me or asking me to go away like you’ve just done.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Jan 27, 2011 9:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I didn't ask you to go away

I just politely provided you with an alternative to coming on here and berating people because you don’t agree with the opinions of how the University is dealing with this situation. If your opposition to these opinions is so entrenched that you would refer to others’ opinions as “bullshit” maybe you should refrain from reading this thread.

by Lycurgus on Jan 28, 2011 7:25 AM CST up reply actions  

I think Catnuts' reading comprehension difficulties

have been firmly established by now. He’s fully entitled to his opinion and to express it; his problem lies in that he can see no other viewpoint but his own.

And Catnuts, when you write:

Now bloggers are complaining about lack of access just as much as the "old media" always has. Get over feeling so super-important that you have the right to know every detail…

it may be that you didn’t mean that be derogatory, but it sure doesn’t read that way. I’d venture to say that 9 out of 10 people would read it to be, at a minimum, a snarky, dismissive barb at bloggers. Again, you might not have meant it that way, but words have meaning, you should try to be a little more precise.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Jan 28, 2011 9:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Should I have instead said "People who write on blogs"?

Again, you are reading things that are not there.

I’m just going to stop arguing here because my entire argument is that people need to stop foaming at the mouth over minor blips on the radar like this.

My final words on the subject: In all facets of life, nothing is ever as bad or as good as it seems in the moment. Time heals wounds and gives perspective. Try to see that will happen and allow things to breathe.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Jan 28, 2011 9:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, in the long run, it all tends to work out

Then again, in the long run, we’re all dead.

And if you think this is a “minor blip”, then you really, really don’t understand what’s going on.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Jan 28, 2011 9:35 AM CST up reply actions  

so much for

the fucking play nice in the sandbox
BHGP has been for the honest discourse and
disagreement with minimal you
dumbfuck
insert any other insinuating innuendo
laden disparaging back and forth
retardo banter
oft fond on similar interested internet venues
for the sharing of something as
simple as
the love of the hawks
but what gets in the way
of this type of discussion
where the principle is the practice
or lack thereof
of honesty and forthright truth
get lost in the haddy yuck
really muck
too bad his spin
is more appropriate for a yo you

long live the pellican whore

I don't intend to upset folks with the way I write it just happens,,,

by OhioHawk on Jan 28, 2011 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

You are so weird

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Jan 28, 2011 5:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not sure why you expected "better".

"As long as he behaves himself in this town, I ain't got no, ah...jurisdiction." - Link Appleyard, NCAA Compliance Officer

by ReadingRambler on Jan 27, 2011 9:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Because I expect intelligent people to learn from their mistakes

Seems to me a large portion of the people (including mods/authors that I respect) that are going apeshit on this subject were the same people that less than a month ago expressed regret for prematurely going apeshit and believing too many rumors on the DJK/team drug issue.

I greatly respected everyone’s restraint on the Wegher issue, was stunned by the DJK outbreak, and saddened by this one.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Jan 28, 2011 12:10 AM CST up reply actions  

I believe I said, if this comment is directed my way, that DJK was busted over nonsense.

And guess what, it turns out he was.

We play tackle football, most of the time.

by Bellanca on Jan 28, 2011 10:18 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm not sure DJK was busted over nonsense.

But at this point, I’m pretty sure that anyone involved with the Johnson County Attorney is probably able to score an IQ of no higher than 40.

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Jan 29, 2011 12:19 AM CST up reply actions  

No, not at you.

It seemed to me that while you were indeed extremely verbose on the topic, your arching theme was that these are not huge crimes and are not indicative of a rot within the AD/Football complex/Ferentz. While fervently arguing against others’ opinions, you were calling for people to calm down about the severity of the issue.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Jan 28, 2011 10:22 AM CST up reply actions  

As were almost all the authors here

Other than jebus, who admitted he got a bit caught up in the emotion of the moment, all of the site’s authors were on the side calling for calm and a basic sense of perspective. Did a bunch of people lose their shit? Of course, that will happen in any group of more than 2 people. In fact, throughout all the “scandals” of this fall/winter, the site’s authors have been the first to call for calm and to caution against rampant speculation (even going so far as to ban discussion of unfounded rumors in the Wegher case).

So, again, when a group of people that have been remarkably consistent in their level-headedness and have refused to get caught up in the moment in numerous previous instances all think that this situation is serious, maybe you should give their reaction a bit more weight than simply dismising it as “going apeshit” because you happen to disagree with it.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Jan 28, 2011 11:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Now now.

I agreed with just about everything you just said, but don’t come near my Credence Clearwater Revival, or anything from before 1975, for that matter.

So what if I tailgate to the NPR jazz station?

by hkobb7 on Jan 27, 2011 9:32 PM CST up reply actions  

So very, very rec'd

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Jan 28, 2011 9:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Well said.

I agree with parts of what Catnuts said, but agree that this isn’t what the post was about, and is probably a side argument to have elsewhere.

Also: I only listen to music that rocks.

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jan 28, 2011 1:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Preach On!

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Jan 29, 2011 12:21 AM CST up reply actions  

YYYYYEEEEEAAAAAHHHHH!!!! RAWK!!!

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

by Blackheartnopants on Jan 29, 2011 11:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't mind having an offense from the 1930s

Because you can still win games in that fashion.

The thing is though, there are youth either attending or working for the University who DO understand how this stuff works. There’s a college of journalism at Iowa – can’t we make up a bullshit “modern communications consultant” intern position and get an intelligent 20 year old in there to get our directors up to speed on what they need to know?

I have the same fashion sense as Tom Arnold.

by CyHawk on Jan 27, 2011 5:29 PM CST reply actions  

I want the football team to win and the U of I to look good

Do widespread rumors hurt the university and the team? I think they do.
Potential recruits may have seen the ESPN coverage of the 13 players hospitalized.
Before the “drug tests” press conference, I was at a highschool BB game, and everyone was talking about “DJK had an excel spreadsheet with player names and drug orders.”

This fanbase doesn’t have a lot to do in the winter. Everyone will jump all over any facebook or twitter post from a player.

I am ashamed of our fanbase this winter, but the rumors and the speculation they spread were fueled by cryptic press releases.
I think the university can do a better job of faster damage control, wasn’t that the point of this write-up?

by whohawk on Jan 27, 2011 8:39 PM CST reply actions  

“This fanbase doesn’t have a lot to do in the winter. Everyone will jump all over any facebook or twitter post from a player.”

This is a huge problem. And it seems to me that a lot of the same people complaining about how bad the coaches/university are at controlling social media are the same that complain that Ferentz is trying to stifle his own players interaction with social media. But whatever.

As far as the rumors go, I think people are incorrect in assuming that rumors can go away as fast as they come. The people in charge have other responsibilities and can’t just go on Twitter and say whatever they think would control the situation to pacify the fans who want to know everything right away. They need to gather facts; contact parents (who have a right to know way before media) ; and get info from whatever staff may be involved. A misstep by a random dude on twitter doesn’t mean anything. Nobody is being held accountable for the DJK rumors because nobody has to be. But people at the university can be held accountable for false statements. People could lose their job over false perceptions as people here should know (look back at the people that seemed to think Ferentz should have resigned after Everson despite the facts showing he handled the situation appropriately by trying to stay out of the way of the police and investigation.) The people actually in charge need to be concerned with correctness over speed…and that’s the way it should be.

For example, what if they came out right away and said “DJK was acting alone, no other players are expected to be implicated.” Then, we find out they’re wrong and a few other players were implicated due to new information. Then the story isn’t “Why is the University so slow?” , but instead “Why is the University LYING to us?” which is infinitely worse. In a lot of jobs, including PR and legal work, timeliness is important, but errors can be fatal.

The world would be a better place if people would relearn ‘patience’ and realize that some things take time rather than immediately demand answers NOW NOW NOW. I know that’s pie in the sky thinking and it’ll never happen now that the figurative cat is out of the bag. But I wish it wasn’t, you know.

by DisplacedHawkeye82 on Jan 27, 2011 11:59 PM CST up reply actions  

the speed with which facebook and twitter stuff spreads

is unfortunate, since often people don’t wait for the facts to come out. but thats a problem that’s never going away, and the sooner Iowa realizes that, the sooner they can take steps to correct it. social media and the subsequent wild speculation is here to stay, like it or not.

by Loretta8 on Jan 28, 2011 1:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Again, I know that.

But expecting people with responsibilities to be responding immediately to people without responsibilities is never going to work. One side has to be careful about what they’re saying due to the law, due to privacy concerns, and duties owed to other persons besides the press including staff and parents. Having some grad-assistant on Twitter to respond immediately to stories isn’t going to help matters in the long run because all it takes is for that guy to spout off once with wrong information and the word becomes “cover up” instead of “stonewalling”

I wish people could be patient again, but they’re not going to be. Which means they’re going to be disappointed so long as there are more consequences for getting it wrong than getting it done quickly.

by DisplacedHawkeye82 on Jan 28, 2011 7:28 AM CST up reply actions  

I could not agree with you more

and I am surprised to see how much of a minority people of that opinion are on this blog. I would much rather have the 48-72 hours to make sure the press release when it comes is correct than have some kid with a twitter blasting back at rumors without knowing the facts as an official rep of the University.

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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Jan 28, 2011 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

I think what a lot of people on here might want is an immediate release saying “we are gathering information, this is what little we do know, more to come” and then to actually have the “more to come” release or presser happen when they initially said it was. Also, the follow up should ideally contain more information than the initial “here’s what little we know” release.

I think what it comes down to is that people expect quick responses acknowledging a situation, even if the response admits that you’re still gathering information.

by PackerHawk on Jan 28, 2011 4:13 PM CST up reply actions  

And again, this story is far less important, but...

How did Jay Cutler get ahead of the story about him pussing out in the NFL game? As soon as he sat down, people were on the internet talking about how he didn’t have heart; didn’t have guts; how he wasn’t really injured.

Then it turns out he has an MCL tear. Whoops. How was he supposed to get ahead of that story? When people can gossip from the comforts of their own home, getting ahead of the story has become pretty much myth.

by DisplacedHawkeye82 on Jan 28, 2011 12:02 AM CST reply actions  

Truth here.

But the Twitterati don’t want to hear it.

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by therealCatnuts on Jan 28, 2011 12:06 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm failing to see the connection

the Cutler thing happened on national television, in a game everyone was watching. This Iowa situation happened out of the public eye in a closed workout, making it much easier for the school to influence the public’s opinion. Two completely different situations.

by Loretta8 on Jan 28, 2011 1:05 AM CST up reply actions  

The Cutler thing is also so much less involved than this incident.

There is one guy and his knee ligament involved. But they still couldn’t do anything until they had the information, and by that time it was already too late. People need to think before they Twitter or post uninformed opinions, but I guess we’re just supposed to accept those days are gone and buried and place the blame on the people releasing the information rather on those that can’t wait until they know what is happening.

by DisplacedHawkeye82 on Jan 28, 2011 7:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Again

the difference is real-time vs. delayed. The Cutler thing happened live and a bunch of people immediately opined about it. And ONCE THE STORY BROKE, a bunch of people immediately started offering opinions about Iowa’s workouts. The difference? The SID office knew about the hospitalizations BEFORE the story broke and did nothing to get out ahead of things and at least try to shape the story. Instead, they did nothing until after the fact, then released a content-less memo and blithely assumed that no one would be interested in a story where 10 FUCKING PERCENT of the football team is laid up in the hospital with a condition that can be incredibly damaging and even fatal. That is simple incompetence.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Jan 28, 2011 9:27 AM CST up reply actions  

You may not shout loud enough or agree with the mods enough

for enough people to agree with you, but you are absolutely correct. I wish comments like this could get as many recs as some of the others.

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by therealCatnuts on Jan 28, 2011 10:18 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree

that words need to be chosen clearly. But here, they weren’t. The whole thing reeked of amateur hour. And that’s what the article above is criticizing, and what I’m harping on.

Look, there are any number of things that cannot be said yet or are not yet known. And if the SID had any competency, they could have gotten out in front of the story rather easily, and said no more than they basically did. All they would have needed to do was clearly and succinctly state – within the parameters of disclosure laws – (1) what was known; (2) what they didn’t know; (3) what steps were being taken in regard to (a) the players affected and (b) workouts going forward; and finally (4) indicate that a full report would be forthcoming after this was properly investigated.

In other words, EXACTLY WHAT THEY DID, after the fact. By waiting until after this blew up, the entire staff/team looks reactive, instead of proactive. Worse, it made them look as if they didn’t think it was a big deal. I don’t believe that is the case, but the perception is there; and it was created by the rather cavalier, blase’ method and attitude used in the PR release. The real fault is of substance, but of timing. Get in front of this and it projects an aura of competence, concern and being proactive. In other words, in charge. Waiting, as was done, only looks like you have no idea what you’re doing, you don’t care and/or there is something to hide. As someone else posted above, the negative fallout was almost entirely avoidable if some basic competency had been exercised. Unfortunately, it wasn’t.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Jan 28, 2011 10:51 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

er, should read
The real fault is not one of substance, but of timing.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Jan 28, 2011 11:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Story is now on Drudge.

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by Bellanca on Jan 28, 2011 11:18 AM CST up reply actions  

and again

should the release with the above info go our before the families of affected players are contacted? Just because we want accurate information quickly does not mean that it can be produced at that rate.

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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Jan 28, 2011 11:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Maybe not a full press release

But something that indicates that the staff is aware of the situation and on top of it. Again, the fault of the SID office here is one of perception, and its failure to stay in front of the story, not in what information they did, or did not, release.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Jan 28, 2011 11:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Really?

You need to know that the staff is “aware of the situation and on top of it”… Really? You are going to feel so much better if the UI puts out a release saying .. yes we know that we have a problem here.. do you seriously think they don’t know.. is this a huge concern?

 I don’t know how you make any release about 13 Iowa players being hospitalized without first connecting with all parents involved. I guess I am just in the camp that looks at the “stay in front of the story” and laughs. In today’s world where any player can update their twitter and start this story in less than 10 seconds it is IMPOSSIBLE to be the one breaking the story in most of these cases. I would much rather have the University cover some bases (such as parents, privacy laws, basic facts of the situation) before rushing to get ahead of the story with what could be innacurate information.

How much worse is this situation if the University inadvertantly lied to the press because they rushed to get something out. How much worse is it if you have every parent of an Iowa football player freaking out because the University told the press before them. I think that would really paint a picture of a department that did not care about the players and families. I could see a parent being upset because the University didn’t bother to call before making a release and they would have a right to be!

Can we please be realistic with our expectations of response time. If you really want UI sending out tweets and FB updates to respond to rumors then you will have to deal with all of the backlash that comes with it. In my opinion this would include when they accidentally lie about a situation which would be a much bigger shitstorm then we are currently facing.

Sorry if this comes off as too aggressive. I just think no one is looking at the logistics of communicating with the media and getting too obsessed with little phrases like “getting ahead of it” without imagining what that means.

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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Jan 28, 2011 11:43 AM CST up reply actions  

You're right

because waiting until after the story got out worked out SOOOO much better for everyone.

Look, at some point Monday afternoon, the AD’s office should have been aware that a story was brewing. Why? becasue a stream of players were being admitted to the hospital with the same ailment. Now, information was probably sketchy, and the parents had to be notified. You’re getting too hung up on the substance of what was/was not said; that’s largely irrelevant to my point. All the university had to say was something along the lines of

X number of players have been admitted to the University of Iowa Hospital with similar conditions. At this time we are notifying the family of the players affected and workiing to ensure the problem is not more widespread and that the players are getting proper treatment. Both Coach Ferentz and Gary Barta have been made aware of the situation and are in constant communication with the staff and players families. At this time, we cannot provide any more information but will make information available as soon as is possible and practicable.

Would that have eliminated all the gossip and backlash? Of course not, but it would have taken care of probably 90% of the issue. Instead, we get a limp press release telling us nothing and with the unbelievable expectation that “No further comment is expected.”

I’m not saying my method is the perfect way to handle it. But the way it WAS handled is an example of complete, and systemic failure on the part of the SID. To wit, shape the story and, secondly, provide information.

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by HoyaGoon on Jan 28, 2011 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

here is the problem

“Would that have eliminated all the gossip and backlash? Of course not,”

That is not going to slow down any of the gossip or backlash. In addition it is going to stop very little of the “The University sucks at PR why don’t they tell us more” arguments and outrage. In addition to that you do it on Monday afternoon and you have every parent you have been unable to contact calling you pissed off because they are worried their child was checked into the hospital with “a similar condition” and it appears the University cares more about getting ahead of the story than ensuring the parents are well informed. I think the headline of “They don’t care enough to call before going to the press” looks as bad or worse than anything we have seen.

IMO your press release solves almost nothing and has potential to create all sorts of new problems. You are completely right in saying that there may be no perfect way of handling it. This, like DJK and AROB is going to look bad no matter how it is shaped but I would rather see the program error on the side of caution with facts and those inside the program than make a hasty decision.

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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Jan 28, 2011 1:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Not to be a dick

But I don’t see how that press release makes things any better. In fact, I can see many reasons why the situation might get even worse.

by DisplacedHawkeye82 on Jan 28, 2011 1:20 PM CST up reply actions  

good to know i'm not alone

Idiots unite!

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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Jan 28, 2011 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

The difference is

media outlets would have found out from the university and not a players twitter account. As Hoya said earlier, it would have made them look proactive, not “Oh crap, we have players in the hospital? We didn’t know until we saw the twitter either”

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Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?

by chitownhawkeye on Jan 28, 2011 5:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Look, I'm not really sure what side of this debate I come down on

but one thing is for certain; this notion of needing to “contact the families/parents of the kids involved first” as the reason the presser came three days later is absurd. The parents of these kids aren’t working aboard the International Spacestation, on a Saharan archeological expedition or trapped in a mine shaft. If their kids were hurt/ill it shouldn’t have taken long to a) contact them,b) tell them what was known and c) get everyone on the same page.

To that end, it’s also not as though the University of Iowa Athletic department employs a solitary blue-haired woman at a desk making calls via rotary phone in between filing her nails and filling crosswords. They have an entire staff of people in what I would assume is a fairly well-funded office capable of using both traditional and even the newer forms of media that ended up breaking the story in the first place. Something like the large-scale hospitalization of student athletes is enough to put the day-to-day functions of the office on the backburner and get people working the phones/email/carrier pigeons en masse.

So again, while I’m not sure what the correct course of action should have been (although the chosen path certainly looks pretty awful), the time it should have taken to get parents up to speed and get on the same page shouldn’t have taken much longer than 24 hours.

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by Kyle McCann't on Jan 28, 2011 12:18 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I don't know if anybody thinks it is the sole reason.

It’s just one thing (of many) that needs to be done before the University releases a statement. And it also is a continuing process. Not only should the parents be contacted to know their kids are in the hospital, but they should be the first to know why, what the conditions were, prognosis, etc. It isn’t just a phone call to say “Hey, your kids in the hospital” and then releasing the reasons why to the media.

There are a ton of reasons to be careful about this stuff. That’s just one of them.

by DisplacedHawkeye82 on Jan 28, 2011 1:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I clearly stated that I don't have a strong opinion one way or another

but rather that particular facet of the “anti-presser” argument rings hollow since it’s is about a couple of hours worth of basic work i.e. I wouldn’t cite it as part of the overall justification for not speeding the process up lest I weaken my argument. Don’t read into it any further.

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by Kyle McCann't on Jan 28, 2011 3:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I may have read some things wrong...

but were they still tracking down kids that may have needed to go to the hospital at that point (when they should also be calling parents?)

I’d say that, you make sure nobody dies first, then you call the parents, then you might talk to the press. If the athletic department worked in that order, that’s cool by me.

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by WaterlooChazz on Jan 29, 2011 12:29 AM CST up reply actions  

This is a societal issue.

It’s perception. For so long so many companies and other organizations have put out pointless press releases that say stuff like “We are aware of the situation… blah, blah, blah.”
Now people are used to seeing that kind of worthless crap, so when they don’t see it there is an anti-Pavlovian response and they think something is fishy.
People are used to “reputable” news sources breaking into programming with a special bulletin to say: “There is a police chase on the 101. We don’t know who’s driving, why they are running, how police are responding (other than to chase), and we don’t have any video… but we wanted to be the first to let you know of something that might be newsworthy once we gather actual details. Remember, we were the FIRST to bring this to you so stick with us when we start to actually report something.”
People are used to this crap, and it actually hurts our society (just think of how many people are calling for firings of this or that coach from across the country, and this is while we still don’t know a god damn thing about what happened… but PEOPLE MUST BE FIRED), but people don’t change what they are used to without some prodding.

It’s not going to change, so we should probably get someone who knows how to be a bullshit artist.

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jan 28, 2011 2:15 PM CST up reply actions  

And yet,

some of us like the fact that Hawkeye athletics is usually not a place where bullshit artists are at work, or at least not a place they shine.

If you think about it, one of our basketball coaches was considered a bit of a BS artist, and now most of us really dislike [name redacted].

On the other hand, Hayden Fry and Lute were slight BS artists, and are quite beloved.

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by WaterlooChazz on Jan 29, 2011 12:32 AM CST up reply actions  

rec'd

for making points that everyone who thinks we need a PR department firing back at rumors from Twitter seems to ignore.

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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Jan 28, 2011 11:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Of course no one is asking for that: it's straw man/false choice number 892 in this thread.

But rumor is you were some sort of philosophy/theology major so I would imagine you would have flunked out if you tried such forms of “reasoning” and “argument.”

Knocking down straw men is easier than confronting an argument, but harder than calling someone an jerk.

We play tackle football, most of the time.

by Bellanca on Jan 28, 2011 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

No one is calling for that?

How many times has it been said that the University needs to embrace the new technology and use it to their advantage to control the flow of information. I am not going to take the time to go through all of the posts through these last three “crisis” to point them out but they are there and its not just one person. Also, good to see you resort to name calling and personal attacks.. that is usually a sign of someone with outstanding “reasoning” skills.

I know I am the minority in this thread in thinking that doing PR right takes time. Sometimes longer than what we would like to see and certainly longer than the new media wants. Obviously the media will be critical of the University when it takes them longer to respond than they want. Their jobs depend upon getting that information and when it doesn’t flow as freely as they want it they are going to be the first to claim incompetence and poor response.

I am still of the opinion that nothing should be officially said from the University until there is a basic understanding of facts and the families of affected (and in this case unaffected players) have been notified.

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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Jan 28, 2011 1:05 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

What a bully you are.

Honestly. People disagree with you. Grow up and accept it.

by DisplacedHawkeye82 on Jan 28, 2011 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm just an ignorant social scientist

But aren’t the academic studies of philosophy/theology all about reasoning and argument?

And yes, people have been calling for the SID to respond quickly to news that breaks through social media. While “firing back at rumors from Twitter” might not be the most “polite” wording, it seems a relatively accurate assessment of what many people have been calling for.

by PackerHawk on Jan 28, 2011 4:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Stefon says the hottest club in IC right now is "RhabDon't"

Imagine an entire warehouse full of squat racks, weight sleds, strobe lights, and deafening speed metal. They’ve got everything: Squat-Browns (that thing where you do squats until your wiz turns brown), hospital gowns, IV drips, little Pennslyvania Dutch people golfing while wearing hard hats, bizzarre press conferences, and Sally Mason. Every hour there’s a Two Minutes Hate featuring the FitzWizard and Purdue Pete.

by RazorHawk on Jan 28, 2011 9:27 AM CST reply actions  

Too soon?

Seriously though, best wishes to all Hawkeyes involved, hope for a speedy recovery so you can get back to kicking ass in the weight room and on the field in Spring ball.

by RazorHawk on Jan 28, 2011 9:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Too soon indeed

Which might be why I got such a good chuckle out of it. And yes, I’m a horrible, horrible person for finding it funny.

by PackerHawk on Jan 28, 2011 4:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah.

I hate SNL, and I wasn’t super-fond of that post a couple of weeks ago (was it from Horace?)

But this was quite funny, Razor.

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by WaterlooChazz on Jan 29, 2011 12:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Well, this thing is not looking like it will have a happy ending

and that will make the slow and disjointed Iowa response to this look even worse. I am sad that we cannot ably handle these things. Again, I worked at a University for most of my professional life and it doesn’t have to be this way. But first, you have to adopt a proactive mindset. Iowa just seems old fashioned right now on the media front. The athletic department literally seem surprised by social media, yet I bet all freshmen are oriented to the university via Facebook. It just weird and I really hope some leadership shows up soon. As it is, I think Doyle’s reputation and maybe even his career has been seriously hurt by Iowa’s clunky response—whether that is deserved or not. The whole thing is so botched. Urgh. And none of this accounts for what is looking more and more like some kids who might have some permanent damage to their kidneys.

When I read today that a couple of players are apparently 30-50 pounds heavier today than they were on Monday I put on my parent hat and then kind of lost my shit.

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by StoopsMyAss on Jan 28, 2011 2:37 PM CST reply actions  

Where did you see the '30-50 pound' report?

Can’t find it.

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by Bellanca on Jan 28, 2011 4:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Never mind, read it.

We play tackle football, most of the time.

by Bellanca on Jan 28, 2011 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Link?

Having trouble myself finding it.

by Eubanks on Jan 28, 2011 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

ESPN, Joe Schad. Very upsetting.

Rittenberg also mentions in his blog that he’s tired of getting emails from people saying this is a commonplace event that happens everywhere blah blah blah.

I’m still kind of in shock at the anger and cavalier attitude here, on this blog, in respect to what’s happened. I think maybe 20 people understand what’s at stake, what’s on the line. I would have thought the number would have been higher. IF the reports are true, there are young men in the University Hospital who are in trouble.

We play tackle football, most of the time.

by Bellanca on Jan 28, 2011 4:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I think maybe 20 people understand what’s at stake, what’s on the line. I would have thought the number would have been higher. IF the reports are true, there are young men in the University Hospital who are in trouble

Way to generalize based on comments from here. I think there are people, like myself, on here who understand that rhabdo is serious but aren’t willing to immediately jump to a conclusion about firing people, calling for investigations, or overreacting based solely on the fact that these players are seriously ill without finding out what the root cause is. People who are going that far ARE overreacting and creating an environment that isn’t conducive to taking the time to thoroughly investigating the issue.

Before you flame me for creating a straw man argument or something else. I’m not accusing you of seething or being irate. I’m not telling you to back down. I also ran into a former student of mine and another football player at UIHC last night. Both of them are obviously swollen in odd ways from the water weight they’ve gained. They are both in obvious pain, but at least able to walk around the hospital on their own power and in street clothes. They are obviously experiencing a serious medical condition, so I realize it’s serious. But I don’t want to place blame or criticize much other than the PR aspect of the university right now.

by PackerHawk on Jan 28, 2011 5:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, you will admit that if these kids are not doing extreme workouts none of this happens

right? So, the trigger is the workout. What is being investigated is the factors “other than the workout itself” that exacerbated this. I have not heard one person suggest that a light workout might have led to this. The players themselves called is a taxing workout. Those were comments directly from the players.

I understand that an investigation needs to take place. All parties deserve that much. But if some people here express grave concerns for the program, I would say it is pretty justified.

Personally, I think the strength and conditioning program is forever changed, effective immediately. I think Ferentz is going to really have a hard time collecting himself from this one. I am sure he is devastated and probably is wondering about a lot things right now. I can see why he didn’t return immediately. The pressure to recruit is tremendous and coming off this season maybe greater than ever. Barta, to me, needed to take control here. He should have called Ferentz and said, we need to get back there. The press conference is, without a doubt, one of Iowa’s worst communication moments. That is without question to me.

And I think Barta is potentially going to get really hurt with this one. Even if every kid is on the field at the spring game, playing, I think he gets really hurt here. If some of these kids sue Iowa, and I am bracing for that, I think he could eventually be toast.

Finally, I also think Doyle is permanently scarred. I am shocked by how many talking heads are suggesting the Iowa S&C program was barbaric and out of control. No counterbalance about Doyle’s reputation…at all. No one will be listening either when in two weeks or a month these talking heads take it back and recant and say, “well, we’ve since learned this was a pretty common workout at top level programs.” That is how important that first presser really is…it sets the ground rules for the discussion.

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by StoopsMyAss on Jan 28, 2011 8:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll admit that without the extreme workouts, this doesn't happen

But there may also be other reasons that the extreme workouts lead to rhabdo instead of just soreness. We won’t know for sure until everything has been examined.

However, I’m not willing to say, with the information available at this time, that the extreme workouts were uncalled for. We know that they did damage in hindsight, but these athletes do extreme workouts on a regular basis. It looks like the workouts were poorly timed, but I’m not a S&C pro, so I don’t know if what they did is something that should never have been done, or if this is a case of doing something the way you’ve tended to do it but it blowing up in your face this time.

I’m sure that some people will suffer hits to their reputations, some already have. I wouldn’t be surprised if there is disciplinary action taken by the UI or AD, and if one or more people get fired. I’m just not sure who the shoe will fall on, and don’t feel comfortable saying upon whom it should. I do know that former Hawkeyes are still saying they’ll come train with Doyle this summer (Moeaki and Clark off the top of my head) and that there are others who have worked with Doyle that are tweeting their support. So the damage to Doyle may be in the sports fan community more than the S&C community.

by PackerHawk on Jan 28, 2011 8:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I think anyone who reads my posts often enough know that my overriding concern very often is "perception"

that college football is so perception driven, from recruiting to polling, how you are perceived is pretty important. And, the perception out there for going on a week is that Iowa’s Strength and Conditioning Program had a serious lapse in judgment (that is putting it mildly as most discussion on this has suggested our S&C is barbaric), the head coach is heartless and has his priorities mixed up, ditto for the AD, as an institution Iowa does PR akin to how it was done in Brezhnev’s Russia, and there are kids whose parents are livid because their kid’s kidneys might not ever be the same. Oh, and now ESPN has tossed out potential lawsuits. And still the one guy who could possibly pour just a smidgen of water on this inferno has said almost nothing outside of a two paragraph press release, just today.

That collectively is what I would call a total disaster. And I don’t think it had to be that way. We’ll learn in the 90 days I guess if any of this ever had to happen.

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by StoopsMyAss on Jan 28, 2011 8:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, perception is definitely reality. I walk the line between postmodernism and positivism in my own mind constantly.

And I know that you’re very cognizant of that fact. I agree that the damage has been done to the perception’s of the program and that the most inflammatory stuff can’t be undone by (possible) future retractions.

I guess that even at my tender age of 32, I yearn for a time like the 90s when news only broke at a cable pace and not a tweet pace. Such a simpler time, but it’s not our current reality.

Not surprised at all by the talk of a lawsuit. Any time somebody’s child is injured outside of their direct supervision, it’s pretty much an inevitability. In my opinion, it’s still too know if you can assign fault to anyone or if there is a combination of factors that prevent assigning legal fault in this case (standard I’m not a lawyer disclaimer, just pontificating).

by PackerHawk on Jan 28, 2011 9:56 PM CST up reply actions  

30-50 pounds.

Fluid retention, right?

/I’m too lazy to read the article.

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by WaterlooChazz on Jan 29, 2011 12:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes.

And from what I saw last night, it’s not a pretty 30-50. Not evenly distributed and it gives them a very odd appearance. Add in the limping and obvious muscle pain and the seriousness is apparent. Not that appearance is an important concern, just an observation.

by PackerHawk on Jan 29, 2011 1:52 AM CST up reply actions  

I had a friend,

who is very overweight (like me). He was in the hospital last year with fluid retention due to a kidney stone.

Yes, it can build up in weird spots and make you look wacky. I think the typical parts would be the legs and the torso, but perhaps other areas, as well?

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Jan 29, 2011 10:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Seriously, how is this Phil Haddy's fault?

Calling for the head of a guy whose been doing his job well before any of us were born is crazy talk.

Barta, Ferentz or Doyle are the only people in the position to give answers about this situation. Whether they were out of town or not they did not send a representative, so that pretty much shows they don’t want to talk to the press. Don’t know if they are still gathering facts, protecting players privacy, not able to add anything additional to what broke in other social media, etc, but clearly they don’t want to make a comment to the masses at this time. And if that’s the case, what is a SID suppose to do? He’s not in the position to give answers yet he has to make some type of press conference without the presence of any of the guys who could provide the answers and likely know (to an extent) what went down.

BTW, hope you feel proud after taking a classless cheap shot at Bob Brooks for being an old man who hasn’t adapted to social media. That’s just bad karma… what goes around comes around.

by Big Apple Hawk on Jan 28, 2011 3:30 PM CST reply actions  

If you can't tolerate a Bob Brooks joke...

then BHGP is not your cup of tea.

I think even Bob Brooks enjoys a good “Bob Brooks is so old…” joke at this point.

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Jan 29, 2011 12:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Yep. If you think that's offensive ...

do NOT visit the All Stanzi All The Time Thread

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

by Blackheartnopants on Jan 29, 2011 11:49 PM CST up reply actions  

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