Wha Happened? Big Ten Bowl Game Edition
Wha Happened? is the weekly round-up of the rest of the games that were in the Big Ten -- you know, the ones that were going on while you were shotgunning that beer, or watching Iowa, or sleeping off that early-morning tailgating. Who won? Who lost? Who made us quiver with fear? Who made us laugh hysterically? In short... Wha Happened? Now with new-and-improved performance ranking system!
Yeah, there's still one more Big Ten team to go (Ohio State in Tuesday's Sugar Bowl), but I don't feel like waiting until then to talk about these games.
WIN
Rose Bowl -- #3 TCU 21, #5 WISCONSIN 19 (coverage)
Well, this category name is a bit ironic... but I'll be damned if I'm giving Illinois the honors here. Of all the losses that a Big Ten team suffered on New Year's Day, this loss is probably the one that will haunt its coach and players the most -- because it was by far the most winnable of the bunch, as well as the game that probably should have been won if the team had just played to its strengths. Wisconsin ran the ball on 20 of 28 first downs, with most of the pass plays coming in the second half. Only six of those twenty first-down runs went for less than at least four yards (and one of those was a 1-yard TD, so it was still successful). When Wisconsin fully committed to the no-frills, straight-ahead rushing attack that was their bread and butter this season, they looked unstoppable: see their first and last drives of the game. That success running the ball also set up the play-action that was so successful on their second scoring drive, too. Or put another way: Montee Ball had over 100 yards rushing early in the second quarter; he ended the game with just 130 yards.
I understand the need to throw in a few change-ups to keep a defense from completely loading up to stop things, but running stretch plays simply played to the strengths of TCU's speedy defense and calling so many deep passing routes did the same (and emphasized the weaknesses of Scott Tolzien and his receivers, particularly since they were drop-happy in this game). There's nothing particularly sexy about pounding the ball up the gut over and over and over -- but if the other team can't reliably stop it (and TCU couldn't), why go away from it? Wisconsin spent most of the second half going away from their identity on offense and they paid the price for it. The Badger defense played well enough to win -- they buckled down after allowing touchdowns on TCU's first two drives and only gave up one more score the rest of the way and forced multiple TCU punts -- but the offense couldn't do their part and while the TCU defense played well (TCU LB Tank Carder made a ton of plays in the game), the Wisconsin offense made it easier on them by getting cute on offense. Hayden Fry was at the game yesterday to be enshrined in the Rose Bowl Hall of Fame and while he's not exactly the go-to coach when it comes to Rose Bowl success, even he could told Bielema what to do yesterday: "scratch where it itches, you idiot." It itched between the tackles yesterday, but Bielema and OC Paul Chryst decided it made more sense to scratch around the edges and downfield -- and that's why TCU is celebrating a Rose Bowl win today.
PLACE
Outback Bowl -- FLORIDA 37, PENN STATE 24 (coverage)
This was the game I watched the most from the Big Ten's early slate and not because I have any particular affection for either program or any of the players (in fact, these are probably two of the least talented outfits these programs have rolled out in years). No, it was simply the only game that was still actually competitive after the midpoint of the second quarter. The emergence of Penn State's offense under walk-on-turned-ginger-avenger Matt McGloin was one of the better stories of the season and early on it seemed destined to have a happy ending: he led the PSU offense down the field and looked good doing it. Unfortunately, then he remembered that he was (and still is) a former walk-on and he proceeded to throw five of the most mind-numbingly bad interceptions you'll ever see -- along with a handful of other passes that could have (probably should have) been intercepted, too.
His 5-INT day (and the generally schizophrenic nature of his performance) drew some comparisons to the Americanzi and, in particular, his own 5-INT day against Indiana in 2009 -- but many of Stanzi's passes were good throws that died in a brutal wind that day. Granted, he deserves some scorn for so doggedly throwing deep balls into the wind, but the wind still had a huge impact on that day. There was no such wind tunnel in effect in Tampa yesterday; McGloin's decisions - and throws - were just hilariously, absurdly off the mark much of the time. Why JoePa stuck so doggedly with McGloin rather than give young Bob Bolden a shot (it's not like he could have been any worse, right?) will go down as an odd mystery (people wondered the same about Vandenberg in the Indiana game, but at least Stanzi was a two-year starter at that point with a rep for pulling himself out of self-made holes and Vandenberg was a totally untested freshman; McGloin is a shaky half-season starter and Bolden started for over a month himself). Florida didn't play particularly well on offense all day (many of their scorers were set up by short fields from McGloin giveaways), but it's also hard to lose when the other team throws five interceptions and lets you block a punt for a touchdown. Florida scored 28 points off of those miscues.
SHOW
Formerly Known As The Citrus Bowl -- #16 ALABAMA 49, #9 MICHIGAN STATE 7 (coverage)
PROTIP: If you want to prove that you were wrongly passed over for a BCS slot and that you deserved to be in a better bowl, it's a good idea to NOT lay a gigantic egg in the game you are playing. Michigan State looked woefully out of their depth in this game, almost from the opening snap. The game was 28-0 at halftime and 49-0 early in the fourth quarter... and it could have been worse if Nick Saban hadn't been merciful enough to yank his offensive starters fairly early. Not that it mattered much: Alabama's third or fourth-string running back (Eddie Lacy) had two touchdowns and 86 yards in this game. Look, any time you have to punt from fourth and goal because the possession has been such a disaster... well, it's probably a sign the game is not going your way.
Sure, it didn't help that Sparty was without their leading receiver (B.J. Cunningham) and that their #2 WR went down with an injury (Mark Dell), but they were utterly overmatched in this game. Alabama looked bigger, stronger, faster, and better-coached across the board. Michigan State had a nice season and they've got a Big Ten Championship trophy to show for it, but they were the beneficiaries of good luck and a fortuitous schedule -- they avoided Ohio State entirely and played Wisconsin early, before the Badgers got their juggernaut of an offense humming. Any team that dances on the edge as much as the 2010 Sparty team did is bound to get a reality check at some point, and Sparty got that and more in both of their losses this year. They also had the misfortune of drawing an Alabama team that may have been one of the best 3-loss teams in recent memory. Still, it would have been nice if the Spartans had at least showed up for this game and given it a glimmer of respectability.
Gator Bowl -- #21 MISSISSIPPI STATE 52, MICHIGAN 14 (coverage)
It's not often that you can say that the Michigan defense wasn't the most disappointing unit in a game (unless you're singling out the Michigan special teams for scorn), but there's not much surprise in them being terrible. Granted, conceding 52 points was a bit excessive even by their rock-bottom standards (35.2 ppg, 108th in the NCAA), especially against an offense as unassuming as Mississippi State (29 ppg, 47th in the NCAA). Hell, it was the most points Mississippi State had scored in any game since putting up 61 on Middle Tennessee State in 2000. So, yes, the Michigan defense was bad -- very, very bad. But everyone expected that, so it's silly to be surprised that they were simply a bit worse than we were already expecting.
No, the real shocker was the the vanishing act pulled off by the Michigan offense. After scoring a quick 14 points in the first quarter they simply... disappeared. From a numbers standpoint, The Denard appeared to have a decent day passing -- 27/41, 254 yards, 2/1 TD/INT -- but the problem is that he had to pass that much. While he had some pinpoint accurate passes early, he's simply not a good enough passer to throw that much all game and certainly not when he becomes a de facto pocket passer, which Michigan's playcalling did to him at times. The Michigan running game, one of the best in the nation for most of the year (238.5 ypg, 13th best), amassed just 88 yards on 25 carries. 59 of those came from Robinson, which means that his running backs chipped in for a whopping 29 yards combined. Then again, they only got 14 total carries, so it's not as though they had much of an opportunity to get into a rhythm. But when the only unit that Michigan could hang its hat on pulls a no-show act against a defense that was good but not all-world, well... Au revoir, RichRod. It's been fun.
Texas Bowl -- ILLINOIS 38, BAYLOR 14 (coverage)
Hell didn't totally freeze over (jNW didn't win a bowl game), but there must be a little frost on the plains of eternal torment: how else do you explain a Ron Zook-coached team coming out of the gate looking prepared and disciplined? (Maybe coordinators Paul Petrino and Vic Koening just tied Zook up and locked him in a closet for bowl prep.) Illinois jumped out to a 24-0 lead early in the fourth quarter that could have been even more lopsided if they'd been able to convert any of the three Derek Dimke field goals that started their scoring into touchdowns. But eventually the touchdowns did start flowing (Mikel LeShoure had three by himself) and Baylor's goose was cooked. Baylor had a glimmer of hope when they chopped the lead to 24-14 early in the fourth quarter and it looked like another patented Zooker meltdown was in the works -- but after forcing a stop, Baylor's offense went three and out, and Illinois' offense drove the length of the field to punch in the game-icing score.
There was no shortage of heroes for Illinois on the day. Nathan Scheelhaase started the game 13/13 and ended the day 18/23 for 242 yards with nary a turnover -- and added 53 yards and a score on the ground, too. Mikel LeShoure was an absolute monster yet again (29 carries, 184 yards, 3 TD); if he was auditioning for the NFL, I'd guess he made one hell of an impression. If he decides to come back, he should be a heavy favorite to be All-Big Ten. The Illini got some help from the defensive side of the ball, too, as some of their heavily-hyped players (Martez Wilson, Corey Liuget) delivered on their promise. Liuget, in particular, was a force and barely blockable by Baylor. For once, the future actually looks kind of bright for Illinois football -- although NFL defections by guys like LeShoure and Liuget would be a big blow to their hopes of building off this season.
TicketCity Bowl -- TEXAS TECH 45, just NORTHWESTERN 38 (coverage)
For the sixty-first straight year (and the eight consecutive bowl game), our purple friends again failed to win a bowl game. And, lo, the earth keeps spinning and the apocalypse was delayed another year. Still, give Northwestern this: they don't play boring bowl games. Even after digging themselves a seemingly insurmountable 31-9 hole early in the third quarter and convincing the rest of the world that the game was over, they kept fighting and managed to make it just a one-score game at multiple points late in the game. They even had a chance to tie it on the game's final possession, although moving almost 80 yards in under a minute was always going to be tricky. And it's not like anyone expected much from jNW in this game: their defense was sketchy all season (and their defense is always M.I.A. in bowl games -- they haven't conceded less than 30 points in a bowl since the 2003 Motor City Bowl) and their offense was non-existent after losing Dan Persa. If anything, the fact they were able to score 38 points and keep this game as close as they did is impressive.
Northwestern went with the dual-quarterback system in Persa's absence and while freshman Kain Colter did a more-than-passable Persa impression on the ground (18 carries, 105 yards, 2 TD), neither Colter nor fellow back-up Evan Watkins could do much in the passing game (combined 13/27, 114 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT). Production like that isn't going to win many games, particularly if you find yourself in a shootout. But them's the breaks when you put so much of the offensive burden on one player and then lost that player without having any kind of Plan B: with Persa, jNW has a very good shot to win that game (at least until whatever vengeful deity refuses to let them win bowl games intervenes and causes Stefan Demos' leg to shatter into a million pieces on a potential game-winning FG attempt), but without Persa, jNW isn't even a bowl team this year.
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Bielema Special tastes Great!
Rose Bowl perspective from Madison based Hawkeye: HOW SWEET IT IS! Sorry but nothing good comes to the Hawks from the Badgers having success. Besides Coach “I would never get greedy and run up the score” Bielema deserves a good dose of humble pie!
Right here
Illinois jumped out to a 24-0 lead early in the fourth quarter that could
Do you mean third quarter?
http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=303630239
So what if I tailgate to the NPR jazz station?
I'll shed no tears for Wisconsin
/nothing else to add.
I hope Ohio St brings the wood against Arkansas.
I don’t think we have anything to gain from them losing.
Don't forget Missouri losing
We’ve grabbed a few of their recruits.
by KinnickNorthHawk on Jan 2, 2011 9:13 PM CST up reply actions
Wait... come again?
Missouri played in a bowl game? Really? But they’re never good, how would that happen?
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jan 3, 2011 9:39 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, they played some team from up north.
The Iowa Huwkeyes, I think is what that guy on ESPN said, the one who always talks to Kirk Herbstreit. They’ve got a great coach, though. He’s a walking economic stimulus for Wrigley’s and Double Bubble.
So what if I tailgate to the NPR jazz station?
People who root for Ohio State are almost always disappointed.
The Big Ten’s coaching minds are looking like a bunch of dudes from Maryland wandering around New Guinea with malaria and Tressel is notorious for his lack of genius, so all I can say is good luck with that.
"Lenny Moore gets the ball and Lightning Len lights out like a frightened fox in a forest fire!"
by ReadingRambler on Jan 2, 2011 5:05 PM CST up reply actions
always with the historical foreign policy metaphors
perhaps the big ten coaching preparations are akin to central america trying to revive the federal republic by combining the best of what’s around instead of just focusing on what actually worked in the first place
I've been in love (truly) with five women, the Spanish Republic and the 4th Infantry Division.
It's not actually meant to be historical.
I just see the Big Ten in bowl games as desperate for some kind of quinine.
"Lenny Moore gets the ball and Lightning Len lights out like a frightened fox in a forest fire!"
by ReadingRambler on Jan 2, 2011 8:01 PM CST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure you're supposed to drink rum at those longitudes.
Not sure though (McCann’t, do you have a suggestion?), so feel free to experiment.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jan 3, 2011 9:41 AM CST up reply actions
"any time you have to punt from fourth and goal..."
Did that actually happen to MSU?
Like everyone else outside East Lansing and the southeast US, I tuned that game out early.
by Midnight Rambler on Jan 2, 2011 3:40 PM CST reply actions
Yeah.
Big sack and fumble loss that took them way back to the 39 on 4th down. In hindsight, they should have just heaved it in the endzone anyway, because it couldn’t have been any worse than what happened.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I was fortunate to only see
the PSU and Wisky games. What a clusterfuck. Northwestern put up decent fight, considering their injuries. Not much PSU could do when their QB becomes colorblind mid-game.
I can’t fathom why Wisky took their 5+ ypc rushing game off the board.
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
The puzzling Wiscy decision for me was the 2 point play call
They just got done pounding the ball down TCU’s throat and come out with an empty backfield and an obvious pass play call. If it was a pass they wanted to do, at least set it up with some play-action.
by Hank Thrasher on Jan 2, 2011 4:53 PM CST up reply actions
What infuriated me was how well the Penn State defense played, all things considered. Only 23 points given up with poor field position and after an entire season of fans calling them “horrible” and “sucktastic” while we play in the same conference as Michigan? I will take that.
Florida tried so hard to take advantage of their Super Speed Advantage with bubble screens and middle routes, but Penn State routinely took advantage of such novel concepts as tackling in the open field and using leverage. Eventually, of course, Florida was able to just be content with running their quarterback up the middle. Addazio’s favorite call.
"Lenny Moore gets the ball and Lightning Len lights out like a frightened fox in a forest fire!"
by ReadingRambler on Jan 2, 2011 5:09 PM CST up reply actions
Fixed this for you
Florida was able to just be content withrunning their quarterback up the middlethe Tebow draw. Addazio’s favorite call.
So what if I tailgate to the NPR jazz station?
The Big Ten was a paper tiger this year.
There were two very good teams, OSU and Wisky. Even then, one of those teams is dependent on their inconsistent QB playing well for them to win, meaning T Pryor.
There were two good teams, that either had better or worse records than they deserved (MSU and Iowa), and their bowl results reflected that.
There were some average teams, who would normally not have deserved a NYD bowl, NW, Michigan and PSU, and who each lost their NYD bowl.
There was Illinois, who by the end of the year was better than any of the “average” teams, and whose bowl result reflected that.
And the bowl match-ups were tough as usual: a senior-laden TCU team with something to prove; a ’Bama team laden with NFL talent; and so on.
"Apparently, riding Joe Paterno like a small horse is FROWNED UPON IN THIS ESTABLISHMENT!"
Disagree regarding Pryor.
He played poorly against both Iowa and Wisconsin. The difference between games for Ohio State, during Pryor’s entire career, has, with a few exceptions, been their defensive play.
"Lenny Moore gets the ball and Lightning Len lights out like a frightened fox in a forest fire!"
by ReadingRambler on Jan 2, 2011 5:11 PM CST up reply actions
My comment assumes good play elsewhere for OSU.
But when OSU loses, it’s often because Pryor can’t get his game in order. Given OSU’s talent pool, they could have Orlando Pace playing QB and still win most of their games.
But when push comes to shove, against a good team, whether OSU wins or not depends in large part on how Pryor plays, since he can be inconsistent. In many games against top opponents, they win despite Pryor, not because of him.
"Apparently, riding Joe Paterno like a small horse is FROWNED UPON IN THIS ESTABLISHMENT!"
Disagree about him being the margin.
He’s why Ohio State won the Rose Bowl last year and at Wisconsin in ‘08. It is frustrating that he’s been excellent against the Minnesotas and underwhelming against the good teams, but the dropoff from him to Joe Bauserman would have cost OSU two or more games this year.
The silver lining to the losses is that they all happened at the same time, so in the short term there’ll only be one media cycle of stupid articles before columnists move on.
Ann Arbor is a trollop.
I don't even remember the '08 Wisconsin game.
What I remember from the Oregon game is that Oregon was utterly overmatched physically in the trenches. It was bordering on Wisconsin-TCU levels. Sure, he won the MVP, but Ohio State could have won that game if they had made the run game their ultimate emphasis.
2008:
USC – Defense was gonna get killed no matter what.
Penn State – If Pryor had gone for a yard instead of a touchdown, Ohio State gets at least a field goal. I don’t know if PSU could have won that game if the score was 9-3.
2009:
USC – I blame Ohio State’s terrible, terrible offensive gameplan and in-game offensive coaching or lack thereof. Doctor Saturday could probably rant for hours on that one.
Purdue – Yeah, ok.
2010:
Wisconsin – Defense all the way.
So, it’s not as clear cut as I imagined.
"Lenny Moore gets the ball and Lightning Len lights out like a frightened fox in a forest fire!"
by ReadingRambler on Jan 2, 2011 8:45 PM CST up reply actions
I forgot about the 2008 Texas game. I can’t remember anything from the game.
Also, Ohio State would have beaten Penn State – maybe quite easily – in 2008 if Boeckman had played. He torched Penn State’s secondary the year before and we weren’t any better in 2008.
"Lenny Moore gets the ball and Lightning Len lights out like a frightened fox in a forest fire!"
by ReadingRambler on Jan 2, 2011 8:48 PM CST up reply actions
Boeckman was exposed in the '07 Illinois game and onward
There’s a reason ~33% of fans were ready to hand Pryor the job on day one: fundamentally, Boeckman was a slow, stiff quarterback who benefited from good line protection. I don’t know about Penn State’s secondary in ’08 but your d-line would have teed off on him like USC did.
Ann Arbor is a trollop.
No, we wouldn't have.
If you ever, for some reason, decide you want to watch that game, you will notice that the officials were not calling any holding penalties on passing plays. I’ll never forget Pryor’s last interception. He threw that pass with a Penn State lineman in his face. The Penn State lineman had an Ohio State lineman a couple of feet behind him, still holding onto his jersey. It was so bad the Big Ten actually said they would call more holding in 2009.
"Lenny Moore gets the ball and Lightning Len lights out like a frightened fox in a forest fire!"
by ReadingRambler on Jan 3, 2011 8:45 AM CST up reply actions
So you're saying OSU is to blame for Wegher's (what probably would have been game winning) jNW touchdown being called back?
I hate the Buckeyes.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jan 3, 2011 9:48 AM CST up reply actions
I was in the sixth row.
Ann Arbor is a trollop.
And there was a bunch of holding.
Ann Arbor is a trollop.
ESPN says UConn's Edsall headed to Maryland.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5981463
Michigan to “steal” Leach away from Maryland?
LOL
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
I think I just saw on ESPN's bottom line that Harbaugh may be leaving Stanford
I just caught the last bit of it while watching The Mighty Ducks on ESPN Classic. Bye Bye DickRod?
by Hank Thrasher on Jan 2, 2011 4:50 PM CST up reply actions
I don't get it
Why throw away everything he’s built at Stanford for a chance to get yelled at by retards who will demand he be fired the first time they don’t get ten wins?
"You start to get out of bed, you say, 'Oh, [expletive], I only got one leg on, I better get the other leg on.'" -- Norm Parker
Because he's a "Michigan Man"?
I don’t really get it either. And I would much rather reside in Palo Alto than Ann Arbor.
by Hank Thrasher on Jan 2, 2011 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
Coaching your alma mater
is a big deal for some guys. If you have good memories of your college career, the chance to return can be a big pull.
Didn't he have some kind of big falling out with the administration and boosters recently?
By recently I mean during the RichRod era. I don’t recall the what or the why.
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Jan 2, 2011 5:34 PM CST up reply actions
Part of it is the alma mater thing.
But Stanford will never be a “football school.” They emphasize academics, and they value having many sports programs for men and women (these are not bad things, but some coaches see them as a lack of commitment to football). You’ll never have the resources at a Stanford that you have at Michigan.
Also, even the best coaches have used Stanford as a stepping stone or a rest stop. Bill Walsh, Denny Green, Tyrone Willingham, Pop Warner, and Fielding Yost have all coached there, and only Warner made it his last stop.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 2, 2011 9:37 PM CST up reply actions
Uh, you just suggested Denny Green was one of the "best coaches"
/Viking fan
//Notre Dame and UW fans may find Willingham’s inclusion on the list of “best coaches” questionable as well
by Midnight Rambler on Jan 3, 2011 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
I knew I'd get crap for that.
I guess I should have said “Stanford’s most notable coaches.”
I really like Willingham, but he really blew it at Washington.
And maybe Green is who we thought he was.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 3, 2011 10:48 PM CST up reply actions
It will come down to whether he wants to go to his alma mater
or not have to move his family and coach the 49ers.
When I grow up I wanna be like Koeppel Knievel
I'm not sure he leaves Stanford for the Niners.
And I’m a 49er fan. That franchise is a mess. It will need a major overhaul on offense.
On the other hand, they only have to improve by about 3 wins and they could make the playoffs.
Still, depending on what type of momentum Harbaugh thinks he has at Stanford, I’m not sure he leaves to coach the Niners, who just ran off a coach (who is only 4 years older than him) after two and a half years. And, he’s going to absolutely have to deal with Vernon Davis and Michael Crabtree. I’m not sure Harbaugh is looking forward to babysitting those “men.”
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 2, 2011 9:43 PM CST up reply actions
honest to god, i will never forget that MSU game
ive never seen a harder loss to watch then that game. combined with the announcing and alabama pulling the starters and, for the first time in my life, it became hard to watch the game.
MSU was an 8-4 team in an 11-1 teams body. i would say they were alot like Iowa in 09, except they were probubly worse (though i dont think iowa would have kept it as close as you think, Alabama looked unstoppable, the fact that south carolina beat them blows my mind, but i dont think they would have gotten rolled like they did either and would have beaten Miss State.)
its been said, but msu was just overmatched. a good team playing an elite team. should have been playing arkansas.
by justsomehawkeyefan on Jan 2, 2011 5:52 PM CST reply actions
the 09 comparison isn't even that fair
true we both caught breaks, but our schedule was SO much more challenging and we never got humiliated, not once and especially not a second time with a month to prepare
I've been in love (truly) with five women, the Spanish Republic and the 4th Infantry Division.
BSD is a mess.
Just wait until the annoying people show up and proclaim the decision of an 18 year old to be proof of The End for any chance at success under Joe Paterno.
"Lenny Moore gets the ball and Lightning Len lights out like a frightened fox in a forest fire!"
by ReadingRambler on Jan 2, 2011 8:04 PM CST up reply actions
And frankly
Yeah, the coaches didn’t play him at all yesterday, but if he doesn’t think he can beat out that for the starting job this season, then I don’t know what I would tell him.
"Lenny Moore gets the ball and Lightning Len lights out like a frightened fox in a forest fire!"
by ReadingRambler on Jan 2, 2011 8:07 PM CST up reply actions
Who am I kidding, that's already started.
Yeah, I’m staying in BHGP’s basement until things cool off. In a year or two.
sigh
"Lenny Moore gets the ball and Lightning Len lights out like a frightened fox in a forest fire!"
by ReadingRambler on Jan 2, 2011 8:26 PM CST up reply actions
That's ok.
"Lenny Moore gets the ball and Lightning Len lights out like a frightened fox in a forest fire!"
by ReadingRambler on Jan 2, 2011 8:48 PM CST up reply actions
Ok, I guess somebody should go down there
brush the pet hair off the futon and make sure DRUGS didn’t forget something the last time he came over.
Like that shoe.
Going, going, going, going, going, going, going, going.... Alright, I'll stop for now.
by EnergizerHawk on Jan 2, 2011 11:11 PM CST up reply actions
I can smell it here on the West Coast
WTF are you guys feeding that cat… man.
Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more cowbell!!
by The Bird Cult on Jan 3, 2011 1:11 PM CST up reply actions
I assume they will stipulate that he can't go to a B10 school
Seems like a strange decision for him.
It almost sounds like his dad may be at least partially behind this
If it was up to me, he definitely [would leave], without a doubt.
Sounds like a helicopter parent getting upset that their superstar isn’t being allowed to shine.
His dad's behind it?
Maybe he got a higher bid from Auburn…
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jan 3, 2011 4:32 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If that is "posturing for playing time"
then lots of luck to him, but I don’t see it working.
Somebody should tell him that Daryll Clark only started part of the time in his first two years, and look how that turned out.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 2, 2011 9:48 PM CST up reply actions
0-2 against Iowa?
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I think I saw Daryll Clark host that ball drop in NYC and he didn't look too good
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
I hated Daryll Clark.
Worst offensive lineman ever.
"Lenny Moore gets the ball and Lightning Len lights out like a frightened fox in a forest fire!"
by ReadingRambler on Jan 3, 2011 8:46 AM CST up reply actions
I see what you did there.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 3, 2011 10:49 PM CST up reply actions
KoK to UConn?
No idea if this guy is just throwing this out there or if he’s heard something, but…
http://twitter.com/schadjoe/status/21711666496405504
"You start to get out of bed, you say, 'Oh, [expletive], I only got one leg on, I better get the other leg on.'" -- Norm Parker
He's just talking shit hoping the interwebz will break over it.
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Jan 2, 2011 6:58 PM CST up reply actions
As StoopsMyAss already posted
He is the best bowl game OC in the Big Ten.
Bethany: Were they sent to Hell?
Metatron: Worse. Wisconsin. For the entire span of human history.
Which places him 13th in line for the throne as
super coach for the state U of the Nutmeg state. But just think if UCONN would have KOK for the Fiesta…they might have scored an offensive TD. Maybe two.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Bielema fucking deserved to get beat
in the Rose Bowl. The way he just ran up the score on weaker opponents. I am so glad Wisconsin got beat. In a way it ALMOST, gives Iowa some RED DEAD Redemption.
Why complain about him running up the score
they were running the ball, the other teams couldn’t stop it. I’d love to see us do that occasionally.
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
by chitownhawkeye on Jan 2, 2011 6:58 PM CST up reply actions
It's a fine line.
I was proud that we took a knee on the 1 yard line in the bowl game, but would have loved to see Morse get one last TD as a Hawk.
Whatever. Bielema is a dick, and he deserved to lose, despite anyones’ feelings about running up the score.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jan 3, 2011 9:56 AM CST up reply actions
Wisky deserved to be beat because Bielema
is a god damn retard. When Wisky lost this year, its because Bielema decided to get away from running the ball up the gut. When they won, particularly vs Iowa and OSU, its because he played Wisky’s strength, which is dont rely on Scott fucking Tolzien
by IrishHawkeye7 on Jan 2, 2011 7:09 PM CST up reply actions
I saw South Carolina/Alabama
Gamecock played balls to the walls. One of the hardest hitting, hardest running teams I saw this year – during that game at least. And they got some breaks.
How would you like your steak done, Mr Sweater Vest?
by FiveSecondRuleChef on Jan 2, 2011 9:42 PM CST reply actions
Sorry
That was in reply to a comment wayyyyyy at the top of the page. I’m a little slow on the uptake.
How would you like your steak done, Mr Sweater Vest?
by FiveSecondRuleChef on Jan 2, 2011 9:45 PM CST up reply actions
My disgust
Stems from the fact that we (Big Ten) have no cred whatsoever. Even if we win one more game than we lose during next year’s bowl season the taint will still be there. About the only thing that can immediately wash this is a near sweep. That is unlikely.
I think everyone knew MSU and Mich were going to get ass pounded. And the others held thier own in a pretty admirable fashion.
It all rested on Wisky to just stick to handing the ball off to the battletank and let him roll. Then bring in your fast guy and then your really fast guy. The conference could have saved face had that happened.
Now, even if tOSU wins the comments will be how they dominate an otherwise weak conference.
Thanks for nothing, Bielema
How would you like your steak done, Mr Sweater Vest?
by FiveSecondRuleChef on Jan 2, 2011 9:59 PM CST reply actions
All we can do, as members of the Big 10, is take care of our own business
Fuck how the other schools are doing. Look, we’re Iowa. No one respects us anyway. So what we need to do is pack our lunch, go kick our opponents teeth out the best we can, and when we go bowling, win the game. The rest of this is all noise.
Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more cowbell!!
Back when it was the Big 3 (tOSU, Mich and Iowa)
for a very brief time, they had us ranked #1 at one point. That went hand in hand with how the conference was doing as a whole.
How would you like your steak done, Mr Sweater Vest?
by FiveSecondRuleChef on Jan 2, 2011 10:07 PM CST up reply actions
True, and in the current BCS system, unfortunately, rankings and perception are a two edged sword
But I still say that we need to stick to the Haydenism of “sticking to our own knitting.”
We can’t do anything about yesterday’s clusterfuck… we did our part, winning our game. The one positive of that may be that we get a couple of recruits who might’ve gone to one of those other schools. But I think it helps Iowa more for us to WIN our bowl game – regardless if its the Stick your boogers under table kleenex bowl – even if the rest of the conference tanks their games – than it is for us to LOSE the MNC game and the rest of the conference wins their bowl games.
Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more cowbell!!
by The Bird Cult on Jan 2, 2011 10:14 PM CST up reply actions
I think I have to agree a bit with you, Bird Cult.
As long as Iowa beats a quality opponent (and I haven’t heard the national media step up to bash Missouri), then it does make Iowa look decent to be a winner when everyone else is sh!tting the bed.
I think the Big Ten, and especially the top one or two teams in it, seem to overcome the “big ten sucks” sentiments every year. I’m sure it will also happen next year, even if OSU loses this week.
I think it will be important for the Big Ten to not make a habit of yesterday’s happenings. One year is a pain, but if we consistently go sub-.500 on New Year’s Day, that could be troublesome. We will already have a weakened second place team (because of the B10 title game that will add a loss to their tally), and we don’t need to have repeated New Year’s Days of Horror, because that will eventually hurt the conference and hurt our chances of getting a second team in the BCS. Then we will no longer be leaders, and we will only be legendary for our choking.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 2, 2011 11:04 PM CST up reply actions
Therein lies the problem.
We definitely weren’t good enough a conference to have 2 BCS teams. Unless we have someone in the MNC, we shouldn’t have a second BCS team most years. It just puts our teams in a position to be outmatched. I think it would be better to sacrifice the payout in order to not have our status as an elite football conference questioned.
Brunettes not fighter jets
If the BigTen doesn't put two teams in the BCS regularly
then the “elite conference” debate doesn’t happen. The fact that the BigTen is regularly sending two teams to BCS bowls is what separates the conference from the Pac10 and Big Twelve. Failing to win those bowls is what’s keeping the SEC above the BigTen in the conference pecking order.
by The Mexican't on Jan 3, 2011 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
worked pretty well last year
You can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning
by The Bacon Explosion on Jan 4, 2011 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
I hope you didn't hurt yourself agreeing ;)
Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more cowbell!!
by The Bird Cult on Jan 3, 2011 1:13 PM CST up reply actions
Don't get it twisted.
We’ve never been in a “Big…” anything. Ask Michigan and OSU if we are on par with them. Go ahead, I’ll wait until I hear their laughter (even in its current state Michigan thinks they are better than most of the country).
I get what you are saying (mid-80s were a heck of a time, and cocaine is a powerful drug), but we need to get back to back Big 10 championships or something before we start announcing our arrival.
Just saying.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jan 3, 2011 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
I was about to say this.
See: OTE’s comment thread battle royale over Iowa fans. I guess the rest of the conference hates us.
So what if I tailgate to the NPR jazz station?
Yes.
When he put us in that big three of the 1980s, I did a double take. I might be less likely to think twice if we had, you know, actually won a Rose Bowl during that time.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 3, 2011 10:53 PM CST up reply actions
They only hate us because we've crashed their party too many times...
…and we were cool enough that they couldn’t stop us at the door.
We are the team nipping at the heels of those ahead of us (who don’t want challengers to the throne) while pooping out land mines for those behind us (who are where we used to be).
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jan 6, 2011 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
Sorry
But you are wrong. Don’t you think that the SEC teams get an added boost in the ranking because of the conference they are in? Certainly they do. And if you want to play in the MNC game it pays to start the season as highly ranked as possible.
It also helps that they teams you beat don’t fall too far in the polls. I believe this is part of the reason KF doesn’t run up the score when the chance comes along. Not only is it a dickhead move but if you bump, let’s say MSU too far down the polls it makes your win seem less credible.
How would you like your steak done, Mr Sweater Vest?
by FiveSecondRuleChef on Jan 2, 2011 10:20 PM CST reply actions
Winners from Saturday:
Teams: Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Minnesota, and Purdue
Also: Everyone who was sitting on their couch laughing their asses off at Michigan, Michigan St., and Wisconsin.
Everyone fails. The successful learn from their failures. I just wish we'd quit giving ourselves so many learning opportunities.
by WhiteSpeedReceiver on Jan 3, 2011 9:34 AM CST reply actions
How the hell is Minnesota, Purdue or Indiana a winner?
None of them have won a bowl game against a non-MAC team in 5 years.
(yes, I know I’m setting myself up for the “Gophers have been a winner since November 27th joke” here.)
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 3, 2011 11:01 PM CST up reply actions
I was just going with "none of us/them lost on National TV in an embarrassing fashion"
Everyone fails. The successful learn from their failures. I just wish we'd quit giving ourselves so many learning opportunities.
by WhiteSpeedReceiver on Jan 4, 2011 8:51 AM CST up reply actions
Da Aftermath..
In retrospective…if you didn’t see this coming….you weren’t really looking..
Michigan —-has been a hot mess all season on defense..what gave anyone any idea that they wouldn’t give up a shit-ton of yards to Miss. St? It just got a hellva lot cheaper to fire Rich Rod, but unless Michigan can reel in Harbaugh..I’m gonna bet they’ll keep Rich Rod on for one more season.
jNWstern—never before has the fate of a team rested so much on one person’s shoulders—that of Dan Persa. Once that sonfabitch blew his Achilles on that shit ass pass at the end of the game against Iowa, that was it for jNwestrn.
MSU—um..did you all see who the hell they were playing….Ala-fucking-bama. I don’t know too damn many defensive lines that can handle Mark Ingram running the ball down their goddamn throats. We exposed MSU as being a bunch of posers..you can guarantee that Bama watched that game film over and over to learn how to make Sparty their bitch.
PSU—Another team that’s been a hot mess all season. Until JoePa is finally told in no uncertain terms that its time to go, PSU is going to continue to struggle. No top level recruits are going to want to go there, especially when JoePa isn’t actively coaching. PSU’s offensive coordinator has been running that team for years, and JoePa is a figurehead at best now. Everytime they show JoePa on camera, he looks lost and bewildered. Its a sad fucking sight to watch.
Wisky—Is it me..or does Bielema prove time and time again in a big game that he doesn’t know what the fuck he’s doing? You’ve got John Clay, and you only give him 11 rushing attempts the entire game?
One quick note.
I don’t know that Ingram was the crusher of souls that he seems to be considered.
Ingrams stats: 12 carries, 59 yards, 2 TDs.
Now, I basically quit watching the game after the first 20 minutes, but the box score seems to suggest that it didn’t matter who was in the backfield. Eddie Lacy had fewer carries (5), more yards (86) and just as many TDs as Ingram. Trent Richardson also get in on the fun with 10 carries, 42 yards and a TD. Hell, even Julio Jones had a rushing TD.
by The Mexican't on Jan 3, 2011 10:12 AM CST up reply actions
Ingram
They all but pulled Ingram midway through the 2nd Qtr… Lacy got the balance of his yards on a 62 yard scamper in the 4th..
by FlyingDutchman1 on Jan 3, 2011 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
That would account for the box score inequalities.
I assumed Lacy was a garbage time back, but failed to notice his long of 62
by The Mexican't on Jan 3, 2011 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
Lacy's third or fourth string.
I think the resolve of the MSU defense was pretty well broken at that point, too.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I got this Rambler.
Why do you hate old people? You have no proof that PSU’s struggles have anything to do with the coach. Much like Iowa this year, PSU had a TON of personnel issues that couldn’t be glossed over with next-man-in-isms.
They are a young team led by the same figurehead (how do we know?) coach who was headed toward a MNC game two years ago. Seriously, two years ago they looked unstoppable and the media was gearing up for another JoePa Championship game, and now “HE MUST GO!”
“He looks lost and bewildered.” Quit projecting.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jan 3, 2011 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
Projecting my ass...
Dumb…
Have you watched a Penn State game the past couple seasons?…JoePa just stands on the sidelines…he doesn’t know what the hell is going on. JoePa does NOT run that team…the OC is the guy that’s doing the coaching duties and JoePa is a glorified spectator.
Two years ago..everyone thought PSU was the shit..til they came to Iowa and got beat by a team that quite frankly they should have run out of the stadium that night…then they went on and got shit-hammered by USC in the Rose Bowl. Everyone then realized that PSU wasn’t what they were made out to be.
Sorry Dumb..but no top level recruit is going to commit to Penn State while JoePa remains there…its just that simple. No major recruit is going to commit to PSU when there’s so much uncertainty about how many years JoePa has left.
At some point, every great coach has to know when its time to let a new chapter be written about a program. Hayden Fry did it…Bo Schembechler did it…Urban Meyer just did it at Florida. It has nothing to do with age..but everything to do with time.
by FlyingDutchman1 on Jan 3, 2011 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
Yes, you are correct
NO top level recruit will go to PSU. Especially not 12 4-star recruits in one year (2010). Rivals had them rated as the top recruiting class in the B10 last year (#12 overall). Please stop talking out of your ass.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
Have you watched an Iowa game the past couple of seasons? Ferentz just stands on the sidelines and chews gum? My word, remember the ’09 MSU game? End of the game, Ferentz just pats Stanzi on the butt and lets his OC do the job. NO INPUT. He does NOT run this team.
"Lenny Moore gets the ball and Lightning Len lights out like a frightened fox in a forest fire!"
by ReadingRambler on Jan 3, 2011 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
Its an animatronic doll
Ours just has better makeup than yours.
Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more cowbell!!
by The Bird Cult on Jan 3, 2011 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
He's right!
If JoePa would stop telling his QB to throw 5 interceptions, they could have won the game.
What a stupid gameplan.
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
by chitownhawkeye on Jan 3, 2011 6:37 PM CST up reply actions
Ehh, Irishman, McGroin, come 'ere
Ya see them guys in all white? They’re not expecting you to throw them the ball, and they won’t be until you actually do it. A lot. I want ya to use da passing game to set up the passing game, McGroin.
Coach, it’s McGloi-
Shut the hell up son. Throw them enough interceptions, and they’ll be shocked when you start throwing the ball to your own team. So shocked you’ll put up 82 points on your own.
So what if I tailgate to the NPR jazz station?
The projecting thing was a joke. Didn't think you'd take it so hard.
Of course Brock (below) is absolutely correct. You do need to quit talking out of your ass.
If JoePa is a glorified spectator then why would recruits give two shits about whether he’ll be around next year? If he has nothing to do with running the team, then who cares when he retires? Shit, stuff him and put him in a glass case on the sidelines indefinitely (like Lenin) if it’s the assistants who do everything (why pay a head coach?).
Seriously, think about what you wrote. The only thing I was trying to point out is that, with the way PSU keeps their shit on lock-down, you and I and everyone else has NO FUCKING CLUE how much JoePa has to do with anything. Period.
To claim otherwise is disingenuous, and you probably need to post it on at least three other sites before anyone can start believing it… because it’s fiction. A rumor. Made up.
It’s bullshit.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jan 6, 2011 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
You sound like a Penn State fan with that kind of crap.
"Lenny Moore gets the ball and Lightning Len lights out like a frightened fox in a forest fire!"
by ReadingRambler on Jan 3, 2011 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
Good stuff Ross
I’ve enjoyed reading Wha Happened? all season, sad this is the last one for 8 months.
I do have to speak up in defense of my jNW D (yeah, we’ve more than earned the j with yet another bowl loss). They did play very well in the Alamo Bowl two years ago, holding the high powered Chase Daniel/Jeremy Maclin Missouri offense to 16 points in regulation (the other 7 was a Maclin punt return). What’s been consistent throughout all the recent bowl losses is abortionally bad special teams play, as theyve missed at least one extra point in their last 4 bowl games, had the epic field goal and fake field goal fails in last year’s outback bowl, and who could forget the sun bowl vs ucla in 2005 when the same guy for ucla ran back 2 consecutive onside kicks for touchdowns.
whats interesting about this is that Fitz himself is the special teams coach in addition to his head wizarding duties; if the special teams coach were anyone else, he would have been fired about 6 times by now.
Huh??
The jNW D hasn’t been there since the Iowa game! For crap’s sake..jNW gave up 500+ yards of offense in every single game since the Iowa game..
When Persa went down…that whole team just basically said “shit, we’re done”…
by FlyingDutchman1 on Jan 3, 2011 9:54 AM CST up reply actions
sorry, wasn't clear
was responding to Ross’s point that the defense never shows up to bowl games. the defense has certainly been a fucking trainwreck since the iowa game this season (and largely was before the Iowa game)
Thanks for the kind words. It will be a long wait 'til more football, sadly.
I stand (slightly) corrected on the defensive front; they did put forth a good effort in that Alamo Bowl. That was actually a pretty solid NW team, all around.
as theyve missed at least one extra point in their last 4 bowl games,
That’s… a pretty dubious record. Wow.
and who could forget the sun bowl vs ucla in 2005 when the same guy for ucla ran back 2 consecutive onside kicks for touchdowns.
Oof.
whats interesting about this is that Fitz himself is the special teams coach in addition to his head wizarding duties; if the special teams coach were anyone else, he would have been fired about 6 times by now.
As Iowa knows all too well after this year, fragmented coaching responsibilities lead to trouble when it comes to special teams. Special teams is important for everyone, obviously, but it seems especially important for teams like Iowa and NW that don’t have much margin for error most of the time.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
slightly corrected is certainly accurate
2008 is the only year since Fitz was in uniform that NU has had a defense that was even respectable.
"to keep a defense from completely loading up to stop things"
The TCU defense was completely loaded up to stop the run from the get-go. They had 8 or 9 in the box almost every play. They still couldn’t stop Wisconsin.
It might explain why Chryst thought he had to pass, because they were leaving receivers in single coverage with little deep help all day long.
Brunettes not fighter jets
If he's so gung-ho to pass in that situation
somebody needs to whisper “play action” into his ear.
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
by chitownhawkeye on Jan 3, 2011 6:39 PM CST up reply actions
Ross, I'm gonna miss these. Here's to a short, painfree offseason.
So what if I tailgate to the NPR jazz station?



















