UI Public Safety Cracks Down on Tailgating. Gary Barta Cracks Back.
We heard the outrage following the initial efforts from University of Iowa Public Safety to enforce the new tailgating laws prior to Iowa's home opener with Eastern Illinois. Local law enforcement gave out more than 100 citations for open container violations (including one to a 61-year-old man). There were numerous complaints here and elsewhere about police stepping far beyond their bounds in enforcement of regulations that hadn't been enforced in decades. Afterwards, countless fans complained to athletic director Gary Barta. This weekend, we learned what Barta did in response:
Barta told Green that he had been "inundated with phone calls and e-mails all weekend from hundreds of fans that had bad experiences." Most of those e-mails, Barta said, were related to "officer discretion" when it came to enforcing rules at tailgates.
"I had numerous e-mails that described officers using intimidation tactics in non-threatening environments," Barta said.
Barta goes on to list complaints, such as officers searching coolers and RVs as well as groups of officers "hovering over a group ... with no cause." Barta also says officers at one tailgate suggested they could smell marijuana where there allegedly was none present....
Barta said the complaints he received were not in line with what UI officials had in mind for the "Think Before You Drink" campaign, which aimed to target problematic gameday behavior, particularly alcohol-fueled issues.
"The focus going in was dangerous and over-the-top behavior," Barta wrote. "There are far too many complaints coming my way that suggest something completely different. We've taken a group that I believe could have helped us curb behavior and made them so angry they are against us."
Barta was clearly nonplussed with the complaints, and rightfully so; what Green sees as an opportunity to let his officers stretch their legs and write some tickets, Barta sees as unhappy customers. Later in the article, Green dismisses talk of the "police state" around Kinnick but admits that changes have been made. In particular, the ban on drinking games -- which, by some indications, basically included any game that could be played while holding a beer -- has been relaxed, as has the draconian enforcement of the music regulations. These are positive developments, and yet we're doing everything we can to stay off University-owned property for Saturday's game against Penn State, mostly because we saw the effects of UIPS' and ICPD's arbitrary enforcement of the rules this spring. I've been tossed from University parking lots for legally possessing beer. I've been told by UIPS that I could be arrested for violating a lease. I've watched a friend handcuffed and taken to jail for jokingly lobbing a beanbag at the feet of a cop. I've seen it in action, and I'm staying away, and I'm definitely not the only one.
Every year, there are new tailgating rules. For the most part, they are reasonable. This year's new regulations, as explained in August, were really no different: A cap on postgame festivities and warnings for all but the most egregious violators of the open container rules would be proper. But, as with all things related to law enforcement in Iowa City, we asked for reasonableness and sensibility and instead got overreaction and overenforcement. This has happened every year for over a decade, and it will happen again. As long as the fans are outraged and money is withheld from Barta's coffers, reasonableness will win out.
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i havnt started watching that show yet
but im gonna start this winter i hope. can i put in a request to jacobi for a mad-men themed post around the time of the spring game – referring to this one, so i can come back and see if i get it?
fightin for president stanzi's fightin americanzis since his first 13 yards charge - syracuse '07
by metcalfrhymeswithblodbath on Sep 29, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Them's fightin' words
I haven’t started watching that show yet
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Sep 29, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
So I'm right to be afraid?
I have the option of going to a couple of different tailgates on Saturday, but to be perfectly honest, I’d rather just have a couple at Quinton’s prior to hiking over to Kinnick rather than invite the wrath of UIPC. Part of me was saying ‘but I’ll be safe as long as I’m hanging around people who are familiar with the rules’, but from the sound of it, enforcement is still completely at the whims of the rent-a-cops.
"I’ll drink through the weirdness." - Illegal Formation
Meh,
I’m not discounting any of the stories, I’m sure those events happened. But things seemed pretty much business-as-usual at all the tailgates I’ve been to for both Iowa State and EIU. Standing around drinking a beer and talking with friends is NOT going to get in trouble.
Don’t pee in the bushes, don’t do shots of hard alcohol and don’t crank your music insanely loud, and you will be just fine.
Iowa State and BSU?
For the EIU game you would have had to be blind not to see the “police state” (as is the parlance of our times).
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Sep 29, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
In my day
police state = the man, the fuzz, the pigs.
Peace out.
"Have you ever had the Hot Pocket Hot Pocket? It’s Hot Pocket inside a Hot Pocket. Tastes just like a Hot Pocket."
Police State > [greater than] "the man, the fuzz, the pigs"
The term ‘police state’ conjures up something more than you suggest. For me, it’s intractably Orwellian: “If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – forever.”
That image more accurately sums up what I saw EIU weekend.
were they wearing bullet proof vests?
i live in boston now – there are cops in every store at the mall, and at every construction zone in town (lots of them, old town – breaks a lot). and all of them are in classic blues walkin their beat without any suggestion that theyre preparing for a riot…
fightin for president stanzi's fightin americanzis since his first 13 yards charge - syracuse '07
by metcalfrhymeswithblodbath on Sep 29, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Like Officer Krupke from West Side Story?
Sorry, that’s the last time I saw a cop that didn’t have a bean-bag gun or a taser in his/her/its hand, ready to deliver some very painful, but non-lethal force.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Sep 29, 2010 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions
seriously.
yes. iowa city cops are dumb and brutish. i always felt like i did something wrong when i see one.
fightin for president stanzi's fightin americanzis since his first 13 yards charge - syracuse '07
by metcalfrhymeswithblodbath on Sep 29, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
A few weeks ago...
The ICPD began the process of purchasing 62 sets of riot gear. Coincidence? Maybe, maybe no—oh, shit, don’t Tase me, bro! Don—graaaffflllblaaaghhlfflflglurrrggghhh!!!!.
I'm gonna give her my "D" face. Deeeee, deeee, deeee!
---Norm Parker
This one's better, though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxmEhq9X6zE&feature=related
I'm gonna give her my "D" face. Deeeee, deeee, deeee!
---Norm Parker
I know I’ve been in many situations in IC that I wished, prayed, hoped that our Police Department would have just had access to riot gear. That town is crazy scary.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Sep 29, 2010 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions
If by "IC" you mean Detroit...
…then yes, it’s crazy scary.
If you meant Iowa City, then you must be from a small town that calls Cedar Rapids “the big city.”
I’ve never met anyone afraid of Iowa City.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Sep 30, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
so.. you mean i can't have any fun?
Don’t pee in the bushes, don’t do shots of hard alcohol and don’t crank your music insanely loud, and you will be just fine.
by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Sep 29, 2010 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
If my dog can pee in the bushes, so can I, damn it! I do my best to cover my shameful parts when others might be in view….
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Sep 29, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
you guys need
keys to the bubble or the dental school.
fightin for president stanzi's fightin americanzis since his first 13 yards charge - syracuse '07
by metcalfrhymeswithblodbath on Sep 29, 2010 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
doin a buck in the latest drop I got stopped by a lady cop she got me thinkin I can date a cop cause her uniform pants are so tight she read me my rights
by KentuckyThunderPussy on Sep 29, 2010 11:45 AM CDT reply actions
Sally Mason is a fascist cunt
That is all.
There are nights when I think that Sal Paradise was right
Boys and Girls in America, they’re such a sad time together.
But you might want to edit this before you get hit by the banhammer Sal.
I check cheddar like a food inspector
by SpanishJohnny on Sep 29, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
sucking off each other at the demonstrations
we drink dry up get wet corrode
by KentuckyThunderPussy on Sep 29, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Nov. 17 at the Blue Moose
I check cheddar like a food inspector
by SpanishJohnny on Sep 29, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Wait, is the Blue Moose in Iowa City?
Hold Steady is coming back?
by The Mexican't on Sep 29, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep.
Blue Moose is what used to be Q Bar/Industry. It’s a nice bar and really turning in to the top venue in town.
I check cheddar like a food inspector
by SpanishJohnny on Sep 29, 2010 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, shit.
I missed the last show because of a class. No way in hell I miss this one. I haven’t paid attention to the Iowa City scene in a long time. I guess I lucked out.
by The Mexican't on Sep 29, 2010 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions
bought my tickets as soon as they made the announcement
they sold out gabe’s last spring (shocker)
by derp derp derp on Sep 29, 2010 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah I was there, great show.
I check cheddar like a food inspector
by SpanishJohnny on Sep 29, 2010 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Sally Mason may be a lot of things but
ouch, that was nasty. I rank her third among our last three presidents but David and Sally raised the bar pretty high.
"Have you ever had the Hot Pocket Hot Pocket? It’s Hot Pocket inside a Hot Pocket. Tastes just like a Hot Pocket."
I meant to say that Dave and Mary Sue raised the bar pretty high
"Have you ever had the Hot Pocket Hot Pocket? It’s Hot Pocket inside a Hot Pocket. Tastes just like a Hot Pocket."
I was pretty happy with
the Skortski
by IDontUnderStanzi on Sep 29, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Mary Sue Coleman still sucks (only she's in a place where her suckitude is outshone a million times by DickRod)...
…and I blame her for the trajectory of Sally Mason and the Crackdowns (which incidently is going to be my next band’s name).
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Sep 29, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
That band’s breakthrough “notice me!” songs will get annoying reeeeally fast.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Sep 29, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Mary Sue was an uptight, white-wine drinking, mother-toting, bitch
My freshman and sophomore years at Iowa I worked for IMU Catering (catered all the events at the IMU and other buildings and any other event they were hired for), and every event/dinner/luncheon involving the university adminstration she’d drag around her 90-year old mother to (I have no idea how old she actually was, but from the looks of her wrinkles it was ooooold), drink only 1 glass of white wine, and would always look down at and never make eye contact with the students that were making her look all important and impressive. Her peons were always really nice (as were any other high up university dignitaries) as well as her mother. Shit I even catered events where Pomerantz (funny story—someone accidentally spilled a pitcher of water on him) and Pappajohn were in attendance and they looked like saints compared to her.
Anyway, moral of the story is always be nice to people that serve your food. You can always tell a lot about someone with the way they treat their servers.
Sorry, that last line reminded me of Fight Club...
…and I instantly had visions of you pissing in the chowder and/or threatening to cut the police commish’s nuts off.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Sep 30, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
The enforcement at the Eastern Illinois game was ridiculous.
However, since they have relaxed a bit, I haven’t had a problem with it. A couple of cops watched our game of Iowa vs ISU flippy cup at the ISU game and found it amusing. Keeping people from causing trouble is fine with me. Keeping people from having fun and tailgating is unacceptable.
Agreed that I don't mind police if they leave us alone
But do they really need to be there? I hope this doesn’t sound political, but why do we need to pay them overtime to be glorified babysitters that really do no better at enforcing social norms than the giant crowd of reasonable Hawk fans?
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Sep 29, 2010 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Unfortunately
the answer is yes. History shows time and time again that when big groups of people get drunk, stupid things tend to happen. A reasonable show of authority goes a long way towards keeping things from getting out of hand.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
You're probably right. Sigh.
I was present for the beer-can-throwing incident at the Fieldhouse lot that got that place closed. That was over the top and would (probably) not have happened with police presence.
But I still hate it. I always get skittish when the cops come around even when I’m not doing anything wrong. I certainly don’t feel safer. Poorly trained, lower-level IQ hotheads required to carry a firearm and told to be the lord over a group of people are not my idea of safe or fun. FYI, I’m not saying all cops are that way, but there’s a significant enough minority of them that are to make the wariness towards them valid.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Sep 29, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
The majority of people play nice at football games and in society in general.
If people didn’t play nice, there ain’t enough police in America to ticket everyone.
It’s the A-holes that ruin it for everyone. And that’s why we can’t have anything nice.
by Stay thirsty, my friends. on Sep 29, 2010 1:26 PM CDT reply actions
Maybe I'm just lucky
Or maybe the people who have problems with the cops need to quit being stupid drunks. I understand the frustration with people getting tickets for the possesion when you’re walking down the street, or getting in trouble for the drinking games, but if you are btiching because the cops want to arrest/ticket you for pissing in the bushes in the middle of the parking lot or screaming obnoxiously and wanting to fight every single fan of the opposing team, I have no simpathy for you.
"I'll probably croak out on the field someday. Hope we're ahead when I do it."
Norm Parker
No one has sympathy for those people...
…but you see those people so seldomly that it isn’t worth having 300 cops for a six block radius. People still know where to go if they want to be jackasses, so it’s not like 1984 has stopped anything, it’s just made it harder on the people who are doing it the right way and weren’t going to be a problem in the first place.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Sep 29, 2010 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I never thought I'd see the day when
UIPS and ICPD were bigger dicks than the UHPD. I live in University Heights and can say that the normal “military” state that is UH Sunday-Friday is overshadowed by a long shot by what’s going on around Kinnick on Saturdays this fall.
by 2BlocksFromKinnick on Sep 29, 2010 2:22 PM CDT reply actions
i have a buddy
who got a ticket for less than 5 over in uni heights. he had isu(ck) plates tho… so im not defending him. but… seriously. 28mph?
fightin for president stanzi's fightin americanzis since his first 13 yards charge - syracuse '07
by metcalfrhymeswithblodbath on Sep 29, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
One of my goals
in life is to get pulled over on my bicycle doing about 30 down the hill on Melrose.
by 2BlocksFromKinnick on Sep 29, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
ive been trying my ass off to get a speeding ticket while on a bike
it didnt happen in the 4 years i lived there.
and i tried.
i never even met my goal of passing a cop car…
*on that road thats failure to maintain a lane – so be careful.
fightin for president stanzi's fightin americanzis since his first 13 yards charge - syracuse '07
by metcalfrhymeswithblodbath on Sep 29, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
When I was 20 years old a buddy was driving me through UHeights and got a ticket (coming down the hill) for 26 MPH.
Yeah.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Sep 29, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought my 58 in a 55 was bad. Yikes.
Note on a bicycle speeding violation: My wife’s uncle got a speeding ticket from a cop while on his bicycle. He keeps a copy in his wallet to show people. It was back in the late 80s and he had personal beef with the cop, so probably not very relevant now that I think about it.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Sep 29, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
It was a mistake to give the university cops guns.
[Another encomium to the old days.]
Mr. Boh Knows ...
Hell
It’s often a mistake to give the real cops guns. Why I always loved the Georgetown University police, they were armed with a set of keys, and not much else. All they could really do was yell “STOP!!! Or I’ll yell ‘STOP’ again!”. And they were fiercely protective of their prerogative to be the sole police force on campus and would do all they could to keep DC Metro PD off.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
University Heights is the new tailgating capital of the world!
I once drank a Busch Light while crossing Melrose in broad daylight and lived to tell my story. God bless this fine community.
I wonder...
how the magic bus would be accepted in university heights.
by 2BlocksFromKinnick on Sep 29, 2010 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions
From what I recall..
when this new policy was first announced by UI..was that the head of the ICP was not happy with it since it called for more officers, funding, etc.. and they anticipated flooding jail cells to over-capacity. More work for them, in other words. What I think is happening is a hissy fit by the police…a ’we’ll show them’ acting out, if you will. I think they have gotten the exact response they were looking for…hundreds, perhaps thousands of complaints sent, not to them, but directly to Sally Mason and Gary Barta – all of which were fueled by the draconian police state style over-extension of their powers.
I think you seriously misunderstand police motives
If you think they were not wanting the overtime and more authority.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
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