Preseason Coaches' Poll Puts Hawkeyes At No. 10
Today, we celebrate the preseason coaches' poll, a useless tool which exists solely to create a bias that will infect all future polls for the upcoming football season. After all, after this first poll, every week is primarily evaluated under the caveman-smart "win go up lose go down" metric. It's insulting.
That all said, the Iowa Hawkeyes start the season at No. 10, only eight slots away from title contention, in this preseason poll. So although preseason polls are insidious thumbs on the scales of proper team ranking, hey, at least they're working for Iowa this year!
Full poll standings, after the break.
Team (first-place votes)
Nebraska
Oregon
Georgia Tech
North Carolina
Georgia
Oregon State
Utah
West Virginia
The Big Ten leads all conferences with four teams in the top 15, but that should be short-lived; after all, no. 14 Penn State visits Alabama, and barring a massive upset, will be beaten by Alabama. But even if PSU outplays expectations and only falls a couple points short--let's say they get Daniel Murrayed again--they'll automatically go down in the polls, regardless of whether they played like a top 5 team in defeat. Because polls are stupid. Polls are stupid. Polls are stupid.
But GO IOWA AWESOME anyway!
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However flawed the system is,
the fact that we’re 10 is great news. We are ranked highly enough to control our own destiny. I know, if Texas and and SEC team go undefeated, and so somehow does Iowa, we would likely be the odd team out. But it’s way too early for that. This is good.
A fella steps out for a two pound burrito and all hell breaks loose.
I don't know about that.
Honestly, the preseason polls help Iowa a ton right now. If the season ends with an undefeated Iowa, Texas and SEC winner, I’m not sure that it’s Iowa that gets left out in the cold.
To get there Texas would have to beat OU and Nebraska twice (assuming that Nebraska gets into the Big XII title game) but other than that the Big XII is kind of soft. The Texas non-conf schedule is Rice, Wyoming, UCLA and Florida Atlantic.
Iowa, OTOH would have to beat Wisconsin, Penn State and, assumably, an undefeated and second-ranked tOSU in the second-to-last week of the season. Plus a non-conf schedule that includes Arizona, that some people consider to be a dark horse for the Pac-10 (for whatever THAT’S worth). I think there’s a better-than-average chance that an undefeated Iowa would get into the national title game ahead of an undefeated Texas.
by Abbas_Cincinnatus on Aug 6, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
You think so?
Because I don’t. I think the bigger name team tends to get the benefit of the doubt in that circumstance — which is an obvious advantage for Texas over Iowa. It’s also possible that Texas could defeat three teams ranked in the top 10 (depending on Nebraska’s ability to climb back up there after getting beat by Texas the first time), while Iowa may only get one chance to beat a top 10 team (depending on the result of the OSU/Wisco game that precedes Iowa’s games with Wisco and OSU).
I think the only way an undefeated Iowa gets in ahead of an undefeated Texas is if Iowa has a lopsided advantage in the style points battle — i.e., they absolutely torch teams like OSU, Wisco, PSU, and Arizona when they play them and don’t have any ugly wins over bad teams, while Texas needs some miracle plays/BS officiating to get by some of their opponents.
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I see what you're saying...
…and as has been said, it’s way to early for real speculation, but if the 4 Big Ten teams in the top 15 only lose to each other (and do so respectfully), and we beat them all we may get a huge SOS advantage (we’ll see if the computers love us this year, but wins over 4 well ranked teams may buy us some love from non-CPU voters).
I don’t know that this is definitely enough to get us over the top, but we’ll at least have a dog in the hunt.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 6, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I do, although I'd hardly say it's a lock.
Iowa should have a greater strength of schedule than Texas, which should translate to a higher computer ranking.
I agree that the rest of it is based on public perception. It seems like a lot of public perception is drawn from the talking heads from major media outlets. When I look back on November, 2009 when Iowa was 9-0 the biggest objection from those talking heads wasn’t the way they beat the good teams they’ve played. It was the narrow victories and mediocre performances against teams like UNI, Arkansas State and Indiana.
That is to say that I don’t think Iowa needs to blow out Wisky, PSU, Arizona or tOSU. Big wins in those games help, but what they’re really going to need is blowout wins against EIU, Ball State, Indiana and jNWU. The storyline that Iowa blows out inferior competition, beats quality teams and goes undefeated against a tougher schedule than Texas is pretty compelling.
Additionally, Iowa doesn’t have to end up #2 in the Harris or Coaches Polls. If they’re a solid #2 in all of the computer polls they just need to make the margin close in the Harris and Coaches Polls to end up #2 in the BCS. I think it’s possible.
by Abbas_Cincinnatus on Aug 6, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Possible? Yeah, I can go with that.
I’m still a little skeptical, owing to Texas’ higher starting position and better brand name, but I’ll certainly concede that it’s possible that a un defeated Iowa could jump them.
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*an undefeated
(sigh)
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Caveman logic
HATE HATE HATE
Our very own Hlas frequently “explains” his poll ranking with the phrase “#1 until they lose” for last year’s winner. It drives me insane.
But the basis that because they won last year really can't hold water.
They lost 9 defensive players. This is college, not all players, 4-5 stars or not, are created equal. Totally different monster than the NFL where last year SuberBowl champ may have lost 3-4 players on the whole team total.
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Still, though
If they lose, they’ll drop. What’s the difference? The rankings don’t mean a thing until the end of the season, and if Alabama is undefeated then, they deserve a top five ranking. The only issue is when a lot of teams finish undefeated, and there’s a clot of talent at the top. That wouldn’t be a problem if some of those teams (here’s looking at you, TCU/Boise State/Utah/Hawaii) played during the regular season, but their 10 bye weeks make it easier to go undefeated.
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why the hell is nebraska at 9? they lost a cornerstone of their defence, hate to call bs but well BS!!
by theonewith(out)theanswers on Aug 6, 2010 10:40 AM CDT reply actions
They lost a cornerstone yes, but
there is still a lot of defensive talent on that team, 8 returning defensive starters (10 if you count 4 returning CBS), and an offense that returns 10 starters. So their offense shouldn’t couldn’t be any worse and their defense may even improve. Besides, Suh said the defense would be better in 2010 than 2009, and I’m not one to argue with him.
I'll say it once.
Bullshit. He was the entire reason that team was as good as it is.
Teams can play their defense straight up now and that’s going to hurt them. However the Big 12 sucks so bad maybe they can pull off 10 or more wins.
Why the hell is Nebraska at 9?
So their number of turnovers per game can match their ranking?
/Cyclone’d
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by WaterlooChazz on Aug 6, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I thought Boise was the greatest thing to ever happen to college football
shouldn’t they be #1 with all other teams listed as “not as good as Boise”???
by HeroPatriotStanzi on Aug 6, 2010 10:45 AM CDT reply actions
What really sucks is that Boise plays VT in week one.
I’m not really sold on either of those teams (or any team, including Iowa, for that matter) but the winner will suddenly find themselves in the national title discussion because they beat a “top ten team”.
by Abbas_Cincinnatus on Aug 6, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Do you think?
Boise will probably win out once they get past VT, but I’m not sure if an undefeated Boise will get a shot at the MNC if there are two undefeated AQ champions. That’s obviously true if it’s one of the teams ahead of Boise — if tOSU or Texas run the table they get there ahead of Boise but I think that may also include an AQ champion that starts the season ranked lower than Boise (i.e. OU, Nebraska, Iowa or Wisky).
by Abbas_Cincinnatus on Aug 6, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
I mean who knows.
My point is just that it would be an absolute flop for that Bosie team to lose to any of these:
Wyoming
Oregon State
New Mexico State
Toledo
San Jose State
Louisiana Tech
Hawaii
Idaho
Fresno State
Nevada
Except, maybe Or St. So really they play two ranked teams and then 10 from the 80-120 range. If there are three undefeateds and one is BSU, it’s going to be impossible to compare them. Absolutely impossible.
Let’s just hope there’s a karmic backlash from the nasty/inebriated comment, and they lose to the 2 possibly legitimate teams on their schedule.
Yep.
If freaking Washington can beat USC, any of those dingleberries can knock off the blue horsies.
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by Bucketochicken on Aug 6, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
"...they play two ranked teams and then 10 from the 80-120 range"...
…so they’re in the Big East/ACC now?
(I keed.)
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 6, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Nevada
is a decent team, as is Idaho. You da ho? No, Idaho.
Sorry, sorry.
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Not really
Maybe I’d agree with you if you said “decent for the WAC” but then Indiana would be decent for the WAC. In any BCS conference Nevada and Idaho are firmly in the cellar.
by HawkeyeInExile on Aug 6, 2010 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know that Nevada would be "firmly in the cellar"
That running game is pretty good. They could go all Georgia Tech-y and run on the ACC. Nobody likes to tackle in the Pac-10, either, so they may run on some teams out west, too.
by The Mexican't on Aug 7, 2010 6:54 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm actually slightly surprised to see Boise as low as 5.
They’re returning 21 starters froma team that won 14 games last year. Meanwhile, the number 1 team in the land has to replace 80% of their defense.
by The Mexican't on Aug 6, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Indeed.
But Alabama is Alabama and Boise State is Boise State.
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Polls are bullshit...
And so is BSU and TCU being in the Top 10.
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Aug 6, 2010 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Three Words
ESS EEE CEE
That’s all the pollsters see.
by HawkeyeInExile on Aug 6, 2010 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions
9 SEC teams got votes, and half the SEC is ranked
The irrational presumption of quality continues to innur to the benefit of the SEC. This all but assures that the SEC champion will play in the BCS championship.
Florida at #3? They never deserved to be that high LAST year.
How about this for an awesome BCG. Bama vs Iowa, and Saban can try his luck against Ferentz again in a rematch of the 2005 Capital One Bowl.
How about
If Iowa finishes in the same fashion
The entire state of Iowa would jump off the map and scream “FUCK YEAH!”
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And naturally, that will carry over to "OMG they beat #3 Florida!!!!1!"
Even though later in the season it will be abundantly clear that Florida is nowhere near #3. (See: Alabama ‘08, whose pre-SEC-title-game SOS was actually worse than Utah’s.)
I have a hard time...
Swallowing the fact that Nebraska is somehow better than Iowa. I know that last season’s record doesn’t really mean all that much but come on…a team that went 11-2 vs. a team that went 10-4. Not to mention that horrible loss to ISU. This is crap.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves here
- vs #10 in the pre-season polls does not mean that Nebraska is “better” than Iowa.
Let the games happen, and the results on the field will determine who is the better team.
by HeroPatriotStanzi on Aug 6, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Not sure what happened there
that should read “#9 vs #10”
by HeroPatriotStanzi on Aug 6, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
I realize that...
But by virtue of “polling” it means that the coaches think that Nebraska is “better” than Iowa… now I’m all for proving the coaches and the media wrong (like we did for most of last year), but COME ON. We had something like a top ten hardest schedule last year, we played 3 of the same opponents as Nebraska and WE beat them all
by Omahawk(eye) on Aug 6, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Or
perhaps they are just thinking that Nebraska has an easier schedule than Iowa this year, and should likely lose fewer games, therefore be ranked higher
by HeroPatriotStanzi on Aug 6, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
I’m taking a deep breath and considering:
a) for Iowa, this is good. If they pull 2009 UNI/Arky State v2.0, they’ll drop, but not out of the teens most likely.
b) As always, this is reputational. OU, UT, FL, et al will be in the pre-season top 10 regardless of graduation/summer lawlessness.
I wish I could write this is meaningless, but it’s not in regard to positioning. Stupid polls.
Personally...
Compared to Nebraska, I almost think it is more bullsh!t that Oklahoma is ranked ahead of us.
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by WaterlooChazz on Aug 6, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Oklahoma will probably end the season better than Texas.
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Boise State has another 2 game season
Beat VT, beat Oregon State, go undefeated and bitch that you don’t get enough respect. BSU is a perennial 8-4 to 6-6 team in the Big 10 or SEC.
Looks right
I havent put pen to paper as far as rankings just yet, but it looks pretty spot on as far as the Big 10 teams go. Well, I dont see putting PSU that high at all, but Wisco and Iowa are about where I would have expected.
As a longtime Iowa defender on MGo, I like seeing Iowa in the top-10. Hopefully the Hawks can stay there. Until mid-October, of course.
That said, the Arizona game intrigues me. I see the Cats are a pick ‘em against Iowa per the line right now. I once had a bookie tell me always take the unranked favorite over a ranked team. We’ll see which way that line moves, but man that’s got trap written all over it. Here’s hoping the Hawks survive
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Penn State is too high and Wisconsin isn't?
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 6, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Not that it matters since this is asinine.
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 6, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
I dont know
For once, I actually think Wisco is legit. Usually I am in the overrated camp with them. I dont think they lose an OOC game. They’ll beat MSU on the road. Lose to Iowa, but maybe beat everybody else other than OSU. 12 might be too high, but I figured they were preseason top-15.
It is interesting that Wisco seems to be getting more of a preseason bump in the polls based on their bowl win, while Iowa might not be.
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Here's all I know
Penn State has a stable coaching staff. Joe Paterno has never totally blown a game like Bielema did against MSU in 2008. Penn State’s defense will probably be better than Wisconsin. Our running game will probably be just as good, the receivers better. The only question is quarterback.
I think Wisconsin is an unknown commodity.
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 6, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Wisconsin may be a bit of an unknown commodity...
but I just heard some idiot on ESPN talking about the possibility of Wisky being better/as good as Ohio St. Although, it was Trevor Matich, and he may in fact have a mental disorder.
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by WaterlooChazz on Aug 6, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I think it's totally possible...
…that Wisconsin could beat tOSU and still end up with two or three losses.
As Rambler mentioned, Bielema is still trying to prove that he’s ready for prime time as a HC. In the last four years Wisky managed to squeak out wins against overmatched non-conference opponents (UNLV, Cal Poly, Fresno State), show a Les Miles-like inability to manage the clock at the end of games (2008 v. Sparty) and give up a 19 point first-half lead to an eventual 3-9, RichRod-led Michigan team.
by Abbas_Cincinnatus on Aug 6, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
As good of a running game? Better recievers?
Let’s do a quick comparison of the units positions in regards to the running game…
Offensive line:
Wisconsin is pretty much a concensus pick to have the best o-line in the big 10, and is up there nationally as well. To top it off they’re a unit that is much better in the power run game. Penn states was Inconsistent last year and really got manhandeled by elite units like iowas and OSU.
Big adv Wisconsin
running back:
John clay was the Offensive player of the year last year for a reason. He’s a big back that can get yards on his own if he needs to(though he rarely needs to). Evan royster is also a really good back. More of a speed guy that can busy a big play everytime. both schools have above average backups. While Royster is much more of a big play threat than clay, clays abillity to pound away at defenses is too much to overlook…
Slight adv Wisconsin
the reciever question is much more debatable. They both have studs, Toon for wisky and moye for PSU. But niether team has a Proven great second option. Penn state of course has a stable of young athletes, but no one who’s really proven to be reliable. Wisconsin in much better shape in that they know what they have with a stable of guys who’ve proven reliable, but haven’t quite stepped up to be big time players. Wisconsin though can count on tight end lance kendricks to get a good amount of touches. In the end I would call it a draw, with Penn states developement being the wild card.
For the record though, IMO Penn state has way too much unproven commodities on both sides of the ball to be rated this highly. They could realistically finish anywhere from 2-3rd in the big ten to 6-7th, most likely finishing 4th or 5th. So until i see it on the field, I wouldn’t put them any higher than 20th
by cubbyhawk on Aug 6, 2010 1:18 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Ooooooooo, you didn't mention Lord Zug as an option.
/hides in bomb shelter to watch Rambler put in some work.
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by BStylin Hawkye on Aug 6, 2010 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Wisconsin is pretty much a concensus pick to have the best o-line in the big 10, and is up there nationally as well. To top it off they’re a unit that is much better in the power run game. Penn states was Inconsistent last year and really got manhandeled by elite units like iowas and OSU.
Big adv Wisconsin
Fine, whatever. I seem to recall Wisconsin getting kicked in the face on passing downs by OSU and Iowa too. Penn State also returns most of last year’s starters. I fail to see how that translates to “Big adv Wisconsin”.
John clay was the Offensive player of the year last year for a reason. He’s a big back that can get yards on his own if he needs to(though he rarely needs to). Evan royster is also a really good back. More of a speed guy that can busy a big play everytime. both schools have above average backups. While Royster is much more of a big play threat than clay, clays abillity to pound away at defenses is too much to overlook…
Royster is not a speed guy. Royster isn’t really a power guy either. I don’t really know how to describe Royster, but I do know he’s a better pass catching back than Clay and that he vision equal to Clay. I also know he ran for 1000 yards with an offensive line that was considered crappy.
Penn state of course has a stable of young athletes, but no one who’s really proven to be reliable. Wisconsin in much better shape in that they know what they have with a stable of guys who’ve proven reliable, but haven’t quite stepped up to be big time players. Wisconsin though can count on tight end lance kendricks to get a good amount of touches. In the end I would call it a draw, with Penn states developement being the wild card.
Derek Moye is better than Nick Toon. Penn State has more supporting players anyway. Graham Zug isn’t a good second option? He is. And so is Curtis Drake, who looked great in limited action last year and will do fine as a slot receiver. We will also have guys like AJ Price, Justin Brown, and Devon Smith who receive lots of praise from the coaching staff. Penn State’s tight ends are the only unknown factor on this side of the ball aside from quarterback. We almost always have good tight ends. I might as well worry about our linebackers.
Penn State has Joe Paterno. Penn State has a better defense. Wisconsin has Bret Bielema and a tendency to play beneath their ranking. Penn State will have a better record this year.
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 6, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Don’t want to sound like I’m blasting Penn St with three comments on this line of discussion. I fully expect them to be a solid team this year, but I really don’t see the comparison with Wisco.
I have tremendous respect for Joe Pa but he is less and less of a factor each year. That being said I’d still give Joe Pa and the PSU coaching staff the nod over Bielema and friends. But coaches don’t play. So barring any drastic coaching foul ups (ie LSU clock management), the player matchups are much more important. And in the positional breakdown listed above I think Wisco has a solid advantage. It sounds like some of your optimisim comes from the fact that you think the O-line will be improved this year. I think that’s to be expected, but it depends on how much they approved. And that’s always a big question mark. You can’t assume they’ll suddenly become all-stars just because they’re returners.
by HawkeyeInExile on Aug 6, 2010 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions
How do you know this?
I have tremendous respect for Joe Pa but he is less and less of a factor each year.
How does anyone know this? I don’t mean to be rude, but I did want to ask that.
My optimism doesn’t just come from an improved offensive line, it comes from knowing that PSU’s coaching staff is quite simply far and away better (Two years ago, Penn State lined up in a 4-4 front and Wisconsin just ran straight ahead for no gain). I also assume that Wisconsin’s offensive line and defense haven’t stood up to teams like Ohio State and Iowa in a long time. Even if Wisconsin had more, our coaching staff would still do more with less.
I think Wisconsin is a team that gets buzz from one win against a Miami team that really wasn’t that good. What was Wisconsin’s next best win? Michigan State?
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 6, 2010 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions
That's just like... my opinion... man
He’s not getting any younger. He’s going to delegate more and more (especially if recent health issues creep into the season). He’s already frequently in the booth instead of the sidelines. There’s a perception out there that his age is an issue, and at a certain point perception can start to become a reality. Look at that (extremely unscientific) poll on here on Aug 3 which says that Joe Pa was one of the coaches people most wanted to play for AND least wanted to pay for. That tells me that at least some recruits find his age to be an issue. Again that’s not a real poll, but I think that perception is out there valid or not.
I’m going to go out on a limb and say that Paterno retires after this year. I think he’ll get his 400th win (and some change) and call it a career. It will be a sad day and the end of an era, but it’s going to happen. Probably sooner rather than later.
by HawkeyeInExile on Aug 7, 2010 1:55 AM CDT up reply actions
He wasn’t in the booth once last year. I only recall perception becoming reality if we’re talking about presidental elections and football games.
And even if he delegates power, I’ll take Tom Bradley and perhaps even Larry Johnson over Bielema as head coaches, Galen Hall over Wisconsin’s offensive coordinators. And even if Joe is coaching from the booth, he’ll still have a better team than Wisconsin. Perhaps I just trust him more because he doesn’t have a Pitt Panther tattoo on his calf, but I can’t say for sure.
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 7, 2010 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions
This year
He might not have a better team (reloading or rebuilding, whatever) than Wisconsin. However, I still think Paterno is a better coach and has a better staff. He just doesn’t have the experience he needs, other than at O-line. Plus, Wisco’s non-con this year consists of (all in a row, in this order): AT UNLV, San Jose State, Arizona State, and Austin Peay. Truthfully, I don’t even know where Austin Peay is. Penn State’s schedule is more difficult, with the standard two patsies, but also with Temple (didn’t they go to a bowl last year?) and Alabama (I think they went to a bowl too). All that said, both Wisky and Penn Schtaaaaate will have good, if not ranked, teams this year, although there will be a noticeable difference in talent.
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Look at every other position besides quarterback and tight end and experience abounds.
I don’t recall another year with such experienced talent returning in PSU’s secondary. And they’ll all be back next year too. Yay.
I can’t disagree with the rest of your post.
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 7, 2010 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Dirty little secret...
…JoePa actually has a Iowa Pre-Flight Seahawks tatoo across his chest.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 9, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
You also can’t really discuss the WRs without looking at the QB throwing to them. Doesn’t matter how good your WRs are if your QB is throwing 3 steps behind them. The question mark at PSU quarterback alone should give Wisco the tiebreak when looking at their passing attacks.
by HawkeyeInExile on Aug 6, 2010 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Penn State’s wide receivers are better, and I am yet to be really impressed with Tolzien. I don’t see a tie break there.
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 6, 2010 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Tolzien is functional, and the nearest preseason parallel to your QB situation is Michigan '08
Granted, it’s not likely to turn out quite that poorly (Michigan’s QBs were an epic disaster even compared to normal-year sucktacular QBs). But that’s a bit like saying you’re probably better at reading than a dyslexic newborn.
The nearest one still isn't that close.
Say whatever you will, Sheridan was bullcrap and they all knew he would be bullcrap, and Threet was a lightly recruited (IIRC) transfer from Georgia Tech. Kevin Newsome, Robert Bolden, and Paul Jones were all four and five star type guys and Newsome had a year in the system learning behind a fine quarterback in Clark.
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 7, 2010 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions
I don’t think John Clay is an unknown commodity. His running alone should get Wisconsin some respect.
by HawkeyeInExile on Aug 6, 2010 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions
That's because
they beat a “name” team. Beating a good but not great Miami gets you more press than beating a lesser-known better team.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Last season
Iowa was the “underdog” on the betting line for Michigan, Wisconsin and Michigan State. Coming in with a higher ranking, a 9-12 game winning streak, with Michigan squeaking out a win over Indiana, etc…
Betting lines mean so very little. But I would imagine most of the betting community has the same faith in the 2010 Hawks as they did in 2009. Doesn’t effect outcomes anywhere but Vegas.
Too high? What do you mean too high?
by The Bacon Explosion on Aug 6, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Actually
Iowa was -9.5 a year ago against Michigan. Hardly an underdog. They were, however, +2 dogs, on the road, vs MSU and Wisco.
Who knows about the betting community’s faith? I know that I’ve been playing games for years and Iowa has been very, very, very good to me over the long haul. And I try to spread that gospel. I love betting on Iowa. I have some cronies who do as well, but, yeah, the general public seems to doubt the Hawks all the time. I know my brethern on Mgo consider you guys lucky, which is LOL however you pronounce it
Also: I presume you’re commenting on my Arizona comment. I hear you. It means diddly. But, always fear the unranked favorite over a ranked team. It’s been a successful system over the years. I’d still take Iowa in that game, though, as I did in last year’s matchup. But maybe I’m letting my Iowa bias get in the way/
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That’s totally true.
Iowa -2 @ MSU
Iowa -8.5 v UM
Iowa +2 @ Wiscy (which is really Iowa -1 plus Wiscy home field)
Just sayin’.
Covers
My lines listed were the closing lines, per covers.com.
I have my trusty Phil Steele right here and it says for those games Iowa -8.5 over UM, but +2.5 vs Wisco and +1 vs MSU. So, it depends what reference you use, I guess? Always good to have mutlple sources.
That MSU line was back and forth all week. I checked the archives on my blog and I actually had Iowa +1.5 that night.
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Clarification
Since UM was playing PSU that day at home and I was at the game, I played that Iowa/MSU game in the morning. I would have no idea how it moved throughout the day.
And, I am just going by what those resources said the final lines were. I wonder if street lines for those with Books in Chicago and Iowa were more tilted to Iowa. My bookie friend in Chicago always makes life tougher for Iowa boosters, if you know what I mean.
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10th??!!
That’s it? Hello? We fucking won the damn Orange Bowl! We should be top5, top 7 at worst.
The unmitigated audacity of this continued disrespect is bullshit! This injustice will not stand!
"Kittens give Morbo gas."
I think this is the swagger that StoopsMyAss is looking for.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Aug 6, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
10th??!!
Fucking sweet! Finally, a little respect before the season! This might actually help us be in the MNC title picture (presuming we run the table, of course).
I love it, I love it, I love it!
"Kittens give Morbo gas."
10th??!!
Aw shit, here we go again: another overhyped preseason doomed to once again fail to live up to expectations. We’re always so much better flying under the radar. Oh man we’ll probably lose to Bowling Green for sure now.
"Kittens give Morbo gas."
Very nice underrated-well rated-over rated subcosms.
I’m trying to think of a fourth direction you could go and it’s melting my neural synapsis.
You have artfully
described my emotions/though process of this long off season. Well done, chicken.
Too high? What do you mean too high?
by The Bacon Explosion on Aug 6, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Careful
your multiple personalities are showing
by HawkeyeInExile on Aug 6, 2010 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Six Big Ten coaches vote in this poll...
…Bret Bielema, Mark Dantonio, Bill Lynch, Rich Rodriguez, Jim Tressel, and Ron Zook. Does anyone know how participation is determined? I don’t think I have ever seen Ferentz or Paterno included despite being the two most senior coaches in the conference.
If you feel like singing along, don't.
James Taylor
most likely due to the fact
neither of them would fill out a ballot. Reasoning, I think, being they actually need to see the teams play prior to making any judgments.
Too high? What do you mean too high?
by The Bacon Explosion on Aug 6, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Paterno was included until the Auburn controversy. He wanted to split his vote but was told he had to vote for the BCS game winner. He said f&@k you and quit voting. One of my favorite Paterno stories.
I think...
Ferentz probably feels like he has better ways to spend that ten minutes per week.
Also, you probably have to submit your ballot electronically, and we all know Ferentz has a disdain for machines that is only rivaled by the survivors from “Maximum Overdrive.”
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Aug 6, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Though at media days (in the pre-presser presser)...
…he mentioned message chats, or chat sites (or some such combo of lingo that made him sound like he was saying “intertubes” or something), so I guess he’s become more aware of where unsubstantiated rumors about his squad start (maybe he witnessed the Lick/Fran transition and how the interwebz played a part).
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 6, 2010 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't you mean
the grad assistants or other underlings who actually fill these out week to week have more important things to do in that ten minutes
by HawkeyeInExile on Aug 6, 2010 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Aug 6, 2010 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions
or ozzie guillen
"There's too many (bleeping) guys on the computer. It's simple. I say that. Pete Rose never watched a computer. Rod Carew never did. All those hitters, they go out and see the ball, hit it and move on." - Ozzie
It's pronounced "luhl"...
And I’m enjoying the Magritte-inspired signature.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Aug 6, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
10th seems about right to me.
Chillax, it’s August.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Aug 6, 2010 11:57 AM CDT reply actions
Frequently, in season.
I’m just having fun.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Aug 6, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
IOWA IS NOT THE 10th BEST TEAM NO WAY THEY’LL PROBABLY GO UNDEFEATED AND BEAT EVERYONE WE’RE PROBABLY TOP 5 MINIMUM WHOEVER VOTED US THIS FAR DOWN DOESN’T CLEARLY KNOW ABOUT HOW GOOD WE ARE GO IOWA AND STANZI AND CLAYBORN AND ROBINSON AND KEEP ON HATING HATERS WHOO!
"I know you're from Middle America, and sometimes you feel like you're representing more than just a school or a conference, maybe an entire group of American citizens out there."
by Twin Cities Hawk on Aug 6, 2010 12:42 PM CDT reply actions
"YOUR NEW NICKNAME....
…..IS ‘ALL-CAPS YELLING MAN’! YOU LIKE THAT NAME, SON! DROP AND GIVE ME FIFTY!"
"If you want to become a man--come to Iowa" All American IOWA LB PAT ANGERER, whose best friend is a dog.
by The Director on Aug 6, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
By week six 4 of these top ten teams will be out of Iowa's way
because they play each other. Then the real fun begins. I fear nothing.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Hall Monitor Jacobi!
Kluginator doesn’t have a pass for that.
See you in detention.
[Actually, what does that picture even mean!? Nevermind. Don’t explain.]
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 6, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Not really.
After Clinton, I tend to think Obama has the swagger of Kirk Ferentz.
"The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here"
by ReadingRambler on Aug 6, 2010 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Whereas Clinton had the swagger of
Mr. Pitino.
Me gustan los estados unidos.
by hkobb7 on Aug 6, 2010 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
this
"There's too many (bleeping) guys on the computer. It's simple. I say that. Pete Rose never watched a computer. Rod Carew never did. All those hitters, they go out and see the ball, hit it and move on." - Ozzie
Would just like to mention
That 2009 Virginia Tech was able to crack the top 10 with three losses. Keeping their streak of highest ranked team with certain number of losses going.
Too high? What do you mean too high?
by The Bacon Explosion on Aug 6, 2010 2:39 PM CDT reply actions
Plus they lost
6 or 7 starters from their defense. But they have BEAMER BALL!!!!! so it’s completely justified. Ugh, really don’t know who I want to lose more in the VT-Boise State game.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
You want Boise.
VT is guaranteed to lose at least one more game down the stretch. Boise…not so much.
by Abbas_Cincinnatus on Aug 6, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't worry about Boise
the computers will kill them and so I don’t see them making the NC game if they are one of three undefeateds. A VT victory—should it happen—is degraded by five games in a row against teams ranked outside of the Top 100. Plus it happens too early. Moreover, if they don’t manhandle Oregon State at home voters will penailize them.
Thankfully the rankings appear to be set up for Iowa as well. If we win, we’re in. That was not the case last year. This year all the teams that are likely to be in our way play each other. If Ohio State is as highly ranked as I expect them to be late in the season, and we are also highly ranked and we beat them then we get the bounce that Alabama got last year for beating Florida. It becomes a de facto Conference Championship.
Long story short, the voting appears to not be the concern it was last year. Iowa just needs to win ball games. Period.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Does Jim Harbaugh still vote in this poll?
Remember his pro-PAC10 insanity and anti-B10 ass-holishness last season? Anyone know if or how he voted? I used to kinda like the guy but now, in my eyes, he’s a total ass-hat.
For what it’s worth, I spelled poll “p-o-l-e” when I first typed this out. I don’t know what that means, but I imagine Freud is smiling.
"If you want to become a man--come to Iowa" All American IOWA LB PAT ANGERER, whose best friend is a dog.
Pretty sure Mack Brown
does the same thing. Seem to recall a few years ago where every team Texas had/would face was one Mack Brown’s Top 25 list, including such stalwarts as Baylor.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
You should have said...
…“I imagine Freud is smiling smoking.”
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 6, 2010 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions
poll. pole. lol
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Aug 7, 2010 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I have no idea why VT and OU is ranked so high
This isn’t about Boise. This post is about how a team that didn’t even play in their own conference’s championship game (but it doesn’t matter because it’s a basketball conference anyway) is ranked as the #6 team in the nation. And how a team that basically shat all over itself when it’s star QB was injured and ended the season unranked is now #8.
This is completely ridiculous. How the fuck is the BCS still alive?
Also, a tit for tat of the swagger image above:

In heaven there is no beer. This isn't heaven, it's Iowa.
Dont' get me started on Virginia Tech
The hatred I feel for that team can kill a small child at 100 yards
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
They have a somewhat talented, quality team
The fact that they play in the Big East, though, should disqualify them from any automatic-qualifying BCS bid. I still don’t get why they have one of those.
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VT plays in the ACC
Which isn’t much of an improvement over the Big East, but it is still better. My problem with VA Tech – other than their fans, a real drawback when living in Richmond – is that the media gives them a pass for all their screwups and failure to meet expectations. Every year you can count on Tech losing at least one game they shouldn’t, beating one team they shouldn’t, and dropping 1-2 more games but then lucking into an ACC championship game where they play St. Mary’s School for the Blind Paraplegics, or Boston College. Meanwhile OSU (as much as I hate them) is villified because they manage to actually win almost all their games and make it to a title game only to lose, while Tech starts every year off in the Top 10, only to end up losing whatever BCS bowl game they make it to. Basically, they are never held to account for their failure to deliver. And oh yeah, Beamer runs one of the dirtiest programs around but no one ever mentions it.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
God
I was too excited over having just gotten back from the Hawk Shop to think straight.
/excuses over/
Besides, if I want to take a view similar to the coasts’ view of the Midwest, then I can. For example: I know that there’s a Pac-10 to the West, and an ACC and a Big East to the east, and land meets the oceans at some point, but as far as I know, there aren’t any football teams out there.
Irony aside, both the ACC and the Big East are presently overrated. Good catch, though.
Me gustan los estados unidos.
Lets talk about other travesties.
I’m still in the mood to pound the shit out of GaTech post orange bowl. 17?!?!?!? REALLY!?!??! They lost Bebe, Morgan, and that other guy that Clayborn ate whole. They still play in the ACC and they are 17? Ok….
GT and NC both souldn't be up there
The Orange Bowel was the perfect film for all other ACC teams to look at when they play GT. There is nothing that hasn’t been said about the game here already, so looking at it from Miami/Florida State/Clemson perspective, I would be taking notes on that game more than once.
And why is North Carolina again ranked so high in the pre-season? They didn’t do shit last year!
In heaven there is no beer. This isn't heaven, it's Iowa.
UNC...
is supposed to have a great defense this year. Like, almost as good as Iowa’s. They were in the top 20 nationally in yards allowed per game and points allowed. Their offense is a weakness. However, they probably belong in the top 25 (#18 may be over-rating them a bit).
Of course, a lot of this depends on how many of their players escape the recent “Agent Scandal.”
I agree in not seeing how Oklahoma is a top ten team. Personally, I even think top 15 might be over-rating them. On the other hand, their overall talent level probably should mean they should start in the top 25, maybe even just inside the top 20.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Aug 6, 2010 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions
"Almost as good as Iowa's"
Are you serious? UNC’s defense is terrifying. They’ve easily got the best collection of defensive talent in the country. Whether they play like the best defense in the nation is yet to be seen.
by The Mexican't on Aug 7, 2010 6:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes.
Yet, last year’s stats for UNC weren’t quite as good as Iowa’s. I know it is a new year.
Maybe the Hawkeye fan in me didn’t want to admit that UNC might be better (although, we shall see).
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Aug 7, 2010 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Whether they're actually better will be difficult to tell
In the sense that they’re a very talented group, but they play a lot of terrible offenses, or offenses that aren’t oriented to play a large, non-ACC-like defense.
Me gustan los estados unidos.
The Orange Bowl was the perfect film ...
… for teams with an Adrian Clayborn-type destroyer on the line. How many of those are there in the ACC?
I think they have, like, a good linebacker or something...
…and they want to get his name out there before basketball season starts.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 9, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
For What It's Worth
The Olive Garden is consistently voted “Best Italian Restaurant” in Boise-area “Best Of” polls.
And some fucking cover band called Pilot Error took the honors this year for “Best Local Band” (in a city that Built To Spill calls home):
http://www.myspace.com/piloterrorrocks
These things displease Hawkeye Monster Dragon.
"I will go to Germany and then play in a couple of AAU Tournaments like Peach Jam and Boo Williams." - Junior Lomomba
by Ornery Woody on Aug 6, 2010 9:02 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Yes...
…that BTS haven’t been named best local band for life in the Boise area, by now, is a travesty.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 9, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
...and now
I’ve boarded a flight to Boise where the two clucks behind me are bemoaning Boise State “only” being ranked at #5.
They attribute this “slight” to “politics”.
Jesus H. Christ on a volunteer truck.
Man, do I ever hope that Virginia Tech rolls these Hoosiers-In-Blue.
"I will go to Germany and then play in a couple of AAU Tournaments like Peach Jam and Boo Williams." - Junior Lomomba
by Ornery Woody on Aug 6, 2010 9:39 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Hoosiers-In-Blue
Nice one. Never heard that before.
In heaven there is no beer. This isn't heaven, it's Iowa.
If by "politics" they mean...
“We play one good team a year and everybody loves us in spite of that”, I would agree with them. Fuck Boise and TCU. If they want love, play a real schedule.
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Aug 6, 2010 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions
That's the only reason I wanted expansionpocolypse
So BSU would have to go to a major conference (hopefully) and play real football teams.
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I'd suggest that TCU plays more of a "real schedule" than a Big East team
C’mon now, the MWC is as good as at least one, if not two BCS conferences top to bottom. I’d posit them on par with the ACC and Big East.
Agreed
I can at least respect the top end of the Mt West. WAC is the definition of suck from top to bottom. The “why don’t they just go back to I-AA” Sun Belt could probably challenge the WAC on overall depth.
by HawkeyeInExile on Aug 7, 2010 1:36 AM CDT up reply actions
There's a reason the original WAC schools fled from their own creation
and broke up the first super conference almost as soon as it started.
And Bosie is now going to the MWC
As much as most of it will hate to say it, the MWC might be in the running for a legitimate ACC/Big East level of play (and therefore a legitmate contender to take the Big 12s BCS conference spot when the Big 12 eventually implodes) with Boise in it, although the new MWC will have a more Pac-10/Big 12 look (a few top tier teams, and the rest fucking garbage)
In heaven there is no beer. This isn't heaven, it's Iowa.
But getting Boise really just keeps them from slipping a notch
They tread water as Utah leaves and Boise joins.
Exactly.
If the MWC had Utah, BYU, TCU and Boise (plus a few good-but-not-great teams like Colorado State and Air Force) then I think a BCS spot would be in order. That said, even without Utah I think that the MWC is still on par with the Big East. Whatever that means.
by Abbas_Cincinnatus on Aug 9, 2010 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions
and how does this justify iowa finishing 7th at the end of the year, have nearly their entire team returning and they fall to 10th???
florida loses their messiah and a many of their star players on d (as well as o), if you want to even call them that, and they are in that nice little 3 spot??
texas 4th is just asinine
Texas and Florida are still Texas and Florida
Their overall star count alone justifies their rankings in the eyes of coaches who don’t really look much into their ranking. That and their names. Let’s face it, a lot of coaches don’t have a clue what’s going on at the far end of the country with a team they don’t play, and yet they rank that team, and that ranking helps determine whether that team goes to a BCS bowl. No wonder Kirk Ferentz and Joe Paterno don’t vote in the Coaches Poll.
Me gustan los estados unidos.
My favorite party
In Week 1, BSU loses to VT and drops to 11, Oregon moves up into the Top 10, Iowa stays put. Iowa wins 41-17.
In Week 2, Miami beats Ohio State and moves into the Top 10. OSU drops to about #11, and Iowa drops to #12, despite being 2-0 after beating ISU 24-13. Either Notre Dame or MIchigan is 2-0 at this point, and whichever one is 2-0 debuts at #24.
In week 3, Miami inexplicably loses to Pitt. Iowa, at 3-0, drops to #13 to make room for 2-1 Miami.
In week 4, Florida State is 3-1 and jumps ahead of 4-0 Iowa.
In week 5, Texas loses at home but Auburn is 5-0 and jumps ahead of 5-0 Iowa, which has now fallen to #15.
And this will continue on until at least 4 SEC teams are ranked ahead of Iowa, include at least one team with two losses. Iowa will be ranked last among all undefeated teams, and behind every SEC team with 1 loss. Notre dame will be 4-3 going into the Navy game, and ranked #19, just behind Iowa..
Easy killer
It’s a long season. If you don’t pace yourself with the “THEY’RE OVERLOOKING US!!!” rage and angst, your head might explode.
In past years the above might be at least kind of true. When you start low or outside the top 25 you almost have to earn the pollsters trust. But when you start top ten the pollsters typically give you the benefit of the doubt and don’t leapfrog teams around that much. If we have a replay of games like UNI and Ark St with really weak wins then maybe we get leapfrogged some, but let’s be honest, if you’re struggling against that caliber team then you probably deserve to drop in the polls.
If we continue to win, we’ll be fine.
by HawkeyeInExile on Aug 7, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Just remember that all we did was win last year
And were ranked #4 and the computers had us at #1
In heaven there is no beer. This isn't heaven, it's Iowa.
We were ranked #1
because the computers had us #1, that was enough to overcome the coaches/AP having us somewhere around 7 or 8.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Woooaaaah, cowboy/girl
First, if Iowa gives up 17 points to Eastern Illinois, they may or may not deserve to hold steady at 10. Second, Miami will not beat Ohio State, or, at least, I hope they won’t. Third, who cares about this? It’s a long trudge to bowl season, and the teams that sprint out of the gates (for the most part) run out of gas before they get to the end. Iowa hopefully will stay in the race to the end. If they remain undefeated against very strong Ohio State and Wisconsin teams, as well as also powerful Penn State, Arizona, and MIchigan State programs, the sky is the limit.
Of course, for karma’s sake, none of that will ever happen, the stars won’t align, and Iowa will go to the Caesar’s Motor City/Pizza Bowl and get mugged in Detroit by a MACrifice team. Iowa City will then burn to the ground. Maybe if we’re lucky, University Heights will go, too.
Me gustan los estados unidos.
Hey now
Some of us have to pass out without pants on and missing 3 teeth in the Heights.
In heaven there is no beer. This isn't heaven, it's Iowa.
When have we ever sprinted out of the game?
That’s not our bag, baby! If anything defines Iowa teams it’s slow starts and strong finishes (well, most years).
Really quick.
If Iowa gets to 5-0 they will have beaten Arizona on the road and Penn State at home. Arizona may not be ranked at the time but Penn State will, even if they lose in Tuscaloosa. They will not fall to #15 with that sort of resume.
by Abbas_Cincinnatus on Aug 9, 2010 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions

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