How Do We View The 2009 Hawkeyes... And What Does It Mean for 2010?
It's impossible to formulate hopes and expectations for the 2010 Iowa Hawkeyes without thinking about the 2009 Iowa football team. There are just too many similarities -- eight starters back on defense, seven starters back on offense, a schedule that features 10 of the 12 teams they faced a year ago -- to look at it any other way. But... even now, months later, what do we make of the 2009 team? They went 11-2, won the Orange Bowl, and were tantalizingly close to winning the Big Ten... but still: how good were they? A few weeks ago we debated who would win in a game between the 2008 Iowa team (which went 9-4) and the 2009 team (11-2, as noted); the debate was virtually deadlocked. Some argued that the 2009 squad's superior record was prima facie evidence of their superiority; others noted the 2008's narrow defeats and match-up superiority at key positions (running back, offensive line) in their support for that squad.
Was the 2008 team unlucky to only go 9-4 and lose four games by a combined 12 points? Conversely, was the 2009 team lucky to go 11-2 and win four games by a combined 8 points? The 2008 team went 2-4 in games decided by a touchdown or less; the 2009 team went 4-2 in the same games. There's a perception (perhaps deserved, perhaps not) that the 2008 squad underachieved, while the 2009 squad overachieved.
Yet while there's some definite truth to that... is it also possible that the 2009 Iowa team actually underachieved? Perhaps not in a records sense; their two losses came when a back-up quarterback was pressed into duty, first unexpectedly (against jNW) and then in the most hostile environment in the Big Ten (the Horseshoe). Few would have expected Iowa wins under those circumstances, so in that sense the results were as expected. On the other hand, from a less results-oriented perspective, it's hard not to look at the 2009 team and see that they were a team that managed to go 11-2 without playing well much of the time. Iowa fans shouldn't need much reminder of how narrow the gap between victory and defeat was for the Iowa a year ago, but just in case:
Week 1: IOWA 17, UNI 16; Everyone remembers the two blocked field goals, but it only came down to that improbable sequence because of Iowa's poor play earlier in the game, Midway through the third quarter, Iowa was still stuck on 3 points and trailed 13-3. The offense briefly awoke from its slumber to score a pair of touchdowns in a ten-minute span to give Iowa the lead (and, ultimately, the win) but the game itself was still a vicious struggle. Against a I-AA team who wound up not even making the I-AA playoffs. Gulp.
Week 2: IOWA 35, ISU 3; We remember this one as the biggest blowout of the season (it was) and the easiest win of the season (it probably was), but even this game wasn't without its struggles. Iowa led just 14-3 at halftime and needed late second-quarter touchdown to push its lead that far. If not for Arnaud's stubborn insistence on giving the ball away to the Iowa defense possession after possession, this could have turned into one another one of those gut-wrenchingly close games that marked the '09 Iowa season (and the Iowa-Iowa State series throughout the '00s).
Week 3: IOWA 27, ARIZONA 17; Another game where Iowa trailed in the second quarter (10-7) and while the Arizona offense rarely got on track (Zona's only touchdowns in the game came off a STANZIBALL and a second-string defense late in the game), the Iowa offense's inability to put together a consistent performance kept things close until the fourth quarter.
Week 4: IOWA 21, PENN STATE 10; Given the way the Iowa defense utterly manhandled the Penn State offense for the better part of three quarters in this game, it's tough to envision this game as a struggle... but it was. The defense largely buckled down after the opening touchdown bomb, but once again the offense struggled to put much of anything together until late. While the momentum had begun turning in Iowa's favor as early as the safety in the second quarter, it wasn't until Clayborn's spectacular special teams play that Iowa managed to score a touchdown - and take a lead it would never relinquish.
Week 5: IOWA 24, ARKANSAS STATE 21; For once the offense turned up ready to go from the opening snap: they jumped out to a 14-0 lead and it looked like a comfortable rout was coming. Unfortunately, the offense apparently decided to go home after that, aside from one more deep touchdown bomb to McNutt in the third quarter. Worse, Stanzi's inability to protect the ball either gave Arkansas State actual points (hello, STANZIBALL) or good field position and what should have been a laugher turned into a uncomfortably close game over a middling Sun Belt squad.
Week 6: IOWA 30, MICHIGAN 28; A week later, Stanzi decided to get his STANZIBALL out of the way early (his lone turnover all game) and the offense was largely effective throughout the game (30 points was the second-highest figure of the season for them), but for once the defense was the culprit in keeping a game close. Their inability to stuff the Michigan running game kept Big Blue in the game and even gave them a late shot to win the game.
Week 7: IOWA 20, WISCONSIN 10; The defense was once again victimized by a powerful running game (at least until Clay got folded up like a deck chair), while the offense slept walk through the early going, only waking up in the second half with a handful of perfectly thrown balls from Ricky Stanzi and some solid running from A-Rob.
Week 8: IOWA 15, MICHIGAN STATE 13; The Iowa defense played great for approximately 55 minutes in the hardest-hitting game Iowa played all year; unfortunately a brief lapse almost cost them the game because for as impressive as the defense was (and their goalline stand earlier in the game was a forgotten gem), the offense was every bit as putrid for approximately 58 minutes... until Ricky Stanzi ate his spinach and Marvin McNutt saved the day.
Week 9: IOWA 42, IOWA 42, INDIANA 24; Ricky's generosity hit new heights (5 interceptions!) and the defense struggled to slow the Indiana offense... and then the teams changed ends and the game was flipped completely on its head. Wind completely fucked with this game, but it's pretty safe to say that even if your quarterback leads the team to a season-high in points (42), he probably didn't play all that well if he threw five interceptions.
Week 10: just NORTHWESTERN 17, IOWA 10; Best known for the WOOTENOCALYPSE that cost Iowa its quarterback (and America its greatest patriot), this was yet another game in which the offense looked utterly hopeless aside from the early bomb from Stanzi to McNutt. While the defense gave up just 10 points (the other seven coming from a Stanzi fumble in the end zone on the aforementioned injury play) and 239 total yards of offense, those stats are a little misleading. Northwestern thrashed Iowa in time of possession (34:20 to 25:40) and for once that stat was relevant since it limited the one thing the Iowa offense needed the most: opportunities.
Week 11: OHIO STATE 27, IOWA 24 (OT); In many ways, an utterly head-scratching game from an Iowa perspective that indicates just how impossible it is to say how good the 2009 Iowa team was. It was a three-point road loss to the eventual Big Ten champion in a brutally difficult environment... that's good. But Iowa arguably had better chances to score (and win the game) in regulation than Ohio State, but failed due to dropped passes, missed field goals, or conservative playcalling... that's bad. Redshirt freshman James Vandenberg made his first career start in the Horseshoe and went 20/33 for 233 yards and two touchdowns (both in the second half).... that's good. But he also threw three interceptions and could have thrown a handful more if OSU defenders had held onto them... that's bad. The Iowa defense limited Terrelle Pryor to just 93 yards passing and 29 yards rushing... that's good. But they also gave up 200 yards to Brandon Saine and Dan Herron and failed to force a turnover... that's bad.
(edited to add...)
Week 12: IOWA 12, MINNESOTA 0; The defense pitched another shutout against the Gophers (eight quarters and counting woo), but the offense was never worse than it was in this game. Whatever possessed Vandenberg in the Ohio State game (the spirit of one of the Chucks?) departed in this game and were left with a brutally unpleasant slog and one gigantic question mark: was Vandenberg the nervous, jittery QB who could barely complete a pass that played jNW and Minnesota or was he the ice-cold QB who enabled Iowa to tie the game up against Ohio State? We still don't know.
BOWL: IOWA 24, GEORGIA TECH 14; As dominant a 10-point win as you're likely to find, but yet another STANZIBALL and some general offensive sluggishness in the second and third quarters kept Iowa from truly pulling away and locking up a victory until Wegher burst free in the fourth quarter.
So what do we make of that team? Well, from an optimist's perspective, when they were good, they were very good... and when they were bad, they weren't really all that bad -- they never got blown out or dismantled. But from a pessimist's perspective, they needed wild, game-turning plays like Clayborn's blocked punt or Sash's pinball interception return or "7 got 6." Another perspective would argue that plays like that happen when good talent meets hard work, but there's an undeniable element of randomness in plays like that, too -- and chance was quite often on Iowa's side last year. The ball bounced just right off the Happy Valley turf to enable Clayborn to pick it up in stride and sprint into the endzone; the ball deflected just right off various players to land in Sash's hands; etc.
But what does the 2009 performance tell us about the 2010 Iowa team? Perhaps a lot... or perhaps nothing. It depends on how you perceive the 2009 team. Were they ultimately a 8-4ish team that simply got hot at the right times or caught enough lucky breaks to get to 11-2? Or were they actually a very good, 11-12 win team that simply made things harder than it needed to for itself? If you believe the former, then you probably think the 2010 outfit will need to play a lot better than they did in 2009 just to match the results of that team. But if you believe the latter, then perhaps the sky is the limit for this team... and those dreams of Pasadena or Glendale don't seem that far-fetched.
From a purely statistical standpoint, Iowa in 2009 probably hewed closer to belonging in the first category than they did the second: a team that finishes 99th in the country in rushing yards per game (114.2 ypg) and 86th in points scored (23.2 ppg) and winds up with an 11-2 record is probably punching a bit above its weight, even if it had a sparkling mark in the most important defensive category (points allowed; they finished 8th and gave up just 15.4 ppg). In that sense, for Iowa to equal or improve on its 11-2 record the offense probably needs to carry its own weight this year; the defense should again be quite stout, but a good defense married to a crap offense means more impossibly close games like we saw in 2009... and those often required a crazy play or two to go Iowa's way. So then: can the offense do better? You'd certainly hope so when they return a QB, three RBs, five WRs, and a tight end, but there's still the matter of that offensive line brimming with new faces. Experience at the skill positions doesn't mean a damn if the big uglies can't hold a block.
So: how good was the 2009 team? Were they a lucky bunch of overachievers who exploited a handful of magical plays? Or were they a hard-nosed group of underachievers who rarely played up to their full potential and made things difficult for themselves? How good can the 2010 team be? What say you?
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somewhere between lucky overachievers and hard-nosed underachievers is...
is batshit insanity, which is what last season was. I aged at least 10 years last season. the answer to your question is “fuck if i know! let’s roll those dice one more time!”
30 days….
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by AcrimoniousAngerererer on Aug 5, 2010 1:00 PM CDT reply actions
Here here!
I honestly believe that the last two years we’ve had teams that could have gone undefeated or they could have gone 6-6, and a lot of good (but not world-beating) teams are that way. Football is a funny thing these days, what with teams like Boise out there. Parody (or however it’s spelled) makes it all so fun… and nerve-wracking.
I think 2008 may have been more balanced because of the running game, but 2009 wasn’t going to lose, but it would have been easier on them if they had Jewel in the backfield (only because it meant we were breaking in two guys who weren’t used to running in our zone blocking scheme- – you could literally see them get better from the first game to the last- – which made the team much more one dimentional). The fact that we won as many as we did with such an obvious offense is amazing.
If our line holds up I think we will be hard to beat this year because we should have three experienced backs that should be able to get more yards and first downs, which is a large part of our clock management (which is a huge part of our system).
Of course these are all hopes and expectations, and here is where I reiterate the others’ comments. The season just needs to get here.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 5, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions
That new Offensive line...
Is like a screaming air horn to the daydreaming I have been doing about a Rose Bowl this year.
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by J.R. Angle has a posse on Aug 5, 2010 1:10 PM CDT reply actions
Am I the only one thinking...
that the 2010 O-line will be solid at pass blocking but mediocre at run blocking? I’m thinking they won’t be very big but will be very athletic.
Which means 2010 would be all about the development of Stanzi. He was very good last year at times, but on the whole he was just kinda good. And the coaches didn’t really trust him in lots of key situations (see 4th quarter @Penn State, at Wisconsin, goal line situations @ Michigan State)
I think if he makes a leap, so does the team. If he only improves slightly, the team will be about as good as last year, which means about 9-3 or 10-2.
I hope they improve at run blocking a little...
…and think the runners will be better at what they do, so that should help.
Many of the situations you mention about not the staff not trusting Stanzi are just KOK’s playcalling. A lot of those times I was calling his plays in from the sidelines while watching at the bar.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 5, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope so also
however I will reserve my judgment on the new OL until the ISU or Arizona game (probably the Ariz game) when they face a halfway competent DL.
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by J.R. Angle has a posse on Aug 5, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Think pass to run.
I can see 35 passes per game, 30 runs. It’s the only way to give the line a chance to mature.
Mr. Boh Knows ...
I agree
hopefully the run game is kept on a very short leash if it isn’t working.
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by J.R. Angle has a posse on Aug 5, 2010 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions
"in the most hostile environment in the Big Ten (the Horseshoe)"
No love for Camp Randall or the Beav? Is this really considered open and shut?
Sorry to get off topic. With an outsider’s perspective, Iowa finishes top three in the conference (foregone conclusion) and has a better than 50% chance of top two. After that it comes down to the unpredictable uniqueness of individual games whether Iowa goes undefeated.
Oh, and the only Iowa conference games I didn’t watch were Minnesota and Indiana (I followed Indiana on my phone while at a game). I also saw the end of Northern Iowa and I watched the bowl game.
And just to add more fuel to the fire – I predict Stanzi does not elevate an otherwise VERY talented Iowa team…Stanzi’s inconsistency is the one thing that could drag them down in one or two losses.
by Charlie Yordy on Aug 5, 2010 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I will give you Beaver Stadium . . .
But Camp Randall is vastly overrated.
I am a native Madisonian and have attended more than 20 games at The Camp – including huge, conference-race-impacting tilts against Iowa, Ohio State and others.
And while the party atmosphere is top-notch, the tailgating is insane and they really, really get into their band – there is a real lack of sustained, loud cheering. And the student section is much, much more interested in inside jokes, juvenile chants, and pretty much celebrating their own alleged awesomeness to pay much more than cursory attention to the actual game going on.
I went to the Iowa/Wisconsin game in 2005
and I was amazed that there were large chunks of the student section that were empty at the start of the game. Also, I remember watching the Iowa game at Wisco this past season, and noticed that the student section did not fill up until almost halftime.
by HeroPatriotStanzi on Aug 5, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Was at that game last year.
And the stadium in general really didn’t seem that loud at all in the first half. And John Clay was dominating. The subdued atmosphere in the 2nd half was understandable, but the first half?
Who's leg do I have to hump to get a drink around here?-Brian
"...pretty much celebrating their own alleged awesomeness to pay much more than cursory attention to the actual game going on."
I remember in my high school there were a couple guys who were too drunk to pay attention to the game, and kept screaming about how “awesome” they were. You know what, they went to Wisconsin for college.
Interesting.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 5, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions
That's what I hate about high school football in Iowa
The student section gets focused for about ten minutes per game, and the rest of the time is spent gossiping, gabbing, and just generally talking. As an aside, the one good thing is the “Bullshit” chant, to the administration’s chagrin. When that puerile sentiment carries into college (a la Camp Randall on an average-to-bad day or Kinnick on a bad day during a boring game), you get a dinky environment for a football game.
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To be fair
that is not just in Iowa. Here in Dallas, where HS football can draw 25,000+, that still describes a preponderance of the crowds. It is HS kids, after all.
I've never been to a HS game in Texas
I’ve always wanted to get to one (bucket list?), but I should have been clearer. I realize it’s that way most places. Damned adolescents.
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That's funny right there
and I’m inspired to suggest a contemporized alternative to Jump Around:
YouTube-Spose-I’m Awesome
you can even jump around to it still.
I’ve got family in Madtown, so I can’t hate on ’em too much, though none of them have ever taken me to a game in Camp Randall, the jerks. I offered a home-and-home hosting situation, but whatever.
As for the topic at hand, I’m of the (non) opinion that this team, this game, is too unpredictable (and I’m too dumb) to say definitively whether we outdo last year’s team. They say don’t sweat the stuff you can’t control, so I’ll just sit in my La-Z-Boy and enjoy the beautiful ride.
But heads need to roll if we lose more than 4! (\message board’d)
"we're the only team in the state, as far as I know."
by IPeeBlackAndGold on Aug 5, 2010 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I too am from madison
And have to agree that camp randal is way overrated. The student don’t show up until half time, and by then they’re so drunk that the only things they manage to do are the wave, their infamous “eat shit fuck you” chant(which they do at least 5 times a game) and jump around. Then they proceed to defend these allegations by explaining how big of assholes they are to opposing fans.(they actually think this is a good thing and that it makes camp Randal a tougher place to play)
on a side note, the new Princeton review has Iowa at #9 on thier list of party schools but leaves the annually ranked badgers off
by cubbyhawk on Aug 5, 2010 6:03 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Well, at least for Iowa it is.
Iowa has only won in the ‘Shoe twice in my lifetime. They’ve had better luck at Camp Randall and Beaver Stadium.
So are we now taking the Tim Brewster stance
That the Minnesota game never happened? It sure as hell was one damn ugly game, but still. Two years shutting out the Gophers has to count for something.
you beat me to it
i was just about to say how can we ignore the fact that the minnesota game was the most brutal game offensively all year, but at least thats 120 straight minutes of gophers being shut out.
and if we are talking most hostile environment in the B10, timmy brewster put an end to that debate at media day when he said new kinnick north is the best homefield advantage in the big ten, so please no more discussion on the topic
"Go slower" - Todd Lickliter
Yeah, fixed that.
Thanks.
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The logical fallacy in thinking they underachieved . . .
If a team consistently “does not play well” in games, doesn’t that, in effect, make them NOT THAT GOOD at football?
I would submit that 2009 Iowa, thanks to a dominant defense and a dogged determination to overcome negativity, did overachieve. But one or two games of playing bad against teams as allegedly overmatched as UNI, Arkansas State, Indiana and jNWU would be an anomaly. But with Iowa it was a pattern. Therefore, I don’t think Iowa really WAS a typical, dominant, BCS-winning kind of team.
They definitely weren't that sort of team.
They were one of the “worst” really good teams I’ve seen in a long while. I still love them dearly but it makes it incredibly difficult to place them in a rational perspective.
They did some things very, very well — defense (aside from one or two hiccups), Stanzi on occasion (usually in the 4th quarter), the running game every now and then — but they were so inconsistent that it’s still hard to get a read on them.
In comparison, the 2008 team was a lot more consistent: aside from Illinois, they beat the teams they were supposed to — and generally did so in very, very convincing fashion (compare their games against Maine, FIU, Indiana, and Minnesota to the corresponding games in 2009) and played tough/close against teams as good/better than them, winning a few (but losing most of them narrowly).
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Watching Iowa play and win a BCS game last year was like . . .
Watching a 15-handicap golfer somehow scramble their way to even par. Sure, they had some great shots and long, improbable putts, but other parts of their game were God-awful and embarrassing at times.
Really?
Iowa outgained 403 to 155 yards. If (and it’s a big if) Stanzi doesn’t throw the pick-six Iowa wins the game 34-10 or something along those lines. Only other semi-embarrassing moment came on the Murray fake FG.
GTech punted 37 times all year, 7 of them came in this game. And even that should have scored points with the “Kirk needs to take more chances” crowd.
If you’re referring to the season as a whole and not just the BCS game I see your point.
Yep...plus...
the pick-six was blatant pass interference.
What?
The defender has just as much right to the ball as the WR, and the GT corner made a great break on the ball. I think what you meant to say is assuming PI is blatant homerism.
by The Mexican't on Aug 7, 2010 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Underachievers... but,
what keeps me up at night is something you touched on in the OSU game highlight…
conservative playcalling…
give me strength Lord…
I'm sick, but I'm pretty...
OSU was bound to be conservative.
Rookie QB’s with one week to prepare, for a road game at OSU no less, simply aren’t going to know enough of the playbook to go crazy.
That being said, fuck overtime. You go for the win in regulation.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
I disagree...
…go to overtime, but make sure your QB is watching for the fucking blitz on first down, and second down. Tell him to get rid of it, make a play, something.
Whatever, it was fun to watch until the crying. The past is gone, move on.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 5, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
when you finish 11-2...
and win the Orange Bowl against Ga Tech and finish #7 in the final polls, that is “very good.”
Iowa was very good last year. Goodness continues to be defined by wins, which KF knows, for he calls us “not the prettiest car in the lot.”
Now, as for maddening or heart-wrenching, Iow was also those…
looking for someone smarter than KOK...
by not so fast, my friend on Aug 5, 2010 1:33 PM CDT reply actions
From an entertainment perspective
Iowa gives about the best return for your money as any team in the league. If you don’t have a horse in the race, it is always more enjoyable to watch a closely contested game. In 2009, Iowa played 11 games that were decided by 14 points or less and 6 games decided by a TD or less. That is exciting football that kept the viewing public glued to their sets! On the flip side of the coin, Penn State was in 10 games decided by 15 points or more. Viewers not decked out in blue & white body paint were switching the channel midway through the third quarter.
If you feel like singing along, don't.
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We'll view the 2010 Hawkeyes a lot better
As we will every Big Ten team — Pam Ward has been banished to ESPNU. I must have done something good in a previous life.
by Yinka Double Dare on Aug 5, 2010 2:13 PM CDT reply actions
Blessed be the lord.
Although I just know having both Grieses on at the same time is going to wreak havoc on my hangover-addled brain on Saturdays.
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I think the 2009 defies categorization. They were a football anomaly.
I do think they’ll get to 10 regular season wins though because they really are that good.
2 biggest concerns are the development of the O line and Ricky’s consistency.
No mention of the linebackers?
(Just kidding.)
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 6, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Or the people who have to hit the ball with their feet?
Uhhh….uhh….kickers! That’s it! (We haven’t had one for awhile, I forgot).
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When you consider
—that we tried to run a balanced offense with a redshirt freshman and an undersized true freshman at running backs.
—that we played what seemed like half the season with both of them banged up (ribs, ankle) and one of them completely out during several games
—that, as previously discussed here, our kicker was so shaky that we were lucky to only get burned by him in the OSU game
—that we were in year one of the Marvin McNutt as a receiver experiment
—that our blue chip lineman was sick or recovering for nearly all of the season
—that Dace once again made it through half a season
—that Vandevelde didn’t really recover from his off-season injuries until season’s end
—and, that Moeaki was still banged up on and off during the year,
I think we did pretty well. The line is a question this year, but it wasn’t that great last year. I worry about losing Spivey, and whether our linebackers, though talented will produce a leader anything like Angerer. We all assume that Sash will be fine after his, what, second or third surgery? Things can go bad this year, but frankly, despite all the “luck” we had last year, Iowa did not lead any kind of charmed life from a personnel standpoint. All teams have injuries and they have their breaks. That Iowa’s were more pronounced, on both ends of the spectrum, shouldn’t turn us away from what this team can do.
Here’s what we have:
-a quarterback who does all sorts of things but primarily, wins.
-one of the best 2-receiver tandems we have had in a long time
-three experienced running backs
-a consensus top-level D-line led by the biggest game-changer Iowa has had on a D-line since, well, when?
-one of the better safety tandems Iowa has had in years (yes, including Greenwood, he’s earned it)
-one of the best punters Iowa has had in years
I’m trying hard not to fool myself, to me the O-line needs to be good, not great, but simply solid. But no team has it all, and this team has as much coming back as any other. They still have to play the games, but this team has the potential to become one of the best in Iowa history. The last team I felt this good about was 1985, maybe 1997. The disparity in results of those two is obvious. It’s up to them.
A fella steps out for a two pound burrito and all hell breaks loose.
D-line?
Not a lot of people are talking about it, but when stacked against good backs our D-line wasn’t all that good at stopping the run last year. Maybe its a product of no depth at tackle. We really never saw a rotation develop and the interior had to be gassed after facing Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio State for 3 quarters. To make a run at it I think this is an area that must be improved upon.
"I don't believe in quotes" - Karl Klug
word on the street is...
klug and the boys have put on some weight, so they shouldn’t be getting pushed around as easily in the running game
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by AcrimoniousAngerererer on Aug 5, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
so excited
If the rumors are correct, Klug and Ballard will play at a combined 30-40 pounds heavier this year. If they are putting this weight on without losing speed/agility, then our D-line should be absolutely out of this world in 2010 (compared to excellent, but a bit small up the middle in 2009).
This is really a big deal
For the most part, When Iowa was run against it was up the middle against a vastly undersized player, who was quite simply taken backwards at times. klug Adding 20 lbs this offseason should stop this from happening as often in 2010
by cubbyhawk on Aug 5, 2010 6:19 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I think '09 Iowa is one of those teams...
That played to the level of it’s competition. But mainly they were inconsistent. Pushed around in the running game vs. ISU, OSU, and Wiscy until Clay got hurt, they take on the best rushing team in the country and erect a wall from sideline to sideline. Playing the best team in the conference on the road with your 2nd string QB? Take ‘em to OT, and would have beat them in regulation if Stross catches that ball in the endzone. Next week against the worst team in the conference, pitch shutout ball on both offense and defense. I don’t really know what to make of last season, quite frankly. Unless the offense gets it’s act together, they could be pretty bad this year. The OL is a huge question mark. If Wegher can fix whatever tell he was giving away on running plays he should be quite a bit better after a year with Doyle. Stanzi needs to cut down on alms to the other team. I think KF, Norm, and KO’K have a handle on it though. People talk about the last time expectations were this high. I submit that team had JC6 at QB, and can’t help but be better than that team.
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Aug 5, 2010 3:05 PM CDT reply actions
in regards to the jNWU game
sure, had Stanzi not gotten hurt and gift-wrapped a touchdown to cut the lead to 10-7, Iowa quite possibly would have won that game easily. However, in the third quarter with Iowa trailing 14-10, Wegher busted a 58 yard touchdown run that was called back for a bogus holding penalty. Had that not happened and Iowa taken a 17-14 lead, I think the defense would have shut down and held the ’Cats scoreless the rest of the game.
by HeroPatriotStanzi on Aug 5, 2010 3:55 PM CDT reply actions
I’m still pissed about that. On replay that really looked like a total b.s. call that may have cost Iowa an undefeated season.
It seems like the refs weren't giving us anything...
…since they’d been crucified the week before for the Indiana game, but that’s just like, my opinion man.
That’s college football though. Anything can happen, and it’s not always in the players’ hands. But that’s why we watch and cheer.
I can’t wait to destroy jNW this year.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 5, 2010 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Also we now have a legitimate KO return threat in DJK
That TD return against OSU was a thing of beauty and he had numerous returns out past the 30. DJK’s running reminds me a bit of Terrell Prior, he doesn’t look real fast but then all of a sudden he has covered 25 yards. He also has very good field vision and knows where to go with the ball.
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Good point
DJK is such an odd player in Hawkeye history for me. When talking about great offensive weapons and talented players he is rarely on the short list but with a decent season he will statistically be the best receiver we have ever had. I think he will be an absolute game changer this year.
The 2009 team gave Paul Johnson
his most embarrassing half of football in 30 years. That was a great team.
That team didn’t show up a few times, however. I think Iowa plays with great technical, and poor emotional, consistency.
One of my more interesting stats going into this year is that there are 26 seniors on this team.
In theory, this much senior leadership and collective memory will improve the team’s emotional consistency, and the wacky games with people like Arky State will just be proper blow-outs. You have to admit, Fry won the easy ones, easily. Ferentz doesn’t.
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Agree to your point about Hayden. In retrospect, he won a lot of those a little too handily, perhaps, although I didn’t mind at the time (remembering throwing into the corner of the end zone to beat Indiana by 30+ after calling time out with like 5 seconds left, causing Sam Wyche to hold a team meeting on the field immediately after to point out the dickishness). But that’s just revisionist.
I think they were a pretty consistently great defense.
Barring a few clunkers like the Michigan and Ohio State games and half the Wisconsin game.
The offensive side of the ball was a struggle more often than not, although obviously Stanzi tended to make just enough plays when we needed him to.
In theory, this much senior leadership and collective memory will improve the team’s emotional consistency, and the wacky games with people like Arky State will just be proper blow-outs.
I certainly hope so.
You have to admit, Fry won the easy ones, easily. Ferentz doesn’t.
That’s certainly true about Hayden, but it’s not so true about Ferentz. That’s what made last year’s results against UNI and Arky State so weird. When Ferentz had good teams in the past, they fucking blitzed teams like that. In ’08, they creamed Maine and FIU and he did that to a lot of MAC and I-AA squads in the past decade.
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Everyones gonna have some blowouts
It’s more the fact that ferentz usually doesn’t win as handily as he should. Think back to Syracuse 06(?), northern illionois(at soldier field), indiana 07(?), Indiana 09, Minnisota 09, Michigan 09 and northwestern just about every year just to name some off the top of my head. Now I admit I may be taking a broader view of easy, but those were all close games that Iowa shouldve won comfortably.
There’s definitely something to say about ferentz’s lack of ability to fire up his players before a game that doesn’t have a lot of hype to it
by cubbyhawk on Aug 5, 2010 6:36 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I think you're cherrypicking to an extent
We had a backup QB making his first career start against Syracuse – and doing it on short notice to boot. And god bless Jason Manson for being a fine teammate by all accounts… But he was not a fine QB. And as we later found out the 2006 team had the worst chemistry of any Iowa team under KF.
The 2007 team simply wasn’t very good…. and had an absolutely terrible offense. Hell, Indiana probably was better than Iowa that year.
The 2009 team was utterly bizarre – something we’ve spent thousands of words talking about.
When KF has had good Iowa teams, they’ve done a pretty good job of hammering bad teams. Look at some of the scorelines from 01-05 or 08.
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by RossWB on Aug 5, 2010 9:31 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Okay, there have been better "blowout" pics posted on this site...
…and really you should just be beating the shit out of yourself for posting this in the first place.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 6, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
I really hope that KOK isn't afraid to open things up early this year
With a veteran QB and WRs, and a relatively inexperienced O Line, I would hope for lots of passing, roll outs, quick slants, pass to set up the run, as it was mentioned earlier. My fear is that they will look at the 3 headed running back situation, and attempt to run first with disastrous results
It never gets to be easy
Hmmm... Veteran QB, Veteran WR's, inexperienced O-Line,...
and a stable of high potential/unproven RB’s - sounds a lot like the Offense headed into the 2005 season to me. I really don’t remember Ken doing anything out of the ordinary that season (maybe we’ll see the return of the jailbreak screen?).
I truly believe that we’ll stick w/ the run first offense. The running game, even when anemic, is necessary when you look at how much of Ricky’s yardage was attributed to the PA pass. The hardest thing to replace in that offense is Tony Moeaki’s ability to block and be a dynamic playmaker at the TE position. We can survive a shaky OL if we have great TE play.
Slight difference in the QBs between '05 and '10
Unless Stanzi has lost his mind this summer, Iowa should be a lot better than ’05 this year.
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Aug 5, 2010 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Uh huh...
219/352, 2828 yards, 22 td/7 int.
If our 2010 QB produces numbers on par with what our 2005 QB did, we’ll definitely be fine. And if Stanzi posts a 3:1 td:int ratio, I’ll buy you a six-pack of your choosing.
Iowa had a few problems in 2005, but Tate was pretty far down the list.
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by RossWB on Aug 5, 2010 9:23 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Oops...
Off a year. Sorry bout that Drew!
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Aug 5, 2010 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Furthermore...
Tate would have had a much better year with this batch of receivers. Grigsby+Chandler=shudder.
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Aug 5, 2010 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Ummm.....
I understand that Eddie Hinkel and Clinton Solomon weren’t the world’s greatest receiving corps, but they also weren’t chopped liver.
Solomon: 46 receptions, 800 yards, 17.4 avg, 7 TD’s
Hinkel: 40 receptions, 518 yards, 12.9 avg, 7 TD’s
Compared to last years awesome receivers:
DJK: 45 receptions, 750 yards, 18.4 avg, 2 TD’s
McNutt: 34 receptions, 685 yards, 19.6 avg, 10 TD’s
Just sayin…
Just sayin...
That Hinkel and Solomon were the ones that were locked onto. If I had a buck for every time Chandler and Grigsby let one by I wouldn’t be rich, but it would by the beer for my next drunk. I would take Reisner, DJK, McNutt, and anybody on the team besides Chaney in a minute.
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Aug 5, 2010 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions
That I agree with.
If you slot Tate on any team from 08-10 and we’re talking absolute dynamite. Tate working the play-action off of Greene in 2008 would have been utterly lethal. And with targets like DJK, McNutt, Moeaki/Reisner this year and last year… oof.
I love Stanzi and I think he’s a great leader and unbelievably clutch… but it’s still fun to fantasize for a moment.
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Fry was more of a gambler, offensively and defensively
This sometimes led to game-changing or game-sealing results. It could also blow up in his face. Fry was a more emotional leader, as well.
Ferentz’ rallying cry is consistency and competence over flash. That can’t always be exciting for the players or get them up for a game. Bellanca has discussed the NFL mentality , and perhaps low-energy or low motivation games are the drawback of applying that mentality to college kids. The closest we have come to a team that had Fry-like fireworks under Ferentz was the Drew Tate teams—for better and for worse, Drew was a Hayden Fry kind of guy.
I agree that Fry won the games where Iowa was favored more convincingly. Then there’s the flip-side. Coming into his 12th season, I think Ferentz has beaten Michigan three times. Fry, over 19 years, did it what, four times? Ferentz beat OSU only once, so far, but Hayden only got them twice. Then there is the issue of bowl games. I don’t know the overall records anymore, but Hayden had some real clunker bowl games. Ferentz has had only one of those, and learned from it.
Bottom line, over time, Fry was better at winning the games he was supposed to win, but it’s a fair argument hat Ferentz has been better at winning the big games.
A fella steps out for a two pound burrito and all hell breaks loose.
This.
…for Iowa to equal or improve on its 11-2 record the offense probably needs to carry its own weight this year.
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Margins of Victory and Defeat
2009 — avg margin of victory is 10, margin of loss is 5.
2008 — avg margin of victory is 26, margin of loss is 3
Points for/against?
2009: 267/156
2008: 320/83
The 2008 offense was the most prolific since the Brad Banks era, due of course in large part to Shonn Green but the defense was almost twice as stingy.
But that team went 9-4. So it just depends on your perspective. The 2009 team accomplished more in terms of post-season, but the 2008 team won by more, lost by less, and posted solid numbers.
So I guess it depends on what you’re measuring. I think 2009 wins for stress headaches from clenching your jaw for three straight hours.
And at our house the 2009 team has the distinction of causing my wife and I to wake up our children with spontaneous dancing in the living room at the end of the Michigan State game.
by hawkeyeinstl on Aug 5, 2010 9:49 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Those numbers scare me . . .
And are very likely the reason for KF’s not-so-subtle warning that the 2010 team could be “better” but put up a lesser record.
Numbers aren't misleading
But when you give KOK a running back with the qualities of S Greene he gets giddy (what OC wouldn’t? But for KOK SG was a massive wet dream). The only way to improve the 2008 offense in KOK’s thinking (IMHO) would be to have a more consistent deep threat. He is going to run left, run left and then run up the middle, splash in a play action pass now and again. in 2008 this worked 75% of the time, 2009 – not so much. Time of possession and ball control were huge in 2008 allowing the defense to be on the sidelines much more. The defense was called on so many times to win the games in 2009 it is amazing the stats are as good as they were.
The 2009 O-line wasn’t consistently dominating until the OB and don’t know if that was a function of the layoff to heal or the quality of the opposing defense. If 2010 can be good enough to open a few holes in the running game and keep Stanzi upright for 3 -4 seconds to make some throws the offense should be improved. If we get into a situation when Stanzi needs to make quick throws on out routes and short curls we could be in trouble. I watched the OB with a GT grad and a first time Iowa viewer and both were amazed at Stanzi accuracy over 15 yards and his not so great decision making in throws of under 10-15 yards.
Too high? What do you mean too high?
by The Bacon Explosion on Aug 6, 2010 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions
I can’t tell you how many times I screamed “RUN LEFT” at my television last year. So, your running theory seems to have basis in logic but sometimes that’s frustrating with Ken.
Yeah, that's how I saw the above-mentioned stats...
…not that 08’s D was THAT much more dominate than 09’s D, but that they were on the field a lot less due to good offensive clock management.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 6, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Very interesting post.
Being fact-based, that is. (I don’t care what you were doing with your wife, of course.)
2009: nothing but a bunch of winners.
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People toss around 2008 & 2009 like they were identical opponents in identical locations
Don’t forget what a bitch of a road schedule the Hawks faced last year and all they did was go 4-1 with the lone loss in OT in the Shoe with a back-up QB at the helm. Their only fault was that they didn’t steamroll the lesser competition.
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That's true.
But stuff like that is what also made the 2009 team so goddamn weird.
I’ve never seen a KF team that was so good late in the game in high-pressure situations.
I’ve never seen a KF team that was so good on the road.
I’ve never seen a good KF team that was so poor at home.
I’ve never seen a good KF team that was so poor against bad teams.
Maybe the 2009 team was just a giant aberration. I don’t know and I don’t think we will know until we see the 2010 team play.
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I’ve never seen a good KF team that was so poor at home.
Ross, I think I know what you mean but this team had one loss at home which was 200% caused by the injury to Stanzi and a young replacement qb turning the ball over like 17 times. And even with all the turn overs and excellent gifted field position, jNW wins by j7. Relative to our inspired road play, the home play looked well – uninspired. But the team did not play poorly. I would say that in comparison to home seasons over the last 15 years, the 2009 team would easily rank in the upper half.
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It's not just the loss.
It’s the UNI game. The Arky State game. The Michigan game. The Minnesota game. The Indiana game. The only game they looked good most of the time was probably the Arizona game and that was probably the best team they played at home all year (more fodder for the “they played to the level of their competition” argument, perhaps).
Look, I’m happy that they went 6-1 in those games — that’s great. But I don’t see how you can look at those games and say they didn’t play poorly. I’m happy as hell that they could play poorly and still win those games. At the end of the day, I’d obviously much rather celebrate the ugliest win around than the noblest defeat. If we went undefeated with a season of 6-4 wins, great: I don’t care how ugly the games were, the trophy will still be sweet and the memories of an undefeated season will be unmatched.
But those were (mostly) bad teams that Iowa played at Kinnick a year ago. Even with the glut of bowls around now, only two of those teams went to bowls — Arizona and Minnesota. And Iowa played poorly against them. The novelty of blocking two field goals to secure a win was kind of neat, but it’s embarrassing that they needed to do that to defeat a I-AA team. It’s embarrassing that a middling Sun Belt team like Arky State had a chance to beat Iowa late. It’s embarrassing that a crummy Michigan team had the same chance to beat Iowa late. Minnesota didn’t really have a great chance to beat Iowa, what with them not being able to score points on Iowa and all, but the offensive performance in that game was still embarrassing. Etc. Iowa played badly at home a year ago. I don’t know why we need to sugarcoat that.
From 2001-2005 and again in 2008, Iowa had good teams (to varying degrees, obviously; 2002 was way better than 2001 and so forth). Those teams were GREAT at home. They might have had a clunker here or there at home, but by and large they were excellent. That wasn’t the case in 2006 or 2007, but again: those teams weren’t very good. So it’s not much of a surprise that they struggled at home. But 2009 was a good team — I would never dispute that. And yet they were not very good at home. That’s weird.
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The only (and I mean only) part of your synopsis I might quibble with
is the assertion that Michigan was “crummy”. College sports, much more so than their pro equivalents, are emotional in nature and raw energy can often provide a boost to less-talented squads. At the time that Michigan and Iowa met, the Wolverines were 4-1 and the claim that Michigan was “back” had been made by more than a few high-profile pundits. Say what you will for Rich Rodriguez but he does recruit talented kids and going into Iowa City his talented kids were playing with a lot of confidence. Had Iowa turned in the same performance against Michigan 5 weeks later I would be equally critical of the outcome but I think this game was just an exciting, if uncomfortable, match-up.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Aug 8, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Perhaps.
I think the cracks were starting to show a little for Michigan — they were coming off the MSU loss and just a few weeks removed from that narrow win over Indiana.
But, yes, hindsight does make it a bit more damning than it might otherwise deserve.
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Listening to KF at Big Ten Media Days
It sounds like he is pretty confident in Zusevics and Gettis. He said they are a lot like Reiff was last year when he went in. He also claims that they might actually have 8-9 guys ready to go in the trenches when the season starts. I think this is why he is not worried. In fact, if they do end up like Reiff the O-line could be a strength by the time they gel in B-11 play.
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If so, then this O could really be pretty dynamic what with all the talent and experience at the skill positions.
by HawkeyeRecon on Aug 6, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
I still expect Eastern Illinois and ISU to throw every possible blitz, stunt and the kitchen sink at the line
The first few games may look ugly; especially in the first half. I look for them to start figuring things out by the third quarters and wearing the opponents down by the fourth. It always seems to take our OL a few weeks to start gelling, even in the years when we have much experience starting.
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I'm happy about the O-line in the next few years...
…there are two or three true froshs that are already around 285 lbs and by all accounts could be in the mix this year. I don’t want to see a bunch of froshs on the line this year, but if they’re already servicable and that big, imagine what they’ll be like after a year or two with Doyle. We may finally have another monster line in a couple years when our three backs are seniors (and guys like Coker have developed), with Vandy and Derby behind center, and Cotton/KDavis/etc to catch the ball.
Not trying to look ahead, but when I do I see good things. I like good things.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 6, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions

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