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Better Know An Iowa Football Opponent 2010: Michigan State Spartans (Part Two)

The off-season is a long and tiresome trudge, so how can we best get through it?  By looking ahead to next year, of course.  So, in the spirit of forward thinking, we present a team-by-team look at Iowa's 2010 football opponents (with looks at Illinois and Purdue thrown in for good measure so our Big Televen brethren don't feel ignored).  Next up: SPARTY NOOOO!

In case you missed it... PART ONE

MICHIGAN STATE SPARTANS (@ Iowa City, IA; October 30, 2010)

OK, what should we expect when Michigan State doesn't have the ball?  The strength of the Sparty defense figures to be in the middle, where they have arguably the Big Ten's best set of linebackers.  Their top linebacker is Greg Jones, who was all-everything last year: Big Ten Defensive Player of the Year (by the media; the coaches tabbed Penn State's Jared Odrick), 1st team All-American, and 1st-team All-Big Ten (for the second year in a row). Jones is, as they say, a stat sheet stuffer: 154 tackles (14 TFL), 9 sacks, 1 fumble forced.  He is quite good.  He's expected to be joined in the LB ranks by Eric Gordon and Chris Norman.  Gordon is two-year starter who hasn't picked up nearly as many accolades as Jones, but has been very effective: a year ago he had 92 tackles (7.5 TFL), 3.5 sacks, 1 fumble forced.  Norman, a sophomore, is less experienced (just 11 tackles, 1 TFL) but was a highly touted recruit (4* Rivals, 4* Scout, 79 ESPN).  Those three look like a pretty formidable trio, but a pair of big-time recruits, Max Bullough (4* Rivals, 4* Scout, 79 ESPN) and William Gholston (5* Rivals, 5* Scout, 83 ESPN, more of a DE/LB hybrid and, yes, the brother cousin of New York Jets' uber-bust Vernon Gholston) could eat into some of that playing time, too.

In contrast, the glaring weakness of the Spartan defense in 2009 was their secondary -- they gave up 268 ypg and 30 passing touchdowns (while forcing just 8 interceptions).  Six teams passed for more than 300 yards against them.  For god's sake, they made Adam Weber look like the best QB in the conference when they played Minnesota (19/31, 416 yards, 5 TD/1 INT).  Saying that they were bad last year is a grave insult to the word "bad."  (Although, on the other hand, they were a brick wall against Iowa for roughly 58 minutes in 2009, before thankfully reverting to form for that final drive.)  So in that sense, you can take the fact that they return only half of last year's secondary in one of two ways.  An optimist would say that the new faces can hardly be any worse and the experience should have hopefully made the returning players better.  A pessimist would argue that it's not a given that experience will improve all players (we don't want to name names, but we're thinking of a player whose name rhymes with Space Invada) and that playing two more (relatively) inexperienced players is also a risk.  But on the whole, we'd have to side with the optimist here -- it's hard to envision the Spartan pass defense really being worse than it was a year ago.  

Star-divide

At cornerback, returning starter Chris L. Rucker (58 tackles, 8 passes defended, 1 INT) is expected to be joined by Johnny Adams (21 tackles in '08), who played in 12 games, starting two in 2008, before redshirting in 2009.  Dana Dixon and Mitchell White look like the main back-up options, but neither is all that experienced.  CB does not look like a position where MSU is particularly deep.  At safety, the expected starters are returning junior Trenton Robinson and senior Marcus Hyde (older brother of Iowa CB Micah Hyde).  Robinson played in 11 games in 2009, starting three at FS and four at SS, and racked up 67 tackles with three passes defended (1 INT).  Hyde made eight starts in 2009 and had 48 tackles, so the experience level there isn't too bad.  This unit probably won't be one of the Big Ten's best secondaries in 2010, but they shouldn't be Big 12-level horrific, either.

Up front, the defensive line probably features the least experienced unit on MSU's defense.  The projected starters at defensive end are Colin Neely (24 tackles, 7 TFL, 3 sacks) and Tyler Hoover (13 tackles, 0.5 TFL, 0.5 sacks); Neely played a lot last year, but Hoover didn't.  They're slated to be joined by Jerel Worthy (37 tackles, 9 TFL, 4.5 sacks) and Blake Treadwell (11 tackles, 0.5 TFL, 0.5 sacks) at the defensive tackle spots.  Hoover and Treadwell lack much in the way of experience, though Treadwell was a highly touted recruit (4* Rivals, 77 ESPN).  Gholston figures to see action at DE in 2010: you don't often see a 5* prospect at a position of need come in and redshirt, after all.  

And just how "special" are the special teams?  Not too bad.  They lose one of the Big Ten's best placekickers in Brett Swenson (19/22 in 2009, with two of his three misses coming from 50+ yards), but they return one of its best punters in Aaron Bates.  Bates was 2nd team All-Big Ten a year ago (41.6 avg, 36.8 net, 23 inside the 20-yard line) and figures to be one of Donahue's fiercest challengers for the punter spot on the All-Big Ten 1st team this year.  RS frosh Kevin Muma is Swenson's projected replacement; the odds of him being as good as Swenson right off the bat are... pretty goddamn slim.  The return game features the dangerous Keshawn Martin; he was a good kick returner (28.9 avg, 1 TD on 23 returns a year ago) and an average punt returner (7.4 avg on 21 returns a year ago).  But he's still an incredibly dangerous weapon in the open field, as evidenced by his six touchdowns of 48+ yards in 2009, so he's definitely someone to keep an eye on in the return game.

Still pretty awesome.

Alright, brainiac, what's gonna happen?  Well, it's not exactly going out on a limb to argue that the game will be close: going back to 1980, 16 of the 24 games between the two schools have been decided by seven points or less.  The last three games have all been nail-biters: it took two overtimes and a monster second half from Albert Young for Iowa to clip MSU in 2007, MSU forced some crucial turnovers and made a key fourth down stop on Shonn Greene to win in 2008, and Iowa needed "7 got 6" to pull out a win last year.  On offense, these are two eerily similar teams: veteran quarterbacks (Stanzi's played more games, but Cousins has been far less turnover-prone), a pair of talented sophomore running backs, experienced talent at wide receiver, and a lot of question marks along the offensive line.  

There's definite separation between the two teams on the defensive side of the ball.  Sparty has a decided edge at linebacker, where they might have the best set of linebackers in the league (especially if Gholston and Bullough play as well as their hype suggests), but Iowa should have significant edges at defensive line (Iowa returns all four starters from a punishing and productive front four; MSU needs to break in some new faces) and in the secondary (Iowa returns three of four starters from a secondary that helped make Iowa one of the best pass defenses in the nation; Sparty was absolutely abominable at pass defense in 2009). 

Iowa will probably have a difficult time running the ball against MSU and their excellent linebackers, but if the new-look offensive line can give Stanzi a decent amount of time in the pocket, he may be able to pick apart the Spartan secondary.  (Then again, we thought that in 2009, too, and he was utterly wretched until that final, magical drive.)  On the other side of the ball, Iowa's defense appears to match up very well with the Spartan offense on paper: the Iowa defensive line should have a fairly significant advantage over the MSU offensive line, which could have Cousins running for his life a lot and if he does throw it into the secondary, he's throwing the ball against a group that picked off 13 passes in 2009.  On the other hand, match-ups haven't seemed to mean a hell of a lot when these two teams have met in the past -- these are often just two rather evenly matched teams that like to beat the piss out of each other when they play.  So let's go with Iowa by a pair of field goals.

So how's the rest of their season gonna play out?  Like most of their Big Ten brethren, Michigan State faces a pretty lackluster non-conference slate to open the season: home dates with Western Michigan, Notre Dame, and Northern Colorado sandwiched around a "road game" with Florida Atlantic -- in Detroit.  I'm sure Florida Atlantic will have a hell of a homefield advantage there.  (Although based on the problems the teams are having selling tickets to that titanic clash -- who would have guessed?! -- perhaps MSU is just prepping for the trip to Ryan Field later this year.)  Anything less than a 3-1 start out of those games would be a pretty massive disappointment, considering that Western Michigan is predicted to be a middling MAC team, Northern Colorado was a poor I-AA school a year ago, and Florida Atlantic is projected to be an average Sun Belt squad.  Notre Dame should be the only non-conference team to give them any sort of challenge -- and much of that depends on your belief in Brian Kelly's ability to quickly rebuild the Notre Dame offense (and get them to play any semblance of defense, which was not a tremendous strong suit of Kelly's Cincinnati teams, either).  Sparty's won three of the last five against Notre Dame, so recent history is on their side.  Then again, if history repeats itself and we get another rant like this, well, aren't we all a bit more entertained?  (Yes.  Yes we are.)

(H/T to Reading Rambler for reminding me of this awesome clip.)

October brings a tougher slate of games, though: Wisconsin, @ Michigan, Illinois, @ just Northwestern, and @ Iowa.  Sparty will likely be underdogs in two of those games (Wisco, @ Iowa), favorites in another (Illinois), and virtual pushes in the other two (@ Michigan, @ Northwestern), but a winning record in these games is a necessity if Sparty wants to avoid the 6-6/7-5 pit of mediocrity and a return trip to Ford Field for the Pizza Pizza Bowl.  MSU has famously taken the last two against Michigan and they match up very well against them aside from the lines (which is obviously a rather large caveat); still, if Cousins has any time at all, he should be able to shred Michigan's woeful pass defense.  MSU has dominated Illinois of late (they've won 11 of the last 12), but they've been even with jNW (4-4) over the last decade.  But since wins in Iowa City and at home against Wisconsin could be hard to come by, Sparty really needs to win those three games.

November offers a relatively soft landing for the MSU season: home games against Minnesota and Purdue sandwiched around a bye week, followed by the all-important Battle for the Land Grant Trophy against Penn State to wrap up the season.  While Penn State looks more vulnerable this year than they have for a few years, they also look like a team that you'd much rather play at the start of the season than at the end.  The new faces on the defensive line and at linebacker should be pretty well-experienced by that point and whoever gets the nod at quarterback should also be settled in.  So that looks like an unlikely W for Michigan State.  On the bright side, home games against Minnesota and Purdue look like much more plausible wins -- and frankly it'd be a bit surprising if they didn't win both of those games.  Although there is always the threat of them pulling a Sparty and dropping a game or two that they really shouldn't lose.  Still, this looks like roughly an 8-4 squad.

NEXT: Indiana!

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Gholston is not Vernon’s brother. They’re cousins.

by sullivti on Aug 23, 2010 2:14 PM CDT reply actions  

I am dumb.


"All of this has happened before. All of this will happen again."

by Bucketochicken on Aug 23, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

More like tomorrow.

Since the season starts in 10 goddamn days, the pace of these will have to ramp up.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Aug 23, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing

A few delays earlier this summer have caused this. Hopefully you have a few already written or its going to be a busy week of research for you Ross. Really looking forward to seeing the rest of the series… especially Minnesota

"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable

by ClaybornSmash on Aug 23, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Procrastination means doing tomorrow what you could have done yesterday, right?

Or something like that. Anyway, they all shall get done for teams actually on Iowa’s schedule. Purdue will probably be SOL.

We’ll have to trudge through Indiana and jNW this week to get to OSU and Minnesota next week, though.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Aug 23, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Procrastination

Is like masturbation, you’re only fucking yourself.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Aug 23, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Awesome

"The possibility of physical and mental collapse is now very real. No sympathy for the Devil, keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride!" HST

by Dip-Shit on Aug 23, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but they both feel great in the moment.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Aug 23, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I believe its SAWL

"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable

by ClaybornSmash on Aug 23, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

SAWL FTW.

Wait… what does that make FTW?

by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Aug 23, 2010 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Faw-taw"?

You know what? I say HS was right, and it is “lole”. And I will tolerate no dissent, dammit.

You see what I did there? Yeeeaaaaaahhhh.

by hkobb7 on Aug 24, 2010 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Stop infecting this thread with your wrongness, Captain Wrong.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Aug 24, 2010 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Uh huh

and I take it you pronounce the ranking system BlogPlawl?

It never gets to be easy

by chitownhawkeye on Aug 24, 2010 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

LAWL FOREVER.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Aug 25, 2010 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

I prefer

Captain Right or Lieutenant America (Captain America’s aide). But that’s just me.

You see what I did there? Yeeeaaaaaahhhh.

by hkobb7 on Aug 25, 2010 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

For Purdue...

…you can just post a picture of Danny Hope’s mustache.

[I started thinking about facial hair as I typed that, and I thought of next year… do we face any more mustaches besides Hope’s and the Wanstache?]

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 24, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

unclear

I’m not even certain we can planning on seeing Hope’s. Who knows what the divisions will be and all. We also don’t know who will be coaching Illinois and Minnesota if/when we play them.

by PackerHawk on Aug 24, 2010 9:13 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Well the Indiana offense one writes itself...

…Scrambling QB in a pistol formation, throwing to a 7 foot tall receiver while everyone else sucks and/or cheats. Boom. Done.

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 23, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I kinda figured it out after awhile...

I seem to recall a BHGP postgame blogpost with a game photo captioned (IIRC), “How my ass taste?”


"All of this has happened before. All of this will happen again."

by Bucketochicken on Aug 23, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

What's confusing though,

is why Ross would use former Illini kicker Jason Reda as the example there.


"All of this has happened before. All of this will happen again."

by Bucketochicken on Aug 23, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've been working on this one for a couple of hours

and still can’t figure it out. A little help up here in the peanut gallery?

/Exhausted’d

"Oh no, don't do that, don't do that. If you shoot him, you'll just make him mad." - The Waco Kid

by HawkOnRails on Aug 23, 2010 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you're in the peanut gallery

you’re probably thinking the wrong shade of DB.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Aug 24, 2010 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Try saying it out loud. SPACE IN-VAY-DUH

If you still can’t get it, you must have been mispronouncing the name of defensive back in question.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Aug 24, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

That first "A" never looked like an "Ah" sound to me.

Of course, I’m sure Corso and Pam Ward pronounced it like that at some point or another.

You see what I did there? Yeeeaaaaaahhhh.

by hkobb7 on Aug 24, 2010 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

[H]ome dates with Western Michigan, Notre Dame, and Northern Colorado sandwiched around a “road game” with Florida Atlantic — in Detroit. I’m sure Florida Atlantic will have a hell of a homefield advantage there. (Although based on the problems the teams are having selling tickets to that titanic clash — who would have guessed?! — perhaps MSU is just prepping for the trip to Ryan Field later this year.)

Ouch, that hurts. It’s sadly true (hey, the empty seats at Ryan Field do not lie – in fact, there are sometimes so many of them, they’d outvote those of us who attend games if we put it up for a vote), but for my favorite team/alma mater, and as a season ticket holder that goes to every game and many road games…..it still hurts.

/Seriously wishing that people in Chicago would stop watching the EPIC FAIL that is the Chicago Bears, and instead buy some tickets and root for Northwestern.

by Chadnudj on Aug 23, 2010 2:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, it's pretty strange.

Decent Big Ten football is being played just north of a city of 4 million people and no one is paying attention. All kidding aside, Fitzgerald is doing a hell of a job of putting competitive teams on the field, good teams like Iowa and Wisconsin are coming out of there on the losing end of games far more often than they did in the past, and yet no one seems to care.

20 years ago it was totally understandable. Today, not so much.

Is it the annual slow starts and obligatory bad non-conference loss, such that people quit paying attention by October? Is it a bad marketing department? Is Chicago just a pro sports town to that degree? I’m seriously asking, becuase it’s baffling to me.

by DonnyDonovan on Aug 23, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just don't think people in Chicago ......

Really give a shit about college football. The like their pro sports there, even though most of the teams (sans Blackhawks) suck.

You would think more random Big 10 alums would go to NW games, though, just for the fix of college football.

by Torbee on Aug 23, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I went to a Purdue/jNW game there 2 years ago when I lived in Chicago

for exactly that reason

"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable

by ClaybornSmash on Aug 23, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you're a random Big Ten fan...

…and want to come up to Evanston for a game (say, when your team has a bye week), I’ll be there tailgating…..swing by….almost all of our fans will offer you food and beer (or, for some of our snootier/stereotypical alums, wine and cheese), because that’s what Big Ten fans do….

by Chadnudj on Aug 23, 2010 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, there are a ton of college football fans in Chicagoland

but they are divided amongst a huge number of schools’ loyalty. I’m a perfect example; I went to Iowa (although I was raised a Hawkeye), had a brother go to Ohio U., another go to Wisconsin and my sister went to Purdue. That’s not at all atypical of the area.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Aug 23, 2010 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Honestly....

…it’s a lot of problems:

1. Even though it’s close, Evanston is not Chicago. Most of the millions in Chicago have never even ventured up to Evanston, and probably don’t even know that you could get to Ryan Field on the El for $2.25, or the Metra for slightly more (and in each case be dropped off 2 blocks from the field).

2. Chicago is a pro sports town, particularly lately, and particularly in September/October. This year looks to be the first time in most of the past decade or so where (a) the Cubs are completely out of it by September, (b) the White Sox are completely out of it by September, and © the Bears look putrid….maybe something will change. Still, the Bears/Cubs/Sox (and later in season, the Bulls and Blackhawks) sell papers and ads….

3. Northwestern gets out-reported in the local sports media by Notre Dame certainly, and probably by the Illini as well (although this last part is changing as Fitz/Walker made the Cats a lot better than Zook has made the Illini). This infuriates me (and most Cats fans) to no end — why the hell cover a losing private school 100 miles away than a team located on the El just north of Chicago, with affordable tickets for families, players who graduate, a dynamic young coach, and which is playing in the best sports conference in the world? Baffling.

4. Our ticketing/marketing of the team has been somewhat lacking — a lot of this has to do with resources (it’s a heck of a lot cheaper to buy TV/radio/billboard/newspaper ads in Bloomington, West Lafayette, Iowa City, or even Ann Arbor or Columbus than in Chicago), but it appears we’re starting to turn things around with some recent hiring in the marketing department.

5. There is the fact that we sucked from the mid 1970s-1995, too….a lot of generations of fans/could be fans didn’t exactly grow up rooting for us. (This is also, though, a point of optimism when you see a lot of families with young kids coming to games — maybe things are changing).

Fortunately, the Wrigley Game, the past two exciting bowl appearances/winning seasons, the ridiculous cost of Bears games (average cost per game for a parking pass near Soldier Field: $102 — you can get an NU season TICKET for less than $100 this year, plus we offer free Goose Island beer before every game at Wildcat Alley just north of the stadium), and most importantly Fitz and the players have really done a lot to get people talking here in Chicago about Northwestern, so hopefully we’ll have less empty seats…..(and I say this as a fan who, in 1997, remembers going to a LOT of Northwestern sellouts/near sellouts for a FAR worse team….and who was there in 2000 for a sellout vs. Michigan in the greatest game ever played, Northwestern 54-Michigan 51)

by Chadnudj on Aug 23, 2010 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I applaud you for remembering that you guys played football before 1995

It seems to slip a lot of people’s minds

"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable

by ClaybornSmash on Aug 23, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, not "a lot" of people's minds

because it slips from the minds of Northwestern fans.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Aug 23, 2010 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Touche salesman

"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable

by ClaybornSmash on Aug 23, 2010 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mostly agree

although the second part of this isn’t at all true:

Northwestern gets out-reported in the local sports media by Notre Dame certainly, and probably by the Illini as well

Illinois gets decent coverage when they’re having one of their fluky, good-every-six-years kind of campaign but haven’t really challenged jNU for media attention since the Cats’ Rose Bowl season. While both U of I and jNW are dwarfed by ND in terms of coverage, jNW gets plenty of love (and it doesn’t hurt that they’re carried on WGN Radio) from Chicago media.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Aug 23, 2010 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Completely unnofficial BHGP poll:

Better sports rant:
Valenti crazy (above) OR
Classic Lee Elia F-Bomb filled tirade http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-lee-elia-rant-mp3,0,5241709.mp3file
I couldn’t find a non-bleeped one. Does one exist?

by HawkeyePapyrus on Aug 23, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Indeed.

I had actually forgotten about it until Rambler posted it in the comments of Part 1 of this preview. So I doff my cap to Rambler for bringing it to my attention again.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Aug 23, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, I've listened to that dozens of times.

There’s something so pure and exceptional about his rage/disbelief that it’s kind of like a drug to hear it.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Aug 23, 2010 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Big Ten Defensive Player of the Year (by the media; the coaches tabbed Penn State’s Jared Odrick),

Suck it, Michigan State.

Turn your crank to Frank!

by ReadingRambler on Aug 23, 2010 3:03 PM CDT reply actions  

P.S. The media picked as their 2009 pre-season defensive player of the year….take a guess….that’s right, Greg Jones.

Not sayin’, just sayin’.

Turn your crank to Frank!

by ReadingRambler on Aug 23, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

They also picked

Pryor as Offensive Player of the year in 2009, and 2010. So that shows you how much they know.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Aug 23, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Everyone not a PSU fan

agrees that the Odrick pick was a travesty and that he wasn’t as deserving as Jones or even Graham.

Es gibt keine Freude wie Schadenfreude

by Seer on Aug 23, 2010 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I tend to think most Big Ten coaches probably aren’t homer PSU fans or journalists.

Turn your crank to Frank!

by ReadingRambler on Aug 23, 2010 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Keep in mind...

Bryan Bulaga won Big Ten Offensive Lineman of the Year and he probably wasn’t the best OL on his own team.

by HawKCP on Aug 23, 2010 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Was that coaches or media?

I know the coaches don’t know everything, but there’s a reason Odrick was an All-American. Jones wasn’t.

Turn your crank to Frank!

by ReadingRambler on Aug 23, 2010 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Um.

Greg Jones was a consensus All-American; Odrick wasn’t (though he was named to a couple All-America teams).

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Aug 23, 2010 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

How the crap am I supposed to know that?

What? Do you want to me use google instead of my memory?

Yeah, right.

Turn your crank to Frank!

by ReadingRambler on Aug 24, 2010 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

'Marucs' Hyde

Had to look that one up in the Google to confirm that it is supposed to be ‘Marcus’. I thought we might have another fun name in the vein of Dwyane or Chone.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Aug 23, 2010 3:12 PM CDT reply actions  

goddamn it.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Aug 23, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well

The way the series has gone, we won a close one, we lost a close one, won a close one last year, so we have to lose a close one this year. That’s my theory anyway.

by edr247 on Aug 23, 2010 3:41 PM CDT reply actions  

I smell a statistics rant

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Aug 23, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll make a pie chart

/From the Rumble Seat’d

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Aug 23, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Past two series

1999, East Lansing, L, (3-49)
2000, Iowa City, W (21-16)
2001, East Lansing, L (28-31)
2002, Iowa City, W (44-16)
2003, East Lansing, L, (10-20)
2004, Iowa City, W (38-16)

2007, Iowa City, W (34-27, 2OT)
2008, East Lansing, L (13-16)
2009, East Lansing, W (15-13)

by edr247 on Aug 23, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oops

Hit ‘Post’ before I finished bolding the last win.

by edr247 on Aug 23, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe you should look at it

As a stadium thing: Whenever the game is played in Iowa City, Iowa wins. Whenever it’s played in East Lansing, it’s a loss (except for Holy Shit 2009).

You see what I did there? Yeeeaaaaaahhhh.

by hkobb7 on Aug 23, 2010 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or maybe as a

“Past results don’t determine future performance” thing. Yeah, I like the latter.

You see what I did there? Yeeeaaaaaahhhh.

by hkobb7 on Aug 23, 2010 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Re: Chris L. Rucker

If he plays can we officially refer to him as Chris L(ife as a C) Rucker?

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 23, 2010 4:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Not that it should

but that post makes me happy. Is that creepy?

by HawKCP on Aug 23, 2010 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, Guy, it isn't.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Aug 23, 2010 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you're underrating MSU's O-line

Yes, there are some new faces in there, but I don’t think they’ll have trouble protecting Cousins. The O-line was new last year too, and they were able to keep him clean. I think it’s in the coaching, pass protection is probably less of a concern than run blocking.

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by Seer on Aug 23, 2010 8:02 PM CDT reply actions  

I think MSU has a chance

To actually make some noise this year. They don’t play OSU. They have a very good offense. The defense just needs to improve some. Well…more than some, but they have a good nucleus. I’m going to the MSU game as my one game this year. If we hold up our end , this game could have serious championship implications for both teams.

by Kmurp on Aug 23, 2010 9:06 PM CDT reply actions  

FUN FACT

I think Iowa in 2002 was the last team to claim a Big Ten title without beating Ohio State.

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by RossWB on Aug 23, 2010 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Until jNW this year?

Just kidding. Am I? Yes. Maybe. Yes, positive.
/tries to convince self this can’t/won’t happen, nose starts to bleed.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Aug 26, 2010 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe you're right

But the “They don’t play OSU” point reminds me of 2005 when Purdue got ranked highly only because they didn’t play UM and OSU. Sadly, Purdue was crappy and lost more than they won.

Turn your crank to Frank!

by ReadingRambler on Aug 23, 2010 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ah yes, the "Purdue Rule"

If the strongest argument you can make for a team winning is based on who they don’t play, then they aren’t that good.

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by HoyaGoon on Aug 24, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

2007 and 2008 Iowa had the same arguments

Without Michigan or OSU. I really wish Greene could have gone against OSU.

by PackerHawk on Aug 24, 2010 9:16 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Zone blocking will shred a 3-4 scheme

It allows the tackles to get to the next level without interuption. Kirk knows this and if they decide they want to run it with a couple of freshman holding the edges against Iowa’s athletic line they are in trouble.

"I don't believe in quotes" - Karl Klug

by Nature Boy on Aug 24, 2010 8:51 AM CDT reply actions  

I have a feeling that we'll see a better running attack against MSU this year

for this very reason. MSU does have great linebackers but our O-line is small and fast enough to get to that next level and get bodies on the LB’s. We don’t match up against the run as well against a 4-3.

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by ClaybornSmash on Aug 24, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

Even with the offensive line a question mark (I’m tempering my pessimism with DiNardo-inspired cautious enthusiasm), Iowa always seems like they run better against 3-4s. It should be especially evident this year, what with the size (and, hopefully, speed) of the OL.

And for those of you who don’t know what exactly zone blocking is (I’m not sure how many of the readers played football and ran a zone scheme, or have picked it up over the years), I would look here. If the article doesn’t explain the concept to you fully, try the links at the end.

You see what I did there? Yeeeaaaaaahhhh.

by hkobb7 on Aug 24, 2010 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can you imagine

A Doylized Iowa O-lineman taking on a true freshman with a pissed off Hampton right in tow? I don’t care how many stars a guy gets, this is the Big Ten not the Big 12.

"I don't believe in quotes" - Karl Klug

by Nature Boy on Aug 25, 2010 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good article on zone blocking

That just goes to show that cohesiveness on the OL is even more imperative with our offensive scheme…which the coaching staff has been harping on. I can also see the importance of the RB gelling with the OL and having experience running behind this type of blocking scheme.

by HawKCP on Aug 25, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bingo.

Last year was the perfect model to see how a new RB to the system takes some time to be able to find the best holes.

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by BStylin Hawkye on Aug 25, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Paki has had pleanty of time with the system and he's still searching for a hole.

Some guys just have a natural sense of it. Freddy was uncanny at finding his lanes while Paki just can’t figure it out. Then you have Greene who just made his own holes when needed.

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by Kluginator on Aug 25, 2010 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think its that he can't figure it out.

IMO I don’t think his acceleration is up to the level of the better RB’s that we’ve had in the past or presently, and the holes close before he can reach them.

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by BStylin Hawkye on Aug 25, 2010 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

He’s just not very good and it’s not as though he deserves our scorn for that. He isn’t some hot-shot, heralded recruit that came in and acted entitled from day-one. This is very much in line with the Lil’ Lick conversation that occurred earlier this year. By all accounts Paki is a good teammate and works hard in practice. At the end of the day his skill set is just not up to the level of guys like Robinson or Hampton. And you know what? He still will jump in at RB when/if KF needs him because he (presumably) loves to play football and loves the Hawkeyes. My guess is that if he didn’t have a funny/unique name we wouldn’t bring him up so often.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Aug 26, 2010 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

It depends.

If he had never played, he’d be a curious footnote; the name would have brought him slightly more attention, but I think it would have petered out. The fact that he has played, though, and indeed has a shot (albeit not very good right now) to have been our starting tailback at the beginning of the season THREE STRAIGHT YEARS does make him a more notable figure.

I think he’s in the same boat as Sam Brownlee, who gets a lot of run still because he was the last man standing in 2004. Paki has been the last man standing for a few years now, thanks to AIRBHG’s machinations and some RB recruiting woes earlier in the decade. Personally, I respect both guys for their dedication to the team and for their efforts in practice/special teams/etc. … I just get cold sweats when they have to run the ball with the first-team offense.

I also get cold sweats about Paki because he is a goddamn face-stealing, communist-sympathizing terrorist bastard. Ahem.

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by RossWB on Aug 26, 2010 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Clearly

there is a balance between talent and experience that is necessary to compete at a high level. In the case of RB and especially OL we’re saying that the experience factor weighs more heavily than at other positions.

Clearly you couldn’t have my 98 lb ass watch practice for a few years and then expect me to dominate.

by HawKCP on Aug 25, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

FWIW

I think the secondary is going to be better (a couple of freshmen you didn’t mention will be big contributors), but the pass rush is going to be worse. The offense, on the other hand, will be very good so long as the o-line is adequate.

Also, I’m planning to be at the game in Iowa City. So there’s that.

by LVS on Aug 24, 2010 3:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Flying into Chicago?

Beer date with Dave & myself perhaps?

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Aug 26, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

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