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Iowa Debuts On AP Poll At No. 9

Good news, everyone! The AP college football preseason poll was released this morning, and the Iowa Hawkeyes are slotted at ninth (by way of comparison, they were 10th in the coaches' poll). Only six of the 60 voters actually put Iowa at no. 9, however; their votes ranged from 3rd to 15th.

The poll's release also marks the launch of APTop25.com, which seems long overdue. In this day and age, something that compiles that amount of data and information deserves its own interactive experience, after all. And hey look, you can click on each of the teams. I wonder what happens when you click on Iowa...

 

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A crooked-ass logo and a story about JoePa? For serious? Hang on, we need to check--yep, according to the Geneva Conventions, this can only be considered an act of aggression by Penn State. Iowa now has no choice but to beat the Nittany Lions on October 2. YOU HEAR US? IT'S ON. 

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 Florida, Oklahoma, and Virginia Tech

The Buckeyes are hitting Wisconsin, Ole Miss is taunting Oregon, Bama is taking shots at USC, Oregon State and Georgia, N.C. State is messing with UNC and Vanderbilt is messing with Georgia Tech and Florida State

Someone’s stirring up some trouble

by PSUisMyHeart on Aug 21, 2010 1:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Channel 13

still uses that logo, as does the Register. Hell, until just a few years ago, KCCI’s graphic for an Iowa helmet had a yellow facemask.

by TarHeelHawk on Aug 21, 2010 1:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Local news ftw?

You see what I did there? Yeeeaaaaaahhhh.

by hkobb7 on Aug 21, 2010 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

KCCI also had a sportscaster

who said Ben Roethlisberger’s name wrong three times in the same sportscast, and said CIML (Central Iowa Metro League) as a word.

by TarHeelHawk on Aug 21, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ouch.

You see what I did there? Yeeeaaaaaahhhh.

by hkobb7 on Aug 21, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not sure if you're from Des Moines,

so that’s why I spelled it out. Any insults were unintended.

by TarHeelHawk on Aug 21, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nope

CR, thanks for the heads-up.

You see what I did there? Yeeeaaaaaahhhh.

by hkobb7 on Aug 21, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't usually watch...

the Jimmy CIML show. He’s not very funny.

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Aug 21, 2010 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jimmy CIML

Would be an insurance salesman if he wasn’t funny. It’s a decent show. Better than Letterman, anyway.

You see what I did there? Yeeeaaaaaahhhh.

by hkobb7 on Aug 21, 2010 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Boom went his dynamite.


"All of this has happened before. All of this will happen again."

by Bucketochicken on Aug 22, 2010 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

HHAHAHAHAHAGAGHAHA!!!

no wonder we lose to you guys! joepa coaches for you!

"Life is no way to treat an animal"

by Mr. Rosewater on Aug 21, 2010 1:17 PM CDT reply actions  

You're missing a valuable point

We can now make our own top 25! Wooooooo
Middle Tennessee, I dub thee #12. UConn, how about 8th. Baylor is 16th, no, 15th, so that the entire ESPN bottom 10 can be 25-16.
This is binding right? Others receiving votes will now show Rice, right?

It never gets to be easy

by chitownhawkeye on Aug 21, 2010 1:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Nebraska and Iowa

comedy how Neb can finish 14th and start at 8th. and Iowa drops from 7th to 9th. I’m too lazy to look up returning starters – but yeah, pretty much sums up these preseason polls

by KentuckyThunderPussy on Aug 21, 2010 2:06 PM CDT reply actions  

It's really a wash

Nebraska was more dominant against Arizona, but the ISU loss was farcical.

In their defense, Nebraska lost one very high profile player. They return 9 on offense, so you might think they have to improve there somewhat. I doubt that their defense will see much fo a dropoff as their secondary is loaded which should help cover up any development that needs to happen with the front 7 early on.

by PackerHawk on Aug 21, 2010 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

A wash?

Against common opponents they went 1-1, we went 2-0.
They have one more returner than we do, but from all the players leaving both teams, Suh will be the hardest to replace.

The main thing is how do you account for the 8 place change in relative rankings from last season? I mean, they jumped 6 spots, and we sank 2…

by BornaHawk on Aug 22, 2010 2:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

The fact that they dominated AZ contributes

Pollsters remember that 33-0 and if they even remember Iowa’s game against AZ they saw a closer score. Most of them don’t look closer than the final score.

I should have clarified that I don’t think it’s a wash, but it could be in the minds of pollsters.

by PackerHawk on Aug 22, 2010 3:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well,

When they were taking apart Arizona, we were crushing a much better Georgia Tech team. If its a wash, than the relative rankings would remain the same, instead they gained 8 spots. I call shenanigans on this tomfoolery!

by BornaHawk on Aug 22, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Even then, for final score dumbasses

33-0 is more impressive than 24-14.

by PackerHawk on Aug 22, 2010 2:18 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Shenanigans and tomfoolery

Two simply amazing words that every blog post should necessarily contain.

You see what I did there? Yeeeaaaaaahhhh.

by hkobb7 on Aug 22, 2010 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you can't discount Iowa State as a complete fluke...

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Aug 22, 2010 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wonder...

…how much of it has to do with the schedule. Iowa’s schedule includes three top 25 teams and one more that is receiving votes. Nebraska has Texas at home and a pile of unranked teams. I wonder if there is some expectation on the part of the pollsters that Nebraska’s on-field record will be superior to Iowa’s regardless of the quality of the team?

by Abbas_Cincinnatus on Aug 23, 2010 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think...

its a Miss America contest and and the judges are imagining Iowa and Nebraska in tight revealing swim suits right now while forgetting that the talent contest and interview are still to come and worth 70% of the final score. Let Nebraska have this moment because when the season is coming to a close Nebraska will be found lacking

the trailer hitch scrotum was my idea

by Kluginator on Aug 23, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

You basically subtract 10 from Nebraska' ranking

To eliminate the irrational reputation bias. Same with Florida, Florida State, Miami (Florida), any other team from Florida. I’ll throw Texas in there, too, they didn’t do anything last year to convince me they belonged in the top 10, nonetheless the title game.

Color me unconvinced on Boise State, too. I suspect they’d have been a respectable 10-2 or 9-3 team in the B10, SEC, or even ACC, but nowhere near #3 pre-season. “But they return so many starters!” So what? If they wouldn’t have been top 5 last year with those guys playing a schedule that didn’t include 4 teams in the bottom 15%, why should they be top 5 this year with them? When BSU starts playing opponents with a net winning record, I’ll take the undefeated season more seriously.
 

by hawkeyeinstl on Aug 21, 2010 2:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Nebraska was damned close to beating the No. 2 team in the country.

They had a fluke against Iowa State, lost on a last play AT Va Tech and barely loss to Texass in the Big XII championship. That’s pretty good.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Aug 22, 2010 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Kicking the shit out of Oregon last year

wasn’t good enough for you? That same Oregon team that ended up in the Rose Bowl. Boise destroyed Oregon.

by TarHeelHawk on Aug 21, 2010 3:12 PM CDT reply actions  

It's not that Boise isn't good

they are. It’s that they play a weak ass schedule and everybody swoons about how great they are.

When they play a big boy schedule, they’ll get big boy respect from everybody. My gut tells me VT is going to kick their ass.

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Aug 21, 2010 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Boise very well could be a top 5 team, but until they have to get up for every game (instead of 1 or 2 a year) then they aren’t a top team to me. Yes, they beat Oregon and if they beat VT this year everyone will be salivating over them again, but no one mentions that for the rest of the season (with a 1 game exception) they are playing the equivalent of MAC-rifice teams. If they had to play in the Big 10(12) with all the heavy hitting (see Iowa v MSU last year) every week then I’m sure we wouldn’t be talking about them being a top 5 team.

"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable

by ClaybornSmash on Aug 21, 2010 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

The problem with this argument...

is that it can not currently happen, and probably never will.

It is not Boise’s fault that they are in a “weaker conference.” It is not their fault if decent-to-good teams won’t play them because they might lose.

I’m not really sure I buy Boise as a national power, either. But they are doing what they can (and have to) do to get as close as possible. They have a pair of BCS bowl wins. They have run the table in 2 out of 4 years, and won ten games in 9 out of the last 11.

It is not that far off from the crap that the national media gives to “insert Big Ten team” when they won the conference in a “down year for the Big Ten.” It was still tough to do, and that team still deserves the credit for having a great year.

And as I finish typing this, TarHeelHawk makes the exact statement I make (although in a more cogent and effective manner), so I guess I’m glad I’m not alone.

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Aug 21, 2010 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Flip this on its head.

but until they have to get up for every game (instead of 1 or 2 a year) then they aren’t a top team to me.

As Iowa fans we’re only slightly familiar with this concept (tOSU knows) but it makes it no less true; BSU does have to “get up” for nearly every game because, regardless of the talent facing them, they are at the level in their own conference where they are getting everyone’s best shot pretty much every game. They are the target in the WAC, shitty as it may be, and that they still manage to roll the vast majority of the teams on their schedule is remarkable. And despite their cachet, it’s not exactly as though they’re landing elite talent.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Aug 22, 2010 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Recruiting talent

I don’t have the time or resources to scout out every one of these players, but based on the stars, their recruits aren’t even as good as Iowa’s. Therefore, there’s something very special either about Chris Peterson’s recruiting vision or Chris Peterson’s coaching ability and staff. Or both.

You see what I did there? Yeeeaaaaaahhhh.

by hkobb7 on Aug 22, 2010 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, Iowa's aren't as good as a lot of teams.

They’re obviously flukey, too.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Aug 22, 2010 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's the same lame argument that everyone uses.

They can’t help their schedule, or that everyone else in their conference is terrible. Boise didn’t have any advantages when they got in to D-1 that other teams in their league didn’t have, they just got really good and started taking names.

When Boise is given the chance to play against the big boys, usually it’s the big boys that end up getting kicked in the teeth. The win against Oregon wasn’t a fluke, and they proved it in the Fiesta Bowl.

The real travesty will be if they run the table and still get left out, and I don’t care if there are two other teams that are undefeated.

by TarHeelHawk on Aug 21, 2010 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree its a lame argument but it makes it no less true

Should we take SOS out of the equation? Boise State can’t help their schedule and they have kicked everyone’s ass that they’ve played including an OU team that had absolutely zero excuses for losing that game except for being outplayed. My question is this: Should we assume that Boise winning one game a year over BCS level competition is enough basis to put them in the NCG? If Iowa and say Alabama goes undefeated along with Boise this year, who should get the shot at the NCG? I’m of the opinion that SOS really matters in determining ranking and bowl placement. If they ended up going undefeated and not going to a BCS game, then I would agree that they got screwed. Its up to Boise to arrange their OOC games and they’re doing the best they can. They are in a very unenviable position of being good enough to get the national recognition but not influential enough to warrant an invite in a BCS league (Utah got that instead).

"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable

by ClaybornSmash on Aug 21, 2010 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

We just can't talk too much crap about Boise,

as Iowa fans, until we bet them in a scheduled game or in a bowl. Until then, us ragging on them just seems a bit jerky, not Herky, you know?

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Aug 21, 2010 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Completely agree and I'm not meaning to sound that way

They’re a great team and anyone who says otherwise hasn’t been watching CFB for the past 5 years. My opinion is just that until they improve their SOS (mainly by getting a new conference), the teams from tougher conferences should be in front of them if they have the same record. If Boise is one of 2 undefeated teams in the country, I have no issue with them playing in the NCG. They took care of business and only 1 other team did as well – play it out. I guess I can summarize my feelings by saying I think SOS should be a tie-breaker and that automatically is a huge disadvantage for Boise.

"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable

by ClaybornSmash on Aug 21, 2010 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not ragging on Boise State.

I’m ragging on the ranking psychology.

And in any case, I don’t understand why a team I like has to beat another team before I can criticize how the ranking system handles that team. As others have pointed out, BSU is doing everything it can do to prove itself. Bully for them, but until they play competitive teams week and week out and go undefeated (like teams in Big Boy conferences do) they don’t deserve to be a serious player in the national championship discussion and that’s what they are at #3.

by hawkeyeinstl on Aug 21, 2010 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is why we need a playoff

It’s absolutely insane to argue that they do not belong simply because they have played a weaker schedule than others, and yet it’s nearly as insane to put them ahead of a one-loss team against whose schedule most reasonable estimates would have Boise with one or more losses.

The only solution is to invite both.

by SpartanDan on Aug 22, 2010 1:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Counldnt agree more

"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable

by ClaybornSmash on Aug 22, 2010 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure too many people swoon about how great they are.

I mean, they went undefeated and didn’t get to play BCS conference team.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Aug 22, 2010 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah I know

Boise has basically a 1 or 2-game schedule. If they win those few games, they run the table. Purdue beat Ohio State. If they ran the table against the rest of BSU’s schedule should they be #3? Hell no.
 
BSU ought to be somewhere around #10. I’d put them in the 10-15 range probably. Not because they aren’t good, they’re clearly a fantastic team. I just think they’d be much less impressive against a more legitimate schedule, something like 10-2 or 9-3, maybe even 8-4 in a really tough conference division with some nasty road games.

That’s still a great team. But it’s not a #3 team.

by hawkeyeinstl on Aug 21, 2010 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's no way they run the table of Boise State.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Aug 22, 2010 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah?

Oregon (maybe not)
MIami (OH)
Fresno State
Bowling Green
UC Davis
Tulsa
Hawaii
San Jose State
Louisiana Tech
Idaho
Utah State
Nevada
New Mexico State
TCU

TCU and Oregon were difficult (I included the bowl, just for kicks) by Big Ten standards. However, Purdue could win that entire schedule if they got a few breaks last year (which Boise definitely did in the form of turnovers in the Fiesta Bowl).

You see what I did there? Yeeeaaaaaahhhh.

by hkobb7 on Aug 22, 2010 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry, must have missed that OU is returning The Boz

Seriously, this is the same team that lost a Heisman trophy-winning quarterback, a top 5 pick on defense and who still lost more games last year under Stoops in one season in over ten plus seasons, right?

"I know you're from Middle America, and sometimes you feel like you're representing more than just a school or a conference, maybe an entire group of American citizens out there."

by Twin Cities Hawk on Aug 21, 2010 4:13 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

It still doesn't dismiss the fact

That they lost Bradford, his replacement was better known for his pubestache than winning games and McCoy left. Yet, without fail, everyone jumps on Big Program’s tip this time of the year, thoughts of expectations and “could be’s” getting in the way of subjective thinking.

"I know you're from Middle America, and sometimes you feel like you're representing more than just a school or a conference, maybe an entire group of American citizens out there."

by Twin Cities Hawk on Aug 22, 2010 7:42 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yet so many of these teams end up playing well.

Some don’t. Some do. Some teams like Iowa play worse than expectations. Some teams like Iowa play better than expectations. Maybe there’s been a “study”, but I’m not sure preseason rankings are too much worse than people around here predicting how good the team’s are.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Aug 22, 2010 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

BSD also creeped in to the Iowa page.

Of the five primary links listed in the “Iowa from the blogs” section, four are BHGP links, but the third is the most recent BSD Nitt Picks article. The AP can’t tell the schools apart, or maybe this is their way of saying PSU and Iowa belong in the same division in the new BigTen.

by The Mexican't on Aug 21, 2010 6:00 PM CDT reply actions  

…or maybe this is their way of saying PSU and Iowa belong in the same division in the new BigTen.

Add in the recent media reports on the medical demise of Joe Paterno, and I can see patterns that others can not. This is:

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Aug 21, 2010 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dammit!

Shows how much I pay attention. I had it set in my mind that it was a fall show. Time to go to PirateBay.

by PackerHawk on Aug 22, 2010 4:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's OK.

I quit watching Rubicon after episode 2. Although it was cool to see the actor from “Sledgehammer” back on TV again.

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Aug 22, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nebraska is No. 10

joke…and don’t even start with me on Oklahoma.

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Aug 21, 2010 10:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Why do you guys think Nebraska is so bad?

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Aug 22, 2010 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because their offense doesn't exist

And their defense lost their major playmaker.

You see what I did there? Yeeeaaaaaahhhh.

by hkobb7 on Aug 22, 2010 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

No offense

they were 99th nationally last year in total offense, return an overrated RB and a solid WR that would be third on Iowa’s pecking order, and they are undecided at QB. My rule of thumb is this…if you have QB ???s then you are potentially fucked. Not impressed by Bo Pellini as a head coach yet either. He has done a wonderful job so far of getting Nebraska back to playing superb defense. But I think he is a coordinator in the HC office and will lose games they should/could win. Not to mention that the guy is dumbass blowhard jerk off, but that’s neither here nor there. I give them this…they do have a great FG kicker. After that, I am left to wonder how they will score against a good defense.

They have a very easy schedule. Texas at home. Washington on road is their big OOC game. Don’t play OU. Although, I see them losing to OKSt or KSt on road, maybe to Washington and to Texas. Best case is 2 losses.

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Aug 22, 2010 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

They're not "bad"

But they’re not #10 good as of now. They would prove to be by the end of the year, but based on last year and the offseason, I’m utterly baffled as to how they leapfrogged so many programs.

by hawkeyeinstl on Aug 22, 2010 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oklahoma

Isn’t an awesome team. Seven times out of ten, Iowa would beat them (about). However, they return a very good amount of a team, which has about a zero percent chance of regressing. What is debatable is the amount of their progress. I would say that Oklahoma has very few games on its schedule this year that it necessarily has to lose. Texas may be a challenge, depending upon how that team gels, Florida State might be tricky if they actually live up to the hype, and Air Force hasn’t been a slouch the past few years. That said, there’s a lot of uncertainty on the schedule this year, and I don’t know enough about Stoops’ team to make specific judgments regarding games.

You see what I did there? Yeeeaaaaaahhhh.

by hkobb7 on Aug 21, 2010 11:32 PM CDT reply actions  

"Seven times out of ten, Iowa would beat them (about)."

Completely disagree. Maybe last year, but that was just about the most disastrous season possible—complete with Sam Bradford getting his season wrecked and 42 total starts missed to injury (thanks Phil Steele!)—and they still won eight games, usually in dominant fashion.

They’ve got a ton of guys coming into their second season of play, eight returning starters on offense, and talent everywhere. There IS a reason they’re ranked highly, and it’s not sportswriters doing less research than the common fan (which, considering the types of anti-OU comments in this thread, seems impossible).

Ceci n'est pas un blogue.

by Adam Jacobi on Aug 22, 2010 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

I just hate Stoops' damn visor

For that alone, they deserve to never be ranked hire than 15th. And Norman sucks, so dock two points. They’re named after people who broke the law for land, dock another 2. So 19th is their ceiling. What? I don’t care who they have on the field.

by PackerHawk on Aug 22, 2010 4:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

I just hate Stoops...

but he’s jumped the shark so I am cool with him now. OU is a perennial underachiever at this point. God…if Ferentz had that talent year in and year out he might win bowl games 100 to zero.

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Aug 22, 2010 7:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

You mean 35-7

Since they wouldn’t play Minnesota in a bowl game, there’s no way Kirk hangs that much on an opponent. He’d have Norm at MLB and KOK throwing to Soup before it got to 100-0.

by PackerHawk on Aug 22, 2010 11:28 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Good point

for OU to lose to USC 550-7 (or whatever it was) in the national championship game in 2004 when they were favored was….sad.

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Aug 22, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

But not nearly as sad as Auburn's schedule that year

Which was sad in the pathetic sense. There was a reason that the Tigers got snubbed, and they deserved it.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Aug 23, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

While I agree that they aren't a bad team

You can play the same card to any team, including our favorite squad. If Stanzi doesn’t go down against jNW, we probably win that game and who knows what against the Buckeyes. So we should be, what, #2 in the rankings because we lost Stanzi in the jNW game and his start the next week? Of course not.

OU won eight games last year, have a shot to win the Big 12 South with a weakened Texas and could possibly be a top ten team this year. I say to have them prove it on the field first before crowning their ass

"I know you're from Middle America, and sometimes you feel like you're representing more than just a school or a conference, maybe an entire group of American citizens out there."

by Twin Cities Hawk on Aug 22, 2010 7:52 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Oklahoma is a perceived powerhouse

but the outcomes suggest otherwise. These are all outright losses ATS in the past three years. The “public” believed that OU was the clear favorite to win these games:
2009
BYU (-18)
TTU (-8)
Nebraska (-5)

2008
Texas (-.5)
Favored in every gaem but the Florida game this year.

2007
Colorado (-28)
TTU (-9)
WVU (-2 ) got smoked in this bowl game…

Bowl record in Stoops era: 5 wins, 6 losses (favored in all but two I believe)

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Aug 22, 2010 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Big Game Bob

The least deserved moniker in recent memory. If he’d lost that first MNC game or not owned Texas for a while, nobody would respect him in big games.

2007 Colorado loss provided me my favorite sad fan shot of all time. As a Buffs fan, seeing a little kid crying after the game winning field goal just feels good. I know, I’m an evil bastard.

by PackerHawk on Aug 22, 2010 11:31 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

He's a very good recruiter...

and was a very good coach. But he will have to win some big games in the near future to disprove that he “can’t win big games.”

Certainly, he’s not in danger of being fired. But if he coached at OU for 20 to 25 years, and “only” won one national title, I think many people would wonder why.

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Aug 22, 2010 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry my comment wasn't clear

It’s Sunday, I don’t want to think until tomorrow. I was talking about last year’s Oklahoma, in the context that because they return so much talent, all they need to do is improve. Even, then, I might have blown up that figure a little a lot some. I blame the day of the week, the weather, my uncle’s hairline, and Carson Daly.

You see what I did there? Yeeeaaaaaahhhh.

by hkobb7 on Aug 22, 2010 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Carson... who?

Oh, that guy who hung out with that dead guy… what’s his name? Durst, Fred Durst… what? He’s not dead? They’re both not dead?
Really?

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 23, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

They're not dead

but their careers are.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Aug 23, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

I call B.S...

On the Stoops hate.

Some day Kirk will no longer coach this team. What if Stoops expressed interest in the job?

Would we dismiss his interest so casually?

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

by Blackheartnopants on Aug 22, 2010 2:21 PM CDT reply actions  

No

But if you want to use that argument, we can’t hate on any coach who’s been more successful than Ferentz. The problem is that I don’t think Stoops, Meyer, Brown, etc would express interest here unless they had tanked their programs to the point of disaster. And I’m not sure how well any of them do here without the recruiting advantages they enjoy in their current jobs.

by PackerHawk on Aug 22, 2010 2:28 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Those are fair points...

The only reason I bring it up is because Stoops is family.

I think Stoops will retire as a Sooner, but it is not out of the realm of possibility that he could coach in Iowa City again.

I’m not holding out for that, BTW. Kirk’s got this program headed in a direction he likes. The next few (at the very least) seasons will be fun.

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

by Blackheartnopants on Aug 22, 2010 2:37 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't see Bob Stoops coming to IC to coach...

but maybe Mark or Mike.

I think most high-profile coaches would want no part of following Ferentz. And yes, our recruiting limitations would also be problematic.

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Aug 22, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'm late on reading this, but the dicks that are running

http://sports.ap.org/college-football/

still have efffin joePa update for the Hawkeyes. did anyone not related to the University ask them that unless joePa has moved to Iowa City, we care not about or that cheater bobby bowden are up to this summer.

this place smells like feet. i’ll bring a can of lysol next week.

by pfac51 on Aug 22, 2010 3:46 PM CDT reply actions  

There is strong sentiment

Among Boise State fans that scheduling Virginia Tech was a “mistake” since BJC could potentially lose that game and have nothing to gain by beating Virginia Tech.

Unfuckingbelievable.

This is the same fan base that continues to complain about the “hostile environment” at the Kibbie Fome (home of the Idaho Vandals). Please note that the Kibbie Dome holds a maximum of 16,000 and is the smallest stadium in the FBS.

The lack of perspective out here is shocking.

And I’m not sure that a lot of folks have any sense for how truly wretched BJC’s competition really is. Utah State? New Mexico State? Idaho? San Jose State? Holy shit, these teams are brutal. There is just no way that I’d put Boise State, which itself looks completely ordinary to me, anywhere near the top ten or a BCS game if that’s their path. The Purdue discussion is eerily on point.

They can’t do anything about it? Too bad. Life’s rough.

"I will go to Germany and then play in a couple of AAU Tournaments like Peach Jam and Boo Williams." - Junior Lomomba

by Ornery Woody on Aug 22, 2010 7:57 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

They can do something

They’re doing all they can to harden their schedule, and that’s fine. In the meantime, I think it’s a mistake to make them a part of the national championship discussion on the basis of conjecture over how good they’d be if they actually played anybody.

Look at the 10 BCS teams last year and their schedule strength.

Alabama (2nd toughest schedule – .632)
Oregon (5th toughest – .608)
Florida (6th toughest – .606)
Iowa (9th toughest – .595)
Texas (14th toughest – .580)
LSU (23rd toughest – .568)
OSU (24th toughest – .566)
TCU (26th toughest – .560)
GA Tech (31st toughest- .554)
Boise State (81st toughest !!!!!! — .489).

The creamiest of creampuff schedules. Look at them compared to ANYBODY else in the BCS. “But they beat TCU!” Congratulations, you won a game by a touchdown, that’s worth considering, and I think it shows that BSU is a good team and can play competitively against teams from better conferences. That doesn’t make them #3.

They had the #1 scoring offense last year. Against who?

Miami (OH) – defense rank 108th
Fresno State – defense 84th
Bowling Green – defense 76th
Cal Davis … don’t even ask
Tulsa – 77th
Hawaii – 92nd
San Jose – 109th!
Idaho – 115th
Utah State – 107th
Nevada – 88th
New Mexico State – 101st
 
The best defense they faced all year was Oregon’s and they finished 52nd in the country. This was enough to put them a BCS game, and they eeked out a one-touchdown victory, and that with the benefit of three interceptions in their favor. This is the #3 team in the nation?

Please.

They’re not a bad team. They ought to be ranked. Football is a fickle game, even a solid team can get unseated by an inferior squad (see: Ohio State v. Purdue, Iowa v. Northwestern) on a given week. So going undefeated can’t be overlooked.
 
But any honest breakdown of BSU’s schedule and performance last year cannot justify a #3 ranking this year. “But they DESTROYED Oregon!” Great, so you win one game and roll through some glorified high school JV squads and scratch out a one-score win that requires 3 interceptions and a fake punt to pull off, and you’re #3?
 
That dog won’t hunt, monsignor.

by hawkeyeinstl on Aug 22, 2010 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm pretty sure that

Iowa State could beat TCU once. I think Boise is the perfect BCS format team. They would not be a good playoff team. They are not a Butler. They play a high risk high reward style of football. They have been a high wire act. I give them loads of credit for the way they have “burst” on to the scene.

- Blue Turf
- Big upsets on big stages (Bowl game, first game of season on national TV)
- Trick plays at moments most coaches would never use them (ala Bowden when he was pulling FSU into mainstream)

They understand, almost better than anyone, that college football is impression management. They get media attention and then they milk it. To their credit. But I think it was said best by another poster above…Purdue could have gone undefeated with their schedule last year.

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Aug 23, 2010 6:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's the thing about Oregon.

Holding them up as an example of Boise State’s ability to beat quality teams drives me crazy. Yes, Oregon played in the Rose Bowl last year. And in so doing they managed to elevate Terrell Pryor from arm punter to the preseason B10 POY and many pundits’ favorite for the Heisman.

The fact is that Oregon ended up on top of a mediocre Pac-10 last year. Watching them play Oregon State last year really underscored how poor their defense actually is. Their tackling was extremely poor but they could get away with it because no one else in the conference was any better.

by Abbas_Cincinnatus on Aug 23, 2010 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

As Abbas points out...

…that Oregon team wasn’t that great. Also, did anyone else WATCH that Oregon game with BSU? Oregon didn’t get a first down until half way through the third quarter. No first downs… until almost half of the third quater was gone!
Do you know how that happens? It isn’t defense. Our defense could play out of their minds, but just about every team is gonna have a first down before halftime. That’s football. Oregon didn’t have a first down until the second half because they didn’t show up to play. Period. They overlooked the blue ponies and had the worst night of their season. That’s not a comment about BSU, but ANYONE could have beat Oregon witht he way they played that night. UNI would have destroyed them playing like they did against us.

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 23, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agree, agree, agree, agr--dammit, look what you did

I’m not so sure about UNI. They didn’t do that well last year. Now, that No. 2 UNI team from a few years back? Hell yeah. They’d win in wonderful fashion against Boise State from last year.

You see what I did there? Yeeeaaaaaahhhh.

by hkobb7 on Aug 23, 2010 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

They pulled out of playing Nebraska

by making completely outrageous demands. I believe Nebraska offered them a 2-for-1 deal (2 games in Lincoln, 1 in Boise) plus some money. Boise wanted a home-and-home only PLUS $1M payout. Basically, Boise makes offers that no one would accept, then complains that none of the “big boys” are willing to play them.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Aug 23, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Isn't it a shame that nobody has mentioned this until now?

"The possibility of physical and mental collapse is now very real. No sympathy for the Devil, keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride!" HST

by Dip-Shit on Aug 23, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

This.

Thank you for the information because I have heard for a long time that they had been doing everything in their power to strengthen their schedule…the way I heard it they were offering to play schools with no home game in return. I heard their AD bitching on National TV about how no one would play them and wondered why? This would seem to explain it.

by HawKCP on Aug 23, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

The exact details

may be different from how I relayed them, but the point remains: Nebraska was willing to do a deal of some sort with Boise State: either a 2-for-1 or a one-off with $$$ and Boise demanded something ridiculous which had the effect of tanking the deal

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Aug 23, 2010 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh wait

I put in LSU instead of Cincinnati. So swap out LSU with Cinci at 32nd toughest (.554). Changes nothing.

by hawkeyeinstl on Aug 22, 2010 11:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Floribama love

Still doesn’t make sense to me in the polls. ‘Bama has to replace 9 (or 10 depending on how you count it) starters on defense, which is 3/2 of their defense under the new mgomath. Florida has to replace 10 starters overall, including the Chosen One. Saban has a reputation as a defensive genius so maybe the dropoff won’t be so steep for Alabama, but we’ve seen this exact same movie with Florida before, it was called 2007. A lot seems of the love seems to hang on the fact that both are expected to make the SEC title game again, that’s more an indictment of how weak the SEC (especially the East) is through the middle that no other team is seen as a legitimate threat to the top two teams. But remember, the SEC is the best, toughest, deepest conference in all the land!

Was watching College Football Live while I typed this, Jesse Palmer thinks PSU, at #19, was ranked way too high and didn’t deserve to be in the Top 25 for many of the same reasons one could point to Florida with (and he of course had no problem with the Gators ranking) and he thought Nebraska was ranked “way to low”. God he’s a douche-nozzle.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Aug 23, 2010 2:42 PM CDT reply actions  

It doesn't bother me all that much, honestly.

I think most of the people that have their heads screwed on straight about this season recognize that the top 10-15 teams all have open questions going into the season but also have some very strong points that could lead them to the MNC. In the absence of a clear #1, I don’t have an issue with ’Bama starting there, since they won the title last year and return a ton of offensive talent.

By mid-October there will be a thinning out of that top 10-15. In the first six weeks of the season Texas plays Nebraska and OU, tOSU and Miami play, ’Bama plays Penn State and Florida and Boise and VT will have met. By that point it should be clearer who actually belongs at the top and things should start to sort themselves out.

by Abbas_Cincinnatus on Aug 24, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

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