INPIYL2I: ESPN Hops On Iowa's Bandwagon
by Adam Jacobi on Aug 18, 2010 7:30 AM CDT
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Here we go, and not in the fun Bud Light campaign sort of way: Okay, first thing's first: despite Iowa being ranked behind Ohio State in about 80-90% of projections for the upcoming season, ESPN asked one reporter to rank the teams in their likelihood to actually survive until the BCS Championship Game, and this is what happened:
1. Iowa The nonconference schedule is manageable, with the toughie being a road game at Arizona. The Hawkeyes get Penn State, Wisconsin and Ohio State at home. With 14 starters returning, that is quite a nice trifecta.
Just to reiterate: that's an ESPN writer tabbing Iowa as the team with the best shot at the NCAA championship game. NO PRESSURE OR ANYTHING.
The focus on the schedule, however, seems a little misguided; after all, Iowa misses Illinois and Purdue, both of whom suck this season. Further, Iowa only lost by 42 the last time Ferentz went out to Arizona for a September road game, and there's nothing to suggest that Iowa has a talent advantage at any matchup between the Hawkeyes and Buckeyes except maybe Iowa's secondary and Ohio State's receivers--and even that's debatable.
Iowa could beat Ohio State en route to running the table, and it wouldn't be all that unreasonable. But it would be unreasonable, especially since the task of blocking Cameron Heyward is going to fall on Julian Vandervelde, Adam Gettis, and the winner of the center battle between Josh Koeppel and Ferentz. Or, in other words, two guys who couldn't hold onto starting spots on the offensive line last season and two short guys who are barely pushing 275. And that's just one matchup where OSU holds an advantage.
We realize that a team like Iowa, who registered some rather anemic numbers on offense but still decisively won a BCS game last season, is going to engender some very divergent opinions and predictions for this season. Brian Cook seems to think Ricky Stanzi will regress in fourth quarter situations, which is both unlikely but also more likely than you think (mainly because 95% of Iowa fans reading this are thinking "CAN'T HAPPEN CAN'T HAPPEN" right now). But at the same time, if there's a ton of room for improvement on offense--name a statistic, Iowa's offense sucked at it last season--and the defense looks to be every bit as strong as last season, well, shouldn't an 11-2 team be setting goals that start at another double-digit win season?
But isn't every disease he suffered automatically "Lou Gehrig's Disease," or are we missing the point?: News from the New York Times indicates some uncertainty that the disease that felled Lou Gehrig so quickly was actually amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, or Lou Gehrig's Disease. The source of the uncertainty? Chronic Traumatic Encephelopathy, who you may remember from the brain of Chris Henry and most other dead football players, and the immediate symptoms of which Gehrig likely ignored several times during his record-setting streak of games played in baseball.
The reason we're mentioning this study here is the likely cause of Gehrig's (supposed) brain damage. While he took just a few shots to the head as a New York Yankee, he was also a very accomplished football player at Columbia, where he played--surprise!--running back, before WW2 when nobody really gave much of a shit about mental health.
While we won't paint this subject with the eye-rollingly blunt brush that Deadspin gave it, it's worth noting that even as soon as 60 years ago, concussion research was primitive at best, and Gehrig's swift descent toward death provides ample (but not conclusive) evidence against a diagnosis of ALS. And to make matters more complicated, if the story of Lou Gehrig is influenced by unusual brain injury--in an era without helmets--does that new information actually dissuade anybody from letting their children play sports? Should it? Serious questions.
SHORT SALEZ
The University of Iowa is tied for 72nd in the nation in the 2011 US News and World Report college rankings. That puts Iowa at 9th in the Big Ten and 29th among all public universities. None of these rankings are surprising, except when you consider that Iowa's bedfellows at no. 72 are California-Santa Cruz (Banana Slugs) and the Colorado School of Mines (Orediggers). You can probably make your own dirty joke from there.
Michigan's secondary took yet another hit yesterday when Troy Woolfolk suffered a severe ankle injury and, according to his father, will miss at least the next season with a dislocated ankle, a broken fibula, and ligament damage. To say his injury is awful is to understate the obvious, and to celebrate its occurrence is to engage in psychopathy. May he recover swiftly.
The Register is taking a poll of Iowa's best throwback helmets. We disagree with the popular choice, but that's just like, our opinion, man.
As if on cue, Scott Dochtermann puts an interview with Keenan Davis on YouTube. Thank you, Scott Dochtermann and Keenan Davis.
And finally, Vitamin Water and Gary Busey command you to remember the Alamo, butthorn!
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Yep.
"All of this has happened before. All of this will happen again."
by Bucketochicken on Aug 18, 2010 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah.
I reckon the “with wings” option is so popular 1) because it’s novel, and 2) because it’s the only one that matches the current color scheme we all consciously/subconsciously hold dear.
by Third Generation Hawk on Aug 18, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
It also looks like
a high school’s helmet. You would think that would weigh against it.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
With high schools copying colleges and pro teams
you could say any helmet looks like a high school helmet. Make the current Iowa ones red and white, bam! City High. Green and white? Greendale, WI. etc.
I've noticed
that a lot of high schools use the Tigerhawk for their hawk derivative. This isn’t surprising in Iowa, of course, but I’ve seen instances of it on schools in Michigan and Texas amongst others. Say what you will about the Tigerhawk, it has some national cachet.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
You see, it's the Tigerhawk
But more EXXXTREME!!! Because that’s what the kids are doing these days, Xtreme sports and energy drinks. It’s marketing genius!
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
There's at least one poster here who likes the crackhawk.
But there are also posters here who liked the winged jerseys.
I suspect they were all dropped on their heads as babies.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
/Chazz’d
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Aug 18, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Aug 18, 2010 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions
That "yep" was to McCan't...
and not to Ross’s “you were dropped on your head.”
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Aug 18, 2010 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Which kind of serves
as evidence to support what Ross was saying.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Aug 19, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I remember when the winged jerseys were unveiled
it was a preseason preview show on KCRG or KGAN, the highlight of which would be the unveiling of the new uniforms at the end. I was in high school at the time, watching at home with my parents. When they were unveiled, my mother’s reaction was “Those are fucking ugly”. Only time my mom has ever dropped an f-bomb in front of me.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I wonder if the copyright has expired?
Because Wisconsin just slapped cease and desist orders on all high schools using the “Motion W” last year.
The Tigerhawk is a pretty good logo, much better than any other bird logo that goes the more literal route.
The tigerhawk is trademarked.
And the university protects it fairly zealously. They may not out and out sue high schools that use the tigerhawk, but if they’re aware of those schools, they’ve probably got some sort of arrangement, even if it’s only for a nominal fee. If they didn’t defend it, they would lose their trademark, which would mean anyone could slap a tigerhawk on something and sell it or use it as a logo.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
They got a cease and desist on in
for a junior high in my home town if that tells you anything about how much they care.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Aug 18, 2010 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, or that approach.
I think they try to avoid that at times given the bad P.R. that it can engender (“why’s this big rich university pickin’ on this little high school?!”), but they also probably don’t want to let anyone who wants it use it, either. There’s no sense in running the risk of the mark being deemed generic.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
That was not a popular move
given the number of kids from my town who end up at Iowa.
Nothing like pissing off people who send over 100 kids a year with out-of-state tuition.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Aug 18, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah.
I’m a little surprised they didn’t cut them a deal of some sort, frankly. At least around the midwest, I’d think Iowa would want as much good P.R. as possible.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I think there was also...
a high school in Montana who had to stop using the TigerHawk, via threatened lawsuit or something.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Aug 18, 2010 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Chaska High School,
a suburb of the Twin Cities, was told to stop using the logo about five years ago.
"The possibility of physical and mental collapse is now very real. No sympathy for the Devil, keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride!" HST
My thoughts exactly.
Why would a rival state allow that anyways?
"The possibility of physical and mental collapse is now very real. No sympathy for the Devil, keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride!" HST
"it has some national cachet"
Don’t forget Korea.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 18, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Except the Tigerhawk is a trademark
And Southern Mississippi(?) Hawks tried to steal it from us until Hayden Fry completely denied them. I think it’s technically illegal for a high school to steal it. I know Williamsburg and Washington had to change their ‘Big W’ logos because it mimicked exactly Wisconsin’s logo.
"There is nothing better than being American. If you don't love it, leave it. U.S.A. #1"- Ricky Stanzi, America's Quarterback
Absolutely.
Are people really voting for the bird?
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Aug 18, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
I did.
Although I agree that if they flipped the colors on the script Iowa helmet (black helmet, yellow script), I’d probably vote for that one.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Totally.
Going, going, going, going, going, going, going, going.... Alright, I'll stop for now.
by EnergizerHawk on Aug 18, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Completely agree
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on Aug 18, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Of course
Everybody knows that the bird is the word.
by Yinka Double Dare on Aug 18, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
That is actually my least favorite song of all time.
I believe that it is on continuous loop in Hell.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Aug 18, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
+4
Because I am bored
"The possibility of physical and mental collapse is now very real. No sympathy for the Devil, keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride!" HST
+1
The average of all points.
(-2 + -1 + 3 + 4)/4 = 1
Good job.
Going, going, going, going, going, going, going, going.... Alright, I'll stop for now.
by EnergizerHawk on Aug 19, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
That song was the bane of my existance.
I worked in an office in Cedar Rapids that played different radio stations in the overhead speakers. I was there when 102.9 was playing that song three times an hour. I remain convinced that Avril Levigne’s pop stardom is a sign of the fall of Western Civilization.
by Abbas_Cincinnatus on Aug 18, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I would gladly listen to both of those songs because,
like most pop, it’s catchy yet disposable i.e. I can purge it from my brain with a little time.
Surfin’ Bird, however, sounds like it would fit in just fine as a torture device at Guantanamo. Instantly obnoxious and not redeemed by any real melodic qualities, in some ways it’s very punk (especially given its era)…in most ways it’s just unbearable.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Aug 18, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Also, the second I played it on YouTube
my kids started to cry.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Aug 18, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I really, really
really, really, really, REALLY hate that episode of Family Guy.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
How much of it has to do with that song?
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Aug 18, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I rest my case.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Aug 18, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I love that episode, because of how annoying it is
But the Shapoopie dance from the football episode is the best moment of all Family Guy episodes
Because it's the only episode
with a direct link to an Iowa alumni/writer of our fight song.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Aug 18, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Really?
Tell me more.
Just kidding Adam, I’ll Google it. (God I detest Google.)
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 18, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Just like the winged Iowa jerseys...
I find that Surfin’ Bird song strangely fun.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Aug 18, 2010 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Do you often stop suddenly while walking
to pick up/look at shiny things?
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Aug 19, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
If you want to buy one
You can get miniature 6" thowback helmets here for about $35 shipped:
Simple “I”
And of course, our modern-day tigerhawk.
I have the current one and the hawk sitting on my desk at work. Get complements all the time, along with a bunch of “what team is that?”
by KinnickNorthHawk on Aug 18, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
You can get full sized ones at Scheel's for just under $200...
…and the inside of the helmet even has the authentic suspension system for each time period… but they just have stickers on the sides. They aren’t actually painted, which makes them lame.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 18, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
A bit too nice for work
At $200, it’s too risky to bring to work. I work at a nice place, but at the same time, I would HATE to have $200 walk off one night. At $35, yeah I’d be pissed, but I’d get over it.
For the home, sure. Maybe complete with autographs from a Rose Bowl team? I think I’d go with the current tiger-hawk full size helmet for that though.
Also- REALLY? It’s $200 and has stickers? Lame…
by KinnickNorthHawk on Aug 18, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Words
just dont belong on a helmet IMO. I feel they crowd the helmet too much to look good. And honestly, I dont think i could ever bring myself to vote for a yellow helmet when it isnt the dominant color. Plus Ive always had a soft spot for that hawk
Another problem with the script?
It’s a little too justNorthwesterny from the same era. See here for everyone’s historic helmets.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
That's a cool site.
I actually kinda enjoy the Wisconsin “W” and the Indiana “IU” logo thingies at the front of the helmet directly above the facemask (both old school, and different—they don’t look “cool” per se, but they’re interesting to me).
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 18, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me
by BStylin Hawkye on Aug 18, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Aside from 1939 and that short period in the late 50's,
why would any Iowa fan want to look back prior to 1980? Personally, I don’t sit around reminiscing about the Burt Ingwersen years or the awesome teams of Frank Lauterbur. There were a few seasons of note but it seems that the vast majority of Iowa’s memorable seasons have occurred since Fry introduced the current helmet design.
the trailer hitch scrotum was my idea
Here's the thing
The script looks cool on the graphic, but if you’ve ever seen actual pictures from the era that show the helmet, it looks rather lame. It’s a great idea – and seemed to be an Iowa branding thing like MSU last year because I remember the bball team having similar uniforms for a long time in the early 80s – that kind of fails on execution.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
@ Kluginator
It’s all about nostalgia. People remember those times because they were young, or they went with family, or they were in college. They don’t remember it for the football.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Aug 18, 2010 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions
MGoBlog
I don’t wish injury on anybody (well players, Brewster in a cast would be funny), but the reactions on MGoBlog are quite humorous. There seem to be two memes over there: we’re fucked and we’re Michigan. I really don’t get the “we’re Michigan” one. They seem to think that it’s still pre-RichRod over there. I think that the 3-3-5 is doomed now (not like it was ever going to be great), but is there any way they don’t have one of the worst defenses in the conference now?
by PackerHawk on Aug 18, 2010 8:29 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Personally
I see them giving up at least 35 points per game, maybe more. Their offense is going to have to score a shit load of points again this season. I don’t see them winning more than six games this season.
"The possibility of physical and mental collapse is now very real. No sympathy for the Devil, keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride!" HST
Wow
It appears they have an angry defensive back hating god. Ankle injuries like that are not easily overcome. Best of luck on his recovery.
"I am a great believer in luck, and I find the harder I work the more I have of it."
–Thomas Jefferson, U. S. President (1801–1809), as quoted in Richard Templar, The Rules of Management (Prentice Hall, 2005), p. 112
by The Bacon Explosion on Aug 18, 2010 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions
The "we're Michigan" ones are in the first stage of the grieving process
To not be able to admit that losing the one corner you could actually expect to be average to above average, while the replacements are true freshmen and other guys with no experience, is denial of the highest order. Woolfolk wasn’t the best player on the defense coming in but he was the one they could least afford to lose. Cullen Christian had better be a good one, and quickly.
by Yinka Double Dare on Aug 18, 2010 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions
And the posters who are losing it are talking about trying to convert a WR
I’d imagine Stonum will think about this at some point when Tarp covers him on a crossing route. Maybe he’d rather be a CB.
Has this chaged the reaction on the CB who left last week?
At the time, Michigan fans seemed to be of the opinion that it didn’t matter, he wasn’t likely to see the field anyway. Some of it seemed like they were trying too hard to convince themselves that Floyd? wasn’t all that he was hyped to be and Michigan would be just fine. Has Woolfork’s injury had any change on that perception?
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
@PackerHawk
That is why nobody can play football anymore. Hard hits=head injuries=CTE=horrible death.
/super-sarcasm’d
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Aug 18, 2010 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions
This is counter intuative but now I am even more worried about Michigan.
They are a train wreck but I can see Iowa getting tangled in the flotsam and jetsam.
the trailer hitch scrotum was my idea
No Perspective
They’ve lost their sense of humor and any perspective that they might have had. It was a wing and a prayer to have anything resembling a competent defense this year (regardless of how they deluded themselves into thinking that they defense would improve despite losing its best players); losing Woolfolk and Turner (to a lesser degree) just eliminates that slim possibility. Yet, somehow, they are now panicked. They really should just accept that the defense probably would have sucked this year anyway, and now that’s a certainty. Just accept, have a laugh, and say “when it rains, it pours”. Getting pissed and suicidal is not only stupid, but shows just how little objectivity they initially had. I mean, what else can you do? Laugh, and have some more scotch. At least it will take the edge off.
by The Iron Colonel on Aug 18, 2010 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Delusional is a bad starting point...
…but add disappointed to delusional, and well…
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 18, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
I admit it, I'm on the bandwagon (sponsored by SMA).
I don’t understand why we should expect anything less than a Big Televen title this year. I also don’t understand why we’re shying away from the publicity that we’re getting that says we’re a legitimate (and possibly the MOST legitimate) contender for the MNC.
The offense has some big question marks. The only thing that is clear is that we have experience at the skill positions. But the thing is that every other team in the national title hunt has question marks. So many of the national media outlets have said they think Alabama is a placeholder at #1 just because there’s no other team that is clearly better than they are at the start of the year. So while Iowa has question marks I think people are really underplaying the schedule and its role in getting to the MNC game.
It isn’t just because the other contenders come to Kinnick but because of how the schedule progresses. Ferentz’s teams are dynamic. They get better as the season progresses. So not only does the schedule set up well in terms of home and away, but WHEN we play teams is in Iowa’s favor as well.
A lot of people are concerned with the Arizona game. I am too. But using a six year-old ASU game, which was the second road start for a young Drew Tate, as evidence that this Arizona game will end likewise seems unfair.
In 2003 Iowa won exactly one game outside of the state of Iowa (at Wisconsin in the season finale). Last year, Iowa played its best ball exclusively on the road, saving most of its drama for the confines of legendary Kinnick Stadium. Programs progress. Trends change.
For this season the most difficult challenge happens in the second-to-last game of the year. That gives us ten games to define ourselves, figure out answers to our questions and give ourselves the best opportunity to win. Worrying about whether Gettis can block Heyward in November seems premature. It might not be Gettis playing in that game.
And most importantly, we don’t play Illinois or Purdue. We play all of the other conference contenders. We don’t dodge anyone and we have a tough intersectional road game against the dark horse in another BCS conference. This plays in our favor for the MNC game too. If Iowa can run the table this season there will not be any arguments of “they missed X team”. The resume will be strong and the team will be tested.
I don’t know if this team can win twelve straight games against this schedule. We’ll know more in about 18 days. But if our questions get answered and this team plays to its capability I think Iowa has a very good chance to play in the MNC this year. Let’s not shy away from that.
by Abbas_Cincinnatus on Aug 18, 2010 8:39 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Labeling
Labeling theorists argue that the explicit, public attribution of any identity—but especially deviant identities—to individuals or groups by a community or social institution acts as a self-fulfilling prophecy. It amplifies the attributes associated with that identity of those so labeled and justifies their stigmatization by others. This approach treats identity as a process of interaction rather than as an objective property of behavior. So if you cannot see Iowa winning the whole enchilada, chances are they won’t win the whole enchilada. If you see them as winning the whole enchilada, chances are MUCH GREATER that they will win the whole enchilada. Tiger Wood has believed since he was a small child that he would overtake Nicklaus major haul, every other golfer on the planet believed that record was untouchable.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Belief is communal in other words
we are social beings.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
And here I thought that sociology class was a waste of time...
I actually knew what you were talking about there.
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Aug 18, 2010 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Sociology class is NEVER a waste of time
/TA’d
by PackerHawk on Aug 18, 2010 9:24 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
The one I took definitely was
/Drunk and disinterested freshman’d
by HawkeyeInExile on Aug 18, 2010 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions
This assumes that
the young men who actually strap on the pads identify with national domination. What I or any other BHGP poster thinks is still basically irrelevant to team success or failure.
the trailer hitch scrotum was my idea
What?
I though BHGP was the muse for all of Kirk’s good ideas.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Aug 18, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
If he stands up at a press conference
And says "it would seem the Angry Iowa Running Back Hating God has struck again" then we will know for sure…
I would keel over laughing if this ever happened!
It’d be even better if he did it in his trademark deadpan.
Going, going, going, going, going, going, going, going.... Alright, I'll stop for now.
by EnergizerHawk on Aug 18, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
I would give an infinite amount of internets for that to happen.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
You are going to extend that theory to fandom, though?
Sounds like magical thinking to me.
From a psych dictionary: “Magical thinking is he inaccurate belief that one’s thoughts, words, or actions will cause or prevent a specific outcome that does not demonstrate a realistic relationship between cause and effect.”
US News & World Report Rankings
are a joke among university presidents. But, the public/media are so enamored with them the Prez’s act publicly as though they are not, in fact, a joke. Bottom line, Iowa is good academically at most things, exceptional at some things and awful as some things. Buyer beware is always the case when selecting a college for grad or undergrad—but especially for grad.
You’re not going to MIT to get your bachelors in theatre arts (3 full-time faculty in that program…3)…or if you are, prepare for an utterly mediocre educational experience in an academic culture that will see you as a freak or wierdo.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
The problem being that President's can only hold out for so long
Against external pressures. Especially legislatures for public schools. Just look at the graduate education overhaul Provost Loh is attempting her (before he leaves for MD in November). Right now there is a perception that the current admin sees the way to increased prestige by brining the “East of the River” programs in line with TtoD seen in professional colleges on the West Side. In my opinion, the is a case of reactivity where the USNWR rankings will force a change in behavior and structure as they are a metric used by those outside of the University (public and elected officials).
Law Schools have been dealing with this for awhile and it’s pretty clear that the elite schools have modified behavior to enhance their rankings over the last few decades. Business Schools too. Wharton tried to shut out USNWR by not completing the survey in the mid-90s, but came around rather than risk a slip in prestige.
There is a strong aesthetic appeal in the commensuration of prestige, it’s a case where these publications that started as a way of making money are beginning to alter the organizational behavior of higher education. While those at or near the top can resist for longer, schools farther down the food chain cannot. Especially when they are underfunded public schools who need to show an “unbiased” third-party metric as a sign of progress when they go before a legislature.
by PackerHawk on Aug 18, 2010 9:15 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Law schools are OBSESSED with mainting/improving their rankings
Especially schools in the Top 14 and Top 25. To fall out of either will probably get a dean fired because of the overwhelming importance attached to rather meaningless rankings.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Welcome to Iowa Law Dean Agrawal!
Iowa’s last law school dean disregarded the rankings, and the school fell out of the top 25 (having broken the top 20 a few years earlier). She has just been replaced.
by Randy Oldgoat on Aug 19, 2010 6:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Still better than W&L's last dean
Came in with a radical/revolutionary idea on how to reform the third year. Over the objection of much of the faculty he basically forced it through. W&L then drops from the low to mid 20s (was usually tied with Iowa somewhere in the Top 25) to the mid 30s in one year. Having wrecked the school’s reputation he then doesn’t even stick around to see the thing through and immediately takes a position as the President of Furman Univ. Needless to say, faculty and alums are rather pissed.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Very True
And what’s crazy is that I don’t know how effective they are in terms of advertising. If you are going to school in-state, you probably are going to stay with friends from high school/go to your parents alma mater/go where you can afford it. If you are going to school out of state, you are probably looking at going to school in a part of the country (i.e. I’m tired of 24-inches-of-snow-in-a-day-winters and floods, I’m going to Cali), you are after a particular program (i.e. I want to study dentistry at Iowa), or you are going where you could get a scholarship/walk on.
I don’t know about you, but I wasn’t reading that stuff when I was applying for college. It only seems useful when making University marketing materials. Maybe my personal due diligence for college was less strenuous then others, but that is my experience.
As for Grad schools, I’m more likely to look at Vault rankings then USNWR ones. I think most schools have areas of strengths and weaknesses, and if you are serious about Grad School you are going to know that xyz school has a better medical/legal/business training and job placement record then others. If I get into both Iowa or Drake for law school, I should have a pretty good idea of what each school is better at.
Let's have playoffs instead.
USNWR publishes these lists in order to boost sales, and the rankings change so that people will buy what essentially amounts to the same article each year. These rankings stink, but the unfortunate reality is that in certain industries, USNWR rankings influence hiring decisions.
by Randy Oldgoat on Aug 18, 2010 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Presidents don't care, until the rankings fall...
Then they begin to care quite a bit. Sally Mason won’t care as long as the ranking stays close to where it is now. They are comfortable with being called a top 100/top 30 public school. However, if they dropped into Texas Tech territory (150+), there would be a big stink for sure.
On the athletics side of things, I would like to think that we could marry a fine academic institution with a competitive athletic program, without making a compromise. That’s my perfect scenario for my alma mater. The football program being good doesn’t really help the brand value of my degree in the job marketplace, but these rankings do. You don’t go to Stanford because they’ve got a mediocre football team. Berkely, Michigan, UNC, UCLA are good models for public U’s with competitive athletic teams.
by RodgersHasAHose on Aug 18, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
You mean like
Michigan, Florida, Texas and some others?
Whether it’s sports or academics, Iowa has a permanent disadvantage of being one of two major universities in a state with a small-ish population. Resources ($$$) are the big limiting factor. Football is making money, mens’ b-ball will be again soon, but the profit they turn is much smaller than the OSU’s of the world so our non-profit sports are going to have tighter budgets and likely fight each other for money every year. I’m just glad that Iowa’s athletic department actually pays for itself.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Agreed
Glad our athletic department is self-supporting.
On the school front, the state of Michigan is going through its own budget crunch and does not actually support UM as much as other state flagships. UM overcomes this by having an out-of-state tuition that is around $35K/yr UI’s is about $22K/yr.. Because they are so highly ranked, they get a lot of out-of-state applicants and enrollees to cover that gap. UM thinks at some point they may not need any state aid to support themselves. This is a way that rankings and prestige help a public university cover declining state aid streams. Iowa is beginning to see more out-of-state an international students, so they could be moving that way too.
#higher ed nerd talk
by RodgersHasAHose on Aug 18, 2010 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't kid yourself,
if a UI program or department moves up a spot on the USNWR ranking, they publicize it at every opportunity
the trailer hitch scrotum was my idea
I have been reviewing my posts to identify potentially exessive dickiness and
ranking them on the Harvard Dickishness scale. This post rated a 3 on the Harvard scale (“Hardick” scale for short). That is unacceptable so please let me rephrase below.
the trailer hitch scrotum was my idea
SMA you make a really good point
and 100% of University Presidents would publicly dismiss the USNWR rankings; however from my experience here at Iowa, this stuff is treated internally with greater importance than the public would be led to believe.
the trailer hitch scrotum was my idea
I know the law school had a shitfit a few years ago when their ranking dropped a few spots.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Rankings have little to do with
faculty hiring. Faculty are too smart for these things. It is not clear how important they are to enrollments, especially for State schools. They are very important for development (fundraising) because it is branding.
My point was to say that the rankings are useless in the real world of determining which college is best for you and the best use of your hard earned cash. But having worked in higher ed and dealt with families that referenced them with great importance, yeah, they drive more than they should on the college decision front.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
by StoopsMyAss on Aug 18, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, I agree with that.
Rankings certainly should have little bearing in college choice, especially at the undergrad level.
I was just pointing out that at it definitely matters to some folks — far more than it probably should. And for what it’s worth, part of the reason behind the shitfit was (supposedly) because they were worried that a dropping ranking actually WOULD impact faculty hiring/retention. Although I suspect that’s really because a dropping ranking may have a chilling effect on fundraising/grant acquisitions/etc — and those are the sort of things that might scare off faculty.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Plus, you know that
the President’s assistants are voting in one poll and that those voting in US News and World Report don’t stay up to watch all the classes on the West Coast. Those rankings should totally be done mid-semester to avoid bias.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Aug 18, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
As someone whose related to two MIT grads
I have to say that pretty much everyone there is a freak or a weirdo, haha
As someone who does to Drake Law School
Yeah, I don’t take university rankings too seriously.
A Voice From Kinnick - A Hawkeye Blog
Ha HA, third-tier law school.
/snobby law student’d
(Seriously, I don’t give a shit about tiers. I’ve met many very smart and capable lawyers who went to second or third tier law schools and knew many jackasses who went to first-tier law schools.)
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
On average the bar passage rate is higher for Drake and was much higher this year
Than it is for Iowa. At Drake they teach you how to be a lawyer. At Iowa they teach you to look off into the distance and wonder about why the law is the way it is.
A Voice From Kinnick - A Hawkeye Blog
I love the winged helmet choice in that poll.
But I can’t imagine them ever wearing it as a throwback, considering Iowa went 3-18-1 in the two years they wore it in the ’70s, though.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Andrea Adelson < Ivan Maisel
I read the ESPN article a few days ago and thought it was a nice indicator of Iowa’s rising stock with the media. Granted, Andrea Adelson is not Pat Forde, however we take our props where we can get them. The ESPN crew is pretty predictable, Forde gives us the bare minimum respect, Schlabach openly campaigns against us, Maisel gives us some pretty good ink from time to time and apparently Andrea Adelson is squarely in our corner. Maybe Andrea will stay in our corner this season and be vindicated with a BCS title run. Sure, Erin Andrews has her plush sideline barbie gig, complete with stalkers. Andrea could have Hawkeye Nation and if we win a BCS title, I will take a hit for the team and stalk her, post nude video of her on the interwebs so that damn Erin Andrews doesn’t feel so special.
by BobCommingStain on Aug 18, 2010 9:06 AM CDT reply actions
Maybe Andrea Adelson:2010::Holly Rowe:2002?
by Abbas_Cincinnatus on Aug 18, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions
I have a problem with the list...
They have three big ten teams in the top 10… Its a pretty safe assumption that only one Big Ten team is going to the NC game, Shouldn’t the presence of the other two teams lower Iowa’s chances considerably? Oregon, the other team on the list is the only Pac 10 team mentioned…
Pat Forde
can suck a bag of dicks. Schlabach can handle any he misses.
/that is all
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on Aug 18, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The good thing about Pat Forde
is that he’ll tell you the best place in [generic college town] to suck that bag of dicks.
/dash’d
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Aug 18, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Was Adelson the one who was secretly videotaped naked in her hotel?
the trailer hitch scrotum was my idea
That was an awful lot of Gary Busey before noon.
I’m going to go do some blow and listen to Buddy Holly now.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
So...
…just another day in the McCann’t tenement/flop-house?
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 18, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Except with 100% more
Dora The Explorer on the TV than the Busey household.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Aug 18, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
It may actually make sense to him.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Aug 19, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
I’ve already had several beers today and I decided not to go drive by the dorms and plow into all the students moving back in as a Busey tribute.
PS – I work third shift, so it’s almost bar time for me.
Me, too.
I always rationalize that it’s OK for me to have had three beers by noon since I’ve been awake since midnight.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Aug 18, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Yup!
Awake since 9pm, means I can be on beer three by 9.
I’m also training for tailgating by starting my liquor consumption at 7am
I am actually halfway through a stein of
last week’s YFDI choice.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Aug 18, 2010 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Nice shameless self-promotion
I thought about it today at Hy-Vee, but decided on the less expensive bottle of Franziskaner Dunkel Hefe. Moving on to the regular Franziskaner Hefe now.
Jinx!
Something, something, crack rock, something?
Going, going, going, going, going, going, going, going.... Alright, I'll stop for now.
by EnergizerHawk on Aug 18, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Mmmm. Dunkelweizen.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Aug 18, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Shameless self-promotion?
Really?
Going, going, going, going, going, going, going, going.... Alright, I'll stop for now.
by EnergizerHawk on Aug 18, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Where is arular when you need him?
And shameless implies I posses the ability to feel shame. I am on this site, no?
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Aug 18, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
He shouldn't feel shame...
…it’s perfectly normal and healthy so long as he does it in the privacy of his own home and cleans up after himself.
However, too much self-promotion will turn your palms hairy and make you go blind.
Wait, what?
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 18, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If you change your mind...
…you could just say you did it for Dio.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 18, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Gary Busey
is crazier than a shit-house rat and I love it. But what the hell is wrong with his face, terrifying…
Probably the after-effects of reconstructive surgery
Back in ’88, Busey crashed his motorcycle without wearing a helmet and damn near killed himself. Severe skull/brain injuries.
His persona, though, is probably back to being all cocaine and zero head wound these days.
Ceci n'est pas un blogue.
On the subject of high schools using logos...
http://www.mghelmets.com/Iowa.html
Take a look at Newton (Arizona Cardinal), DSM North and West Bend-Mallard (Michigan Wings), Valley (Virgina V), Urbandale (Miami U), CR Kennedy and Humboldt (Kansas State Wildcat), Waterloo West (Barley getting by with a Wisky Flying W), Dubuque Senior (Colorado State/St. Louis Ram horns), Goose Lake (jNW “block N”), Southern Cal (SMU Ford Mustang logo), Dallas Center-Grimes (Indy Colts horseshoe), Decorah-North Winneshiek (Minn Vikings horns), Gilbert Tigers (Georgia and Green Bay “G”), Preston (uses Sparty’s Sparty instead of USC’s Trojan).
Also look at the Estherville-Lincoln Central Midgets. The Midgets. Just throwing that out there. And Waukon and Muscatine use the same damn design. I find odd things.
Also related, a couple years ago in my home town of Davenport, West High got a call from Wisky telling them to stop using the “Flying W”. And when I was a youngin, Davenport North got a cease and desist from Kansas State for using the Wildcat logo. Luckily, is folks from Davenport Central uses (and has trademarked) a much more badass Blue Devil than Duke ever will.
In heaven there is no beer. This isn't heaven, it's Iowa.
That's a pretty cool site
Found what I was thinking of in my post above about high schools using the Tigerhawk. Seems like at least one of our commits was fated to play for Iowa even though he’s from Michigan: he plays for the Red Hawks, and if you look closely at the pic, the logo looks familiar.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
A few notes on Iowa/OSU
I would give Iowa’s d-line the advantage over OSU’s o-line. Yes, they have a couple studs, but so do we. Also, Heyward is a DE, not DT, so Reiff or Zusevics (hopefully Reiff), will be in charge of blocking him.
ALS/ brain trauma
any one else go read the NY Times article that talks about the research suggesting this link???? (link in initial article)
Apparently it is based on findings from 3 autopsies of athletes diagnosed w/ ALS who were found to have autopsy evidence of post-traumatic encephalopathy. One of the athletes was Wally Hilgenberg, a former Hawk!
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