Bradford object lesson
Well, the argument has been that any junior who can get drafted early should exit college and take the money. Last year in particular it was common to reference Sam Bradford's shoulder injury, and Bulaga certainly had his concerns that, having gotten sick, he should not take his playing career and future income for granted.
However, this deal flips that thinking on his head, and I do wonder if Bulaga, Greene, and Dace didn't cost themselves a great deal by leaving before they had to. Not anyone's decision but their own, but I can't believe that Greene in particular left 8 figures on the table by not coming back.
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Greene might have left a great deal of money on the table
But Bulaga didn’t. This contract is a shining example of what’s going to change with the next Collective Bargaining Agreement. Salaries and guaranteed bonuses for rookies have gone up so much that it is crowding out the money available for proven vets. Needless to say, this does not sit well with the rest of the players (and rookies eventually become vets) nor do the owners like gambling with this much money. There is a long way to go until a new CBA is reached, but it will almost assuredly contain some sort of rookie salary cap/slotting system like MLB uses. This was the last year that deals like Bradford’s (or possibly even Bulaga’s) will happen.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
NFL running backs are like hookers
You’ll pay top dollar for the good ones…but once they reach the age of 30 they’re essentially sloppy seconds. Or at least that’s how I value my hookers.
Shonn Greene (born August 21, 1985) was 24 for his 1st season in the NFL. He signed a 4 year deal that won’t make him a rich man compared to most starting NFL running backs. The real money that he is going to make will be from his 2nd deal. He will be 28 when he’s looking to sign his 2nd deal which means that he should still be somewhat desirable barring injury.
Had he waited another year he would be 29 when he’s looking to sign his 2nd deal…although it’s one year I think it makes a big difference. Maybe more likely he’ll be looking to restructure his deal after this year or next year while he’s still got some tread left on the tires.
Granted one more year at Iowa could have gotten him into the “Fuck you money” with his rookie deal…but it’s probably just as likely that one more year at Iowa could have landed him in a less enviable position of trying to make his way on an NFL roster as a 5th or 6th round pick.
All in all he landed in a pretty good position and should be one of the better running backs in the NFL in his 2nd year in the league and he has one of the best OLs in the league blocking for him and a coach who is committed to the run.
The trend in the NFL now though, is to hold out.
If he has a big year this year, and everything looks like he will, he could easily have his contract “improved” before his existing contract expires.
Who's leg do I have to hump to get a drink around here?-Brian
Greene made the right move
Unless he won the Heismann, he wasn’t going to improve his draft position much. He would have still had the top-end speed issue. Also, His running style is brutal, another year at Iowa would be one less in the NFL.
And remember that he was on sabbatical for academic issues. I don’t think he was much of a student, so he could have screwed himself up there again.
Facts sometimes have a strange and bizarre power that makes their inherent truth seem unbelievable. - Werner Herzog
Some things to remember are...
that the big money goes to QBs, and top 5 overall picks. I just looked at the Top 25 yearly salaries (which, I think, included signing bonuses) and it was pretty rare to see a lot of RBs in the top 10 or 15 of the whole NFL over the last few years. There are a fair amount of OL and DLs, but again, it seems like they usually have been high picks.
Would Bulaga have been a top 5 overall guy next year? Maybe, but it seems like “perception of career momentum” was not on his side. Dace (injuries) and Greene (age) probably also would not have been top 5 overall, even if they had awesome seasons late in their college careers.
Finally, I hate to say it, but I think being an Iowa player doesn’t really help you in terms of being drafted high. Yes, some Hawkeyes get drafted in the middle and late rounds because the NFL teams know that Ferentz and company have prepared them well. But, we rarely have the top-level talent that makes NFL scouts say “wow, we must give this guy $25 million or more.”
http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/default.aspx?Loc=Vanity
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
After a bunch of high-drafted RBs
in the early mid-1990s flamed out, pro teams have really shied away from drafting RBs early, if in the first round at all.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
uhh..."being an Iowa player doesn't really help you out..."
Gallery #2 Bulaga… seriously, that is pretty good stuff, is it not?
looking for someone smarter than KOK...
by not so fast, my friend on Jul 31, 2010 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I failed to recall Gallery.
My bad.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Aug 1, 2010 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Being that I'm drunk
I’m pretty sure I know what I’m talking about when I say that it’s not an Iowa perception that causes our athletes to be less highly coveted than athletes from other schools…it’s more so that we don’t get the highly talented athletes out of high school. So when people look at our guys and see their measurables…they don’t feel like they have as high of a ceiling as some other guys who might have about the same credentials but more impressive 40 times, etc.
Then again…Al Davis drafts solely based on 40 times and his squad took Gallery #2 overall…but IIRC Gallery looked fairly impressive on paper.
We're going to find out just how smart or stupid the NFL talent scouting is over the next year or two
and we will do so with one case study…Tim Tebow. And Case Study #2 Terrelle Pryor is coming shortly.
I personally have a hard time seeing Tim Tebow ever being better than Kyle Orton. I am going to look on in total fascination too, because Denver is going to give TT every opportunity under the sun to make it. No player in the history of professional football may be given as much rope as Tim Tebow is going to be given. He may very well blow my mind and become a very good starting QB.
But there was never any question in my mind that Shonn Greene was goinig to be a star RB. That he dropped that low was very unfortunate for him, and revealed just how wierd these NFL talent assessments really can be.
By the way, I think Bradford is capable of being the next Joe Montana. He got drafted by the wrong team though. So we’ll see just how much they can fuck up his talent. But if Iowa had Sam Bradford the last two years I think we would’ve lost maybe one game. Maybe.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
If we had Tebow...I'm not sure we lose any
I don’t get how people don’t think Tebow will be a good NFL QB. It’s not as if running QBs can’t succeed in today’s NFL…Vince Young hasn’t been a disaster when he’s been on the field (probably not worthy of that high of a draft pick but I’d say he’s been better than Reggie Bush) and Mike Vick was pretty good when he was playing.
I don’t know one way or the other but I see no reason Tebow can’t be the next Steve Young…while his Wunderlic was low his football instincts certainly aren’t lacking…neither is his work ethic and desire to win. If Manzi doesn’t blow the Wunderlic out of the water I’m sure Iowa fans will mention those same attributes as reasons why he can still be successful.
I once thought similarly about Tebow...
as you did, CP. Then, Timmy sucked at that senior game that he went to. He couldn’t even take snaps correctly.
And he has quite a bit of competition on his own team. I don’t think Orton or Quinn are career backups yet.
I’ve never hated Tebow as much as a lot of people have. Yes, he is over-rated, and maybe a bit too religious. But now he has to prove he can drop back and make good throws.
As for Bradford, the Rams just don’t have much of an O-Line. I think they were dead last in points scored and 4th worst in total offense last year. And now they’ve added a QB with a history of injuries to the mix. Good luck, Rams!
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Aug 1, 2010 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Tim Tebow
cannot run like Vick or Young and his throwing motion and ability are mediocre at best. At Florida he was a first read QB and then duck and run. He really is a product of a system that was filled with first round draft choices. He may succeed. I am betting he has a career along the lines of Chris Simms. A few starts and not a lot of production.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
I'll agree with your assessment
Although if Denver was willing to run the wildcat 10-15 times a game, he’d be fantastic in that.
The rest of the time, move him to TE. He’s got the size and athletic ability to do well there.
But again, he could also turn out to be John Elway 2.0. QB’s with his college pedigree are often a crapshoot.
Do you really think he's fast enough to be effective in a wildcat type offense?
He’s not a runner that makes the corner all that often. Plus, I imagine his size won’t be much of a factor in the NFL, and I’m not sure it’s in his best interest to run into NFL LBs 10-15 times a game.
by The Mexican't on Aug 1, 2010 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions
This has been one of my talking points all along.
Disregarding his mechanical issues (of which there are many), take a look at the list of NFL quarterbacks who played at Florida since the merger…
Kerwin Bell, Rex Grossman, Bob Hewko, Doug Johnson, Eric Kresser, Shane Matthews, Jesse Palmer, John Reaves, Kay Stephenson, Danny Wuerffel, and Steve Spurrier.
Yikes. I’ll say that again… Yikes.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Aug 1, 2010 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Kay Stephenson?

"Kittens give Morbo gas."
by Bucketochicken on Aug 1, 2010 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions
You'd think she hosted a half hour home cooking show on Food.
But it’s really just another dude from Florida who sucked ass in the NFL. Nothing all that shocking… although he did back up Spurrier.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Aug 2, 2010 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe a career along the lines of Alex Smith
A similar product of that same system, except Smith is probably a better passer than Tebow ever will be.
Tebow
Will be the NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year!!! And the BESTEST QUARTERBACK IN THIS OR ANY OTHER UNIVERSE!!!!
/Tim Teblog’d
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 2, 2010 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Said it before
Steve Young was the last “quarterback who could run” to win a Superbowl. His success mostly came from looking at three to four options to throw, move around some and if no one was open to tuck and run. He never ran first. Tebow, Vick and Young are all check one, possibly two options for passing and then run. Pro defenses already have this figured out and will force him to attempt to pass; professional football is not the level to learn to read pass defenses.
There is a market for the running quarterback, they sell jerseys and put butts in seats but don’t win championships. Maybe Tebow will be the one that will finally disprove this but history is not on his side. He will also be hurt by the narrow or non-existent talent gap he will be working with in vast contrast to what surrounded him at Florida.
Line up Manning, Manning, Rothesberger, Brees and Brady for a 40 yard race – who wins? My guess would be Brees but it doesn’t really make much of a difference, they didn’t win their Superbowls, or jobs, with their legs.
Tebow was an amazing college quarterback but doesn’t appear to have, IMO, the talents needed for the pro game. Doesn’t take anything away from his college years and accomplishments I just don’t think he will be a successful pro quarterback.
Too high? What do you mean too high?
by The Bacon Explosion on Aug 3, 2010 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions

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