Iowa '09 Or Iowa '08: Which Team Reigns Supreme?
by Adam Jacobi on Jul 26, 2010 7:30 AM CDT
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Last season, Iowa finished No. 7 in the nation with an 11-2 record and a solid win over Georgia Tech for Iowa's first BCS win in over 50 years. The year prior, Iowa finished 9-4 and ranked 20th. Logic would dictate, then, that the 2009 Iowa team was objectively better than their 2008 counterpart. Is that the case, though? Which team reigns supreme? Let's look at the two teams unit by unit.
OFFENSE
QUARTERBACK
2008: Jake Christensen finished his implosion just in time for Ricky Stanzi to step in and assume leadership of the team. In 2008, Stanzi became a winner, but struggled with turnovers on the road, definitely costing Iowa multiple games.
2009: Stanzi still struggled with turnovers, but none definitely cost Iowa any games.
Advantage: 2009
RUNNING BACK
2008: Shonn Greene won the Doak Walker Award, and Jewel Hampton contributed ably in relief. Greene and Hampton would combine for 398 carries, 2313 yards, and 27 TDs.
2009: Green and Hampton would combine for 0 carries, 0 yards, and 0 TDs. Their replacements, Adam Robinson and Brandon Wegher, netted 1475 yards and 13 TDs on 343 carries.
Big Advantage: 2008
TIGHT END
2008: Tony Moeaki struggles with injuries, but Brandon Myers and Allan Reisner turn in very good performances in Moeaki's absence. Myers parlays his all-conference season into a 7th round draft pick.
2009: Tony Moeaki doesn't struggle as much with injuries, and Allan Reisner turns in a good performance in Moeaki's absence. Moeaki parlays his all-conference season into a 4th 3rd round draft pick.
Slight Advantage: 2009
WIDE RECEIVER
2008: While not finding the end zone very often, Derrell Johnson-Koulianos leads the team in receptions and receiving yards. Trey Stross and Colin Sandeman fade in and out of the picture.
2009: While not finding the end zone very often, Derrell Johnson-Koulianos leads the team in receptions and receiving yards. This time, however, DJK is complemented by the big-play ability of Marvin McNutt. Trey Stross and Colin Sandeman fade in and out of the picture.
Advantage: 2009
OFFENSIVE LINE
2008: Bryan Bulaga is absolutely mighty, and clearly is the best LT in the conference. Kyle Calloway is solid at the other bookend, and Iowa is buoyed in the middle by the all-conference play of Rob Bruggeman and Seth Olsen. Julian Vandervelde plays his way into the starting lineup.
2009: Bryan Bulaga struggles mightily, and clearly is not the best LT on his own team. Kyle Calloway is solid at the other bookend, but Iowa is hampered in the middle by the inconsistent play of Rafael Eubanks and Julian Vandervelde. Riley Reiff plays his way into the starting lineup.
Big Advantage: 2008
DEFENSE
DEFENSIVE ENDS
2008: Adrian Clayborn and Christian Ballard are solid, if not spectacular, and their statistics reflect as such: 90 combined tackles, 11.5 combined tackles for loss, 3.5 combined sacks. They are the 10th and 11th top tacklers on the team. Meanwhile, Broderick Binns is a nice change of pace, though 22 tackles and 2 sacks are unimpressive.
2009: Adrian Clayborn is an absolute nightmare, with 79 tackles, 20 tackles for loss, and 11.5 sacks. He also blocks a punt and returns it for a touchdown, and shuts down an entire half of the field for Georgia Tech's rushing offense. This is not an exaggeration. Meanwhile, Broderick Binns is a nice complement, and his 63 tackles, 6 sacks, and forced safety against Penn State are impressive.
Big Advantage: 2009
DEFENSIVE TACKLES
2008: Matt Kroul and Mitch King (a.k.a. Kroul and Unusual Punishment) go out on a high note, completely taking away the inside rushing game for every opposing running back but Maine's. They combine for 22 tackles for loss and are the unquestioned leaders of the defense.
2009: The duo of a blocker-eater and a smaller havoc-wreaker is recreated with a heavier Christian Ballard and Karl Klug, and their results are still positive. While the inside rushing game was more prevalent for opponents, they combine for 22 tackles for loss and are the unquestioned surprise of the defense.
Slight Advantage: 2008
LINEBACKERS
2008: Pat Angerer and A.J. Edds show surprising athleticism and productivity in both run support and pass protection, while Jeremiha Hunter ekes out a starting spot in fall camp and hangs onto it for the balance of the season. One linebacker grabs five picks, and the other two in the trio grab one apiece.
2009: Ditto, except Angerer registers considerably more tackles.
Slight Advantage: 2009
CORNERBACKS
2008: Amari Spievey comes out busting receivers, and Bradley Fletcher turns in a productive season that nets himself an early third-round pick in the NFL draft. Jordan Bernstine is hampered by off-season injuries.
2009: Amari Spievey comes out busting receivers and nets him an early third-round pick in the NFL draft. Shaun Prater turns in a productive season. Jordan Bernstine is hampered by off-season injuries.
Slight Advantage: 2008, but only because Prater missed starts
SAFETIES
2008: Tyler Sash comes out of nowhere for a very productive season, while Brett Greenwood is the (relative) weak link of the defense.
2009: Tyler Sash comes out of nowhere for multiple game-turning plays, while Brett Greenwood is no longer the weak link of the defense.
Advantage: 2009
SPECIAL TEAMS
2008: Andy Brodell takes a punt to the house, and Daniel Murray hits arguably the biggest field goal of the Kirk Ferentz era. The kicking game struggles at times, but 19/24 isn't bad.
2009: DJK takes a kick to the house, and Adrian Clayborn makes arguably the biggest blocked punt of the Kirk Ferentz era. The kicking game struggles at times, but 19/26 isn't bad.
Advantage: 2008
OVERALL PRODUCTION
2008: Facing I-A teams that combined to go 76-64 in other games*, Iowa averaged over 30 points a game and 13 points a game allowed. Iowa goes 3-3 on the road against teams that went a combined 30-28 in other games.
2009: Facing I-A teams that combined for 89 other wins, Iowa averaged over 23 points a game and over 15 points a game allowed. Iowa goes 5-1 on the road against teams that went a combined 44-16 in other games.
Advantage: Push
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QUICK BREAKDOWN
- Slight Advantages: Push, 2-2
- Advantages: 2009, 3-1
- Big Advantages: 2008, 2-1
It's pretty even, isn't it? Especially considering the fact that Iowa was teetering on the edge of missing a bowl for the second straight year when they found themselves down by 9 against PSU in 2008. And if they'd lost, they probably wouldn't have been a very good football team, in retrospect. Instead, they won their last four games, the last two in convincing fashion, and carried that momentum into a (comparatively much more) successful 2009.
And yet, instead of being able to look at the win totals and declare a better team, we see the two as, on paper, veritable equals. So we're left to wonder if 2008 Bulaga could have contained 2009 Adrian Clayborn (sort of), if 2008 Clayborn vs. 2009 Bulaga would have been a noteworthy matchup (not really), if 2009 Marvin McNutt could have victimized 2008 Brett Greenwood (yes), and most importantly, if the 2009 front seven could have contained 2008 Shonn Greene. (ummm... you guys answer that one).
Also, give your prediction for a final score. Do as we say.
*Games that weren't against Iowa, that is to say.
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2009 over 2008, in a squeaker.
Probably a tight finish, final drive type of deal a la @MSU last fall.
23-20, 2009.
"Kittens give Morbo gas."
Justification
09 Stanzi > 08 Stanzi
09 Defense overall > 08 Defense
09 DL > 08 OL
09 Offense more well-rounded/more multidimensional than 08 Offense (so yeah, Greene still rolls up over 100 and scores two TDs, but 09’s passing game just enough to make the 09 Offense more effective than the 08).
But yeah, still a squeaker, and really, could go either way.
"Kittens give Morbo gas."
by Bucketochicken on Jul 26, 2010 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions
I was thinking these two things as well:
09 Defense overall > 08 Defense
09 Offense more well-rounded/more multidimensional than 08 Offense
Like BOC, I will assume that the 09 defense is able to come close to shutting down Greene (which still might allow him 75 to 125 yds and a TD).
So then, I think the 09 defense is more likely to come up with a game-changing play (INT return, or punt block, or FG block, or a forced fumble or two). Also, 09 offense is a bit more dangerous in the passing game (but more likely to give up a pic six?)
My prediction: 2009 wins, 20 to 17. Maybe decided by a late FG or FG gaffe? And yes, I originally typed 21 to 17, but I decided to not rip off Mexicant’s predicted score from below. Bad weather might make me lean toward 2008.
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by WaterlooChazz on Jul 26, 2010 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions
To me, pretty much the only difference was "luck".
Not really “luck” but more random variances that can help determine close games. In 2008, they definitely went against Iowa, other than Penn State. In 2009, they definitely went for Iowa, other than Ohio State. A few changed ref calls or coach calls or players’ play and the team would be equal.
I’d reverse from BoC and say 23-20, 2008.
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I don't know that the 2009 front seven can contain Greene.
And he would make the difference. 2008 Iowa wins the game on the back of Greene and another 100+ yard performance, 21-17.
Can the front seven use blatant helmet to helmet hits to contain him?
Or is Northwestern only allowed to do that?
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by EnergizerHawk on Jul 26, 2010 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Did 2009 Iowa miss an extra point or were they held to three safeties?
by The Mexican't on Jul 26, 2010 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Two field goals.
Two missed.
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by ReadingRambler on Jul 26, 2010 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions
i take issue with this article
for not misspelling Trey Stross’s name at least 5 different ways, fix it!
Keeping wildlife, an amphibious rodent, for uh, domestic, you know, within the city - that aint legal either, Dude.
by AcrimoniousAngerererer on Jul 26, 2010 8:34 AM CDT reply actions
Troy Stross?
Terry Stross?
Tim Stross?
Tai Streets?
Trey Strosser?
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by ReadingRambler on Jul 26, 2010 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions
'08 or '09 Kinnick?
Light a man a fire, he'll stay warm for a day.
Light a man afire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Maybe 08 can play in antebellum Kinnick
With the tiny press box. And 09 can play in new Kinnick.
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The 2009 schedule was a killer yet
the Hawkeyes put up a better record than in 2008. If Stanzi stayed healthy we would likely be comparing the 2009 team with the 2002 or the 1958 team. With a healthy Stanzi all last year, the Hawkeyes could have been playing in the NC game. The 2008 was not even BCS material.
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Despite what everyone says
W-L record is not a strong indicator of the quality and talent on a team. Look at how those games were won or lost, and against whom, and whether or not Jake Christensen received significant minutes.
A team with Iowa’s 2002 talent (e.g.) could go 4-4 in the Big Ten just as easily as it could go 8-0, depending on a very small number of factors.
Brunettes not fighter jets
the 2009 team was very close to not being BCS material
I remember saying to another hawk fan at a bar before the wisconsin game that I could still see the hawks fall to a 9-3 or so just like last year. 2008 iowa lost 4 games by a total of 12 points, but they knew how to eat a cupcake: MOVs of 43, 42, 36, and 55. 2009 iowa, on the other hand, won 4 games by 3 points or fewer – one of those teams was FCS, 2 others didn’t finish with winning records.
2 additional wins definitely puts 09 ahead of 08, but their really a stones throw instead of miles apart.
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by AcrimoniousAngerererer on Jul 26, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
As a Jets fan it was fun watching him...
…but as a Hawks fan it was turrible, turrrrrrrible imagining what we could have done with him back as a senior. (Hangs head.)
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 27, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Wasn't the flying hawaiian
a 3rd round pick?
by Internet Legend on Jul 26, 2010 9:26 AM CDT reply actions
In my defense
I wrote this at like 2 am.
grumble grumble grumble
I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks
After several Jeremiah Weed's Sweet Tea Vodka's
I assume?
by Internet Legend on Jul 26, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions
any bonus points for making a podcast reference
in a blog post?
by Internet Legend on Jul 26, 2010 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions
12 blogbucks for you!
Blogbucks can be redeemed for nothing.
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by Internet Legend on Jul 26, 2010 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought you could...
trade blogbucks for Chizik nickels?
Oh, right, you already said “nothing.”
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by WaterlooChazz on Jul 26, 2010 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Damn it...
….I swear I didn’t see your comment when I posted mine. Shit.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 27, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
@Eyeheart...
More jokes degrading Gene Chizik are always welcome, no matter if they are similar to other jokes.
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by WaterlooChazz on Jul 27, 2010 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Nothing?
I saw something on the sidewalk.
It was a Chizik nickel.
I became poorer.
by The Great Dark Spot Near Uranus on Jul 27, 2010 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions
2008, if Stanzi can be the starter for the whole game and play like he did in November, not September.
If he had been the starter all season he would have had his growing pains, and I don’t think the outcome would have been much different, maybe 10-3 instead of 9-4. I think that the rest of the teams are pretty even, so it comes down to QB. If the Stanzi that played the last 4 games of 2008 plays the whole game for 2008, they win. But if JC6 plays all or most of the 1st quarter and then a random series in the 2nd quarter, 2009 wins. And if Stanzi has to grow over the course of the game like he did in 2008, 2009 wins.
So 2008 or 2009 wins. Either way, the HMB plays the victory polka and we all go back to celebrate in the lots, unless it’s a night game.
I’m not sure 2008 special teams had an advantage over 2009.
In 2008 Brodell had a HUGE fumble on the kickoff return against jNW that swung the momentum and may have cost us the game.
In 2009 Clayborn’s punt block pretty much won us the game @ PSU.
If neither of those two happened, the 2008 and 2009 teams may have had identical records.
I don’t know the exact stats, but I recall Donahue and the coverage teams being better in 2009.
It seemed to me
Like Donahue struggled somewhat down the stretch in 2009 (although that might just be the Indiana shank for five yards clouding my memory). The coverage I agree with, though.
Me gustan los estados unidos.
I think '09 Donahue had a good season
His averages don’t jump out at you, but he is very good at pinning a team deep inside the 20. Our defense had a lot of exciting near-safety moments (and a crucial safety) as a result.
My point being: I think ’09 Donahue would beat ’08 Donahue in a blindfolded kick-fight in a dark alley.
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by EastLosRandy on Jul 26, 2010 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions
If the offense didn't stall at midfield he could have had a bigger average.
It seemed like he wasn’t punting from deep in his own territory where he could get the really long punts.
I checked the stats...
and the punting averages were close to the same in 2008 and 2009 (41.6 vs. 40.9), but in 2009 Donahue had 27 punts downed inside the 20 and only 5 touchbacks. That is pretty incredible.
In 2008 it was 19 downed inside the 20 and 7 touchbacks.
http://www.hawkeyesports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/donahue_ryan00.html
I think it was just the Indiana shank
My impression from 2008 is that he usually had one craptastic punt per game. In 2009 I only remember one during the Indiana game, and that was the least of our concerns on that lovely afternoon.
Donahue will likely be critical to at least two of our wins.
Example: Early in the 2nd quarter of the Penn State game he pooched a 34-yarder to the Penn State 6. Then our defensive line pushed them right into their own end zone for the safety and Iowa’s first points of the game. That game was filled with huge moments for our season.
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by EastLosRandy on Jul 27, 2010 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I suppose I should just hope for...
…a lot of growth this year. I think Donahue will be just as good and likely better than he was last year. And he will probably run a better fake than Daniel Murray (if the entire coaching staff does ecstasy before a game again). Just saying.
Me gustan los estados unidos.
correction
Brodell fumbled on a punt return. There was 1:14 left in the second quarter, 4th and 7 for NW at the NW 23, and Iowa called timeout, up 17-3. They were looking to push their lead to 20-3 at the half.
NW punts and Brodell fumbled at the Iowa 33. NW recovers, has a quick drive for a TD to cut the lead to 17-10 and totally swing the momentum going into the half.
Despite what everyone says W-L record is not a strong indicator of the quality and talent on a team.
This sounds like what my daughter who used to say when she got a “c” on a test. “Daddy”, she would say, “grades are not a good indicator of class performance.” My response to her was, “You stupid Bitch; grades (and scores) are the only indicators that matter.”
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I'm calling child protective services.
In all seriousness, scores matter quite a bit…but so does perception of a team’s quality. Because BCS rankings depend so heavily upon human opinions of the teams, the difference between a 17-16 “HOLY MOTHER OF GOD” finish against an FCS team and a veritable rape actually does matter. Both games are "W"s, but very different "W"s.
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TEAM PSYCHE:
2008— Coming off two disappointing years, grumbling in the fanbase, a two-headed quarterback, 4 losses, one of which (against MSU) from such a crisis of confidence that you don’t let the kicker kick on 4th and about 2 from the 24. With the season on the brink, pull out a big victory despite bad interceptions and turnovers on center snaps, in part because PSU decides it’s perfectly okay to throw at will into a 25 mph wind.
2009— Coming off a late-season resurgence and a dominating bowl win, enough confidence to nearly overlook a good non-Div.I team, then take off on a tear, winning close games on the road in the most hostile environments. White out and TD on first PSU play? No problem. Five interceptions? No problem, we have a quarter left, despite our own boneheaded wisdom of throwing at will into a 25 m.p.h. wind against Indiana. With a baby quarterback in Columbus, go to O.T. and then only because the kicker finally burns us when it counts.
Advantage: Are you kidding me??
Even with Shonn Greene, unless maybe you get the bowl-edition 2008 team, 2009 wins. If there’s one man who could figure out how to slow down Shonn Greene, it’s Norm Parker. Still close, maybe 23-17, but I’ll take 2009 9 out of 10 times.
A fella steps out for a two pound burrito and all hell breaks loose.
Don't get me wrong
They’d all be close games. But that was the greatness of the 2009 team. They won, regardless of personnel disparites, regardless of the fact that teams were gunning for them, and with no regard for style points.
A fella steps out for a two pound burrito and all hell breaks loose.
I still think "what if" when thinking of how great the 2009 team might have been had Shonn Greene returned.
by HawkeyeRecon on Jul 26, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Well...
Not having Greene and Hampton forced KOK to throw the ball more, I feel, allowing Stanzi and the WRs to play a bigger role. Of course, if we assume we’d have still thrown a lot, even with Greene in, then yes. I think Greene wins the Heisman and we win the Big10, AT LEAST.
I think it comes down to Greene vs Clayborn
If Clayborn can contain an entire half of the field like he did against GT, it would allow the other side to gang up on Greene and prevent him from doing too much damage.
Greene gets his 100 yards, but no TD’s in a 17-13 2009 Iowa victory.
by HeroPatriotStanzi on Jul 26, 2010 12:41 PM CDT reply actions
Is it wrong...
that I desperately want to see what kind of massive bomb crater would be left if Shonn Greene tried to truck Adrian Clayborn? Of course, Clayborn would have to be slightly out of balance for Greene to succeed, but you see my point.
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by WaterlooChazz on Jul 26, 2010 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not sure why you'd want the world to end.
That just seems needlessly cruel.
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Good question
2009 was very close to being a .500 team but learned to win after being in so many close losses the year before. Flip a couple of games around and it easy could be the 2008 team playing int Orange Bowl.
I know it isn’t fair to look at just two games, but in consecutive games, the team that beat South Carolina looks considerably stronger than the team that needed two blocked fg’s to beat UNI. Granted, this example is end of season vs. season opener, but ’08 (record-be-damned) was a very good team.
At the end of the year, there were very few teams as strong as these two, regardless of record. If they were to play each immediately following their respectively bowl game, I like 08 only because they had so much momentum and confidence. 09 beat GT, but I feel that game was played closer than the final score may indicate. They were also coming into the game with losses in two of thier last three games and the one win was about as much fun as watching your grandmother take bath.
2008 had the engine humming at the end once Stanzi took over. With the exception of the Illinois game, they outplayed nearly everyone (including losses to Pitt and MSU). Plus, there is always 55-0 at the Metrodome.
No answer for Greene (or the O-line). 2008 wins 26-17.
by Pubes in Pink Urinals on Jul 26, 2010 1:01 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I'm not sure I agree with your analysis about the OB
if anything, I’d almost say that the game wasn’t as close as the score indicated. Iowa was up 14-0 and driving again before the Stanziball that cut the lead in half – not to mention at that point that GT had something like a total of 4 yards in the first 25 minutes of the game. If that Stanziball does not happen and Iowa drives for a 21-0 lead (or even 17-0), the game could have gotten out of hand very quickly. Not to mention the fact that they gave up more potential points trying for the fake FG…
by HeroPatriotStanzi on Jul 26, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Let's not forget
About the OB – one crazy-ass fake field goal (add three points), Robinson not falling down (add four points), Sandeman not bouncing the ball off his knee at the 8 (add at least three). Let them keep the Ricksix, It could have easily been much more in IA’s favor. Granted none of that happened but that was one of the most one sided 10 point victory I have seen. GT gained 36 yards in the first half and was only down seven – that isn’t skill, that’s luck.
Too high? What do you mean too high?
by The Bacon Explosion on Jul 27, 2010 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Hero and Bacon below are correct...
…and although we demolished GT and made them look silly almost all game long, don’t forget how GT got to that bowl game. They weren’t a pushover team despite the fact that our D made them look like a one trick pony mule. That team flat out ran all over people all year long… they didn’t look like it facing us, but they were a good team.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 27, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed with all the replies
That was EASILY the most one-sided 10 point game I can recall. At no point during that game did I feel GT was even in it. Seriously. Not even at 17-14 did I feel like they had any shot. As was stated above, that’s not skill, that’s luck.
I can live with the fact that GT was never in the game,
but I feared that GT was only one broken play from taking the lead at the end. Fortunately, it never happened. I guess I am a glass half empty fan (which I am ok with). Age has jaded me.
I stand by my prediction that Shonn Greene and the 2008 team would win a fictional match-up against Iowa Football 2009. Bring on the 2002 team.
by Pubes in Pink Urinals on Jul 27, 2010 8:44 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
2002?
The thought of DJ Johnson or Antwan Allen trying to cover McNutt makes me want to curl up into the fetal position.
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Penn State-Iowa 2002 was on the BTN recently.
Two more overtimes and DJ Johnson sets a record for pass interference calls.
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by ReadingRambler on Jul 29, 2010 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions
If it comes down to a tight finish, who has the ball last?
If it’s 2008 then KF goes for it on 4th down and hopefully Greene doesn’t get stuffed. If it’s 2009 KF plays for overtime (sorry for going there).
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
The first scenario called for trust....
…in his All-American, Doak Walker award winning running back while the second called for trust in his RS freshman QB who could hit the ground with a pass one week earlier. IMO, It is a reasonable decision to put the team on the back of a proven leader and winner but utter folly to do the same with first-time starter in the Shoe.
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That was 2009 without Stanzi
With Stanzi, seven got six.
A fella steps out for a two pound burrito and all hell breaks loose.
I think the 2008 team was at its best in 2009.
And the 2009 team was at its best in 2010.
So when should we schedule the game?
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Won't matter because we'll all die in 2012.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jul 27, 2010 2:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Not if we hitch a ride with John Cusack.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
that dude can drive
Too high? What do you mean too high?
by The Bacon Explosion on Jul 27, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Nah, those buildings and faultlines just have shitty aim.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jul 27, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, but they have a tremendous motor and great upside.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Sign the buildings to our O-Line and quick....
….we can use the faultlines as DBs just in case someone gets past Clayborn & Co.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 27, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought about making...
a Cusack/2012 joke after reading Kluginator’s comment, but you all did better than I ever could. I salute you all.
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by WaterlooChazz on Jul 27, 2010 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Who gets to use the new indoor practice facility the week before the game?
It needs to happen now that Nebraska’s spectacular (and I’m not kidding or being sarcastic) training facilities are coming into our conference. And just because we really need a better indoor facility than ISU to go with all our other better facilities.
Let's consider it both teams' bowl game.
Play it in the Rose Bowl.
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by EastLosRandy on Jul 27, 2010 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions
It comes down to strength vs weakness
And that is the big play passing ability of 09 stanzi to mcnutt, exploitng the weakness that was Bret greenwood. Where as the 08 strength of Shonn Greene would be at the very least slowed enough to stop the offence (though he would get his yards).
I’m seein a 24-20 victory for 09 with two long touchdown passes from 09 stanzi.
Of course both sides would suffer from Murray shanks
by cubbyhawk on Jul 27, 2010 12:41 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Dream on homer, no way does a Norm Parker defense give up more than 200 pts!!!
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But Nebraska would still be National Champions
by PackerHawk on Jul 27, 2010 12:43 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
dammit
I tried to say (runs and hides after poking a lion with a stick). Yup, the Woodford in the flask from football season still packs a punch. Good night everybody…
by PackerHawk on Jul 27, 2010 12:45 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
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