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Favorite beers and spirits


I turn 21 today, so my question to all of you is, what beers and/or spirits or wines (that I probably haven't heard of) should I be looking into purchasing? I figured its summer, there isn't much Iowa-related news happening right now, so I thought what better way to kill time than talk about booze. Price isn't really an issue, well it is, but for discussion purposes who really cares. Thanks.

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Do yourself a favor

Get an IPA or an ale. None of this Keystone bullshit. Start drinking quality.

And when the machine breaks down, we break down.

by victorypolka on Jul 24, 2010 5:42 PM CDT reply actions  

That was my thinking

I’ve always been interested in locally brewed beers and small batch liquors, now I actually get to experience them.

Tigers love pepper... they hate cinnamon.

by White Lightning on Jul 24, 2010 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just got back

where doing a quick brewery and winery vacation. If you’re ever in the Milwaukee area, I can’t recommend the Milwaukee Brewing Co. enough. They give a tour of the brewery and the beer, to my tastes, was excellent.

It never gets to be easy

by chitownhawkeye on Jul 26, 2010 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't talk shit about Keystone

It’s refreshing after a long run……

No self-respecting man from Iowa goes anywhere without beer

by Hayden Fry's Moustache Ride on Jul 25, 2010 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not all are created equal

It’s best if you set a goal for trying as many different as possible. A buddy of mine has been collecting bottle caps and cans from every single beer we could get. We have discovered some great brews local and far away. But for some reason I see myself always going for the easy buys (Bud, Busch, Michelob Golden).

by Donkerwilly on Jul 24, 2010 7:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Michelob Golden

I really liked that stuff back in college. Now that I’m all growed up and living in Texas… I cannot find it anywhere, but maybe I’m simply not looking hard enough.

Going, going, going, going, going, going, going, going.... Alright, I'll stop for now.

by EnergizerHawk on Jul 24, 2010 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with you, Donker...

Every once in awhile, I like to buy a sixer of something I have not tried before. But I often find myself buying the classics the majority of the time: Busch Light, Bud Light, Mich Golden Light, and sometimes Miller Lite.

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 25, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I live in St Louis, where it's brewed

And I can’t even get Mich Golden here. You can only have it on the Budweiser Brewery Tour when they give you two beers for free (you have a choice of a whole bunch of beers). I love Mich Golden. The bottles and cans are even ribbed [insert “for her pleasure” joke here]. It’s a great easy buy that’s much better than Bud, Miller, Busch, etc imo.

by HawkgirlSTL on Jul 26, 2010 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just had a pitcher of it last evening.

Of course, I had 3 or 4 bottles of Busch Light the evening before that.

Decisions, decisions.

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 26, 2010 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Aw, I forgot about the ribbed cans.

That was definitely a keeper.

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by EnergizerHawk on Jul 27, 2010 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

For those that like Blue Moon

Try some Hoegaarden. My favorite Belgian White.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Jul 27, 2010 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am currently drinking...

Killian’s Irish Red.

Mmm. Although, if money really is no object… and if you can find it, try Delirium Nocturnum. It’s a smooth dark beer. Oh… it’s nice.

Yes, pink elephants are included.

Going, going, going, going, going, going, going, going.... Alright, I'll stop for now.

by EnergizerHawk on Jul 24, 2010 8:22 PM CDT reply actions  

That is awesome

Tigers love pepper... they hate cinnamon.

by White Lightning on Jul 24, 2010 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Delirium tremens is even better....

…..and more user-friendly taste-wise for a novice.

BEWARE: Belgian beers tend to be MUCH stronger than American beers, some of them up to 9% alcohol. Read the label!

BTW, the best beer in the world, ORVAL, is a Belgian beer. Totally unique. Buy it and drink it like you would champagne (meaning it’s a special occasion sort of beer).

"If you want to become a man--come to Iowa" All American IOWA LB PAT ANGERER, whose best friend is a dog.

by The Director on Jul 25, 2010 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have not had the chance to try tremens

The local drinking joint was sold out when I was there a while back. And yes… they’re quite a bit stronger! Which is why I like it. None of that measly 3.5 ABV or whatever.

Going, going, going, going, going, going, going, going.... Alright, I'll stop for now.

by EnergizerHawk on Jul 25, 2010 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just found this at Hy-Vee this weekend in the high volume alcohol (or whatever) section...

…it’s purported to be one of the best (though they recommend sipping which seems like strike one…) and it’s $18 per 4 pack (strike 2?). I’ll try it before I die.

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 26, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

WHOA WHOA WHOA

They have it at the Hy-Vee? Uhm… I’m going there when I bust into Iowa this weekend!

Going, going, going, going, going, going, going, going.... Alright, I'll stop for now.

by EnergizerHawk on Jul 26, 2010 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Which Hy-Vee

Since they all have different liquor selections, which always makes getting my bottle deposit back so fun.

by PackerHawk on Jul 26, 2010 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Anything from New Glarus Brewery

More than worth the trip to SW Wisconsin

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Jul 24, 2010 8:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Yes, I had forgotten about New Glarus

too bad they don’t ship to Iowa, I could go for a spotted cow. I’m a fan of any of the Rogue beers, and if you like whisky (Irish) look for Feckin Irish whisky. I’ve only seen it in Illinois and Minnesota though.

Hey Dolph, you look like I need a beer.

by Give Eddie a Beer on Jul 24, 2010 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've heard good things about Rogue

Anybody have an opinion on Fort Collins Brewery?

Tigers love pepper... they hate cinnamon.

by White Lightning on Jul 24, 2010 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rogue is good but TOO EXPENSIVE. Not worth it.

Almost all of those Colorado beers from their microbreweries are terrific: Fat Tire is one that can now be found in Iowa, and Breckenridge is great, too.

"If you want to become a man--come to Iowa" All American IOWA LB PAT ANGERER, whose best friend is a dog.

by The Director on Jul 25, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Blue Paddle from New Belgium...

was pretty gross when I had a sixer of it. But I tolerate the Fat Tire and the 1554. I have a friend who enjoys the Mothership Wit. I will probably try some of the other New Belgium stuff in the future.

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 26, 2010 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love wheat beers

And the Mothership doesn’t sit well on my palate.

by PackerHawk on Jul 26, 2010 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Breckenridge Vanilla Porter

….is a draft from Heaven. I buy it every chance I get.

by MotorHawk on Jul 26, 2010 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Singletrack

If you’re going w/ a Breck brew.

Also run up on 90 Schilling. Best microbrews I’ve had were in Denver. Just delish!

by imadirtyoldman on Jul 26, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

This.

90 Shilling is good in bottles and absolutely awesome on tap.

by Abbas_Cincinnatus on Jul 26, 2010 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I drank Breck's Vanilla Porter last Saturday and it was splendid

Plus I happened to be at an outdoor theater watching Top Gun beneath the stars in Boulder so it was a double win.

Mother Goose you pussy!

No self-respecting man from Iowa goes anywhere without beer

by Hayden Fry's Moustache Ride on Jul 26, 2010 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have a cousin that moved to Boulder...

and after hearing what you just said, I fear for him.

drinking Vanilla Porter while watching Top Gun at an outdoor theater. Splendid.

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 26, 2010 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

My cousin doesn't often wear hats...

but feel free to carry out the same plan for Dan Hawkins.

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 26, 2010 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ft Collins...

…take the tour. It’s great.

Beer snobs will prolly tell you FC isn’t that great because non-beer snobs drink it and talk it up too much. It’s good beer. Not the best you’ll find, but also not as bad as beer snobs make it sound. They have a lot of good, different flavored beer to try if you’re just starting out.

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 26, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lived in Badgerland for a few years.....

…..and New Glarus rules, period. Dan Carey (the brewmaster) is a flippin’ genius.

by MotorHawk on Jul 26, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thats the best part of going to Madison to visit my sister.

The new Glarus and some of the stuff from Capital Brewery. It’s nice to bring a couple of cases back to Iowa every couple of months.

Who's leg do I have to hump to get a drink around here?-Brian

by fliphawk4 on Jul 27, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

In all seriousness

My first taste of alchohol was Natty Lite. My Grandpa and uncle made me taste it. I was ten. I thus have no suggestions aside from my great grandfather’s speciality (Never tasted it myself though): dandelion wine. Apparently, I am Ray Bradbury.

Friend of the Pants since 2009.

by ReadingRambler on Jul 24, 2010 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mine was Grain Belt

at about the same age, at my uncle’s cabin in MN. We used to ask if we could taste their beer, and they’d let us take a small pull. Gotta admit, kinda liked it right away.

by RLester12 on Jul 24, 2010 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Falstaff

which I don’t even think they make anymore. My favorite drink was Jim Beam right out of the bottle. It’s probably a good thing I can’t drink anymore.

Facts sometimes have a strange and bizarre power that makes their inherent truth seem unbelievable. - Werner Herzog

by Flakbait on Jul 24, 2010 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

The vintage beers

seem to be making a comeback. Wouldn’t shock me to see it back on the shelves.

My dad was a big Hamm’s drinker. At some point he decided to make the switch to light beer, and bought some Hamm’s Light……not sure he even made it thru the initial 12 bix it was so bad. He then stepped up to Old Style Light.

by RLester12 on Jul 24, 2010 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes.

Pabst bought up a bunch of the old classic brands of beer, but I think there are some that they don’t distribute to Iowa yet.

http://www.pabstbrewingco.com/portfolio/

I’ve had Schlitz, PBR, Old Style, Special Export, and Old Milwaukee.

But, I want to try some of the others: Schaefer, National Bohemian (Natty Bo), Blatz, Stroh’s, Falstaff, Schmidt, Olympia, Lone Star, Rainier, Ballantine, and Carling.

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 25, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've had the ones you mentioned having...

…and I went out of state to have Lone Star but also picked up some Stroh’s and Rainier (I still wanna try Natty Bo).

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 26, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've had Natty Bo/National Bohemian

…back in the distant past. I recall it being another Falstaff, Special Ex, Old Milwaukee-type of brew. Nothing special.

What all those beers have in common is that they’re actually pretty good COLD, and basically undrinkable anywhere near NOT COLD.

The new/old Schlitz and Old Mil are great examples: ice cold=great, not ice cold=kill me now.

I need to try Hamm’s and the new/old Grain Belt. For the love of God, though, WaterlooChazz, do yourself a favor and skip the Blatz.

"If you want to become a man--come to Iowa" All American IOWA LB PAT ANGERER, whose best friend is a dog.

by The Director on Jul 27, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Speaking as someone who has had

both Hamm’s and Grain Belt, I understand wanting to try them for nostalgia’s sake. They’re not worth much more than that.
That being said, there was something special about drinking a Grain Belt last year with my dad from a couple of Grain Belt mini glasses that had somehow managed to fall into his pocket back in the 60s.

It never gets to be easy

by chitownhawkeye on Jul 27, 2010 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Old cheap beers.

I think that part of the reason I want to try the is because they used to be popular and pretty cheap. My dad and uncles are the types of guys who would never spend good money on beer if they didn’t have to. Therefore, I want to try those beers just to be able to know what they are talking about.

Of course, I’m sure the recipes for most of those beers could be a bit different now than they used to be, as most of those brands have been passed through 2 or 3 companies by now.

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 27, 2010 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought this was going to be a song

titled “Your mom is a naked mole rat”.

I am so very disappointed.

by The Great Dark Spot Near Uranus on Jul 27, 2010 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Try a nice, smooth bourbon

Like Woodford Reserve or Booker’s. Templeton Rye is of course worth trying, if you can find it.

by PackerHawk on Jul 24, 2010 10:12 PM CDT reply actions  

I was planning on my first 2 bourbon purchases being those 2

or maybe switching Booker’s with Baker’s, also going to try and find Templeton online somewhere, as I’m currently in Wyoming.

Tigers love pepper... they hate cinnamon.

by White Lightning on Jul 24, 2010 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm currently in the middle of bourbon country in Kentucky.

Maker’s Mark, Four Roses are a couple of distilleries nearby.

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by EnergizerHawk on Jul 24, 2010 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hear that

I lived in Lexington for a year and took several tours. That was when I really became a fan of bourbon. There are a shitton of distilleries around there, so no problem finding bourbon. I actually worked at a mexican restaurant that had more varieties of bourbon than tequila, and being Lexington, we sold more bourbon than tequila (excluding the premixed house margaritas which were nasty anyway).

by PackerHawk on Jul 26, 2010 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Rebel Yell

good cheap bourbon.

Brunettes not fighter jets

by rockyh on Jul 26, 2010 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maker's Mark....

….FTW. My personal favorite.

by MotorHawk on Jul 26, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Learn now to love champagne

It’s a decision you won’t soon regret.

I suggest, for starters, Veuve. Not extremely expensive but absolutely delicious.

Life - it's bigger...bigger than you and you are not me.

by hawkeyeguy85 on Jul 25, 2010 2:54 AM CDT reply actions  

Champagne is great. Especially cuz it will get you laid.

Chicks dig the bubble ball.

Best champagne buy you can ever make: Chandon Brut Classic. It’s 90+ points from Wine Ratings mags and deserves the rating, plus it’s under $15. It’s $11 at Costco. Another good cheap one to be found in IC-area is Barefoot Bubbly.

Moet & Chandon White Star will show you what all the crappy brands (Tott’s, Korbel, Andre, etc) are trying to taste like. Decently good, and it’s the stuff traditionally used to christen a new ship. About $35.

Veuve Cliquot is in the higher-cost range ($50+) but excellent as noted. Best buy in the upper cost area. Also try Perrier-Juoet and the famous Dom Perignon.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Jul 25, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good call on the Chandon

and while Veuve can be on the pricey side, I often see random deals. On more than one occasion I’ve picked up a bottle for around $35 at Binny’s.

Perrier-Juoet is fantastic as well.

Champagne is one of those things that I avoided simply due to lack of knowledge on the subject. Now it’s pretty much a standard in my house.

Life - it's bigger...bigger than you and you are not me.

by hawkeyeguy85 on Jul 26, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

A true Hawkeye fan would drink...

None other than the wonderfully delicious and easy on the wallet Hawkeye Vodka.

Oh, *fuck you*! I'm not the rope-totin' Charlie Bronson wannabe that's getting us fucking lost!

by Scrotie McBoogerballs on Jul 25, 2010 8:40 AM CDT reply actions  

But if you cannot find it where you are you could always try…

1. Guinness
2. Boulevard Wheat…its great with or without a lemon (but definitely be careful, it has a tendency to some pretty mean things to your innards)
3. Clear Creek Ice
4. Steel Reserve

Oh, *fuck you*! I'm not the rope-totin' Charlie Bronson wannabe that's getting us fucking lost!

by Scrotie McBoogerballs on Jul 25, 2010 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Steel Reserve?

That shit is terrible. 89 cents for a tall boy should tell you something.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Jul 25, 2010 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Its the Hawkeye Vodka of fine beers.

Who's leg do I have to hump to get a drink around here?-Brian

by fliphawk4 on Jul 27, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

Oh, *fuck you*! I'm not the rope-totin' Charlie Bronson wannabe that's getting us fucking lost!

by Scrotie McBoogerballs on Jul 27, 2010 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Anything by Boulevard is good, imo.

Every year I make sure to get a sixer or two of the spring seasonal, Irish Red Ale, for St. Patty’s Day.

As long as I’m on the topic of KC-area Irish microbrews, there’s a great little pub in Weston MO (north of KC at the MO/KS border, near Leavenworth) called O’Malley’s. It dates back to 1842 and calls itself “the oldest pub west of the Hudson.” I think the beers themselves get mixed reviews-I like the Irish Cream Ale-but the pub’s atmosphere is amazing. Live, traditional Irish music every weekend, plus a huge Irish festival in the fall and of course St. Patrick’s Day. I recommend checking it out if you’re in the area.

by IPeeBlackAndGold on Jul 25, 2010 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you're in IC

Always try to make a stop at Dirty John’s. Amazing beer & wine rooms, good prices, and it’s always good to support your locally-owned small companies.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Jul 25, 2010 10:41 AM CDT reply actions  

Not only that

the staff is very knowledgeable about their booze selection. They’ll recommend you something you’re certain to like.

Brunettes not fighter jets

by rockyh on Jul 26, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know the author is almost of age

But I would not recommend using a fake to buy a keg at Dirty John’s. Almost got me arrested.

Yes, I was that stupid to try.

by Duez I say on Jul 26, 2010 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, you don't want to be on the wall of shame

or whatever they call the assemblage of fakes behind the counter.

by PackerHawk on Jul 26, 2010 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cheap is for me.

Busch Light and Natty Light

I'm not here for a long time, I'm here for a good time.

by Kinnicktailgater on Jul 25, 2010 11:44 AM CDT reply actions  

I tend to prefer "cold and gold" for beers...

so that may sway my advice.

However, I must say that I enjoy these beers that should be pretty easily found (not just tolerate, but enjoy them):

Michelob ShockTop

Sam Adams Cherry Wheat or Winter Lager (try to get freshest ones, and I like to make them really cold.)

Landshark Lager

Harp Lager (made by Guinness. Again, get the freshest ones possible.)

Stella Artois (Again, fresh and from the tap is probably best.)

Also, a Saint Bernardus is pretty good, although probably harder to find. I think it was the Abt 12 that I had from the tap. Here is the website, and I’m pretty sure that John’s Grocery and maybe some HyVee Wine & Spirits carry them:
http://www.sintbernardus.be/en/beers.html

And yes, if you haven’t been to John’s Grocery in IC, it is probably worth it the next time you are in town. I haven’t been there, but I have a friend who stops there about once every 6-8 weeks. That same friend has told me that Chimay Blue (Grand Reserve?) is also very good. It will probably be the next non-cheap beer I will try.

I have no real good advice for liquor.

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 25, 2010 2:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Good call with the Landshark and the Stella Arois.

Also along that line is Perroni.

Who's leg do I have to hump to get a drink around here?-Brian

by fliphawk4 on Jul 27, 2010 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Up until Saint Bernadus

you essentially listed my most-hated beers. Congrats?

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Jul 30, 2010 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Like I said...

I enjoy “cold and gold.” I understand you prefer darker, non-mass-produced stuff from an earlier thread (during World Cup?)

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 30, 2010 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

No preference on light or dark.

If it’s good it’s good. In fact, one of my favorite beers is Pilsner Urquell (can only, not bottle…a topic for a later discussion).

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Jul 31, 2010 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting.

I never considered that it could be good in a can. Of course, living in Iowa and having only had it skunked from the bottle, I should have assumed it must be better from a can with no light damage.

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 31, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

DING! DING! DING!

better from a can with no light damage

And there it is! Despite common misconceptions, canned beer doesn’t taste metallic…unless you’re actually drinking it from the can. If craft brewers could get rid of the public beliefs regarding canned beer they would all do it because it a) guarantees the product gets to the consumer at its freshest (no light damage or faulty capping issues) and b) it is much more environmentally responsible due to the vast difference in weight between aluminum and glass i.e. it requires more fuel to get fewer bottles shipped to wherever they may be headed.

More and more craft brewers (including 2008’s Craft Brewery of the Year, Surly Brewing Co. of Brooklyn Park, MN) are going to cans exclusively. Surly specifically prints on their product “beer from a can for a glass”.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Jul 31, 2010 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I must admit...

when I drink beer from a can, I don’t use a glass. I’ll have to start.

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 31, 2010 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Unless it's complete shit beer that you're just trying to pound

beer should always be drunk from a glass. No, this is in no way snobbery but rather science. Much of our sense of “taste” is actually due to our olfactory abilities i.e. smell. While estimates vary on just how much of our perceived sense of taste actually comes from our sense of smell, the low end is typically at about 75% while the high is around 90%. Needless to say, our sense of smell is a huge factor in how anything, let alone beer, tastes. The human tongue is only able to detect bitter, salty, sweet and sour, so without the benefit of our noses the sense of “taste” is severely inhibited. This is why when we have a head cold or sinus infection our ability to taste is significantly dampened. Observe:

Ah, yes, the old beer from a bottle. What could be more Blue Collar, All-American? This is perfect for shit beer because the drinkers’ nose is planted firmly above solid glass i.e. the only scent that will be picked up will be through the secondary senses of smell via the “back door” of mouth, wafting the aromas back through the palate in a majorly decreased way. There’s a reason we smell a flower with our nose instead of putting our mouth over it and inhaling deeply (that and it would drastically increase the likelihood of our swallowing a bug).

And here we find this upstanding gentleman enjoying (what appears to be) Pere Jaques from the glass, nose positioned just centimeters from the beer. The brewers’ hard work (and as a brewer I can tell you it is hard work) will not go unrewarded as the imbiber can fully experience the full effect the beer was brewed to provide.

So there’s the long-winded (but totally legit) explanation of drinking from a glass. Don’t even get me started on serving temperature…

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Jul 31, 2010 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Holy shit

is that Walt White aka Heisenberg enjoying that tasty brew?

Seriously though, excellent post.

by PackerHawk on Jul 31, 2010 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Serving temperature, you say?

Please, sir, go on…

Full disclosure: I’ve never been able to drink beer, but I am intrigued by craft beer.

by The Mexican't on Jul 31, 2010 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haven't been able to drink beer?

Gluten intolerance? Religion? Family history? Mouth sewn shut?

Similarly to pouring your beer into a glass, proper serving temperature is really quite logical. Say you smack your head on something. First off, sucks to be you. Secondly, put something cold on it. Why? Because cold has a numbing effect on our bodies. Your tongue is no different in this regard; put something cold on it and it will numb it to a degree, specifically your tastebuds.

Herein lies the great one-two punch of mass-produced, shit beer advertising; what’s best served ice-cold and in the bottle/can? Heinekin! And Corona! And Coors! And MGD and Bud and Labatt’s and…well, you get the picture. Can’t smell + can’t taste + nifty gimmicks (Cold activation! Triple hops brewed! Vortex, FTW!) = fine my most. However, allow that beer to warm up a bit (and I don’t even mean warm, just a bit above freezing) and it starts to taste pretty rank. That’s because warm beer is gross, right? No, it’s because gross beer is easier to detect when warm.

There are many who come back from Europe (specifically, the UK) with complaints of warm, flat beer. First off, this is a disappearing phenomenon as they are actually describing the wonderful and somewhat frightening world of Real Ale, or cask ale. This is an entirely different subject matter so it best be left out of the discussion. In general, what temperature a beer should be drunk at depends entirely on the type.

The temperature is almost directly correlated to the ABV (alcohol by volume). As a general rule (can’t stress the “general” enough), the stronger the beer the warmer it is to be served. On the cold end of the spectrum (40 degrees) are your lagers (Bavarian and Bohemian Pilseners, mostly) along with a few odd balls like the California Common (most famously, Anchor Steam Beer [any Iowan beer-lover should know its story]) or several higher-carbonation Belgian styles. The majority of other styles clock-in at around 45-50 degrees, which is far from warm but warm enough that your taste buds can actually figure out what’s going on. The third and warmest category (55 degrees) are almost all high-gravity/ABV (read: really fucking strong). These are the Imperial/Double beers, the barley wines and the old ales. They are all “sippers” and are much like dessert wines or digesifs in that they are meant to be savored rather than drunk in large quantities.

How do you get your beer “up to temp”? Three methods:

  1. Have a beer fridge set at whatever temp you find most of your chosen beer to typically be stored at (this is not for everyone/most).
  2. Simply pour and resist drinking it for a few (about 15) minutes. This sounds tough, so maybe you should leave the room while it’s happening.
  3. Warm it with your hands. Seriously, this is easily the most effective way to get your beer where it’s supposed to be. Cup the glass in your hands and sip every so often until you can actually taste it. This takes hardly any time at all.

Hell, I’m just glad this discussion is taking place in a Fanpost or I would be seen as an even greater jackass than I’m already perceived to be.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Aug 1, 2010 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Excellent info.

I admire your knowledge. It was fun to learn about Mr. Maytag and the Anchor Steam Brewing Co.

I hope you’ll forgive me if I continue to enjoy many cold, possibly shitty beers in my remaining years. But the next time I have a dark beer or higher-alcohol beer, perhaps I’ll try to let it get just a little closer to room temp.

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by WaterlooChazz on Aug 1, 2010 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Although I don't agree with everything The Director has written

I will agree on this point: if you like it, do it.

However, Chazz, you should keep that limited to beer as I can only imagine what sort of trouble that philosophy could get you into.

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by Kyle McCann't on Aug 1, 2010 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

@ McCann't

Believe it or not, I’m pretty mild-mannered in real life.

Thanks for the beer knowledge/advice.

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Aug 1, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

One last point (and I swear I'm done),

try to get over the “dark beer” concept. You can’t taste a color. True, many darker brews fall into the categories of beers that should be served at warmer temperatures. However, there are beers like Negra Modelo or Great Lakes’ Elliot Ness that are simply lagers that use a darker grain bill. Drink ‘em cold, they’re delicious.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Aug 1, 2010 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

I guess I should've said I've never enjoyed drinking beer.

I’m that guy that has to bring a bottle of vodka to a party because I refuse to drink from the keg.

Anyway, thanks for the info.

by The Mexican't on Aug 1, 2010 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

I refuse to drink from the keg.

You’re allowed to have them put it in a cup for you…

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by Kyle McCann't on Aug 1, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

OH! That's what the problem was.

I could never lift the damn thing, it was so frustrating. I wish I’d have known sooner.

by The Mexican't on Aug 1, 2010 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Far and away your best work

Hat tip for some lovely sharing of kennolege.

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by jtothep on Aug 2, 2010 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

WARNING: "good beer" is a little nebulous.

Because you have to know the style in order to know how it should taste. Some Belgian beers are world class, but taste sour—because they’re supposed to! If you don’t know that, you’ll hate it.

I would group beers like this:

WHEATS, HOPPY ALES, AMBERS, PALE ALES, PILSNERS, EXOTICS, and BELGIANS.

These are my own common-sense divisions, so please no beer snobs get all picky on me. For a novice, these are helpful categories.

WHEATS: taste a little like cloves and lemon, are tart, are refreshing. Good American wheats are fairly common; good German wheats abound. The best wheats are hefe-weizens, meaning there’s yeast in the bottle. Also, the best ones use a specific wheat-beer yeast. Try Spaten-Franziskaner as a typical example and see if you like it. Put a slice of lemon in it, and pour in the yeast. Pour it in a tall glass.

PALE ALES: are the day in and day out session-type beer for guys like me. What they have is drinkability and balance: not too hoppy, not too malty. The BEST example I have found is Goose Island Honker’s Ale. But nearly every brewery has a pale ale as their go-to beer: Boulevard, Summit, Goose Island, and Breckenridge are all good examples of pale ales. Sierra Nevada Pale Ale is great, but I fund it is hoppier and belongs in the next category.

HOPPY BEERS: are an up and coming category. A good example is Sierra Nevada Pale Ale, or a hoppy IPA-style. Three Floyds is at the extremely hoppy end of the spectrum. They have a strong hop “bite” that is great, but takes time for some to get used to. Most American IPA’s fit into this category.

AMBERS: these are the malty, less hoppy brown beers you see on the shelf, a category in which I’ll also include brown ales. Good examples include Fat Tire, Newcastle Brown Ale, Samuel Smith Nut Brown Ale, Goose Island’s brown ale—there’s a million of them. They’re easy to drink and usually pretty tasty, though not as refreshing as a pale ale or wheat.

PILSNERS: these are your straw-colored Stella Artois, Warsteiner, Pilsner Urquell, Budweiser, Miller High Life, and so on. The best versions are probably foreign, from Bohemia or Germany. The key words for these are FRESHNESS and NON-EXPOSURE TO LIGHT. If you buy Pilsner Urquell, make sure it is still in the box and it is fresh.

EXOTICS: in this category go stouts, fruit beers, flavored beers, witbiers (like Blue Moon) and so on. In other words, not for everyone—either you like them or you don’t. Frankly, you simply have to experiment and make note of the style to see if you like it.

BELGIANS: like the exotics, not for everyone. There are a million different styles to choose from (strong light ale, strong dark ale, sour Flemish ale, Trappist, lambics, etc) and, again, you have to experiment a bit. Be warned: some are supposed to taste odd, all are likely to be pretty strong in alcohol, and all are likely to be expensive. My advice: explore this category LAST.

Exception: serve women Lindemann’s Framboise Lambic in a champagne flute with some good chocolates at hand and they will love you forever.

Anyway, that’s a quick beer primer for what’s on shelves. My go-to beers are:

1. Any good pale ale or pilsner that’s fresh. Goose Island puts dates on their labels, which is a Godsend. I will not pass up a Honker’s Ale that’s been bottled in the last 8 weeks. A fresh okay beer is better than a stale high class beer.

2. Wheat beers are refreshing in summer, especially. Seek out a hefeweizen and go nuts on a hot day. Almost any German brand is good, and many good American brands exist (Sierra Nevada Keller-Weiss is a prime example).

3. Czech pilsners are wonderful, if you can get them fresh. Urquell is the original (literally), but there are legion other brands and all are great. German pilsners are also good (Warsteiner, Bitburger) as is Stells Artois from Belgium.

Caveats: English beers do NOT travel, especially the pale ales. Newcastle travels better, but most other ales usually do not. Buy them with caution.

Caveats: the stronger the beer, the better it keeps, which is why Belgian beers hold up pretty well. However, that means that most foreign ales/pilsners, or less-bought American brews on your local shelf may be stale and out-dated.

Buy beer that seems to “move” off the shelf, or beer that you know has just arrived.

Bargain beers: a dollar per beer is a great price for a microbrewed six-pack, though $7 per sixer is a more common bargain to be found. I won’t pay more than $8 a six-pack for philosophical reasons, even fresh Honker’s Ale.

A solid bargain line of beers include the Michelob beers, Bud American Ale, Boulevard beers, James Page beers, Point beers, and Schell beers (Schell is a WAY underrated brewery). They’re pretty solid and won’t break the bank, usually. Michelob’s hefe-weizen is a real standout, if you can find it. Point’s Cascade Pale Ale is like a junior version of Sierra Nevada, but cheaper.

Anyone, sorry for the long post. Just felt like rambling, I guess.

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by The Director on Jul 25, 2010 5:06 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

I copied and pasted this into Word...

and printed this out. My goodness… I’ve got an excellent homework assignment now!

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by EnergizerHawk on Jul 25, 2010 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey, I'm just a little older than some of you, that's all.

I’ve done most of my beer tasting over the last 15 years and, really, almost all of it was essentially done between 1995-2005. It’s not hard to do: just make a point of trying something new each time. A good way to do that is with “mix your own” 6-packs, taking one of each. You could go through all of the beers I mentioned by name in a single year if you wanted.

I recommend, too, that anyone serious about beer drinking/sampling/hunting buy a couple of good Michael Jackson beer books (no, not the dead guy with one glove—the OTHER MJ). They’re fascinating and a great place to start learning about the world’s great beers, as opposed to just settling for the “U.S.’s great beer plus Guinness and Corona and Heineken.”

Another fun thing is to subscribe to ALL ABOUT BEER magazine for a year or two. Really gets you up to speed on things as well.

All of that being said, I still buy the freshest beer available, whether it’s at Hy-Vee, a fancy liquor/beer store, or Aldi’s. Fresh beats stale every time.

"If you want to become a man--come to Iowa" All American IOWA LB PAT ANGERER, whose best friend is a dog.

by The Director on Jul 26, 2010 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great post

But one thing, don’t put citrus in a true German hefe. I will hunt you down and squeeze the citrus juice in your eye after the acidity ruins the head on your beer. Most American hefes tend to not use the wheat-specific yeast and/or lack the settled yeast in the bottle (an important feature). They therefore lack the sweet/citrus/clove tones of their German brethren and adding the lemon makes up for it. However, I still consider it sacrilege. Sorry to rant, but the lemon debate allows no gray area and I’m rather settled on my side of the debate.

Also, I’ll make a plug for the home of my favorite beer, Great Dane Brew Pub’s Crop Circle Wheat. A true German hefe, and fucking spectacular. Once you’ve had it you can’t go back to Boulevard Wheat. Unfortunately, they only serve at their restaurants in Madison and wholesale to restaurants in Wisconsin. But if you ever find yourself in Madison (or at the airport on a layover), they are a must stop destination.

by PackerHawk on Jul 26, 2010 4:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, you CAN put lemon in a hefe-weizen!

The Germans themselves doctor-up their Berliner Weiss beers with raspberry syrup or woodruff syrup, and have been known to put lemon in their hefe-weizens as well. It’s a matter of taste more than a matter of beer etiquette.

What I do is put the lemon in the BOTTOM of the glass, and then poor the beer in. You still get a great head plus the lemon.

You are right on about the yeast: many American wheats don’t use the correct yeast, though thankfully plenty do. Boulevard does not, I recall. I’m confident the Sierra Nevada Keller-Weisse does, though.

"If you want to become a man--come to Iowa" All American IOWA LB PAT ANGERER, whose best friend is a dog.

by The Director on Jul 26, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know enough about yeasts to know if I'm referring to what you're talking about...

…I just remember the first time I had a Sierra Nevada Pale Ale I poured it into my extra tall beer glass (it’s like 22 oz or something) and I saw all of the little yeast-ies floating around in there and was like “Whoa, that ain’t a Budweiser.” It was delicious.

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 26, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Some breweries keep yeast in the bottle even if it's not a wheat beer...

…..though most of the time one keeps the yeast in the bottle when pouring unless it’s a hefe-weizen. Like with Belgian beers, many of whom have yeast in the bottle: pour slowly in a single pour, except the last half-ounce of so which will keep the yeast in the bottle.

I can’t recall if Sierra Nevada Pale Ale is bottled with the yeast, though it very well may be. I have yet to have a SN beer that wasn’t world class in any event.

One final note on hefe-weizens: I usually do not have them with lemon, though I sometimes do if lemon is on hand (it’s just a taste that I like). Purists would probably say without—PackerHawk is evidently a purist—but there are enough persons in the US and Europe that drink them with lemon, that IMO there’s nothing wrong with it. The only place where you’d be “gauche” for doing so is Bavaria.

My philosophy: if you like it, do it.

"If you want to become a man--come to Iowa" All American IOWA LB PAT ANGERER, whose best friend is a dog.

by The Director on Jul 26, 2010 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I'm a Hefe-purist
My philosophy: if you like it, do it.

But that pretty much sums up a good drinking philosophy.

by PackerHawk on Jul 26, 2010 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Other than the Kellerweis

all of SN’s beers are filtered. Bell’s, on the other hand, filters almost nothing. Their Third Coast Beer is flat-out chunky (although it’s awfully good). It’s really up to the brewer as, so long as the yeast doesn’t find its way into the glass, there is no real difference in taste.

On the topic of American wheat beers, no one does them better than Dan Carey at New Glarus. From the Crack’d Wheat (American) to the Dancing Man (American/Bavarian Hybrid) to his one-offs, Imperial Weizen and Berliner Weiss as well as a host of others, the man turns wheat into (liquid) gold.

Oddly enough, the single best American version of the Bavarian Hefeweizen is (for my money) Live Oak’s Hefeweizen out of Austin, TX. It’s only available on draft but is justifiably sought-after.

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by Kyle McCann't on Jul 31, 2010 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well Said.
Whoa, that ain’t a Budweiser.

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by EnergizerHawk on Jul 26, 2010 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1 for PackerHawk

Great Dane does good work. Food’s pretty solid, too, as I recall. I will have to make a point of returning when next I come back to Madtown.

by MotorHawk on Jul 26, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Food is very good pub fare

I make sure I go at least once every time I go back to vist the ’rents.

by PackerHawk on Jul 27, 2010 2:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

When are we going out drinking?

I’m thirsty!

Who's leg do I have to hump to get a drink around here?-Brian

by fliphawk4 on Jul 27, 2010 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Taking the advice in a different direction

Find out for yourself! I don’t mean that in a confrontational way, I mean, you’re 21 and already interested in the good stuff. That’s great! So experiment with Belgians, IPAs, ales, microbrews, mass-market stuff, whatever. Only you are going to know what you enjoy.

Or hell, you might even be a wine, whiskey, or wodka person. The world is your cocktail. Go discover.

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by Adam Jacobi on Jul 25, 2010 5:24 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

That was my problem

I mean of the beers I’ve tried in the past (mostly beers like Coors,Miller,Bud) I thought they were all shitty, and then I tried Guinness, and I was like whoa, this is good, so my opinion of beer has become one of trying everything, and finding out what I like, I do the same thing with cigars. Anyways, thanks to everybody for the help, I was kind of hoping for a large response.

Tigers love pepper... they hate cinnamon.

by White Lightning on Jul 26, 2010 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

If you like Guinness, try these

New Belgium 1554
Ayinger Celebrator Doppelbock
Old Rasputin Russian Imperial Stout
Samuel Smith Oatmeal Stout
Rogue Shakespeare Stout
Young’s Double Chocolate Stout
Anchor Porter
Fuller’s London Porter
Three Floyds Dark Lord
Big Sky Ivan the Terrible
Trappistes Rochefort 8

Brunettes not fighter jets

by rockyh on Jul 26, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Young's Double Chocolate Stout

Phenomenal beer, and even better when 50/50’ed with a raspberry Lambic. Best dessert beer ever? Best dessert beer ever.

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by Twin Cities Hawk on Jul 28, 2010 7:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Pretty sure El Bait Shop serves this

Their beer selection is fucking exquisite.

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by Adam Jacobi on Jul 30, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you're ever in Houston, you should check out...

the Flying Saucer

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by EnergizerHawk on Jul 30, 2010 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, look at that, they've got more!

Locations
Bier list for Houston

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by EnergizerHawk on Jul 30, 2010 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've been told this many times

The next time I’m back home, I’ll have to pay them a visit to see for myself.

"I know you're from Middle America, and sometimes you feel like you're representing more than just a school or a conference, maybe an entire group of American citizens out there."

by Twin Cities Hawk on Aug 4, 2010 7:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dessert beer?

How about beer for dessert? If you haven’t tried beer floats you’re robbing yourself. A few suggestions:

Old Rasputin w/ coffee ice cream
Weinstephaner Hefeweizen w/ blueberry or strawberry ice cream
Capital Dark Lager w/ chocolate ice cream
Goose Island Pere Jaques w/ vanilla ice cream (tastes like eggnog)

The list is pretty much endless, but those are a few “sure things”. Go for a one-to-one ratio and you’re golden.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Jul 30, 2010 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Damn, good call

I have a singular New Glarus Unplugged Cherry Stout left in the cellar that disappointed tremendously by itself, but I’ll have to give a second look to using it in a float.

"I know you're from Middle America, and sometimes you feel like you're representing more than just a school or a conference, maybe an entire group of American citizens out there."

by Twin Cities Hawk on Aug 4, 2010 7:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, man.

I actually love that beer on its own. Smells like Robitussin, tastes like gold.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Aug 5, 2010 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I picked up a four pack and wished I only bought a single bottle

I gave it three chances to get better and each time, I thought it got worse. It smells and tastes like Robitussin; I also thought it could do better with a bit more ABV to offset the sweet flavorsl.

But pairing it with a sharp Vanilla Bean ice cream could definitely resurrect itself in my eyes.

"I know you're from Middle America, and sometimes you feel like you're representing more than just a school or a conference, maybe an entire group of American citizens out there."

by Twin Cities Hawk on Aug 6, 2010 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is a great approach.
my opinion of beer has become one of trying everything, and finding out what I like…

I think this is the right mindset. Better yet, find some friends with a similar midset about beer and pool your resources and knowledge. You can all buy a six pack or two or something you’ve been really wanting to try and then you can all taste it at the same time and compare notes.

The most important thing here is to keep an open mind. The best part of tasting with friends (other than the beer itself) is when you love a beer that someone else hates. That moment helps you recognize that taste is not universal. Everyone has beers that he likes and doesn’t like. Once you get rid of the judgment you can focus on learning what you actually like to drink.

Cheers!

by Abbas_Cincinnatus on Jul 26, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Beat me to it!

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by Kyle McCann't on Jul 26, 2010 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you're "sampling" the whole bottle

you might find that the beers get better as the evening goes on.

by PackerHawk on Jul 26, 2010 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Guinness was my "gateway" beer.

Now I can hardly drink the stuff but I’m forever grateful that it opened my palate up to the possibilities out there.

One idea (that sounds nerdy, but is actually really fun) is to have a tasting. I’ve done themed tastings (Belgian beers, stouts/porters, “summer” beers, etc.) where I get a good selection (if you’re in IC, John’s is the obvious choice, if you’re in the Twin Cities or Chicago I can write you a laundry list of great shops), come up with an order, invite a couple of friends over (4-5 is a good number to get different perspectives) and then pour small samples for everyone. It’s amazing how we can develop ideas of what beer is/can be when we talk or write about it. The tasting option is fun because it allows for an opportunity to try a number of different offerings alongside one another which helps develop our ideas of what we like.

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by Kyle McCann't on Jul 26, 2010 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have a friend...

who recently tried Guinness mixed with root beer (I think 1919 root beer from a keg). He said it was surprisingly good. I will be trying it soon.

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 26, 2010 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

A little bit of Guinness is actually fantastic

in a bloody mary. No joke.

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by Kyle McCann't on Jul 27, 2010 2:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

I could see that,

its also great in chili.

Tigers love pepper... they hate cinnamon.

by White Lightning on Jul 27, 2010 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Did someone spike your Guiness w/ Coke?

"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me

by BStylin Hawkye on Jul 27, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wish I could say yes.

I was half in the bag when someone convinced me that the two went well together. They don’t.

However, I was in a similar situation when someone convinced me to drop a shot of Jamieson into my Guinness. That ended much more favorably.

by Abbas_Cincinnatus on Jul 27, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

My buddy calls that the Irish Car Bomb...

And for good reason.

Who's leg do I have to hump to get a drink around here?-Brian

by fliphawk4 on Jul 27, 2010 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

an irish car bomb

Is 3/4 pint of Guinness
3/4 shot of Jamieson
1/4 shot of Bally’s irish cream

drop the shot in the beer, chug, repeat, blackout

Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face

by psupride on Jul 28, 2010 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is the formula

The curdling Bailey’s forces you to chug quickly.

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by IPeeBlackAndGold on Jul 28, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well everybody knows that.

After you’ve gone to all the trouble of refining it with a razor blade and arranging it into neat little lines why would you dump it into a beer? Although Paul Hogan did show us it’s great for relieving congestion in Crocodile Dundee.

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by Kyle McCann't on Jul 27, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Don't get hung up on one brand/style/taste

Don’t trap yourself by saying “this is the best beer, spirit. wine, etc…” All drinks are situational. When you are really freakin’ hot after whatever outdoor activity a really cold domestic lite beer is really good but if you sit down with a steak and Old Style Light it will suck.

Food and wine pairing gets all the headlines and is interesting to discover but beer can be paired just as well. You can drink a beer by itself and not be terribly impressed, take the same beer while you are eating something else and it is delicious.

Don’t let anyone act like a dick around you when you are trying new drinks, wines or mircobrews. There are plenty of “experts” that like to offer opinions about what you are drinking but most people who love this stuff will help; not insult. The guys at John’s are great, know their stuff and understand that when you are looking for a $10 bottle of wine that means you don’t want the really good $35 bottle that blows away the $10 bottle.

Finally there is a not so new trend of bars opening that have 30-60 beers on tap. These places are your friends and excellent places to try new stuff. Tell the bartender what type or styles of beer you like, what you ordered for food and let them serve you what they choose, typically they will hook you up.

Too high? What do you mean too high?

by The Bacon Explosion on Jul 27, 2010 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

A little note.

Not sure if they do it where you are or if there is even a Hy-Vee where you are. But here in Waterloo, Hy-vee wine and spirits holds a free wine tasting once a month. They usually have 8-9 different bottles to try and REALLY good bargains on the stuff you do try. They also have people from winerys there to answer any questions. Also Hy-Vee wine and spirits has a Beer and Liquor tasting once a month that is really similar. Good place to go to “try” things you wouldnt ordinarily give a chance too.

Who's leg do I have to hump to get a drink around here?-Brian

by fliphawk4 on Jul 27, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1 for

All drinks are situational.

Ohio State has the worst fans in the Big Ten. Bar none. And it’s not even close. Humorless in defeat. Condescending in victory. Generally insecure all the time. I’ve partied and had fun with fans of every team in this league, save Ohio State.

by jtothep on Aug 2, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Beer is gross...

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Jul 26, 2010 3:38 AM CDT reply actions  

Your mom IS beer

I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks

by Adam Jacobi on Jul 26, 2010 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Insert "head" joke here.

Your move.

"If you want to become a man--come to Iowa" All American IOWA LB PAT ANGERER, whose best friend is a dog.

by The Director on Jul 26, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

She always goes down smooth

boom

No self-respecting man from Iowa goes anywhere without beer

by Hayden Fry's Moustache Ride on Jul 26, 2010 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I had your mommmm...

She’s goood!

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by EnergizerHawk on Jul 26, 2010 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

So many ways to go here

but if you’re an Iowan, it must start with beer. Start cheap, so you can appreciate what good beer or booze is. I don’t know what they sell back there any more, but my lowest common denominator was Old Style. Once you have gone though this baptism of sorts, these “fancy” beers all sound pretty cool.

Personally, after that first beer, I would be temped to move on up.

The really high class stuff is single malt scotch. I started on this about 10 years ago, and I don’t drink much else. But it’s an acquired taste. You may not want this yet.

If you’re 21 and want to see what inebriation is like, find a bar that serves really good long island iced teas. If they’re good, two is all it will take. One will make you quite happy.

A fella steps out for a two pound burrito and all hell breaks loose.

by Mr. Grizz on Jul 26, 2010 12:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Oh, if you're into ordering stuff online...

…get some REAL (not the tourist-y American stuff) absinthe. I’m not kidding.
If you get the real thing with a good amount of wormwood (has to come from europe) you’ll have a tasty liquer that tastes like black liquorice (similar to Jagermeister) that gives you a nice body buzz and makes your head feel slightly floaty (like a good champagne high). Be careful if you ever go this route, because a lot of people get shitty absinthe and don’t like any part of it, but a good brand gets you a label that tastes good, gives a good drunk with only minimal hangover if you over-do it (I’ve never experienced this) and a great and unique “high” that complements the experience.
The best part is coming up with your own version of the ritual of preparation (I’m sure you can find out about that using the intertubes if you decide- – I’ve already created a wall of text).

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 26, 2010 2:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Anybody know the current laws for Iowa?

Or where might I be able to find that information?

Tigers love pepper... they hate cinnamon.

by White Lightning on Jul 26, 2010 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fortunately I'm bored at my third shift job

So you avoided my standard “google it” comment.

Iowa Liquor Laws

A short explanation of bootlegging can be found towards the bottom, under the section “Legal Articles” with the title Bootlegging Across State Lines. Basically, you can only order wine through the mail and only if the shipping state has a reciprocal shipping law with Iowa. No beer or spirits. I’d guess that absinthe from overseas probably won’t fly.

by PackerHawk on Jul 27, 2010 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

These laws seem pretty archaic

I can kind of understand the whole minors orderering over the internet, but UPS drivers don’t have the proper training to check ids? Come on, its 5 words "Can I see your i.d.?

Tigers love pepper... they hate cinnamon.

by White Lightning on Jul 27, 2010 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yep.

Iowa really needs to get with the times. It seems like you can’t read the newspapers (or their online versions) without seeing an article or two per week about Iowa wineries, or breweries, or distilleries, or places that sell the stuff. If we are a state that has that many of those, as well as retail outlets, I think we can tolerate having a few more beers available.

And I’m normally very suspicious of substance-related issues.

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 27, 2010 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's happening slowly but surely.

Iowa just lifted its ABV cap for beers brewed in-state which means Iowa should hopefully have some serious craft breweries to stand alongside the rest of its Midwestern brethren (sorry Millstream).

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by Kyle McCann't on Jul 27, 2010 3:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don't ever order wine to be shipped in the summer

Total waste of money. After wine sits in 90 degree heat for an hour or so it all tastes about the same. Only ship stuff in in the winter. Doesn’t make that much difference with spirits, but wine and beer suffer greatly with heat

Too high? What do you mean too high?

by The Bacon Explosion on Jul 27, 2010 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Black Label all the way

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by Leftcoast Hawk on Jul 26, 2010 11:43 PM CDT reply actions  

What ever you do

Don’t get into the single malts like McCallum. No going back.

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by bolthawk on Jul 27, 2010 12:53 AM CDT reply actions  

It's True.

Dangerously expensive too. The difference between single-malt and blended is really astounding.

by Bridgeloan on Jul 27, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Macallan is just the tip of the iceberg.

I have “expensive” taste in beer but I’ve always said that if I actually had money I would drink little else but Scotch.

Currently, this is the best thing in my collection with this as a close 2nd. Scotch, Scotch, Scotch, I love Scotch…

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Jul 30, 2010 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh my word, dude

That Old Pulteney looks delectable.

You’ve garnered quite a few new cool points in this thread.

Ohio State has the worst fans in the Big Ten. Bar none. And it’s not even close. Humorless in defeat. Condescending in victory. Generally insecure all the time. I’ve partied and had fun with fans of every team in this league, save Ohio State.

by jtothep on Aug 2, 2010 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's about paying it forward.

I didn’t know anything when I really started to get into this stuff (about 7 years ago). However, by going into stores and bars and finding people who weren’t trying to sell me something per se but just sharing their enthusiasm about the things they clearly loved has a lasting effect.

All potables, but beer especially, have vibrant and active communities all over the place. The Midwest especially is home to beer-tasting groups, homebrewers clubs, beer festivals et al. that spring up seemingly every day. Just get out there and explore and don’t be afraid to try new things; one of my favorite beers is one I spit out the first time I tried it.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Aug 2, 2010 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Shipping Liquor

You can have up to one liter of liquor shipeed to you. You can bring up to 4 liters into Iowa if “personally obtained” outside the US.

by Henrik Holger on Jul 27, 2010 9:05 AM CDT reply actions  

Most People Talked about Beer..

So I will try to mix it up a little bit.

Whiskey Sour

Now, while there are those out there who may frown on the Whiskey Sour, I find it to be the best treatment for a sipping bourbon. The one valid criticism of the drink is that unlike other Mixed Drinks (a rum and coke for example) the goal of the drink is to put the bourbon on stage, rather then hide its flavor in some diluted mixture. If you are newer to alcohol, the noticeable flavor of liquor may be unpleasant. Feel free to dilute the below to taste.

There are three keys to a solid Whiskey Sour: Not crappy sour mix (harder to find then you think), a Bourbon with character, and a heavy rocks glass to enjoy it out of. My suggestions:

1. I like sour mixes that are not pre-mixed. In others words, little to no water. My favorite is Port of Call (that I have found here in Iowa). It is a clear bottle with a white label that has a taste that isn’t so vile and sugary when mixed up with the correct amount of water.

Or…if you are truly brave…try making it yourself.

2. Bourbon: Really cheap? Ten High.

I don’t recommend it, but if you are on a budget, it is going to get you near to the right taste. Jim Bean doesn’t have the same sour mash taste to it that goes so well with sour mix.

Middle of the Road: Buffalo Trace.

It has a strong but sophisticated flavor for around $24 a bottle. You can taste the caramel notes and almost a slight nuttiness to it.

High Ground:

Naturally, if you are going to be drinking a high-end whiskey sour in Iowa, you might as well buy Templeton Rye (if you can find a bottle, limited batch production). More then $30.

3. You should be able to find a glass from a company like Riddell at a local Target so you can have swagger like a proper gentleman.

As for the ratio of ingredients in the glass, I’d say 2 shots of Bourbon with 2 shots of the unmixed sour mix, with 2-3 shots of water to mellow of the sour over 6-8 ice cubes. Throw it all in a cocktail shaker with ice, and shake it until foamy. You need the water from the ice to make it sipable if you made it strong enough.

If you are a fan of Mad Men, Mr. Don Draper frequently enjoys an Old Fashioned, which is the sophisticated cousin of a Whiskey Sour. You can use the same glass and Bourbon, but you will need to step up your bartending game a little lot. You will need the same two shots of whiskey, a couple dashes of bitters (available most everywhere liquor is sold, just ask) a little water, a small touch of sugar or simple syrup, and a cherry and an orange slice for color if you so desire.

Enjoy!

by Bridgeloan on Jul 27, 2010 12:26 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

A classic drink, really popular years ago

when I was growing up in the midwest. Go out to dinner with the parents, Dad had a “sour”. Several neighbors, when they got home from work, had a “sour” on the dot at 5:30. When I come back every other year or so, I still have a relative who is ready for his “sour” at 5-6 at night.

A fella steps out for a two pound burrito and all hell breaks loose.

by Mr. Grizz on Jul 28, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've heard the Buffalo Trace is good,

the local liquer store in Jackson that I went to yesterday actually hand-picked their own barrel (which is something I’ve seen available from almost every brand-name bourbon or whiskey, Jack, Maker’s, etc.) and then they sent the barrel to the local brewery, Snake River Brewery, and they aged beer in it and now they sell that in the store as well. I know Templeton Rye partnered with Boulevard in a similar situation for Boulevard’s Smokestack Series, Rye on Rye was the name of that beer, I heard it was quite tasty.

Tigers love pepper... they hate cinnamon.

by White Lightning on Jul 28, 2010 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cant go wrong with the Samuel Jackson...

representing a whole group of people out there

by IPeeBlackAndGold on Jul 27, 2010 2:47 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

So you're saying it's always a "good muthafuckin' choice"?

Mmm, mmm, bitch!

representing a whole group of people out there

by IPeeBlackAndGold on Jul 27, 2010 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

how's it taste

muthafuckas???

Gotta get up to get down

by Gustav on Jul 28, 2010 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Turned 21 a little over a month ago, and haven't branched out that much

by my staple is the 1.75L handle of Svedka ($25 at my local Hy-Vee), grab a couple 2Ls of pop, or jugs of OJ/Lemonade and it’s ~40 shots worth of booze that’ll actually taste good for not much over $30.

A shot or two of Triple Sec in Sprite/Sierra Mist is my favorite for sitting around with no plans or as a side drink while playing drinking games.

Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.

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by shake n bake on Jul 27, 2010 4:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Sweetwater

Get the Road Trip, or 420. Both are favorites from Georgia. Also, it was pretty sweet beating GT. Let’s just say I made some money

by beaconhawks on Jul 28, 2010 8:01 AM CDT reply actions  

Just wanted to say thanks for everybody's contributions,

I will be able to use this post as reference when I go shopping. My first bourbon purchase turned out to be Bulleit Bourbon, its a lot stronger than I expected, my first bottle of wine was an 07 Elk Cove Pinot Noir, which paired nicely with the elk chops I had for dinner, my first beer purchase was Grand Teton Brewing Co.’s Teton Ale, nothing too special but it does the trick.

Tigers love pepper... they hate cinnamon.

by White Lightning on Jul 29, 2010 7:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Are you allowed to drink an 07 bottle if you became legal in 10? /corny

Happy hunting out there, so far as I can tell it’s a valuable lifetime journey.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Jul 29, 2010 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Elk chops?

That’s gotta be some damn tasty stuff.

Going, going, going, going, going, going, going, going.... Alright, I'll stop for now.

by EnergizerHawk on Jul 29, 2010 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

One last suggestion (since you obviously don't have enough already)

Barley Wine. Especially since it sounds like you have access to game meat (you do live in Wyoming, right?). Nice hearty flavor, perfect for game or other robust flavors.

by PackerHawk on Jul 30, 2010 7:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't read...

all the above so if I repeat another post…back in my drinking days the absolute best bourbon I ever drank was called “Rebel Yell”. You could only buy it south of the Mason Dixon line. It was smoooooth.

And beer? Anything but Schlitz.

by Zulu on Jul 30, 2010 10:00 AM CDT reply actions  

Miller Lite

Why drink old when you can drink from the new vortex bottle??

Nobody makes me bleed my own blood, Nobody!

by tlrpsu on Jul 30, 2010 7:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Beers & Spirits

I’m tardy to the party, but I’m rather fond of the Franziskaner hefe-weissen, until recently, sold in a full Imperial pint bottle. Now they only sell standard bottles and have rebranded it Weisbier. But it remains outstanding, a nice summer beer.

by hawkeyeinstl on Aug 4, 2010 1:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Utopias

I’ve never had it because well…I don’t feel like dropping $300 for a bottle of beer…or should I say kettle of beer.

A friend had mentioned this to me a while back and I discarded it because…well…I was loaded at the time. Then I saw it on the History Channel and did about 2 minutes worth of Google research.

For those who aren’t already familiar with it…here a couple of quick “facts”:

Produced by Sam Adams.

Claimed to be the strongest beer in the world at 27% Alcohol by Volume in the 2009 batch.

Produces no foam…some say it is actually more similar to Brandy than beer.

Wikipedia says it’s not offered in Iowa among other states due to legal restrictions. I’m not sure if that means it’s illegal to possess or not…I’m guess just illegal to sell it.

Suggested Retail Price of 1 kettle in 2009 batch – $150. Realistically it’s pretty f’n hard to get a hold of and you’d probably have to pay at least twice that to actually acquire a bottle.

by HawKCP on Aug 9, 2010 6:12 PM CDT reply actions  

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