Big Ten Reportedly Hits First Home Run Of Expansion, Snags Nebraska
by Adam Jacobi on Jun 9, 2010 7:01 AM CDT
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PrintThe Omaha World-Herald has become the first media outlet who's willing to act on the whispers that had circulated yesterday. According to the OWH, Nebraska is headed to the Big Ten, maybe as soon as Friday:
An executive at a Big 12 school relayed to The World-Herald on Tuesday that he expects Nebraska to become a member of the Big Ten as early as Friday.
NU Chancellor Harvey Perlman has declined all interviews about conference realignment and expansion. He is expected to address the topic with the Board of Regents at its Friday meeting in Lincoln.
Direct confirmation from Nebraska of a conference change for the Huskers wasn't immediately available. Sources at two other Big 12 schools told The World-Herald that their athletic directors have instructed them to be ready by week's end for a briefing on probable Big 12 changes.
Nebraska's basically done issuing flat denials at this point; that, plus the fact that the OWH is pegging this rumor to multiple (yes, unnamed) athletic directors means that we're going to forgo the usual embargo on unnamed sources when it comes to expansion rumors. This is doubly so because we're just going to go out on a limb and guess that the Big XII doesn't have quite the message discipline that the Big Ten's got these days.
Assuming the rumor is true, credit must go where it's due: while he never claimed to be working from active intelligence, Law Buckeye at The Rivalry Esq. totally nailed this as step one of a Big Ten plan. All indications are that Texas has been waiting for Nebraska to make the first step in order to save face; why else do you think that despite the far more actionable Pac-16 rumors, UT was never put under an ultimatum? So here it is, Nebraska making the first step.
At this point, the only question left is which next home run the Big Ten hits. If Texas jets to the Pac-10 and it takes most of the XII South with it, that probably sets off enough alarms in South Bend that independence is effectively obsolete. Then the Big Ten's got 13 members and can choose from Kansas, Mizzou, Pitt, Syracuse, and Rutgers to get to 14 or 16.
On the other hand, Texas may use the opportunity to tell its legislature that this turmoil is its perfect opportunity to join the Big Ten--a league more aligned with Texas' priorities and time zone than the Pac-10, and far more with the priorities than the SEC. Heck, with enough of a sweetheart deal between the school and legislature, Texas and Texas A&M could solve The Tech Problem, even if Jim Delany's initial vision didn't involve strictly moving west.
In either situation, we think Nebraska's not only a mammoth addition on their own, but the gateway to yet another "hr addition." But that's all speculation for another day
For now, Nebraska: we haven't forgotten three things.
First, this play, with a 35-0 lead and a hair over five minutes to play:
Second, that we had the score at 14-13 one play before the half the very next year, while that legendary fanbase booed until Crouch bailed Nebraska out;
Third, that there's been precisely two Nebraska teams since then that would have beaten their Iowa counterparts ('01, '06). This rivalry is long overdue. Anytime, anywhere. Let the hate begin.
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Sounds good to me.
I’d love to have Nebraska join and see them be immediately relegated to middle of the pack.
"Enough of your borax, Poindexter! We need action!"
Nebraska winning at least 7 games every year
Really shows the strength of the Big 12 North.
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Bring 'em on
This makes me happy. I have wanted to play the ’Huskers regularly for a long time.
Life is hard. It's really hard if you're stupid.
Love the addition of Nebraska to the conference
Let the rivalry begin!
"The possibility of physical and mental collapse is now very real. No sympathy for the Devil, keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride." HST
Norm v Bo P.
If last year’s offensive and defensive performances by both teams would be replicated at any time in the future I say the over/under for an Iowa/Nebraska game would be about 11.
More punts than first downs, more injuries than points and more cheerleaders than completed passes.
Too high? What do you mean too high?
by The Bacon Explosion on Jun 9, 2010 7:42 AM CDT reply actions
I've seen that game before
I was at Beaver Stadium in ’04.
"Nothing turns me on like doe estrus." - ReadingRambler
I think it highly probably that Mizzou is on the way to the Big Ten
they are a de facto package deal. Beebe knew it. Now everyone knows it. I think after Missouri it is Syracuse now. Because it is clear to me Delany is taking no prisioners. He wans Notre Dame and by blowing up the Big East he gets them, in bended knee. That leaves Rutgers and 16 teams. But, if Notre Dame puts up a fuss to the revenue sharing…which many speculate they have, then I could see it stop at 14. But 14 is a very odd number for competitive reasons. Of course, 11 was odd for competitive reasons. I still see an East Cast team joining this party if Notre Dame joinis. It allows them to keep those alums happy and in the mix and opens up TV markets.
I’ll be he first to admit, I am surprised by this move. But the more I think about it, the more I think it is a very shrewed move by Delany.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
Also, I think the chess move of Nebraska
suggests that Texas is being courted and that too could freak out the Golden Domers. I don’t want Texas. I think that really sends Iowa down the ladder in so many ways. Notre Dame does not…nor will Nebraska. Those two teams are kind of like Microsoft, a brand EVERYONE knows (and owns) but a stock that you wonder why it is so low priced.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
I’m not sold on Mizzou. It’s almost like they want it too bad, causing Delany to back off. If NE is in, I think Delany’s looking at Rutgers, as you’ve argued passionately, and ND to complete the 14. Then sit back and see what happens. Delany won’t be dictated to by Texas, and the Pac/SW 16 will bend over for them.
If Missouri
is not invited…they will be toast. I cannot see Notre Dame coming without Syracuse or Rutgers or both.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
That wouldn't bother me
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Jun 9, 2010 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions
I would kind of like to see us add...
Kansas. Yes, I know they are weak financially. Yes, they have had about 4 good years in the history of their football program (I might be underestimating this). But, if we want to solidify the Big Ten’s status as both the best football AND basketball conference, this helps.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jun 9, 2010 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Fixed that for you.
Kansas. Yes, I know they are weak financially. Yes, they have had about 4 good years in the history of their football program (I might be underoverestimating this).
Wow.
I looked, and you may be right. They have made 3 Orange Bowls in their history. They also won 10 games one year under Glen Mason (and went to an Aloha Bowl as their reward).
I really thought they had done a bit more when Gale Sayers was running all over hell for them.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jun 9, 2010 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions
In all seriousness...
It’s probably fair to say that they’ve had more than 4 good years. But if anyone tells you Kansas has had more that 4 great seasons in football, you should contact the nearest insane asylum.
They had some good years before 1960...
and in some of those, they didn’t make a bowl. Of course, they were almost always playing Emporia and another tiny school while they were going 7-2 or 8-1, so take it with a grain of salt.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jun 9, 2010 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Pick your finest NJ, non-monetary (food/beverage, please!) wager
and I’ll supply you with the best Chicago has to offer on the bet that Missouri does not get an invite. I still feel they’ve been the biggest sucker in this whole game.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jun 9, 2010 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions
The chess move
This latest move could still just be a move by Delany to get ND and ND only. Nothing is official yet, so it could be that this latest move by Delany to show ND that Big 12 is crumbling so they better get on board before everything else crumbles around them. On Monday there were articles (Orangeblood.com and NYT) that had said ND would rather be the 12th member of the Big Ten with no other members joining so that it’s more of a big deal than ND crawling to the Big Ten with its tail between its legs as the 16th member. In either case, it’s forcing ND’s hand.
I think Rutgers is more liklely than Syracuse, but otherwise, yeah
Syracuse is a definitely possibility if Notre Dame decides to join and they want to get an even number. My guess would be that Nebraska, Mizzou, and Rutgers are definitely joining, along with Syracuse and Notre Dame if Notre Dame decides they want in.
Still not sold
An executive at a Big 12 school … expects
Sources … probable Big 12 changes.
The sauce is still weak, although I’ll admit it has a different smell this time. Having said that, I think Nebraska would be a fine addition.
Facts sometimes have a strange and bizarre power that makes their inherent truth seem unbelievable. - Werner Herzog
Sweet, 16 teams!
Uh, wait, does that mean Penn State will only get to play Nebraska (Or Iowa for that matter) every ten years?
"I'm day-to-day with hurt feelings." - Chris Pronger
It bears repeating
that Iowa State is completely screwed.
It’s a delicious and rewarding turboschadenfreude experience.
In other news, you’re fucked, Iowa State. Do you have C-USA on speed dial?
"I will go to Germany and then play in a couple of AAU Tournaments like Peach Jam and Boo Williams." - Junior Lomomba
by Ornery Woody on Jun 9, 2010 8:15 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
I'm already a Colorado fan
I’ve had 13 years of hating Nebraska since my brief time as a CU student. I’m more than ready to hate them anew.
LSUFreek strikes again
Also, I’m giddy about this. I fucking hate Nebraska.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Jun 9, 2010 8:54 AM CDT reply actions 7 recs
wow that fucking impressive
If we quit with western expansion, I +1000 this. Adding Nebraska is awesome if you get to play them, if you add Missouri and bunch of other losers it mean’s you get to pretend you compete with Nebraska but only get to play them 6 or 7 times a generation.
I know about your diabolical plan.
That is fabulous.
And, yes, bring on Nebraska. I’ve hated them since childhood and the only opportunity I had to see Iowa beat them was when Iowa was, um, goddamn awful.
BRING ON THE CORN BOWL! Can we steal the “Farmageddon” name from ISU-KSU?
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Stolen from RUTS:
Meth Bowl.
"I'm day-to-day with hurt feelings." - Chris Pronger
by ReadingRambler on Jun 9, 2010 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, the trophy would be pretty self-explanatory...
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Hated since childhood?
My first Iowa game was in 1979 against Nebraska. We sat in the south end zone, they were still bleachers then. Them bastards broke an 11 year olds heart when they beat my beloved Hawkeyes 24-21. Oh how I hated them commie red bastards. I was vindicated 2 years later though, when Iowa beat Nebraska 10-7. I was sitting in the same south end zone seats. That was about the official arrival of the Hayden Fry era. I would love the rivalry to start up again.
Who's leg do I have to hump to get a drink around here?-Brian
My dad was in that endzone for most of the 80's
and until the mid-90’s. (Row 12 right behind the goalpost if my memory serves right from my first game, which was a 1992 loss to Purdue) He still loves telling the story of how he and his friends had to piss after that Nebraska game, and the only non-arrest-causing place they could find was a Nebraskan charter bus. They were let on to use the facilities for the price of a few beers, however the passengers felt like not telling the bus driver, which started to drive away with them on it. Luckily, they were only on Melrose, but that still counts as an almost-kidnapping. When they were let off, they took solace in placing a “Stick ’em Hawks” (or something like that) bumper sticker on the back of the bus.
Hey Dolph, you look like I need a beer.
by Give Eddie a Beer on Jun 9, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Dairy Queen (thanks, Warren) vs. King Corn.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jun 9, 2010 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Thats 1 team down.
Now go get 4 more to round out the 16. If you wait they won’t be around for long. I can’t wait for the “new” conference. I think I shall call it the Superfucking Mega Midwest/Heartland conference. And it will be GLORIOUS!!
Who's leg do I have to hump to get a drink around here?-Brian
The ESPN SportsNation voters have spoken
and we all know that what tens of thousands of sports fans say will happen shall be done.
Seriously Kansas, stop with the denial.
Syrup bong?
That could be big.
"Enough of your borax, Poindexter! We need action!"
by Bucketochicken on Jun 9, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
But it would require some serious suction
if you used the real syrup. Maybe if you heated is up a bit first…. Koolaid is good (so I’ve been told) so I’d imagine syrup would be too.
this
+1
Life - it's bigger...bigger than you and you are not me.
by hawkeyeguy85 on Jun 9, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh so rec'd.
"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me
by BStylin Hawkye on Jun 9, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
You terrible, terrible ...
awesome, hilarious person.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Jun 9, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Tell me you've been sitting on that.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jun 9, 2010 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, really, Kansas.
You too, Vermont (what?).
Even the world’s oceans think the BXII is kaput..
"Enough of your borax, Poindexter! We need action!"
by Bucketochicken on Jun 9, 2010 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Actually, the world's oceans want to "absorb" the Big XII.
by Cairo on Jun 9, 2010 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Booking my beach-front condo in Orange City now...
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jun 9, 2010 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions
The two things Kansas does not believe in:
1. The impending and imminent death of the Big 12.
2. Evolution.
They are about to get a lesson in evolution
of the Mountain West Conference.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
Kansas: Boom, roasted.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Jun 9, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
The District of Columbia and Alaska
Are both very in favor of conference expansion. I take that to mean that Hockeybear is in favor of Big 12 collapse. Dare we deny him his wish?
The Gram stain is useful in classifying bacteria because....it gives me another reason to hate biology?
This seems relevant
http://www.thebuckeyeblog.com/nebraska-big-ten/
In an attempt to hold on to their glory days, (Chip) Brown says that Notre Dame has told the Big 10 that if they join the division, they want the expansion to stop with Notre Dame and according to Brown, the Big 10 has agreed.
At any rate, Nebraska Board of Regents meets Friday, their deadline to declare their loyalty to the Big 12 is supposed to be the 15th. I’ll bet that Delaney is going to have a very, very busy weekend.
Facts sometimes have a strange and bizarre power that makes their inherent truth seem unbelievable. - Werner Herzog
Kind of interesting...
ND signed a contract through 2019 yesterday to play Boston College.
Who's leg do I have to hump to get a drink around here?-Brian
Good for them
Now they have one BCS opponent locked in for their out of conference schedule. I know that this was probably intended to send a message to the Big Ten, but I don’t see it as a major stumbling block. Until they lock in 5 or 6 non Big Ten teams for that long, I think it could be worked around if they do somehow end up in the Big Ten.
Then again, you can always vacate contracts
just ask Mizzou.
by PackerHawk on Jun 9, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The anger is strong in this one......
Use it on the Dark Side my young jedi.
Who's leg do I have to hump to get a drink around here?-Brian
See, I'm the opposite.
I want Mizzou to join the conference and be in Iowa’s division just so we can beat the ever-loving shit out of them every year in retribution.
“Try to back out of this contract, motherfuckers”.
by Abbas_Cincinnatus on Jun 10, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, that would be a nice consolation prize.
But for some reason, I’d enjoy it more if, despite Mizzou desperately wanting to be in the Big Ten, Delaney was just like, “Oh, I’m sorry, I didn’t realize you guys were interested. I remembered how you backed out of a contract with a Big Ten team a few years ago, and figured you just wanted to stick to playing Iowa State and Baylor.”
+1
Excellence.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jun 10, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
doesn't that lock ND into four BCS games though.
Add a conference, and they’re booked up
"Hush now, let it go now. I know it's time to go. Time to let this fall from my hands" VNV Nation, "From My Hands"
by Stuck in the Plains on Jun 9, 2010 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions
May be a stupid question here
But what does this do to scheduling if Nebraska comes in Friday? They play out another season in thee Big 12 then we rearrange the schedule for next year?
From what I understand
Even if they were to join today it wouldn’t take effect until 2012. I imagine all of the contracts, legalities and existing agreements probably have to be “lawyered” first for all of this to take place.
Who's leg do I have to hump to get a drink around here?-Brian
Wow.
That is a long time to have stuff thrown at you every road game. Then again, maybe that was already happening.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jun 9, 2010 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Mostly just at Colorado....
Guatamalan soccer fans learned deportment from the fine students of Boulder. I believe it was 2005 when the cops ejected the entire student section.
Besides, at most of the other North schools, there’s a certain degree of… parity between home and road fans when Nebraska visits.
by Albino Tornado on Jun 9, 2010 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions
help me connect the dots
Nebraska is either joining the Big XI or Nebraska is just a pawn in the game to lure ND into joining the Big XI.
Why does ND care if every conference around them is imploding? Can’t they just remain independent? I know someone can clarify this one.
And a couple musings:
Iowa State is likely fucked.
Bring on the Huskers (although the timing sorta sucks – NE is on the upswing, while Iowa’s decade of prominence has probably already happened… unless Kirk decides to stick around another 10 yrs, which I don’t see happening).
the thought of any school from Texas joining the Big XI makes me wanna vomit.
by KentuckyThunderPussy on Jun 9, 2010 10:03 AM CDT reply actions
Notre Dame wants to keep their spot at the big boy table.
Aside from the money issue (likely lots more of it in the BXI than in staying independent), if things splinter and we wind up with, say, four super-conferences, it’s not a huge stretch to think that we could get some form of (limited) playoff going. And if ND isn’t in one of those super-conferences, they may not get invited to that dance.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Also, as has been mentioned numerous times
If super-conferences is the future, NBC may leave ND out in the cold to make a deal with one of the four potential super-conferences, thus killing off their TV income significantly. ND has plenty of rich boosters, but they need a TV deal, and they’re going to realize their independence isn’t worth upsetting their fans on the West Coast who can’t watch them play because they were too stubborn to join a conference.
by The Mexican't on Jun 9, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Notre Dame's concern is scheduling
If everyone is in a conference then they get severly limited. Most teams play out of conference foes in the first four weeks…so ND would not have a problem then. But, once conference play kicks in they will be stuck with service academies and WAC, MAC type schools. Also, as Ross says, a playoff of some sort is coming and with conferences consolidating power, the days of ND having the ability to dictate special dispensation—ala last time—is about over. The money is a big deal too. They will slowly be at a financial disadvantage. Finally, recruiting…conferences will recruit against ND as a group and, well, if indepdence were such a great idea Texas would pursue it and maybe even Miami again and Florida. There are so many reasons that conference affiliation is desirable (bowl selections…all use conference tie-ins).
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
Agreed.
And the fact that ND sets up there schedule with 7 home games, 4 road games and 1 “nuetral” site game. This whole scenario will completely put a wrench into there scheduling.
Who's leg do I have to hump to get a drink around here?-Brian
That sort of skewed scheduling is keeping ND from oblivion
all the service academies and WAC schools and home games…so imagine how far they may fall when they finally relent and join the Big Ten and have to play on the road six times a year. Add Iowa, Nebraska and/or Penn State to the Michigan, Michigan State and Purdue games. God…it will be 12 weeks of Christmas in my household!
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
Why would they have to play 6 road games?
We don’t, OSU doesn’t, most BCS schools don’t. That seventh home game is the whole point of the FCS and MAC games.
True...but five will likely be the outcome if they
choose to hang on to BC, USC and Stanford. Which would be fucking crazy. I think Stanford goes bye bye and the BC % USC games flip flop with each other every other year. Threading the needle on more than one BCS rivalry opponent year-in and year-out and keeping a four game orad schedule seems unlikely to me.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
Yea but he's all about suffering
Too high? What do you mean too high?
by The Bacon Explosion on Jun 9, 2010 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm not so sure it would be as big of a headache as you make it out to be
Most BCS schools try to get a 7-5 or 7-4-1 arrangement like ND does. It’s necessary for revenue (see the Iowa-ISU thread from a few days back. Also, don’t the SEC and Big East already have one or two conference games in the first few weeks to grab attention? Finally, with the schedule extending beyond Thanksgiving and some conferences giving teams two bye-weeks I think it could be done, it’s more of a matter of ND having to work harder to get their schedule. They COULD preserve the BC, USC, and Navy series and still have room for a FCS school, but again, that would require more work and occasionally not having 7 home games when they have to travel for the Navy game.
One of my favorite KF moments
Happened in this game….
Second, that we had the score at 14-13 one play before the half the very next year, while that legendary fanbase booed until Crouch bailed Nebraska out;
Near the end of that first half there was a BOGUS Pass Interference call and KF called timeout. Then he spent the entire timeout screaming at the officials for missing the call. I think Nebraska scored on the very next play, right at the end of the half. Blowout ensued. However, that moment was when I said to myself, I’m going to like this guy.
That might be right.
I was sensationally drunk, so my memory’s a tad hazy.
I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks
Sensationally drunk?
I think you were only mildly tipsy when we met and I have the sinking feeling you have no recollection of having met me, let alone the details of a game that happened that long ago.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jun 9, 2010 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions
It's worse than I thought.
I was 1 beer (one!) into the night when you showed up, am still pissed at myself for forgetting you in the list of people we met since I was only trying to think of blogs, and am still amazed that a Michigan blogger facilitated your appearance at Murphy’s rather than BHGP.
I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks
Big-16
I think the Big XII is about to explode. It would be awesome to have a PAC-16 and a Big-16. CU, UT, A&M, OS, OSU (not The OSU) and CU going west. KU, KSU, NU, Mizzou and ISU going east. Of course this means Baylor is left out in the cold (aka CUSA).
Did you just say you want ISU in the BigTen?
You can’t possibly be serious.
by The Mexican't on Jun 9, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
I think he meant ISU stopping one timezone east of Newfoundland, Canada
At least I hope
Too high? What do you mean too high?
by The Bacon Explosion on Jun 9, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I dunno...
I can’t imagine why he would have NU, Mizzou, and all the rest of the riff raff landing in the same spot unless he meant all to the B10.
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Jun 9, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
The MAC (and much of C-USA) is east of Ames.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jun 9, 2010 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Nebraska is going to the MAC?
According to him anyway.
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Jun 9, 2010 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I was trying to make a joke about ISU et al.
You’ll be a lot happier (and probably dumber) if you don’t question my sense of humor, but just go with it.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jun 9, 2010 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Why Nothing Could Happen
If Nebraska goes BXI, everything west of the Mississippi explodes. This is thank to the PAC placing the dominoes, but Delaney will get blamed for pushing the first one. Faced with a 16 team giant in the west, do the BXI & SEC agree to a cease fire to let things shake out for awhile, or do they each grab four more teams, that the SEC doesn’t really want and there are hints that the BXI doesn’t want either, leaving the country with a bunch of hastily assembled “super” conferences which may or may not hold together in the long run. This basically destroys college athletics as we know it, which is no small thing.
Delaney & Co. have a responsibility to act in the best interests of the Big 10, we all know that. But is setting off armageddon in the Big 10’s best interest? I don’t think it is, and I don’t think it was what they had in mind when they announced the expansion study. Larry Scott and the PAC don’t seem to care though.
So two things could happen. One is nothing. The other is that Notre Dame believes they are on the brink and join the conference, expansion halts at 12, and we never really know how close we came.
Facts sometimes have a strange and bizarre power that makes their inherent truth seem unbelievable. - Werner Herzog
Okay...now wake up and get dressed for work/school
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
Nobody is making the Pac 10 offer the whole B12 South...
The B10 has to look out for the B10. Nobody else will.
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Jun 9, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Which is
part of what I said.
None of these decisions are happening in a vacum. There are some pretty big shockwaves that can be generated by Nebraska joining the Big 10 and they are something that everyone needs to consider.
Facts sometimes have a strange and bizarre power that makes their inherent truth seem unbelievable. - Werner Herzog
Flakbait, you're dead on.
The one time someone’s tried a 16-team conference, it went ker-splooey. Granted, that was an ill-conceived MWC/WAC mishmash, but the concerns remain.
16-team conferences are no longer conferences. They are leagues. With a few mandated intersectionals added to the football and basketball schedules. The nature of the conference that Iowa has played in for over a century will be irreversibly changed, and not for the better. The chances of Iowa (or any other team) winning a conference championship in any given year will be nearly halved, and its chances to pal around with all the big boys out east will wane dramatically.
If they can somehow pull just Notre Dame out of this, great. Nebraska, meh. But once Nebraska goes, like you said…Armageddon. Anyone else, or any more than one, and I will be very sad.
And I forgot the Big East, since I was in football mode.
Ask those schools how they’re enjoying their concoction. Can you feel the brotherly love between South Florida and Marquette?
Well, it lets them think very highly of themselves
And then teams from the Big East get into the tourney since whatever their record is in the Brutal Big East it would be better in any weaker conference. It really benefits them. And none of the 8 b-ball only schools are there for any reason other than exposure and cred. So yes, it keeps new rivalries from forming, but I’m not sure how much it’s impacted ’Cuse-UCalhoun for example.
Oh yeah, f@*k Marquette.
by PackerHawk on Jun 9, 2010 2:46 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Well
given that the core of our b-ball only schools (Georgetown, Villanova, Providence, St. John’s) were the original members, I think we’re there for a bit more than exposure. But I do think the Big East needs to go back to its pre-Miami basketball-only focus.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
this...
“Third, that there’s been precisely two Nebraska teams since then that would have beaten their Iowa counterparts (’01, ’06). This rivalry is long overdue. Anytime, anywhere. Let the hate begin.”
If they played during the first 2/3rds of the ‘09 of the season, yes, but Neb was pretty salty by the end. Neb’s asskicking of AZ pretty well matched Iowa’s. But in general, yes, Nebraska as pretty well sucked during this decade.
I'm not sure it's just that Nebraska sucked
(although they certainly weren’t up to par with their 90’s vintages) but that Iowa has come into their own over the last decade. This is a natural rivalry (much like Wisconsin) featuring two well-respected programs who happen to share a border. I’m absolutely smitten with this arrangement…if it’s true.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jun 9, 2010 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Wither Kansas?
I find it hard to believe that such a storied basketball team could be left homeless.
If the Big 10 went to 16, would it be worth it to invite the Jayhawks?
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Jun 9, 2010 1:22 PM CDT reply actions
I've argued that it is, for the sake of the BB team's effect on BTN ratings.
Nobody’s been bringing them up at all this entire time, though. They might just join the Big East so they can have actual basketball opponents instead of, like, Wyoming.
I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks
I really feel that Delany and Co. have a 3-5 year plan in store.
They either add one (Nebraska) or 3 (Nebraska, Notre Dame and Rutgers) this round and then see what the landscape looks like in a few years. Depending on what’s what, I could see the Big Ten pursuing everyone from UConn to Maryland to Kansas, but I don’t think the league is ready to make that jump just yet.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jun 9, 2010 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I've come to believe...
that Delany has many plans.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Jun 9, 2010 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions
So Nebraska regents just had a meeting
and Orangebloods.com is reporting the regents have informally agreed to leave for the Big Ten. A formal announcement will come Friday (this was retweeted by Rittenberg/Espn Big Ten Blog
heh, heh
Katz’s source said the direction of the school is leaning toward the Big Ten, but there was no indication of when the Big Ten invitation would occur. The Big Ten has set no date for any announcement in the coming weeks, leaving open the possibility that Nebraska could be left in limbo.
You would think they have the invitation in hand before agreeing to join.
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Jun 9, 2010 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
And...
A Fox television report out of Ohio said Nebraska now has an invitation from the Big Ten.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
That's better.
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Jun 9, 2010 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions
More Modest Scenario
If Nebraska has indeed decided to join the Big TEleveN, and the Big Ten has decided to become the Big TwelvEN, what if Notre Dame, as I expect, decides to remain independent, and the Big Ten stops at twelve for now?
Yes, the BIg 12 would probably need to add someone, but rumors about TCU re-joining their old Texas colleagues from the SWC have been out there for some time. It is quite possible that the Face of College Football As We Know It will remain pretty much as we know it, with just Nebraska, TCU, Boise State (taking TCU’s place in the MWC, and whoever would replace Boise State in the WAC) moving around.
Not that I would mind seeing the Big 12, and probably the Big East, blow up and disintegrate, if only for the utter chaos, but I don’t see such an outcome as inevitable just because Nebraska jumps ship.
Now, if Notre Dame, OR Missouri, OR anyone from the Big East join Nebraska, then a tsunami-like ripple effect seems unavoidable.
by Midnight Rambler on Jun 9, 2010 8:25 PM CDT reply actions
OK, I'm An Idiot (If The Rumors Are True)
Rivals.com is reporting that Texas has said the Big 12 can’t be saved. If so, so much for my modest scenario.
Bring on the chaos!
by Midnight Rambler on Jun 9, 2010 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I love this
Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds and president Williams Powers gathered UT coaches today at 2 p.m. CT to tell them they did everything they could to save the Big 12 but that they were unsuccessful.
Per Chip Brown at Orangebloods.
They did everything that involved doing nothing; only looking out for themselves and whoever the legislature tethered to them.
They’re like an EMT showing up to a person having a heart attack, looking at them, and yelling “Clear!”. Guess he couldn’t be saved.
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Jun 9, 2010 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought Texas was the Big XII?
I find it funny that I keep reading that "Texas is the Big XII and yet if one school up north leaves, OMG THE CONFERENCE IS DEAD!!!
Nebraska leaving is just an excuse Texas can use to jump ship too.
by Aaron Musfeldt on Jun 9, 2010 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions
and to blame Nebraska for killing the B12
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Jun 9, 2010 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I always thought...
Nebraska would be reactionary and contemplative, and that Texas would make the bold, money-hungry move. And now, Texas has faked out everyone to the point where Nebraska has to make the bold move and look like the villain.
I guess the moral of this story is: “Don’t mess with Texas.”
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jun 9, 2010 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Nebraska fans will be able to accept Texas' low opinion of them
… while they get to roll around in Barbasol and Ro*Tel loot. $20 million dollars — and hopefully not putting up with their bullshit — will dry a lot of our tears.
by Albino Tornado on Jun 9, 2010 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions
That's been the point all along
Texas was ready to bolt the second the BXI and Pac-10 showed some interest, it just didn’t want to take the fall for destroying the Big XII. Hence the ultimatum to NE and Mizzou, make those schools leave so it would be free to act however it saw fit.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I agree with you on the whole "ND might stay independent" thing.
It seems as though they have rebuffed the Big 10 every time, and just recently they have postured about “how great it is to be independent.” It really depends on if they can keep a pretty similar TV deal with NBC, or some other large network. It also appears as though they value their rivalries with BC, USC, Navy. And something tells me that they might not want that tough of a schedule if they have to add Ohio St and Penn St every year (or some other combo of schools [Iowa/Wisconsin?] they don’t already see each year).
I could also see less change (than we all think is inevitable) happening. It appears as though it will come down to whether or not a super-Pac 10 can give Texas more cash than they are projected to get in the Big 12. Is there that much cash out there in this economy? I don’t know.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jun 9, 2010 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions
If Kelley doesn't have ND in two BCS games in his first 4 years
Wait, nevermind, that didn’t help what’s his face. I get the feeling that ND has all of its chips down on Kelley, and if he doesn’t crank out 9 and 10 win seasons for 4 or 5 years that they’ll be much more willing to give up independence (probably because NBC will be souring on them).
Yes.
ND will have to start winning (and winning somewhat big) again if they have any hope of getting a big-money renewal from NBC.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jun 9, 2010 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions
The big money deal from NBC
Won’t happen again, ever. Their current contract was a gift from Dick Ebersol that won’t be repeated by whoever replaces him after the Comcast merger goes through. ND has exactly the length of this contract to be nationally relevant
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Texas,
in an intact Big 12 environment, has been exploring the creation of their own “UT-TV” operation. It might work for them — they have the population base and would keep all the revenue. It would be a collegiate version of the YES network. As with the Yankees, not many could pull it off. UT perhaps could.
"Never mistake motion for action." - Ernest Hemingway
Very interesting.
I hate Ohio St, and to a lesser extent Michigan, but even I can’t imagine those schools absolutely screwing the others in their conference with a plot like that.
I never really loved Texas, but I used to respect their team. The last year or two is making me change my mind.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jun 9, 2010 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Big East?
The amount of rumor, hints, false (?) leads, and mis-direction (Texas does seem to have played this situation masterfully, esp. making Nebraska the villain), over the last few months has been staggering.
Just two days ago, I was telling ISU fans that Notre Dame held the key to the Cyclones’ future. Now Nebraska has started the dominos falling…or have they? And is Missouri the Useful Idiot in all this?
But remember back in the Jurassic when dinosaurs walked the earth, i.e. April of 2010, and the assumption was that the Big Ten would go east? I wasted a lot of time arguing that the Big TelevEN was wrong to concentrate on New York and New Jersey, but I assumed that was where expansion was going.
More recently, I concluded that Texas was not going to end up in the Big Ten. I was right about that, but for completely the wrong reasons.
Starting with the Big Ten’s “sun belt” comments, the Big East candidates—Syracuse, Rutgers, Pitt—suddenly received a lot less attention in Big Ten expansion gossip. Now I wonder if the Big East is out of the
by Midnight Rambler on Jun 9, 2010 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions
How did that happen?
CONTINUED
I wonder if the Big East is out of the discussion, or if I will wake up tomorrow and find that Rutgers or Syracuse is joining Nebraska in the Big Ten.
by Midnight Rambler on Jun 9, 2010 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I used to respect Syracuse's football program and tradition...
but that program is really in the toilet right now. (I was shocked to see they made a bowl as recently as 2004, it felt longer ago than that.)
They are so poor right now, that I don’t really want them in the Big 10. I think Rutgers and Pitt are still vulnerable. Pitt hasn’t even made a bowl game half the time in the last 20 years. And every time I think Rutgers is here to stay, I realize that they are 5 and 10 against the best of their league (Pitt, WV, Cincy) in the last 5 or 6 years.
Finally, I think the financial/media benefits of adding these teams to the Big Ten are overestimated. So really, we are basically doing this so that PSU has someone closer to them. Not a good enough reason in my book.
I’d almost rather have Nebraska, Mizzou, Kansas, and maybe ISU than have Rutgers, Cuse, Pitt, and Maryland/Louisville/insert team here.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jun 10, 2010 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions
I think people need to get on board to the fact
that TV markets are driving this train. The Nebraska invite is the only one that is not a direct hit on such. Why? They are the pawn that traps the Queen (aka, Notre Dame).
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
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