Dan Beebe Is In Denial Something Fierce
by RossWB on Jun 4, 2010 10:00 PM CDT
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EVERYTHING IS FINE. PLEASE IGNORE THE FLAMES AND SCREAMING AND SCREECHING TIRES BEHIND THE CURTAIN. EVERYTHING IS UNDER CONTROL. NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT HERE.
Friend of the Pants Scott Dochterman checks in again with another report from the Big XII meetings today and while things weren't quite as overtly crazy as they were Thursday, the smoke signals coming out of the meeting were not so good regarding the stability and continued existence of the Big 12. Unless you're Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe, that is.
"Based on the conversations that we’ve had, I think we’re in a very good position," Beebe said.
Apparently in Beebe's world, being in "a very good position" means having half of your league's teams being all but openly courted by the Pac 10 and being discussed as serious targets of acquisition by high-level Big Ten officials. Then again, Beebe thinks everything is just super with the current system, so his perception of reality might be a little fucked.
"What we have now is pretty good and to tinker with it might be a risk," Beebe said.
Actually, Dan, if what you have now "is pretty good," Big 12 teams probably wouldn't be the hottest targets for expansion. What you have now pays even the biggest and best teams in the league half of what Indiana pulls in from the Big Ten and has many of the northern members of your league increasingly frustrated with the steady consolidation of power southward. But, wait, WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN --
"Nonetheless, each of us has to be prepared with contingencies, and I think on balance you have to look at what the risks are to student-athletes and academic performance and welfare and the factors that weigh into that."
Is it unseemly that this is all about money, power, shoring up future revenue streams, and expanding geographic footprints? Sure. The draw of college sports is in the atmosphere, the tradition, and the passion of the events themselves, not in who has the biggest bank account or who can claim the most TV households within their territory. But college sports have been on this road for a long, long time -- once television rights fees started ballooning, action like this became virtually inevitable. Beebe sounds jealous because he's on the wrong side of the economic divide.
Mind you, at least Beebe's sticking to his stubborn, denial-fueled "EVERYTHING IS FINE, DAMMIT" stance; Iowa State seems to be adopting a more fatalistic attitude about the process:
"We believe the Big 12 Conference is the perfect fit for Iowa State University," Pollard and Geoffroy wrote. "We are committed to our membership in the Big 12, and we are optimistic that the conference will remain intact. However, we also recognize that the long-term viability of the Big 12 Conference is not in our control — it is in the hands of just a few of our fellow member institutions.
"Iowa State and several other members of the Big 12 Conference are especially vulnerable under some of the realignment scenarios currently circulating, particularly one involving expansion of the Pac-10. We are doing everything in our power to represent the best interests of Iowa State in these discussions, but we also are sensitive to the huge uncertainty that has been created and recognize that the situation could evolve in directions that are not aligned with our interests." (emphasis added)
That's president-speak for "we're fucked and we hope our fans enjoy our exciting new rivalries with Utah and TCU (best case) or Kent State and Bowling Green (worst case)." As always, BHGP continues to fervently hope for the MACrification of Iowa State.
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I'd feel bad for him
if it wasn’t funny watching this unfold. Even if nothing happens at this point, none of them can trust each other anymore.
OT: RIP John Wooden
It never gets to be easy
It would suck big time if somehow ISU joined the Big 10.
I guess I hope they end up in a reformed MWC, a conference that after reshuffling, might become a BCS automatic qualifier. The MAC seems a bit too drastic, especially if we still keep on playing them every year (which I hope gets reduced to every several years.)
Doc had a great quote from the chat about the possibility of the Big Ten adding ISU...
I can’t see the Big Ten adding Iowa State unless it expands to 32
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I think they would have a chance if the Big Ten expanded to 64.
This is a program that is now in real crisis. I just hope there is adequate reporting and scrutiny on the financial obligations that they are about to impose on taxpayers and students in order to maintain the fiction that they are or should be an FBS program. If people want to divert general funds to ISU to pay for charter jets to San Diego, and if students want to fold athletic department subsidies into their student loans, great. But it should be a conscious decision by all.
Mr. Boh Knows ...
Every now and then
Someone claims that the Hawks are going to step up and save the Clones. Somehow the legislature is going to force us to get them into the Big 10.
Bwah ha ha ha!
I’ll give the ISU fans credit. At least none of them are expecting this fantasy to happen.
by Josh Timmers on Jun 4, 2010 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions
The idea
that Iowa will save ISU relies on 3 premises, all of which are prima facie false:
1. Barta/the atheletic department/U of I administration would want ISU in the Big Ten.
2. Iowa has the juice in the Big Ten to force the league to accept Iowa State.
3. The juice is worth the squeeze.
As any barely sentinent human being (and above-average intelligence chimps) can see, any one – indeed all three – of those premises is false.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Fuck State.
Sorry, I just can’t state how bad I hate those fuckers.
I learned a great many things in the Marines that helped me as a football coach. The Marines train men hard and to do things the right way, just as a football team must train. - Hayden Fry
by NileKinnickIronman on Jun 4, 2010 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Dan Beebe Celebrity Doppleganger?
"Oh no, don't do that, don't do that. If you shoot him, you'll just make him mad." - The Waco Kid
I thought he looked more like this guy:
Although I realize that also stretches the definition of “famous” a bit.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
by RossWB on Jun 5, 2010 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
There it is.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jun 5, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
BTW
It’s Dan Beebe. Don Beebe was the KR specialist for the Buffalo Bills back during their SB years. Although maybe Don thinks he can still play in the NFL.
Fuck, I had it right the first time?
That’s what I get for second-guessing myself at 11pm.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Death to the Big 12
Death to Iowa State
Delaney be praised
At least....
…as much shit as Pollard gets, both he and Geoffrey are completely upfront with the fans on this. They know we are in trouble.
The new ISU = Wyoming
Check out this discussion of what is, essentially, a tax on the least fortunate, if not a form of corrupt manipulation of student finances:
Inside Higher Ed: The Tuition Tax
ISU as Wyoming, if not Toledo.
D-I, sure. Structural financial deficits, coaches who leave, essentially a welfare case for the state’s general fund. This may, and should, become a public policy issue. I don’t want to pay taxes that are allocated to recruit JC transfers from wherever to Ames in order to play football at 11 p.m. 1500 miles away. There are, in fact, poor people in Iowa and there are, in fact, social welfare priorities, and there are, in fact, people who yet use an ISU degree to pull themselves out of less advantaged circumstances. Subsidizing a semi-pro athletic program that needs to charter jets to get to New Mexico reflects a perversion of public priorities.
I think college football has outgrown ISU, candidly. I don’t see any justification for assessing general state and university funds to maintain this athletic program in its current state. I would say the same thing, incidentally, if Iowa fell on hard times.
The fact is that to compete in D-I football at an elite level today you have to generate eyeballs-on-tv-sets. This is not going to happen with ISU in the MWC; there aren’t enough eyeballs in Iowa, and outside Iowa; no one cares about ISU except ISU grads. There is no Big 12 ISU rivalry game. People will care more when ISU is playing New Mexico in the middle of the night? The gulf that separates Texas and Oklahoma, and ISU, is now clearly seen: it’s an abyss. ISU is not going to simply leap that abyss into some functionally and financially equivalent alternative conference. While Iowa might be stupid enough to pay ISU 70% more in their home-and-home than ISU pays Iowa, no such philanthropy is forthcoming from Texas.
Looking at the MAC, which the gazette guys say will never happen for ISU, is instructive: the “tuition subsidy” for the MAC is hundreds of dollars per student per year. But the MAC doesn’t have to charter a jet to get to most of their games.
It will never happen, but a real educator-president of ISU would stand up, walk to the mikes, and announce, “We were given little choice in the matter, but I am announcing with pride that enough is enough. We are joining the FCS and look forward to knocking UNI out of the top spot of the Gateway, MVC or whatever that conference is called — and this way I will not be embarrassing myself by begging the legislature for financial support while building a hidden subsidy into my tuition fees that I know my students must fund with borrowed money. Our graduates will not graduate with student loans that, in fact, include athletic department transfer payments. Last I checked, Drake did not fall apart when they dropped D-I football. Thank you, and everyone back to class.”
Mr. Boh Knows ...
by Bellanca on Jun 5, 2010 5:23 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Grim
but probably accurate. Iowa doesn’t have the money or population to support two FBS schools and two FCS schools. Minnesota, Wisconsin and Missouri are all bigger than Iowa and none of them have two FBS schools. Only Missouri even bothers with one FCS school.
The Hawkeyes are like a mini-Nebraska—rabid following in a small state with some national appeal. Win some national titles, and the Hawks become the Cornhuskers. But while ISU has a fanatical alumni base, it just doesn’t spread far beyond that. They wouldn’t be allowed in the MAC—they’d kick everyone’s butt all over the place. But they might not be allowed in the MWC for geographic reasons. They could drop down to FCS, but the alumni would revolt. Iowa State is just hoping that the Big XII stays together in some form.
I don't understand the 'ISU is too good for the MAC' idea.
They haven’t been kicking anyone’s butt around from that conference lately.
Mr. Boh Knows ...
I agree with Bellanca.
They probably have players that are “higher caliber” or whatever than those in the MAC right now, but that’s because those players came to play in the Big XII, not ISU. Once ISU is a MAC school, they’ll have MAC athletes and compete at the MAC level.
by Third Generation Hawk on Jun 5, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Excuse me?
They wouldn’t be allowed in the MAC—they’d kick everyone’s butt all over the place.
Nearly every Big Ten team has lost to a MAC team in recent memory (except tOSU, PSU and Michigan…who instead lost to a FCS school). What makes you think Iowa State would be such a Juggernaut in that league?
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jun 5, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
ISU
gets 46k a game. A MAC school draws 15k on average. ISU has a much larger alumni base than any MAC school. Over the long haul, that financial advantage would simply steamroll the MAC.
Yes, But...
As soon as they join the MAC ISU would also only get 15K a game like all of the rest of the schools. So AT FIRST they would have more money, but it would be quickly reduced.
Who's leg do I have to hump to get a drink around here?-Brian
Toledo 13, Michigan 10
Oct 2008. In the big house. Granted, they were really really bad that year.
by PackerHawk on Jun 5, 2010 5:28 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Ah, good catch.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jun 5, 2010 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Toledo was a losing team that year.
Penn State’s Toledo went 10-1.
Suck it, Michigan.
"I want your money, but I don't want your two cents." - JVP
by ReadingRambler on Jun 6, 2010 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Non-revenue sports
ISU is decent in non-rev sports and would dominate everything but football. Even in football, their facilities would give them a major recruiting advantage and they would probably stay at the top of the MAC for awhile.
by PackerHawk on Jun 5, 2010 5:31 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm still skeptical.
Much of the talent they get now comes because they play in a major conference; take that away and a key incentive for many of their recruits goes with it. A lot of mid-major teams seem to thrive on getting under-the-radar local talent, taking on second-chance cases from bigger schools, and poaching from the JUCO ranks. Could ISU really do the same thing? There’s some good local talent around here, but not a lot of it. I suspect ISU’s admissions standards would prevent them from taking on too many second-chance kids. The JUCO option would still be there, but when you’re both already in the MAC, is there a compelling reason for a kid to choose Ames, IA over Toledo, OH or Mt. Pleasant, MI?
Also, how useful are those facilities if there’s no one there to support them? Good luck getting more than 20-25K to watch ISU-Eastern Michigan at Jack Trice. Good luck getting the alumni to donate much when their peers go from being Kansas and Nebraska to Bowling Green and Kent State. Even if ISU wound up in the MWC or C-USA (who would be better fits in terms of size and support), the issue of excitement among their fanbase wouldn’t be that different. Are their fans going to be excited about new rivalries with TCU and New Mexico or Tulsa and Tulane/? Maybe they’d come around if ISU turned out to be a major player in the new league, but it’s no sure thing they’d do that.
Given the right coach, they could probably remain a good program in basketball (possibly even better than they’ve been in the B12 in recent years), if the examples of Creighton or UNI are anything to go by.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
My competiteveness statements apply only to the MAC
C-USA and MWC would be entirely different challenges, and ISU would not be anywhere near the top of those heaps. Just to be clear.
Penn State lost to Toledo in 2000.
They had Chester Taylor. It was awful.
"I want your money, but I don't want your two cents." - JVP
by ReadingRambler on Jun 6, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Droid keyboard fail
Yes, but that isn’t really recent memory. Didn’t those years disappear? I can’t remember Penn State from about 1999 until the “we’re back” Orange Bowl season.
by PackerHawk on Jun 6, 2010 2:02 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Listening to KC sports radio is entertaining...
They flip-flop between saying they all need to bow to UT to keep the B12 together, and hating UT for having all the power being a B12 “outsider” (not in the B8).
One of the guys yesterday said that Delaney and the Pac10 commissioner were snakes and “couldn’t be trusted” and that the only reason the B12 was the target was because of the TV contract cycle, that the B12 got locked into the last shitty contract before the BTN and the B10 got lucky with the BTN working. Most everybody recognizes that Beebe has been EPICFAIL but are more pissed that the Big10/Pac10 are going after their teams than the B12 sucking.
About once every five years or so...
something happens that makes me feel sorry for ISU, or makes me tolerate ISU.
I am trying to feel sorry for ISU, because their conference appears ready to explode, and ISU has no power to stop it. And I almost wanted to say that maybe the Big Ten should try to acquire Nebraska, Mizzou, KU, KSU, and ISU.
However, what has ISU done in the last five years to help their conference? Pretty much nothing in men’s basketball. They have made two football bowl games, but does an appearance in a Houston Bowl or an Insight Bowl really contribute much to the conference? I have no idea about what women’s basketball NCAA appearances do for a conference, but I’m betting the financial windfall isn’t huge.
So, if ISU wants to claim they are being victimized, perhaps they should consider some actions they can take to avoid becoming a victim in the future. And I’m not sure I want a school like ISU to take money from the Big Ten pool. We already have IU and jNW.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
It might all come down to Nebraska?
That is, if The Oklahoman is to be believed:
This isn’t about Missouri. Nobody cares about Missouri. Stay, go, drop football, get mad all over again that the Insight Bowl invited Iowa State. Doesn’t matter.
If only Missouri leaves the Big 12, the league is fine. Heck, the league thrives. TV revenues wouldn’t go down, plus there’s one less mouth to feed. Heck, the NCAA might even give the Big 12 a waiver and let it keep the football championship game.
This is about Nebraska. Everybody cares about Nebraska. Nebraska helps make the league go. Without Nebraska, Texas’ and Oklahoma’s enthusiasm for the Big 12 wanes.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
If this is the era of narrow self-interest,
then Texas, Nebraska, Oklahoma have already seen that Baylor, ISU, KSU etc. are their charity cases who will only continue to suppress team payouts while getting weaker and weaker over time. They might figure that the Big 12 is already dead, as a result, and so it’s every school for itself. How could anyone assert that the little six are going to be net financial contributors to the Big 12? They’re really just opponents — frequently, tomato cans — for the marquee schools.
(Does Texas regard ISU coming to town this year as very different than Iowa views Eastern Illinois coming to town? I doubt it.)
Hence I don’t see the Nebraska rejecting a likely permanent, richer deal with the richest conference in the country.
It’s all about the eyeballs-on-sets, not the butts-in-seats. The disparity between little and big school wasn’t so grinding or obvious when it was about filling stadiums. It’s the opposite of the music business. There, people play live to make a living, and the CDs support the performance. Here, they play live to support the digital media; the games are played to support the software.
Mr. Boh Knows ...
Luckily for the B12
Nebraska isn’t getting the invite. Population & alumni base is just too small.
Facts sometimes have a strange and bizarre power that makes their inherent truth seem unbelievable. - Werner Herzog
Really? Is this genuine verified rumor-reported-on-radio news, or just your own view?
Because I think Nebraska playing OSU, Mich, PSU any year, and Iowa, Wisconsin and maybe Rutgers and ND most years, is a television monster game of the week.
I think your logic is flawed. It’s not the value of the individual school, its the network effect (the aggregate, cumulative value of the larger ‘network’ of schools, that generates the dough. It’s the software not the hardware (i.e., not the flesh in seats or scope of the alumni base).
The fact that Mizzou brings St. Louis is important only because people in Short Hills, NJ could give a shit about Missouri v. Iowa. People in Short Hills, NJ will cancel parties to watch Nebraska v. Penn State in October. It would be the rebirth of the old intersectional games, back before the OOC games involved cupcakes like Eastern Illinois.
BTW, if we’re going to explode the football world this week, I vote for going to 16 teams too, and adding Navy and Army, Rutgers and Nebraska, and inviting Notre Dame to make application to Conference USA once the Big East implodes and they have no conference action for their non-football teams. You want academics, straight arrows, apple pie, and scheme diversity? Take the service academies. A man can dream.
Mr. Boh Knows ...
I was right there with you until
the part about Army and Navy. That will never happen. They don’t compare in athletics, and there are far better schools available academically.
Nebraska, FWIW, has my vote for the Big Ten. What it lacks in a population base it makes up for in prestige. It wasn’t that long ago that Nebraska was the undisputed champion of the world. A lot of people remember those days, and they look to be back on the upswing. Marquee matchups against the current Big Ten powers would be a huge tv draw.
I’m not sold on Mizzou. I hear the BTN is already on tv’s in St Louis. So really they only add Kansas City and add a rival for Illinois (who cares?). I’m still hoping for Texas, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Syracuse and Pitt. I think Texas is looking less and less likely, and Pitt will probably be dropped because of the “no new tvs issue”. Rutgers and Mizzou probably get the nod because of the tvs instead making it a far more craptastic Nebraska, Notre Dame, SU, Rutgers and Mizzou.
by HawkeyeInExile on Jun 5, 2010 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I live in St Louis
and I can tell you that BTN is only available as part of the regular package if you DirecTV. You have to pay a special sports package fee to get it on Dish Network, and then on the cable company here, Charter, it’s not available at all. I’ve had all 3 options (currently on Dish Network). What’s the extra burn is that it would be part of the regular sports package 10 miles across the Mississippi in Illinois.
It is my own view
based on what Delaney said about population, demographics, sun belt, etc. at the BXI conference a few weeks ago. The only thing Nebraska offers is a really, really good football team. That’s not going to be enough.
Missouri isn’t getting in either. I think whoever gets the nod will be south east of Chicago. Which rules out Texas. Not because there isn’t some mutual attraction, I just think Texas enjoys being the 800 lb gorilla too much and joining the Big 10 means being an equal.
16 is too big. Way too big. 14 kinds sucks too. I think 12 is perfect.
Facts sometimes have a strange and bizarre power that makes their inherent truth seem unbelievable. - Werner Herzog
That’s true Nebraska is really only a great get in football. They’re solid academically but they don’t wow you. They are in the AAU. Everybody keeps brining up Director’s cup standings, I think they’re decent there too. Their achilles heel is the population issue. The question is if Delany & Co see this as a dealbreaker.
I don’t see Nebraska being the one team chosen. If it’s only going to be one, then it’s got to be Notre Dame. I would say Texas, but Texas obviously comes shackled to about 4 other schools. After Notre Dame and some other revenue/tv picks (Rutgers and Missouri) I see Nebraska as a good pick for football ratings and all around fit culturally/geographically.
by HawkeyeInExile on Jun 5, 2010 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions
In dissent...
16 is too big. Way too big. 14 kinds sucks too. I think 12 is perfect.
Sure, but what we want and what we may end up getting could be quite different. Unless the 12th team is Texas or Notre Dame, I don’t see them stopping at 12 because there are no other home run teams. And if they do expand to 14 or 16, Nebraska is easily one of the better options, unless you can land a 14-team combination that includes Texas AND Notre Dame (which seems a bit fanciful).
based on what Delaney said about population, demographics, sun belt, etc. at the BXI conference a few weeks ago. The only thing Nebraska offers is a really, really good football team. That’s not going to be enough.
I think there are different ways to take Delany’s statements. You can say they mean the BXI is going to look southward and try to get a piece of the pie down there (despite the fact that there’s a relative paucity of schools down that way that would be good fits) OR you can say it suggests he’s going to look to shore up the base in the midwest/east as much as possible. Nebraska doesn’t bring a lot of new subscribers, but they do bring a lot of attention, which can also translate into more money (via higher ad rates, mainly). Aside from ND and Texas, they’re almost certainly the biggest TV draw among the likely expansion candidates. No one’s going to get too excited about Missouri-Penn State, but Nebraska-Penn State WILL get a big rating. So would games against Michigan and Ohio State. Their games against “second-tier” BXI opponents like, say, Iowa, Wisco, Michigan State would also likely draw much higher ratings than the equivalent game with Rutgers or Missouri or Syracuse in the Nebraska spot.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Good points all
The Nebraska of today is not the Nebraska of 20 or 50 years from now. Climate change is going to devastate the agriculture, the kids are going to leave and it will end up another Dakota with a few hundred thousand people. Not enough to support a Div 1 school. Iowa is going to have it’s own troubles for the same reasons, but they won’t be as bad and we’re already in.
Facts sometimes have a strange and bizarre power that makes their inherent truth seem unbelievable. - Werner Herzog
GLOBAL WARMING IS NOT REAL IT'S JUST A CYCLE AND SUNSPOTS AND SOCIALISM AND TEH GHEYS AND DRILLBABYDRILL ALSO
/retard’d
"Enough of your borax, Poindexter! We need action!"
by Bucketochicken on Jun 5, 2010 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Clearly
It is a Communist plot to impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.
/Dr. Strangelove’d
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
+1964...
…or +1984 if impurity is pure.
[I’m actually not sure how to respond to your post, but I wanted to give kudos for the reference. Smiling on a Monday is so rare.]
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jun 7, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
No fighting in the War Room.
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by Leftcoast Hawk on Jun 7, 2010 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions
If you're going to invoke the coming man-made apocalypse
you may also want to note that the majority of the SEC, ACC and Pac 10 will be under water. That’s right, the University of Illinois will have an NCAA surfing team in 2058.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jun 5, 2010 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I can't wait for Iowa's beach volleyball dynasty to arrive.
It’s gonna be so fantastic.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
As long as
they do the recruiting out of Brazil…..
Facts sometimes have a strange and bizarre power that makes their inherent truth seem unbelievable. - Werner Herzog
We'll never get the national respect needed to win it all
after having to force three late “side-outs” in order to beat Drake in an early-season game.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jun 6, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Will they still be wearing bun huggers then?
God I hope so.
Who's leg do I have to hump to get a drink around here?-Brian
In (Women's) beach volleyball...
the uniforms tend to be bikinis… I’m on board with that.
Master of the convoluted IOWA cheers!
by EnergizerHawk on Jun 6, 2010 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions
With increased heat comes new uniforms...
…a.k.a. Volly-floss.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jun 7, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't forget
when zombies overrun all the major population centers the more rural teams like Nebraska and Iowa will be the new Texas and Ohio State of the remaining football teams.
by HawkeyeInExile on Jun 5, 2010 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions
If we're going to worry about that....
Then I’ll also add that Nebraska will be vulnerable after a country like Iran or North Korea detonates an EMP over the middle of America. Delany, of course, hoarding all of the Faraday cages, but we can’t be sure about Dan Beebe.
"I want your money, but I don't want your two cents." - JVP
by ReadingRambler on Jun 6, 2010 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Interesting points, I suppose.
I imagine this might depend on how far down the road the BXI is projecting.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Well...
I take the Carlin approach to climate change debate. That is, the earth is bigger than us little people. I’d also add that the climate varies from region to region, and warmer weather was good for the crops in the medieval warm period.
Either way, I don’t think anyone at the Big Ten offices cares much about projections about climates.
"I want your money, but I don't want your two cents." - JVP
by ReadingRambler on Jun 6, 2010 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Not true...
Didn’t they cite climate/weather as the reason they didn’t allow games to start in the evening in November?
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jun 6, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
What do you mean, not true?
Do you really think anyone at the Big Ten would deny Nebraska because some scientists say the Earth is warming to such and such degree?
"I want your money, but I don't want your two cents." - JVP
by ReadingRambler on Jun 6, 2010 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions
So what you're saying is
Global Warming = Bring on the night games!!!
by HawkeyeInExile on Jun 6, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions
@Rambler...
I’m not saying they would shun NU because of that reason. What I am saying is that someone in the Big Ten offices claims to care about weather/climate because they used it as a lame excuse not to have outdoor night games late in the season.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jun 6, 2010 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions
"Projections"
There may be (I wouldn’t know, ‘cause I’m only a layman) projections by some scientists that show DEATH DESTRUCTION MAD MAX OH NOES in the future. That’s different from no night games in November. One doesn’t need projections to tell one that it will be freezing in East Lansing in mid-November. That’s like projecting the sun to rise.
"I want your money, but I don't want your two cents." - JVP
by ReadingRambler on Jun 6, 2010 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions
In other news...
…the sun will rise tomorrow… unless it doesn’t.
Back to you Karen.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jun 7, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
However, in 1 billion years, when the sun expands to the Red Giant stage, we will all be screwed.
My blog: http://www.gretainthebox.com
by Leftcoast Hawk on Jun 7, 2010 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions
But life on Titan will be delightful
If you believe the UK Daily Mail and a recent article they posted, there is some evidence suggesting that methane based life is thriving on the surface of Titan today…
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by Leftcoast Hawk on Jun 7, 2010 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, but "Earth + Plastic"
doesn’t necessarily include “living things.”
"Enough of your borax, Poindexter! We need action!"
by Bucketochicken on Jun 6, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Footnoted point.
If the Big 12 disappears, it just got a whole lot easier for Reece Morgan to pick and choose the 5 Iowa-guy scholarships each year.
“Son, sure you could go to Iowa and play in storied, legendary stadiums with 100,000 people on primetime on ABC. But we’re still in the MWC, and we play UNLV at midnight, every other year. On the Versus network. Then we fly home, and we usually get to Des Moines for the bus ride back to Ames by 8 a.m. Sunday. It’s really great.”
Mr. Boh Knows ...
Every Thursday (and sometimes on Saturdays!) hundreds of people will tune in to Cyclone Radio coverage and hear your name!
"Enough of your borax, Poindexter! We need action!"
by Bucketochicken on Jun 5, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
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