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It's Not Plagiarism If You Link To It Still Wants To Go To The Grotto

Honors, schmonors -- what about the grotto?!  As we noted earlier in the week, the Iowa football team (and a handful of players in particular) continue to drown in pre-season accolades; Andy Hamilton has a run-down of more of them.  But more importantly: Adrian Clayborn is mad.

The one thing missing for Clayborn in all this is a trip to the Playboy Mansion. He was recently named to the magazine's All-America team.

"There's no party this year," Clayborn said. "That's what kind of makes me mad, but I'll take the honor. It really is an honor. ... I wish we (got a trip to the mansion). I wouldn't mind taking a dip in the grotto."

Do you realize what you've done, Hef?  The last time Clayborn got mad, this happened:

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Josh Nesbitt was never seen again.

I hope you're prepared for the havoc that Clayborn intends to wreak on opposing teams this fall, Hef. 

"We're going to take it to Eastern Illinois. We're not going to have a repeat of UNI. We'll start off there."

May God have mercy on EIU.

Welcome aboard, but what does he think of the Dillon-East Dillon rivalry?  In Caring Is Creepy news, Iowa picked up its fifth verbal commitment of the recruiting season, landing WR Austin Vincent from DeSoto, TX.  Vincent said Erik Campbell described him as McNutt-like, but at 6'2", 171 lbs., he's got some growin' to do before that's an apt comparison, at least physically.  Hopefully he's as glue-handed as McNutt proved to be last year.  Vincent is the third receiver to verbal to Iowa this spring and, according to him, the last.

Vincent said Thursday that Iowa told him it’s finished recruiting receivers in this class.

Which may in fact be true: the three guys on board should balance out the three departing seniors (DJK, Sandeman, and Chaney) and incoming freshman Don Shumpert, previously rumored to be shoring up the depth at safety, is now going to be starting out at wide receiver.  FUN FACTZ: Vincent becomes both the second recruit named "Austin" (joining Austin Blythe) to verbal to Iowa and the second recruit with two first names (joining Marcus Grant) to come aboard.

Star-divide

Your obligatory expansion updates.  No, nothing about more teams being added -- we aren't going to learn more on that front for months, most likely -- but there is a little chatter about divisions and scheduling issues.  ESPN's Adam Rittenberg notes that the former should be settled by late August and talks to Big Ten sources who hammer home what everyone drawing up division plans should already know -- geography be damned:

How far back should the ADs go to evaluate programs?

"You have to look with a wide lens," Burke said. "You have to look over a 50-year period and look at who’s been consistent. If you take a snapshot of a five-year period or a 10-year period, you may miss it. Clearly, Michigan and Ohio State and Penn State and Nebraska, if you look at a 50-year history, are your four biggest brands. It doesn’t mean they win all the time, but they’re your biggest brands. I don’t think there’ll be any disagreement among all the Big Ten ADs about that.

"You’re not going to stack all four of them in one division. You’re going to try to create some level of parity."

If you're still drawing up divisional alignments that have Michigan, Ohio State, and Penn State in the same division... UR DOIN IT WRONG.  It's not happening.

And as far as scheduling goes... a nine-game conference schedule is very much on the table.  If that happens, say goodbye to virtually all interesting non-conference match-ups involving Big Ten teams.

We like meaningless awards.  In the throes of the mid-summer doldrums, BTN did what any self-respecting network would do to drum up some content: create some meaningless awards!  While nominated in multiple categories, Iowa took home glory in only two: Men's Team of the Year (Iowa Wrestling) and Best Game (Iowa's OT loss to Ohio State in football).  Kirk Ferentz and Tom Brands lost out on Men's Coach of the Year to Tom Izzo, while Lisa Bluder lost Women's Coach of the Year to Penn State Women's Volleyball impresario Russ Rose.  The "7 got 6" finish lost out to Michigan-Ohio State hoopyball in the Big Ten Tournament (if memory serves, Evan Turner drained a 40-foot heave to give OSU the win) and Turner also aced Iowa (and Adrian Clayborn) out of the Breakout Performer of the Year category.  None of those losses are terribly surprising, although the fact that Adrian Clayborn's first-half demolition of the Georgia Tech offense in the Orange Bowl wasn't even nominated for Most Dominating Performance is, frankly, flabbergasting.


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He will challenge Vladimir Putin and his lover Dmitry Medvedev to a 2 on 1 match and then defeat Communism.

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by hkobb7 on Jun 25, 2010 11:17 AM CDT reply actions  

3 degrees of seperation

My coworker’s nephew made a recruiting visit a few weeks ago. They were looking at him for WR… guess that’s not going to happen. I told him if he has any recruiting material he is going to throw away, see if he can get his hands on it to give to me. If that happens (big if), I’ll scan the interesting bits and post it.

He said Stanzi throws the ball hard enough to make it painful to catch. Welcome to the D-1.

Facts sometimes have a strange and bizarre power that makes their inherent truth seem unbelievable. - Werner Herzog

by Flakbait on Jun 25, 2010 11:36 AM CDT reply actions  

You mean

Like this?

What do you think he’s giving these kids? The fall playbook? Amazing phrases that should they fall into the hands of Jamie Pollard will ensure the downfall of Hawkeye Football? The secret handshake?

Facts sometimes have a strange and bizarre power that makes their inherent truth seem unbelievable. - Werner Herzog

by Flakbait on Jun 26, 2010 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fuck, I want to know the secret handshake.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Jun 26, 2010 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

re: FUN FACTZ...

If you count Blythe Danner, that makes three incoming recruits with double first names.


"Kittens give Morbo gas."

by Bucketochicken on Jun 25, 2010 11:42 AM CDT reply actions  

I don't know, Ross

the article on the 9-game schedule had a few AD’s (Alvarez in particular) sounding like they’d do away with the FCS games rather than the non-con home-and-homes. While I’d be surprised to see that happen, it would be great for all fans of good football.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Jun 25, 2010 12:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, that is true.

And, certainly, that would be a great outcome — obviously we’d all love to see fewer games against I-AA punching bags and more competitive games against similar teams.

I just have my doubts about that happening, which some of the Big Ten sources even acknowledged in the piece. The need for as many home games as possible is real and the need to rack up wins to impress pollsters and be ranked high enough to get into the good bowls at the end of the season is still very real. The latter probably won’t be solved until we get a playoff system in place that guarantees a spot to the conference champion — if teams know they just need to win their league to get a guaranteed shot at the national title, they might be a little more willing to schedule more interesting teams in the non-conf. portion.

I’m also curious to see how the revenue sharing would work out in this 9-game conference schedule plan. I’m assuming the only way to make it work is to take the revenue from that extra conference game, add it together, and split it twelve ways — this seems like a potential bonanza for a school like Indiana or Northwestern who isn’t pulling in much from that game otherwise, but potentially detrimental to a school like Ohio State or Penn State, who’s still raking in gobs of cash to play Mt. Mercy. I think it only works if the shares are guaranteed to be at least as big or bigger than what schools like OSU and PSU could pull in under the current scheduling policies.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Jun 25, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well clearly unevenly splitting revenues

is a fantastic way to run a conference…

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Jun 25, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think they should invoke a Deloss Dods corollary and award the additional conference home game to the schools with the 6 highest attendance to capacity %age, and the other 6 can go fuck themselves. I think we’re safe under that premise.

by txhawkeye on Jun 25, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I originally wrote “Dodds” because I actually know how to spell. Not sure what happened.

by txhawkeye on Jun 25, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Indeed.

But my understanding was that now the Big Ten schools split bowl and TV monies, but that they don’t really share gate receipts (beyond whatever percentage they may be stipulated to give to the road teams). If they have to start eating into more of those gate receipts to make this 9-game schedule work, it might lead to some grumbling from the big fish.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Jun 25, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

It will be interesting to see if this keeps them at 8 games.

8 still works very well for a divisional split if you don’t have a cross division protected game. You’d at least play a home and away with every conference team over 4 years.

by HawkeyeRecon on Jun 26, 2010 1:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

And if the two best teams dont play each other

There will be the conference champ game to settle it

"I believe I have the total package of speed, strength, and explosion," Adrian F@#kin Clayborn

by DportROTCHawki on Jun 28, 2010 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know that this creates yearly disparities between schools

But what about not sharing gate receipts at all? If you guarantee that every school will alternate between 5 and 4 home games on a yearly basis, it at least provides predictability in terms of revenue and avoids OSU subsidizing jNWU.

by PackerHawk on Jun 25, 2010 4:31 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Sure...

But I can’t see anyone signing off on a plan that could see them getting less in a given year than they are now.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Jun 25, 2010 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

You probably don't want to support this if you're a Hawk fan.

The following schools have larger stadiums than us: OSU, PSU, Mich, Mich St, Wisky, Nebraska. That just perpetuates the imbalance of money and an arms race in football, which I don’t see Iowa winning with our board of regents.

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Jun 25, 2010 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

That last comment was in response to PantherHawk.

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Jun 25, 2010 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's not my name.

And he hasn’t been on here yet.

I don’t think it’s the answer, just throwing it out there. I know where we stand stadium-size wise. I think that the 9 game schedule creates some major revenue headaches. Also, the last stadium renovation didn’t use any money from the regents, the indoor facility (if and when it happens) likewise. It does create an arms race, but since we will never have the athletic department budgets of the bigger schools with the bigger stadiums, I’m not sure it’s insurmountable. We do okay now with our smaller stadium. That could change as the arms race amps up however.

by PackerHawk on Jun 25, 2010 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Forgive me.

I did mean PackerHawk. My bad.

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Jun 25, 2010 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why is everyone okay

with giving the OSU v UM winner an auto-bid to the CCG?

For obscurity's sake, people, Evan Hailes needs you.

by KevinHD on Jun 25, 2010 2:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Who is saying that?

I’ve never heard that. Although I could just be missing it……

Facts sometimes have a strange and bizarre power that makes their inherent truth seem unbelievable. - Werner Herzog

by Flakbait on Jun 25, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Most are assuming that OSU-UM need to be split to avoid a CCG rematch.

If we also assume the same dominance if they remain in the same division, then we are effectively granting the winner an auto-bid.

After lurking at BSD, I’ve been sold on the east/west split. Put PSU in with OSU & UM and let the Wisconsin/Iowa/Nebby group run the west. Leaving PSU in the East means that UM/OSU will have to earn their way into the title game, because, face it, MSU/jNW/Ind/Illinois certainly aren’t going to threaten them.

by The Mexican't on Jun 25, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Penn St should be put in the East

A geographic split is the best way to maintain parity. The fact it makes sense on a map just sweetens the deal. Ohio St and Penn St should be in the same division.

by HawkeyeRecon on Jun 26, 2010 1:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

I second that emotion.

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Jun 26, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think he may have been facetiously suggesting

that without a super awesome team like PSU in their division, no one else could possibly beat OSU or UM and thus the winner would be in the CCG.

by The Great Dark Spot Near Uranus on Jun 26, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’m not talking “super awesome,” I’m talking relevant and not sucky. Moving PSU to the west and not sending Wisconsin to the east (which no one suggests because of rivalries) leaves OSU, UM and four of the worst six teams in the league. It’s not outrageous to think that OSU (mostly) and UM (assuming they get their head of ouf their ass) will win 18 of the next 20 divisions titles.

That’s hardly “competitively balanced.”

For obscurity's sake, people, Evan Hailes needs you.

by KevinHD on Jun 27, 2010 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's a fair point.

A lot can happen in 20 years, though. For example, the past 20 years have seen 3 conf titles for Wisc and 3 for jNW — in both cases their first conf titles in quite a while. Plus, the Big Ten hasn’t really been The Big 2 And The Little 8 since (roughly) the 70’s. Given the assumption about UM returning to form, I’d (blindly) guess UM or OSU (though not necessarily the winner of the UM-OSU game) would win the division about 50%-75% of the time, probably closer to 75%. 18 of 20 isn’t a huge leap from 15 of 20, and is, as you say, not outrageous.

Sorry if I missed it, but who’s being sent to the east in place of PSU in this scenario?

by The Great Dark Spot Near Uranus on Jun 27, 2010 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wisconsin seems to be the most popular option.

To keep it from being OSU/Michigan and the Pips.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Jun 28, 2010 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thats gotta suck for PSU

Having to travel to Iowa, Neb, Minn and whatevr west team is put in there. Also visa-versa for us and the other teams going there but not as bad as multiple games like PSU

"I believe I have the total package of speed, strength, and explosion," Adrian F@#kin Clayborn

by DportROTCHawki on Jun 28, 2010 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Excellent point.

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Jun 28, 2010 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

What EXACTLY is the definition of "grotto"?

I have a pool and a pond, the pond would probably bebetter for you….My 4 year old daughter also said that A.C. could use her pool anytime he wanted.

Who's leg do I have to hump to get a drink around here?-Brian

by fliphawk4 on Jun 25, 2010 2:32 PM CDT reply actions  

The lawn is...

a hybrid between kentucky blue grass and northern california sensimilla.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrcgjMJmvNg

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Jun 25, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

State of Iowa basketball under Lickliter and McDimwit

McDimwit had NBA players and could do nothing with them. Lickliter had absolutely no ability to recruit players of NBA quality (and if he could he would not be able to retain them anyway) and thus he could accomplish little as well.

The recent blog post by Scott Doc discussing Fran Mac’s effort to overhaul the bodies of the Lickliter players is nothing short of fascinating (the true test will be Cougill…if Cougill looks less doughy, even a little color me awestruck). This guy Fran Mac is not only replacing the drapes, the carpet and repainting the old place, he’s razing the place.

"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.

by StoopsMyAss on Jun 25, 2010 3:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Yep...

if Drake and UNI had not had some good basketball seasons recently, imagine how much more awful the Iowa winters would have been.

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Jun 25, 2010 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Where do i find this/

Is it on BHGP or somewhere else?

"I believe I have the total package of speed, strength, and explosion," Adrian F@#kin Clayborn

by DportROTCHawki on Jun 28, 2010 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

http://www.uni.edu/ncaa/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%9308_Drake_Bulldogs_men%27s_basketball_team

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Jun 28, 2010 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nine games won't necessarily kill the non-con schedule

It might eliminate the FCS cupcakes as others have stated, however. Just look at the Pac 10, the schools that want to are still able to get interesting matchups (USC-OSU, Cal-TN, UCLA-TN, USC-NE, UW-NE, Oregon-Michigan, AZ-IA, etc…) Not all of those games were the headliners they could have been, but they still were able to get quality BCS teams on their calendars (and Minnesota and Purdue as well).

by PackerHawk on Jun 25, 2010 4:27 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Many of those schools also can't draw flies to their stadiums if they don't have a decent match-up.

That isn’t a problem shared by a lot of Big Ten schools.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Jun 25, 2010 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Oregon and USC show it can be done

Even when you get a full house regardless. It will be interesting to see if ADs shoot for one blockbuster to boost their rep or take the approach that the ninth conference game takes the place of a quality BCS school.

by PackerHawk on Jun 25, 2010 5:45 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I will say...

that while the effect of such a schedule on Big Ten teams in general is pretty speculative, I can just about guarantee that for Iowa in particular it will be the death of games against the likes of Arizona, Pitt, Arizona State, etc. We don’t appear to have PSU’s ability to get one-off home games with BCS schools, and juggling a 9-game conference schedule, the ISU series, a home-and-away with another BCS school, AND the desire to have 7 home games every year (or damn near) will be a nightmare.

I’m also skeptical of the plan not curtailing a lot of inter-conference match-ups because Big Ten teams haven’t exactly been going out of their way to schedule 2+ BCS teams on their schedules in the 5-6 years since the 12-game season was approved. So now teams that are mainly playing 9 games against BCS schools are going to go up to 10 (or more) games against BCS foes? I dunno. I think they value those home games against cupcakes and the easier path they open up for bowl bids.

I have mixed feelings about playing more Big Ten games in general; on one hand, it would obviously be fun to play our Big Ten opponents more often, because that is who we’re most familiar with and who we have the most history with — that’s good. On the other hand, if it leads to Big Ten teams becoming more insular and having less contact with other BCS schools (at least prior to bowl season), I don’t think that’s necessarily a good thing. Inter-conference match-ups are often fun and (occasionally) a good measuring stick.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Jun 25, 2010 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree it will totally screw Iowa’s schedule as there will only be room for one BCS school and that will be taken by ISU. Then we’d actually need them to be good on a consistent basis.

While I agree that it would mean one BCS opponent a year, I think some ADs would then schedule the best BCS schools they can. So instead of Wisco scheduling one FCS, UNLV, and 2 MAC, they may schedule UNLV one MAC and an SEC. As OSU has shown, one blockbuster game makes a lot of people forget about the crap teams on the ooc schedule.

It could also mean more NFL stadium split receipt one timers.

by PackerHawk on Jun 25, 2010 5:43 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

In other news

Des Moines was named to host the 2013 NCAA Wrestling Championships this morning, this should be fun.

by Hank Thrasher on Jun 25, 2010 4:43 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, I forgot to mention that in the blurbz section.

Nice to see it coming back to Iowa; hopefully we’re going for a 6th straight national title that season…

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Jun 25, 2010 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Next year is going to be tough

Especially considering the Montell Marion situation. If we can reload and compete next year with all the underclassmen we’re going to have… 6 straight is not as crazy as some might think.

Can’t wait to go to the matches. Considering Iowa has the most fans at the NCAA’s every year anyway, can you imagine the amount of black and gold that’s going to be in the stands in 2013? It will be insane…

"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable

by ClaybornSmash on Jun 25, 2010 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that's the flipside for Iowa fans -- it's going to be a really tough ticket to get.

I don’t genuinely expect six in a row (sweet as it would be), but it’s all a crapshoot until we see what the new faces can do next year. If they can step in and keep the wins rolling… hell, who knows? I don’t see any hands down favorites out there the way Iowa was the last couple years.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Jun 26, 2010 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think McDonough stands a good chance of repeating

And if he does that, Iowa could still win another title with points in the wrestlebacks. It would probably mean a nailbiter title likie 2009, but I would take that. It would also be an impressive feat of coaching, but who wants to tell Brands that they doubt him?

by PackerHawk on Jun 26, 2010 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not me.

I have a lot of confidence in McD, but we’ll also need a lot of new guys to step up. No reason they can’t – or won’t – but until they do, it’s hard to know what to expect.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Jun 26, 2010 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I saw that too.

That will be awesome. +1 to RossWb response too.

by iowagnome on Jun 25, 2010 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

As much as I'd like to take a dip "in the grotto".

I’d also want to body wash with hand sanitizer afterward and get some prophylactic antibiotic meds. No telling what’s been done in that water.

by Stay thirsty, my friends. on Jun 25, 2010 4:43 PM CDT reply actions  

I think you have a pretty good idea what’s been in that water. I’d request a full body spray of insecticide followed by the Meryl Streep treatment in “Silkwood”.

by txhawkeye on Jun 25, 2010 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Clayborn saying that about Eastern Illinois is like Kaiser Wilhelm laughing at up at Belgium or something.

Have some compassion, man. Eastern Illinois would have lost by 40 to 2007 Appy State.

"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I

by ReadingRambler on Jun 25, 2010 11:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Interesting also

Because there is a good chance that AC won’t be playing that game – or has the punishment been handed out for the cabbie “incident?”

Too high? What do you mean too high?

by The Bacon Explosion on Jun 26, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think he can impact that game even on suspension through practice and leadership off the field

And if he’s talking about the attitude of the whole team it doesn’t matter if he’s actually on the field.

by PackerHawk on Jun 26, 2010 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

There were a few years in the late 70's / early 80's

when some or all Big Ten teams played 9 conference games. (For example, if I’m not mistaken, in 1981, Iowa and OSU shared the Big Ten title at 6-2 in conference, while Michigan finished second at 6-3.) I believe bitterness/pettiness over the unequal number of home/away games in a single season played a least a minor part in a return to 8 conference games. So even if the Big Ten was to go to a 9 game conference schedule, I wouldn’t be too surprised if it only lasted a decade or less.

by The Great Dark Spot Near Uranus on Jun 26, 2010 2:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Whatever they do

Everyone needs to play the same number of games to avoid a scenario like that

"I believe I have the total package of speed, strength, and explosion," Adrian F@#kin Clayborn

by DportROTCHawki on Jun 28, 2010 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

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