WORLD CUP OPEN THREAD, DAY 12: The French Farce Must Continue
9:00 CT, ESPN: Mexico vs. Uruguay (Group A). Uruguay and Mexico are atop Group A, with Uruguay enjoying a narrow advantage based on their better goal difference (+3 versus Mexico's +2 GD). In theory, both sides could happily play out a dull, lifeless draw and ensure that both sides skip into the next round. In practice, however, that means that Mexico will likely draw a rampaging Argentina side as their first opponent in the knockout round. Since that may not be someone they're too keen on facing, it wouldn't be a shock to see Mexico go for the win in this game. It's difficult to say how good either side is, since their opponents have been a South Africa side that's high on heart but low on talent, and France side that's low on pride, but high on talent. Difficult to say what to expect out of this one, although a draw does seem likely.
9:00 CT, ESPN2: France vs. South Africa (Group A). Neither France nor South Africa have officially been eliminated from contention for a spot in the knockout rounds, but with negative goal differences (-2 for France, -3 for Mexico) and a single point apiece, they both need a fair amount of help (a decisive win in their own game and a decisive loss for one of the sides in the Uruguay-Mexico match). With French players getting sent home and the entire team striking from practice, it certainly seems like they're ready for their disastrous World Cup run to be at an end. Or perhaps they'll actually play with a bit of spirit just to stick it to their reviled coach, Raymond Domenench. Any result seems possible, really.
1:30 CT, ESPN: Argentina vs. Greece (Group B). The Greeks appeared to be headed for another lifeless performance and an early exit from the tournament until Sani Keita of Nigeria lost his mind and got a red card for kicking at a Greek player on the out-of-bounds line. The previously moribund Greek side sprung to life and scored not one but two goals (their only two goals in World Cup history, in fact) and came away with the win -- and new life in Group B. Unfortunately, they're now up against Argentina, one of the few sides who's actually looked quality in this tournament. While Argentina has looked dodgy at the back thus far, Greece is not the team to really put them to the test. Argentina has the group all but won, but here's guessing that they want to advance in style.
1:30 CT, ESPN2: Nigeria vs. South Korea (Group B). Despite not notching a single point in this tournament, Nigeria is alive for a spot in the knockout rounds -- they just need to win by two or more goals and have Argentina beat Greece. South Korea's own defensive frailties were exposed by Argentina, but they may not be quite as tested by the fairly toothless Nigerian attack. A scoring draw likely sees South Korea through, unless you think Greek can beat Argentina. And while it would be nice to see one African team through to the next round, the South Koreans probably deserve it a bit more (although certainly both teams would be preferable to seeing the dour Greeks advance).
Anyhoo, usual rules of game threads apply: no porn, no discussion of piracy; if you can't watch the game on TV, there are legal online streams at ESPN3.com. Beyond that, the topic is verboten.
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Maybe the French will play inspired soccer today to send Domenech out with a bang.
Nah, you’re probably right. South Africa takes it 2-1 and gets to leave the tournament with a small amount of pride.
Did you put money on the result? Nice call.
"I know you're from Middle America, and sometimes you feel like you're representing more than just a school or a conference, maybe an entire group of American citizens out there."
by Twin Cities Hawk on Jun 22, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
I didn't.
But it’s also the only score I’ve called correctly, so I didn’t have much faith.
by The Mexican't on Jun 22, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
I just hope Ribery scores a damned goal.
After everyone talked him up so much, I expected better things.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Ribery might be the most overrated player in the world
Just my humble opinion…
"I know you're from Middle America, and sometimes you feel like you're representing more than just a school or a conference, maybe an entire group of American citizens out there."
by Twin Cities Hawk on Jun 22, 2010 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Hey, I took the advice from others.
I’m not arguing.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
No, I understand you're not arguing
Just saying that a lot of people rate him for the goals he’s scored at Bayern. This past year, he suffered from injuries and getting caught up in an underage prostitute scandal – not sure if that has had a lot to do with his recent lack of form.
"I know you're from Middle America, and sometimes you feel like you're representing more than just a school or a conference, maybe an entire group of American citizens out there."
by Twin Cities Hawk on Jun 22, 2010 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions
How much of this overrating
has to do with him stringing Arsenal along the last few off-seasons?
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jun 22, 2010 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Well
He really hasn’t strung Arsenal along lately (he did when he moved from OM to Bayern in 2006 or 2007 – can’t remember the year). Real Madrid has been the club after him the past couple years – almost buying him last year but passed due to the 60 million euros wanted by Bayern.
Ribery is extremely talented, no question about it. For 60 million euros, though, I want someone who is a leader (a trait I question; a leader doesn’t drive the team bus into a pole while training in Dubai) and who can perform in the big games when it matters the most (one goal in CL this year followed by his red card in the semis which saw him suspended for the Final). Not to mention that you can find his skill set (a winger with pace, dribbling ability and a shot) in a lot of other players who don’t cost nearly the amount that he’s valued at right now.
Maybe not overrated so much as overpriced; however, his game doesn’t stand out as being worthy of the praise he gets.
"I know you're from Middle America, and sometimes you feel like you're representing more than just a school or a conference, maybe an entire group of American citizens out there."
by Twin Cities Hawk on Jun 22, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
How Domenech remained coach after failing to reach the knockout stage at the 08 Euros
Is beyond me. The guy has been, by all accounts, fucking crazy, disliked by all and got bailed out by Zidane and Henry in the 06 WC.
Laurent Blanc is a solid coach. I expect France to rebound under his guidance, especially with all the great, young talent that they have (Gourcuff, Gignac, Nasri and Benzema).
"I know you're from Middle America, and sometimes you feel like you're representing more than just a school or a conference, maybe an entire group of American citizens out there."
by Twin Cities Hawk on Jun 22, 2010 9:05 AM CDT reply actions
1-0 South Africa
It’s kinda sad that a team with as much talent as France has very little chemistry. Just a disaster of a squad.
"I know you're from Middle America, and sometimes you feel like you're representing more than just a school or a conference, maybe an entire group of American citizens out there."
by Twin Cities Hawk on Jun 22, 2010 9:24 AM CDT reply actions
Good God, the hits just keep coming
Red for Cisse. To those watching this game, this has to be like watching a car accident in slow motion, right?
"I know you're from Middle America, and sometimes you feel like you're representing more than just a school or a conference, maybe an entire group of American citizens out there."
by Twin Cities Hawk on Jun 22, 2010 9:27 AM CDT reply actions
Wow
I am one of those people who care about soccer once every four years, and that mostly because I am unemployed until August 1.
That said, everyone who doesn’t have to work this morning for whatever reason needs to watch the French team’s Spring of 1940-level meltdown. This is like watching the Panzers flank the Maginot Line. I expect to see Germans marching down the Champs Elysee tomorrow.
by Midnight Rambler on Jun 22, 2010 9:30 AM CDT reply actions
Come on France
This isn’t a war. You can’t just quit.
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Another Goal For South Africa
Get the boats at Dunkirk ready.
/OK, enough of that meme from me
by Midnight Rambler on Jun 22, 2010 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Nah, Keep it going
I love it. I think a third goal means they can start building the Atlantic wall
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GOOOOOAAAAALLLL!!!
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Goal Uruguay
Is that like Belgium and the Netherlands knuckling under?
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And Uruguay puts one in ...
South Africa has another goal in them. This morning’s games will be better than I thought.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Jun 22, 2010 9:48 AM CDT reply actions
BAFANA BAFANA!
This sounds great.
So. Africa actually has a shot at making it to the next round now — they just need some combination of two more goals from themselves and Uruguay (one from SA, one from URU; or two from SA or two from URU; etc.) and they can jump past Mexico. Which would be fantastic.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
That shit was Bafanas...
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jun 22, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
You know, when I made that headline...
never in my wildest dreams did I expect France to go down 0-2 in the first half AND have a dude sent off with a red card. I’m impressed that they keep finding new depths of awfulness in this World Cup.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
GOAL, France.
That might sink South Africa’s hopes now.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Game over.
South Africa 2, France 1
Uruguay 1, Mexico 0
Uruguay and Mexico go through to the next round, with Uruguay in first place in the group.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Wow.
18 SOG for RSA. At least they are going out with a W.
"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me
by BStylin Hawkye on Jun 22, 2010 10:53 AM CDT reply actions
Edit that.
They got 2 more SOG as I typed the last comment.
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by BStylin Hawkye on Jun 22, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Exactly. They played admirably considering no one expected them to do much.
"I know you're from Middle America, and sometimes you feel like you're representing more than just a school or a conference, maybe an entire group of American citizens out there."
by Twin Cities Hawk on Jun 22, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, that's 21 shots, total.
“Only” 8 on goal (still a lot). If the French keeper had blocked 19 shots on goal, he would have had one hell of a day.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Yeah, I read that wrong.
It’s still quite the productive day for the RSA condisering they matched their output from their first 2 games combined in this one game.
"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me
by BStylin Hawkye on Jun 22, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Just woke up
and saw two result that I’m very pleased with:
1.Supremely talented quitters receive their just deserts from the home nation.
2.Weaselly neighbors progress only after incurring a loss.
Excellent.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
Round of 16
So Mexico likely plays their next game against Argentina, while Uruguay could play any of the three others in the group. Afternoon’s games should be exciting.
Go Argentina!
I would definitely favor Uruguay against any of the remaining teams in Group B, too.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Bring on the afternoon games!
I’ve got my sheet music ready…

Life - it's bigger...bigger than you and you are not me.
And yet,
If the score remains the same, S.Korea gets thru on total goals since both would have a GD of -1 and Korea has 3 goals to Nigeria’s 2. FIFA really needs to re-consider their second tie-breaker.
by The Mexican't on Jun 22, 2010 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Nigeria needs Argentina to score anyway.
Even if Nigeria wins, Greece will go through if that game remains level — they’d have 4 pts to Nigeria’s 3. Right now, So. Korea will go through ahead of Greece because they’ve scored 4 goals and Greece has only scored 2.
God, I hope So. Korea or Nigeria go through. Not goddamn Greece.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
And as I'm putting the finishing touches on the last comment
Lee-Jung Soo scores and the game is back to even.
Good games so far today.
I like the simultaneous format.
When is Messi gonna put one in the net?
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Jun 22, 2010 2:20 PM CDT reply actions
When he decides to stop Messi-ng around.
"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me
by BStylin Hawkye on Jun 22, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
He's made ...
a Messi of things?
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Jun 22, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
2-2 now in the So. Korea-Nigeria game.
Good for So. Korea, bad for Nigeria and Greece.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Nigeria needs one goal to go on. S. Korea needs to hold onto the draw.
Think they both know that?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Another goal!
Argentina 2-0….
Palermo with the goal.
Life - it's bigger...bigger than you and you are not me.
by hawkeyeguy85 on Jun 22, 2010 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Messi deserves credit though...
His first shot was on goal and put the keeper to the ground.
Life - it's bigger...bigger than you and you are not me.
by hawkeyeguy85 on Jun 22, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
HOLY CRAP!
Nigeria was coming close.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Game over.
Argentina 2, Greece 0. 81% possession for Argentina! Insane.
South Korea 2, Nigeria 2.
Argentina and South Korea advance.
Argentina plays Mexico on Sunday. Uruguay plays South Korea on Saturday.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
You'd think a Greek team that should have known they'd have to win ...
… would go on the offensive a little more. Not that they’re any good at that.
Going on the offensive would likely have left them open for the counter.
It’s not as if Argentina was scoring at will. It took them, what, 73 minutes? Even with 81% of the possession, Maradona’s men weren’t pouring them in. That said, it’s probably true that the Greek probably should have played as aggressively as possible, while still maintaing some semblance of a defense.
by The Mexican't on Jun 22, 2010 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, but a draw (especially 0-0) does them no good whatsoever
It requires Nigeria to upset South Korea, which came a lot closer to happening than I expected, but it’s anti-percentage. (So is beating Argentina, I guess, but a loss kills you and you’re not going to keep them off the board forever if you give them shot after shot.)
If you’re just as dead after a 1-0 loss as you are after a 7-0 loss, bunkering is not the way to go.

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