Better Know An Iowa Football Opponent 2010: Penn State Nittany Lions (Part One)
The off-season is a long and tiresome trudge, so how can we best get through it? By looking ahead to next year, of course. So, in the spirit of forward thinking, we present a team-by-team look at Iowa's 2010 football opponents (with looks at Illinois and Purdue thrown in for good measure so our Big Televen brethren don't feel ignored). Next up: the Penn State Nittany Lions. Them again?
PENN STATE NITTANY LIONS (@ Iowa City, IA; October 2, 2010; 7:00pm CT; ABC/ESPN/ESPN2)
Where the devil do they play? That would be Beaver Stadium, also known as the world's largest erector set.
What conference do they play in? Um, I think we can discontinue this portion of the preview; from here on in, everyone's in our very own beloved Big Ten conference.
What did they do last year? Ho-hum. Just your run-of-the-mill 11-2 season. They rolled through the early powderpuff portion of their schedule, only to have their offensive line (and Daryll Clark) collapse in horrendous fashion against Iowa in a much-hyped primetime "revenge game." That game gave us this beloved image, too:
Oh, and this sequence. That was pretty neat.
(click through to see it in all its glory)
Post-Iowa, they got things back on track with a string of comfortable wins over mighty Eastern Illinois and a string of Big Ten bottom-dwellers (oh, and just Northwestern, too). Unfortunately, in their other big regular season game of the year, the Nitts also came up short, getting rolled by Pryor and the Buckeyes. Yet again, though, the Lions picked themselves up off the canvas and went back to the business of beating their lessors, before wrapping things up with an ugly win over LSU on one of the worst fields of all-time. Penn State's 2009 season can -- and perhaps should -- serve as a warning note to Iowa fans as we dream of Pasadena or Glendale or other BCS destinations. Like Iowa in 2010, Penn State entertained their toughest foes (Iowa, Ohio State) at home. Like Iowa, they featured a returning senior quarterback. Like Iowa, their biggest concern was rebuilding a depleted offensive line. Can Iowa succeed where Penn State failed (relatively speaking)? Time will tell.
So do they have, like, history with Iowa? You could say that. Ferentz's record against Penn State (7-2) is the bizarro version of his record against Ohio State (1-6). Penn State fans are often quick to point out that many of those wins came during Penn State's "dark ages" from 2000-2004. And there's a little truth to that, since four of the wins came in years when PSU finished below .500. But whatever: we prefer to simply acknowledge the undeniable truth that Ferentz pwns JoePa. Penn State's been out of the dark ages the past two years -- and the story was still the same: Iowa wins and sad Penn State fans weep bitter tears of defeat.
Still, aside from the 2008 game, when Daniel Murray's kick heard 'round the world drilled Penn State out of national title contention, the Iowa-PSU showdowns have almost always meant far more to Iowa than they have to Penn Sate. The 2000 win was significant for being Ferentz's first road win at Iowa (and just his second Big Ten win) and the first Iowa road win in over two years. The 2002 win proved that the team wasn't going to be haunted by the specter of the ghastly loss to Iowa State two weeks earlier -- and that a special season might be possible. The 2004 win was an emotional release for the Ferentz family just days after the death of Kirk Ferentz's father (and a game that set offensive football back a few decades). The 2008 win was not just an opportunity to play spoiler to PSU's national title aspirations -- it was an opportunity to reverse course on three years of mediocre results and announce the return of Iowa football to prominence. The 2009 win was a chance to confirm that 2008 was no fluke -- and to add Daryll Clark to the ranks of the bitchmade.
What's the one thing you should know about Penn State? Did you know Beaver Stadium holds a jail where Paterno imprisons and murders his enemies with the add of a '70s Russian lounge singer-cum-assassin? It's true.
How many of these fools were around a year ago? Phil Steele says 14 total -- 8 on offenses, 5 on defense, and a kicker. Phil would never lie to us, right?
What should we expect when Penn State has the ball? Lots of running the ball, most likely.
Stretching is important -- you don't want to cramp up and get decapitated by Adrian Clayborn, do you?
Few schools in the Big Ten are as unsettled at quarterback as Penn State. With DC17 having exhausted his eligibility, the race is wide open for his replacement. Kevin Newsome was the early favorite to replace him, but he didn't run away with the job during spring practice. True freshman Paul Jones actually had the most impressive showing at the spring game, although that was mitigated slightly by the fact that he did his damage against second and third-team defenders. Newsome brings more of a scrambling approach to the position (think Michael Robinson), while Jones is more of a traditional pocket passer (think Clark or perhaps a less-shitty Anthony Morelli). By the time they roll into Iowa City in early October, one of the two should have the position locked down, although at this early stage neither looks terribly worrying. Freshman Robert Bolden and sophomore Matt McGloin may also be in the mix.
ZOOOM. Teal on a football uniform? When did PSU play the Carolina Panthers?
On the other hand, one position where Penn State's offense is well-stocked with talent and experience is running back, where last year's top two leading rushers, Evan Royster and Stephon Greene, both return. Royster's stats were diminished from a year ago (2008: 1236 yards, 6.5 ypc, 12 TDs; 2009: 1169 yards, 5.7 ypc, 6 TDs), as were Green's (2008: 578 yards, 5.5 ypc, 4 TDs; 2009: 319 yards, 4.5 ypc, 3 TDs). The leaky new offensive line seems like a better explanation for those less impressive stats than any sort of loss in ability on the part of Royster or Green. Given the uncertainty at quarterback, it's not much of a stretch to think that PSU will rely heavily on Royster and Green this fall. Neither Green (6 carries for 61 yards and 1 reception for 9 yards) nor Royster (59 carries for 245 yards and 1 TD; 3 catches for 19 yards) have had tremendous success against past Iowa defenses, though.
Be very cautious when approaching Graham Zug in the wild. (H/T to Black Shoe Diaries.)
Penn State also returns quite a bit in the receiving corps -- their top five receivers in terms of receptions, yards, and touchdowns are all back, led by Derek Moye (48/785/6) and "General" Graham Zug (46/600/7). Also returning are Chaz Powell (28/366/3, and best known for torching Amari Spievey like a cinder last year, although Phil Steele thinks he's moving to CB, in which case he could become the torch-ee rather than the torcher), Curtis Drake (8/98/0) and Justin Brown (5/78/0). Of special note is the fact that they have an up-and-coming receiver by the name of Christian Kuntz, who may in fact be the illegitimate offspring of our very own Tyger Kuntz. Having an experienced group of receivers back is nice, but their effectiveness could be limited by the inexperienced faces throwing them passes. It wouldn't be too surprising if, through no fault of their own, the receivers enjoy less statistically impressive seasons this year as PSU breaks in a new quarterback and emphasizes its veteran running backs.
As for that much-mentioned offensive line... PSU returns five guys with starting experience in 2010, including 1st-team All-Big Ten C Stefan Wisniewski, who's moving to RG in 2010. The other starters figure to be Doug Klopacz (C), Johnnie Troutman (LG), Lou Eliades (RT, moving from RG), and DeOn'Tae Pannell (LT, and best known for getting humiliated so thoroughly by Broderick Binns last season that Penn State had to replace him at halftime). Despite the tremendous success Iowa had against many of these same faces in 2009, overconfidence would be unwise -- they are talented and they are another year more experienced. That said, if you don't think Binns is licking his chops at getting another chance to bullrush Pannell onto the bench, you're nuts. Outside of Wisniewski (a 1st-team All-Big Ten nod), none of these guys make Phil Steele's preseason All-Big Ten teams -- and he goes four teams deep and finds a spot for our very own somewhat-maligned Julian Vandervelde. Let's just say we're not quaking in terror at the prospect of attacking this unit, especially with an explosive and dominant defensive line.
In many ways, the 2010 Penn State offense resembles the 2008 Iowa offense once Stanzi took over the QB job, full-time. Inexperienced starter at QB? Check. Experienced, talented workhorse at RB? Check. Experienced, proven options at WR? Check. Reasonably experienced offensive line with an all-conference level returning starter and a key starter returning from injury? Check. That 2008 Iowa offense was one of the better Iowa offenses in the last five years, although that was due in part to its ability to rack up points on inferior defenses (Maine, Florida International, Indiana, Wisconsin, and good god almighty Minnesota). That said, the projected 2010 PSU offense doesn't seem quite as good -- Royster's no Shonn Greene and the offensive line lacks an elite anchor at LT (Pannell is no Bulaga).
Oh, and just because:
Next: A look at Penn State's defense, and what to expect from another Iowa-PSU game (hint: low-scoring, hard-hitting) and PSU's season as a whole.
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Ah, yes, the PSU "Dark Years"
which ignores that Iowa was level with/worse than State when earning two of those victories. A win is a win is a win.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
A decent write up
but a few things:
Joe is known for tinkering with the line during the preseason. I fully expect Wis to be back at center come next season. Kevin Newsome will, and that’s w-i-l-l WILL be the starter, at least to open the season.
Fiya Minaya.
Indeed.
Kevin Newsome will, and that’s w-i-l-l WILL be the starter, at least to open the season.
And two years ago I would have sworn up and down that Jake Christensen would be Iowa’s starter in 2008. He did get an opportunity to start, eventually lost it, and was never seen again (until turning up in an EIU uniform last fall, anyway). And even if Newsome is the starter for game one, who knows if he’ll still be the starter by the time the Iowa game rolls around. A disastrous outing against Bama could change things, for instance.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Meah
Morelli got owned in his second game at Notre Dame and that changed little. He also held on during the following season when, per the coaching staff, Clark was worth more than a look.
Maybe they learned their lesson, but Paterno has been very vocal about letting a true freshman start, especially in a season when we play 3(!) of the top 10 preseason teams, including the #1 and #2 squad per this thing.
For obscurity's sake, people, Evan Hailes needs you.
I think I’d prefer losing to Iowa every year to getting called “Nitts”.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
Yeah. That rhymes with "zits".
My blog: http://www.gretainthebox.com
by Leftcoast Hawk on Jun 21, 2010 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Insert inappropriate anatomy joke here.
The Gram stain is useful in classifying bacteria because....it gives me another reason to hate biology?
+4 (capital letters and/or punctuation marks in the first name).
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jun 21, 2010 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions
We need a Where-Are-They-Now of the sad PSU fans.
Find them, get them to talk about how they felt being the face of disappointment, throw them in Beaver Stadium jail (in a Survivor meets UFC reality show).
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jun 21, 2010 2:55 PM CDT reply actions
Another favorite sad face goldmine
is the time-lapse picture of The Catch; just watching the hearts of hundreds of LSU fans break in front of my eyes always brings a smile to my face. Usually while I’m waiting to piss at Pita Pit on my way home from Spo Co.
by A True Americanzi on Jun 21, 2010 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions
If I had a disposable $250
I would get the time lapse photo of Holloway running into the endzone in front of the LSU section. Wife might not like it nearly as much as I do – it is about 4 feet wide and I don’t have a man cave.
Too high? What do you mean too high?
by The Bacon Explosion on Jun 22, 2010 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions
You could keep it in my "man cave"...
…I promise to let you in at any time of day (provided you bring good beer).
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jun 22, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
I have one at work. It is AWESOME!
All the LSU fans look like they just saw their family shoved off a 10 story building.
by HawkeyeRecon on Jun 22, 2010 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
A guy here at work has that poster in his office.
I never tire of reviewing all the anguished looks on the LSU fans faces. Pure “these colors don’t run, love it or leave it, USA” goodness.
by Stay thirsty, my friends. on Jun 22, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
...a string of Big Ten bottom-dwellers (oh, and just Northwestern, too).
You take that back! jNW are still bottom-dwellers (they still live with their folks, but they are the oldest, so they got to move from the basement to the attic and started calling their parents “roommates”).
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jun 21, 2010 2:59 PM CDT reply actions
I've watched the Clayborn blocked punt about a million times (still makes me giddy)...
…but until that GIF played through (at about one frame per 20 seconds) I never realized just how shoestring the grab was (when AC plucked the bouncing ball from just above the turf).
It’s a thing of beauty.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jun 21, 2010 3:01 PM CDT reply actions
It was a great athletic play
made even more impressive by all that ESS EE CEE speed!
by HeroPatriotStanzi on Jun 21, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmm
According to SEC fans that was an actual representation of how fast their teams look vs. any Big Ten team.
by J.R. Angle has a posse on Jun 21, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Also hmm
According to my friend who goes to PSU, that was completely a missed block and had nothing to do with Darth Clayborn’s athleticism.
According to my friend who works at PSU
She’s worried about facing Clayborn again and can’t wait for him to graduate already. I’m pretty sure most of the conference agrees with her and wishes he would have left for the NFL last year. Your friend needs to watch more tape, especially against UNI where he dropped into coverage in the end zone.
I didn't see that the first time...
but I watched the UNI-UI game again on BTN Saturday morning, and I couldn’t help but think, “If I had an entire defense of Adrian Clayborns….I could rule the conference”. Just incredible athleticism.
The Gram stain is useful in classifying bacteria because....it gives me another reason to hate biology?
I also completely missed that
Without the BTN I also would have been in the dark. But it is easy to miss stuff like that in a stadium without the benefit of commentators and multiple replays.
There was a guy who blocked Clayborn
He just got plowed over and humiliated. He really didnt have a chance as most dont when facing Clayborn
"I believe I have the total package of speed, strength, and explosion," Adrian F@#kin Clayborn
by DportROTCHawki on Jun 21, 2010 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, this.
It was our starting free safety. Seems like a stupid fucking decision? Yes, yes it was. Ferentz saw that and exploited it. Michigan did the same thing against us with Brandon Graham a few weeks later (we had a different player in there, but exact same result).
Got more suits than Jacoby and Meyers.
by Run Up The Score on Jun 21, 2010 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I remember arguing for days with people at BSD.
“It was a special teams touchdown. Meh. That doesn’t prove Iowa was better.”
Me: “Special teams still count.”
How am I the homer there?
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jun 21, 2010 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, they're right.
Just take the game, subtract 12 plays, and see who wins. It will be a true measure of who’s better, provided they just redact 12 plays. Re-dact-o-ball.
Meanwhile, we’re all trying to play football.
Mr. Boh Knows ...
They only count when they're in our favor.
It’s like you don’t know Penn State fans at all.
Got more suits than Jacoby and Meyers.
by Run Up The Score on Jun 21, 2010 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think Ferentz had anything to do with that block
he set up for a safe punt return mode. Clayborn just exploited the weakness on his own.
by HeroPatriotStanzi on Jun 22, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
I assume you really meant to type
“Clayborn just benefited from the blown blocking assignment.” There was no weakness.
Too high? What do you mean too high?
by The Bacon Explosion on Jun 22, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Copy editing:
Clayborn just exploited the weakness on his own Clayborn created a weakness on his own.
The Gram stain is useful in classifying bacteria because....it gives me another reason to hate biology?
Except LSU vs PSU last year
But of course, that field didn’t help. Actually, I think Delany broke out the weather control device to ensure that the field would be crappy so PSU could mitigate the ESS EEE CEE speed.
Turning that game on
was disappointing before they even started to play. They had close-angle shots of guys standing around for warm ups with water literally up to their lower shins. Every step was a gallon or two of displaced water. No matter what happened you knew the story would end up being how it wasn’t really football and therefore didn’t count.
For obscurity's sake, people, Evan Hailes needs you.
yup
Rain and field conditions only effects the SEC, apparently they are such thoroughbreds if anything is even slightly “wrong” they can’t be expected to play well. You didn’t win, the weather did.
Too high? What do you mean too high?
by The Bacon Explosion on Jun 22, 2010 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions
I say this in all seriousness
If we had good weather and a dry field PSU would have killed LSU. Most of those trips to the redzone would have been touchdowns if Joe hadn’t used the field as an excuse to kick FG’s. There were at least two drives into the 5 where I thought Joe was going to send the FG team out on 2nd down.
Do you want the mustache on, or off?
Too bad.
Don't forget the field, somehow,
slowing Brandon LaFell down to the point where Navorro Bowman could run him down from behind. Because, you know, that only affected the LSU players.
Fiya Minaya.
by BringBackBobby on Jun 22, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Last year was a prime example
of how the SEC will typically sport two teams who could win just about any league and a whole slew of others who would finish in the same place or worse regardless of conference affiliation. Depending on the schedule, that LSU team would have had 4 losses in the Big Ten last year. I guess “best league” only applies to the top.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jun 22, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
EXACTLY
The past two years, especially, the SEC has been incredibly top-heavy and used the dominance of Floribama to deflect observations that the heart of the conference has been very, very weak. But, you know, ESSS EEEE CEEE SPEEEED!!!!! and all.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I don't know about that.
Two years ago the SEC had two teams in BCS games including Florida in the MNC game. Georgia beat Michigan State and Ole Miss beat Texas Tech in New Year’s Day bowl games. I’m no SEC apologist, but you don’t have to go back further than just one year to see a time where the SEC was more than just two teams.
by Abbas_Cincinnatus on Jun 23, 2010 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes
but Alabama was exposed and embarrassed by Utah in the Sugar Bowl (an SEC home game). Georgia drew the #4 Big Ten team (Iowa would have beaten them and MSU would have beaten South Carolina). Ole Miss got into a spread offense shootout with a Big XII team (read over-hyped and defensively impaired).
Also, the whole “New Year’s Day Bowl Games” is about conference history and lineups, not really about the quality of the teams therein.
I’d argue that even that year, the SEC had two teams, maybe three. Ole Miss was 7-5 and Georgia was 9-3 going into their bowl games, hardly the records of dominant teams. The way the SEC talks you’d think that they would have two 12-0 teams in the conference championship every year and two other teams that were 11-1 only losing to the division champs. Then again, they use the 1990s Big Ten argument of “the conference is so deep we beat up on each other so nobody has a stellar record”.
Yeah, I always take the "field conditions" argument to mean...
…all the SEC has is fast (they want to hold a track meet… but if you take away their speed they aren’t good enough football players to compensate), whereas the Big Ten is slow (but can mitigate their lack of speed because they know how to play a real, fundamentally sound football game).
At least that’s what I hear when people argue against a cold weather bowl game.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jun 22, 2010 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
but even so
Many of the teams in the B10 have speed. Hell Illinois has speed. Ohio State has tons of speed at the skill positions. Everyone made a big deal about LaFell’s speed in the Cap One bowl, but PSU has a little guy like that named Devon Smith who’s just as fast. The difference is no one talks about the speed in the B10, because we’re not supposed to be fast. ESPN has said it enough times that it’s become true in the public eye.
Do you want the mustache on, or off?
Too bad.
Oh that wasn't an admission that the stereotype is true...
…quite the opposite.
Everyone in a BCS conference has some speed.
I was just saying that I think the SEC looks for fast kids which may or may not translate into being a good football player, whereas Big Ten teams get some really good (all conditions) football players who may or may not have speed (increasingly they do).
When you take some speed and shifty-ness away, what do you have? The SEC has a lot of slowed down track stars (who don’t do well in the classoom either), and the Big Ten has some solid football players (some of which do very well academically, others… not so much, but still not “here, take my test for me” bad).
All of this is to say, fuck the SEC and fuck ESPN for sucking their “Smelly Cocks.”
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jun 22, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
"less-shitt Anthony Morelli"
Ironically, he beat Iowa while Clark and M-Rob didn’t.
God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...
by For The Glory 1855 on Jun 21, 2010 3:46 PM CDT reply actions
JC6
/’nuff said.
"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me
by BStylin Hawkye on Jun 21, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Jake Christensen wasn't a great quarterback, but I don't recall him being a basket case either.
He was probably a better runner too.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jun 21, 2010 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Jake didn't get enough wins on the field at Iowa but he had heart
and I’m glad he had a pretty good senior year at E Illinois.
by HawkeyeRecon on Jun 21, 2010 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't think even Penn State fans would disagree with characterizing Morelli as "shitty," though.
It was an odd twist of fate, though. The outright shit-ness of the 2007 Iowa team outweighed Morelli’s own awfulness, I guess.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
It happened several times that season to a couple of different teams. Even Illinois almost lost to us despite Morelli turning it over three times in the red zone.
For obscurity's sake, people, Evan Hailes needs you.
same with 2007 UM
It took a Morelli turnover in our own endzone and the refusal to put Clark in to seal that one. And that team beat Florida. Think about that.
Do you want the mustache on, or off?
Too bad.
Don’t forget an austin scott fumble inside the red zone. Which reminds me of my favorite wiki photo on all of the internets:
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We really knew how to play worse football under pressure that year.
For obscurity's sake, people, Evan Hailes needs you.
I was probably hammered by then, which is why I blissfully don’t remember it. That was one of the few games I knew we were going to lose and yet accepting it before hand and drinking heavily still didn’t make me feel any better. That was the single most painful season of PSU football ever.
Do you want the mustache on, or off?
Too bad.
I looked up that game
I think he was about 18/32, 250 yards, 1 TD and 2 int. Iowa had 50 yards on the ground and JC6 at QB, although in JC6 form no turnovers.
by PackerHawk on Jun 21, 2010 4:32 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
JC6 had that single, kick-ass, drive that game
it was the weirdest thing. The game was still vaguely winable — I think we were down 14 or 17? He lead a crisp, well organized, drive straight down the field. Boom, boom, boom, touch down. The crowd at PSU got … antsy. It just looked so crisp and easy. The Iowa section started to buzz a bit: we had a decent defense, if we could get a stop and do THAT again this was a game. Maybe he just started to get it going! Maybe he was about to live up to his promise! Maybe he was in a groove!
No. It was the only decent drive the team put together that year. We were back to one-hoppers and 40-foot high screen passes the rest of the game. Just a fluke I guess.
Frustrating game, frustrating season.
I still think he needed glasses.
"Kittens give Morbo gas."
by Bucketochicken on Jun 21, 2010 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions
If I remember correctly
That drive started with a Shada int. The bitter, bitter irony.
Too high? What do you mean too high?
by The Bacon Explosion on Jun 22, 2010 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Not really that ironic
The problem I had with Shada was that he was so feast or famine in nature. He would either make an INT and a nice return (see Purdue 2006) or just get completely bitchmade (see any James Hardy highlight tape). Shada’s problem was, on every play, that he was almost never merely servicable – he was going to break one team’s heart regardless.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Here's what I don't understand.
Why do major programs like PSU recruit diametrically opposed QBs? Why don’t they just decide which offense they’re running, and recruit to suit. How crazy is it that their QB position is a toss-up — but each QB brings an offense the other QB can’t sustain. This is pretty hard on a football team.
Mr. Boh Knows ...
Yep.
How much better off would PSU be if they recruited Stanzi-esque guys instead of the Terrelle Pryors of the world.
There have to be two or three dudes from Pennsylvania alone each year that could have a successful career at PSU. Of course, I say that, but Morelli, Pat Devlin, and Kerry Collins were all Pennsylvania kids, so maybe they aren’t always as successful as I think they would be (yes, Collins had quite a bit of success.)
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jun 21, 2010 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Eh.
Henne was a PA kid. Same with Pryor. We got the #3 QB according to Scout last year. But today is a far cry from the Unitas / Marino / Montana / Kelly days in western Pennsylvania. Half of the time, PSU doesn’t even want the best QB in PA.
Got more suits than Jacoby and Meyers.
by Run Up The Score on Jun 21, 2010 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, what you said. The best recruit in PA this year was some tight end from Oil City.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jun 22, 2010 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Because it's not really a toss-up.
The backup is a walk-on, anyway. Morelli was really the last Bledsoesque quarterback we’ll have as long as the current regime is in place (okay, two more years). But none of them love the red, white, and blue quite like your Americannon.
Got more suits than Jacoby and Meyers.
by Run Up The Score on Jun 21, 2010 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure that we can't talk about his Americannon
There are certain parts of the Americanzi that are just not appropriate to discuss on here. Although I’m pretty sure the Girls Generation would love to see the Americannon.
by PackerHawk on Jun 21, 2010 11:43 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, with all due respect to Ross, RUTS is right. Newsome is starting and that’s all there is to it. We’ll be running the same offense from 2008 in 2009, just with more running. I don’t know what to call our offense. We’ll run the spread option, but at the same time we actually threw to the fullback last year.
The key for Penn State offenses has always been the offensive line. So, this “spread HD” thing works pretty well with A.Q. Shipley and Gerald Cadogan, and not so well with a banana peel and turnstile. Some things never change in State College.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jun 22, 2010 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Actually, Iowa owes Penn State a great deal of thanks and respect
because the mileage we have gotten by beating them has been nothing short of huge. In fact, outside of Bowl Game victories, one could argue alomost no other wins have provided Iowa with more national oomph than the wins against Penn State have provided us with. And now the WWL has noticed the trend and we get even more boost just for having them on our record.
Non bowl game wins:
2009 Best win
2008 Best win
2004 2nd best win
2003 4th best win
2002 Best win
Only Ohio State provies more value in the win column and Michigan provides only as much, until this last year. So while I love teasing our good buddies at BSD, we’ve needed them much more than they’ve needed over the years, in the beauty pageant that is college football. Even this year, Penn State would rank a potential Iowa victory no better than #3 on their schedule while they are a clear #2 (ahead of Wisky) on ours.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
Michigan was probably
the best win in 2002, with all due respect to PSU. PSU was probably the most important win from a team psychology standpoint, but going into Ann Arbor and beating the holy hell out of UM (who were #8 at the time I believe) was our “best” win.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Yes, absolutely.
Clobbering Michigan in Ann Arbor was the game that really got ESPN & Co. to take notice of Iowa that year.
I would rate the 04 PSU win behind at least Wisconsin and Ohio State that year, too. Even though Ohio State was in the midst of probably their worst run under Tressel, a win over OSU still meant a lot. In 2004, and against that PSU team in particular, that win didn’t have nearly as much value as most wins over PSU have.
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Re: PSU vs. Wisco this year...
From a recent and/or historical program strength standpoint, PSU should get the nod, but I think it depends a lot on what both teams do leading into the Iowa game. If PSU gets blown away by Alabama and comes into Iowa City at 3-1 or so and looking some disarray, while Wisco rolls through most of their opponents (and especially if they beat Ohio State the week before they play Iowa), I think we’ll get a lot more credit for beating Wisco.
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Yes...Iowa has owned us lately,
but at least we’ve lost to a worthy adversary. And not Northwestern.
Fiya Minaya.
by BringBackBobby on Jun 22, 2010 11:30 AM CDT reply actions
You might want to check with a few other members of your fan base
Saying Iowa is worthy will surely piss a lot of them off.
Too high? What do you mean too high?
by The Bacon Explosion on Jun 22, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
What would Penn State know about worthy adversaries?
Have you seen your non-con schedules up until this year?
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jun 22, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Who are you, Kyle Forde?
Yeah, Penn State’s schedule sucked last year. Still, over the last decade, we’ve played Nebraska (whom we scheduled when they were at the top of their game), Miami, USC, Notre Dame, and a couple of decent teams like Pitt and Boston College. Penn State tries to get one or two good teams on the schedule. Sometimes it works (Alabama). Sometimes it doesn’t (Syracuse goes from 10-3 with Pat Forde to Greg Robinson). FWIW, we scheduled Oregon State in ’08 when it became obvious our schedule would suck.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jun 22, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
brainfart: Dwight Freeney to Greg Robinson.
Uh, anyway.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jun 22, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Haweye fans are kidding themselves
if they are going to brag about our non-con schedule. Iowa State is what it is and after that it is a joke. Arizona is, thankfully, receiving pre-season votes but they are not Alabama or even Oregon State year in and year out…we wanted Missouri but they punked us so that was a good sign. But the MAC teams and the Eastern Illinois is infuriating to me. The saving grace is that our conference schedule has been no joke.
Penn State plays a very good non-con schedule in most years, although last year killed them. That cannot happen ever again.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
And it’s no excuse, but Barta and Ferentz are open about it – they try to schedule one defensible non-con game a year. Just looking this up now and they have succeeded at the lowest possible level:
2011 – Pitt
2012 – smorgasbord of indefensible crap
2013 and 2014 – U Conn
2015 – Pitt
Umm, the only place we can point and laugh is Florida. Otherwise, we are the pointees.
Bullshit.
Among peer schools in the Big Ten, our non-conference scheduling has been easily among the top 3-4 of schools. Until very recently, Minnesota was an abject joke. Illinois typically plays Missouri and nothing else. Indiana is a grab-bag of shit. Michigan State plays Notre Dame regularly and few other decent teams. Northwestern is embarrassing. Michigan’s non-conf scheduling has gone downhill. Ohio State schedules one elite team and a bunch of cake most years. Purdue gets ND and, on occasion, some other solid teams.
We try to schedule two BCS teams a year, which is far more than most schools. Yes, one of them is ISU, but we can’t do anything about that. They regularly try to schedule a respectable BCS school for the other spot (which UConn and Pitt are, at least right now). Would it be nice if there was a “sexier” team there? Sure. But it is what it is — and what it is is certainly respectable compared to what most peer schools are doing.
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by RossWB on Jun 22, 2010 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yikes – my intention was not to touch a nerve. Given the Iowa State mandate, I think the ooc schedule has been respectable. The site I’m looking at shows Northern IL, ISU, UNI and Central MI in 2012. As you point out below, they need the homes and don’t have the power of 100,000+ stadium. Still, I wouldn’t object to an occasional higher profile game.
Sorry, I just grow weary of this argument.
As a fan, obviously I wish we didn’t play EIU or Western Michigan or Directional State Tech. But I understand the economic realities of those games, too; until things change dramatically, they’re going to be a fact of life.
Considering that Iowa’s hamstrung by the need for two cupcake games and the Iowa State series, I think they’ve done a pretty decent job scheduling.
ESPN did an interesting breakdown of which teams schedule the most and fewest cupcakes a few years ago; not surprisingly, Mason-era Minnesota ranked poorly. Iowa ranked pretty respectably. (As did Michigan State, so I take back any ripping on them.)
I don’t think those stats are the be-all, end-all for the argument — for one thing, I’m not naive enough to argue that all non-conf. BCS opponents are created equally (OSU should get a little more credit for trying to play a team like USC or Miami or Texas every year) — but it’s a solid look at the overall picture. (More info from that ESPN series via these links.)
All that being said… the 2012 non-conf. schedule is embarrassingly bad.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Exactly,
the days of the gauntlet schedules (look at ‘92…sheesh!) are gone for everyone but USC (and see who they start to schedule now that the playing field has been leveled). Iowa faces no-win situation by playing a yearly game against an inferior BCS conference opponent in Iowa State who happens to treat the game like it’s their Super Bowl. Win and no one cares, loose and you’re a laughingstock.
Additionally, the staff goes out and schedules another BCS conference foe every year, and almost always with an eye on them being competitive. When Iowa played Syracuse in ‘06, it’s not as though the Orange had been added to the schedule three months before. The game had been scheduled three years prior to that, when Syracuse was only a season removed from a 10-win campaign and with memories of McNabb-to-Harrison still fresh in people’s memories. Pitt was put on the schedule after Wanstache had arrived and hauled in the first of many highly-ranked recruiting classes. These seemed like solid games when scheduled, but nobody can predict the future; did UCLA think Tennessee would be horrendous when they signed up to play them? Conversely, Texas, yes that Texas, has played a grand total of one BCS conference foe in the non-con (Arkansas) since their loss to tOSU in ‘06. Along those same lines, when PSU scheduled Syracuse and Temple, both teams were certifiably shitty. So let’s be careful with our disgust at Iowa’s scheduling practices.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jun 22, 2010 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions
But the MAC teams and the Eastern Illinois is infuriating to me.
$$$$$$$. We need seven home games. Penn State somehow got Oregon State to come to State College without needing an accompanying trip back to Corvallis — if Iowa could pull that off, I’m sure we’d see more BCS teams on the slate.
Penn State plays a very good non-con schedule in most years
2000: USC (kickoff classic), Toledo, La Tech, Pitt
2001: Miami, So Miss, Virginia
2002: Central Florida, Nebraska, La Tech, Virginia
2003: Temple, Boston College, Nebraska, Kent St
2004: Akron, BC, Central Florida
2005: South Florida, Cincy, Central Michigan
2006: Akron, Notre Dame, Youngstown St, Temple
2007: FIU, Notre Dame, Buffalo, Temple
2008: Coastal Carolina, Oregon St, Syracuse, Temple
2009: Akron, Syracuse, Temple, Eastern Illinois
They were doing well in the early part of the decade, but from 2004 on, I don’t see how their schedules are any better than Iowa’s. They were fortunate to get ND during one Weis’ good years. They’ve also had much more success getting BCS schools like Oregon St, So Florida, or Cincy to agree to play one-game series just at PSU; not many teams seem to have that kind of pull (Iowa certainly doesn’t).
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ESPN helped
IIRC, ESPN put up a lot of that money to bring OrSU in. The rumor had been that TCU was going to come in, but dropped out at the last minute, and ESPN mediated the settlement with OrSU.
Fiya Minaya.
by BringBackBobby on Jun 22, 2010 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, it will happen again, because our current system which demands “7.5 home games” every year almost guarantees it. Whatever.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jun 22, 2010 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I wonder though
if the STEP program will bring in enough money to justify going to “just” 7 home games a year.
Fiya Minaya.
by BringBackBobby on Jun 22, 2010 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
No.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jun 23, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't sweat the non-con haters...
…y’all play some big dogs early, and if anything people have come to expect it (which makes it all the more shocking when you do have creampuffs the first four weeks). Normally no one else’s schedule is any better.
Just, please, beat Bama. For Delaney. For ’Merica.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jun 22, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I expected more/better Christian Kuntz jokes here
"There are only three certainties in college football: all players will eventually leave, the ACC will be bad, and Joe Paterno ", Clay Travis, CNNsi Fanhouse
We have to save something for the season.
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