Texas Screws Big XII And Dan Beebe Over, Sets Sights On Pac-16
by Adam Jacobi on Jun 10, 2010 8:30 AM CDT
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PrintIt looks as if Texas has gotten what it desperately wanted: a "clean" exit from the Big XII. After helping impose an arbitrary yet demanding ultimatum on Nebraska's loyalties, Texas and its friends have used Nebraska's completely predictable response (fleeing in terror) as an excuse to get out of the wretched Big XII. As Chip Brown (who else?) reported yesterday, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, annnnd... (drumroll) Colorado have been invited to the Pac-16 and are expected to join. This will likely take place tomorrow.
And so, with only five of the original 12 teams left (ISU, Missouri, Kansas, Kansas State, and Baylor), the Big XII is done, finished, kaput. It will automatically lose its BCS and NCAA tournament status with the departures of those seven teams, regardless of if Dan Beebe can convince Utah and TCU to come into the fold. Why? Because the NCAA predicted this type of scenario might happen. As the New York Times reports:
Under N.C.A.A. guidelines, a conference needs at least six universities that have played together for five years. The Big 12 would lose its Bowl Championship Series bid and automatic bid to the N.C.A.A. basketball tournament.
For the remaining schools--especially those ending in "State" or "aylor"--this is devastating news; the odds that they'll join another conference with BCS affiliation (and thus BCS money) is exceedingly slim. The Big East might take Kansas and/or Missouri, but that's contingent on equal departures from the 16-team basketball conference, and nobody can confirm that as yet.
ASIDE: It seems strange to pen an obituary for the Big XII while it's still alive. And we don't mean in the "formal announcements have not been made yet" sense, either; the earliest these teams can expect to play in their new conferences is 2012. We're going to have a contentious couple last years, aren't we? And who's going to keep any order? Dan Beebe? Seriously? This dynamic will be fascinating to watch unfold; it's like The Royal Tenenbaums, right down to people boning their adopted sisters. It's the Big XII. They all do that.
As always, it remains wise to keep in mind that this is not set in stone until official representatives from the schools and conferences announce things. Texas could still theoretically figure out a way to divorce itself from A&M an' 'em, at which point (according to this dubious-until-proven-otherwise rumor) they'd probably hop over to the Big Ten and try to bring Notre Dame with them. So we'll keep that in mind.
What's not going to happen, though, is that Texas stays in the Big XII. Oh, they'll claim to have tried their hardest to keep the conference together, but they could have accomplished that with or without Nebraska and/or Missouri in the fold. Nobody's ever asked Texas and A&M why, precisely, the conference couldn't survive without a Nebraska program that had spent the last few years lamenting the XII's increasingly Texas-centric approach. We can't even intuit a plausible answer why that's the case.
Moreover, it's disingenuous to pretend that Texas' Big Ten fantasies didn't start over 15 years ago, or that they haven't persisted since. After all, it's not as if Delany and OSU president Gordon Gee talked about Texas turning down the Big 10 on the conference's merits; it's that Texas Tech made it a "Tech Problem." If the Pac-10 wants to slather the Red Raiders in cash, it's their prerogative and it probably strengthens their conference in the immediate short term, but still. it's just TTU.
And so either the Pac-10 or the Big 10 happily welcomes into its conference the main actor in the only two I-A conference deaths of the last 50 years. If UT decides it can't be in a conference with a football program on a death sentence, then the Southwest Conference can't exist. If UT decides it can't be in a conference without a Nebraska program that's been complaining for years about the (state of) Texas-centric approach of the conference, then the Big XII can't exist. And if, in a couple decades, UT decides to convince Ohio State/USC that they can't handle conference network revenue sharing when they're in the same conference as Northwestern/Washington State or Purdue/Stanford , then the Big/Pac Tewhatever can't exist either. And just like every time before, we'll all act so, so surprised.
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Texas screws everyone
People can say that Nebraska pulled the trigger that started armageddon, but it seems to me that Texas is at the center of this. If they simply said see ya’ to Nebraska the Big 12 could have added another team and kept right on going. Does the loss of Nebraska really hurt big 12 revenues that much? How much will a switch from a slightly changed Big 12 to a Pac 16 really improve Texas’ revenues.
Also, I’m kind of surprised that places like Washington State are really looking forward to travel to places like Stillwater Oklahoma or Lubbock Tx. Yes, Texas will bring money with it, but won’t teams like TTU and Ok. St. be a drain on resources?
When we wake up in 2015 I am betting
the people of Texas, the fans of Texas and the alums of Texas…hate, absolutely hate being in the Pac 10. College football, way more than college basketball, is culturally situated. That arguably the biggest football state is going to ship its largest and most prominent state university football team to play a significant portion of its games on the left coast in a league whose office will — for all intents and purposes — be in Hollywood, is funny and potentially nightmarish.
This is not the Brady Bunch. Talk about a misfit. Colorado, sure…makes sense. Texas? Or even funnier, Texas A&M, a school that is listed annually as the most conservative research university in America being in a conference with the most liberal—California-Berkeley, a school that expelled all U.S. Army recruiting from campus. This will not be a happy marriage.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
I don't think so
What’s really going to change for Texas? Assume that the Pac-16 keeps a 9 game conference schedule like it has now. Texas will play all 7 teams in it’s division (The 6 Big 12 teams and two Arizona schools) and two games against the west coast teams. That means one trip out west per year.
To put it in historical perspective, Nebraska has been granted statehood under the Constitution of the United States of the Big Ten. The Big XII 6 just joined the Articles of Pac-10 Confederation. They’re all connected, but much more loosely.
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by Bama Hawkeye on Jun 10, 2010 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah.
That’s exactly why I thought the Pac-16 concept made more sense than any other scenario for Texas soon as it became viable last week — at least in terms of scheduling/travel/competition, anyway. Lord knows how it’s going to work financially.
But if they keep their B12 South buddies (possibly subbing in Colorado for Baylor) and add on the Arizona schools, they really aren’t changing much. If they keep a 9-game conference schedule in the Pac 10, they’re playing 7 division games (most of which are against familiar foes in familiar places and 2 inter-division games, one of which is probably at home one of which is on the road. Assuming they split the Arizona schools so it’s one home, one away, they’re really just changing road trips to Columbia, MO and Ames, IA for road trips to Tucson, AZ and Berkeley, CA.
Mind you, this only refers to football. Basketball scheduling strikes me as a possible nightmare.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Sounds good on a blog
but the commish is in Hollywood and football in Hollywood is a commodity equal to…I don’t know, surfing? The Rams left LA for a reason. Anyway, if you take the point of view that all football is just a business, through and through, then you are right. But college football fans/recruits don’t think of it like that. Which is why a Boise State can happen overnight. In the NFL the common thread is ownership by a bunch of people who are genetically wired to make lots of fucking money. Colleges are run by people who have the funny belief they are doing work on a much higher plane. If you really think Texas is going to be comfy following marching orders for the good of a conference whose cultural sensibility are decidedly anathema to those of the state of Texas, then you are a true believer in the ideals of America.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
I think UT would be fine with it
A&M, on the other hand, would be the worst possible fit in the Pac-10 in terms of ideology. Although their fans already use the “liberalness” of Longhorn alums as a reason to hate them, so I guess they’ll have a built-in reason to be rivals with every Pac-10 school.
Do you remember the AOL-Time Warner merger?
this strikes me as just that sort of miscalculation. On paper it made total sense. All the accountants signed off and predicted great things. But put a print biz with a digital biz and presto…disaster. Put a chapeau and a cowboy hat in the same room and watch them squirm. Nebraska and Notre Dame have been Big Ten ready since birth. This is not that thing. Proving once again why Delany is the smartest man in the room.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
by StoopsMyAss on Jun 10, 2010 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Great analogy
With USC getting the ban-hammer, I expect Texas will make the most of the opportunity to establish itself as the dominant power. Watch what happens during the entry negotiations. If it’s anything like what happened during the formation of the Big XII, I give the conference 20 years.
Hmm.
If it’s anything like what happened during the formation of the Big XII, I give the conference 20 years.
I think I’ll take the under on that bet.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
We can place the bet in Vegas.
On our way to the first Texas Tech-Stanford football game.
Who's leg do I have to hump to get a drink around here?-Brian
I don't think you're aware
of how much Texans like money.
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by Bama Hawkeye on Jun 10, 2010 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions
You have seen how Mark Cuban and Jerry Jones operate, right?
The PAC-10 founding schools will end up hating this too. My prediction.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
To be fair, Mark Cuban went to school at Indiana (not sure if he graduated). However, I don’t disagree with your premise. This is an interim measure that will be expedient for the present environment. UT has also nicely dodged Baylor and may get uncoupled from A&M. Impressive in my book.
There is a big side of me that loves that Texas
for all its football pomoposity, could not build its own castle. instead, they have to sleep in someone else’s. Whenever there is a football movie or TV show it is almost always in Texas, a state whose obsession with the sport is unrivaled. A state with umpteen football dominant colleges/universites. And its biggest school, with the most resources of any school in the country, just couldn’t pull it together to be its own heartbeat.
I fucking love that.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
by StoopsMyAss on Jun 10, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
A state which is taking Jefferson out of text books
and is led by religious hypocrites and backroom corruption.
by HawkeyeRecon on Jun 10, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Let’s leave Utah out of this.
Facts sometimes have a strange and bizarre power that makes their inherent truth seem unbelievable. - Werner Herzog
A state which is taking Jefferson out of text books
and is led by religious hypocrites and backroom corruption.
Utah is that times 100, without either of Texas’ good points.
Facts sometimes have a strange and bizarre power that makes their inherent truth seem unbelievable. - Werner Herzog
Utah can be accused of many things
Corruption and taking Jefferson out of textbooks aren’t among them.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jun 10, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Actuall it could build its own castle
Texas could go independent. But won’t take the chance of being left out of the BCS!
Agreed.
While Osborne and Perlman insist up and down that this isn’t about animosity (and I believe them, particularly Osborne), I’m enjoying the fuckery quite a bit. Watching Texas set itself on fire rather than buckle down and actually work with people to salvage the Big XII presents a delicious smorgasbord of schadenfreude for the remainder of this offseason.
And then comes October 16th. Texas at Nebraska. You think there’ll be a little bad blood there?
"...when the devil says to you: do not drink, answer him: I will drink, and right freely, just because you tell me not to."
— Martin Luther
A couple of things
They could conceivably play both non-division teams on the road in any given year, it all depends on the contracts.
Also, while it doesn’t involve a trip to a coast state, every trip to AZ could involve a 930CSTpm start for the TX teams.
And TX may demand an 8 team schedule so they have more flexibility in ooc scheduling, which could mean 1 non-division game per year, and only going to the coast as little as every other year.
by PackerHawk on Jun 10, 2010 9:42 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
And
the Austin/Dallas/Houston Bars will make a killing that night on Late Night with the Horns/Aggies specials. If it’s a Big matchup (USC/UCLA/whatever Northern Pac-8 school is good) it will be in primetime or 2:30, so it’s not like when the Braves and Reds were in the NL West and had half of their road games starting after 10 EST.
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by Bama Hawkeye on Jun 10, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Even teams like WSU or Oregon St...
probably use charter planes to get to their longer road trips anyway. So, it is not a big money problem for the schools. It may be a pain in the butt for fans to travel, but if you’ve ever seen opposing fans inside Kinnick, you know that that is not normally a big number of people to begin with.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jun 10, 2010 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Texas is bad news
First they kill the Southwestern Conference at about 1:00. Then they leave the Big12 maimed and bloody in an alley. Finally they jump in to the Pac-10 at about 3:30, kick USC out of the driver seat, and take Stanford for a ride.
They're going to try
taking over the drivers seat, but this won’t be the Big 12. There, they had OK and OK State happy to go along with whatever the longhorns wanted and the rest of the conference didn’t wake up until it was too late. Not that it did anything but delay the inevitiable.
In the PAC 10, they will have to fight against the 10 original members. As I’ve said before, the Arizona schools aren’t going to like getting stuck with the six newcomers so they won’t be so quick to just kiss UT ass. UT will dominate their division, but not the confernece.
What UT could do is look at taking the Big 12 South add two more schools (Kansas? TCU?) and form their own conference that they get to dominate. They get to form their own network that is dominated by UT content but has a broader slightly broader appeal (more $$) and boss everybody around, plus have plenty of open game slots for non-conference stuff. It’s sort of a quasi-independant status. ISU & Mizzou get fucked, but UT doesn’t care about that anyway.
Facts sometimes have a strange and bizarre power that makes their inherent truth seem unbelievable. - Werner Herzog
You all are missing something
All the things that allowed TX to be in the driver’s seat were originally there to put Nebraska in the driver’s seat. Little did anyone expect (especially in Lincoln) that the Huskers would fade and the Big 12 North would become a joke and that Texas and OU would go on such a run of dominance.
Brunettes not fighter jets
Uhh, pretty sure Tom Osborne did see it coming
He was very explicit about the power shift to the South and was always upset that the Big8’s academic standards were lowered when the BigXII was formed. So, yes, somebody in Lincoln saw it coming. Of course, he probably also thought that NE would just dominate the North every year and play OU or UT for the championship.
He did
There were a number of votes that took place in the formation of the Big 12, that went 11-1 against Nebraska. Other fans could probably explain better, but I know two of them were:
Partial Qualifiers. Nebraska wanted them, Texas didn’t want any. (IIRC, the Big 10 does allow them in limited numbers)
Conference Championship Game. Osborne didn’t want it, Texas did.
Osborne saw Texas’ influence coming. And while no one can assume that a team will dominate every year, no one in Husker Nation saw the Solich Mediocrity, followed by firing a coach after a 9-3 season, and the Bill Callahan Debacle occurring.
You have to keep the two separate.
The conference domination has been a problem from the start. Let’s just call it what it is: Texas does not play well with others. Perhaps the rest of the Big 8 thought that by siding with Texas (who was floundering at the time) they could bring Nebraska down to earth a bit (NU was the class of college football at the time and was running high in women’s volleyball, men’s and women’s BB and other sports). Whatever it was, there have been a ton of 11-1 votes from the very beginning, with Nebraska being the 1.
In terms of football, obviously the Big 12 South has been the class of the conference since 2000. No one would deny that. But Nebraska showed last year that they were rising and ready to compete again. I fully expect my Huskers to literally beat the shit out of Texas in October; if NU’s offensive line improves as much as advertised, it might not even be close.
Regardless of where the football competitiveness has been, in terms of revenue Nebraska has been contributing a lot to the Big 12, with precious little reward for it. The rest of the Big 12 has no one to blame but themselves for Nebraska leaving. It was an abusive relationship from the start – and like most abusers, Texas won’t take responsibility. I say “Good riddance.”
"...when the devil says to you: do not drink, answer him: I will drink, and right freely, just because you tell me not to."
— Martin Luther
prediction
In @ 10 years Texas takes the 8 members in its division and adds a few new guys and starts a new conference and leaves PAC 16 behind.
Texas created all of this when it decided a Longhorns network was a better idea than a Big 12 network.
by Amonra on Jun 10, 2010 9:11 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
The Longhorns Network
Is an idea they are not easily going to give up. The real fun starts after the handshakes are done and the negotiating for the new contracts begins. What makes it all even more interesting is that the Pac-10 Network doesn’t even exist yet. This makes the Pac-10 more attractive to a UT that is used to calling the shots. They can step in now and shape the dollars from the new network to all funnel right to them.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jun 10, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Texas has no chance in TV negotiations
with a conference that is headquartered in Hollywood.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
by StoopsMyAss on Jun 10, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
And hence the fun of watching them try
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jun 10, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
WORD.
"...when the devil says to you: do not drink, answer him: I will drink, and right freely, just because you tell me not to."
— Martin Luther
I'm not so sure.
This Pac 10 offer is just stage one. The Pac 10 gave their members about 8 million last year for TV money, thats less then the Big XII and about 10 million less than the SEC and 12 million less than the Big Ten. What happens when the SEC starts chirping in OU’s ear or TAMU’s ear about how they should join the SEC and make 100 million more over 10 years. News reports have said Slive has been in touch with TA&M for awhile…
OU and OSU are probably a package deal, the Texas 4 are too to some extent. Will the Texas legislature try to force A&M and UT to bring their ugly sisters Baylor and Tech to the ball? If the SEC takes A&M and Tech, Texas is free to join the Big Ten (assuming they can duck out of having to carry Baylor around).
It could easily work the other way, where the SEC takes just A&M and Texas brings everyone else into the Pac10… this time with space for Baylor…
Either way, Texas could end up getting hosed if A&M decides it has the balls to stand up to big brother. That or we end up with Texas in our conference, which despite what people have been saying on this post is an EPIC win for the Big Ten.
Also
We need to hope that either OU, UT, and A&M go to the Pac10, or that UT or A&M come to the Big 10, because if the SEC gets either big Texas school (or god forbid both), and the Big 10 fails to get one, all dreams of surpassing the SEC from a football perspective go out the window.
would never happen
Because people keep mentioning this isn’t entirely about football, the academic standards of the SEC are so abysmal when compared to Texas the Board or Regents would never let it happen.
Purely athletically Texas is a good fit for the SEC, IMO, it’s just they don’t fit any other way.
Too high? What do you mean too high?
by The Bacon Explosion on Jun 10, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
OU and A&M
Are custom built for the SEC. UT is more of a Big Ten school in culture and composition. There are scenarios that see OU and A&M bolting for the SEC. This may or may not suck Texas along with them, as the Pac 10 deal may be off the table if it loses OU and A&M. OSU and Tech are the variables (or more correctly their state Legislatures).
This is my favorite under-reported subplot of this entire ordeal.
ASIDE: It seems strange to pen an obituary for the Big XII while it’s still alive. And we don’t mean in the “formal announcements have not been made yet” sense, either; the earliest these teams can expect to play in their new conferences is 2012. We’re going to have a contentious couple last years, aren’t we? And who’s going to keep any order? Dan Beebe? Seriously? This dynamic will be fascinating to watch unfold; it’s like The Royal Tenenbaums, right down to people boning their adopted sisters. It’s the Big XII. They all do that.
Seriously, how interesting are Nebraska road games going to be for the next (probably) two years? The atmosphere at those — particularly among their jilted B12 North mates — should be incredible.
For the record this is where they go in 2010 and 2011 (B12 only):
2010
Oct 7 @ K-State
Oct 23 @ Ok State
Nov 6 @ I-State
Nov 20 @ TX A&M
2011
Oct 15 @ TX
Oct 29 @ Missouri
Nov 12 @ Kansas
Nov 25 @ Colorado
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Hatefest
At least they don’t have to go to Norman. Then again, it would be a great f-you to OK if they did and won that game. IF this all goes down, that trip to Austin looks like a fun game.
by PackerHawk on Jun 10, 2010 9:35 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, the Texas game should be fun...
But I think the Mizzou and Kansas games will be REALLY crazy, especially if Mizzou doesn’t wind up getting a BXI invite.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Crazy from the fans
But against probably weaker teams and in smaller stadiums. I love the potential for Turner Gill to only play NE twice.
The TX game would be worth it for the Brown-Pellini handshake/glare and to see how uncivil 100,000+ TX fans can be.
by PackerHawk on Jun 10, 2010 9:48 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I said the same thing yesterday.
They better have extra security wherever Nebraska and Texas play on the road.
(That is not meant as a threat, just as sensible advice.)
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jun 10, 2010 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
How great would it be if Nebraska won the Big12 title in its last 2 years?
Who's leg do I have to hump to get a drink around here?-Brian
Not to rain on this particular parade
but Nebraska starts play in the Big [Integer Redacted] in 2011.
"...when the devil says to you: do not drink, answer him: I will drink, and right freely, just because you tell me not to."
— Martin Luther
This makes kickoff scheduling fun
Early kickoffs in the state of TX take place between 9-10am for the PST schools, night kickoffs on the coast around 9-10pm for the TX schools. I know that all things float with equal specific gravity on the flow of money, but c’mon won’t somebody think about the student ATHLETES here?
by PackerHawk on Jun 10, 2010 9:33 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Again, at least for football I think the scheduling thing will prove to not be a huge deal.
They aren’t going to be making multiple trips to the coastal schools (or vice versa). The Arizona schools better adapt to playing in the Central timezone, I guess.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Delany would say this is precisely the reason not to do this
you are either a interdependent conference or you are the (former) Big 12.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
True
It won’t be much different than what AZ and Iowa did/will do in 2009-2010. I agree that basketball scheduling becomes a nightmare, just ask the Big East.
by PackerHawk on Jun 10, 2010 9:51 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
The notion that the PAC 10 will essentially operate as two conferences together for the sake of TV money
seems impossibly cynical to me. I think we need to be a bit more analytical here.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
I could only imagine the rhetoric on this blog
if Delany roped LSU into the Big Ten. Hell, the anti-east coast bias on the blog was deafening.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
I would pay a lot of money
To watch him announce this in a press conference and then afterwards, watch all the scribes in attendance collectively lose their minds.
…followed by Delany flashing a big ‘ol grin and saying "I’m fooling, motherfuckers! Goddamn, you actually were going to buy that shit? Jesus…"
"I know you're from Middle America, and sometimes you feel like you're representing more than just a school or a conference, maybe an entire group of American citizens out there."
by Twin Cities Hawk on Jun 10, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
It may not start that way
but it could become that. If the money is big enough, but the two divisions really dislike each other, and the AD’s get sick of shipping women’s volleyball and the swim teams from Norman to Seattle on a Tuesday it could happen.
Football is pretty easy, it’s a few games a year. Men’s bball is harder but still making money for most schools. Geyond that it starts looking like a money pit that nobody wants so …. things will change.
Facts sometimes have a strange and bizarre power that makes their inherent truth seem unbelievable. - Werner Herzog
So do you think that they'll somehow scrap divisions all together?
And just play a rotating schedule with a few guaranteed rivals? I guess it could work, but would probably require revising the NCAA rules governing conference championship games as it may require semifinal games.
Even if they scrap the division format, the basketball schedule gets whacky. Especially for a conference that has the best basketball travel schedule logistically with all of its schools being paired geographically resulting in basically 4 road trips a year for conference play.
by PackerHawk on Jun 10, 2010 10:11 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
You are starting to smell the challenges
or as I like to call them, delicious nightmares.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
by StoopsMyAss on Jun 10, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
I like the way you guys think...
Ffffuuuuuuuck Texas.
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Jun 10, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
But if we can see them
Do you think the ADs and Presidents of the Pac10 see them coming, and that they may decide to find a way to get to 12 with CO and somebody else then just stop and leave the 16 team nightmare for somebody else to tackle?
Or do they stubbornly insist that they will blaze the 16 team trail where the WAC failed and be the harbinger of a new era of college sports?
I don't think
the PAC 10’s commish has a clue what he is getting into by adding B12 South. He’s seeing dollar signs and wants to make a big splash. I don’t think he “gets” college athletics and there is nothing in his history to suggest that he really knows what he is doing.
But if he’s a good salesman, he’ll pitch it to the schools at the right angle and they’ll go for it, while ignoring the big flashing danger signs. People are funny that way.
Facts sometimes have a strange and bizarre power that makes their inherent truth seem unbelievable. - Werner Herzog
He sees a 16 team super conference coming
The Big 12 is shot. And the only decent teams the Pac 10 have a shot at are former Big 12 teams. They can’t raid the Big East now can they?
His choices are this: Do nothing, and let the Big12 fall apart while the Big 10 and SEC snap up all the prizes. Then watch as they fall farther and farther behind the Big 10 and SEC.
OR
Be proactive, make the best of a geographical disadvantage and do the ONLY thing that will give them a viable 16 team conference. 3 Texas Schools, 2 Okie schools, and Colorado are a damn site better than raiding the MWC for scrubs just so they can hold on to 4th place status in the BCS.
They have a commissioner who
like a typical Hollywood producer believes he can make an art film with Brad Pitt, Will Smith, Tom Cruise and Tom Hanks. No…this will end like Waterworld (which made money but is a laughingstock).
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
by StoopsMyAss on Jun 10, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Please tell me USC is Dennis Hopper.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Franz Joseph I
by ReadingRambler on Jun 10, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
USC is Warren Beatty
Facts sometimes have a strange and bizarre power that makes their inherent truth seem unbelievable. - Werner Herzog
I don't know
but Washington is Craig T. Nelson. Which is confusing for folks from Minnesota and Iowa.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
by StoopsMyAss on Jun 10, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
My understanding of this per the ESPN article I read last night
the Pac16 would split into 2 divisions and look to get to auto BCS bids for each division champ with no championship game. If this is the case, the B12 south basically adds ASU and AZ and swaps CU for Baylor while remaining relatively autonomous. If I’m in Texas package, that would seem much more palatable for the money at stake.
by Pubes in Pink Urinals on Jun 10, 2010 11:36 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
the Pac16 would split into 2 divisions and look to get to auto BCS bids for each division champ
Never, ever, ever. Not in a hundred years will this happen. The BCS will explode from the fury of every other member first.
Facts sometimes have a strange and bizarre power that makes their inherent truth seem unbelievable. - Werner Herzog
Which leads
the Big 10 to demand to two bids. The BIg East and ACC freak out and threaten to walk and Orin Hatch, seeing Utah, I mean mid-majors, getting the high hard one, starts looking at pulling the tax exemption for NCAA TV revenue. There are already rumors that if everything collapses into 16 super conferences congress is going to get involved.
This is really just more fuel for the “Larry Scott is clueless” fire.
Facts sometimes have a strange and bizarre power that makes their inherent truth seem unbelievable. - Werner Herzog
Sorry
That should read “two” auto bids.
by Pubes in Pink Urinals on Jun 10, 2010 11:38 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I want to agree that Pac 10 commish is dumb...
but, he has his “flagship” football program facing 2 years with no bowl, and a possible decade of mediocrity. He needs Texas, so that the Pac 10 doesn’t become “that conference out west that only 15% of the people care about.”
And, if he believes that the Big Ten is headed for a super-conference structure, then he might as well do the same, and get what he thinks are good programs before other conferences do.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jun 10, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Something to think about.
The UT president, William Powers, was the only person other than Beebe authorized to speak on behalf of the conference after last week. An abbreviated biography:
Native of California
Undergrad – Cal Berkeley
Law School – Harvard
Came to head UT after being the Dean of the UT Law School
I’m not positive how the University of Texas system Chancellor factors into this. I think Powers and Deloss Dodds are the playas.
Powers
is also a Big 12 official. Not sure of his exact title. I thought the same thing but when you see his role in the conference, it made perfect sense that only he or Bebee would do the talking.
I’m sure it’s not by chance that someone from UT has the job.
Facts sometimes have a strange and bizarre power that makes their inherent truth seem unbelievable. - Werner Herzog
Texas faculty and the intellectual side of Texas will be a FAR better and more comfy fit in the PAC-10
but the vast, vast majority of alums and fans are not much like the faculty. Few schools can boast that really.
School presidents are careerists at heart. They are the academic equivalent of Mike Holmgren or Bill Parcells, they go where the money and power is in the moment.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
by StoopsMyAss on Jun 10, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
So true.
And most faculty are careerists to a slightly lesser degree than administrators. There is a reason that Iowa has a reputation as a faculty development school in some departments. More money and prestige elsewhere leaves our faculty open for poaching by other universities.
Amazing what passes for journalism
“If UT decides it can’t be in a conference with a football program on a death sentence, then the Southwest Conference can’t exist.”
I guess you didn’t bother to check that SMU was hit was the death penalty in 1987 and 1988, while the SWC officially broke up in 1993.
That’s just like the rest of the article. No facts, just opinions. No information, just misinformation intended to incite animosity.
“Nobody’s ever asked Texas and A&M why, precisely, the conference couldn’t survive without a Nebraska program that had spent the last few years lamenting the XII’s increasingly Texas-centric approach. We can’t even intuit a plausible answer why that’s the case.”
:::sigh::: Forbes recently ranked Nebraska as the fourth most valuable team. Do you expect the Big 12 to simply replace them with somebody like TCU?
You do not seem to understand the first thing about conferences.
Do you not understand that some teams put more money into a conference than they get out while other teams take out more money than they put in?
For a conference to be successful it must have as many profitable programs as unprofitable ones.
The SWC died, not because of Texas, but because after Arkansas left, Texas and Texas A&M were alone in subsidizing six welfare queens who contributed nothing to the conference.
With Nebraska gone, Texas and OU would be doing the same thing.
The Pac-10 will be an ideal opportunity for any team fortunate enough to get in.
You should probably get a clue.
by Charlie Hooker on Jun 10, 2010 10:36 AM CDT reply actions
Awwww, did you get your feewings hewrt?
Do you need a tissue? Please, scamper away to the Pac-10 and destroy that conference too. No, really. You leave such a pleasant wake of destruction in whatever confrence you belong.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jun 10, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
What happens, five years down the road, when Texas decides it doesn't want to subsidize Washington State?
"I know you're from Middle America, and sometimes you feel like you're representing more than just a school or a conference, maybe an entire group of American citizens out there."
by Twin Cities Hawk on Jun 10, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Uh...
Do you not understand that some teams put more money into a conference than they get out while other teams take out more money than they put in?
And this is why you get what you deserve. Your greedy, self-serving attitude would NEVER be tolerated in the Big Ten. Now go live out your Lord of the Flies existence in the Pac-10. And I’m sure you want your beloved state to secede from the union too?
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
by StoopsMyAss on Jun 10, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
I recall the Big Ten wanting Texas!
I think they would tolerate it.
On a per team basis
The Pac-10 is arguably the least profitable league. Worse than the Big 12 (the Big 12 without Nebraska and Colorado, I don’t know)
Unless Texas is just a member for scheduling purposes, this will not go well for Texas.
No alarms and no surprises please.
That's why they're not going to stay.
I think Texas will try to form another SWC within a few years, several Texas schools, both of the Oklahoma schools, Arkansas, maybe Kansas and Kansas State.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Franz Joseph I
by ReadingRambler on Jun 10, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
No idea what people see in the Pac-10
the profits are miserable, the flagship school just got hit harder by the NCAA than any school has in a long time, and academically it’s made up of 5 “haves” and 5 “MAC Schools”
No alarms and no surprises please.
It would take
a miracle to get Arkansas out of the SEC.
Facts sometimes have a strange and bizarre power that makes their inherent truth seem unbelievable. - Werner Herzog
I wouldn't believe that right now.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Franz Joseph I
by ReadingRambler on Jun 10, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep, this is a bandaid approach. With USC effectively out of the way for ~5 years, UT can dominate until it’s ready to reform something in the SW.
Ouch, just saw that
Lane Kiffin wins a sales award for getting Seantrel Henderson there with this in the pipeline.
Curious to see if Henderson redshirts and transfers.
To Minnesota. Ya know, because Brewster was always his second choice…
by The Mexican't on Jun 10, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
What was Seantrel's quote?
Because I am too lazy to google it I am paraphrasing – looks like it is going to be USC and Florida for the national championship for the next four years. UUUHHH… well maybe not.
At least the weather is nice in southern California.
Too high? What do you mean too high?
by The Bacon Explosion on Jun 10, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Why can't they do that now?
They can let Nebraska and Mizzou leave, and try to bring in Arkansas and/or TCU, etc.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jun 10, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
This last comment...
was in reply to RRambler’s comment about Texas starting a new SWC in a few years.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jun 10, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Amazing what passes for journalism
That’s just like the rest of the article. No facts, just opinions.
You apparently got here by accident. This is not a newspaper. Newspapers have journalistic guidlines and publish articles. This is a blog. Blogs are places where people express their opinions, and where people go to read others’ opinions and/or be entertained.
Just to help alleviate your confusion:
An example of a newspaper article
An example of a blog post
See the difference?
Missing key point
The NCAA does not control BCS so it will affect other sports and not football.
Mountain West Connection The best site for MWC sports!
No, but the NCAA does determine who is a conference
And without a conference, there is no AQ standing for any basketball or football. Do you think the BCS will treat 5 independent fomer-BigXII schools like Notre Dame?
The NCAA would also have to approve any change to a conference championship game. If, as some have speculated, the only way to select a football champion from a 16 team league is with semifinal games, that would require NCAA approval.
So the NCAA does have a very direct impact on football. The MWC’s AQ status is in the hands of the BCS, but the NCAA does have an impact in football.
Actually, the NCAA has nothing to do with who is in what conference
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jun 10, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
I never said that the NCAA has to approve conference members
But they do have regulations about what constitutes a conference, and the BigXII does not meet those guidelines if 7 teams leave. They need 6 teams that have been playing for at least 5 years.
The NCAA also has guidelines about what it takes to hold a championship game. And adding a semifinal game would have to go through the NCAA (IF that’s the plan for the Pac16).
Forgive me if I'm late to the party ...
I was so cranked from last night’s Blackhawks’ victory I didn’t get to bed until 4 a.m.
What we’re bascially saying is that Texas is an insestous, whore, serial-killer?
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Jun 10, 2010 11:29 AM CDT reply actions
They also have a finger biting problem, much like Scott Hartnell.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Franz Joseph I
by ReadingRambler on Jun 10, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Texas is biggest underachiever in College Football History
Lost in all the chatter too is the fact that there is no more overrated team than Texas. They have just one MNC since Watergate – an upset win of USC in 2005. And, with all that talent that is pathetic. Clemson has won just as many MNCs as Texas in that time.
How did they exist in a SWConference for all those years with SMU, Rice, Houston, TCU, TTech, and A&M and not win titles every year? Their path to the MNC was way easier, than even the one that Neb/OU had in the pathetic Big 8. This is a program that is only as good as its current coach/direction. Before Mack Brown Texas had squandered. Rewind to John Mackovic days.
College Football is cyclical. Michigan sucks today. Before Tressel showed up, they were pounding OSU every year, and it cost John Cooper his job. PSU had dark years recently. Miami is not a power today, nor really is Nebraska like they were 10 years ago. Even Iowa went to the bottom in the Hayden-Kirk transition.
I actually see the Pac 16 as a good thing because it dilutes the ability of any one team to dominate. Texas really hasn’t dominated the Big 12 like everyone thinks they have. (Again, one MNC).
by Reggie Roby's Wrist Watch on Jun 10, 2010 11:34 AM CDT reply actions
It appears Colorado just bolted
Although not “Unconfirmed” sources maybe not much better. From ESPN “news”
Too high? What do you mean too high?
by The Bacon Explosion on Jun 10, 2010 11:40 AM CDT reply actions
Pac 10 Commish
Is no good? What more do you want?
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Jun 10, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
I believe that was a joke
As in, “Larry Scott is talking on the record, but who knows if he has any clue what’s actually going on.”
Hmm...
My humor detector has been on the fritz the last couple days. I’ll have to get it in the shop.
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Jun 10, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Pre-Emptive Strike
PAC 10 doesn’t want Baylor so they bring CO in early, then they only have 5 slots available. Smart move.
Facts sometimes have a strange and bizarre power that makes their inherent truth seem unbelievable. - Werner Herzog
Maybe a smart move
let’s be honest…the Pac 10 probably started exploring all this a couple of weeks ago. Colorado to the PAc 10 is about as risky as Nebraska to the Big Ten. But now the fun begins. Texas is now on the clock. Will they insist on being a package? Will A&M go on its own? I can’t wait until the news breaks. Hurt feelings, discord, drama.
Lerve it.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
by StoopsMyAss on Jun 10, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
yep
and to clarify, while this is a smart move, adding the other 5 all at once is a move I think will end in spectacular fierly crash. If you want to make a deal with the devil, you can at least try not to include all of his friends.
Facts sometimes have a strange and bizarre power that makes their inherent truth seem unbelievable. - Werner Herzog
At this point...
why can’t Texas just stay in the Big 12, let Nebraska and Colorado go, add a couple more teams (TCU? UTEP? Utah?), and then dictate terms about having their own Longhorn TV network (whenever the Big 12 re-does their TV deal, at the latest).
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jun 10, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Good question....
lack of leadership and vision would be my first guess.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
by StoopsMyAss on Jun 10, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
And now I see...
that NormParker’sToes just had the same thought, only 15 minutes before I did.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jun 10, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I had it
like two f’n hours ago. (actually mine was a bit different, but it was very similar)
And I think the real problem is a lack of flagship teams and population base to drive TV revenue.
Maybe Delaney could give them Illinois. I’m OK with that.
Facts sometimes have a strange and bizarre power that makes their inherent truth seem unbelievable. - Werner Herzog
No conference
is going to match the Big Ten on this front in about two weeks. So if everyone is trying to match us, they will keep shuffling the deck endlessly. Once ND comes on board with Rutgers, game-set-match. Academics in tact, natoinal football following increased, geographic and population foot print expanded—none of the original or sacred conference culture imperiled. Delany rides into the sunset a hero.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
by StoopsMyAss on Jun 10, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Rutgers shares the same sacred culture?
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Franz Joseph I
by ReadingRambler on Jun 10, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
yes, my friend
where do you want me to begin? Academically? Football style of play? Rutgers lack hubris and will do very nice play dates.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
by StoopsMyAss on Jun 10, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
They're essentially without preexisting culture & values
which makes them the perfect baby to adopt.
That sounded horrible.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
by StoopsMyAss on Jun 10, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
So, you're saying:
Rutgers has a history of sucking and having no fans outside of Rutgers Al?
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Franz Joseph I
by ReadingRambler on Jun 10, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly
ripe for the taking. You may recall this film?This is the Rutgers to the Big Ten story.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
by StoopsMyAss on Jun 10, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Or this is you prefer
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
by StoopsMyAss on Jun 10, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, but that chick was hot.
Rutgers is a fat Italian guy. And not the cool fat Italian guy like Mike Eruzione.
And I don’t want to be English.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Franz Joseph I
by ReadingRambler on Jun 10, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
You just want Penn State to be the only exotic chick
at the dance.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
Why?
Our exotic chick isn’t so exotic anymore, is she, Daniel Murray?
It’s just that the only eastern school we (read: I) want is Syracuse, because we hate her guts, because, um, Ben Schwartzwalder, um, old guys, um, screw Syracuse.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Franz Joseph I
by ReadingRambler on Jun 10, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Syracuse
is like Pam Anderson…and not after the Tommy tape…like after the boob job.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
Make that...the first boob job.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
Don't hold your breath for ND.
Independence is sacred. It’ll take more than Neb to B10 and Colo to Pac 10 to make them cave.
On a not-really-related note, Your Ass, what a fanastic performance by you in this thread. Superb writing and analysis. It’s a pleasure to read such fine prose.
Wow...thanks!
[blushing]
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
by StoopsMyAss on Jun 10, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Congrats! Anyone you'd like to thank?.... God, your parents?
Who's leg do I have to hump to get a drink around here?-Brian
His agent
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Jun 10, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, actually there's Nebraska.
And Ohio State. And Michigan. And Penn State. All of whom have had more than Texas. All of whom are better than the competition in your league.
And they make more money too.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jun 10, 2010 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, Flak...
I saw your comment way above. But, that includes getting rid of the whole Big 12 North. I’m talking about keeping whatever they have left, and building from there.
But, you’re right, the ideas are pretty similar.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jun 10, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
And ISU changes the focus of their prayer vigil to this outcome
Too high? What do you mean too high?
by The Bacon Explosion on Jun 10, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Only a smart move
if they STILL get Texas, sans Baylor. Think it is likely, UT didn’t want to be joined at the hip to the Baptists, but may be blocked from leaving if Tech/Baylor will be left out in the cold (assuming A&M goes to the SEC)
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
This is the greatest college football offseason ever!
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Jun 10, 2010 11:54 AM CDT reply actions
Pass the popcorn!
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
by StoopsMyAss on Jun 10, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Damn it!
Don’t they know that some of us have to work? I have spent far, far too much time on this today.
Too high? What do you mean too high?
by The Bacon Explosion on Jun 10, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Seriously...
Add some over-long shocked faces, a maid with her jugs hanging out, a ripped dude with his shirt off and a vaudevillian-style villian…this would be one hell of a telenovela.
Life - it's bigger...bigger than you and you are not me.
by hawkeyeguy85 on Jun 10, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
is that a new USA network series?
Maybe if BTN wants to start scripted programming?
Too high? What do you mean too high?
by The Bacon Explosion on Jun 10, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
If the B12 adds 2 (pick 'em, just thinkin out loud)
It keeps the conference together, and cuts political opposition to expansion/realignment. ESPN is talking about the Pac 10 taking Utah to even things up. If the B12 were to pick up say TCU and Houston it stops the politicians in their tracks, and everybody is happy. KSU, KU, ISU, and Baylor have no gripe. Texas still gets to run things. Orin Hatch doesn’t have a bitch now because Utah is in a BCS conference.
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Jun 10, 2010 11:55 AM CDT reply actions
I would think that BYU would be equivalent to Baylor...
As far as Stanford and Cal are concerned.
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Jun 10, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Not here
or—for that matter— having them do a campus-wide mission for say, the next millenium.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
by StoopsMyAss on Jun 10, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
I meant in Utah
Where it matters. I have no problem with it either. But let’s admit it, the Utah legislature is barely a secular body sometimes.
I would trade Utah for
Nova Scotia … straight up. RIght now.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
by StoopsMyAss on Jun 10, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Better fishing, almost as much coal.
Fine.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Franz Joseph I
by ReadingRambler on Jun 10, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Such sacrifices...
We all must make. It’s for the good of the Union.
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Jun 10, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions
BUT BOISE STATE WOULD STILL BE LEFT OUT
Think of the children.
by cbrett42 on Jun 10, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Er...Houston
I don’t think so. They are a bad Texas wind storm from closing up as a university, much less as an athletic department. TCU and Boise or maybe anyone else.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
by StoopsMyAss on Jun 10, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Feel free to insert who you think would best fit...
I just picked a couple right off the top of my head. I was thinking TCU for no particular reason, and Houston because of James Cleveland.
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Jun 10, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
TCU is legit
Louisville maybe.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
by StoopsMyAss on Jun 10, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not sure
Arguably no team from the former SWC has been hurt more by that league’s demise than the Cougs. Once they went mid-major, it was downhill for them, until their recent (and still in progress) upswing. At the end of the 80s, they were Iowa-like (solid team bordering on very good) and their basketball program was very good. Both took major hits when the SWC folded and Houston was left out looking in, would be interesting to see what would happen if they got into a Texas-centric major conference.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Yeah,
but none of them have the income potential of Nebraska. CO is replaceable but not Big Red, unless LSU went on a collective bender and jumped ship.
Facts sometimes have a strange and bizarre power that makes their inherent truth seem unbelievable. - Werner Herzog
OK St looks to be going to Pac-10 now
http://www.sbnation.com/2010/6/10/1511445/pac-10-expansion-oklahoma-state-big-12
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by Jeremy Mauss on Jun 10, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
This only happens
If OU is coming along (at minimum), Ok State adds nothing on its own.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I'm sorry
But this is horeshit. Mainly because the entire argument is based on a faulty premise: that Texas didn’t want the status quo.
We did, very much so.
You ain't hurt...
horeshit?
or whoreshit. Which is kind of disgusting.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
by StoopsMyAss on Jun 10, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Not buying it
nor is the nation. Yes, we buy you wanted the status quo but know you were unwilling to make any concessions that would have left the conference in tact. You took your ball and went home. Admit it. And watch out for the whoreshit over there.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
by StoopsMyAss on Jun 10, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
You gotta pay extra for that ...
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Jun 10, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
We liked you. We wanted you.
But now we think, no, know you’re a slut.
Go away. Skank.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Franz Joseph I
by ReadingRambler on Jun 10, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd still be happy
if Texas joined the Big 10. They’d fit right in academically, culturally, and athletically. Only thing is they wouldn’t be the de facto big dog any more, with OSU and Michigan in the mix. Add Nebraska and Notre Dame, and you have the best football conference ever.
Brunettes not fighter jets
I don't see Texas doing what Ohio State does
which is have an all for one and one for all attitude. Ohio State totally dominates this conference and could run and hide or dictate terms. They don’t and wouldn’t dream of being that way.
That would not be Texas and I would be surprised if Notre Dame tried that too. THey are total team players in the Big East for non-football sports
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
by StoopsMyAss on Jun 10, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I have actually heard one of the sticking points
To either Texas or Notre Dam joining the Big Ten is that both of them want to select who dots the “I” for the tOSU marching band.
Too high? What do you mean too high?
by The Bacon Explosion on Jun 10, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
It's because Delaney has pictures of Tressel and his sweater in compromising positions.
Who's leg do I have to hump to get a drink around here?-Brian
Because OSU and the Big Ten have a long history
Which keeps them in check, they’re in it for the real long-term and look to maintain the overall health of the league. I want Texas to the Big Ten, but I agree the biggest stumbling block would be the lack of loyalty to the Big Ten as an institution that Texas would have.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
That would be awesome...
except that, Texas would never join that, because they can’t dominate it.
Also, as a Hawkeye fan, I really worry about where Iowa would end up in that pecking order. Right now, I feel like we are 2 to 3 really good years away from breaking into the top of the Big Ten. If we add all those powers, I’m not as confident.
And now, I’m officially thinking like a member of the UT athletic department.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jun 10, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Texas wanted the status quo
Nebraska did not. They finally got tired of your shit and they left. Had they spent the last few months working on something like equal TV revenue sharing, or building a Big 12 network, or both, we probably wouldn’t be here today. UT has nobody to blame but UT.
Facts sometimes have a strange and bizarre power that makes their inherent truth seem unbelievable. - Werner Herzog
Big 12 Network would have been proof.
University of Texas Network is the pudding.
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Jun 10, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Didnt try
Why wasnt there a longer meeting or discussing on adding more teams to Big XII then? Losing Nebraska and Colorado could have easily been replaced with a combo of Utah, BYU, and TCU.
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by Jeremy Mauss on Jun 10, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
You vastly overestimate the value TCU would bring to the Big XII.
I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks
by Adam Jacobi on Jun 10, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
TCU=Flavor of the day...
Like Louisville a few years ago.
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Jun 10, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I can't wait for all of the non-following sports fans react later in the Fall.*
“Wait?!?! What?!?! We’re in the Big Ten? Colorado is in the PAC-10? What the hell? I don’t get it.”
*"Everybody" in Nebraska is a Husker fan, even if they only know that they play football or something.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Let's just say TX stays and salvages the Big 12...
And Colorado leaves for the Pac 10. That leaves the Big 12 with 10 teams, the Pac 10 with 11 teams, and the Big Ten with 12 teams. Don’t numbers mean anything to people??!!! I guess they only do if they have dollar signs in front of them.
by Kinnick Stadium is my Graceland on Jun 10, 2010 12:57 PM CDT reply actions
Also
Let the record show that Jim Delany out-thunk himself and started this mess. Y’all forced everyone’s hand and, surprise-surprise, everyone in the Big 12 is doing what’s in their perceived best interests. Texas is no different than anyone else, including the greedy weasel Delaney, who couldn’t let well enough alone.
You ain't hurt...
Delany didn't out think anything.
Did he force the Pac 10 to start after Colorado and the others? Perhaps. But neither you nor I know what happened behind the scenes. What we do know is that the Big 12 was going to collapse one day due to the weight of the egoes involved, particularly Texas. And if Delany wanted this to happen, how does this mean he “out-thunk himself”? Nebraska isn’t a bad get, and ND may eventually have to join.
And, uh, Texas is quite a bit different from Delany. Delany makes more money and shares more money (which eventually leads to making more money). Delany’s boys also have a secure place to call home.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Franz Joseph I
by ReadingRambler on Jun 10, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Nothing stopping Texas from saving the B12
But the greed of Texas.
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Jun 10, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey Bean....Delany is fucking smart. No doubt...but
you’re claiming he is an evil genius comparable to Lex Luthor. He’s just a guy in a suit. So settle down.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
Delaney does have the same hairstyle.
Bald.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jun 10, 2010 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Let the record show
that Nebraska was so unhappy with her home of over 100 years, and saw so little chance of it turning back into a place where she would be happy, that she left.
You sound like a guy who smacks his wife around from time to time, just to put her in her place ya know. Then when she meets some other guy who says he’ll do right by her, you get pissed at the other guy for ruining your marriage. No, it was all you.
Facts sometimes have a strange and bizarre power that makes their inherent truth seem unbelievable. - Werner Herzog
Let the record really show...
… that Nebraska left her home of 14 years. The Big 8 died whelping the Big 12.
Better academics.
Better money.
Less Shorthorn bullshit.
And Texas fans are wondering why we left.
Oh, and I’d like to thank Texas for burning down the rest of the conference to get us out of our mortgage payments. Awesome job!
by Albino Tornado on Jun 10, 2010 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions
stop blaming Texas.
You guys want to be king! Try winning something in any sport. You left because you wanted to be the big dog, but can’t because you guys are horrible in everything that you do. If you couldn’t win in the big 12 north, what makes you think you can win in the big ten?
But if Nebraska's so horrible....
Why is it that our leaving is causing the conference to detonate?
I really hope the Pac-10 invite falls through due to relentless Texas politicing and you guys continue reinventing the SWC.
I’ll cop to us being horrible in basketball, though — the NU/jNWU hoops pillowfights will be epic.
by Albino Tornado on Jun 10, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Crippled-conference fight?
Nebraska, stop tracking mud into your new home, dammit.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jun 11, 2010 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions
I thought Nebraska wanted to be treated like an equal.
Rather than a second-class citizen.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
So the fact that Nebraska has 68 overall conference title makes them horrible at everything?
Granted, Texas is number 1 at 106, but given the size differences in state population, alumni base, and size of student body that’s not so bad. 68 is #2, A&M is #3 at 44.
I don’t think that AT said that they’d win the Big Ten, he may think it and they probably have as good of a chance as anybody, but I think you’re putting words in his mouth. Also, who won the Big XII North last year?
I don't think Nebraska's route to a football conference title got easier
Assuming the Big Twelven goes east-west, Nebraska’s got Iowa/Wisconsin every year, which is tougher than the pu-pu platter of the Big 12 North. Then they’re going to get, in all odds, one of Ohio State/Penn State instead of Oklahoma/Texas. (Michigan is excused for the next few years.)
by Albino Tornado on Jun 10, 2010 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Thank you
I’ve actually heard this from all of my Husker friends in the last two days. Which is an acknowledgment of reality that is welcomed.
And there’s really no excuse for Michigan.
68 conference titles does nothing for you at the current moment!
Silly you. Don’t you know we live in a “what have you done for me lately” world?
So you say they are horrible at everything they do, but won’t accept data showing a history of success. Using that logic, since the academic year is over all athletic departments are equally unimpressive since there are no more conference titles for the year.
Or maybe we just look at last year? Well, they still won the BigXII North last year, is that “lately” enough?
by PackerHawk on Jun 10, 2010 5:00 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't feel any ill will toward Texas, but ...
how could you not see this coming? Resentment — real or imagined — has been festering for years in the B12N.
Osborne is a pretty steady guy. It would take a lot for him to sign off on a move like this.
Delany may be aggressive, but how predatory is it to offer Nebraska something it wants?
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Jun 10, 2010 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
That's fine and all
I’m lashing out against the idea that there’s Texas in one corner, acting all self-interestedly, and everyone else in the other, trying to be cooperative and sweet and not caring about money.
You ain't hurt...
The only victims here are ...
Kansas, K-State, Mizzou and Iowa State.
Then again, Iowa State usually is the victim.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Jun 10, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Did Texas
step back and say “Hey fellas, this whole thing is going to hell. What do we need to do to fix it?” Or did they say “You will declare your loyalty to the family as it is right now, or else.”
Facts sometimes have a strange and bizarre power that makes their inherent truth seem unbelievable. - Werner Herzog
Funny, for as concerned as Texas is about saving the B12...
They never once mentioned (that I heard) redoing the compensation distribution. You don’t get to come over here and beat on Delaney about being greedy and get a free pass on the mote in your own eye.
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Jun 10, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
That's the point, dood
Everyone’s acting in their self-interest. Texas is getting hammered for it, as though it’s the only one. = False.
You ain't hurt...
Dood...
You can’t act like the buttraped White Knight over this. Nebraska probably never makes it to the point of being mad enough to leave the B12 if you don’t have revenue sharing that is 1. Unequal and 2. 1/2 of everybody else. You got to run the conference your way. The conference got tired of you. Sorry bout your luck.
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Jun 10, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
That's because Delany is acting in the interest of 11 universities.
He’s trying to increase the revenue and exposure of an entire conference. That is different than focusing solely on the revenue of a single institution while being forced to bring two or three other schools along with you.
So yes, there is a distinction to be made between the two. So it’s more than just self-interest, it’s the motivations behind, and degrees of, self-interest involved.
UT
had the power to save the Big 12, if that was what they really wanted. They needed to commit to solving the Big 12 problems and that means giving up some money and power. Wouldn’t have been be easy and it wasn’t guaranteed to work, but they didn’t even want to try.
Besides, Texas will be fine no matter where she lands, so quit yer whining.
Facts sometimes have a strange and bizarre power that makes their inherent truth seem unbelievable. - Werner Herzog
Nebraska doesn't pretend it's not about money...
… but let’s not pretend it’s not just about money, either.
No relationship survives ultimatums, and Beebe’s ultimatums were in Texas’ best interest, not Nebraska’s.
And if you want to see hateful, go read the hateful screed Geoff Ketchum’s got behind the Orangebloods paywall.
by Albino Tornado on Jun 10, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
The local Omaha radio guys read it
… and it was the worst kind of histrionic bile about how Nebraska doesn’t deserve to be in the same conference as Texas.
by Albino Tornado on Jun 10, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Unsportsmanlike Conduct on 1620 AM
They’re on itunes, but I can’t remember which segment it was in.
by Albino Tornado on Jun 10, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
To be fair, the ultimatums were from Beebe and Powers, the UT president, who was the only other person authorized to speak for the conference. Why did Nebraska have a problem with this, again?
To whose advantage were those ultimatums?
If Nebraska were to respond that they were staying, but didn’t, Nebraska might have been liable for damages.
When Don Beebe speaks, it’s because DeLoss Dodds and Bill Powers have told him what to say.
by Albino Tornado on Jun 10, 2010 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
We know
he was being sarcastic.
You’re gonna be a riot during hate week. Which I’m lookin forward to very, very much.
Facts sometimes have a strange and bizarre power that makes their inherent truth seem unbelievable. - Werner Herzog
Sorry
My sarcasm meter’s getting a lot of interference from the joy at being able to tell Texas to not let the door hit’em where the Good Lord split’em.
by Albino Tornado on Jun 10, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
No, no...
…he out-thunk (?) everyone else. He kept stirring the pot just enough. He’s a killer poker player for sure. Everyone else just has twitchy trigger fingers and his is stone cold.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jun 11, 2010 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions
If anyone cares, USC is about to get a two year ban on post-season play
Since we are talking Pac 10 stuff right now…
My blog: http://www.gretainthebox.com
Thanks Paul Revere
(just kidding)
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
How are you today?
You seem feisty. Any particular reason?
My blog: http://www.gretainthebox.com
by Leftcoast Hawk on Jun 10, 2010 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Rutgers said no when he proposed to them.
Just a theory.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jun 10, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm bored, so I'm watching this.
Michael Angelo Batio rocking out.
Serious metal chops. Guy lives in Chicagoland, I think…
My blog: http://www.gretainthebox.com
by Leftcoast Hawk on Jun 10, 2010 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Like all class clowns my bad humor
knows no bounds.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
He's from Chicago I think
I saw him at a guitar store in Iowa City last year. He was promoting his new guitars and there were like 20 guitar nerds there, he did an hour long show of just him rocking out. That guy is wierd, hilarious, and awesome at guitaring. Go football!!
Hey Dolph, you look like I need a beer.
by Give Eddie a Beer on Jun 10, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Most of these guys who are "B or C list guitarists"
Except amongst guitar nerds, are really fun people to hang out with. They’ve done a ton of backup work and they’re usually far better musicians than the people they back up.
My blog: http://www.gretainthebox.com
by Leftcoast Hawk on Jun 10, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Word is
OKS already got an invite. They also have a well connected billionaire on their side, which is no small thing.
Facts sometimes have a strange and bizarre power that makes their inherent truth seem unbelievable. - Werner Herzog
True story:
I was once riding to San Antonio from Dallas with my Waxahachie born and bred Texan uncle. We stopped in Waco to get food, and he mentioned Baylor being nearby. I asked if they had anything other than a bad football team, and I swear he took several seconds before answering “I think they have good lawyers”.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jun 10, 2010 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions
It appears the Pac whatever is going to great lengths to make sure there’s no room at the table for the baptists and Ken Starr. That being said, it seems they want the combo of OSU and OU much more than KSU and KU. Football baby.
Makes sense...
It’s one thing to get stuck with somebody like Baylor in a conference that was formed 90 years ago when things were different. Why take on a weak sister like that intentionally?
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Jun 10, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Fixed:
Pac Integer.
"Now we can no longer hold back. It will be a terrible war." - Emperor Jim Delany I
by ReadingRambler on Jun 10, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Well,
OU is in/close to the elite of football right now. KU/KSU, not so much. And football appears to be driving all of this more than basketball, so that negates KU’s strength.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jun 10, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
It's June 10...
the next few months (and years) will either be a boring letdown or kill us all.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Jun 10, 2010 2:38 PM CDT reply actions
No doubt...
I can’t wait for Hate Week with Nebraska.
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Jun 10, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
You know they'll
make some kind of trophy for this game eventually. I just want it to be a bushel of corn. And I mean an actual Farn’n Fleet bushel basked filled with corn.
Facts sometimes have a strange and bizarre power that makes their inherent truth seem unbelievable. - Werner Herzog
by Flakbait on Jun 10, 2010 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, the Iowa fans in Omaha and Counciltucky are besides themselves with joy
… and the Nebraska fans would like to have an end of the season game where one doesn’t get urine-bombed.
Yeah, for all of the great things about Kinnick
The student section is rather disappointing. There, I said it. And please, go to a game at Camp Randall and then try to argue the point.
You don't like ...
the Heaven’s Waiting Room vibe?
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Jun 10, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
No, that's Memorial Stadium in Lincoln.
The number of oxygen canisters brought in far, far outnumbers the number of flasks.
by Albino Tornado on Jun 10, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
In terms of student sections, Camp Randall has always been rowdier than Kinnick
but realize that at Camp Randall they have a history and tradition of thinking about the game second. First, is the party. On the field of play they only hear the screaming but in the stands, if you are a serious football geek, Camp Randall is infuriating.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
Still I'll take Jump Around over the Panchero's Big Burrito Lift
Every time I’ve been there it’s been sitting in the visitors seats in the old south end zone or in the upper deck and I wasn’t really bothered by the students. I do like games where the visiting team goes up early in the 1st quarter and all the students show up with their team down (last OSU trip to Madison).
The problem at Kinnick is that not only does the student section show up late and not really know what’s going in (for about half of them), it’s not even loud or rowdy. Just kind of blah, which is what the flask of Templeton is for, it gets me through.
uhh, going on
not going in, most of them do know what’s going in later that night even if they don’t remember the who part of the equation.
Not exactly,
I was in Madison for the Iowa game last year, and their student section didn’t fill up until after halftime, I was more than disappointed, irked would a good word, they claim to have such wild and passionate fans, I didn’t really see it.
Tigers love pepper... they hate cinnamon.
by White Lightning on Jun 10, 2010 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I've noticed that lately too.
I know that Bret and Barry are worried about it. They are giving things away to students who show up before kickoff, and doing anything they can to fill that place up. They also take away people’s tickets if they are too drunk, as in never again while at UW can you get a ticket. And I think that they actually made that online system for switching tickets that Iowa tried work, so you can’t scalp off of somebody on the approved list.
I’m still not terribly impressed with the southwest corner of Kinnick though. And it doesn’t usually fill up, at all.
GOT THAT SHIT RIGHT.
I went to Nebraska (and was actually on the team), but I’ve been a Hawkeye fan all my life. I’m extremely excited about this.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Oh, and I am an Omaha native.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Lol wut?
KC channel 5 says UT and aTm to the B10, OU and mystery school to be named later to the SEC now too.
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Jun 10, 2010 3:09 PM CDT reply actions
High level sources in multiple conferences have told KCTV5 that Texas and Texas A&M are looking to move to the Big Ten Conference and have petitioned for membership,
Having spent all morning thinking “thank god those assholes aren’t coming to the party”, this would not be a happy turn of events.
Facts sometimes have a strange and bizarre power that makes their inherent truth seem unbelievable. - Werner Herzog
I think this would be the single best move...
To get the US Congress involved in it. I can’t imagine that’s a good or helpful thing.
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Jun 10, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Thank God...
that the KC media is completely reliable and totally trustworthy.
Nnnnnotttttttttt!
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jun 10, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
You know
I’ve watched that movie probably a dozen times, and until now I’ve never noticed what appears to be a dick poking through a glory hole next to the word “SLAPSTICK!” until just now.
"Enough of your borax, Poindexter! We need action!"
by Bucketochicken on Jun 10, 2010 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Thank you for pointing that out.
Nnnnnnotttttttt!
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Jun 10, 2010 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions
wow
if that’s legit, they’d probably take Missouri too, since they are going that way anyway, then maybe come back to ND offering the 16th spot?
Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.
"People who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do." -Isaac Asimov
by shake n bake on Jun 10, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Nah
Rutgers. An equally uninspired choice but better potential. Mizzou is pretty much all it’s ever going to be. Plus, Ruthers starts fucking up the Big East which is what it’s going to take to get ND to move.
Facts sometimes have a strange and bizarre power that makes their inherent truth seem unbelievable. - Werner Herzog
Texas to New Jersey is quite a distance gap
though not much longer than to Penn St. and they’d definitely be doing divisions.
Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.
"People who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do." -Isaac Asimov
by shake n bake on Jun 10, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
A Big IF
Big 12 officials also tell KCTV5’s sources that some Big 12 office employees are planning to be without a job within weeks.
Maybe the Big Ten can force Texas to behave, maybe. And hey, this leaves 6 teams in the BigXII so they could try and get 6 MWC schools (Utah, TCU, BYU… uh and 3 others) to join them. Utah, BYU, and TCU get into an AQ league, the potential 5 orphans of the Big XII are saved, and everybody rides off into the sunset, depending on who joins OU, West Virginia?
Potentially the ultimate strong arm move on ND?
UT and aTm would be 14, if ND wants in they need to be on the phone RFN with Delaney.
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Jun 10, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Which
rumor has it, would stop expansion at 12, one of ND’s conditions.. So no Nebraska, no Texas. Remember, we still don’t have rumors of invitations going out. Just rumors of people coming. (I know, I read the post, everybody split the hairs nicely, I’m just sayin)
Facts sometimes have a strange and bizarre power that makes their inherent truth seem unbelievable. - Werner Herzog
Actually a really good point...
Mizzou went from shoe in with one foot out the door to calling UT asking for mercy. Delaney is a playa. I think he’s shown he’s willing to play politics in other conferences to get what he wants, why would this be any different.
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Jun 10, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think ND gets to dictate terms anymore
The superconference is happening. They can get on board or take their precious independence and rot.
by HawkeyeInExile on Jun 10, 2010 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Honestly, I don't think any admin at Neb.
Are really mad at UT. Why would they be? Partial Qualifiers? Small potatoes in the big scheme of things. And sensible husker fan realizes that Frank Solich and Bill Cahallan had much more to do with NUs struggles than the Big XII setup. UT simply hired a great coach and recruiter, excited an enormous fanbase that has a bit of a reputation of being casual, and UT is enjoying its success. While, sure, there is jealousy, but I highly doubt there is actually any ill will toward Austin outside of an misinformed fanbase.
This Big Ten decision, I bet, was much more defensive than people realize. While UT has any option it wants (provided it can bring its brothers), neb has the big Ten or the Big XII, and that really is it. And since CU and MU seemed less than solid on the Big XII (not blaming them, just saying), neb took the opportunity for stability.
Watching ESPN News right now
Discussing conference realignment, of course. Joel Schad seems to be sticking with the meme that Texas “did everything it could to keep the conference [Big XII] together”. Nice.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Great Facebook Group
All the Cyclone fans trying to rationalize their situation and discuss possible solutions. I think my favorite solution thus far has the BigXI adding ISU, KU, KSU, and Mizzou out of pity Jim Delaney getting mindfucked, thus giving the BigXI 9 teams in each division, yes 9 teams and we could have a conference championship. I may end up spending the rest of my night at this group.
by A True Americanzi on Jun 10, 2010 7:28 PM CDT reply actions
This is great, too
Lets make sure that we do what is best for ISU and not the Big Ten.
I’m not sure whether this is saying that ISU shouldn’t join the Big Ten, or that ISU should join the Big Ten whether we want them or not. Either way, I find it hilarious.
I read somewhere between 50-75 "listings"
It’s all kind of sad. Somewhere between If we build it they will come and Lets all drink the kool-aid, in some sort of Jim Jones mass suicide.
Who's leg do I have to hump to get a drink around here?-Brian
Yeah, I didn't want to waste too much time reading the thoughts of the delusional
But I did also like the one woman who seemed to be saying that the Big Ten wouldn’t invite Iowa State because we’re scared about Iowa State competing with us.
I really liked the few honest people who were accepting their fate in the MWC or C-USA
Very refreshing.
My favorite strain of delusion on there is the “let’s raid the Big Ten for teams since they all suck and the BigXII is soooo awesome”.
Them are the same people that call Ames a party town.
Who's leg do I have to hump to get a drink around here?-Brian
Boy, am I happy to be here!
Born and raised in Lincoln, needless to say a huge Husker fan.
You all are about 10 times more intelligent than most of our old conference mates! Got so sick of constant idiot comments on every website from our opponents, with the possible exception of KU and ISU, and especially from Missouri fans. Look forward to a potential long term rivalry with the Hawkeyes!
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