Throwing The Luck Flag
One of the immutable truths of fandom is that as soon as somebody starts citing "luck" as a reason that a certain team beat another team, there is sufficient childish logic being applied that you can ignore the rest of what this person has to say. It's the Godwin's Law of sports. "Well then they must have been lucky" = "I have the intelligence of a toddler."
And yet, luck does exist in college football, as it's susceptible to the random, game-changing whims of a bouncing or tipped ball. It exists to the point that Phil Steele famously adjusts for the previous year's turnover margin when making his predictions for the upcoming year.
So what's to be done? If a team pulls a supposed "upset," you can't reflexively throw the luck flag and designate the win bullshit and invalid. That's what video games are for. But if there's a factor at work here--one that even Steele acknowledges--then there must be some halfway objective data for it, yes?
In fact, there is. In Mgoblog's user The Mathlete's diary, he examined the last two seasons' play under these criteria:
I took my team PPG values for the full 2009 season and then "re-played" the regular season schedule to see how the season would play out if the teams played at that consistent level and the fluky plays were eliminated. All first half plays and any in the second half with the game within 2 touchdowns were included. Interceptions are included, fumbles are not. Standard special teams plays are included, punt blocks, on-sides kicks etc. are not.
This is somewhat arbitrary, of course, but all selective interpretations of data must be, by definition. Further, it's fair on its face; we might suggest including a team's performance within 3 touchdowns in the third quarter, but if everything's judged by the same reasonable standard, then there's no real gripe.
The turnover part is the smartest case, though; while fumble recoveries are difficult to sustain or cause with any regularity, interceptions (especially those not resulting from a tip, but even then, the defense deserves credit) are much more talent-based--and reliable.
So we have our standards. And thanks to The Mathlete, we also have two years of data for everybody in the NCAA. And yes, there's a data plot for it:
The BXI teams are helpfully demarcated, but you'll notice someone in the far upper left. Yes, it's jNWU, thumbing their noses at the college football world. Two years, two top spots in the nation in luck.
Now, anybody with even a cursory education in high school mathematics would use this occasion to point out that the odds of jNWU leading the way twice in a row is so sufficiently low that there's more than luck that goes into their record. It's not like Pat Fitzgerald is sitting in the press box and playing Transformers Vs. My Little Pony, after all. But at the same time, Iowa went from profoundly unlucky in 2008 to moderately lucky in 2009. It's also not like Kirk Ferentz improved immensely from 2008 to 2009. There is some serious randomness at work.
And if you think that we're making something out of nothing, ask the last two most important Iowa offensive players--Shonn Greene and Ricky Stanzi--who in consecutive contests with jNWU, both just so happened to get knocked out of the game on questionably legal hits that just so happened to result in lost fumbles and substantial swings in score and momentum. Only the fiercest of jNWU partisans would refuse to acknowledge this (if they weren't too engrossed in armani.com, of course).
So, Northwestern. I have a feeling that your whole family is going down. But for now, we have to practice.
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Well played sir.
You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!
by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Apr 28, 2010 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Iowa would have been much farther out in the "Lucky 2009" part of the plot...
if not for Ricky Stanzi and his amazing STANZIBALLS. So, um, thanks?
Unless Fitzgerald has somehow managed to place some sort of tiny football-attracting super-magnets (how do they fuckin’ work?) in his players’ gear and used them to force so many turnovers in the past two years, I think things are going to balance out for them over the next few seasons. I can only hope this is especially true on 11/13/10.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Leather Magnets?
Expensive but effective.
Who's leg do I have to hump to get a drink around here?-Brian
Leather Magnets...
….Fitz uses DISCO to get interceptions!? (Disco is the only leather magnet I know of.)
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 29, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
The best was when I was driving, in traffic, in a new city (San Francisco in my case)
And I’m focused on trying not to get bump-drafted by some asshole in a SUV, when all of a sudden my lovely and really-means-well wife directs her finger in a direction only she knows where it’s pointing to and tells me to “Go there.”
Go there. Thanks for the help, Ferdinand Magellan. I’ll pass on “going there” and instead focus on not getting us run off the Bay Bridge.
And yes, it is your other left.
"I know you're from Middle America, and sometimes you feel like you're representing more than just a school or a conference, maybe an entire group of American citizens out there."
by Twin Cities Hawk on Apr 28, 2010 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
My favorite from my co-pilot
is the “turn back there” – yes, at a place we just passed – as if my Suburban was the Magic School Bus and could transform into a dragonfly or helicoptor or something.
This sounds so damn familiar.
It's not that I'm lazy, Bob, it's that I just don't care
I just let my GF drive in SF
She grew up out here in California (in Sacramento, but she’s been to SF a shitload of times). I can’t figure out wtf I’m going when we’re there, although its actually easier to drive through than some of the other big cities I’ve been to (Chicago, Dallas, etc.).
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by Leftcoast Hawk on Apr 28, 2010 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Lived there for 5 years.
If you add in the whole upper bay area, then I believe it’s tougher than Dallas. (Lived there for 1.5 yrs.)
Who's leg do I have to hump to get a drink around here?-Brian
True story
I live in OKC and every once-in-awhile my wife and I make the 2 .5 hour trip down to Dallas. The fist time we went we arrived during “rush hour.” Not a good idea, as it turns out, on a Friday night, their “rush hour” lasts until about 7:30! It took us 1 hour just to drive the 8 mile to our hotel. After the hotel, we decided to hit down-town Fort Worth. Here it is 8:30 on a Friday night, and the traffic is STILL backed up! It took us another 1.5 hours just to get to the restaurant. The good news is it only took about 45 minutes to get back to the hotel.
"The possibility of physical and mental collapse is now very real. No sympathy for the Devil, keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride." HST
Austin's surprisingly awful, given its size
Bit of advice if you ever come to town: DO NOT use I-35 under any circumstances. The number of times I have seen it not backed up in 7 1/2 months, I can count on one hand. And four of those were after 10 pm.
Drill Instructors used to say,
NO! Your Military left!!
Life is hard. It's really hard if you're stupid.
Minnesota lucked themselves into 55-0 and 12-0
Hahaha. I can’t wait until their luck finally runs out one of these years, just to see what we can do to them.
by PurpleMonkeyDishwasher on Apr 28, 2010 9:16 AM CDT reply actions
Sweet Jesus I hate them so much
I mean, I hate Minnesota when they feebly try to steal our pig every year. And I hate the Zookers. And I especially hate Ohio State, because, well, how can you NOT hate them? But great googly-moogly I don’t know if anything compares to how much I fucking hate NW.
The good new is
unlike some of those other teams, the hate for jNW is likely temporary. I mean, did anyone really hate them when we murdered them every year? If and when order is restored, they will just be Northwestern again and we won’t have to worry about a yearly upset and players getting mysteriously injured. Hopefully.
by PurpleMonkeyDishwasher on Apr 28, 2010 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Have you SEEN Lake the Posts???
That shit ain’t temporary. And those posters won’t suddenly become rational.
"I know you're from Middle America, and sometimes you feel like you're representing more than just a school or a conference, maybe an entire group of American citizens out there."
by Twin Cities Hawk on Apr 28, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
True
But irrationality can become funny when it’s accompanied by ineptitude. See, e.g., Jamie Pollard.
by PurpleMonkeyDishwasher on Apr 28, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Um... YES- I will ALWAYS hate them.
I will always hate them. I was at the game my freshman year when jNW ended their 21-game losing streak against us. That losing streak is why their goal is “Beat Iowa” rather than “Beat OSU” or “Win Big 10 Championship.”
It the fact that they are just Northwestern and yet still ruined enough big games/seasons for us that I will hate them forever.
I’d like to see us put together a 22-game winning streak against them. It might take some of the sting away. If we win this year, we’ll still have 21 to go.
by KinnickNorthHawk on Apr 28, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Right up there with ISU
I was actually on-hand to see us end our 15-game streak against ISU. I think I hate them just a little bit more than jNW though. They f’d up our 2002 season. I will never forgive them for that. We ended up playing USC, who was probably the best team at the end of the season. I think we would’ve soundly beaten either of the two teams in the NCG. We had trouble against passing teams (USC). We demolished running teams.
by KinnickNorthHawk on Apr 28, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
jNW's mantra of Beat Iowa
Sounds a little McCarneyish
Who's leg do I have to hump to get a drink around here?-Brian
I think it's acceptable to hate any team but Iowa and Penn State on BHGP
If you feel like singing along, don't.
James Taylor
There's nothing wrong with hating Penn State.
But spitting venomous hatred in a rant won’t go over too well. Especially when it’s unprovoked.
by The Mexican't on Apr 28, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I understand what you're saying but some of us suffer from PTPSAHD.
My provocation came from 20+ years living among their smug and superior fans. You can call my rant unprovoked when you have walked a mile in my shoes. We all have our hates. The youngsters on BHGP can enjoy Penn State fans because to you they are like Norma Desmond in their funny, if pathetic, belief that they are still nationally relevant. I had to live among them when they were actually good and ten times as smug and condescendingly assholish to everyone (it’s a word). So anyway, my rant may have come across as unprovoked but don’t be too quick to judge one mans hate over another. We all love the Hawkeyes but it is our many varied hates that add a lustrous patina to the tapestry that is BHGP.
If you feel like singing along, don't.
James Taylor
I think your problem is your inability to see that all fanbases have annoying people and act accordingly
By this, I mean most Penn State fans I know are not condescending, the vast, vast majority of the Penn State fans on SBN are not condescending, and I would say the same for the group of Penn State fans who spend time on an Iowa blog of all places.
"I want your money, but I don't want your two cents." - JVP
by ReadingRambler on Apr 28, 2010 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions
IOWA FANS ARE NEVER ANNOYING.
Take it back!
by The Mexican't on Apr 28, 2010 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions
If PantherHawk didn't get the banhammer
he would have liked to had a word with you.
It's not that I'm lazy, Bob, it's that I just don't care
Pantherhawk clearly prefers tormenting Gophers at other sites.
That guy is everywhere that one would expect idiot commenters to exist. It’s unreal.
by The Mexican't on Apr 28, 2010 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Pantherhawk is not one man...
….he is the Dread Pirate Roberts of the intertubes.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 29, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
I think it extends well beyond football
I have always felt that Northwestern grads are lucky to get a job too. Their fucking mascot should be a rabbits foot.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
Wow.
Minnesota is “lucky”? Whaa?
"I want your money, but I don't want your two cents." - JVP
by ReadingRambler on Apr 28, 2010 10:23 AM CDT reply actions
...Yet....
You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!
by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Apr 28, 2010 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
Just imagine what we would’ve done to them if they WEREN’T lucky… That 12-0 score should’ve been another 55-0.
Maybe we can start a 21-game winning streak against Minnesota. That seems more do-able than another one against jNW.
by KinnickNorthHawk on Apr 28, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
NU Luck
Its just a simple curse…since Pat “Luck-O-Irish” Fitzgerald had his leg broken his senior year in the Iowa game….
Hate Northwestern, Hate OSU, Michigan State, Michigan too...you get the picture.
It must be a corollary or something to Godwin’s law that says….
in one tenth the time it takes to right that Northwestern is lucky, their message boards will be abuzz with discussions that “Iowa is playing the luck card again.” It looks like every Northwestern football season ticket holder has commented on this article already.
If you feel like singing along, don't.
James Taylor
Luck is defined as me getting a passing grade in Differential Statistics, graduating,
and landing a job the first week out of school.
by Stay thirsty, my friends. on Apr 28, 2010 8:39 PM CDT reply actions
Luck? Or divine intervention?
Who knew God’s favorite color was purple?
Jerry Falwell sure looks silly now.
Jerry Falwell looked silly well before Tinky Winky
No self-respecting man from Iowa goes anywhere without beer
by Hayden Fry's Moustache Ride on Apr 28, 2010 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Pat Fitzgerald is such a turd.
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by Leftcoast Hawk on Apr 28, 2010 10:38 PM CDT reply actions
Embrace your inner fucknorthwestern
And bring it back here on Friday
No self-respecting man from Iowa goes anywhere without beer
by Hayden Fry's Moustache Ride on Apr 28, 2010 11:19 PM CDT reply actions
MSU's spot on the scatterplot
Sounds about right. MSU ’08 was a 9-3 team that should have been 6-6, and MSU ’09 was a 6-6 team that should have been 9-3.

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