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Ben Brust Leaving Iowa Too, Because Hey Why Not

Jesus Horsefucking Christ, make this stop. Make it stop. Make it oh god it's not stopping at all. The latest rumored casualty: Ben Brust, a sorely needed 2-man. Here's what Hawkeye Report, um, reported:

Sources indicate Ben Brust is likely leaning toward asking for his release as well. Stay tuned to our site for the latest details.

Now, while this isn't confirmed, rumors are batting 2/2 on players leaving so far today, and it's really looking like 3/3.

Interestingly enough, the impetus behind Larson's and Brust's departures is, according to sources*, McCaffery's approach to recruit retention. Despite the fact that every existing recruit committed to Todd Lickliter, McCaffery has taken the unorthodox approach of selling himself as the anti-Lickliter to the recruits, ripping the old coach without reservation. While Zach McCabe is on board, half of the incoming class isn't, and there's no word yet on Devyn Marble. Still time to get mad? Jury's out on that one.

And Fran? Look. We know there's a purging that accompanies every coaching change, but man. The "lose players indiscriminately" tactic got tried last time. It didn't work very well. You may be the anti-Lickliter, but you certainly don't have the luxury of making that your only selling point. Lickliter, for his numerous faults, was still able to put together that dynamite recruiting class. The last thing you should be doing is questioning the judgment of both the players and Lickliter.


*Yes, we have them. Not many, but they're legit until proven otherwise. 

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Interesting approach to recruit retention....

“hey that guy that liked how you played basketball and wanted you to come to Iowa before I got the job is a moron”

I was very upbeat about this hire, but if your sources are correct, I already have some serious doubts.

But hey, maybe the guy is just some mad scientist and knows exactly what he is doing. I mean, this program really can’t get any worse

by cruzhawk on Apr 10, 2010 4:14 AM CDT reply actions  

You might need to remember that

The guy has been on the job for two fucking weeks. Let him coach a game first – shit, let him bring in a couple of his own players – before you start doubting him.

"I know you're from Middle America, and sometimes you feel like you're representing more than just a school or a conference, maybe an entire group of American citizens out there."

by Twin Cities Hawk on Apr 10, 2010 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

The doubt

comes from the rumors of how Fran is speaking poorly about Lickliter to the players Lickliter recruited, I also tempered that with “maybe he knows exactly what he is doing”. So relax.

Maybe the rumors are false, but in my humble opinion you don’t go telling everyone in your new job how terrible the guy before you was. It kind of rubs people the wrong way.

by cruzhawk on Apr 10, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

He may just be confused...

…since everyone else around here has been badmouthing Lick for years.

Or maybe Fran is actually SMA!? I haven’t seen Stoops post on here in the last couple weeks.

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 14, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I suppose that assumes that retention was the goal.

I know we’re inclined to panic due to the transfers over the last few years, but losing commits and a player or two during a coaching change happens everywhere.

I’m not going to worry unless the pattern of losing the best players in the off-season developed over the past three years continues going forward past this transition year.

by MikeyJoe18 on Apr 10, 2010 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wasn't Larson the best recruit in the past... 5 years?

I dunno.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Apr 10, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Um...
I suppose that assumes that retention was the goal.

That’s what Fran said his intentions were. Or HAS HE BEEN LYING?!

I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks

by Adam Jacobi on Apr 10, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Shrug

I’m not saying it wasn’t. But is your honest contention that Fran would have gotten up at the presser and said “These players fucking suck. I’m running ’em off.”

by MikeyJoe18 on Apr 10, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey now...

You never know….he could be just that committed to his style of play, in which case, I’m not sure why he’s not running Cougill the fuck out of town.

And another touchdown for Rick Stanzi! Too bad the poor man's apparently colorblind!

by hkobb7 on Apr 11, 2010 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Having seen Brust play twice, this should be considered excellent news. I firmly believe that McCaffery is letting a few of these guys save face.

Describing this class as “dynamite” has to piss off dynamite everywhere. When did dynamite become so lame?

The only player that I was disappointed to see go was Fuller. He had at least proven that he could compete in the Big Ten.

by Hawkeye_Pierce on Apr 12, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

So I left work at 4pm yesterday a happy man

It was a bit early for me on a Friday, the weekend had arrived with some great weather and so I did what most would do in that situation: Got drunk as fuck.

Now, I’m sitting on the can this morning paying for my transgressions. I’m trying to figure out if all what occured after I left the office truly happened. My head hurts, my vision can’t catch up to the movement of my eyes and typing on a Droid keypad is proving nearly impossible.

I guess what I’m trying to say is “fuck hangovers” and “son of a bitch, transfers and release of intents suck.”

"I know you're from Middle America, and sometimes you feel like you're representing more than just a school or a conference, maybe an entire group of American citizens out there."

by Twin Cities Hawk on Apr 10, 2010 7:57 AM CDT reply actions  

If it makes you feel any better

Using the keypad on a Droid is nearly impossible for me even when I’m not hungover.

by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Apr 10, 2010 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, yeah...

the Droid wasn’t designed for use by toes.

Just sayin’.

Master of the convoluted IOWA cheers!

by EnergizerHawk on Apr 10, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

"Dynamite recruiting class"?

 I think Van Coleman has a lot to do with the hype this class is/was getting. He’s a state of Iowa homer and he is pretty much the godfather of “caring is creepy” and carries a lot of weight within recruiting circles. If he says he likes someone then chances are other recruiting services are going to up their rating on a particular kid. As for McCaffery, I gotta believe he is just being honest with these kids, which is good I suppose. Better to have them leave now than after their freshman or sophomore year.

"You're going to go out there with a dick full of confidence. Then, you're going to go out there and shoot that confidence all over the stadium." -Blue Mountain State

by Hawkaloogie on Apr 10, 2010 8:25 AM CDT reply actions  

It's just after 9 AM in Chicago,

my kids somehow allowed me to sleep in and I’m thinking “hey, this is going to be a good day”. Now I’m reading this story roughly five minutes after reading four different stories on the NY Times and Chicago Tribune about how the greatest generation of Polish political minds was just wiped out in a plane crash and that an entire nation is now in despair. Granted, when juxtaposed with the crash, I don’t feel as bad about the transfers as I normally might, but still…this morning is a fucking downer.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Apr 10, 2010 9:22 AM CDT reply actions  

Damn you.

I’m depressed now.

Master of the convoluted IOWA cheers!

by EnergizerHawk on Apr 10, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

You know where the Poles were going?

Katyn Forest, where the Soviet Red Army killed 20,000 Polish soldiers in WW2. One said, “It is a damned place.”

That whole thing has gotta be the most depressing and tragic thing I’ve read in a long time.

"can your nerd powers explain what this dude is doing in the thread above? I think we’re already defeated"

by ReadingRambler on Apr 10, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, the irony is cruelly apparent.

The former president was quoted as saying,

It sends shivers down my spine. First the flower of the Second Polish Republic is murdered in the forests around Smolensk, now the intellectual elite of the Third Polish Republic die

It’s pretty awful on every imaginable level.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Apr 10, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe it's because I'm a child of the Cold War...

but I find this whole thing suspicious.

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

by Blackheartnopants on Apr 10, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought about that, too

but the air traffic controllers in Russia had already denied permission to land for a Russian jet and urged the Polish plane to land in Minsk, but since it was a diplomatic envoy they didn’t have any authority over the plane (which refused the reroute request).

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Apr 10, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know, logically it doesn't make sense...

but…

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

by Blackheartnopants on Apr 10, 2010 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

If you don't think Russia wants to re-take Poland whenever possible...

then you haven’t watched enough Red Dawn.

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Apr 10, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't trust the motives ...

of a country run by gangsters and ex-KGB men. But their mail-order brides are first class!

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

by Blackheartnopants on Apr 10, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

We get all kinds here...

so I just want to say that the Russians I’ve met have, for the most part, been friendly people. It’s Putin and Co. I’m leery of.

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

by Blackheartnopants on Apr 10, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think I know any Russians.

My cousin has spent time there and in Ukraine, and he says the old ladies can be mean. I’m sure there are plenty of nice people there, like this guy:

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Apr 10, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's now how it works.

The pilot-in-command determines whether or not to shoot an approach. ATC does not control this decision. The media are wrong.

Reports are that he went missed-approach “3-4” times. Russian airline pilots crash more than any other European or North American cohort because they do these things. In the west we’ll fly one, in extremis two, approaches before bailing.

Mr. Boh Knows ...

by Bellanca on Apr 10, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good information on a lot I was not aware of.

However, the pilots were most certainly Polish and not Russian, as it was a Polish Governmental plane (granted, it was an old Soviet make).

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Apr 10, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well...

It will be always be suspicious since Russia has been returning to an FSB-run gangster paradise for some time now, but this sounds like it was the fault of the pilot and perhaps by proxy, the Poles for hiring the guy and allowing him to make the decision.

"can your nerd powers explain what this dude is doing in the thread above? I think we’re already defeated"

by ReadingRambler on Apr 11, 2010 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is why

I only come to BHGP for my globo-political discourse.

"An out of context quote to support my world view." -Some Dead Guy

by Scumdog0331 on Apr 12, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bloodletting

always feels painful. As long as the program doesn’t “bleed out” we’ll be just fine.

Jermelle Lewis is workin' the Minnesota D like a part time job.

by grillinhawk on Apr 10, 2010 9:47 AM CDT reply actions  

So is this a sign Cully could be on the way out too?

He’s said he’s on board thus far, but so did Brust and Larson. I know he and Brust are really tight.

by NorseHawk on Apr 10, 2010 9:51 AM CDT reply actions  

Pfft, point guards, who needs 'em?

Oh, right, every good basketball team. Fuck.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Apr 10, 2010 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

You CAN win without a point guard...

…if Wilt Chamberlain is on your team

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Apr 10, 2010 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

So you're saying we should start working on our voodoo charms?

So we can get Zombie Wilt to lead us to glory next year? I’m in.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Apr 10, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Little did we know...

that Andre Woolridge was applying to be our POINT GUARD.

McCaffery said: “Everyone else who will challenge Andre for minutes, get the f*** out! Let’s get mad again! That’s enough, Marg!”

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Apr 10, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would be 100% OK with Dre running point

if he had any eligibility left.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Apr 10, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

“Zombie Wilt”
Does he have any elegibilty left? Do we need to check with the NCAA to clarify the whole undead elegibility issue? If anyone needs me I’ll be the guy with the red wax dolls and chicken feet around my neck stalking his family for the urn…

by Herky505 on Apr 10, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

BRIGHT SIDE

Zach McCabe and Devyn Marble sound like they still want to come here. So not everyone is bailing out.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Apr 10, 2010 9:59 AM CDT reply actions  

CLEANHOUSE

I know losing players is not awesome. Especially when our roster is as thin as it is right now. Aaron Fuller leaving-Who gives a shit? If he was as good as he was supposed to be-Arizona Mr. Bball and all, why didn’t anyone from UA recruit him? He was 6’6 with no shot and couldn’t hold MSU and OSU’s wings jock. He was soft and had no heart. You could see that in his play. I’m over it.
Losing these recruits sucks but Van Coleman is a turd who gave these guys more credit then they deserved. That being said, if FRANTASTIC was bad mouthing Lickliter, probably not the best move to retain these guys, but chances are he doesn’t bust Lick’s balls to these guys without some kind of plan. (Doxie he is BOOKISH Right? Asshole)

While FRAN McFUN is at it get rid of Cougill and Brommer. They should both be playing NAIA. I am willing to bet Fran Dogg has a couple of irons in the fire on the East Coast and he can entice some guys to come play in a power conference with big time TV exposure. He needed to free up some scholarships and he did that. Let him do his work and don’t sweat this shit. It can’t be any worse than the last 3 years.

by endo4weeks on Apr 10, 2010 10:00 AM CDT reply actions  

Ugh, shut up

I hate that anytime a player leaves fans instantly shit all over them. Fuller was one of the best rebounders in the conference and our most consistent offensive threat once he got healthy. And he was still just a sophomore, so you would have to assume he was going to get better. He’s a legitimate loss not matter how you want to spin it to make yourself feel better.

by NorseHawk on Apr 10, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Truth

This “We-don’t-care-that-you’re-leaving-because-you-suck” reasoning was used for almost all of the Lick transfers as well. It really doesn’t add up. Some players are better than no players… there are really only so many Ju-Co players out there. These three loses hurt, a lot. Not saying it’s going to make a difference in maybe 2 or 3 years, but it’s definitely going to be felt next year.

by SallyMason on Apr 10, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

no, don't clean house

players that are good help make teams that are good.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Apr 10, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

I want to say this without crapping on the players...

because they (Fuller and Lil John) appeared to give maximum effort last year.

But, like many other successful coaches have done in the past, sometimes you just have to rebuild the culture. And that may include getting rid of anyone who has any doubts.

Yes, I bashed Lick for appearing to do something similar. And if Fran goes 8-25 next year, I will bash him too. But, if you revamp culture in your first year, manage to find a few players to come in and step in for those guys, then you have already started to actually rebuild, rather than waiting for the times when you must rebuild.

I am a bit concerned about the two recruits, but they appear to just be looking at all options. It is quite possible that they could decide to come to Iowa, to play with the greatest big man in the history of the game: Brennan Cougill.

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Apr 10, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Chazz, I like to tease you a lot (mostly because you make it pretty easy sometimes)

but this is an excellent point:

sometimes you just have to rebuild the culture

It’s hard to pin a disastrous tenure of a coach on a single player, but I truly believe that Lickliter’s demise can be traced to Tony Freeman. I don’t think Freeman was a bad guy, and Lickliter was ultimately responsible for his own problems, but Freeman’s approach to the new system and subsequent transfer after choosing to stay with the program for a year set a tone for everything else that came after.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Apr 10, 2010 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Thanks, Kyle...

and while I am not ambitious enough to actually figure it out, I have a feeling that if we looked at Ferentz’s beginnings, we would see a lot more benched starters, transfers, etc. than we remember. Probably the same story for the beginning of the Fry era at Iowa.

Yes, basketball and football are different. But sometimes, it is better to have your players be a bit less talented, but also be willing to walk on fire for you.

Also, the current Iowa players are known as one of the worst teams in school history in terms of wins and losses. That can’t be good for their confidence. If Fran thinks that his style will be a difficult adjustment for any of them, then those players might be doing themselves a favor by not hanging around for that experience.

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Apr 10, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think this is all because of the departure of Lil' John.

He was clearly the only piece holding this team and recruiting class together.

by SallyMason on Apr 10, 2010 10:06 AM CDT reply actions  

Finally, a voice or reason

I have been thinking this exact thing all day. Fuller? Who cares? A couple of recruits – they can be replaced. But Lil’ John, that hurts me, hurts me deeply.

Adrian Clayborn is strong enough to pull the ears off a Gundar

by The Bacon Explosion on Apr 10, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

How can they possibly do better than this last year?

As Fran was hired, we looked forward to returning every decent player and adding a top 25 recruiting class. Now, we’re losing our best rebounder and perhaps most consistent scorer, and now adding maybe a top . . . 150? . . . class. No offense ot McCabe or Marble, certainly hope they still come, but I feel like next year will be unwatchable.

by stewartom on Apr 10, 2010 10:27 AM CDT reply actions  

As has been pointed out above,

that “top 25 recruiting class” was based on one guy (Van Coleman) who’s somewhat of an Iowa homer. I could be wrong, but I don’t think any of the other sources (ESPN, Rivals, Scout) had Iowa’s class rated that highly.

I’m not trying to do the typical “We didn’t want him anyway!”, but I don’t think four freshman with (I think) two other big 10 offers between them were going to save the program next year. I’m not excited to see them go by any means, and it’s doubtful that Fran can replace them with better players this late in the game, but at least this will truly give him the opportunity to mold the program as he desires. Before the transfers and decommits, there was only going to be one open scholly each of the next two years. This should at least give us a better indication of what Fran is going to do with the program.

And overall, while I’m not denying that these transfers are going to hurt next year, I think we should have all expected that coming off the worst three year period in school history, Iowa needed a reboot more than they needed incremental improvement. I for one am willing to suffer through another shitty year if that’s what it takes.

by MikeyJoe18 on Apr 10, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

SOUR GRAPES ALERT

I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks

by Adam Jacobi on Apr 10, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who said they make bad "whine"...

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Apr 10, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Upon re-reading, you didn't deserve that.

It’s not nearly the worst sour-graping in this thread.

But still. This exodus cannot be part of the Master Fran. He doesn’t have that luxury. If Iowa keeps losing, fans are going to keep staying away.

I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks

by Adam Jacobi on Apr 10, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm certainly not meaning to say he intends to run off half the roster

I’m just saying that based on what I’ve said about our current recruits and players in the past, I’m just not going to get that worked up about it. Do I think these players (current and incoming) could have helped Iowa get “better”? Of course. They’re not awful players by any means, and I certainly think they could have helped.

It’s just that my opinion about the state of Iowa basketball overall is so low that I think you have to think that if Iowa is going to truly improve long term it’s going to be (like I said above) more of a reboot than year by year incremental improvements. It’s similar to what I said about retaining Lickliter before he was let go: there were those who claimed that Barta should have kept him one more year to see if Iowa could improve. I have no doubt that he could – after all, we’re getting dangerously close to “nowhere to go but up” territory. My opinion was that we should let Lick go because while I had no doubt he could improve on this past year, I didn’t have any faith that he could improve us to the point of contending in the Big 10 and making regular NCAA appearances again.

I guess that’s how I feel about these players. Would they have helped us get “better”? Sure, probably. Would they have helped us get back to the tournament? I don’t know.

by MikeyJoe18 on Apr 10, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

But by the way

+1 on “the master Fran”.

I thought I had reached the Fran pun saturation point, but that one actually made me chuckle.

by MikeyJoe18 on Apr 10, 2010 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

The day we've reached Fran-Pun Saturation Point

is the day he’s worn out his welcome.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Apr 10, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah.


"Do a flip!" - Bender B. Rodriguez

by Bucketochicken on Apr 10, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow, I went from having hope for the future and looking for 15-20 wins next year and 20 the year after....

To thinking that approaching 15 wins in the next couple of years should be considered an achievement.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Apr 10, 2010 10:42 AM CDT reply actions  

I said this in the first Fuller thread yesterday . . .

And I’ll say it again.

This looks to me like a full-blown, Kremlin-style housecleaning. And I, for one, don’t mind a bit. The rest of you can wail and gnash your teeth all you want off of losing these players from a 10-22 team who mailed in the last two weeks of the season. Not me. You guys can wail and gnash your teeth all you want about these recruits we’re losing who barely had any other big program offers. Not me.

And don’t mistake this for bashing those players – given the complete trainwreck they just went through, and having played for a coach who according to recent accounts was a distant, cold, control freak – I can understand why they want nothing to do with Iowa basketball. They probably have Sports Traumatic Sports Disorder.

But I really have a hard time thinking a guy with an Ivy league degree and experience with the Wharton School of economics – not to mention two-decades plus working in college basketball – didn’t know EXACTLY what he was doing when he decided to take the approach he did. For all we know, he’s a freaking genius by using his badmouthing Lick has a way to clear out players he didn’t want without making him look like the asshole new coach who comes in and yanks scholarships.

Until I see actual, on-court, during-season evidence of McCafferey’s ineptitude, I’m going to go ahead and assume he is pulling the strings he wants to.

by Torbee on Apr 10, 2010 10:45 AM CDT reply actions  

Nards!

I meant Sports Traumatic STRESS Disorder.

by Torbee on Apr 10, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

I’m not going to lose any sleep over the defection of players from a 22 loss team.

by salparadise23 on Apr 10, 2010 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Seriously. It’s togh to wash the stink of a 22 loss team out of CHA. I hope they stay but if not, so be it. Worse case scenario we go from unwatchable to still unwatchable.

by Herky505 on Apr 10, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Because when you're looking for examples of successful management...

…naturally, the first thing you think of is the Soviets.

I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks

by Adam Jacobi on Apr 10, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

In Soviet Russia....

car drives you!

/Yakoff Smirnoff’d

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Apr 10, 2010 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let's try that again.

In United States organized management is key to capturing success.
In Soviet Russia clandestine organization manages to successfully capture you!

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Apr 10, 2010 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Totally agree

But I will be in panic mode if this shit happens yet again next year

by HeartOfHawkness on Apr 11, 2010 6:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Kremlin Housecleaning:

Worked? Er…right.

The problem with that philosophy is that logic would tell you that the first man at the end of Andrei Lugovoi’s polonium rod would be Mr. Brennan Cougill. Unless, of course, Fuller and the recruits preferred to use the entire shot clock for every possession, excepting of course the 25 turnovers.

By the way, I couldn’t decide between Lugovoi, Felix Yusupov, or Jozef Gabcik. Thoughts?

And another touchdown for Rick Stanzi! Too bad the poor man's apparently colorblind!

by hkobb7 on Apr 11, 2010 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

NerdHawk?

You should transfer with him and be a fan of wherever Fuller ends up. He was soft and his go to move was to travel. Your favorite Hawkeye player is most likely Glen Worley if you think Fuller was that good. Sienna’s starting 5 would have all started at Iowa last year. You make it sound like Fuller was Ricky D or Kenyon Murray? Make sure you follow Aaron Fuller Mr. Nerdhawk. I expect you to buy his jersey and wear it to the season opener at Carver next year.

Am I disappointed all these players have left? YES. Do I think Fran can bring in better talent in the next 2 years? YES. Will they do better next year? Who knows. It will be a lot better to watch an up-tempo pressing team that has an identity. Last year’s offense was what you did in grade school, not the B10. If you think next year will be “unwatchable” compared to this years abortion you must have not watched our ass get handed to us by 30 pts in B10 play on regular basis.

Torbee-Thank you. I agree 100%.

by endo4weeks on Apr 10, 2010 10:47 AM CDT reply actions  

It's not fair to assume he likes Worley because he liked Fuller.

Fuller doesn’t look like a Weeble.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Apr 10, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fuller looked good...

because he was on Iowa’s team. At best, he starts on 1/3 of the other Big Ten squads. I don’t really like to see him go, and I don’t wish him any bad luck. And yes, next year could be a bit rough without him in the low post. However, he was on two Iowa teams, and in the season that he got more playing time, we won 5 less games than the year before. He might not be the “difference-maker” that many of us see him as, and that we were all hoping he would be.

But again, I wish him the best.

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Apr 10, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Guys....

it’s Saturday. Decaf!!!

I can see the Gadsden Purchase from my back yard.

by Mr. Grizz on Apr 10, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hey now!

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Apr 10, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

I've already had a full pot of coffee

and absolutely no food to balance it out. LET’S GO RUNNING! LET’S CLEAN THE HOUSE! LET’S DO SOME JUMPING JACKS!!! EEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Apr 10, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

NerdHawk?

What are you, 12? We can do this without juvenile insults, thanks.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Apr 10, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

No see it's hilarious because my screenname starts with an N too!

Also thinking our best player last year was not completely terrible means I am not a real fan! And apparently that I like Glen Worley for some reason? Which is crazy because my favorite Hawkeye of all time was totally Seth Gorney I mean, duh.

by NorseHawk on Apr 10, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

My favorite Hawkeye?

You guessed it, Antonio Ramos.

/Norm’d

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Apr 10, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

NERDHAWK LOL

Seriously, I will fucking shut this place down. Don’t be unfunny.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Apr 10, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Please don't shut it down.

I would have to actually work during the week, I can’t do that – seriously.

Adrian Clayborn is strong enough to pull the ears off a Gundar

by The Bacon Explosion on Apr 10, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Speaking of nerdhawks...

I’m pretty sure it’s “gundark.”


"Do a flip!" - Bender B. Rodriguez

by Bucketochicken on Apr 10, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1 to you sir

I stand corrected.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Gundark

Adrian Clayborn is strong enough to pull the ears off a Gundark

by The Bacon Explosion on Apr 10, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I owned this set


and in my mind, I was so fucking rad. Unfortunately, my mother still picked out my clothes for me at that point, so the radness was somewhat tempered.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Apr 10, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Star Wars toys

Were really limited by the action figures completely stiff and unbending arms legs. That’s what gave G.I. Joe, with their bending elbows/knees and later swivel wrists, such a decided tactical advantage.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Apr 10, 2010 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

And why they broke into a million pieces, thus, decreasing their collectability

However, if you remember a previous thread, it didn’t keep me from biting the heads off of my Star Wars figures.

KYLE HUN\GRY!

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Apr 10, 2010 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Give me your lunch money!

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Apr 10, 2010 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is the wrong place to be if you want to pick fights.

If you’re going to disagree with someone, either be funny or be mature. Otherwise, there are some more heavily-trafficked Iowa sites that would suit you better.

I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks

by Adam Jacobi on Apr 10, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Has anyone considered the possibility

of the “successful meeting” between MC, Fran and the Fullers was the decision it would be best for Fuller to leave? Fran seems to have a good grasp on his style of play as evidenced by him being successful at several places. Maybe Fuller wasn’t going to excel in his system and is going to do better somewhere else.

Fuller was our best player last year and will be missed but maybe this is a long term good thing.

Some smell shit, I get just a hint of roses.

Adrian Clayborn is strong enough to pull the ears off a Gundar

by The Bacon Explosion on Apr 10, 2010 12:44 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm wondering something just like that...

Maybe Fran talked with these guys and said something like, “this is what will be expected of you, if you don’t think you can go through with that, I’ll honor your transfer/decommit request.”

All these defections have come after player meetings. He was allowed to talk with recruits as of Thursday.

This is an odd situation, to be sure. But who knows?

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

by Blackheartnopants on Apr 10, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is it possible

that Margaret McCaffery made all the new players her “famous” apple dessert and it turned out to be nowhere near as good as Joez Lickliter’s double-fudge brownies and the players were like “fuck this, we’re out.”?

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Apr 10, 2010 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or it's possible that the recruits were just giving him the respect of hearing him out

and then weren’t impressed by what they heard. Either way, we won’t ever really know. I suppose one good indication will be how much difficulty Fran has filling the open schollys.

I’ve got no ill will for these kids. If they think they’ve got offers to go somewhere that will be a better situation for them, I hope things go well for them.

by MikeyJoe18 on Apr 10, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

That sounds nice and plausible

But it presupposes that the guys were gone until convinced otherwise, and I’m not so sure about that.

We’ll see. Either the story’ll come out or it won’t.

I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks

by Adam Jacobi on Apr 10, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure I follow

Is the theory you’re proposing then that A) Fran wanted to retain the players but B) did such a damn terrible job that they were turned off and decided to leave?

Meh. I think the most plausible thing I’ve read in the last few days is simply that these guys were recruited by Walthall, and he’s been notified recently that he won’t be retained.

by MikeyJoe18 on Apr 10, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

A) yes, B) don't be a shitheel.

The players probably didn’t know whether they wanted to stick around or not. What they probably didn’t want to hear was their old coach getting trashed. I don’t know what your marital situation is, but if you do have a significant other, you probably didn’t land her by talking mad shit about her last boyfriend, you dig?

I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks

by Adam Jacobi on Apr 10, 2010 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right - but then follow that thought through

What you’re saying is that McCaffery walked into these kids houses and said “Hey kids – every reason you wanted to come to Iowa is out the window. We’re doing it 100% different.” There’s only two possible conclusions you can draw from that.

1) McCaffery wanted these kids to come to Iowa and thought that telling them this would make them stay.

2) He apparently didn’t want them to come.

Now I’m now saying that #2 is true, but if #1 is true then McCaffery is a total fucking moron and we’re pretty much screwed.

And shitheel – lol. I don’t know why you’re getting so worked up about this.

by MikeyJoe18 on Apr 10, 2010 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

And maybe I'm not expressing myselof clearly

because on the main point I agree with you 100% – if McCaffery wanted to retain these players and the story as relayed is true, then that was just about the absolute worst possible thing he could have said to them.

by MikeyJoe18 on Apr 10, 2010 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Shitheel

I, sir, have never heard that before. I am impressed.

And another touchdown for Rick Stanzi! Too bad the poor man's apparently colorblind!

by hkobb7 on Apr 11, 2010 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

When the hell...

Did Roy Marble Jr. become Devyn Marble? I’m having bullwinkle flashbacks now

by burglinturds on Apr 10, 2010 2:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah

He wanted to be his own man and try to lessen the association with his dad a little. Which is understandable for a lot of reasons.

by NorseHawk on Apr 10, 2010 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

He also

patterns his game off of Devan Bawinkle.

by Angle's Dangle on Apr 12, 2010 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

All of this

Just makes me want it to be September right now. Enough nancyball.

by benvious on Apr 10, 2010 3:00 PM CDT reply actions  

My take

and I have been out of comunication range so this might be restating some views…

is if ANY of these guys end up at mid-majors or “lesser” schools, then this was never about them achieving at that highest level and playing big time basketball. It is about these guy’s interests. And they are entitled to protect their interests and do what they feel will make them happiest. But if they go to lesser schools then they just wanted attention and not competition. So see ya. If they Tyler Smith and go to a better program, that is when you look at Fran and say “Fran!” but I don’t see that happening with any of them. Larson might surprise and go to Kansas State or something, but Ben Brust had a broken back, he was damaged goods and Iowa was the only big time program that offered to him I think I read. Fuller seemed to just be tired. Lick treated him like shit in my opinion and maybe Fran told him he would have to compete and he said, fuck that. So I can live with him going to Northern Arizona or wherever. Maybe I’m wrong but the bigger issue at play here is…

I noticed that Fran had no scholarships to offer, really, for two years. I was wondering how he felt about that. He was going to have to make this thing go with Lick’s dudes. Which he probably wasn’t thrilled with…Unless I am mistaken, there was the Tucker scholly and then after next year there was the Cole scholly. That is all he had to play with. Pretty hard to get YOUR program going with HIS guys. I was never Lady Gaga over this incoming class to begin with. It was not that highly regarded, outside of Coleman. But that was based mainly on the lack of recruiting competition for them. I just was concerned that few elite teams even looked at these guys. That doesn’t mean they are not great players waiting to happen, just not sure deals.

As for Fran trashing Lickliter…I have zero problem with that. The guy is very confident. He is his own man and frankly, he made it clear in his news conference that he was essentially offended at the thought of Lickliter and him in a side-by-side comparison. And let’s face it, Lickliter was a total disaster. So what is he supposed to say to Fuller and his dad? He was hired to be a different guy.

I would not be surprised to find him getting a nice four player class next year…Tucker, Brust, Larson and Fuller schollys to play with now, and maybe there is another player out there yet. I would also bet he isn’t losing sleep on these losses. It is easier to change culture with fewer guys and there can now be a survior’s mentality on the team.

"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.

by StoopsMyAss on Apr 10, 2010 8:47 PM CDT reply actions  

HOLY SHIT! GUYS, SMA ISN'T DEAD!!!

Although I’m a little suspicious that it really is SMA, what with a “Lady Gaga” reference and dropping not one, but two, “schollys”.

Honestly, good to have you back; we’ve missed your unique/informed takes. I, too, was wondering about the scholarships-to-offer angle. To me it says he’s not willing to sit around and accept a few years of mediocrity before getting “his guys”. He’ll eat shit for one year in order to be running at full-throttle the next. The guy’s a fighter and I like that.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Apr 10, 2010 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

If it's a matter of needing scholarships for players,

wouldn’t it be possible for a coach to pull a scholarship? Obviously it’d be a giant dick move, but if a coach cared so much about getting “his players” isn’t he within his rights to pull scholarships? I can’t imagine a coach ever doing it, and am not even sure if it’s allowed. Just throwing that out there.

by The Mexican't on Apr 10, 2010 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, that's allowed and yes, it happens.

That’s how we got Bullwinkle.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Apr 10, 2010 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Moose and Squirrel, please.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Apr 11, 2010 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think that's kind of a "nuclear" option

Sure, he could do, but the resulting fallout – from the perspective of reputation, institutional blackeye, recruiting recriminations (other coaches pointing to it) – would be worse than any possible gains.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Apr 10, 2010 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's probably better to have a meeting with the player and chase them off

Which may be exactly what he just did. If this is part of the Flan then it’s kind of smart considering the scholarship limitations.

by PackerHawk on Apr 11, 2010 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm betting Fran was doing a fidelity test with the players...to some degree

he doesn’t want the inmates running the asylum, so while I am sure he was recruting them to stay on board he was also making it clear he demands certain kinds of behavior and painted a vivid expecations. The first being, in all liklihood, that he thinks the guys need to be in much, much better shape. The second being that players who thrive in his system will get the time on the court…meaning time served has no value.

I am a little torn on these defections. The recruits don’t bother me so much. They are pure speculation. I would hope Fran can go out next year and get another Ben Brust and even a Larson…but in the image of what he wants. The Tucker scholly he might use right away…who knows. The Fuller loss is harder to swollow because I can’t imagine how Fuller would not have thrived. But the more I read and think about Fuller the more I sense he was disillusioned. I would like for him to keep Marble in the fold…

"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.

by StoopsMyAss on Apr 11, 2010 7:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

The bottom line is this...

We are better off if the players that stay have good attitudes than have kids here that really don’t want to be here, and I’m willing to be he made that very clear in the player meetings – that everyone was on the same playing field and there would be no guarantees for anyone next year in terms of PT. Fresh start. And its also possible that your assertion that these recruits may not have been all that great to begin with outside the Rules of The Coleman Universe likely has some merit.

Taking the lemonade rather than lemons approach, even if we get a worst case of 3 or 4 players transferring/being released total, it gives him schollys to work with to get the guys he wants a lot sooner. This guy has turned around 3 programs with meager resources… its a tougher row to hoe here because this is a much bigger challenge than the previous rebuilds… even though he has more resources the Big 10 is, well, the Big 10. I think he wants to get the awkward phase of rebuilding out of the way as quickly as possible, and if that means some kids ejecting, so be it.

My blog: http://www.gretainthebox.com

by Leftcoast Hawk on Apr 11, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Shouldn't that be


FRHAAAAAAAAN!!!!

It never gets to be easy

by chitownhawkeye on Apr 11, 2010 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Has anyone else heard that Fuller is considering going to the state of New Mexico?

Or is someone yanking my crank?

Who's leg do I have to hump to get a drink around here?-Brian

by fliphawk4 on Apr 11, 2010 9:26 AM CDT reply actions  

He wants to be an Aggie...

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Apr 11, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

On purpose?

Who's leg do I have to hump to get a drink around here?-Brian

by fliphawk4 on Apr 11, 2010 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

It is closer to home for him

And I’m sure [redacted] would take him. He would make a decent addition to a lot of teams, maybe not as a starter immediately. He does have a year to sit on the bench and learn a new system/style (unless I’m incorrect and he can’t even practice with the new team or if he applies for a waiver).

by PackerHawk on Apr 11, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

ISU Fan here

Welcome to my nightmare.

by BryceC on Apr 12, 2010 11:08 AM CDT reply actions  

Whoa!

McCaffery’s been spotted partying with 18 year olds and employs shady recruiting tactics? Please don’t tell me he has a job at the cable company lined up after this…

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Apr 12, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

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