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Siena Coach Fran McCaffery to be Named Iowa Head Basketball Coach Monday

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Per Dochterman, Siena head coach Fran McCaffery has accepted an offer to become the newest head basketball coach at the University of Iowa.  McCaffery has 13 years of head coaching experience at Lehigh, UNC-Greensboro, and Siena, and is coming off his fourth consecutive 20-win season and third consecutive NCAA appearance.  Siena played uptempo (KenPom top 40 tempo rating year after year).  As we thought, Iowa/Big Ten ties had absolutely nothing to do with this decision; aside from a three-year stint as an assistant at Notre Dame, McCaffery has no midwestern experience.  Not a huge selection, though he was allegedly targeted by Seton Hall and St. John's.

We'll have a more thorough analysis of McCaffery, his previous teams, his recruiting prowess, etc. this afternoon.

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Personally I'm excited

to see what new lows our basketball program can reach.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Mar 28, 2010 11:15 AM CDT reply actions  

I think

we have nowhere to go but up.

by salparadise23 on Mar 28, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

agreed

people might scratch their heads on this one, but at a distance this looks like a decent hire, Siena has done pretty well the last couple of years, and they play a completly different style then what we have seen the last three years, which is nice.

Tigers love pepper... they hate cinnamon.

by White Lightning on Mar 28, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was just being a smartass,

he’s a good hire and I think transfers should be stopped in their tracks when the kids see they’ve got a coach with a little passion.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Mar 28, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

And his style...personal and basketball

is a breath of fresh air. He exudes confidence. You’ll see at the press conference. He just looks and sounds like a winner. And he has built TWO programs…he’ll hit the ground sprinting.

Wait till you read what other coaches in the Big Ten say about this hire. They will call it a great hire.

"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.

by StoopsMyAss on Mar 28, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes

The more I read up on him, the more I like the hire.

by salparadise23 on Mar 28, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

McCaffery is the first coach to take three different programs from traditional one-bid leagues to the NCAA tournament.

"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.

by StoopsMyAss on Mar 28, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Do you have some insight?

(not counting Cougill’s mom)

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Mar 28, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

The answer:

Get big men who don’t train by doing arm curls with boxes of Krispy Kreams.

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Mar 28, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

56...57...58...59...

Who's leg do I have to hump to get a drink around here?-Brian

by fliphawk4 on Mar 28, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

My response was to the comment that we have nowhere to go but up

While I think this is a good hire, we certainly haven’t hit rock bottom with the program. We may not go down from here, but there’s still room to go down if this doesn’t work.

by benvious on Mar 28, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I for one

am completely underwhelmed by this pick. A bland, moderately successful mid-major success story. Oh yeah – we just fired that. Blah.

by IndianaLion on Mar 28, 2010 11:25 AM CDT reply actions  

Sorry that Bruce Pearl couldn't be bothered to leave his Elite 8 team for you.

Spoiled fans are the fucking worst.

I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks

by Adam Jacobi on Mar 28, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Honestly, who are we?

Even when Iowa was “good” we were never that good. McCaffery is still relatively young in coaching terms and it looks like he’s done enough hopping around to finally be content. I’m curious to see how his press conference goes to get a little better feel for him. The last Big Ten coach with Philly roots (Bo) seems to be doing alright.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Mar 28, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Iowa has never done well with midwest roots basketball coaches...ever.

"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.

by StoopsMyAss on Mar 28, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Clearly you're forgetting

Johnny Orr. Remember how success…oh, wait…

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Mar 28, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry

I didn’t mean to come across as spoiled, and have probably too many good memories of Iowa getting coaches with top level experience (Dr. Tom, Raveling, and even Hayden). I was just hoping against hope that some hot name out there would see the potential in re-building the program at Iowa. Delusional? Yeah. I was just hoping for a bigger “wow” factor. I’m ready to give him a chance. It’s a great opportunity at the top level for him. I just need to remember that for every failed move from mid-major to top level (Lick, Monson, [redacted], etc) there are success stories too (Pearl, Matta, Romar,etc).

by IndianaLion on Mar 28, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Literally the only thing he has in common with Lick is that they both came from a mid-major school

Lickliter didn’t build Butler up in the same what that McCaffery built Siena. They had already developed into a mid-major power under Matta, and Lick continued that. They’re also very very different in their style of play and the types of guys they recruit. This idea that all mid-major coaches are created equally and that because one was a bust all of them will be is ridiculous.

This is not an especially attractive job right now. We couldn’t even get the coach from WICHITA STATE to interview. If you’re disappointed because we didn’t get a huge name you have no one to blame but yourself.

by NorseHawk on Mar 28, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Matta didn't build up Butler either

He was only head coach for one year. Maybe that was the trick, he wasn’t there long enough for the “Butler curse” to build up like it did for Collier and Lickliter.

by Brock Sampson on Mar 28, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whoops, meant to say "Collier and Mata" and totally spaced out

Also I’m not sure losing at Nebraska is a sign of a curse as much as it’s a sign of being a basketball coach at Nebraska.

by NorseHawk on Mar 28, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

In Collier's case the curse manifested itself

by striking him temporarily dumb enough to accept the job.

by Brock Sampson on Mar 28, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

You guys can have Fran...

I’ll take Mrs. McCafffery.

Giggity.

…and another link.

I saw a story where SHE got tossed from the game. I smell a fan club brewing.

by mattbednar on Mar 28, 2010 11:26 AM CDT reply actions  

Waaay better than this:

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Mar 28, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

sweet

Tigers love pepper... they hate cinnamon.

by White Lightning on Mar 28, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

A Reason to go to Iowa Basketball Games

especially if we keep up the great tradition of not winning more than the football team, you get to see her go batshit crazy. I think we need a shirt for her!

"Somebody change JoePa's colostomy bag!"

by JPHawk on Mar 28, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

I am surprised people are not excited by this hire.

He was Providence’s preferred coach, then they settled on Keno. He won at NC Greenboro, which is the fucking hinterlands of college basketball. Winner there is like winning in football at New Mexico State. He is so fucking competitive it is stunning. He and his wife were thrown out of a game for yelling at some abysmal refereeing a few years back, and many believe it cost him some great jobs at the time. In NYC they supported him…but, that’s NYC for you.

He was a superstar player, his final ranking of the year in the coaches poll he listed Butler and UNI in the Top 8 and got shit for it. Well…

He is an intellectual who graudates his players. His teams are way, way fun to watch. Tall guys like to play for him. Because of his playing background he has credibility.

I can assure you these players will LOVE playing for the guy.

"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.

by StoopsMyAss on Mar 28, 2010 11:35 AM CDT reply actions  

"He won at NC Greenboro, which is the fucking hinterlands of college basketball. Winner there is like winning in football at New Mexico State."

You’ll be disappointed that this is the only sentence of yours I could quibble with. North Carolina is the 1B to Indiana’s 1A in terms of basketball obsession as a culture. New Mexico is a backwater for everything but Native American crafts.

Everything else? Yes, very good hire. Curious to see what they’re paying him.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Mar 28, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

NC Greensboro...

not the state. He was recruting against 15 teams that had better programs, better campuses, better histories, better looking girls, and still won. The guy since is averaging 6 wins a season the past two years. And they will not even think about firing him. It is God awful at that program.

This guy is a uniqu combination. He is a street fighter with an Ivy League education. You are going to fucking love this guy’s personality. I expect him to win.

"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.

by StoopsMyAss on Mar 28, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Being on the East Coast . . .

I completely agree with SMA. This guy is a great hire considering all the turmoil of the program. Non-Iowans see this guy as someone whose won everywhere he’s been, and at programs with fewer resources than Iowa. An uptempo style of basketball? 4 straight 20 win seasons in Albany, NY? 3 straight NCAA’s? Taking 3 different non-traditional bball powers to the NCAA? A guy St. John’s & Seton Hall were starting to show enormous interest in? How can Iowans not be excited about this guy?!? Yes, you always have to wait and see cuz the proof is in the pudding. But we got a guy that other schools want, and if he has a good press conference and keeps all the current recruits, there’s no reason not to rally around this guy and welcome him with open arms. Y’know, it’s up to fans to put the excitement back into Iowa basketball too.

by stewartom on Mar 28, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

"An uptempo style of basketball?"

I like this the best. I fell asleep during way too many games the last 3 years.

by salparadise23 on Mar 28, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

"New Mexico is a backwater for everything but Native American crafs."

Great line. Although Coach [REDACTED] would like a word with you since the state does have a “basketball school”.

Hawkeye fan, born and bred. And when I die, a Hawkeye dead.

by bpriebe on Mar 28, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because of this comment

I am now onboard.

Thanks

I have not celebrated a pro championship in my life.

by Wad on Mar 29, 2010 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Correction: He was at Notre Dame for 11 seasons

It is before noon on Sunday. I’m not yet functioning. Apologies.

Short list in a couple of hours.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Mar 28, 2010 11:47 AM CDT reply actions  

I don't really think we could have done better

And at least the program won’t be any worse under McCaffery (how is that possible?). I think there are two best case scenarios 1)He is very successful on his own and becomes the savior of Hawkeye basketball 2)He is just good enough to get us out of the dregs and allow us to not be a laughingstock in our next coaching search. Either way we win…eventually.

by Hawkeyes on Mar 28, 2010 11:50 AM CDT reply actions  

I am open minded

But I was hoping maybe we’d break out of the hot mid-major coach trend and maybe go for an assistant at a major program with a lot of experience recruiting big time players. But just because we didn’t get one of those doesn’t mean McCaffery can’t do that. Time will tell. Looking forward to learning more about him.

by museum on Mar 28, 2010 12:02 PM CDT reply actions  

I appreciate that

At least you’re being fair and open minded. None of us know how this will work out, and maybe you’re right that an assistant at a top-flight school w/recruiting experience is the way to go. But I think we all owe this guy a shot and to try to build some enthusiasm for the program. Players like Gatens and Fuller deserve it, and this guy has as good a resume as we can possibly ask for. I just can’t stand folks who are immediately negative.

by stewartom on Mar 28, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

They’re jumping off ledges in the DMR forums.

by salparadise23 on Mar 28, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would have hired Dean Smith, myself.

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Mar 28, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would listen to Bruce Weber read the phone book

before suffering through Dean’s nasally, pinched voice.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Mar 28, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can handle an irritating voice...

if it gets my team two national titles and a final four every 3 or 4 years.

Dean Smith was the man, even if the two national titles was actually underachieving considering the talent on his teams from about 1980 on.

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Mar 28, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm just making fun of his voice.

You would be an idiot to think Weber is a better coach.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Mar 28, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep.

I don’t think Bruce Weber is better. I was just trying to humorously say that I don’t really care about an athlete/coach’s vocal tone, as long as he isn’t singing. (I’m looking at you, Carl Lewis).

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Mar 28, 2010 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

There is a reverse stereotype playing out here

you know the New Yorker cover where it is very detailed about NYC then just pans over the midwest and then shows the pacific ocean. This one:

Well, a lot of Hawkeye fans are acting all upset because this guy is a Philly/NY guy. Well, he was at ND for over a decade. He’ll fit right in and he has a better resume, if you looked at it blindly, than anyone Barta could have hired in reality.

"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.

by StoopsMyAss on Mar 28, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Philly/New York guy might be a blessing...

An infusion of new blood might be EXACTLY what this program needs. There is alot of talent in Philly/New York and being a golden domer, he might have chicago ties. If you get even ONE stud it could easily get this program going in the right direction.

Who's leg do I have to hump to get a drink around here?-Brian

by fliphawk4 on Mar 28, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

He was the lead assistant and recrutier at ND under Phelps

so he qualifies that way too.

"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.

by StoopsMyAss on Mar 28, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Digger as a mentor

Is the only thing I DON’T like about this. He’s won well enough elsewhere.

Honey, I think we should name our baby boy Pencilman. Yes, Pencilman Furious Lipschitz. Kinda just rolls off the tongue. Whaddaya think?

by Mr. Grizz on Mar 28, 2010 1:06 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Just think about the lavender highlighter

that would go with the tie in the picture above.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Mar 28, 2010 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

Digger is kind of a douche. I can’t remember what he was actually like as a coach, but everything after has been either OK, or bad, or severely infuriating.

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Mar 28, 2010 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

But he is completely responsible

for Jamie Moyer’s late-career Renaissance.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Mar 28, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know a lot of fans wanted a midwest BIg Ten guy

but Iowa has not done well with those guys. See Raveling, Olsen, Davis for best recruiting and winning records at Iowa.

"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.

by StoopsMyAss on Mar 28, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know you are right and look at Wisconsin

But I would have liked to have seen Forbes get his shot here. I hope this works.

I would like to be facebook friends with Terry Strauss

by spudhawk on Mar 28, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was NOT enthused

about the “hire an Izzo assistant” train of thought. I like that he’s not only succeeded at different schools, but in different regions. That can only help recruiting.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Mar 28, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good to know about the ND recruiting

Personally I don’t care if he’s from the Midwest or not, I just want someone who can do the job. And it just seems like hiring the guy who did well at a small school in the NCAA Tournament is such a crapshoot. But I guess you could say anyone you hire anyone outside the top 20 or so coaches it’s going to be a crapshoot. I don’t know. Maybe I did secretly want Phil Jackson.

by museum on Mar 28, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Before hired by Chicago

Phil Jackson was coaching the Albany Patroons in the CBA. Sienna is 5 miles from Albany. Your wish is kind of granted.

"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.

by StoopsMyAss on Mar 28, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also...

if he can recruit at all to places like Lehigh and Siena, then what can he do with Iowa’s resources? I am hopeful that he can recruit well (maybe not top 20 classes every year, but a smattering of 3-star dudes most years) here at Iowa.

And, if you are objective, Lick’s recruiting the last two years has not been a problem. It was keeping the guys around.

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Mar 28, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

You know what, though?

Had you landed a top assistant coach, the idiot message board contingent (it doesn’t matter what school you’re talking about, we’ve all got ‘em) would be up in arms that Iowa didn’t land a guy with HC experience. Can’t win with some people.

I think it’s a solid hire, for whatever that’s worth (not much).

by PeteJayhawk on Mar 28, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep.

The only way to make everyone happy would be to hire somebody who has won a national title within the last 10 or 15 years, and that same coach could not have had much drop-off in winning seasons. Also, perfect morals would have been required (so Pitino is out).

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Mar 28, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well...

We have to be happy that, despite the way the Lick experiment went, we still got a coach that many people actually know about. That says that Iowa is not yet a basketball dead-end.

On the other hand, that also means that the McCaffery hire has to work out (barring some serious scandal). It will have to be given more than 3 years, even if we are only .500 after those three years.

I haven’t really watched McCaffery coach. I do remember him upsetting Ohio State a year or two ago, so I should absolutely love the guy (because I hate OSU). Let’s hope his style can keep our current players and recruits motivated and on board, and bring in some good kids in the future.

One thing that does concern me (and maybe it shouldn’t) is that Fran has led some small programs to the Big Dance, but he usually has done it within a couple years of other coaches doing it before him. Check this out:

McCaffery at Siena: NCAA appearances in 08, 09, 2010. The last two Siena coaches (Rob Lanier and Paul Hewitt) each led Siena to a Big Dance. So, is it purely his work, or was it a decent program?

McCaffery at UNC-Greensboro: NCAA appearance in 01. Randy Peele (the coach before him there) took them in 96.

McCaffery at Lehigh: NCAA appearance in 88. Tom Schnieder (the coach right before him) did it in 85.

Now, it is possible that Fran did it better than those other guys, and that he can fine-tune something or fix something and keep it at a good level. And I don’t want to whine about a good coach who can rebuild quickly. However, is he so smart, that he keeps stepping into good situations and does just enough to keep them about where they should be or a little better? Maybe.

But, he is a bit of a name for a small school, and I guess we should be pretty happy that somebody with cache actually wants to coach at Carver.

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Mar 28, 2010 12:18 PM CDT reply actions  

All good points

look at how those schools have done since he left. But great points. And the fact he did it three times at three different schools means he is not a fraud, to me anyway.

"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.

by StoopsMyAss on Mar 28, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

Like you, I am really hoping that means he is not a fraud.

Also, unlike the other two Siena coaches I mentioned, Fran actually won some games in the Big Dance there.

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Mar 28, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

The reason he wasn't hired in the last three years to a Big Time program is

because there were concerns after that episode with his wife and him being thrown out of a game together. That incident was wierd but blown out of proportion. We kind of stole this guy. In three years when he has this program humming we’ll look back and wonder how we got him. KF came from Maine…but the rest of resume was rock solid. Same thing here.

"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.

by StoopsMyAss on Mar 28, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I actually think...

that coaches getting tossed once in awhile is kind of charming. I like Bobby Knight because he can make me laugh.

On the other hand, Mrs. McCaffery will need to tone it down a bit. She can boo the refs just like the rest of us, but she can’t swear at them in close proximity in Carver. I mean, in that echo-chamber, everyone will hear it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/09/sports/ncaabasketball/09maac.html

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Mar 28, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

She's not like Kurt Warner's wife calling talk shows and just being a whiny brat.

She was a hell of a college player and a long-time assistant coach for Notre Dame’s women. I cannot criticize her passion one bit; it’s why most former coaches sign up for media jobs so they don’t have to be put in the position of having a rooting interest.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Mar 28, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with you KM

And a little extra “spark” from the cheap seats once in awhile is not always a bad thing.

Who's leg do I have to hump to get a drink around here?-Brian

by fliphawk4 on Mar 28, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

So far, it looks pretty positive to me

Despite some of the whining that I’ve seen on other boards (what’s really a scream are the comments on what I think is the Albany newspaper… the fans that are bitching are saying many of the same THINGS that I’ve seen our fans piss and moan about for months – AJ/OPS comments about spoiled fans are so on), this guy has won at places with meager resources (now I’ll temper that by noting that often a meager school is in a league that those of us from the Big 10 Would Not Consider Big Time Or Difficult To Win In), he’s been through the rebuilding process and he’s likely had to deal with apathetic fanbases.

One of the realities I think Iowa basketball fans don’t deal well with is this fixation on the part of many fans that we “need a Midwestern guy” at Iowa – not just in basketball, but any sport. There might be some truth to that in wrestling – because a lot of the wrestling universe has revolved around the interior of the US – but in just about everything else its complete bullshit.

Basketball wasn’t really invented by Dr. Naismith, but I think its safe to say that its almost entirely an East Coast sport in the US from a cultural standpoint – historically. Yes, Wooden won at UCLA, and you’ve got buttloads of tradition at Kansas, there’s Gonzaga, Indiana, Purdue, but I really have to scratch my own head to think of many “hot” basketball schools west of the Mississippi River. If you want to win at basketball in Iowa, you’re going to have to reach East to get a good coach, or at least when you throw the dice … yeah, Dr. Tom was from the Midwest, but, he cut his teeth out East.

We don’t have basketball tradition in Iowa, not like what you see in the East Coast major metros, or down in the Carolinas. We have some of the best totally insanely supportive fans on the planet, though, and with no big-time pro teams, there is absolutely no reason we shouldn’t kick ass halfway to the edge of the universe in the major sports as long as we have decent facilities, competitive salaries and good coaches.

The facilities are finally coming in basketball. The football upgrades are coming.

We’ve had three shitty years and years of inflated expectations and disappointments before that… tossing the dice for what looked to be an upgrade, that didn’t work out… and we ended up with a transitional coach that had never built his own program.

And the situation is not nearly as shitty as some may think. TL didn’t work, but… we don’t have the NCAA breathing down our neck, assuming the players stick around, FM has a decent core to work with, they’ll probably be thrilled to be playing uptempo, and he’s got a wife that’s going to torment Ed Hightower. Just for the final point alone, its totally worth it.

I think what jacks me the most about this coach is that he’s built programs, and took ‘em to the Dance, he’s young enough to pull it off again but old enough that if he succeeds here, he’ll retire here – with his wife being a decade+ younger and four young kids, Iowa City is really a perfect place for him to be.

I like the idea of a Philly guy running our program, especially one that went to an Ivy, graduates his players, and at least – at first glance – runs a clean program.

My blog: http://www.gretainthebox.com

by Leftcoast Hawk on Mar 28, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

New Coach vs Old Coach same stuff. (Fail on cutting and pasting) you will get hint

His team stats are identical expect ppg….
                                    
Fran McCaffery Todd Lickliter

Career Summary
NCAA Tourneys 4 2
NCAA Tourney Champions 0 0
Final Fours 0 0
Conf Tourney Champions 3 0
Draft Picks 0 0
Career Record
Overall Record 250-176 (0.587) 169-119 (0.587)
Conference Record 126-76 (0.624) 85-76 (0.528)
NCAA Tourney Record 2-4 (0.333) 4-2 (0.667)
Close Record 64-62 (0.508) 45-43 (0.511)
Blowout Record 48-26 (0.649) 45-11 (0.804)
Overtime Record 15-9 (0.625) 15-12 (0.556)
Career Team Stats
Field Goal Pct 0.453 0.445
Free Throw Pct 0.719 0.720
3-pt Field Goal Pct 0.355 0.369
Points per game 73.9 64.7
Rebounds per game 35.0 29.0
Assists per game 14.0 12.5
Turnovers per game 14.9 10.9
Fouls per game 17.3 17.3

by schawkeye on Mar 28, 2010 12:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Except McCaffery

has had to start over several times. Lickliter enjoyed far more continuity.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Mar 28, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

also Lickliter's teams crawl up and down the court

and McCaffery’s team fly. So all things being equal, and I don’t think they are, FM is more fun in getting there.

"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.

by StoopsMyAss on Mar 28, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also...

Fran has made 5 NCAA tourneys.

But I will admit, for being at all small schools, I would like to see Fran’s career winning percentage be better than .587.

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by WaterlooChazz on Mar 28, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

He took over programs that had single digit wins the previous year

Lickliter took over for Thad Matta who won over 20 games.

"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.

by StoopsMyAss on Mar 28, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

It’s like criticizing Ferentz for his first few seasons but repeating that cycle three times.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Mar 28, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it takes time to build a program...

But, he has won 20 games 6 times in 14 years. If you are a good coach, that is good. If you are an excellent coach, that is just alright.

At this point, I am picking nits. Let’s all hope he can get Iowa back to .500 next year, and who-knows-what (NCAA?) in 2011-2012.

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by WaterlooChazz on Mar 28, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Remind me how long it has been

since we’ve had an excellent coach. For all my Davis/Raveling love, it was Lute. That’s a long time, let’s not get carried away.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Mar 28, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Davis...

was somewhere between good and excellent. He just kept running into excellent teams or programs in the second round (or the third round a time or two). Here are who he lost to:

UConn 1999
Kentucky 1997
Arizona 1996
Wake Forest 1993
Duke 1991 and 1992
NC State 1989
Arizona 1988
UNLV 1987

It is as if the selection committe began each seeding process with this question: “Who will we sacrifice Tom Davis and Iowa to this year in round 2?”

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

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by WaterlooChazz on Mar 28, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

You run into those teams

when you are consistently a 7, 8, 9 or 10 seed. Keep in mind, I loved Dr. Tom, but let’s not allow history to be rewritten simply because we’ve fallen so far.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Mar 28, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly...

Dr. Tom was a great coach for Iowa and he did what was expected of him get Iowa into tourney.

by schawkeye on Mar 28, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Has anyone considered...

that Tom Davis still had some success at Iowa despite the fact that the college basketball landscape was changing? He was at Iowa as the Big Ten became the Thug-it-up conference. He was at Iowa as mid-majors and teams in the southeast actually started caring and getting competitive.

If you want to fault Davis for not scheduling tougher, that is fine. But I do believe he was a good-to-excellent coach who had a lot of breaks go the other way. And he did it in a state that, at the time, barely had enough talent for one good D1 program, while competing against one other feisty D1 program (ISU) and two small in-state programs.

No, he was not on Coach K’s level. But I miss him, and I loved Iowa basketball while he was around.

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by WaterlooChazz on Mar 28, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I loved Dr. Tom.

I was in the student section for his final game ever leading the “Fire Bowlsby!” chant. But for all the positives in Davis’ favor, I think the only reason someone would refer to him as “great” is because of how bad things have gotten. Does a great coach have the number of future pros Davis did (those early teams were stacked) and not even sniff a conference title? Yeah, the Big Ten is tough, really tough. And that’s why only the great coaches come out on top. I’m not even sure I would categorize Lou Henson has “great”, and he had trips to the Elite 8 and Final Four.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Mar 28, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fry's winning percentages weren't that great either

He rebuilt two places that were in the outhouse.

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by Leftcoast Hawk on Mar 28, 2010 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fascinating

however McCaffery created his teams. Lickliter inherited his.

"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.

by StoopsMyAss on Mar 28, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

jinx!

"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.

by StoopsMyAss on Mar 28, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Got ya first,

no tag-backs!

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Mar 28, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think Argulor ever paid up on that OTHER crack rock.

Fuckin’ welchers.

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by RossWB on Mar 28, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Was totally waiting

for you two to show up with that!

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Mar 28, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

WITNESS!

Who's leg do I have to hump to get a drink around here?-Brian

by fliphawk4 on Mar 28, 2010 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not sure what all those team stats meant other than

This guy wears glasses, appears to have some brains, isn’t very energetic with the press, However, for those that needed your teams to score more he does do that.

His wife is hotter and way more vocal…

by schawkeye on Mar 28, 2010 12:35 PM CDT reply actions  

I want the over

to happen.

"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.

by StoopsMyAss on Mar 28, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Iowa fans are notorious boo-birds/ref-riders.

They’ll love her (if the team is winning).

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Mar 28, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I bet he and she don't get tossed in year 1.

After that, I bet he could be tossed once every other year. And regarding her, it will probably depend on whether or not she is using her anti-anxiety medication appropriately.

(Yes that was a joke regarding her.)

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Mar 28, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Iowa fans would have been far more patient with Lick

if he had a lick (hey, fun!) of personality. McCaffery should be able to do his job without alienating the fanbase.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Mar 28, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

my big question is

Are they going to move the student section? It is in a horrible place now. I know the athletic director wants more $ from the alums for the good seats but we need to move the student section to get them involved.

by somerandom on Mar 28, 2010 12:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Our students are over-rated.

They have been pretty good about football the past few years (Shonn Greene-out day was funny). But, it is a bit depressing to be halfway through the first quarter of a football game and look up and see about 5 rows of the student section empty.

In basketball, our students have rarely been very involved, from what I have seen. But, I guess it is more difficult to get absolutely tanked and not slip and fall on ice as you stammer across the river ped-bridge to get to Carver. Maybe we should just put some kegs near mid-court and tell our students to “get rowdy.”

Sorry, end rant.

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Mar 28, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

over rated students in cheap good seats

are better than old $ staying home and having the good seats empty

by somerandom on Mar 28, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fair enough.

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Mar 28, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

But, it is a bit depressing to be halfway through the first quarter of a football game and look up and see about 5 rows

Welcome to college sports, friendo. I’ve seen this at PSU, Wisconsin, Michigan, and several other schools just off the top of my head.

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by ReadingRambler on Mar 28, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Might as well do it now this hire won't be bringing them in...

Not bashing on the guy just saying no one outside of Philly/east coast knows/remembers this guy….

by schawkeye on Mar 28, 2010 12:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Uh, check this out

an article basically claiming that it was surprising that McCaffery would take a step down and coach Iowa, a program unable to recruit the quality of players Siena was able to recruit.
http://www.collegehoopsjournal.com/2010/03/28/fran-mccaffery-takes-the-job-at-iowa/

"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.

by StoopsMyAss on Mar 28, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

But, until Lickliter came

No serious basketball person would ever put Seton Hall in the same sentence with Iowa. Never. And St. John’s is not a better program, and never was really. They had the Mullen era, then poof. Iowa basketball historically is a Top 15 program, contemporarily, it is a 40s or so program.

"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.

by StoopsMyAss on Mar 28, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Which is funny because

when I was first learning the game, I loved Lou Carnesecca at St. John’s and PJ Carlesimo at Seton Hall.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Mar 28, 2010 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

They were riding the Big East wake though

Seton Hall made one magical run and St. Johns had one great recruting class.

"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.

by StoopsMyAss on Mar 28, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not rationalizing it,

just saying it was true. I was all of 8 years old at the time.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Mar 28, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think in being able (EAST COAST BIAS) to be in Big East better potential

Most theories would have him competing at a higher level than say Iowa. Most east coasters believe b ball was invented and is only played in Philly/NL/east coast.

by schawkeye on Mar 28, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

It is better there at the H.S level

look at the top 100 players on recruting sites every year…they dominate there. BUT…there are not a lot of currently great college programs in the area. So they all go to Uconn, Syracuse, Georgetown, Pitt, UNC, and wherever the fuck Calapari is.

"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.

by StoopsMyAss on Mar 28, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Chicago would like a word with you.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Mar 28, 2010 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well then he would have been better served to stay there

If he could have built a program, in Big east that is…

by schawkeye on Mar 28, 2010 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, you're missing the point

where the talent is and where the great programs are is two different things. This is not football. Typically, there are 4 scholarships a year to hand out. Four! So getting a guy from NJ to come to Iowa is not a big deal. Getting 10 guys to come to Iowa (like in football under Hayden one year) is whole ’nother deal.

The resources that Iowa offers is much greater and he is currently in a conference that only gets one invite. At Iowa you can go to the final four after finishing fourth in the conference.

"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.

by StoopsMyAss on Mar 28, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

All the old men I know will rather give him 4 years than Lick 1

They LOVE fast basketball. They constantly bitched about the pace of the game. Which is funny b/c they also LOVE our football defense and have no problem winning 6-4.

by somerandom on Mar 28, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because most people in Iowa do not get basketball

They might like it, but they don’t know the game. People know football and wrestling, but they think they know basketball. Have talked to MANY ignorant fans.

by vahawk on Mar 28, 2010 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Huh?

Are you talking to migrant workers?

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Mar 28, 2010 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

that's funny

"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.

by StoopsMyAss on Mar 28, 2010 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not IGNORANT! I have a Master's Degree!

From Iowa no less. SO THERE SMARTYPANTS.

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by Leftcoast Hawk on Mar 28, 2010 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

The focus of this hire has to be this...

Here is a guy who thinks he can make a run at Iowa. He had some choices. He chose Iowa. I am betting he will be paid $1.6 mil a year so I am not suggesting that he is volunteering here. But if he thought a better job existed, and he was no slouch on the market, he would have waited. Iowa is a damn good job and if he gets Iowa on a little run I think the dominoes fall into place.

"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.

by StoopsMyAss on Mar 28, 2010 1:04 PM CDT reply actions  

What was his buy out

Lots of $$ being thrown at Iowa hoops lately…

by schawkeye on Mar 28, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

probably zip...

"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.

by StoopsMyAss on Mar 28, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just read...there IS a buyout.

undiscolsed. Probably not huge. Maybe he wrote that certain types of programs will have a lower buyout. It is a private school…so we may not know till the Iowa contract is posted.

"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.

by StoopsMyAss on Mar 28, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep...

I can’t imagine a school like Siena charging more than $100k or maybe $200k, and those would probably be high guesses.

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

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by WaterlooChazz on Mar 28, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm gonna guess a $1 million payout.

"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.

by StoopsMyAss on Mar 28, 2010 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

That seems too high. Why would a coach

with dreams of one day working at a big program EVER agree to that. Not even Iowa had that kind of buyout. I’ll be interested to see what it is.

"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.

by StoopsMyAss on Mar 28, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I understood that he just signed a extension recently?

Possibility it’s what’s left on the lifetime of the deal?

Who's leg do I have to hump to get a drink around here?-Brian

by fliphawk4 on Mar 28, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

A couple bad years

and this will be his nickname:

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Mar 28, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Yummmm?"

Hencforth, you shall be known as “Sunset Blush.”

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Mar 28, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Living in the Albany area

I like the hire. Seems like a straight forward guy when talking to the press. Definitely passionate. Interviews with him are going to be better than the ‘uncomfortable silence with Dolph and Lick’.
His wife’s from Minnehaha so there’s a bit of a midwest family connection.
I’ve liked his recruiting. Seems like he can really get some athletes.
Personally I think his personality can fit at Iowa and stylistically I like the style of play.
Here’s what their saying on the Albany-Siena message boards:
http://blog.timesunion.com/collegesports/mccaffery-is-headed-to-iowa/7854/

by HawkeyePapyrus on Mar 28, 2010 1:10 PM CDT reply actions  

What I love it how regional basketball is...because there are so many more teams

the Siena message boards are talking about Iowa like we are Grinnell College…literally, no east coaster thinks Iowa can recruit anyone who is serious. And since Iowa has not been into the second round in years no one under 30 thinks Iowa even plays basketball. And Iowa fans think we deserved Bruce Pearl. It’s beautiful.

"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.

by StoopsMyAss on Mar 28, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

BOTTOM line can he recruit/retain and DEVELOP?

He has some tools to work with lets see what he can do. He also has glaring hole in pg and post areas. Lets see what he does with the scholly he has in our old drunks position errr shooting guards position…

by schawkeye on Mar 28, 2010 1:15 PM CDT reply actions  

glaring hole in pg and post areas???

  Ronald Moore PG led the nation in assists and was within the top ten nominees for the Bob Couzy Award. Ryan Rossiter….first team MAAC as a junior. He can definitely recruit and develop for these positions. Fran is great coach and develops players well. He will get all he can out of his players.

by Carol Reilly on Mar 28, 2010 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think SCHawkeye meant...

we have glaring holes at those positions at Iowa.

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

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by WaterlooChazz on Mar 28, 2010 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here is a suggestion for strength coach:

Denver Bronco great Ed McCaffrey. Also, he can teach our big men how to catch a pass.

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Mar 28, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

NEW POST UP:

http://www.blackheartgoldpants.com/2010/3/28/1394018/the-short-est-list-fran-mccaffery

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Mar 28, 2010 1:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Congratulations to Iowa for choosing a great coach!!!

To all the Iowa fans:
You are getting a class act. Fran McCaffery is the best. Knowledgeable, personable, competetive, great personality and overall great coach. His ability to recruit, scout and develop game plans is exceptional. Hedevelops wonderful relationships with his players and provides more guidance than just on the court. He has a great wife and great kids. They too will become part of the “Iowa Hawkeyes Family” and will be seen at practices and games alike. We will surely miss Fran and are so appreciative of what he did at Siena. We have now become Hawkeyes fans as well.

by Carol Reilly on Mar 28, 2010 6:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Thank you Carol

Your post is very, very appreciated :)

by stewartom on Mar 28, 2010 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks, Carol.

I’ll be rooting for Siena.

Best of luck in your coach search!

by Ed Podolak of Good Judgement on Mar 28, 2010 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

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