Rutgers to Big Ten: Are they the fairest of them all?
I really think we are looking at Rutgers as one of the additions. Probably the first. Then a couple of years later, Missori and Notre Dame. You heard it here first. Whatever that means.
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Do not want.
"It’s just that, reading through this thread, it appears you’re getting your ass kicked." -jtothep
You're too close to see it clearly
You want to be THE East Coast team. Admit it! Rutgers would be a perfect fit in my mind. It would neatly nestle between Northwestern and Indiana athletically. It would ripen the recruiting potential for everyone (sorry) west of Pennsylvania. It would fit well enough academically and Ime and every other Big Ten alum in NYC would finally be able to see our teams play without flying or driving through the night. Frankly, and I really mean this, I think it would seriously stregthen the conference and the BTN in every way. We would lift that underachieving school finally and maraud its natural resources.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
I think what Rambler was trying to say was;
DO NOT WANT!
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Mar 2, 2010 7:46 PM CST up reply actions
I disagree.
If they have a dedicated fanbase, it would be very, very small. Any bandwagon status fans are very apathetic. Their basketball team is currently bad. It has little history. Their football team is a mid-range Big East team. They have no history but bad history. With all due respect SMA, athletically, I don’t want something nestled “between Northwestern and Indiana”. Academics would probably be decent.
All I see from Rutgers is TV revenue. I don’t believe for one second that New York would really care about Rutgers. New Jersey, perhaps, but even then I have my doubts. This all feels too risky to me. If we have to go east, I’d prefer the Cuse. Doug Marrone will turn their football program around and they have solid football tradition. Their basketball team is in awesome shape and when Boeheim leaves, they’ve established enough of a status that their next coach should do allrite if he’s even half competent. They have great minor sports and they’re also a good fit academically. I honestly believe they have as much or more presence in NYC as Rutgers and they bring a decent market in New York state. The obstacle is Boeheim (the fans may oppose, but who cares about the fans?).
Lastly, Penn State as THE East Coast team? Hell, friendo, we already are. We already are. Excuse me while I polish my record 28th Lambert-Meadowlands Trophy.
"It’s just that, reading through this thread, it appears you’re getting your ass kicked." -jtothep
by ReadingRambler on Mar 2, 2010 10:25 PM CST up reply actions
Wait.. Did you say their basketball team was bad?
Do we have any room to talk? I think a group of cracked out preschoolers could beat us. The autistic kid probably has Better hands than JC as well. We need more tall black men.
by tyler slasher on Mar 3, 2010 11:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Teddy Greenstein
is typically a writer I respect (and, according to an ESPN-Chicago radio producer, one I sound like) but his logic is horribly flawed in this piece. The ’06 game against Louisville was representative of the NYC market and overall interest in Rutgers. However, it was representative for all the reasons the Big Ten should stay away from RU like the poison turd it is; Rutgers was a story that year because they had always been awful. It was new. It was novel. It was short-lived. There has not been a sustained interest in Rutgers since and moving them to a conference where they would be pushed further down the pecking order would only spell their death. In 20 years, they would become athletically to the Big Ten what Temple was to the Big East; cast-offs.
Or to put it another way:
I love soccer with a passion. I tell everyone how great it is and beg them to watch the World Cup and the English Premier League so they can see what they are missing. And all but a few of the Americans who even make the attempt to watch/get it are usually left with no more a reaction than “neat” and continue to go about their lives as before, despite the fact that people everywhere have fallen madly in love with it. We in the Midwest adore our college football. It’s in our blood to begin with and is an integral part of college experience. We can’t, however, expect that by simply making Big Ten football available we will change an entire region’s cultural aversion to/ignorance of our sport. Let them fawn over “what’s next”, we’re in it for what is.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
Hmm...
I love soccer with a passion. I tell everyone how great it is and beg them to watch the World Cup and the English Premier League so they can see what they are missing.
You may enjoy Black Heart Gold Pantalones come June, then. I predict much chatter about the other futbol then..
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
You guys are looking backward, not forward
the reason Rutgers has never been where it needs to be is their faculty. For years they thought Rutgers was going to become an Ivy League school, they they thought they were going to become NYU. Now they are getting the religion as the money is starting to come in on the sports.
Boise…was a JC. 20 years ago. Look forward gentlemen. Florida, was the Indiana of the SEC 30 years ago. Look forward gentlemen.
Oh, and I thought for the longest time Syracuse was the answer too. I am off them. Not because of Boeheim, he is going to be gone in five years anyway. But because they just are not nestled in close enough to the emerging sports landscape in NYC. You guys need to read about what is happening in NJ … they have a dedicated train station from NYC to the Meadowlands now. The Jets/Giants want big college games at that stadium. Rutgers would play half their games there and half in Piscattaway. The basketball team will change overnight after they complete their new basketball arena from a lowly dumpy 8,000 seater to a CHA type arena. What Vivian Stringer did will be what Rutgers mens b-ball will do. They will get a major stud to come in and just snag every NJ star and then overnight they will be a final four team.
We will see….
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
Boise/Florida fails
for one main reason; there was little to no competition for entertainment, sports or otherwise, in both of those locations. NJ may not be New York City, but it’s got a definite pulse and distance is a non-issue for most in that part of the country.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Mar 3, 2010 8:27 PM CST up reply actions
I think it makes even more sense...
Florida did not make a major move to the big time in football because Floridians suddenly wanted to watch college football. It started winning because they hit the coaching jackpot and finally, finally started to capitalize on its natural resources. Before that Georgia, with Vince Dooly, was raping and pillaging Florida for players and winning big time, as was Alabama. And before that it was more sparesely populated than it is now.
The facts are there to support Rutgers being awesome in football and basketball. NJ is among the top 10 states for talent in both sports, these players want to stay close to home just like any state produced player. There is not a lot of competition locally for their services. To win here just takes a committment to building up the programs. Football has already done that…they have been to a bowl game the last five years; they are now sending guys into the first round of the draft; they have built up their stadium and it is selling out for all marquee games and coming close for all others.
But everyone has to realize that the biggest accumulation of Big Ten alumni outside of Chicago, is in NYC. Iowa, IOWA!!! has a huge alumni group here that travels 5 hours to Penn State for Iowa games. The bottom line is this, the Big Ten is going to expand into this market. There are too many untapped riches here. The presdients of the universities want it for both athletic and academic reasons, the recruting coordinators want it, Delany who grew up in NJ and knows the NYC market all too well wants it, and I want it. So there.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
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