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Should He Stay or Should He Go? There is only one story this morning: NEW KEYBOARD CAT!
Oh, you say there's something happening with the basketball program?
At noon yesterday, the Todd Lickliter termination/resignation rumors were the sort of "friend of a friend of a cousin of a friend" blather that message boards are built upon. By game time, it had made local radio. Two hours after Iowa's season ended with a 59-52 loss to Michigan, and in the wake of a cryptic three-sentence statement by Gary Barta, the overwhelming majority of people in the know assumed Lickliter's ouster was inevitable. We haven't seen a hint of smoke grow to a towering inferno this fast since, well, the last coach left.
At yesterday's postgame press conference, Lickliter was asked the question, and by that I mean he was pretty much assaulted by an Indiana-based radio reporter:
Q. Coach, three seasons ago, take me through this: If I had sat there and told you that by this point almost the entire team would have transferred out, most of them would have been guys that could start and Iowa basketball would be in the state it's in now, would you have said I'm crazy or would you have said that's part of the plan to begin with in the sense that you have freshmen coming in that are your guys?
COACH LICKLITER: I'm not sure I follow the question.
Q. The question is, this is the worst Iowa basketball I've seen in probably 35 years as far as the amount of wins. What I'm asking you is because of the style of play that you had at Butler, you knew you'd have to come in and shape this over the course of time. Has that went like you thought it would or is this beyond what you thought it would be as far as a bad season?
COACH LICKLITER: Well, I didn't anticipate -- you don't look and project wins and losses, you prepare daily and try to put the best players out. I think the hardest thing coming in here has been that the recruits that we've been -- that we have targeted, that we feel like are going to be able to compete have got to go through some tough times. We're not recruiting All-Big Ten players to Iowa their freshman year. If we do, great, if we can find them. But realistically what we've had to do is recruit players that will develop into that, and that has been hard for players to go through the frustration, the grind, the hard work. So we've had to continue to fight through some of that. Of the players that have left, I had recruited one of them to-date if I'm not mistaken. It's not -- if you look back, players have left the University of Iowa before I came. If you look at Butler, I had very few players leave. I had a few. I didn't have a plan for -- as a matter of fact, I take it very seriously your commitment to student-athletes. I want them to progress and graduate, and that's been my commitment to them. I think that because student-athletes can leave, there's probably some of you sitting out here right now that if you could leave your job and go to another job that was very similar without any repercussions, you might do it. And there might be some days you'd do it more readily than others. But that's the state we're in right now, and so we've had to do a little fighting through that. We do have a foundation. I don't know what's going to happen. People have to make those decisions. But we've invested; players have gotten better, and this team is better than the first two teams that won more games.
Q. There has been a lot of speculation today about your future, and it's unavoidable. Are you confident you're going to be the coach of this team next year?
COACH LICKLITER: You know, my future is that I'm healthy, I have a great family. I love what I do. I've done it well, and that's not in my hands.
The fact that he mentions his health above all else isn't an accident. This is not a man who is going to resign, for health reasons or otherwise. If Lickliter is leaving, it's with a pink slip and a check for about $2M in hand. And we can think of about 2 million things that $2M of athletics money can be spent on.
That is not to say that Gary Barta won't spend it if he has to. Until yesterday, Barta unequivocally supported his coach; yesterday's statement, which did not mention Lickliter or the coaching staff and set off the current round of speculation, was the first time I can recall Barta not specifically confirming he was tied to Lick for the long haul. Realistically, only two scenarios could cause such a significant -- and such a public -- reversal: Either a big-money donor made a phone call, or Barta caught wind of another wave of transfers that would include at least one of the young triumvirate of Gatens, Fuller, and May (we would throw Cully Payne in there, but he's actually more likely to transfer if Lickliter leaves, if yesterday's statements are to be believed). If Barta has to pony up a couple million clams to prevent the epic implosion of next year's team or solidify his fundraising base, then he really has no choice. If Robespierre is to keep his head, others will need to roll.
The vacuum has been filled with speculation: Hlas and a now-beardless Morehouse went on KCRG to talk about the firestorm with John Sears (absolutely worth the 12 minutes to hear the entire thing). John Bohnenkamp blogged that Lickliter is done "unless something happens in the next few days that we don't know about." ESPN's Eamonn Brennan (an Iowa native, though a dirty Indiana graduate) doesn't get it and is promoting Larry Eustachy as a replacement. Others, like Steve Batterson and the DI's Scott Miller, are left to report on the rumors. Pat Harty probably ate a sandwich and took a nap. On the other hand, I've heard from other sources that this is just a radio rumor blown entirely out of proportion, which is certainly plausible given KCJJ's track record.
Word is that Barta is scheduled to remain in Indianapolis for Big Ten meetings through the day on Saturday. So long as he stays at Conseco Fieldhouse, Lickliter will have a job. If he cuts his plans short (as John Bohnenkamp suggested this morning on Twitter), expect news soon after he lands. Until then, we're going to avoid the speculation (though we agree with Morehouse's sentiments). We're going to avoid the short lists that are inevitably wish lists. We're just going to wait.
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I'm terrified as to what this means
What if those green things start moving north toward Tuscaloosa?
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I think HS changed the video to help calm your fears
WHERE THE GOLD AT?!
by The Mexican't on Mar 12, 2010 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
What?
No, clearly you’re just hallucinating visions of leprechauns from Alabama. It’s always been Keyboard Cat.
I mean, honestly, leprechauns stuck in trees in Alabama?
You crazy people, you.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I swear I saw
men playing Leprechaun flutes. I have to stop drinking.
And that only sounds like something that Oops Pow Adam Jacobi does on the weekend.
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by Bama Hawkeye on Mar 12, 2010 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
Perhaps there are crackheads in Alabama. Perhaps they got hold of the wrong stuff.
"Based on my estimates, it appears that Stanzi shall transcend the ages." - Cairo
by ReadingRambler on Mar 12, 2010 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
Crackheads in Alabama?!
God, you people really are crazy.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Of course there are crackheads in Alabama.
How else do you explain this?

by The Mexican't on Mar 12, 2010 1:33 PM CST up reply actions
That could easily be a sketch from Terrence Cody's Life Drawing class.
Crackheads in Alabama? Unbelievable. Next thing you’ll be telling me about a meth problem in Iowa…
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
SO
Is Keyboard Cat ver 2.0 the new BlackHeartGoldPodcast theme song for next season? It certainly has a much more upbeat, mid-80s Jan Hammer-esque theme song quality to it.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
It seems obvious to me...
that Keyboard Cat v2 provided the music for one of the greatest TV shows of all time: Miami Mice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxptHMvVuiY
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Mar 12, 2010 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
I was thinking more "Beverly Hills Cop theme"
but we’re definitely in the same ballpark
by Cairo on Mar 12, 2010 5:05 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
"Based on my estimates, it appears that Stanzi shall transcend the ages." - Cairo
by ReadingRambler on Mar 12, 2010 8:08 PM CST up reply actions
Ooooo, Harold Faltermeyer at his best.
"Do a flip!" - Bender B. Rodriguez
by Bucketochicken on Mar 13, 2010 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
Holy CRAP
Wait…I swore I just watched something about little green men.
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Did you shine a light in its direction?
Because it disappears if you shine a light in its direction.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Hawkeye State on Mar 12, 2010 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
By the way
I am fully ready for the Chris Collins era to start at Iowa.
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My choice exactly...
he’ll be awkward in year one but his bloodliines are right up my alley.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
by StoopsMyAss on Mar 12, 2010 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
Bloodlines?
When did we start talking about horse breeding?
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Mar 12, 2010 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
Chris Collins was ever so close to coming to Iowa, under Dr. Tom as I recall, no?
this place smells like feet. i’ll bring a can of lysol next week.
Uh
“…and this team is better than the first two teams that won more games.”
2009-2010 Stats
11th in conference in PPG
10th in conference in rebounds
10th in conference in assists
10th in conference in turnovers/game
11th in conference in assist/turnover ratio
11th in conference in steals
10th in conference in blocks
3rd in conference in fouls per game (EAT A DICK HIGHTOWER WE’RE DISIPLINED)
tied for last in conference FG%
8th in conference in FT% (only .002 away from 11th place)
10th in conference in 3P%
11th in conference in points per shot
I know Lickliter is fighting for his job and the respect of the fans so he’ll say just about anything to show what an awesome tremendous job he’s done so far, but we know what we saw and the stats show we sucked big fucking dick this year. But yeah, good luck staving off Bloodpunch.
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by Twin Cities Hawk on Mar 12, 2010 12:04 PM CST reply actions
They were better
at all those things you can’t actually measure with numbers. Or see during games. And they had a hell of a trillionaire……
In 100 years, we'll all be dead.
to be fair
Hightower can cause anyone to make a goofy looking expression
Ankles! We don't need no stinking ankles!
by three and out the kok story on Mar 12, 2010 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
If you're OK with our coach drinking Natty Light with Wisconsin fans...
Then by all means, Larry Eustachy is your man.
We’d all need to stock up on black mock turtlenecks, but that’s doable.
He's more likely to return to the scene of the crime.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
by StoopsMyAss on Mar 12, 2010 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
Ames means Columbia, eventually, no?
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
by StoopsMyAss on Mar 12, 2010 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
And we can think of about 2 million things that $2M of athletics money can be spent on.
So, you’re saying Lick is going to stop at Woody’s before he gets on the plane to leave town?
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
Hlas and a now-beardless Morehouse went on KCRG to talk about the firestorm…
Wow. This season was so bad, that it caused a firestorm that burned off Morehouse’s beard? Should we call the forest service and get one of those helicopters to drop powder on the fire?
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
I heard they found a severly charred scuba diver...
…dangling from the end of one of Mas Casa’s soul patch hairs.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Mar 12, 2010 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
Man
Evan Turner is disgusting. Talk about crushing LOLverine Nation’s dreams in one swift shot.
They took the bar, the whole fucking bar!
by recoveringfratguy on Mar 12, 2010 12:56 PM CST reply actions
what happened?
I don’t have coverage at work, last I looked 23 seconds left and Michigan up 66-64.
"Well of course, there's nothing better than being American!!!" - Ricky Americanzi, Jan. 5th, 2010
by The Bacon Explosion on Mar 12, 2010 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
Turner takes the inbound with 2.2 seconds left
Michigan was up by two, and he drained a three from way outside the arc. Got the shot off with 0.2 seconds left. Just disgusting!
They took the bar, the whole fucking bar!
by recoveringfratguy on Mar 12, 2010 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
Serves UM right for not defending.
"Based on my estimates, it appears that Stanzi shall transcend the ages." - Cairo
by ReadingRambler on Mar 12, 2010 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
Let me make two things clear:
I absolutely hate nearly everything involved with tOSU.
However, I also love to watch Manny Harris get his points while (inadvertently?) causing Michigan to blow yet another big game. It makes him and Michigan look so stupid at the same time.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Mar 12, 2010 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
LOL, servers those rodents right, f#ckers
this place smells like feet. i’ll bring a can of lysol next week.
It's always fun to watch other schools go through this.
I remember when we were going to fire Monson. Then he got a ringing endorsement from the AD. Then he quit 7 games into the next season. It’s better when it’s not you, like football in the groin.
Everyone fails. The successful learn from their failures. I just wish we'd quit giving ourselves so many learning opportunities.
by WhiteSpeedReceiver on Mar 12, 2010 12:58 PM CST reply actions
Indeed.
Of course, you’re about 6-9 months away from going through this same experience with PLAY4BREW, no?
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
WINFIGHTREMENDOUSVERYVERYyes.
Everyone fails. The successful learn from their failures. I just wish we'd quit giving ourselves so many learning opportunities.
by WhiteSpeedReceiver on Mar 12, 2010 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
Except...
Brew never got the “ringing endorsement.” Instead, he got the “shitty extension.”
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Mar 12, 2010 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
Shitty extension...
…I believe that’s called a cling-on or a dingleberry…
…or a strip mall weave.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Mar 12, 2010 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
excellent.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Mar 12, 2010 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
My opinion hinges on transfers
If there are/were going to be departures from any of the Gatens, May, Fuller group, then, you’ve got to cut Lickliter loose.
However, if they’re committed to stay with him then firing Lickliter makes no sense.
I don’t think starting over (and likely losing most of this incoming recruiting class) is the answer.
On the flip side, if he can’t keep that core group, then the status quo is wholly untenable.
by Internet Legend on Mar 12, 2010 1:54 PM CST reply actions
I've seen a variation of this argument several places
And I disagree with it. Whether or not to keep Lickliter another year should not be in any way dependent on whether you think Iowa can be better next year. I would hope that with another year of experience we could be better than the worst team in program history.
The decision of whether or not to retain Lickliter should be based on an assessment of the likelihood that he can improve the program to an acceptable level. If you do believe that he can get Iowa where they need to be (IMO, top 1/3 in the Big 10 and regular NCAA appearances), then you bring him back regardless of how bad you think they’re going to be next year. If you think he can’t get to that level, you let him go now regardless of whether or not they’ll improve next year.
I’ve also seen it said that it doesn’t make sense to let him go as they would be “starting over”. I don’t get that statement either. Again -if you think he’s not going to get you to an acceptable level, you’ll have to start over at some point. You keep him if you think he’s going to vastly improve the program, not out of a desire to avoid starting over.
On the last note, on the incoming recruits – while they are certainly the most promising class Lick has brought in so far, I’m not quite sure that they’re the kind of recruits I would keep a coach I didn’t believe in to avoid losing them.
So...........
if Lick can improve us back to an acceptable level, but it will take another 4 years, do you keep him? Or do you try to bring in someone you think might do it quicker?
You might not worry about starting over. But, could you imagine what Iowa basketball would look like if you lost 3 of next year’s recruits, and you lost May, and you lost Gatens?
We would be starting Payne, Cole, Fuller, and the rest of the team would be walk-ons. I haven’t been to the Fieldhouse courts, but I have a feeling we don’t want to fill the Carver bench with the likes of those dudes.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Mar 12, 2010 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
There is no worse.
There is no reason to keep Lick. The job he’s done so far is not adequate for any program, let alone Iowa’s. At the time, hiring Lick seemed like a good move, but it hasn’t turned into anything but a festering sore. Some people might think that is overly harsh criticism, however I would respond with, for the amount of money we are going to end up paying him, we deserve better. The guy can’t be asked to wear a tie to every game, coach during practice, or keep players on the team.
Maybe those things would be acceptable if we won, but Iowa does not win. In fact we recorded 4 wins in the Big 10 this season, which the number 4 appears again in another important stat, the number of road victories in the Big 10 under Lick, 4. That’s right, Lick is 4 and 23 in Big 10 road games.
Maybe all of that could be overlooked if there was some positive feelings about the program moving forward. We were playing a lot of young players, while bad for this years record could pay dividends down the road. But while Payne and Fuller did show flashes of being capable Big 10 players (obvious shortcomings aside), the team as a whole waffled down the stretch, losing 6 of their last 7 by an average margin of over 12 points per game, including ending in impressive fashion in loses to Minnesota and Wisconsin, the worst in Iowa history.
While worrying about the future after Lick is prudent, worrying about what talent might leave is laughable, considering what talent we have. If talent consisted of being blocky, being moderately athletic, and being short I would say Iowa has a lot to worry with possible defectors if Lick were to depart, but the bottom line is, as much as it hurts to say and hear, this program is seriously devoid of talent.
So yeah, I say keep Lick, then in 4 more years we can get on with returning Iowa to a winning program.
by Thrill-House on Mar 13, 2010 4:22 AM CST up reply actions
Unless things have drastically changed since the mid 80s..
I’m willing to bet there are guys playing rec basketball on campus that are at least as good – if not better – than much of what we’ve had on the court this year. Usually the downside of good rec players is the height issue… there are lots of young guys that can play great ball but aren’t tall enough to get noticed by talent scouts.
At least we might be able to dig up some decent ball handlers that won’t turn over the goddamn ball all of the time because they have no ball handling skillz, if nothing else.
If he’s fired/resigns, go ahead and release anyone from letters of intent to come here that doesn’t want to be part of the new regime. Get a coach who plays uptempo, and get a team of gym rats together and play entertaining ball the next couple of years while we recruit the talent we need to win.
I say its total – TOTAL – bs that “we can’t get good talent to come to Iowa to play basketball.” Its the Big 10 people. National exposure. Basketball attendance is down because of the way the program is marketed and I’ve always though that Carver was built to accommodate the gray hairs who think watching basketball in person should be the same Lazyboy lounger experience they have at home (i.e, CHA is way too comfortable – we should have built a new Fieldhouse without the beams and structural issues).
Get better practice facilities, drop the ticket prices down to where we fill the place, bad or not – if you’re going to take a bath on tickets, isn’t it better to have a full arena than an empty one given the same gate?
Put some gym rats playing run and gun out there. It can’t possibly be any worse from a W/L perspective than the horseshit we’ve seen for three years. Make it FUN!
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by Leftcoast Hawk on Mar 13, 2010 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
Because this is NOT Rocket Science
Its college basketball. We aren’t trying to cure cancer or make Republicans and Democrats get along, we just need a basketball experience that will bring the fans back and at least make Iowa look like a fun place to play basketball on the Big 10 Network.
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by Leftcoast Hawk on Mar 13, 2010 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
I've been thinking the same thing lately
Bring in a run and gun style and try and get some excitement back in the program. Put up 110 pts a game and get some butts back in the seats.
We need a style to shake up the Big 10
From the bruiser ball Wisky style low scoring direction the conference has taken in the last several years. We have to offer a different style to get kids to play basketball here. What works in football for Iowa doesn’t necessary work in basketball.
Run and gun puts butts in the seats, because at least when you crash and burn in that style, its still fun to watch.
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by Leftcoast Hawk on Mar 13, 2010 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
As a Phoenix Suns fan...
Yes, run and gun is better but then come the unrealized expectations of actually winning something of significance
As opposed to where we are stuck at the moment? :)
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by Leftcoast Hawk on Mar 13, 2010 5:04 PM CST up reply actions
Yep...
right now we are losing some games of no significance (ask Duquesne).
I would settle for 17 wins and two games in the NIT next year. And that is the sort of crap that got Tom Davis and Steve Alford “fired.”
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Mar 13, 2010 6:42 PM CST up reply actions
Was Iowa running "run and gun" when Tom Davis got shown the door?
"Based on my estimates, it appears that Stanzi shall transcend the ages." - Cairo
by ReadingRambler on Mar 13, 2010 9:05 PM CST up reply actions
I'm just wondering, because I recall seeing some comments here from people who said they sometimes disliked Iowa's style in the late 90s.
And I’m also convinced it’d be somewhat more difficult for a team to win in the Big Ten without the ability to play “hard nosed” (or whatever term the stupid announcer comes up with to excuse Hightower’s reffing) basketball considering the refs in this conference.
"Based on my estimates, it appears that Stanzi shall transcend the ages." - Cairo
by ReadingRambler on Mar 13, 2010 9:07 PM CST up reply actions
If my memory serves...
Iowa had slowed down a little bit by the time Davis left. He was once known for a lot of full court pressing, and his teams usually rebounded well and hit a pretty decent percentage on free throws.
Here is (what I can find of) the roster from Tom Davis’s final season (1998-1999):
PG – Dean Oliver (a soph at the time, quite quick, and was the leading scorer at 11.9 ppg).
SG – Kent McCausland (a senior at the time, but not known for being very quick. He could shoot the three quite well, though).
SF – Jason Bauer (a senior, and at least began his Iowa career as a walk-on. Was white, not real quick, and scored 2.6 ppg).
PF – Jess Settles (a sixth-year senior, he did score 9.8 ppg that year. However, back injuries [at least, I think it was his back] had eaten away at the limited speed he once possessed.)
C – JR Koch (a senior who scored 10 ppg, but was probably a bit undersized to be playing center in that era of the Big Ten.)
Key backups: Guy Rucker (a junior center who scored only 6.7 ppg despite having a body that could have taken him to the NBA, if he ever cared enough). Joey Range (a highly-touted freshman guard, who probably could have done big things if he wasn’t more concerned with making babies, even as early as high school). Ryan Luehrsmann (a junior guard who scored almost 6 ppg. He was a typical white backup PG for Iowa). Jacob Jaacks (a junior who had come from community college, and had not gone batshit crazy with his flying elbows yet.) I think there were a couple more players, like the final games of Sam Okey’s career, but they aren’t listed in the media guide on the Iowa website.
Basically, this was a pretty un-athletic team for Davis, without a lot of guys coming off the bench who would hustle their ass off to up their playing time. So, he probably had to adapt to that, and “run and gun” a bit less than the fans were used to.
But, it was good enough team to tie for third in the Big Ten, win two games in the NCAA tourney (against UAB and Arkansas, winning by 10 points or more in each game), and lose to eventual national champs in UConn. Iowa finished 20-10 that year. However, they were only 18-9 going into the NCAA tourney, and had lost in the first round of the Big Ten Tournament to Wisconsin. How on earth we were a 5 seed in the Big Dance, I will never know.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Mar 13, 2010 9:36 PM CST up reply actions
I was at every home game
for the final Davis season. You’ve pretty much got it down. That last team was actually pretty entertaining and lost a few games that they could have easily won (Ohio State, ugh) which would have made their very good record even more impressive. It was also, I feel, a deeper conference. 4 Big Ten squads advanced the the Sweet Sixteen that season, and the next season (featuring many of the same players) had two teams (Wisco & eventual champ, MSU) in the Final 4. Davis’ teams put up good efforts in most games, played a much more appealing style of ball and usually made you feel that on their best nights they could beat anyone. Does anyone feel that a TL team, right now, could beat “anyone” on their best night? Probably not.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Mar 14, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not sure...but I don't think a lickliter player has ever
been drafted in the NBA … that would be an interesting fact (if true).
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
I'm assuming
you’re going back to previous stops with that question, because the last Hawkeye I can remember in the league (and I don’t think he was even drafted) was Jared Reiner.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Mar 14, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Haluska was a 2nd round draft pick.
I don’t think he ever got out of the D-League, though.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Sounds like
a “no” to me.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Mar 14, 2010 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
He didn't PLAY in the NBA.
But he was the last Iowa guy DRAFTED.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Sorry, Ross
wasn’t trying to come off like a dick. Was just answering SMA’s question in a highly unspecific way. My bad.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Mar 14, 2010 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I mean in TL's tenure as a head coach in college
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
Yeah, I figured.
Here’s a stunning stat(s). This is the entire list of Butler players to have ever played in the NBA/ABA.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Mar 14, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
No worries.
I got what you meant and was just trying to clarify myself.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Just wondered,
has it ever been noted on this site that Todd Lickliter himself was a college transfer?
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Mar 14, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
That may be true.
But you know he was doing things the “Butler way” even when he was at Central Florida CC.
Actually, his wiki says he enrolled at UNC Wilmington, then went to CFCC, then to Butler.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Mar 14, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
That Butler NBA list
is shocking. Drake looks like Kentucky compared to them. (Lewis Lloyd…oh yeah.)
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
No kidding.
Colgate and Hofstra have had more NBA players than Butler. Shit, St. Bonaventure has somehow managed 15!?!
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Mar 15, 2010 3:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Reporters question
While convoluted, is actually pretty damning of Lickliter. Granted I don’t follow Iowa basketball that closely (I’ve got Georgetown’s perennial failure to live up to expectations to cause me enough angst), but it’s clear things have gotten bad in Iowa City. It would be worth keeping Lick around if this team were on the verge of something (a run to the NIT?) next season and the rebuilding process were underway. Instead, we find ourselves, at the end of three seasons, counting on current freshmen (sophmores-to-be) and incoming freshmen to begin the rebuilding process. That’s pretty damning. That means the team is 2 years, minimum, from being consistently competitive. I don’t want Iowa to be the type of place where coaches don’t get a chance to succeed, but it’s looking increasingly like Lick isn’t EVER going to succeed. After three seasons we’re not at the end of the beginning, we’re still at the start of the beginning. And that should be unacceptable to anyone.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
NIT appearance or
Deep, epic, NIT championship run?
this place smells like feet. i’ll bring a can of lysol next week.
by pfac51 on Mar 12, 2010 3:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Thank you, pfac...
for adding new depth to my possible dissatisfaction. I thought an NIT appearance might quench my thirst for any improvement, but your question made me remember back to those other Iowa NIT appearances that ended within two games, and I now feel even more depressed.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Mar 12, 2010 3:52 PM CST up reply actions
The Kelly Factor (d/b/a Why I think he should have more time)
Is it fair to assume the majority of people agree that Kelly’s transfer had very little to with Lickliter or the struggles of Iowa program?
If your answer is yes, would you also agree that had Kelly been on this team, this season would have been markedly different? If you think about it Lil’ John wouldn’t have seen the floor, Cully could have been used situationally, and there would have been less pressure on Gatens to carry the team. I am not saying they would have qualified for the NCAA (or maybe the NIT). Still, I honestly believe there would have been marked improvement over last year.
If that improvement had occurred, no way are we having this discussion today. I am not one to generally place that much on one event, but I think there is some justification here. Please tell me why I am wrong.
Ankles! We don't need no stinking ankles!
by three and out the kok story on Mar 12, 2010 2:46 PM CST reply actions
At this point
I feel as though I’ve heard too many stories for why all of the individual transfers aren’t Lick’s fault.
Nice comment, Mikey.
Also, at Three and Out: do you really want the success (or in the case of 2009-2010, abject failure) of an entire basketball program to hinge on how homesick a gangly white combo guard is or is not?
I’m not acting like Alford was the man, but it seems like losing one dude never sank us into this territory within one season. I know that the Big Ten is probably tougher now, but still.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Mar 12, 2010 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
Of course
I don’t want the program to be dependent on any one person. However, my point was, I think that is where it was at and should be considered. For example, what if Stanzi had gotten hurt during the UNI game and we were left starting Vanderberg right away. If they ended up 6-6 or 5-7 are you going to factor in the injury in evaluating Ferentz’s coaching? I would and to me it is a similar situation.
I am not really sure what homesick has to with Kelly’s abilities (and I am going to assume its not jab at him). But as I remember it, toward the end of last season Kelly had really started to figure things out on the court and was even named PoW a couple of times. I think any BB program in a rebuilding phase would be hurt by the loss of its best or second best player, regardless if he is a gangly, white combo gaurd.
I also think the other transfers are irrelevant in relationship to Kelly. Until someone tells me differently, if Kelly’s mom doesn’t pass away, he doesn’t leave.
As far as Alford, imagine were they would have been without Tyler Smith Alford’s last year.
Ankles! We don't need no stinking ankles!
by three and out the kok story on Mar 12, 2010 4:41 PM CST up reply actions
Iowa's leading scorer the last three years...
subsequently transferred.
In 2007/8 Tony Freeman was the leading scorer. Next season he left.
In 2008/9 Jake Kelly was the leading scorer. Next season he left.
in 2009 Anthony Tucker was Iowa’s leading scorer…when he left the team he was the leading scorer. He has left.
Gatens in now the team’s leading scorer. He is likely to be the first player in Lickliter’s tenure to lead the team in scoring and actually continue on…three years later. That is a serious problem, the likes of which have probably never been duplicated at any team in college basketball history. I may be wrong, but I would put money on it that it has never happened. Left to go pro, yes. Left to graduate, yes. Left due to ineligibility, sure. Left to transfer? I highly doubt it.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
Lickliter's "Larry Bird isn't walking through that door" moment
It’s been lost in the discussion of his impending termination (after today, I am 88% sure he’s gone) is one statement in that press conference answer that should be Lickliter’s epitaph:
We’re not recruiting All-Big Ten players to Iowa their freshman year. If we do, great, if we can find them. But realistically what we’ve had to do is recruit players that will develop into that, and that has been hard for players to go through the frustration, the grind, the hard work.
It’s thinking like this that got Tom Davis fired in the first place, and it’s the most damning indictment of the “one more year” argument. By Lick’s own admission, his incoming freshmen — as touted as they are — aren’t game-changers. Almost certainly this team would improve next year, but not nearly enough to save his job. So with the knowledge that the core guys (save possibly for Payne) will stay regardless, let’s get it over with.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
Its kind of like getting a flu shot
You dread the stab of the needle, but once they stick you it isn’t so bad.
I think the best outcome – really really – is for TL to go as gracefully as can be done.
And its kind of naive to think that Barta hasn’t had a list of potential replacements in his pocket from the first day of the season – and certainly after TL’s health scare.
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by Leftcoast Hawk on Mar 12, 2010 8:02 PM CST up reply actions
I reitierate
But the fact remains that after YEAR 3 of the Lickliter era, Iowa basketball can only hope that the rebuilding is about to begin. That alone should be reason enough to get someone fired.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Well, this is the Iowa Way.
Iowa develops talent, it doesn’t acquire it. (I guess wrestling might an exception.) I thought TL has done a good job of absorbing and reflecting Ferentz’ example, in regard to this issue.
But I have been scratching my head over the repeated meme that things will be different with the Four Freshmen next year, so I agree with you there. That never made any sense, and my impression of TL is that he immediately breaks his players down into their component parts and tries to rebuild them in his system’s image — another reason why four teenaged projects are not going to transform the team.
RockyH is right in : you really need to commit to an additional 2-3 years or pay him off now. That’s assuming not a single transfer this year.
Mr. Boh Knows ...
What?
I don’t buy this at all. We used to be able to grab decently talented guys to come play here. What he has us doing is well below our capacity in recruiting and for him to come out and say it will never be better is perhaps the most damning thing in my mind.
We have never been UNC, but we used to be able to go out and grab guys like Roy Marble or the twin towers who were far more athletic than anyone on this current team. I am not saying Iowa should be going after blue chip recruits, but there is a difference between grabbing talented recruits who maybe aren’t ranked as high and grabbing guys who would never see the court in the Atlantic 10.
Iowa should be able to raid Chicago and shut down the home state. That recruiting strategy should be more than enough to give us some talented and athletic players. We can’t do that now because we don’t have the clout to make the nationally recruited guys in Iowa stay home and to attract the upper third of talent in the Chicago land area. There is going to have to be building done on recruiting, but I have a hard time believing Lickliter is the man to do it since he seems to think we have the recruiting capacity of Butler and not a state institution.
This isn’t what Kirk Ferentz does with the football team. What we have now in basketball is the equivalent of our football team recruiting the same players as Northern Illinois. It isn’t like Ferentz just pulls talent out of ass, we recruit talented guys. Per Rivals, our football team had four 4 star recruits this year. No football and basketball are never going to be full of blue chip recruits, but that doesn’t mean we cannot recruit guys who are athletically talented.
If Lickliter’s vision of this team is to do what Butler does then I think he is really limiting what we can do. We have a far bigger recruiting base than Butler and we need someone who can capitalize on that, not just tie our hands and say we can only grab players if they fit a system which is built for less talented players.
This year was the first in years
where a freshman played major minutes under Ferentz (Wegher…Robinson was a RS so he doesn’t count). Jewel was a back-up and he too was unusual. Reiff is a RS. The ture freshman started is almost non existent under Ferentz. So I don’t follow you on this. Ferentz is all about development. His guys are targeted for true junior or RS Sophomore year.
I think Iowa can get, and did get in May, a talented freshman player who can come in and make a difference. But the goal here is to win a lot and we are not a school who will be winning with a line-up of freshmen and sophomores. And we never have been.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
Bulaga started 9 games as a freshman
but it was another position of need where the player had extraordinary ability. By Lick’s own admission, we don’t have those guys here.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Hawkeye State on Mar 13, 2010 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
Forgot about Bulaga
but he is an exceptional talent as we will learn on draft day as he might go Top 10.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
by StoopsMyAss on Mar 13, 2010 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
Outliers don't count.
Actually, they prove the hypothesis.
Sanders played as a frosh. A few guys are not normal.
Always throw out your highs and lows and look at the broad middle. Well, in the broad middle we are a development culture.
Mr. Boh Knows ...
Freshmen play under KF a lot more now...
where a freshman played major minutes under Ferentz (Wegher…Robinson was a RS so he doesn’t count). Jewel was a back-up and he too was unusual. Reiff is a RS. The ture freshman started is almost non existent under Ferentz.
Douglas started at WR almost from day one in 2006. Bulaga entered the starting line-up halfway through the 2007 season. Edds and Ballard both played quite a bit as true freshmen in 2006 and 2007 (respectively). This year was decidedly NOT the first year in recent times that KF has played true freshmen. Is it more out of need than desire? Yes, but it’s also part of a philosophical change he talked about after redshirting guys that could have helped the team in 06 or so.
So I don’t follow you on this. Ferentz is all about development. His guys are targeted for true junior or RS Sophomore year.
That’s the ideal, obviously, but he’s far more willing to play FR now than he was just a few years ago. I think what KC is also saying is that KF is able to recruit players with higher talent ceilings (which is what a 4* recruit is, more or less). Yeah, he needs to get the 2/3* Klug types and bring them along, but he also wants the 4* Clayborn types that can be difference-makers. Lickliter has shown no aptitude to acquire that type of player in basketball.
I think Iowa can get, and did get in May, a talented freshman player who can come in and make a difference. But the goal here is to win a lot and we are not a school who will be winning with a line-up of freshmen and sophomores. And we never have been.
That is certainly true, unless we bring in some sort of recruiting super-stud.
RE: May — he is very talented and very good, but he was not the sort of freshman that should be relied upon to be a starter and play 25-30 minutes. He would have been a great 6th or 7th man this year, coming in and playing 15 minutes or so. But obviously that wasn’t possible with the talent gap on the team.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
See iread Ferentz on this differently
I think he accepts that freshmen—and I am talking true freshmen—have the ability to play in some unique cases, but he has a very hard time trusting them. That he started Paki in game one tells me he has to be dragged kicking and screaming to playing true freshmen. I think he feels players need time to develop physically and mentally as well as develop trust with the coaching staff and the other players. Paki played because he knew he would not blow an assignment or fumble…then when he did both he said, well, shit, then let me use the more talented player.
But my point is that I agree with Bellanca’s suggestion that we are a school that develops talent as a core principle in football and in basketball that is a perfectly acceptable route to go.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
by StoopsMyAss on Mar 13, 2010 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
Playing freshmen...
That may be Ferentz’s ideal, but I think he’s also learning to trust freshmen more and more when he has guys that can make an immediate impact. I do think he learned a lesson from 2006 when he sat guys who could have helped. He’s played far more freshmen over the past three years than he had prior to that — partially out of need, but partially because he’s not going to hurt the team today for a potential gain tomorrow.
But my point is that I agree with Bellanca’s suggestion that we are a school that develops talent as a core principle in football and in basketball that is a perfectly acceptable route to go.
I agree for the most part, but (a) you absolutely must be able to retain players if that’s the plan and (b) he still needs to recruit better players. I struggle to see how a guy like Brommer warranted a scholarship from Iowa.
And if development is the plan, he still needs to have enough decent talent on hand to make the growing pains tolerable. Instead, we have three straight losing seasons and historical worsts in attendance and win/loss records in year three.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Well, that's just it
Ferentz has proven he can develop a player with talent and get them to the NFL. That’s his sales pitch in recruting. Lickliter doesn’t seem to have one. He is not a developer of big men or guards…in fact, i don’t quite know what his calling card is. And yes, Ferentz is opening up. No doubt. In ways beyond personnel even.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
From a player perspective
I think Ferentz opened up because he had no real choice. He passively acknowledged a couple of bad recruiting years and a change in philosophy in recruiting. The younger players were simply better and he had to take a chance on them. It won’t always work, but it worked well going to a Sophomore QB a year ago and all the freshmen this year. We will likely see one or two frosh this fall with significant playing time.
I agree with Stoops, it’s still hard for him. I think he has been so systematic in his approach that when when he needed to make changes, he was initially slow to do it, ultimately paid the price, and is now a bit looser overall.
It’s just different with basketball, and 5 people on the court. You can’t have all developmental players. Lute’s final four year was due in large part to Ronnie Lester. Dr. Tom won with Raveling’s players, the best overall collection of talent we have had since I started following the team in the late ‘70s. He had a good year or two with Acie Earl. He had a couple of pretty good players on his last sweet 16 team. Alford was riding high in 2001 with Recker and Evans until Recker was injured and the whole thing collapsed under unchecked egos and lack of discipline. Alford’s other good year?? Brunner and (damn, blanking on his name) Each of these teams had at least one guy who was very good, not necessarily great, but very good out of the box. Lickliter’s comments about relying so much on development don’t seem very optimistic, like there are so many kids he won’t even try for.
This is a bad situation for Iowa all around. Everybody is complaining, myself included, about how bad this team was. But all of us knew it would be about this bad. TL had the majority of quality players leave for reasons having little or nothing to do with him, or so it seems. Instead of a one-year clean-out process it was two. Yet, at the same time, what we do see, with the players we do have, is not at all promising. Now, we have what some have called a “top 25” recruiting class coming in, with a coach we all question, and we gave him all of three years after giving him a mess to clean up, while outside circumstances created another unearned mess to endure. It reminds me a little of Ty Willingham, without the race issue, at Notre Dame. Canning him make us look impatient. Not canning him feels like we might be digging a deeper hole for ourselves.
Jeff Horner
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by Bucketochicken on Mar 13, 2010 3:47 PM CST up reply actions
Disagree.
I didn’t think it was possible to be this bad.
And I am really tired of hearing how everyone who left did so for reasons unrelated to the character and teaching of the head coach. Gee, you think they were all just dying to go play DII basketball all along?
Ty Willingham — check out what happened at Washington — is not whom I’d reference here.
Mr. Boh Knows ...
I only half disagree...
I was hoping for more mild improvement (go from 15-17 up to .500, and maybe win 6 or 7 in the league again.)
But then, I noticed that Gatens and Cole had not turned into super-heroes, that Tucker was back to the same-old crap, and that Brennan Cougill was, in fact, the Great White Hope. Except, it was this great white hope:

And while I do feel like it might be a bit of a dick-move to fire Lick right now, I guess I can’t call him Ty Willingham. Because Willingham actually won 10 games his first year at Notre Dame, and made a bowl game in his last year at there. Lick has nothing close to that here at Iowa.
If only I could predict the future. I’d rather get rid of him now than in a year or 18 months. But I also feel like there is a 60% chance that they improve next year, and make the Big Dance the next year (in March of 2012.)
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Mar 13, 2010 7:03 PM CST up reply actions
TL never had to create a culture before.
Here he had to re-engineer the culture, then build it anew. My view: never ask a middle aged man to do something he’s never done before. Ever.
He inherited a culture at Butler, didn’t have to do any selling, didn’t have to deal with any prima donnas, didn’t have to interact with any ballplayers who said, “Yeah, but who the f*** are you, and where the f*** is Butler, anyway?”
Increasingly, I am convinced that he struggles with the fact that ballplayers expect him to show them something, and he’s never had to do that.
Mr. Boh Knows ...
That ship has sailed
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Mar 13, 2010 4:10 PM CST up reply actions
2-3 more years
And Todd Lickliter will have Iowa in the NCAA’s. Or we send him packing, and he’ll do that at the next school
It’s like people don’t even realize he’s had to start over twice due to Alford’s recruits bailing on the Hawkeyes.
Brunettes not fighter jets
Perhaps.
But I’m sure that Barta and TL planned to be in the NCAA’s this year (year three).
If you’re an executive and you take over an outfit, you inevitably change some of the people. Before you change out the people, you keep and manage the ones you have. You’re not allowed to let the wheels fall off the wagon while you reconfigure and redesign your organization, by saying, “I took this job but it’s not my fault we just had our worst year in 100 years of doing business. The other guy had hired the wrong people.” This constant pointing at Alford and his recruits just doesn’t wash any more. TL is a pro and he was fully capable of evaluating the players he inherited. And a middle-aged DI coach knows that he’d better not have an attendance and a wins-and-losses problem in year 3.
I think the larger issue, and the problem with your assertion, is that there is zero evidence that he is the kind of charismatic, enjoyable coach players can stand to be around for 4 or 5 years. The players all look like they are being run through a meat-grinder. Basketball is supposed to be fun.
Agree, disagree, but it’s clear: we don’t know if he is the kind of coach his players want to be around. This is an astonishing condition. No one had any doubts, did they, about Lute or Hayden or Ferentz, in this regard. But after three years of the most mind-numbing, soul-crushing, 3/21, sub-50 point-games, we have no idea.
My theory is that Barta is not a strong exec, and he made the mistake they all do: he hired someone who makes him feel comfortable and safe. And that TL inherited a fully-baked, culturally-mature system at Butler. (TL has never constructed his own culture nor had to sell it to a bunch of strange kids.)
At this point I say NO WAY should TL resign. We either keep riding this bus or pay the man in full. He’s a good guy and he’s exactly what he said he was when he came. TL has all the leverage here and he should use it.
Mr. Boh Knows ...
What's really damning is that Butler is doing so well... and tOSU...
And we aren’t. It is pretty obvious that the PROGRAM that’s in place at Butler is what makes Butler successful, NOT the coach that happens to be the head of that program at the moment necessarily… although Matta seems to be doing just fine at tOSU.
Kids play at Butler that want to stay at home in Indiana and in the Indianapolis area… its that city’s equivalent of Drake.
Excellent point that TL has never built “the Butler way” elsewhere.
I still think we fire him tho. I totally disagree that “he has all the leverage.”
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by Leftcoast Hawk on Mar 13, 2010 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
I think maybe we do know
if he’s the kind of coach players want to be around. I think the exodus over the last three years is a pretty good indication. Coaching changes happen every year, but you typically don’t see this type of player turnover in a program.
Exactly. Churn is the merry-go-round of program death.
But LC Hawk, he’s a good guy, exactly the guy Barta hired. He has a contract. His contract is a deal, and a deal is a deal. If Barta wants him out, he should stand up like a man, fire him, and pay him in full. Not hide, like he did after the UM game. Barta is acting like a bureaucrat who won’t take responsibility for his own decisions. Meanwhile, TL has the class (and the necessity, since he’s under contract) to take the questions in full view of humanity.
Mr. Boh Knows ...
BTW,
I might agree with you that he will get his next club into the NCAAs in 3 years — but if so it will be because he manages the transition from the prior coach very differently. I think TL saw things here for the first time and has been learning on the job.
Mr. Boh Knows ...
And therein lies the problem
I don’t have any idea what the coaching community thinks of TL, but I suspect he projects as a good coach, humble guy. If they like him and have the prevailing view that he’ll get team "next "into the NCAAs in three years, they won’t like to see him canned and may grow suspicious of Iowa. True or not, they will give the benefit of the doubt to him and presume, right or wrong, that he was a victim of circumstance and Iowa terminating him was a short-sighted move by a school they might not want to coach for.
Now, it may be naive to think that if Iowa’s tossing money around, a coach would care about what Iowa did to TL. But the kind of coach we want would already have a good thing going somewhere and doesn’t need Iowa. If Iowa cans him, Barta will have to dance around the issue of, again right or wrong, extenuating circumstances and giving Lickliter three years after the Alford mess. I still think the possibility of more transfers is what is driving Barta.
If TL is as popular with the other Iowa coaches as has been promoted
(and I am a little skeptical, because coaches always close ranks), Barta is damaging himself with the other program coaches at Iowa by throwing TL over the side like this, and being weaselly at the Big Ten tourney while TL is forced to answer questions about his employment.
Sorry, no one should be asked to define his employment prospects, when the guy who controls his employment is hiding.
Mr. Boh Knows ...
I agree with the latter part of your post...
But, while the other Iowa coaches may think Lickliter is a “good man,” I doubt they will cry for long about it. Ferentz and Brands are, by now, as close to “Hawkeyes for life” as you get. And I bet they can be persuaded that three bad years (and the third being the worst) is long enough for anyone to get canned.
Plus, I would think that niether Ferentz nor Brands are worried about getting fired right now. I think it might even be worse if Barta forced some sort of staff shake-up on Lick, as then Brands or Ferentz might think “what will happen to me if I have two mediocre or bad years in a row?”
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Mar 13, 2010 7:13 PM CST up reply actions
Ferentz and Brands
would never look at the Lickliter situation as indicative of what could happen to them. They have both delivered major successes on multiple occasions and have enough currency built up with the fanbase and administration to weather a downturn on multiple fronts. Do you think Ferentz would have been able to keep O’Keefe as long as he has without holding some major sway?
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Mar 14, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Again with O'Keefe!
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
Always with O'Keefe.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Mar 15, 2010 3:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Lick should not go
Period. I have absolutely no faith – none – that we can get another coach that will get better talent and get more wins quickly. We gave a complete douchebag 8 years to destroy our school’s basketball culture. We can’t run off 3 consecutive coaches, especially when the last one would’ve been a really nice guy that had the worst circumstances ever.
Ugh.
Man, I just don’t even care anymore. I mean, I care, but I’ve been at varying levels of ambivalence with Iowa BB for so long, I just…. meh. Whatever.
I’ve been a pretty solid Lickliter supporter thus far, but after the past couple weeks that support has waned almost entirely. Mostly though, I’m just ambivalent. If he gets another year…. ok. If he’s gone…. ok. And if he’s gone and we snag somebody really exciting (I think the B10 fraternity of head coaches could use another Bruce, no?), then great – great. My interest will be re-piqued.
But as far as the whole Lick situation goes and whether or not we keep him or can him…. meh. Whatever. It’s entirely out of my hands and I can see pros & cons to both sides, and either way Iowa hoopyball is like eating room temperature chicken noodle soup (from concentrate) for dinner every night – sometimes awful, usually utterly forgettable, and every once in a while pretty good but really it’s mostly just depressingly meh and I’d really rather be doing homeowrk instead or watching something on the Science Channel or Travel Channel or whatever and oh hey nice job with the run-on sentence there, Bucket.
Anyway, whatever. It’s an interesting little drama we’ve got going on but ultimately meaningless and dispassionate.
{shrug}
C’est la vie.
"Do a flip!" - Bender B. Rodriguez
by Bucketochicken on Mar 13, 2010 12:59 PM CST reply actions
Wow...
I feel sorry for you, Bucket.
I mean, everything in that post is exactly like my life, except I eat frozen pizza or a hot pocket.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Mar 13, 2010 2:01 PM CST up reply actions
Oh, my life is great -
We do eat chicken soup almost every night, but it’s freaking delicious. We also pound a lot of vegetables and baked potatoes. Anyway, I guess part of it is that I’m way too fucking busy with actual important things to have the luxury of affording time and emotional energy to The Very Dramatic Todd Lickliter Drama aside from living it vicariously-ish through BHGP. I save all that energy for football season.
I never really liked Hot Pockets.
/Gaffigan’d
"Do a flip!" - Bender B. Rodriguez
by Bucketochicken on Mar 13, 2010 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
Iowa is Dead Pockets
/Gaffigan’d redux
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Mar 13, 2010 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
Wait - Dr. Evil finds hot pockets breathtaking.
Something is REALLY wrong with you dude :)
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by Leftcoast Hawk on Mar 13, 2010 5:07 PM CST up reply actions
"Got-fired-pocket"
/Gaffigan singing in a low voice to Todd Lickliter.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Mar 13, 2010 7:18 PM CST up reply actions




















