It's Not Plagiarism If You Link To It Demands An Apology... And Another Point Guard
Did you think that John Lickliter video was fucked up? Guess who else did: If you were hoping for some justification for your indignation at that weird John Lickliter spoof video thing, good news: Gary Barta's on your side. The athletic director said this:
"I’m going to stand on my feeling that it crossed a line," Barta said Thursday night. "It called out a student-athlete who didn’t deserve it. It’s one thing if we’re struggling and there’s something wrong and someone needs to report on it and if someone wants to get creative and call out me or call out our coaching staff, that’s one thing. But when it goes into highly criticizing a student-athlete, to me that’s just crossing the line."
Barta told the Presidential Committee on Athletics that he sent WHO-TV a letter asking for the station to issue an apology to John Lickliter.
"They took a student-athlete and did a parody or satirical piece and really were critical and ripped on the student-athlete," Barta told the PCA committee. "I’ve written a letter to the station, basically asking them to apologize to the student-athlete. It went far beyond, in my opinion, what would be deemed as acceptable."
As dissenting opinions go, Mike Hlas' is predictably better than usual, and he makes the point that WHO isn't automatically obligated to capitulate to Barta's demands:
I thought the video was kind of a cheap shot at John Lickliter. Saying he has had far worse things said about him on the World Wide Web isn’t an argument in this matter.
But here’s what I see as the cold, hard truth: If John Lickliter wasn’t Todd Lickliter’s son, no one at WHO would have bothered to make that video. When a coach puts his son on the court in Big Ten basketball games and that son has a rough game, insults will almost always follow. No matter how undeserved.
Murphy will likely apologize anyway; he's not the type to declare war over this, and he's already told us he didn't like the video. Still, this raises an important question: how much influence should an AD have over the media who cover his/her school? He can't single-handedly draw the lines, but if he has no say, then what's the point?
"Gary Barta, your thoughts?" PART 2: As if the sting of a local news station's satire weren't enough, Barta had to deal with an even more immediate and conspicuous effect of his basketball team's struggles: an entire section of Carver-Hawkeye Arena turned into an Illini student section. Barta continued the decidedly un-Bloodpunch streak by pointing out the two more immediate problems facing the program: attendance and performance:
"When they showed themselves in their orange gear, the fan in me got riled up," Barta said. "I didn’t like it. I guess I credit them for their creativity and getting it done. At the end of the day, they didn’t do anything wrong.
"We’ve got to take offense to it as fans, and I’m including myself, we’ve got to fill up the house so there aren’t tickets available."
Just before tipoff Wednesday night, Illinois fans dressed in Iowa gear revealed themselves as the "Orange Krush" before Iowa’s game against Illinois. The "Orange Krush" is the nickname for the Illini’s student section at Assembly Hall in Champaign.
From the sound of it, if they planned it months and months in advance and filtered it through several Iowa-based buyers, that would be good to know; it would adequately illustrate how impossible it would be to avoid such a situation without better attendance.
If, on the other hand, someone got an offer for about 160 tickets, all in one section, from somewhere in Urbana, and only for the Illinois game... look, I'm not saying we need to get a TSA thing going in the ticket office, but this is obviously less than ideal. The question Barta needs to ask is, "Can we practically prevent an embarrassment like that ever happening again"? Total guess here, but we're saying "probz."
Iowa's reports tend to indicate the former. Whew.
Just a reminder--Ron Zook's big thing was recruiting: Signing day has come and gone, and we're still just floored at how god-awful the Zooker's recruiting class is. Even when he went to Illinois, the general feeling was "yeah, he won't get the most out of these kids at all, but once he's fired, all you have to do is hire Urban Meyer and boom championship!"
That, um, hasn't happened; Illinois' vaunted 2006 class has come and gone without a bowl win, and this class is complete fucking garbage. We looked at it and clicked on a random 2-star recruit to see if the services were just docking dudes for picking a sub-.500 team like they used to do with Iowa in the early part of the decade. Alas, nein; check out this vaunted offer list:
Yes; Central Arkansas said no; Illinois said yes. It should be noted that the offer went to the young man as soon as Illinois snagged new offensive coordinator Paul Petrino from Arkansas; this wasn't some random "hey let's look for anybody" deal. Still, though. Central Arkansas said no, and Zook said yes. Ron Zook is like Steve Alford on steroids.
THREE YARD OUTZ:
Lord knows we'd be better off than with his cousin, Norwegious Unitarium: Iowa has apparently offered '11 TE/DE Christian French from Cedar Rapids. He's big, fast, and still learning football. He could develop into Jevon Kearse, and he could be as bad as the horrified, mouthbreathing commenters fear (end of the page). You'll want to read these, because, wow.
Lest we fall into the familiar trap of "Kirk Ferentz does things the way only he wants" The P-C has a good article about how Iowa adapted their recruiting strategy to accomodate the growing tendency of recruits to commit early. Wait, you didn't think Ferentz would rethink his entire recruiting strategy? You clearly spend too much time listening to idiot fans and not enough time listening to Ferentz.
And last, remember to support Haiti through the power of humor: You might think everyone's minds have been made up about Haiti. Wait until you see one Facebook user get converted to the cause in beautiful fashion (first item).
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Gary Barta
is preparing a statement criticizing Joe Lunardi for so far leaving the Iowa basketball team out of Bracketology.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
From the French link:
Sure they can teach him all those skills but they cant teach the tenacity and the want to hit. That picture is proof of it. He ‘caught’ most of his tackles
FOOTBALLFAN said:
Cougarfan, you are wrong christian played football long before his sophmore year, he played in tackle football for MYFA when my dad was coaching him. He didnt want to hit then, and he still doesnt want to hit now end of story
"I AM A DIEHARD REDSKINS FAN, CAPS, LEAFS, AND I LOVE WATCHING TENNIS. SO WHATS THE BIG DEAL"
He seems like an odd recruit, given Iowa's tendencies.
Perhaps he has incredible measurables.
Mr. Boh Knows ...
Someone in the comments thread said 6'6" with 4.4 speed...
which would be pretty incredible measurables, if they were actually true (but they probably aren’t).
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
If he had good hands
and his measurables are close to being that, we could have our own version of James Hardy in him.
"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me
by BStylin Hawkye on Feb 5, 2010 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
French Lick
My blog: http://www.gretainthebox.com
by Leftcoast Hawk on Feb 5, 2010 3:01 PM CST up reply actions
No kidding. 20 miles SW of Bedford
I have been down in that part of Indiana. Its basically as close to nowhere as you can get in the Midwest, in terms of being isolated.
My blog: http://www.gretainthebox.com
by Leftcoast Hawk on Feb 5, 2010 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
He bit!
Now reel him in!
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Feb 5, 2010 4:18 PM CST up reply actions
Barta should do his job, which is not chiding television stations for unfunny videos.
You’ve got a program that sold out for a couple of decades that now seats 4500 out of 9100 tickets sold. We put Division II and D-III-caliber athletes, such as the coach’s son, on the floor in the Big Ten and start people who would not play for UNI or be recruited by UNI. We score 46 points in 40 minutes. And we attempt to influence programming at a tv station? What, now Todd Lickleiter needs his boss’s sympathy vote?
This is a never-ending chain reaction car crash, like one of those horrific things on the interstate or autobahn in the fog when the cars and trucks keep piling into each other. Could Iowa beat 5-12 Grinnell? Not 10 times out of 10, I would say, but right or wrong, I would buy a ticket to watch it. Are both TL and GB over their heads? You have to wonder after this episode. Christ, I would have loved to have heard the spewing of profanity and black humor from a Ralph Miller if his boss said he needed to protect him from the press.
Mr. Boh Knows ...
I thnk this videogate thing shows
how shaky the self-esteem is for the Iowa basketball program. They are feeling every slight. I thought Lickliter was turning things around a bit, but it seems they are really just in a survival mode. On one hand I cannot believe they are playing some of these teams as closely as they are, and on the other hand I cannot believe that John Lickliter is needed for 12 minutes a game and that Cougill still looks physically like a pick-up backetball player. When I was 19 years old I lost 20 lbs in the summer just due to the heat. And I had about 8 lbs to lose period. The guys belly is huge by elite conference basketball stadards. I don’t get it.
I’m torn about Lickliter. On one hand I feel as if we have no place to go and have to stick it through with him. On the other hand, I see no killer instinct with this program. So I mostly do what many people do in this situation, I repress it and try not to think about it.
"Gravity cannot be held responsible for Tiger's fall." -- Albert Einstein
Agreed.
We’re talking about people who don’t act like they’re running a major D-I program.
Again, why does UNI get better recruits than Iowa?
Mr. Boh Knows ...
More on Rollin' with the Zook:
Hinton quoted Illinois OL commit Alex Hill in an article he wrote yesterday as saying:
“One of the highest-rated members of the class, Louisiana center Alex Hill, said he chose the Illini over Duke when he prayed about it and decided he’d pick the school whose first letter, ‘I’ or ‘D’, showed up first on the next text message on his cell phone. (”It was my girlfriend, and it was an ‘I’.“) If it had come up ‘D’, the final score might have come up even worse.”
This is a terrible sign for anyone who’s an Illini fan, yet a great sign for anyone who will be playing them next year. Too bad he won’t be there in 2011 when Iowa gets a chance to take them behind the woodshed for a good ‘ol fashioned beatin’.
/Zook’d
They took the bar, the whole fucking bar!
by recoveringfratguy on Feb 5, 2010 9:08 AM CST reply actions
Since when
does Iowa take teams “behind the woodshed” when they are actually supposed to? That game will likely be book-ended by drubbings of Wisconsin and Penn State in their own buildings, but the Hawks will find a way to struggle with the fightin’ Zookers/Brewsters/Turners/Van Gundys (hey, that last one might just work!).
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Feb 5, 2010 9:27 AM CST up reply actions
If Iowa played Illinois this year
I have a feeling this team would make it it’s personal mission to destroy the Zookers. The sting of that loss in ‘08 would be enough fuel to put on the fire to put on a repeat of the 2008 Metrodome demolition. You have Clayborn, Stanzi, DJK, and several others who still remember that game, and would be out for blood. As for 2011, I’m not sure that would be an ideal year for a wood shed beating, as we lose so much depth after this season, but it is fun to think about.
They took the bar, the whole fucking bar!
by recoveringfratguy on Feb 5, 2010 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
Final score would have been 31-7 or so.
Iowa probably would have just pounded them with the run game for 4 quarters and Illinois’s defense was bad enough to give up an 80 yard touchdown pass or two.
"I AM A DIEHARD REDSKINS FAN, CAPS, LEAFS, AND I LOVE WATCHING TENNIS. SO WHATS THE BIG DEAL"
by ReadingRambler on Feb 5, 2010 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
Good to see
the Zooker can steal them recruits from…… Duke? This kid needed divine intervention to choose Illinois over Duke? And he’s one of the highest rated recruits?
Illinois is so fucked. This is gonna be fun.
In 100 years, we'll all be dead.
I don't know if you can call it "Divine Intervention"
…as much as you can call it “sheer luck” for the Illini. Asking God for a sign in a text-message makes me think the big guy upstairs has better things to be dealing with. This isn’t a religious attack, as we stay away from those topics on BHGP, just a casual observation.
They took the bar, the whole fucking bar!
by recoveringfratguy on Feb 5, 2010 9:38 AM CST up reply actions
The funniest thing is...
the deciding text message was only sent by someone PRETENDING to be the kid’s girlfriend.

Bwaaahaahahahahahah! ZookHook strikes again!
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Feb 5, 2010 9:03 PM CST up reply actions
Still, this raises an important question: how much influence should an AD have over the media who cover his/her school?
None. If freedom of speech means anything, it means having the right to criticize. I think Barta is handling this situation well. The video was over the line, there should be an apology and that should be the end of it. If they DON’T apologize, or worse, if the problems continue, then maybe further actions should be considered, but for now lets not blow this thing up.
As for the Orange Crush thing. Does Kinnick North ring any bells? We better not bitch when somebody does that to us. How do we make it stop? Win some fucking games. Then there won’t be enough tickets available for them to pull it off. Until then, we should probably just keep our mouths shut.
In 100 years, we'll all be dead.
Re: Orange Krush
Spot on here. I think it’s pretty damn clever and I applaud them for pulling it off. Then again, it’s not like they took over an entire section of, say Cameron Indoor Arena.
"I know you're from Middle America, and sometimes you feel like you're representing more than just a school or a conference, maybe an entire group of American citizens out there."
by Twin Cities Hawk on Feb 5, 2010 9:48 AM CST up reply actions
Hey, at least we still matter enough for them to try this...
…if we stay near the cellar for too long no one will even care enough to pull stunts like this.
Also, this will make for a firey series the next couple of years. Our guys can’t be too upset this year (probably just happy to have a crowd), but they’ll remember this infiltration for the next couple, and I hope it makes for some high drama in the future. Maybe our “Hawks Nest” should be more upset about this than anyone, cause they got bitchmade by The Orange Fan-ta (See what I did there?).
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Feb 5, 2010 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
Fanta is goooood.
"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me
by BStylin Hawkye on Feb 5, 2010 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
The only difference...
between this year and previous years is that the giant amount of Illini fans were all wearing orange. We have had a ton of Illinois fans buying tix to Carver for several years, and maybe we should just be glad that they had to spend money on buying Iowa clothes this year.
Also, I agree with the “let’s win some games and make it mildly more difficult for them to pull this crap” credo. What else can we do? Tarp off half of Carver? Leave that stupid sh!t to ISU during wrestling.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Feb 5, 2010 9:07 PM CST up reply actions
Re: French - It doesn't matter how talented a high school player is
Invariably, a commenter on an internet article has seen him play, and he isn’t that good.
Now a JUNIOR high school player
well, that’s an entirely different matter. Talk about creepy…
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Feb 5, 2010 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
Wait... if this pans out... can we call him Mr. French?

Ray Winstone, FTW.
"I am in blood stepped in so far that should I wade no more, Returning were as tedious as go o’er." - Adrian Clayborn
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Feb 5, 2010 11:11 AM CST reply actions
It's amazing
How many recruiting coordinators and college scouts read and comment on Iowaprepsports.com
Good to know we’ve offered a terrible football player.
FOOTBALL FAN was brilliant as usual while MEATHEAD clearly didn’t know shit.
by Wegher Please! on Feb 5, 2010 12:00 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Has anyone heard
what the Licks are saying about the video?
by ChryslerKinnick on Feb 5, 2010 12:15 PM CST reply actions
I think the Lickliters...
…are very wisely and correctly saying nothing. I thought the video was in extremely poor taste. I also hope this is but a day or two away from totally blowing over. It’s time.
Yeah...
…it was poor taste, but I really don’t see what the big deal is. WHO /Cowherd’d us, and it worked the same way it works in the L.A. market- – it got people talking about WHO.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Feb 5, 2010 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
I have a feeling the apology
is about the politics of distraction. The story should be about Tucker traveling this weekend and possibly playing and instead it is about this stupid video. I personally thought it was funny. Many didn’t. But what does it really have to do with the product on the floor or attendance? Nothing
I would like to be facebook friends with Terry Strauss
First: I think Barta did right by his squad in speaking out against the Lil Lick video.
That’s generally the coach’s job, but since the coach is also Lick’s pop, that would’ve made for an unnecessarily difficult public matter in the middle of an already difficult season.
Second: When I heard a 13-year-old committed to USC, I was really hoping it was this kid.

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