74-57: Way To Go There Guys Awesome Job No Really
So, um, 74-57. And it was hardly that close. Northwestern opened up leads of 31-11 and 51-26, and Iowa was never within single digits in the last 30 minutes of gameplay.
It's hard to say whether having a short memory would help with a season like this. On one hand, the FIRE JOHN LICKLITER rumblings vary entirely based on how well Iowa has played in its previous game, and that's annoying; win and he's the next Kirk Ferentz, lose and he'll never win another game again.
On the other hand, there's not a whole lot worth remembering about this season; sure, there are wins scattered here and there that could easily be looked at as things to build upon, even if this latest game makes it look like no such building has taken place as yet.
Perhaps the best answer, in terms of maintaining sanity, would be selective memory. That always works, especially in abusive relationships.
Other than that... what can you say? Northwestern whooped Iowa up and down the court. Their matchup zone forced Iowa into a horrific 3-21 performance from behind the 3-point line, and at no point did Iowa look capable of putting together a run to get themselves back in the game until the very end, when Northwestern's entire five on the floor were hammered drunk and wearing lampshades on their heads.
Until that point, though, Northwestern ran their offense at will--and at Jarryd and Andrew and Brennan, or whatever post player Iowa trotted out. Without fail, the Wildcats ran back cut after back cut after back cut, resulting in a parade of layups. At one point, jNWU had connected on their first 11 two-pointers of the game, and none of them were flukes or difficult jumpers. They did whatever they wanted.
Oh, and Girl Shot John Shurna is apparently the deadliest shooter in all of history. He looks like a pituitary-diseased 12-year-old and he plays like a WNBA guard, but he can't be stopped short of Eric May swinging a Louisville Slugger straight into his ribcage. We don't normally advocate assault with a deadly weapon during the middle of a basketball game, but we'd kinda like to see that.
The man of the match for Iowa was nobody. Matt Gatens had a decent-looking 15-8-4 line, but he just plain doesn't look like himself anymore. Just last year, he was rewriting Iowa's record books for 3-point accuracy by a freshman, hitting at a 45% clip; tonight, he was 0-6, and some of the shots were wide open. We'd want someone to ask Lickliter if Gatens is hurt, but the last time someone tried asking him that question, it didn't go very well.
Other than that, who do you want to hail? Jarryd Cole was abused on defense and did nothing on offense. Aaron Fuller fouled out in 20 minutes of play. Cully Payne registered one assist in 33 minutes of play, and that should basically never happen. May was a bricktastic 0-7 from downtown. The reserves scored all of 10 points in 57 minutes, or 28.5% of Iowa's minutes. 9 of those minutes were played by Andrew Brommer, who needed no more than those 9 to foul out. Seriously. As one commenter put it in the game thread, "I'm convinced he doesn't know the rules of basketball," and while that's an awful thing to say about a Division I basketball player, it certainly would go a long way in explaining the enigma that is Andrew Brommer.
As for the next game, this Sunday against Indiana, we certainly hope the players have a short memory. It's Iowa's home finale, and we sure hope Iowa calls it Senior Day and not just Devan Bawinkel Day. Also, if we're not careful, Matt Gatens and half the coaching staff are going to pose as seniors in hopes that that means they can leave. It doesn't work that way, guys. Sorry.
0 recs |
44 comments
|
Comments
I'm not sure I would attend Senior Day. But I just might
attend Devan Bawinkle Day. I mean, that would actually be fun. They should give a complimentary Devan Bawinkle jersey to the 400 or 500 of us in attendance. Pictures with Devan Bawinkle and an autograph. They would of course have to have a midget in a Bullwinkle costume doing trampoline dunks at halftime and then a halftime speech by Devan Bawinkle as his highlight played over the big screen. Prizes, giveways, the whole shebang.
Then every Senior Day under Todd Lickliter hence forth should be called Devan Bawinkle Day. Because, let’s be serious here, it’s a fucking big deal when that guy gets someone to their senior year.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
by StoopsMyAss on Feb 26, 2010 7:06 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Maybe they'll unveil a plague in his honor
No self-respecting man from Iowa goes anywhere without beer
by Hayden Fry's Moustache Ride on Feb 27, 2010 8:24 AM CST up reply actions
retiring his #, is that due_able?
They can put it right next to Sam Okie’s retired Hawkeye jersey.
this place smells like feet. i’ll bring a can of lysol next week.
by pfac51 on Feb 27, 2010 2:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Did I see
a Sam Okey reference?!?
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Feb 27, 2010 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
I'd like to see...
a Bawinkle Bobble-head. At the base of this thing, could be the three point line.
I loved the part of the broadcast of the jNW game where they showed Bawinkle shoot one or two layups during the shoot-around, and then spend the rest of that outside the arc.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Feb 27, 2010 11:03 PM CST up reply actions
Iowa's not the only team that's powerless in the face of the Welsh-Ryan mystique.
Oh, wait, sorry, I guess they are. That was rather…disappointing last night. Surprising? not so much.
Let’s hope for a win on Bawinkle Day and a decent game up at Minnesota next weekend. 5-13 would go down a lot easier than 3-15.
Similiarly
A burger made out of hot donkey shit would go down a lot easier than one made out of broken glass.
No self-respecting man from Iowa goes anywhere without beer
by Hayden Fry's Moustache Ride on Feb 27, 2010 8:33 AM CST up reply actions
Minnesota has...
won 3 of their last 5. The two losses during that stretch were an OT loss at jNW, and a one point loss at the barn against Purdue. Minnesota should probably kick our butt nearly as thoroughly as they did at Carver. Also, they will probably be playing to get a more favorable seed than jNW.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Feb 27, 2010 11:11 PM CST up reply actions
"Turned the corner," eh, Lick?
Might want to go back to that corner and try turning the other way.
Brunettes not fighter jets
txt me when Lick takes the Hawkeyes
to the Sweet NIT-NIT plz
this place smells like feet. i’ll bring a can of lysol next week.
by pfac51 on Feb 27, 2010 2:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
If you want to read about the FOOTBALL version of the Todd Lickliter story
- Came with great acclaim for his “system” from highly successful mid-major. Check!
- Recruited his son to the team, which doesn’t go over very well. Check!
- Says very odd things in the postgame press conferences. Check!
- The school he coached at formerly is now much, much better than his current school. Check!
- Had a nationally ranked recruiting class in third year (#24) that included . Check!
- Not really appreciated by fan base. Check!
- Attendance drops under his watch. Check!
- Athletic Director is sticking with him through his contract. Check!
So, this is probably how the Todd Lickliter story will go from here.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
You can also read about Dan Monson and get the same sort of story as well.
"I know you're from Middle America, and sometimes you feel like you're representing more than just a school or a conference, maybe an entire group of American citizens out there."
by Twin Cities Hawk on Feb 26, 2010 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
Dan Monson, Barry Collier (same mid-major even), Greg McDermott...
…it’s not an uncommon story, and yes, all indications are it’s playing out once again in Iowa City. I want to be wrong. I want to believe. I want to think next year we really do “turn the corner” (and I still think you have to give him year 4), but yikes. Last night stood out as a clunker in a season full of them.
Oh wait, 9 days. If we had only played jNU after 4 days off we would have smoked them. My bad.
by DonnyDonovan on Feb 26, 2010 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
Barry Collier..
Not only the same mid-major, the same fucking school! And that guy took his awesome years at Nebraska and parlayed that into an AD job at…Butler.
Circle of life.
"I know you're from Middle America, and sometimes you feel like you're representing more than just a school or a conference, maybe an entire group of American citizens out there."
by Twin Cities Hawk on Feb 26, 2010 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
The amazingly sad thing
is that I’d love to get back to Monson-at-Minnesota level success but I don’t think Lick is capable of that.
by Angle's Dangle on Feb 26, 2010 7:13 PM CST up reply actions
Something funny happened here
Someone—don’t know who, it doesn’t tell us—marked SMA’s comment for spam. Yes, SMA—a writer for this very website—linked to 10 outside websites with which he has no affiliation, and all in the context of a single, germane point.
Are people using the spam tag ironically or something? If so, stop it.
I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks
by Adam Jacobi on Feb 26, 2010 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
IT'S DIVISION ONE BASKETBALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I would like to see Lick strike this pose during some games, complete with the sunglasses and the unsatisfied smirk:

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Feb 27, 2010 11:22 PM CST up reply actions
The lampshade picture made me forget about Robbie Hummel for a moment
Thank you.
Hammer and Rails
The only Purdue blog at that web address.
Hey!
Didn’t Robbie Hummel just tear his ACL? Oh, sorry…
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Feb 26, 2010 9:18 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That's mean.
"...there'll be some woman, maybe 45 or 50, she'll come up and give me a hug, and I'll give my wife a wink: See? I'm not that old." - Joe Paterno
by ReadingRambler on Feb 26, 2010 9:32 AM CST up reply actions
Sadly,
the lampshade photo is HOW Hummel tore his ACL. The Minnesota game injury footage was just the cover-up.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Feb 27, 2010 11:13 PM CST up reply actions
HAWKS! HOOSIERS! CATCH A FEVER!
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Feb 26, 2010 9:22 AM CST reply actions
The bubonic plague is no laughing matter, sir.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
So...
the fans will be staying away from Carver for legitimate health reasons, if there is a contagious fever to be caught there.
I knew there was a reason I had not made it to Carver this year. I just didn’t know it was to preserve my immune system.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Feb 27, 2010 11:15 PM CST up reply actions
Listening to the game last night,
Dolph said that Brommer was coming into the game, and I thought to myself “here comes a foul”, and sure as shit not 5 second later, Brommer fouled somebody. How does have a scholly again? Is it too much to ask that he turn into a less sucktastic version of Alex Thompson?
Another telling moment came towards the end (the actual end, not the underr 8 in the first half) of the game when Iowa started fouling to save time. A couple possesions in a row, Iowa waited until there were around 15 seconds left on the shot to foul – they weren’t trying to press or trap or go for the steal, they just let 20 seconds burn off. Dolph asked the question “why would let 20 seconds burn off the shot clock if you’re just going to foul anyway” Bobby Hansen had no answer, and said as such. His literal words were “I don’t know, Gary.”
Such is the state of Iowa basketball. Next season has to better than this, right?
I hate to call out typos, but...
On one hand, the FIRE JOHN LICKLITER rumblings vary entirely based on how well Iowa has played in its previous game, and that’s annoying; win and he’s the next Kirk Ferentz, lose and he’ll never win another game again.
I know there are a lot of people, including some who contribute to WHO, who want Lil’ John gone, but I think it’s Todd you meant to talk about here.
No, see it's actually OPS' cunning plan to save the AD some money.
Fire John Lickliter and then watch Todd Lickliter leave in protest, without having to pay any pesky buyout.
That Bloodpunch… always thinkin’ ahead.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Are we allowed to fire John?
Because I think I am actually even more in favor of doing that than I would be firing Todd. I think John contributes to like 30% of my Toddy hatred.
Laney Kiffin?
"It’s just that, reading through this thread, it appears you’re getting your ass kicked." -jtothep
by ReadingRambler on Feb 26, 2010 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
Wait a minute....
Black turtleneck, lampshade…is Eustachy off the wagon?
by Mr. Grizz on Feb 26, 2010 2:32 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Sadly, I would bet not.
I am willing to bet that Southern Miss assigned a “support staffer” to keep two things at least 1000 feet away from Eustachy: coeds, and the Natty Light.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Feb 27, 2010 11:17 PM CST up reply actions
That sucked
Yes. I do see a very small silver lining in the otherwise tornado-spawning cloud…
We were 3 for effin 21 behind the arc. 3 for 21.
It’s reasonable to expect to make between 30 and 40 percent of your 3 point shots. Let’s say 35 percent is “average”, even though our normal 3 point shooters are slightly below that this season. That means they should have made 7 or 8. 12 or 15 more points.
That game, as epicly bad as we were, would have been much different had the shooters not had a bricktastic evening shooting the ball.
Is this the worst Iowa basketball team ever?
Just curious, and probably not. Certainly, it’s the worst of my lifetime. But I don’t really want to dive into the tables and stats and measure and rank order ineptitude, depression, and horror. TL is probably the mbb version of Bob Commings, when we get clear of all this and can think straight.
We’re clearly in a situation, an exaggerated version of which the Skins had last season with Zorn, where the value of the contract controls any staffing move.
Who wants to bet that the next coach does not get a seven-year deal?
Mr. Boh Knows ...
The program will be in such shambles...
that they won’t be able to get a quality coach without a 7-year deal, right? I guess if we go with a no-name, maybe he signs a 5-year, but any improvement will mean a re-up within two years.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Feb 27, 2010 11:19 PM CST up reply actions
If Barta can't recruit
a guy with a 5 year deal ($4-5mm guaranteed) to coach in the Big Ten, then he’s in the wrong job.
If you recall, Ferentz took the job and worked for a year before he even had a contract. Iowa is a good job and a prestigious one. Of course, Ferentz, like Lute Olsen (a community college coach on hiring) was a ‘no-name.’ For that matter, Hayden Fry’s career had gone totally south, his having been canned by SMU and exiled to North Texas State.
I think that TL matches the hiring profile that had worked several times for Elliot: hire a senior guy with established values whose career had not gone from zero-to-60 overnight. TL is from the same school and situation as Thad Motta.
My big fear here is that both TL and Barta are — metaphor here — corporate managers and not entrepreneurs. That is, they’re both good people who fit in and who are great at receiving the reflected glory of whatever institution that employs them. But put them in situations where they have to actually, individually, independently produce something, they struggle. That a guy like TL, three years into his tenure, can’t produce a competitive team while Iowa is eclipsed by UNI, is stunning. That Barta writes a letter to a TV show reveals a smallness and naivete that Elliot or Bowlsby never betrayed. The drudgery that is this basketball club is numbing: basketball is the fun game, not the unpleasant work and pain that is practicing football. Fundamental elements to TL’s system are nowhere in evidence, and why not: after three years, in an offense dependent on gunning threes, they can’t shoot?
Anyway, as Parcells says, the commentary is pointless. You are your record.
Mr. Boh Knows ...
I understand Barta's thinking at the time
on hiring Lickliter. TL was a guy who had been head coach for six years and had been up then down then back up. Showing, on the surface, a kind a resilence. He was a “Midwest” guy. He had a method/system that seemed viable given the state’s talent pool. He was a hot commodity. Meanwhile, Barta needed some good PR to prove he could do his job. Hiring a no name that would have been met with a “sigh” by the fanbase would have, he probably thought, been too much to bear given his newness. What Barta did not really factor in, and this is not rocket science, is that TL had never been above — even for a sniff — midmajor basketball. Ferentz had worked in the NFL, assisted at Iowa. He had mentors from the big time, seen it up close and personal. TL incorrectly assumed that basketball is basketball no matter what level.
All water under the bridge now. Barta can prove his mettle by making clear to the Hawkeye world that this is now a one year contract. Iowa is a winning basketball program and fans deserve a winner, now. The pressure will be unbearable, sure, but the players will know what is expected and the coaching staff will have urgency. Lickliter will probably not make the needed strides (18-20 wins minimum) and he will walk away on his own or be asked to do so. Then Barta will need to do a thorough search, find a guy who knows how to coach of course, but has been at the highest levels of basketball and can be sophisticated enough to reinvigorate the fan base, the players, and then go out and recruit. Lickliter becomes a transitional figure and and in the beginning the new coach credits Lickliter’s recruits with some of his success but soon, very soon, Lickliter is forgotten as he goes on to coach a mid-major in Indiana, maybe Indiana State or something…and probably successfully.
I don’t think Barta has the balls to do this though. This is either going to be a major turnaround by Lickliter or a very messy ending that might set Iowa basketbal back even further.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
I don't think Barta will say that in as many words...
but I do think he won’t have a problem cutting Lickliter loose after next season if things haven’t improved. Regardless of whether or not he should get another season, it seems all but inevitable that he’ll be on the sideline next season. There are too many easy rationalizations for Barta to fall back on: solid recruiting class coming in, young team, wants to give him four full years, etc. That said, those excuses will pretty much expire if we’re still toiling away at 9-20 or whatever next season. A year from now, the practice facility should be done (or close), too, which should also help Barta’s quest for a new hire.
And assuming that Lick is out of the door next year, I do agree that Barta needs to hire a replacement with experience coaching in big-time college basketball. Iowa’s last two hires have come from the mid-major ranks and the adjustment periods have been painful. Aside from whatever problems his personality may have caused, Alford’s biggest problem was having to do so much on the job training at Iowa; I think he was starting to figure things out more in terms of coaching and recruiting a bit in his final years, after he brought on Craig Neal. But by that point the relationship had grown fairly toxic. And, as you noted, Lick had no experience around big-time college basketball. Even Bo Ryan spent eight years as an assistant at Wisco before cutting his teeth as a HC at UW-Plattesville and UW-Milwaukee.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Two objections:
1. I don’t buy the ‘major-major’ thing. I do think basketball is basketball — or else, why is UNI better than Iowa? Well, they play better basketball, and recruit players who can play the coach’s game. Lute Olsen coached at LBCC before Iowa, remember? Hayden was in football Siberia. This is an overweighted conceit.
The difference is some guys are suits in a successful organization, other guys are stirring, entrepreneurial leaders with the hunger to prove a point.
Alford is just a narcissistic jerk; his failings had nothing to do with NWMSU, or whereever he was. He had the pro and D-I background, and he had enough character flaws to be exposed after an interview or two. He was never going to last in IC.
2. The idea that Iowa will win 20 next year is amusing to me. These guys can’t even recruit Catholic League shooters who can drain threes, into an offense that fails if you don’t drain threes; they’re going to Butler instead. I guess I think the decision on TL’s future will be arithmetic-based: does Barta contemplate walking into CHA sometime in February next year and see 2500 people? He ought to. When he does, and then he actually walks into CHA next February and there are 2500 people watching, the decision will be made. MBB has a financial contribution to make or all of Iowa athletics breaks down. All he has to do is a time series on attendance. There is logic in arithmetic. I would love to see the opportunity cost of going 3-21 in year three. $20mm? $30mm? Eventually, the ongoing opportunity cost of driving a great program off a cliff will exceed the personal risk of failing at your (Barta’s) first major hire, and overwhelm the cost of the three year buyout.
Mr. Boh Knows ...
Well, I don't think the goal is even UNI level of play
(and I don’t think you are suggesting that either) …the goal is to dominate UNI, no matter how successful they are in their own conference. So, yes, I think you need a coach with a sense of things that is much, MUCH greater than Lickliter or the UNI coach or Alford. This is the fucking Big Ten and if you bring a coach who merely wants to win 18- 20 games a year finish at .500 in the conference and hope to get an invite to the dance and maybe make the Sweet 16, he is going to get his hat handed to him.
The goal is to be to win the Big Ten, every year. If that takes an entrepreneurial spirit or mindset, so be it, but guys who have never been around the big time have a hard time even knowing what that is. Hayden had been at Arkansas under Frank Broyles and took SMU to Cotton Bowl. So Iowa benefitted from his experience. Lute was a stunning hire and sheer brilliance in hindsight, almost a miracle. He had taken LBS to an undefeated season but that was it. But the stakes are high here. This basketball program is a sinkhole right now. It is not losing money yet, but will begin to next year. the other sports need that money and it is a crime not to be at least a decent basketball program at Iowa.
The more I think about it, the more I think Lickliter will have to go at least .500 in the conference next year and win almost all his non-conference games, and at least one major upset. He has put himself in such a hole at this point. And I don’t think he has much chance to do it. The incoming recruiting class is more of a mixed bag than I had thought. I started reading about them individually and I think Marble is going to need at least a year for his body to fill out. Brust is too raw and maybe a bit unbridled. The Sioux Falls kid sounds like a character disaster. And that leaves one guy who might make a dent. Hope I am wrong, but this class is not a sure fire thing. IN the most optimism I can muster, we are two years away (2012-13 season) doing things Lickliter’s way.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
by StoopsMyAss on Feb 28, 2010 11:02 AM CST up reply actions

by 



















