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Yeah, Ron.  It's the fans' fault.


Slow news day, folks.  Bear with me.

Schadenfreude, Part One.  The Zooker sat down with the Chicago Sun-Times to discuss his Illini's disastrous 2009 campaign, in which Illinois entered as a darkhorse Big Ten championship contender and finished 3-9, capped by one of the most inexplicable last-second losses in the history of the game, a loss so bad it left Charles Davis speechless.  Zook attributes his team's low morale and his poor showing in recruiting to, of all things, the Illinois fan base:

‘‘Sometimes I think as a university and as a group of fans, we shoot ourselves in the foot. The negative recruiting, it all stems from us, from our own people. Rather than getting behind the program, they want to start lambasting it.

‘‘The negative recruiting was the worst I’ve ever seen it this year. But a lot of that is our own people. There’s not enough people that believe this program can be where it can be. You’re changing attitudes. You’re changing beliefs. ‘There they go again. They can’t sustain it.’ When you go back and look at what’s happened the last 25 years, it’s going to take a tough son of a [gun] to get through that.

‘‘What you have to do is educate your players so they understand that’s part of it. Particularly when you have a bunch of young guys who have trouble handling it. They read the papers. The e-mails I’m getting, they’re probably getting the same things. Pretty soon it’s like, ‘Damn, does anybody care?’"

As Doc Saturday correctly points out, the negative attitude of Illini fans could be attributed, at least in part, to the fact that this talent-rich roster was really bad at playing football.  Illinois was utterly atrocious on defense, finishing last in the conference in virtually every meaningful statistic; the offense in general, and Juice Williams in particular, weren't much better.  Despite making a Rose Bowl in 2007-08, Zook is 18 games under .500 in his five seasons in Champaign.  At some point it's no longer negative recruiting; it's objective reality.

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WIN FIGHT TRY BEST SEVEN AND FIVE

Schadenfreude, Part Two.  The Daily Gopher's Buck Bravo gets all Georgia Techy and breaks out the charts and graphs for his preview of Minnesota's 2010 season.  After examining historical Sagarin ratings and finding that the 2009 Gophers -- unquestionably Tim Brewster's best squad in his three years with Minnesota -- is the rough equivalent of Glen Mason's worst squad, he looks into the matrix and finds seven wins.  Well, maybe seven wins:

Using 2009 rankings as a comparison, there are five games that Minnesota will probably lose and four games that they will probably win. That would leave three games in limbo that could be the difference between 4-8 and 7-5. So, based upon a premature look using 2009 data, a 6-6 season wouldn't be all that bad and a 7-5 season should be the realistic target. An eight win season may be a long shot....

Since my glass is usually half full on these matters, I'll predict a 7-5 regular season that draws criticism from the usual suspects.

The wins are Purdue, Illinois, Northern Illinois, and South Dakota.  Included in the three toss-up games are Michigan State, Northwestern, and erstwhile cupcake Middle Tennessee State (which won 10 games last season).  I'm not saying Gopher fans should prepare for 4-8, but...actually, that's exactly what I'm saying.

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Ron Zook to me is an older, more broken down version

of Lane Kiffin. I expect Kiffin, aka Zooker 2.0, to suffer a similar career trajectory.

"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.

by StoopsMyAss on Feb 23, 2010 7:57 AM CST reply actions  

Disagree.

Kiffin found a GENIE OF NEPOTISM AND INCOMPETENT ADs which allows him to advance to positions normally attained by better coaches.

"...there'll be some woman, maybe 45 or 50, she'll come up and give me a hug, and I'll give my wife a wink: See? I'm not that old." - Joe Paterno

by ReadingRambler on Feb 23, 2010 8:26 AM CST up reply actions  

And blaming everybody but himself?

Actualy, I don’t know for sure that Kiffen has done that. I don’t know that he has even acknowledged that he has any problems.

I get what Zook is saying, he’s in a negative feedback loop. He can still make that statement and not sound like a crybaby as long as he acknowledges that:
A) He started it by not winning games.
B) He can end it by winning games

Doesn’t matter, he’s got one year left at Illionois. He should be gone now, only money and the UIUC admissions scandal saved him.

In 100 years, we'll all be dead.

by Flakbait on Feb 23, 2010 9:23 AM CST up reply actions  

All I know....

Is that he made Al Davis look like the good guy out in Oakland.

That’s just batshit crazy to me.

by mikjones24 on Feb 23, 2010 9:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Are you kidding Zook?

Chicago may be the worst when it comes to bitching about how shitty their team is and how badly they need to replace the coach\QB\GM when the team doesn’t meet their lofty expectations.

by J.R. Angle has a posse on Feb 23, 2010 8:26 AM CST reply actions  

I don't think

that expecting more than 1 World Series in 200+ years of baseball is expecting too much.

And Zook’s lucky, nobody around here really pays much attention to Illinois. I work in the ‘burbs, my building has over 1,500 people. You don’t see hardly any Illinois gear.

In 100 years, we'll all be dead.

by Flakbait on Feb 23, 2010 9:47 AM CST up reply actions  

"Reptillian" is ...

the nicest word I’ve ever heard used to describe Chicago sports media.

And be nice Flak, or my man Ozzie Guillen might cuss you out in a language only he understands.

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

by Blackheartnopants on Feb 23, 2010 10:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Reptillian

Listening to sports radio in that city is hard to do considering that they all remind me a little bit of Jim Rome, and that guy needs to be put in a rocket and shot into the sun….if you ask me.

by J.R. Angle has a posse on Feb 23, 2010 12:49 PM CST up reply actions  

As a Chicagoan

I have never heard the words “epic” or “rack me” uttered on Chicago sports radio.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Feb 23, 2010 11:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I think that has more to do with Illinois alums, though.

I work in the ’burbs too, although with a number of Illinois alums. I am constantly amazed by how fickle they are as a fan base. In fact, some of them will say as much. They follow Illinois when Illinois is good. Otherwise, meh.

by Abbas_Cincinnatus on Feb 24, 2010 9:14 AM CST up reply actions  

That's because

they are a basketball school. They know it and we know it. Sure, they like winning football, but they’d rather watch the Bears win. A hoops title is their elusive Holy Grail.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Feb 24, 2010 7:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Good luck attaining that Holy Grail...

while they have Captain Raspy Voice as their coach. He had his best shot with the Deron Williams team.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Feb 24, 2010 7:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Um,

you mean the James Augustine team, right?

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Feb 24, 2010 8:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, naturally.

He was unjustly robbed of the Naismith Award that year.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Feb 24, 2010 8:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Pinning your hopes and dreams to Juice Williams

(or guys nicknamed Juice period) is a bit like sodomizing a chicken in public: people will stare in wonder for a little while (2007 Juice) but the cops will eventually show up and throw your ass in the deepest, darkest cell they can find (2008+ Juice).

The moral of the story: don’t have sex with animals in public.

Keeping wildlife, an amphibious rodent, for uh, domestic, you know, within the city - that aint legal either, Dude.

by AcrimoniousAngerererer on Feb 23, 2010 9:00 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

That is the weirdest, yet oddly accurate, analogy I’ve ever read.

by imadirtyoldman on Feb 23, 2010 9:39 AM CST up reply actions  

One of the surefire Lolpher wins is against Purdue????

Hmmmm’ don’t know about that one. Could be 3-9, woodchucks.

by HawkeyePapyrus on Feb 23, 2010 9:01 AM CST reply actions  

Yeah, really.

Purdue might be pretty decent this year.

"...there'll be some woman, maybe 45 or 50, she'll come up and give me a hug, and I'll give my wife a wink: See? I'm not that old." - Joe Paterno

by ReadingRambler on Feb 23, 2010 9:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Purdue

is going to be a pain in the ass for the whole conference this year.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Feb 23, 2010 11:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, not Iowa.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Feb 23, 2010 11:38 PM CST up reply actions  

My sister

is a senior there. So if they’re good, yes, it’ll be a pain for Iowa with me as their proxy.

By the way, she has some super-creepy Kris Kramer stories…

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Feb 23, 2010 11:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Please share.

"...there'll be some woman, maybe 45 or 50, she'll come up and give me a hug, and I'll give my wife a wink: See? I'm not that old." - Joe Paterno

by ReadingRambler on Feb 24, 2010 8:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I wish I hadn't posted that.

They are actually still friends, so I don’t want to do anything stupid to make her pissed at me. Just consider it internet-fueled boasting…but seriously, the dude is creepy.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Feb 24, 2010 8:11 PM CST up reply actions  

:(

I have a friendo at BSD who hates Kramer. Just utterly hates him as a player. Is he creepy enough to know my friendo, I wonder.

"...there'll be some woman, maybe 45 or 50, she'll come up and give me a hug, and I'll give my wife a wink: See? I'm not that old." - Joe Paterno

by ReadingRambler on Feb 24, 2010 8:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Michigan State

is a “maybe”. Unless all of the suspended players get booted off the team, I’m not sure how that’s a maybe.

See, this whole post should have been dedicated to the Zooker & LOLpher stories. I could have been called “Battle For The Basement”.

In 100 years, we'll all be dead.

by Flakbait on Feb 23, 2010 9:50 AM CST up reply actions  

"Battle For The Basement"

That has a nice ring to it.

"The possibility of physical and mental collapse is now very real. No sympathy for the Devil, keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride." HST

by Dip-Shit on Feb 23, 2010 9:51 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm thinking

that this fall may feature a weekly update on how the fight is going. Maybe.

In 100 years, we'll all be dead.

by Flakbait on Feb 23, 2010 10:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Or

“Battle for the Bottom”
“Race for the Suck”
“Weekly Awful Watch”
“Cellar-dweller Slap-fight of the Week”

Brunettes not fighter jets

by rockyh on Feb 23, 2010 2:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Or

“The Hunt for Dread October”
“Big Ten Representative for the Blows Bowl”
“Basketball Watch”

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Feb 24, 2010 12:15 AM CST up reply actions  

The Hunt for Dread October.

That’s gold.

"...there'll be some woman, maybe 45 or 50, she'll come up and give me a hug, and I'll give my wife a wink: See? I'm not that old." - Joe Paterno

by ReadingRambler on Feb 24, 2010 8:10 PM CST up reply actions  

It was that or

OhNo!vember

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Feb 24, 2010 8:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Hunt for Dread October is just too good.

"...there'll be some woman, maybe 45 or 50, she'll come up and give me a hug, and I'll give my wife a wink: See? I'm not that old." - Joe Paterno

by ReadingRambler on Feb 24, 2010 8:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I was thinking more along the lines of

“Days of Failure”

"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me

by BStylin Hawkye on Feb 25, 2010 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

"Days of Blunder"

now we’re heading in the right direction.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Feb 25, 2010 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey now.

Bill Lynch wants in on that shit, too. Don’t be leavin’ out the Hoosiers.

They’ve been at this “worst in the Big Ten” longer than those other two poseurs…

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Feb 23, 2010 9:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Indiana

is indeed an annual contender. For some reason though, I have a soft spot for the Hoosiers. I think it has to do with a weekend involving a Hoosier girl named Carolyn, a half ounce of something or the other and no clothes.

Except for when they play us, then I just want them destroyed.

In 100 years, we'll all be dead.

by Flakbait on Feb 23, 2010 9:59 AM CST up reply actions  

What if when you played them

There was a full ounce of something or other?

"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess

by jtothep on Feb 23, 2010 12:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Would I also

get twice as many Hoosier girls?

Because, the old lady would not approve.

In 100 years, we'll all be dead.

by Flakbait on Feb 23, 2010 1:48 PM CST up reply actions  

It's sad

Bill Lynch even gets screwed over here. I can almost smell the chewing gum.

"Well of course, there's nothing better than being American!!!" - Ricky Americanzi, Jan. 5th, 2010

by The Bacon Explosion on Feb 24, 2010 7:39 AM CST up reply actions  

From what I hear...

The Boilers are supposed to be pretty good next year. I’m glad we don’t play them…

No, LOL. Just kidding.

If Danny Hope doesn’t pull too many “Les Miles” in the 4th quarter they should be much more improved.

by mikjones24 on Feb 23, 2010 9:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Zook is like a bad rerun of Alford

1. Ushered in on the fans shoulders as the program’s savior and quickly takes the players developed by his predecessor to a bowl game. 2. The team begins a quick slide to mediocrity and eventually the fans discover the savior is all smoke and mirrors. 3. The savior blames mediocrity on the fans and anyone/thing else other than themselves. 4. After securing an undeserved contract extension he will quietly start shopping his smoke and mirrors to some mid-major conference school. 5. When he arrives on campus at Directional State U, he will announce how great it is to finally be at a “football school” rather than those losers at that basketball school, Illinois. 6. Repeat steps 1-4 at Directional State U.

If you feel like singing along, don't.
James Taylor

by Kluginator on Feb 23, 2010 10:31 AM CST reply actions  

When does he recruit...

Pierre Pierce?

Too soon?

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

by Blackheartnopants on Feb 23, 2010 10:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Word on the street is

Lane Kiffin has offered Pierre Pierce’s unborn, illegitimate son a scholarship.

"The possibility of physical and mental collapse is now very real. No sympathy for the Devil, keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride." HST

by Dip-Shit on Feb 23, 2010 11:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Pierre Pierce's unborn, illegitimate son

Just fucking called my cell phone 86 times in the past three hours

"I know you're from Middle America, and sometimes you feel like you're representing more than just a school or a conference, maybe an entire group of American citizens out there."

by Twin Cities Hawk on Feb 23, 2010 2:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Buck Bravo can use all the mathy crap he wants.

When I look into my crystal ball to predict this fall, I see a few empty bottles of whiskey strewn about.

Everyone fails. The successful learn from their failures. I just wish we'd quit giving ourselves so many learning opportunities.

by WhiteSpeedReceiver on Feb 23, 2010 3:41 PM CST reply actions  

Watching that Fresno St./Illinois clip makes me giddy.

That’s all. (Giddy isn’t a feeling I experience all too often.)

by NHguy on Feb 23, 2010 5:28 PM CST reply actions  

Who doesn't love Fat Guy Touchdowns(TM)?

Of course, this was actually a Fat Guy Two-Point Conversion. But close enough.

by SpartanDan on Feb 23, 2010 8:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey OPS...

is there any way to get a gauge (much like in the new quit smoking ads with the smoking sucks really bad vs. smoking is just ok) with Brew on one side and Zook on the other. Then, throughout the season, it tilts toward whoever is more likely to get canned. I’m sure it would be a feature that everyone would be glued to all season long!!

by hawk4trees on Feb 23, 2010 9:10 PM CST reply actions  

But what does it do when they both get canned?

Double needle?

"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable

by ClaybornSmash on Feb 23, 2010 10:11 PM CST up reply actions  

makes a flushing sound

"Well of course, there's nothing better than being American!!!" - Ricky Americanzi, Jan. 5th, 2010

by The Bacon Explosion on Feb 24, 2010 7:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Pray to God

that Brew doesn’t get canned. He is the gift that keeps on giving. Plus, I have a weird apocalyptic vision that the newly-generous Minnesota athletic department would make a plea to alum, Tony Dungy, to lead them from the wilderness. I don’t have to go into detail why that would not be optimal.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Feb 23, 2010 11:38 PM CST up reply actions  

PLEASE GOD STAY!

"Well of course, there's nothing better than being American!!!" - Ricky Americanzi, Jan. 5th, 2010

by The Bacon Explosion on Feb 24, 2010 7:37 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm rooting for 7-5 seasons for both.

I would love for Brewster and Zook to become institutions at their respective schools by continuing to deliver just enough mediocrity to keep themselves from getting canned.

That said, I don’t know where Illinois is going to get seven wins from. It will be a success if they split their non-conference slate.

by Abbas_Cincinnatus on Feb 24, 2010 9:20 AM CST up reply actions  

We did give Mason 10 years, and we're still paying him.

Just pointing out that Mediocrity is well-rewarded in Minnesota.

Everyone fails. The successful learn from their failures. I just wish we'd quit giving ourselves so many learning opportunities.

by WhiteSpeedReceiver on Feb 24, 2010 11:15 AM CST up reply actions  

See also: Kevin McHale's interminable reign of blandness with the T-Pups.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Feb 24, 2010 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

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