That John Lickliter Video's Kind of Messed Up
[UPDATE: We almost never bump up stories, especially ones that are only a day or two old, but Keith Murphy graciously returned our email asking for more information on the airing of this ad. It's only fair to bring that to equal attention. The statement is posted in full below, after the jump. (SPOILER: He calls you all stupid-headed ninnymuffins.) (DOUBLE SPOILER: No he does not.)]
As frequent readers of BHGP know, we're always happy whenever the guys at Sports Sound-Off at WHO put out a new fake video; the previous iterations were of the Fake Gary Dolphin/Ed Podolak variety for the UNI and PSU games. Good times had by all.
But this past weekend, they aired one that didn't quite strike the same chord in terms of subject, tone, or, um, non-dickishness. Observe:
Now, okay look. We're on record as having a problem with the "Li'l Lick" nickname, because it's weird and gross (Li'l John, guys, please), but fine, whatever. Change isn't instantaneous, and at least they made a joke with the Lick thing. Fine.
That aside, though, what the hell is that about? Not to go all Sioux City Journal on everyone, but is this really something that John Lickliter deserves? He's a freaking walk-on who's only playing because there's just about literally nobody else at point guard (we maintain that Nick Neari is fictional). Even Coach Dad acknowledges there's some struggle to look forward to there:
"John has a very good understanding of how to compete. The negatives on him are, he's my offspring, so he's not a good athlete, and he doesn't have good size. But he is able to make good plays in spite of that."
That's hardly the type of rah-rah cheerleader dad stuff the video references. We get that that part was a joke, but satire has to have a ring of truth to it, otherwise it's just tone-deaf; the last thing Lickliter's done is try to tell fans that Li'l John's a really good player. He won't insult his son or anything, but everyone knows the limitations here. Further--wait, Mike Gundy, you had something to say on the matter?
We've said before that the ideal situation for Lickliter is to spend four years on the bench next to his dad, never playing a single (meaningful) minute, and we suspect the sentiment was largely the same among the Lickliters Younger and Elder. Mainly the Elder.
This isn't quite as distasteful as the student section booing Adam Shada or Kyle McCann; that's direct disrespect from fellow students on the field of play, and that's just plain unconscionable. This is still bad, but in a different way--mainly, that it comes via a MSM organization. We realize Sound-Off NOT EQUALS the evening news broadcast, but Keith Murphy's still Keith Murphy; if Kirk Ferentz started spewing racial slurs during his weekly show with Dolph, we wouldn't accept "but I wasn't coaching at the time so you can't discipline me as coach" as an acceptable excuse, after all. We're not saying that Murphy should be fired or anything--that's total overreactionary bullcrap that we need to get away from--but someone who leads a media organization's sports coverage really should know better.
Look, just like we said about Cougill last month, John Lickliter is a grown-up, and it's not our job to shield him from a cruel world or whatever. That doesn't change the fact that WHO launched a pretty cheap shot at a guy who certainly doesn't deserve it, and we hope they show a little better judgment when it comes to choosing players to (I hate this word but whatever) spoof.
UPDATE: Here's, in full, what Keith Murphy told us in an email this afternoon:
I appreciate you taking the time to write and ask for my opinion on Chris Hassel's spoof Sunday night.
I will tell you that the Lickliter piece also made me uncomfortable. Had I seen it before it aired, I would have asked for changes. (Chris likes his taped pieces to air as we see them for the first time so that our on-air reaction is honest. We will re-think this.) I thought the Liclkliter spoof went over the line. However, the segment should not be confused, as you rightly point out, with journalism or a report in one of our Emmy award-winning newscasts. It's SoundOFF, a sports and entertainment show featuring strong opinion, passionate viewer feedback, and hopefully, a few laughs.
Again, I did not care for the target of the Lickliter spoof, but I'm glad we have such a popular forum for dissenting views and opinions. I have been stunned how popular the segment was and how many people loved it. I'm also aware of the many people who did not care for it. Satire is highly subjective. What's over the line for someone often depends on their biases and views going in. Humor, as you no doubt know, also often takes on a slight tone of mean-spiritedness. The line to not cross mostly depends whom you ask.
When Chris told me the general idea of his latest spoof, my advice was to "make sure it doesn't come across as mean toward John. He's just a kid doing his best." Chris didn't think it was mean. I know he feels bad that he offended (some) people. I don't agree with the content or message of What's Bugging Andy each week, and I don't agree with everything Chris Hassel does or says, but I will passionately stand by their right to say it. (We are fortunate to have bosses who feel the same way.)
Thank you for your time and consideration. We appreciate you watching.
Sincerely,
Keith Murphy
That's certainly a fair and acceptable response. Hope there's an apology waiting for John Lickliter in next week's episode, then we can be done with this silly shit. That's all.
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I have yet to hear anything from those guys at WHO that is funny.
I assume that’s why they are still at WHO.
by HeartOfHawkness on Feb 2, 2010 5:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The fake Dolph and Eddie things were funny.
I’ll gladly give them that.
I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks
by Adam Jacobi on Feb 2, 2010 6:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I sent an email last night and got a response in less than 30 minutes. Granted it was a word for word copy of the canned response that BHGP got.
by arrrgh on Feb 5, 2010 8:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get it.
I just don’t. What did he say that was all that bad? Everyone knows, including his father, that John Lickliter shouldn’t be playing useful minutes at the level he is. You can argue where this ranks comedically, it’s certainly not in the same league as the Dolph/Podolak UNI video, but to say it’s anything other than a joke is bordering on political correctness run amok.
PS Save the “he’s just a kid” line. There are kids younger than him getting killed in our two wars on a near daily basis. He’s not a kid.
"I'm not doing any good back here."
by Hawkaloogie on Feb 2, 2010 6:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ah... hem...
…I wasn’t going to say anything about it, other than I wish I had my two minutes (or whatever) back, but then I read this reply and…
…hmmm… first of all, I guess I get the age point you’re trying to make, but please let’s not invoke our boys in blue cammo (America, FUCK YEAH!) to make a point about a guy, playing college basketball, in the middle of the country, on a sub-.500 team, whose own father says he’s “not a good athlete.”
Apples and Oranges. And completely inappropriate for the situation.
Still, I agree that he’s a man. However, he’s also all of the things previously listed. So he’s suffering enough (if ya know what I mean). Why would WHO kick a bunch of guys while they’re down? It’s just poor form, and as has been stated, they should have known better. The previous Dolph & Ed stuff was amusing because it’s a caricature of them (albeit slightly cruel in nature, the same as this Lil’John video).
The current video is almost pointing and laughing… while these young men, many of whom can’t legally buy and consume BEER (the true measure of a man- – not that it’s stopped them), have to endure a losing season the last thing they need is two dick-holes with broadcast rights from the FCC to be piling on. In any other season Lil’John walking on and playing significant minutes due to others’ injuries/foul trouble/indiscretions, it would be a positive story that he’s logging minutes without significantly hurting the team (yes, he has messed up, but he’s a redshirt freshman). Okay, he’s the coach’s son. Big deal. Next point… next point.
My main problem is that if this had been some guy across the hall in Hill Crest (or where ever John lives) posting this to YouTube, then okay, it’s funny. It’s funny because obviously he’s a fan because no one else would take the time to be that douchey, and there in lays the joke. The only other person who would take the time is someone who’s being paid to be douchey. And that’s the root of my problem. I can’t tell where the douche stops and the joke starts because this video just plain mean spirited.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Feb 2, 2010 9:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What just happened?
I blacked out for a few minutes and… shit, did I just write all that?
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Feb 2, 2010 9:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's the old saying...
I can pick on my brother, but you had better not. It’s about the principle of it.
Who's leg do I have to hump to get a drink around here?-Brian
by fliphawk4 on Feb 3, 2010 11:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't a fan
of the first two “spoofs.” But this one is overstepping some sort of line, obviously.
by the Bootyologist on Feb 2, 2010 6:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
My first guess
as to why you hate the word spoof is because of it’s tonal similarity to, and, thusly, infringement upon, the great word spooge.
Am I close?
"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess
by jtothep on Feb 2, 2010 6:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Nope.
It’s just a stupid word.
I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks
by Adam Jacobi on Feb 2, 2010 6:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You mean it doesn't remind you of
“Boof”, Michael J. Fox’s love interest in Teen Wolf?
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Feb 2, 2010 9:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I bet
you also liked Boner Stabone.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Feb 2, 2010 10:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What I don't get is the PERSONAL nature of it.
When have you ever EVER seen a video or spoof or whatever from the local media making fun of a current player in good standing? What the fuck is wrong with these guys?
Honestly, I can’t recall a single instance of people making fun of a college athlete in that manner, especially of a player who is probably in a little over his head thru no fault of his own.
I think those guys should go FUCK themselves, frankly, and if John was my kid I’d not hesitate to call them up and tell them to do that myself: FUCK YOU.
He’s an amateur athlete working a helluva lot harder than those assholes are and he doesn’t deserve their ridicule. It doesn’t matter if it’s funny or not (and make no mistake: IT’S NOT). It’s not right, period. Tweaking a successful player tongue-in-cheek for a funny habit or something is one thing—ridiculing a kid just trying to do his best is another.
If any of you know these guys, tell them FUCK YOU for me, will ya?
As you can tell, I think what they did is total horseshit. I wish I watched their bullshit program just so I could fucking stop watching it.
"If you want to become a man--come to Iowa" All American IOWA LB PAT ANGERER, whose best friend is a dog.
by The Director on Feb 2, 2010 6:10 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Thank you for saying..
what need to be said. Murphy had the decency to reply to BHGP, but to air the stupid piece of video in the first place shows a serious disconnect with reality. And what exactly is Murphy’s lame excuse that Hassell gets to air his video spoofs with no one else seeing them before it airs? To foster “authentic” responses? So Hassell could conceivably show something as egregious as Dick Chaney in his underwear with no one vetting it before it goes on the air?
We also get the lecture about satire being highly subjective. Thanks, Mr. Obvious. That’s why not everyone can do good satire, because it takes enough intelligence to pull it off correctly.
by DodgerHawki on Feb 4, 2010 11:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, mispelled...
Dick Cheney. Not to disparage Dick Chaney, whoever that is.
by DodgerHawki on Feb 4, 2010 11:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Murphy response
I would get too happy about Murphy’s response. I sent them a message and got the same exact word for word canned response.
by arrrgh on Feb 5, 2010 8:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This was the first time I'd seen it.
It was as unfunny as I expected.
MORE ZAZZ! I DEMAND MORE ZAZZ!
by Bucketochicken on Feb 2, 2010 6:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Anything to get lil lick off the floor is fine with me
USA #1
by Anonymous Hero on Feb 2, 2010 7:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The problem, as I see it
isn’t that Lick plays poorly when he’s on the floor. It’s that he has to play at all. Doesn’t say much about the state of the program. To me, the Lick on the bench is more worrisome than the Lick (occasionally) on the floor.
by shada's revenge on Feb 2, 2010 7:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Guess what?
Big Lick was quoted just yesterday as saying lil lick has earned more playing time Awesome!
USA #1
by Anonymous Hero on Feb 2, 2010 7:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but that has nothing to do with this video.
I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks
by Adam Jacobi on Feb 2, 2010 8:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
just because he’s not as good, tall etc as a BXI bball player should be does not give the media any right to put something like this on live television.
by Pain in the Sash on Feb 2, 2010 8:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll gladly add something constructive
In saying that it’s not that I want Keith Murphy to die…it’s just that I don’t want him to exist. There is literally nothing funny about Talk Sports. It’s kind of like watching Viva La Bam where we’re supposed to see how outrageous this guy and his group of friends are. But realistically, you could stick anyone in that slot and still get the same result. Or to put it another way, stick any sarcastic asshole in Keith Murphys spot, and you would have the same TV show.
by mikjones24 on Feb 2, 2010 8:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
that
was a pretty dickish move. bad form
No more of that talk or I'll put the fucking leeches on you, understand? Raoul Duke
by wowski on Feb 2, 2010 8:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I really hate WHO
they are very anti-Iowa and always look for a reason to get down on the Hawkeyes. I have yet to see a spoof of anything Iowa State. Nothing ridiculing their 3 total wins in the last 2 years prior or them consistently underachieving in basketball with above average teams. They’ve ragged on Iowa before but I am just appalled that they would single out a player like that. I mean, yeah, we rag on him from time to time here but this isn’t a news program meant to teach people about current events. For Christ’s sake this is something you see on SNL. I wonder how this got through. I mean, not one person said, “hey, this isn’t in good taste?” That kid works his ass off and does the best he can. Fuck WHO and their smart ass journalists. Actually, fuck the des moines media in general. WHO can go to hell and take The Register’s Sports writers with it.
by Pain in the Sash on Feb 2, 2010 8:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It is easy to rag on a team …
…when they have dominated the state the way that the Hawks did in the 1980’s and 1990’s.
Sure Iowa State had the occasional good basketball team in the 1990’s, but Iowa was on top for most of those two decades. We know that rivalries really get to people, especially when you are on the losing side.
…give me the courage and the ability to so conduct myself in every situation that my country, my family, and my friends will be proud of me.
-Nile Kinnick
by Hawkeyewith49Jackrabbits on Feb 3, 2010 6:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't even have words to describe how stupid that was.
What were they thinking?
"I AM A DIEHARD REDSKINS FAN, CAPS, LEAFS, AND I LOVE WATCHING TENNIS. SO WHATS THE BIG DEAL"
by ReadingRambler on Feb 2, 2010 9:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It's tennis. That's the big deal.
(I do too)
by imadirtyoldman on Feb 3, 2010 7:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Li'l Lick
The most bothersome thing is that Li’l Lick plays for the Hawkeyes. Period.
Nothing against Li’l Lick as a person, or Lick as a head coach, but it’s a SAD, SAD commentary on the state of Iowa hoops to see Li’l Lick getting meaningful minutes. He’s a good D-III player at best. He might not even start at UW-Whitewater.
by Bizryter on Feb 2, 2010 9:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Whatever, he's here and we might as well look at it another way...
…who would be out there if Lick wasn’t here? Would he make some outrageous 3s (sure he takes some bad shots too, I’m not blind- – how would the fictional Nick Neari fare)?
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Feb 2, 2010 9:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lick's biggest asset is his tenacity...
…and yeah, I just laughed a little too, but go back and watch the Sparty and OSU games when lick was on their little guys. He didn’t get burned a lot in either of those games and there were multiple lengths of time when he had the opponent frustrated (probably because they were like “Shit, this accountant is tenacious!”)- – yes, I’m still giggling thinking about it, but it’s true.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Feb 2, 2010 9:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's to next year...
…when we shouldn’t need him. When he does get in we’ll be happy because it will mean that we are winning big.
/laughing
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Feb 2, 2010 9:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tenacious D
I like where your head is at with this tenacious accountant thing — I need one of those dudes for my taxes this year.
But I’m sorry, I’m not buying that Li’l Lick plays tough D or whatever. Sure the effort might be there, but effort doesn’t equate to legit tenacity.
by Bizryter on Feb 2, 2010 9:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I straight up watched the OSU player he was guarding make the buggy face right before half time...
…because Lil’John was all over him.
Of course I’m not saying he’s a great defender, but I’m suggesting that he’s a spark plug at times and his defense hasn’t been given any consider… consid… c..
….Bbbbtttththththththtwwwwaaaaahahahahahahahahahaha.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Feb 2, 2010 11:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Watch the Purdue game again.
’Nuff said.
"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me
by BStylin Hawkye on Feb 3, 2010 10:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mr Bizryter, in my overinflated opinion the point is..
John Lickliter is one of the good guys and as long as he wears the Hawkeye black and gold with honor, plays hard, gives it all he has on the court and respects the school and his team then we should have his back. If you enjoy backstabbing one of our guys then I will paraphrase my man Ricky Stanzi and say to you that this is the University of Iowa. The greatest place in the universe. Love it or be called a douche bag by those who do. Now I say good day to you!
If you feel like singing along, don't.
James Taylor
by Kluginator on Feb 3, 2010 8:42 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Li'l John? Instead of Li'l Lick? Please?
I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks
by Adam Jacobi on Feb 2, 2010 10:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can someone clue me in to the "Buddy Boy" inside joke?
Am I just missing something?
by mattbednar on Feb 2, 2010 9:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Dolphin's favorite phrase...
for referring to Podolak during football games. Usually uses it when something exciting has happened.
by ICHawk on Feb 2, 2010 10:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Like when
he is breaking down what just happened to boobies?
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Feb 2, 2010 10:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There's really no reason to put any more links to that.
by HawkeyeRecon on Feb 2, 2010 10:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As long as there are pictures of Tom Selleck atop waterfalls gazing at sandwiches
there will be reasons to link to Ed Podolak’s drunken indiscretions.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Feb 2, 2010 10:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, I'm on Recon's side here.
Bad form. Not a yellow card by any stretch, cleats were down, but definitely a foul.
I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks
by Adam Jacobi on Feb 2, 2010 10:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, he dove and you bought it, ref.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Feb 2, 2010 11:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Shows how much I know.
The only time I hear them is on my way home from Iowa City.
by mattbednar on Feb 3, 2010 12:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am less insulted by this as some people that have posted
but this is really not funny. I am disappointed. I was at least slightly amused by the UNI and Penn St. thing because Dolph and Eddie are easy targets. This is just poor taste and poorly done.
by shada's revenge on Feb 2, 2010 9:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It's not funny at all.
Not terribly offensive either.
by Bizryter on Feb 2, 2010 9:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You shouldn't be insulted
just disturbed that a media outlet would deem it necessary to lampoon a student athlete whose biggest sin is being “good” enough to play on a bad team in a very down time. Lickliter didn’t run the program into the ground, he didn’t get a scholarship, he didn’t get arrested for public intoxication and he doesn’t intentionally draw attention to himself. His problem is that he is getting the opportunity to do something that he presumably loves to do simply because there aren’t enough people around better than he is. That’s not his fault and he should not be openly mocked by major network affiliates because his team is not somehow worthy of their stations’ coverage. It’s not as though WHO is loaded with Peabody Award Winners…
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Feb 2, 2010 10:04 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
Perfectly stated.
I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks
by Adam Jacobi on Feb 2, 2010 10:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This
Rec’d
"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me
by BStylin Hawkye on Feb 3, 2010 10:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I generally believe
that writing letters/emails to a media outlet is an exercise in masturbatory self-indulgence, at best, and a colossal waste of time, at worst. This video, however, makes me rethink my position. Look, it’s basketball season and I’ve checked out in regards to caring about Iowa (thank God my alma mater shows occasional signs of briliance), but this is beyond the pale. It’s one thing when the videos spoof Dolph/Podolak, they are basically public figures and their over-the-top (at times) Iowa blinders are an easy, inviting, and worthy target of ridicule. But this is too much; this is unnecessarily attacking an 18/19 year-old kid that is clearly out of his league for nothing more than being dedicated. I would recommend that everyone at BHGP write a respectful, reasoned and temperate letter to the powers-that-be at WHO that this was too far and in bad taste. Hopefully, we can get them to see the errors of their ways (not likely).
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on Feb 3, 2010 4:00 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Just copy and paste the Fuck WHO post above...
…by Pain in the Sash.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Feb 3, 2010 12:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The funny thing about it is
Hassel is obviously a Hawkeye fan. He grew up in Muscatine and covers Iowa as often as he can. If you don’t watch or listen to him often you might not get his sense of humor but he is a star. And Murph and Fales are great. It is too bad if you didn’t like the piece but really lighten up. I think it is almost a generational thing and it is almost laughable to read this pissing match.
I would like to be facebook friends with Terry Strauss
by spudhawk on Feb 3, 2010 10:30 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, what's laughable are people who don't believe...
….that it’s good to have some sense of decency or propriety in this world anymore, and that anyone over 18 is fair game for ridicule—simply because they’re over eighteen and marginally in the public eye.
I am not so cynical that I think it’s a “generational thing” to accept ridiculing an amateur athlete who’s only trying to compete as best he can on a team that’s not very good. I think even young people—assuming that you’re under 35—see the worth in not being mean-spirited in their humor to persons who do not deserve mean-spirited humor. It’s one thing to piss on a selfish jerk superstar, another to piss on an amateur student-athlete doing his best.
When you grow up, I think you’ll see the difference. Until then, I guess you’re on your own.
"If you want to become a man--come to Iowa" All American IOWA LB PAT ANGERER, whose best friend is a dog.
by The Director on Feb 3, 2010 10:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No one's denying that Chris is a fan of the Hawkeyes
I don’t think this is a case of people needing to lighten up, however. I’ve known Chris since high school, and he’s a genuinely funny guy, but I didn’t find this piece funny or fair to John. Chris’s desire to get a genuine reaction from his peers at WHO is understandable, but sometimes an editing eye is a good idea, and, in this case, may have prevented this (small) controversy.
That said, Chris is good at what he does and I wish him the best. An apology may not be necessary, but it should be something that the SoundOFF team considers.
by The Mexican't on Feb 3, 2010 5:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you Spud...
I don’t get the outcry over this. It’s just a stupid, tongue-in-cheek video that, when you go back and watch objectively, doesn’t really say anything bad about John Lickliter. I wonder if everyone’s tune would be the same if it were a Cyclone player and not a Hawkeye player.
"I'm not doing any good back here."
by Hawkaloogie on Feb 3, 2010 12:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It's less the stupid video
and more the source and intent of said stupid video. WHO should know better than to target a specific student athlete like that, given the circumstances. If you want to openly mock someone for being a giant dumbass such as the City Boyz, Inc., by all means. If you want to openly mock a star player in some form of parody, go ahead I guess, so long as it’s clearly tongue-in-cheek. What reason, other than being a dick/bully is there to pick on the short, unathletic kid that’s trying his best to contribute?
It seems very similar, to me, to the situation that caused Gundy to lose his mind, as pointed out in the original post by OPS. There should be at least SOME sense of decency afforded a kid that by all measures is busting his ass for nothing more than his enjoyment (he’s not on scholarship), and hasn’t done anything wrong to earn a video like this.
by benvious on Feb 3, 2010 1:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree to an extent.
It’s not funny at all, not horribly offensive, but it is quite dumb.
"I AM A DIEHARD REDSKINS FAN, CAPS, LEAFS, AND I LOVE WATCHING TENNIS. SO WHATS THE BIG DEAL"
by ReadingRambler on Feb 3, 2010 5:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
There are three elements here: Content. Source. Motivation.
I think we all agree the content is lame. No harm no foul. I think Mr Surprise’s concern is with professional journalists (source) taking an unnecessary cheap shot (motivation) at a dude who doesn’t deserve it.
If a dorm-mate made the video to honor the athlete’s tenacity, desire, overall Rudy-ish, or whatever, with the exact same shitty content, we’d probably applaud the filmmaker and nod our heads and stroke our chins and comment sagely at what a good sport J. Lickliter is.
As someone above said: there’s a reason small market journos are small market journos. They don’t have the talents brains or class to climb the professional ladder.
by everloyal on Feb 3, 2010 3:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for taking the time to e-mail Murphy
that really cleared up a lot
by Pain in the Sash on Feb 3, 2010 4:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well then...
I’ve met Keith Murphy on a few occasions and he is a very nice guy. Same with Andy. If you don’t find them funny or amusing, that’s a matter of personal taste, fine. However, to say they’re anti-Iowa is ludicrous. To say “Sound-Off” is anti-Iowa is simply not true. There are segments of Iowa Nation they find distasteful, as would you if you had to take thousands of emails and hundreds of phone calls from cretins over the course of a decade. They’re solid guys and unless you’ve had a different personal experience I’d hate to have them painted in a negative light.
Now, for the video: It’s not funny. I think Chris Hassel is a funny guy, but part of being edgy means you’re taking risks, and this time he failed. Badly. Beyond not being funny, I think it’s uncool to attack a kid who’s not been put into a position to succeed. John gives everything he has every single time he’s on the court. You can’t ask for more than that.
Hassel needs to apologize to Lil’ John and learn from this mistake.
Perhaps my best years are gone. When there was a chance of happiness. But I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
by jebushchrist on Feb 3, 2010 6:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
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Woah, I totally agree with you on a topic about Iowa basketball. It is a toss up to which is worse, the poor taste of picking on the coach’s walk on son or the segment really was not that funny at all. Lil John deserves better too.
ps. BTW, I am waiting for Iowa’s next win in basketball so I can beat the dead horse of Iowa cutting their losses with Lickliter now because I am accused of emotionally piling on after a loss. I know it drives you insane. Like Iowa Message Board crazy or Ochco Cinco level 5 pissed off. :)
"You taught me a lesson, I was going to give someone the benefit of doubt, and I almost did, then something said, no don't, don't, its not for you, its not my thing" Larry David,
by Mac G on Feb 4, 2010 1:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Lickliter Spoof Not That Big a Deal---nor that funny!
I’m 56 yrs. old & disabled but I still see some humor in this but Not MUCH! I’ve stood behind Coach Lickliter the last couple of years & continue to do so against MANY who want him gone—-Yesterday! I like John too, but he should be mature enough by now to handle this because it’s just not that bad or mean. I even joke about him looking like Rachel Dratch’s “twin brother”! I’ve always been able to take kidding as long as whoever’s doing it can take it back in return. I still have hope for next year & for Coach Todd & son John. “Build it & they will come.”
Rick "Turk" Steffens
by turkeye54 on Feb 5, 2010 9:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Don't carry it any further though, WHO----
Although I stated I found SOME humor, I hope WHO won’t allow these guys to take this any further as far as getting to the actual insulting stage of John. He IS a good kid with decent basketball skills who is just trying to help out a team in despair. Kudos to him for trying. I sure as hell don’t think WHO or the city of Des Moines have anything themselves better to brag about. Neither does Ames really. UNI is the only decent team in the state, but I’m still rooting for the Hawks.
Rick "Turk" Steffens
by turkeye54 on Feb 5, 2010 10:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

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