It's Not Plagiarism If You Link To It Has Reached A Plea Deal
Not guilty, y'all got to feel--wait, check that, that's definitely a guilty plea: Defensive lineman and overall heroman Adrian Clayborn's day in court was set to come this March 1, and it appears that he doesn't want to go through all the legalin' and the trialin'; as the P-C reports, he has apparently agreed to a guilty plea:
Clayborn, a key member of the Hawkeye’s 11-2 season, was arrested in March 2009 and charged with assault causing bodily injury for allegedly punching a cab driver in the face.
Clayborn’s trial was scheduled to begin March 1. However, according to online court records, a guilty plea/dispositional hearing has been set for March 19. Clayborn has been ordered by Sixth Judicial District Judge Sylvia Lewis to be at the hearing.
According to a criminal complaint, Clayborn, 21, was tied up in traffic on Jan. 18, 2009, at S. Johnson and Bowery streets when a cab driver honked at him. Police said Clayborn got out of his car, walked over to the driver and punched him in the face through the driver’s side window.
One of the popular rumors at the time was that a--nay, the racial slur came from the cab driver and prompted the punch; whether that's true is probably irrelevant in the long run. Facepunching is still facepunching, and Clayborn's strong enough that he's lucky to not have been charged with attempted murder. That's an exaggeration. Sort of.
It's worth noting that Ferentz didn't levy any punishment on Clayborn at the time of either the initial incident or the arrest; he deferred to the legal system at the time, and we're about to find out sometime next month what that system has decided. Morehouse thinks Clayborn won't face any additional punishment, since his last 13 months have been pretty quiet. We're thinking he might get a one-week vacation when Eastern Illinois comes to town. Either way it probably doesn't matter.
No telling whether Lickliter went for the UP TOP after the quote in question: We're still in favor of Todd Lickliter getting another season to keep trying to get this basketball program turned around, but there's something repulsive about this quote:
It seems strange to most observers that Cougill didn’t play. After all, starting center Jarryd Cole fouled out, which left only one available post, sophomore Andrew Brommer. When asked if Cougill was hurt, Iowa Coach Todd Lickliter said after the game, "No, maybe his feelings. He is fine. No problems."
WOW. Even [IOWA COACH REDACTED] thinks that's a PR misstep not worth taking. Is there something we're missing here? Did he really bench Brennan Cougill in favor of a dozen minutes from Andrew Brommer, then preemptively call Cougill a bitch while he was at it? There must be a deeper allusion here we're missing, right?
Making the quote even more egregious was this from Lickliter in regards to Anthony Tucker's departure:
"I think we’re playing good basketball," Lickliter said last week after a 78-65 pummeling of Northwestern. "I like our rotations. We mutually agreed there’d be an opportunity for him (Tucker) to practice and prepared to compete and if we called upon him, to be ready. My feeling was we liked where we were going and what we were doing, and I was going to continue along those lines because I saw the results we were getting."
So the rotations are set, and then he turns around and gives Cougill's ass chairsores so Andrew Brommer can play bad defense and go 0-5 from the field? That really happened? We get it if Lickliter doesn't want to be some lackadaisical "players' coach," but there's some middle ground here that he seems to be intent on nuking out of Earth's gravitational influence. There really isn't any other way to take all this.
In fact, we'll just say this: we're really glad this isn't part of a larger pattern of poor behavior; if it were, it would closely mirror behavior in which we'd indulge if we were trying to get fired without ruining our chances of rehire.
"Big Ten Expansion" is the new "Tim Tebow Girlfriend," and Texas just made it to the final 24 on American Idol: Yes, we've been hitting the Big Ten expansion talk since the BXI first broached the subject; complain if you must, but we find the subject purely fascinating. Hell, if we weren't willing to put $40 on even odds that ISU wasn't in a BCS conference 36 months from now, we wouldn't have written that last dialogue. But that's the point: there's a really good chance that the Big Ten expands west, and it remains to be seen if the BXI shears that sheep, skins it, or harvests its vital organs while its family watches. The shearing is taking only Missouri. Skinning is taking half of the Big XII North. And eating its heart on webcam solely to spark revulsion from PETC (conferences, not animals) would be taking Texas, Texas A&M, and Oklahoma, then telling OU they're athletic prostitutes and can't be in the academic consortium. Go on, tell Jim Delany he can't do that. You might as well be daring him. If the objective is killing the Big XII--and it kind of is--Delany wants to bathe in the XII's blood in the process.
Bloggeur extraordinaire Frank The Tank knows this, and issued a list of refutations for every lazy argument as to why Texas wouldn't join the BXI. #4 should send chills down the spines of every partisan XII fan:
4. Texas has the nation’s wealthiest athletic department IN SPITE of the Big XII (not because of it) – Following up on points #2 and #3, the notion that Texas won’t move because it already has the nation’s richest athletic department is the same thing as arguing that a minimum of $10 million extra per year isn’t a big deal and the Longhorns should pass that up so that they can preserve road trips to Lubbock. Texas isn’t competing with Texas Tech and Baylor in order to win the Texas state college championship. On the national scene, it’s competing with Florida, Alabama, Ohio State and Penn State, all of whom will each take in about $100 million more than Texas over the next decade just for showing up to play if the Longhorns stand pat. That’s going to have a material long-term impact on Texas competing at a national level. Texas might be the wealthiest athletic department in the nation today, but that’s IN SPITE of the Big XII and its poor prospects for television revenue as opposed to because of it.
Of course, that assumes a static television situation, and Big XI commish Dan Beebe would be insane not to spend every waking moment these days trying to fix that. Still, contracts are contracts, and Beebe's league may be mortally doomed because of theirs.
And we're not kidding: this could absolutely end in ISU as a mid-major school. Keep watching.
THREE YARD BUTTONHOOKZ:
No, you should not say "YouTube Dancing": Kige Ramsey has a John Wall dance, and it is terrifying:
We're not ones to screw with tradition, but it might be "Just Northwestern" with a capital J at this point: Holy mother of God. Penn State 81, Northwestern 70... in Evanston. Granted, the Northwestern crowd makes 2010 Iowa fans look like 15,500 Iowa fans (bet you didn't see that joke coming), but still, it's good to see that the Northwestern players have given up on basketball and are now focused on dousing their fans' hopes in kerosene gasoline industrial-strength jet fuel and committing mass felony arson. Seriously, they've gone from "bubble team" to "losers to the two worst teams in the conference." What more needs to be said?
Three games against the Missouri Valley is like... oh, who are we kidding, Iowa would go 6-10 in the MVC: UNI center Jordan Eglseder--whose name melted my spellcheck--was recently busted for DUI in Cedar Rapids. His punishment? Three whole games, or roughly 9% of the regular season. ESPN is unamused.
Now, in terms of games per season, three basketball games equates to about one football game, just for a DUI. We'll just relish in the fact that Iowa would never issue such a light punishment for an oh-dub, then go back to polishing the picture frames in our borderline illegal shrine to Kyle Calloway.
If MSU is "Sparty no!", Purdue is "Boiler exploded and killed several migrant workers in their faces": RossWB's excellent Aughts in Review series prompted one of he most depressing comments in BHGP history. In fact, we're calling it the most depressing non-personal comment, since nobody's mom got cancer or anything; this is just one fan reflecting on the innumerable amount of times his team has blown it. It's so sad, and so so hilarious.
Best highlight reel ever? Yes, best ever: We're mainly upset that we never thought of this during our own (equally fruitless) high school/D-III football days. Mike Nobler, you are a hero to all athletes with absolutely zero athletic future everywhere.
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You know a coach is on the hot seat at Iowa when the internets start parsing his every word and ascribing hidden meaning.
Brunettes not fighter jets
We're doing that as a favor, man.
There’s no “hidden” meaning in that hurt feelings line. That’s straight up trash talk.
I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks
Perhaps
and I have no information to say this is the case, but maybe Cougill actually IS a bitch, and Lickliter is sick of it.
I’m thinking along these lines – maybe this will make sense.
Imagine there’s a stud wrestler out of Souix City. Comes to Iowa. Brands thinks he’s a pussy because he shows up out of shape, doesn’t work hard, etc. Guy doesn’t get to wrestle much, if at all. Does the Sioux City birdcage liner write an op-ed piece about that? Hell no, because if they do, Brands comes out, calls the guy lazy, and says he’ll wrestle when he actually earns it at the college level. Nobody even bats an eye at that response, because Brands is the coach, and he knows a hell of a lot better than we do.
Now, Lickliter is no Tom Brands, but they’re certain to interact with each other, and if a little Brands rubs off on Coach Lick I’m completely fine with that. Further, I think Lickliter is in a situation where he’s third dog on the Iowa coach totem pole (at best), and that’s hard for a guy that was recently coach of the year.
Yeah...
I wouldn’t recommend saying you have no reason to call someone a bitch, then spend 100 words doing exactly that with an “if” at the beginning.
I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks
I guess
I’m just offering the possibility that we don’t know nearly as much about what’s going on there than the coach does.
Maybe Lickliter is just an asshat and hates his players. Certainly a possibility too.
He's just clueless
that’s a possiblity too. He is just clueless about young people.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
by StoopsMyAss on Feb 18, 2010 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
Benvious, or coach asshat?
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Feb 18, 2010 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
Well, I'm an asshole.
Just ask my wife! WAKKA-WAKKA-WAKKA!
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Feb 18, 2010 10:06 AM CST up reply actions
Stoops has made his vendetta clear over the last few weeks...
…that or he is actually Coach Lick, and he’trying to trick us all.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Feb 18, 2010 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
Er... (sarcasm font on that previous comment)...
…don’t hurt me Coach Stoop-Lick.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Feb 18, 2010 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
"Coach Lick-Stoops" sounds better.
MORE ZAZZ! I DEMAND MORE ZAZZ!
by Bucketochicken on Feb 18, 2010 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
Coach LickMyAss
is better yet.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
Coach LickMyAss is not as good
as “Rim Geoheim”.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Feb 18, 2010 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
Wow.
I didn’t expect that. Good stuff.
by The Mexican't on Feb 18, 2010 3:15 PM CST up reply actions
I would tend to agree with the former.
This season is lost. Sitting players to send a message doesn’t bother me at all, especially if it is deserved.
I would have to think he knows his players a lot better than we do considering we get all of 30 hours of one-way interaction between November and March with the team.
by Pubes in Pink Urinals on Feb 18, 2010 10:49 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I hope it's for lack of conditioning...
…the Dessert Fox needs to get that message. I have nothing against a big body, but when you can’t play a six minute stretch of college ball without sucking air… well, I just hope he gets some conditioning before next year.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Feb 18, 2010 1:56 PM CST up reply actions
The basketball team has its own S&C coach.
I imagine there’s a limit to how much he can do with a guy in a fe wmonths, though.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I’m thinking I don’t want Doyle distracted from primary job. At best, hoopyball is in for what we seem to be hoping is a mediocre year after this craptastic one. Football though, we want to be better than that. DON’T DISTRACT DOYLE.
Here here
I second the thought from txhawkeye. If Doyle devotes one second to anyone but our football team (If he could place a little emphasis on the O-Line? Please?) I will personally hire someone much bigger, stronger and more trained in some martial art than myself to kick whomever’s ass that forced Doyle to do this.
"Well of course, there's nothing better than being American!!!" - Ricky Americanzi, Jan. 5th, 2010
by The Bacon Explosion on Feb 19, 2010 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
Bigger news
Kige Ramsey clearly has a trampoline in his living room, which, when you think about it, makes all the sense in the world.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
Does he live at ...
his grandma’s house? My nan had a nicknack curio just like the one in the background.
She also had two liquor cabinets. I miss my nan.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Feb 18, 2010 10:12 AM CST up reply actions
ZOMG FERENTZ CODDLES CRIMINALS!
/Cyclone Fanatic’d
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Oh, the frothy-mouthed screeching of sanctimonious rage has already begun in earnest over there.
http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/state-rivals/
I’d post a few deliciously acerbic bon mots, but I’ve been banned. Again.
MORE ZAZZ! I DEMAND MORE ZAZZ!
by Bucketochicken on Feb 18, 2010 9:37 AM CST up reply actions
Shocking...
Not that you’ve been banned, but that they are whining about it. That’s why they will ALWAYS be our “Little Brother” program.
They took the bar, the whole fucking bar!
by recoveringfratguy on Feb 18, 2010 9:54 AM CST up reply actions
Awww...
but we’s hurted their feelings.
Which, of course, led to this:

BECAUSE VANDERBEEK TEARS ARE THE SWEETEST TEARS OF ALL.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
They taste better ...
than Scott Tenorman’s tears!
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Feb 18, 2010 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
Radiohead
hates ISU, too.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Feb 18, 2010 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
I saw that and immediately broke into laughter. Sorry lil’ bro!
They took the bar, the whole fucking bar!
by recoveringfratguy on Feb 18, 2010 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
I just love it
The fact that people who follow a football program that reinstated and started an EX-CONVICT are up in arms about the judicial process in Johnson County is too rich.
Your glass house is shattered, Cy.
Brunettes not fighter jets
The reaction on Cylcone Fanatic
is the exact reason I don’t bother posting on most internet message boards relating to sports. Don’t get me wrong, HawkeyeFanatic is no better, and that’s why I don’t post there either. Both, and almost all of them, are nothing but the worst in mouth-breathing sports homerism without any hint of context and reality.
Hell, even the Cyclone SBNation site is a million times better.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Couple, two or three points...
1) Facepunching is facepunching, unless you play for Urban Meyer. Then it’s a requirement to be a starter. Heaven only knows what you have to do to be a graduate.
2) I’d go with shear the sheep, skin it, harvest the organs to be used for free sausage to be given to fans at the first Big Whatever Championship Game, and force feed whatever is left to Jamie Pollard.
3) I was a supporter of Lickliter and I still think the hire was the right move. But it’s seems to me the deathwatch has begun. We’ll know it’s over if W shows up at a game and says, “You’re doin a hell of a job, Lick.”
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Feb 18, 2010 9:04 AM CST reply actions
Lick deathwatch
No way. The team has been bad, but not uncompetitive. Remember how Ferentz started? Think giving him a couple years to get things rolling was a good idea? There’s a reasonably good recruiting class coming in. Short of a 4 or 5 win season next year, Lick will have 2 more years before he’s shown the door for not performing.
nerd alert
are now focused on dousing their fans’ hopes in kerosene gasoline industrial-strength jet fuel and committing mass felony arson.
Jet fuels are kerosene based, and are less flammable than traditional gasoline. Not that it matters. I’ll shut up now.
Kerosene works better...
because it’s a “kay” word, which are always funny.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Feb 18, 2010 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
Lickliter is doing what all people do in a crisis
when people are in mortal fear that things are beyond their control thye often crawl inward—inside their own head. This accounts for why panicked people cannot make good decisions, because they are walling off external information that would celarly show them that they are making bad decisions. Second, they fail to do that which would directly and immediately address the crisis, they instead try to avoid that the crisis even exists and do that which is most comfortable, even if it is the worst thing one could do in that crisis situation. This is why during a tornado people with basements that would save their lives still die. They don’t go immediately into the basement once they learn a tornado is upon them, they try to grab a beloved picture or the dog or some personal belonging…then poof, gone. The thinking is skewed cluttered in these moments.
Lickliter, it is safe to say, has lost the fans. Some he has lost forever. Others are now so sour he would have to do miracles to recover them. Most have just turned him and team off.
Lickliter has lost the media. This is shocking. He is, to my mind, a miserable PR guy. He does not understand or even care about his perception or how he communicates with the outside world. And the Iowa media is not exactly the most challenging media on the planet. In fact, it is among the respectful in the country. He’s blown it with them and that’s shocking.
Lickliter is about to lose the players. Look, it’s really all you have when you are falling apart as a team—-each other. Yet, this guy torches players at a rate I cannot fathom. He was clueless about the Tucker effect. He has always had a sketchy rotation approach so I would not doubt that most players feel distant to him. I sense he is a “this is business” kind of a guy, and while that can work if your business makes fucking sense, it is a disaster if your business is a chaotic, unpredictable fly by the seat of your pants affair. And I just don’t understand why he keeps throwing players under the bus in post-game—even when they DON’T play.
I will be amazed if everyone on this team returns. But I also think that Barta has told Lickliter that he will fulfill his contract UNLESS the personnel situation continues to backslide year after year. I think Barta has set a remarably low bar for Lickliter for next year AND the year after in terms of wins. I also think Barta is prepared to weather the loss of revenue in terms of attendance. If you look at the numbers (and you can do so here) they are not horrible due to the revenue sharing. But if this guy burns through player after player after player, then…
Finally, I have turned on the guy. I don’t like him. He is aloof, hard to decipher, overly systematic. As for that last one. I understand the fucking Butler Way. But, sheesh, his committment to selflessness is so extreme as to be disfunctional. He is like a fucking cult leader with that shit. Oh well…I am a fan and hope it works out. But as of now, I am not convinced he can take Iowa beyond anything that Hair Gel ever achieved. Don’t even mention Dr. Tom…for Lickliter to approach that level of success he would need an exorcism.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
From my POV
Alford lost the fans, and Lick has done nothing to get them back.
Also, nice pop psychology.
Brunettes not fighter jets
Wow, posted above before reading this.
I guess I was right. I could tell you fully turned on him a few weeks ago, but I thought it was just the pain of watching another not-good season.
I think it’s interesting that we love Ferentz because he doesn’t play the media games, but Lick doesn’t get the same reaction (I’m not saying he should, it’s just interesting).
Lastly, I guess I’ve just watched Hoosiers (and Name Redacted teams) one too many times, cause I think it’s refreshing that no one player is above the team. I like that Lick doesn’t fall into the “win at all costs” trap. When Tucker had his problems many coaches would have looked the other way because the alternative was playing LilJohn for too many minutes, but Coach Lick showed that no one is above the team, and five years down the line, when we aren’t facing sanctions from the NCAAs, I’m really going to appreciate it.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Feb 18, 2010 2:09 PM CST up reply actions
The difference (in my eyes) between Lick and Ferentz is
Ferentz has very unambiguous standards, they are public, clear, and consistent. Fans know them, the press knows them, the team knows them, the competition at recruiting time knows them.
Lickliter is all over the map. He contradicts himself often. This whole rotation-gate is only the latest example of his remarkably feeble communication skills.
The thing that really pissed me off and really turned me on him is that he said, in only slightly coded terms, when asked about Tucker’s transfer that while the kid was serving his suspension the team “moved on” and Lick described the team as being in this very clear cut place where rotations were settled and the team was this sort of smooth running machine that found itself smoother without Tucker than with him. So, moral of the story for Tucker, you fucked yourself by being suspended. Well, half of that is dead right. He did fuck himself for being suspended, only problem is that Lickliter only came to that realization after Tucker was suspended, and after he reinstated him, and after he let him dress. It was, from what I could see, an overraction to winning one fucking game (Northwestern). He could have worked him back in if he wanted to, but he decided not to, which means he suffocated the kid, which is gutless. If Lick saw the team moving away from Tucker having any kind of meaningful role then he should have just told the kid striaight up—you fucked up and you better be ready to sit and not play the rest of the way. Instead he told the press it was a day by day thing and he was playing it by ear. As if he was monitoring Tucker’s progress. Please. Now, no one should cry for Tucker. He proved to be an immature fuck up. But the other players witness this teasing by Lickliter and no could blame them if they all think, wow this dude is cold.
Do you really think Ferentz operates like this? Have you EVER heard any player challenge Ferentz’s communication practices? Thre have been MANY transfers away and NONE of them, that I can recall, left town with a story of disfunction. Did David Cato say, as he was leaving, “well the dude led me on…told me I would play and that was bullshit.” Of course not. Lickliter leads the press on, and I fully believe he leads the team on, he’s a basketball coaching dick tease. Lay out your standards and let the players bust their ass to meet them. Don’t hide them in your pocket and pull them out when you are forced against the wall for an explanation.
As for Cougill not playing. Okay, he’s out of shape, he’s not making strides in the fitness department, he whiny and bitchy (which I don’t buy but let’s just say he is). Lickliter didn’t even remotely suggest this to be a problem when asked why he didn’t play. Ferentz sent the message clear when DJK wasn’t playing…Brands does it even better.
I find the whole approach sophomoric when stacked up to Ferentz or Brands. Those guys are the essence of transparency and logic, and Lickliter is the essence of kids games to me. It takes balls to have a standard and to stick by it in the face of failure, but to trot out standards when your back is against the wall is unimpressive. Not sold and I smell a rat.
Look, I hope I am wrong. And I’ve been super wrong on things on this site before. But this is where I am with this.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
He is much more likable than shit head
but, to beat a dead horse, until now, I find him passive agressive.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
Could it be with Tucker
That he fucked up yet again? This is all speculation but we pass a lot of judgment without any significant exposure. Tucker has had several self control issues, maybe Coach Lick told him he would work back into playing time if he didn’t do X,Y or Z. Night of the big jNW win Tucker is pissed about not playing and strangely elated by tasting victory, goes out, does X, Y and Z – f’s up by texting people he is doing Y and gets nailed by Coach. Instead of telling the world Tucker has a serious problem with Y and destroying what is left of his athletic life Coach and Tucker sit down and decide it is best he is no longer on the team.
I can’t fault a guy for not learning how to deal with the media as well as Ferenz, his is a JoPa-like master of this. Every press conference is basically the same, if we win – great win, really happy for the team, say something nice about the opponent, maybe mention an outstanding performance if asked, say we still have some improvements to make and only worried about the next game – not even glancing at big picture. If we loose, complement the opponent, say something good about the team, lots of stuff to work on, yes it is disappointing but we will bounce back and team is starting to concentrate on next week’s game, not looking at the big picture. Coach Lick hasn’t learned this and he doesn’t coach wrestling – Coach Brands can get away with saying stuff that would get basketball coaches fired or at least on a significant hot seat.
"Well of course, there's nothing better than being American!!!" - Ricky Americanzi, Jan. 5th, 2010
by The Bacon Explosion on Feb 19, 2010 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
Brands
While it might not be fair, as I’ve mentioned elsewhere – the parents, athletes, and fans not only expect but want the wrestling coach to be the way he is. He’s consistent, in that he will rip anyone and everyone that isn’t up to his standards. Winning in incredibly dominant fashion night in and night out the way Brands’s teams do often buys you that opportunity.
I agree with Stoops in that Lick hasn’t even begun to earn leeway in dealing with his players the way Brands and Ferentz have. I just don’t see any “better” alternative to Lick at the moment. Their results this year have been primarily due to a lack of talent. That’s partially Lick’s fault due to not keeping players and not recruiting good ones, but I’m at least on board to give him next year to show what happens when he’s got more talent to work with. Having said that, I’ll be the first to call for Lick’s head if their record is similar this time next year.
Pur d'oh
That dude’s comment was chicken soup for the fuckPurdue soul
My college roommates are friends with Purdue’s backup long snapper from the ‘99-’00 season. They gave that kid a ton of shit after the starting long snapper air-mailed their punter twice in one game and he still didn’t see the field.
/sad trombone
No self-respecting man from Iowa goes anywhere without beer
by Hayden Fry's Moustache Ride on Feb 18, 2010 10:04 AM CST reply actions
I will say this . . .
While I scratch my head at some of Lickliter’s decisions and tactics, I have a lot of respect for someone who is willing to stick to his principles no matter the fuck what else is going on. Not to be all corny and cliche (ok, so that is what I do) he actually does remind me of the Coach Norman Dale character from Hoosiers with Iowa blog and message board posters serving as the guys at the barbershop.
Unfortunately, I don’t currently see a Jimmy Chitwood coming to save Iowa’s (and the coach’s) ass.
Didn't see this first...
…but I agree with you above.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Feb 18, 2010 2:10 PM CST up reply actions
Rollin: [as Jimmy walks in on the town meeting that determines Coach Dale’s fate] What can I do for you, Jimmy?
Jimmy Chitwood: I got something to say.
Rollin: All right, say what you’ve gotta say.
Jimmy Chitwood: [to crowd] I don’t know if it’ll make a difference, but I figured it’s time for me to start playing ball.
George: [as crowd is cheering, points to Dale] I told you, once we got rid of him!
Jimmy Chitwood: But, there’s just one thing… I play, Coach stays. He goes, I go.
"Conan, what is best in life?" "Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of the women"
by Natty Bumppo's Murderous Gaze on Feb 18, 2010 10:39 AM CST reply actions
...revised for greater realism and comedic effect
StoopsMyAss: [as Matt Gatens walks in on the thread loosing their minds about Coach Lick] What can I do for you, Matt?
Matt Gatens: I got something to say.
StoopsMyAss: All right, say what you’ve gotta say. Just put your little finger on that keyboard and type away. This is America after all and….
Matt Gatens: [to BHGP] Okay…I got it! [pause for dramatic effect] I don’t know if it’ll make a difference, but I figured it’s time for me to start really playing ball.
Misc. Screen Name: [as blog posts start erupting in sarcastic and overly sincere remarks, directs an F Bomb toward Coach Lick and then says the following] I told you, once we got rid of him!
Matt Gatens: But, there’s just one thing… I play, Coach quits trashing players in the post game. And if I play, he needs to lets us run the ball when we got it going on like the Texas game for example. And also, if I play, Coach needs to fucking smile every once in a while and make this fun because none of us is going pro and this is the last organized basketball experience of our lives — well at least my life and certainly John Lickliter’s life — and right now it’s like a Bataan Death March every night out there. And one last thing, if I play, Coach needs to learn some inbounds plays because we haven’t scored on an inbounds play since I came here as a mercy signing to Iowa. Oh, and I can’t promise what Cougill and fuller are going to do. Brennan is pretty peeved, in a western Iowa sorta way (which is to say he is saying nothing so that means he’s really pissed) and Fuller doesn’t like cold weather. Sorry, I’m only one dude.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
by StoopsMyAss on Feb 18, 2010 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
Maybe it's just my mordant nature . . .
But I can’t resist the stoic ignoring the flames around him while he stubbornly sticks to his beliefs storyline. In my mind, I’ve built up Coack L as a heroic, tragically misunderstood figure who will withstand the forging fires and emerge redeemed as he leads Iowa to glory. And then just lets his enigmatic smile serve as a big FUCK YOU to his detractors.
But in reality, he might just be kind of an asshole who took a job too tough for him.
But I really, really, really like my first version better.
Your first version is intriguing, but isn't it just
the Woody Hayes story in football and the Isaiah Thomas story (though wihout the “glory” part) in basketball?
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
by StoopsMyAss on Feb 18, 2010 11:25 AM CST up reply actions
Yes please . . .
I’ll take Woody Hayes in the gym. Hell, I’d even take the ignominious end in exchange for the glorious middle.
Player attrition will decide it
If he loses anyone of substance off this team then he won’t be able to muster a winning record next year or the year after and Bloodpunch will bloodpunch him. What difference does staff continuity make if you have no player continuity.
If he keeps everyone they’ll be about .500 next year and he’ll be here for a while.
When in doubt I look to the author of our fandom: Ferentz likes him, so do I.
by Internet Legend on Feb 18, 2010 12:26 PM CST reply actions
This
Gotta keep the players and the bar is very low again next year in terms of wins. Do those two things and Lick gets an extension so that he can tell recruits in 2011-2012 he’ll be here for the next 5 years. Really, who can Iowa get as coach if they don’t give LIck more than an honest chance with the upgraded facilities?
And I’ve also heard the Brands is a big fan of Lick as well.
I think we can all agree with the first part of that
at least
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Feb 18, 2010 6:08 PM CST up reply actions
Possibly
Player attrition without context isn’t always an accurate measure. If someone very relevant flunks out, decides to go be a buddhist monk, has some major family thing (Tyler Smith rings a bell), or any number of other non-basketball related issues causes them to not be on the team, that’s not Lick’s doing and I can’t see him being judged on that. If there’s a mass defection like we’ve seen recently, that’s entirely different.
I think the second part of your point is the dead on part. If he doesn’t muster a .500 record or close to it next year, and an NCAA berth the year after, he’s probably gone.
Adrian's stalker
Did she ever get sentenced?
All I want to know is
where in the fuck did you guys find my high school highlight tape?
"The possibility of physical and mental collapse is now very real. No sympathy for the Devil, keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride." HST
I don't know but
although it is clearly meant to be funny (and it is), it wasn’t made by Mike Nobler or anyone who knows him; a native Chicagolander would know Mundelein is pronounced muhn-duh-line, not muhn-duh-leen.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Feb 18, 2010 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
All I know is that
the line about Carthage offering him the chance to walk on and work nights and weekends in the film room cracked me up
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on Feb 18, 2010 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
I'm no lawyer or anything but I thought my professor said this in one of my classes at Iowa.
I remember him saying that if someone said something to you that incited “rage” in a person then they couldn’t get convicted or necessarily be held liable, within an extent, of course. One of my professor’s examples was someone saying the “N” word to a person’s face. So if this cabbie did call Clayborn the “N” word I feel like that guy deserved to get much more than a simple punch to the face (as if there is a simple punch from Clayborn).
Like I said, I’m no lawyer but I know some people here are, so please let me know if I’m misremembering or was mistaught.
It's not that I'm lazy, Bob, it's that I just don't care

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