Fare Thee Well, Anthony Tucker
Anthony Tucker has officially asked for his release from his Iowa scholarship, and Todd Lickliter has granted it to him. Here's the official word from the Gazette:
When Tucker was suspended Dec. 20 just hours after a second public intoxication arrest, it appeared likely he was off the team. Today, nearly two months later, Tucker asked for – and received – his scholarship release from Iowa. He no longer is listed on Iowa’s men’s basketball roster.
But just hours after he scored 17 points in a win against Drake on Dec. 19, Tucker was arrested for public intoxication again after a dispute with a taxi cabdriver. According to the police complaint, Tucker accused the cabdriver of taking his cell phone and allegedly was beating on the side of the cab. The cabdriver locked his car doors and called police.
The police report described Tucker with bloodshot, watery eyes, slurred speech and a strong smell of alcohol. Tucker swayed when he spoke and "had trouble forming logical, understandable sentences and repeated himself frequently." Tucker pleaded guilty to the charge on Dec. 28.
The timing of this release is somewhat curious, however. Tucker had returned to practices a few weeks ago, and had begun dressing with the team again. If there was some indication that Tucker wouldn't actually play again this season, it wasn't being actively conveyed to people outside the team. Well, until now, anyway.
In terms of the larger picture, the real measure of the impact Tucker's departure has on the team is to see who's replacing him. In this case, it's probably a sophomore John Lickliter and true freshmen Ben Brust and Devyn Marble. Obviously, it's too early to know how Brust and Marble will perform once they make the jump to the college level, but still... woof.
Really, we're just getting back where we started, where Iowa's depending on freshman guards while all the experience bleeds away. We understand that Tucker was obviously a "special situation," to put it nicely. But the exodus is getting old.
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Yeah, this is different...
…in that it’s a Lickliter guy. We were told all the prior transfers were Alford’s players, and that Lickliter’s recruits knew what they were stepping into and wouldn’t be going anywhere. Clearly that’s not the case, at least not yet.
I can’t blame the kid. He did something stupid, but he’s also been sitting on the bench for two months for something that would cost him a game or two if he was playing football.
I sense a deluge. I hope I’m wrong.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
I don't think we're going to see a deluge
Something tells me that these guys recognize what Lickliter is trying to do here.
As for his offense and the punishment on the Football team, you’re right. Lickliter has his own way of disciplining his guys I guess.
They took the bar, the whole fucking bar!
by recoveringfratguy on Feb 12, 2010 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
You're telling me Matt Gatens is happy?
Or Brennan Cougill isn’t getting copies of the SCJ sent to his dorm room? The source of the on-court problems has been youth and steadfast dedication to setting screens with a guy who clearly is suffering from hemophilia or pathologically afraid of contact. The source of the off-court problems for three years is Lickliter’s inexplicable rotation and long-term doghousing of guys for relatively minor offenses. This is just the latest in a long line of guys who got benched for trivial stuff (or, in the case of David Palmer, apparently for playing well). Again, I hope I’m wrong, but I really don’t think Tucker will be the only one leaving.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Feb 12, 2010 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
noooooooo
I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks
by Adam Jacobi on Feb 12, 2010 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED!
/bender’d
by The Nihilist on Feb 12, 2010 2:21 PM CST up reply actions
We're f***ed.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Feb 13, 2010 7:41 AM CST up reply actions
Count me in on this!
I expect, at minimum, for one more transfer. I am expecting it will be Brommer. But, I have a wierd feeling about Fuller. I hope I am wrong. But I got a feeling he might bolt. It’s not a trong feeling. But if he leaves…Houston we have a fucking problem.
This whole player leaving thing reveals something deeper. There are good players across the country who “think” they shoould be playing more, starting, you name it, and yet they do not transfer. The reason they do not is often because of a few factors: the coach (usually the biggest factor), the quality of the school experience, the quality of the experience of being on the basketball team. Let’s look at each of these:
- Is Lickliter a poor communicator with the players? Does he not mesh with them on a personal level. You can hear the sheer awe and admiration for Ferentz in the football player voices. I never hear that kind of respect for Lickliter.
- Is it a joyless experience playing for Lickliter? Does he not help players appreciate their value on the team, take in the big picture. Is it drudgery playing at Iowa (with no crowd and a coach who never seems happy)?
- Has he stripped away the joy of attending Iowa, as a student athlete. This one I doubt exists. I think Iowa is a great school experience, save the incessant alcohol arrests of athletes.
I think this is a problem…it’s just is. These transfers are never merely “I want more playing time.”
"Gravity cannot be held responsible for Tiger's fall." -- Albert Einstein
by StoopsMyAss on Feb 12, 2010 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
Sorry guys, but we have no idea what's going on behind closed doors...
…how do we know this wasn’t the plan all along. It’s possible Lick saw the potential in Tucker, but knew Iowa wasn’t right for him so he allowed Tucker to “earn” his spot back before transferring rather than having the mark of someone who was kicked off a team (raise his stock so-to-speak).
I don’t know. We’ve had a lot of people leave due to A LOT of very interesting reasons. I hate to see it, but let’s not do the jump-to-conclusions-claim-we’re-DOOMED message board thing. Feelings are great and all, but they have no bearing on the reality surrounding a college kid playing ball in an empty arena.
I just don’t see anymore guys leaving. Just my feeling.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Feb 13, 2010 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
They certainly can't be happy with mediocrity
I guess I’m just hoping that these guys stick around long enough to gel with one another. What I saw on Wednesday was amazing, as the team looked like they had some idea of how to play hoopy ball.
They took the bar, the whole fucking bar!
by recoveringfratguy on Feb 12, 2010 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
IF
a bunch of players do leave, again, is that the sign that it’s time for the school to cut-bait with Lick and go looking for a new coach? I know everyone wants to give him a shot, but if he is going to be in constant rebuilding mode – because he constantly has to replace experienced players leaving for elsewhere – than is this team ever really going to improve?
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Yes.
I think I said back in January that I thought there were two scenarios where the university would pretty much have to give him his walking papers:
1) Go 0-18 in conference play and/or just be hopelessly uncompetitive
2) Endure another exodus of players
Thankfully (for the sake of everyone’s sanity), 1) didn’t happen and they’ve actually been playing much better. If Tucker’s departure is a prelude to 2), though, all bets are off. Lickliter will never ever be successful here if he’s in a state of perpetual rebuilding.
Of course, none of that changes the fact that if he does get the boot after this season, it’s not going to be easy to find a great replacement.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
And the replacement angle
is what would make me so hesitant to fire him. Yes, there is the yearly “hot” coach talk after some program has a decent run in the tourney, but how many would realistically want to come to Iowa at this point? The landscape of the Big Ten has coaches at nearly every location that would seem like (IMO) the “perfect” fit for their respective schools (except volleyball school, Penn State). It would be tough to come into the situation at Iowa and hope to be competitive.
However, I would forward a name that would likely draw tons of criticism but that I’ve always liked. Steve Lavin knows the Big Ten from his time at Purdue and broadcasting a bunch of league games for ESPN. I also feel he wouldn’t have the pressure that he felt during an unfairly vilified run at UCLA. Just a thought, but his record was always much better than he was given credit for.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Feb 12, 2010 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
I doubt...
that, if it is just Tucker and Brommer who transfer, that they get rid of Lickliter. If it is someone important (Gatens, Fuller, May, Payne, Cougill [there is no way that Cole would leave, right?]), then Lick has to watch out. Another possible thing that could put Lick on the chopping block would be if a couple of next year’s frosh would de-commit or transfer (have they all signed letters of intent yet?).
I like Steve Lavin, and I would have been OK with his hiring when we hired Lick. However, whenever I see or hear him on ESPN, I get the feeling that he is way too comfortable to want to get back into big-time coaching.
In my mind, Lavin’s main limitations would be: does he still have a recruiting network in the midwest, can he run a clean program, will he be able to turn around a now-moribund program instead of ride the coat-tails of a national title?
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Feb 13, 2010 7:52 AM CST up reply actions
I have to wonder
if the “clean program” problem for Lavin is more an indictment of the booster culture at UCLA that dates all the way back to Wooden. Lavin skirted issues there whereas Jim Harrick (the seediest coach ever) gave them a great big bear hug of acceptance.
I would agree that SL seems very comfortable in his current job, but for most coaches that flame never goes out. If he had been courted at the time Lick was brought in I think he would be more reluctant because there was an image to repair which meant more pressure. Now the expectations are so low I think a reasonable pitch could be made.
Keep in mind, this is only if Lickliter were to go, which I actually hope does not happen (yet).
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Feb 13, 2010 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
I think it would be different if someone like Gatens leaves...
….Tucker played how many games for the Hawks?
(Not an attack on you, but…) He wasn’t exactly an experienced, program player. Tuckers history gets Lick a pass on this one (from me), but my eyes are open for any other signs of defection.
You (and many others) are right that this cannot continue, but the guys who’ve been on the floor are looking up. They seem to be more comfortable and are having more fun, and I just don’t see a reason for any of the remaining guys to walk.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Feb 13, 2010 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
It's a Lickliter guy
but it’s also a Lickliter guy who has been arrested for two being drunk in public twice in 13 months and missed a semester because he couldn’t be bothered to go to class.
I find it hard to pin this on Lickliter.
Very true
I’m PISSED at Tucker. I mean, seriously: this is a kid who had a free ride handed to him. He screwed up, twice, by not studying and passing out behind a bar and getting arrested. TL says little, and lets him work back into the starting 5 after getting his grades back in order.
Then, his dumbass gets arrested AGAIN, for the same fucking reason, and TL AGAIN allows him to work himself back onto the team. What’s his ungrateful ass do then? Leaves. He walks away. What a bitch. I wish him luck at his next stop, but I hope the door hits him on the way out. Good riddance, Mr. Tucker.
by imadirtyoldman on Feb 14, 2010 2:31 PM CST up reply actions
I can't help but wonder...
…if Tucker not returning to the floor after being reinstated by the University had something to do with this.
It's possible.
From what I understood after the university reinstated him, was that Lick would determine when and if Tucker got back onto the court.
As I stated in the fanshot, I think this is honestly better overall for the team. Why destroy the chemistry that the team has formed by letting a player who hasnt played in 2 months onto the floor.
If Tucker stayed on the team, I feel that we’d be seeing this exact same situation next year as well. He’s shown a pattern for it.
"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me
by BStylin Hawkye on Feb 12, 2010 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
Right
Lickliter made it clear that just because Tucker had sat out the time required by the University conduct policy, he wasn’t going to automatically start playing him again. This is 100% speculation on my part, but maybe that was taking longer than Tucker had thought it would.
I don't doubt that one bit.
I can almost imagine Lick telling Tucker that he wasn’t going to see any playing time the rest of this year.
"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me
by BStylin Hawkye on Feb 12, 2010 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
No doubt in my mind Lick said something like that
He wanted to force Tucker’s hand, so he didn’t look like he was running every player off.
by salparadise23 on Feb 12, 2010 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
I agree
As much as I love what Tucker brings to the floor, I really think that we’re a better team without him.
That could be just an insane delusion on my part, but I think the improvement curve that we’ve been on really started after he was suspended. He may be a Lickliter recruit, but I’ve thought for a long time that he’s more of an Alford-type player in that he tends to take ill-advised shots if he so much as sees a glimpse of the basket. Lick’s system requires a lot of patience from the players, and at times Tucker didn’t have that.
It’s not good that we’re losing him from an experience standpoint, obviously, but in terms of the system we run I think we may be better off without him. I hope, anyway.
Destroy chemistry?????
Haha, you serious? Yes, how dare we mess up the chemistry of our 9-16 team. That would be awful.
USA #1
by Anonymous Hero on Feb 12, 2010 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
So you don't think they've been playing better over the last few weeks?
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I agree that we're playing better
I don’t necessarily agree that it comes as a result of John Lickliter getting minutes over Anthony Tucker.
I like the way the offense has flowed better with a slightly stronger starting lineup (May + Fuller), but there is zero doubt in my mind that we would have been a better team with Tucker getting Lickliter’s 5-10 minutes per game.
That's possibly true.
My concern with Tucker’s return was that he’d just start jacking up bad 3s and kill what little flow we have/had. (The rest of the team does just fine jacking up bad 3s on their own, thanks.) But Lil John has displayed that same tendency in his extended appearances and if that’s the case, it would be better to have Tucker in there, since the odds of his bad 3s going in are probably better than Lil John’s bad 3s going in.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I don't know about that.
Last time I watched Tucker play, his defense was about as good as moose and squirrells.
"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me
by BStylin Hawkye on Feb 12, 2010 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
Tucker's defense wasn't that bad
And I’m not entirely convinced that a moose and a squirrel couldn’t play defense 3 times better than John Lickliter. I don’t have anything against the kid, but it’s absolutely insane to claim that he isn’t a downgrade from Tucker in every aspect of the game other than the nebulous “hustle”.
Moose and squirrel is one of the many nicknames for Bawinkle.
"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me
by BStylin Hawkye on Feb 12, 2010 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
I would take this team as they are today than the team they were 2 months ago.
As of right now, they have been competitive in 8 of their last 9 games, winning 4 of them. I’d say thats pretty damn good team chemistry for them.
"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me
by BStylin Hawkye on Feb 12, 2010 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
I'm with you, BStylin, I guess, maybe...
Tucker leaving could be a weight off the shoulders of all involved. He appears to be a kid who needs to get his life squared away.
Anymore defections, though, and we’re probably talking about the end of the Lickliter era.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Feb 12, 2010 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed on Lick.
I think thats a general concensus around here.
"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me
by BStylin Hawkye on Feb 12, 2010 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
And I like the guy...
And I like the kids we got. They’re busting ass out there. That’s part of what makes this so frustrating: We may have to give the hook to a guy who did his best and didn’t drag the program through the mud.
Hell. It stops being a game when they start paying the coaches.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Feb 12, 2010 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
"They're busting ass out there"
So says the guy with no pants. You make an excellent point here, though. For what little the guy has brought so far in terms of success, he has kept up the moral standards of what we wanted in a coach post-Alford (sans Tucker).
"I know you're from Middle America, and sometimes you feel like you're representing more than just a school or a conference, maybe an entire group of American citizens out there."
by Twin Cities Hawk on Feb 12, 2010 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
Any more other than Brommer, I assume you mean.
I’m not ready for a world in which White Worley determines a coach’s fate.
I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks
The “White Worley” made me chuckle. Glen had the hops of a 45 year old man at the gym. Nice guy though. He was always very friendly to me.
"You taught me a lesson, I was going to give someone the benefit of doubt, and I almost did, then something said, no don't, don't, its not for you, its not my thing" Larry David,
Worley! Hah!
Ol’ Thunderass would just lumber down the court and chuck threes. During an MSU game at Carver I got so angry I hit the off button on the TV at work and busted it. Still broken.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Feb 12, 2010 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
This made me feel defensive about Glen Worley
Wasn’t sure that was possible.
Worley
took J.R. Koch’s place for me as Most Frustrating Hawkeye during his “career”.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Feb 12, 2010 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
I got to see him up close a few times...
He was a good kid. Just very, very, very, veryveryvery poorly coached.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Feb 12, 2010 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
Which one?
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Feb 12, 2010 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
Worley
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Feb 12, 2010 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
Ah, Glen Worley
The ass of Reggie Evans
The arms of Acie Earl
The free throw stroke of Brody Boyd
The grace of Greg Helmers…
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Feb 13, 2010 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
sure
They’ve been better than “god awful-shitty” that they were, but being sort of competitive against a bunch of average teams isn’t anything. We’ve been that for all of Lick’s tenure. Hell, one of those 4 wins was a game where they were back and forth at home against (5-20) Tennessee State.
And why would anyone assume that the team hates Tucker anyway? From all my interactions with the team they seemed to get along great.
USA #1
by Anonymous Hero on Feb 12, 2010 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
"A man goes broke slowly, then all at once."
I don’t think it will take much at this point for Hawkeye Hoops to be flat busted. Hell, maybe it already is.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Feb 12, 2010 12:15 PM CST reply actions
It's not about chemistry
so much as it is about moving forward. Tucker clearly has some problems in his life and he needs to get it together. The Iowa basketball team, no matter how bad, couldn’t just sit around waiting for a kid to hopefully become a man. It never happened for Pierre Pierce and, to a lesser extent, it didn’t happen for Chris Kingsbury. In both cases, the players the program sat around and waited for never “came around” and they were worse for it. I’m sincerely hoping this doesn’t lead to yet another mass exodus (and what would surely be the end for Lick), but I do think it’s for the best.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
Don't get me wrong...
Ferentz loses players each year to transfer. It is the imediate gratificatioon culture we live in, combined with an internet (and yes, we are partly to blame) convincing everyone they are a star. Tucker will likely go to a less prominent basketball school with lesser academic demands and do very well. I wish him the best.
But, there needs to be a BALANCE. Has anyone heard any of the “core” guys sing Lickliter’s praises? I hear them sticking up for “the team” and each other but the silence is deafening where coach love is concerned. That, more than his ability to do Xs and Os, recruit, create on-campus belief and enthusiasm or do a boring post-game press conference, is what concerns me about the culture he has created. Great coaching, at the end of the day, is about lifting people up to do things for the team that they might not do for themelves, to take them to places they never thought they could go athletically and personally. Bad coaching often does the opposite. I’m not seeing either frankly…it just seems blah.
"Gravity cannot be held responsible for Tiger's fall." -- Albert Einstein
Very good observation...
I once said that Lickliter didn’t seem to have much personality when dealing with the media. It is probably similar to his work with the players behind the scenes. And I can’t really say this next thing with anything approaching certainty, but I wonder how much humor and inspiration that his assistant coaches can provide.
There is a physical toll that basketball takes from these players. Then, there is probably somewhat of a toll taken by academics. If you add a boring situation with little joy/fun/humor to that mix, it is easy to see that the Iowa Hawkeye experience for basketball may be way less desirable than all of us fans would dream it is.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Feb 13, 2010 8:05 AM CST up reply actions
The word that comes to mind when I think of Iowa basketball right now is...
JOYLESS.
Lickliter looks joyless, the players look joyless, the fans are clearly joyless, and this latest situation is another joyless happening. Lickliter is slowly reminding me are Eric Mangini of the Browns: boring, aloof, awkward communicator, and not loved (or hated) by his players or the fans. Like eating a prison dinner.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
Good comment...
However, I must admit that I have no first-hand knowledge about what a prison dinner tastes like. I will defer to your expertise on that one, Stoops.
LOL
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Feb 13, 2010 8:40 AM CST up reply actions
Imagine no salt, no pepper and everything boiled.
Like in the film Biloxi Blues.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
by StoopsMyAss on Feb 13, 2010 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
I have a doctor's note about my upset stomach. (Biloxi Blues)
I once worked with a woman whose boyfriend was once in prison. I’m not sure if she meant a county or a state facility. He only ate food that he cooked in his own cell on a hot plate, because he was afraid that the kitchen staff would put, how shall I say it, their own personal seasonings into the food that the general population was given.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Feb 13, 2010 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
How much of this atmosphere
falls on the assistants? I am of the opinion that the head coach should be more of an administrator and in-game manager. It’s the assistants that should be making those personal connections and lighting the fire under “their” guys. Under Davis I knew the name of every assistant. Now I could not name a single guy down that bench.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Feb 13, 2010 10:31 AM CST up reply actions
I would argue that...
in basketball, you only have 4 or 5 coaches that can make those connections or relationships. If one or two of those guys act like your boring uncle, then you might not feel exuberant about putting in all those hours of hard work/conditioning/shooting/etc.
Also, in football, the game itself is so violent, that if your coach is a bit mellow (as Ferentz seems to be), it is cool. In football, you might interact with a recruiting coordinator, your position coach, a grad assistant or something similar, the coordinator of your side of the ball (offense, defense, etc), at least one or two members of the strength and conditioning staff, and hopefully your head coach.
Also, the head coach is the “ultimate” leader in both sports. And when I say ultimate, I mean the guy everyone is eventually looking to.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Feb 13, 2010 2:32 PM CST up reply actions
Another Blow
The point that one of Lickliter’s players wants out is a very astute one and starts to push back on the talking point that only Alford’s players are unhappy.
This Hawkeye team is clearly undermanned and even though they have been competitive recently, they could still use the services of talented player like Tucker. Chemistry arguments for a 9 win team are kind of hard to defend on the surface.
Personally, 19 year olds getting drunk in Iowa City is hardly some unique epidemic and especially after some of the more severe crimes committed by Hawkeye student athletes in recent years.
My biggest issue with Tucker is that it seemed the kid was being toyed around with. Tucker messed up and deserved to be punished. If you want to jettison the kid, then get rid of him and allow him to transfer somewhere else at semester. There is a strong case that he should be kicked off team for violating his agreement with the coach and I am sure most fans would have been disappointed but would have understood the decision. I did not get how the University cleared the kid and Lickliter said he was holding him out for his own good but stringing him along seems to be contradictory to being in Tucker’s best interests or his teammates for that matter too.
I wish the kid good luck in the future.
"You taught me a lesson, I was going to give someone the benefit of doubt, and I almost did, then something said, no don't, don't, its not for you, its not my thing" Larry David,
Jermaine Davis
Davis was a Lickliter recruit who wanted out, and afterwards said that he did not like The System and felt he was mislead before he got here.
USA #1
by Anonymous Hero on Feb 12, 2010 1:21 PM CST up reply actions
Is it just me
or does that picture of Tucker make him look like a dazed Mark Ruffalo?
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
Wow
I’m pretty amazed at the level of negativity regarding this news here at BHGPs.
It seems pretty clear to me that Tucker has been a pretty piss poor teammate, whether guys like him or not. Strike 1 – bad grades. Strike 2 – getting shit-faced drunk and busted. Strike 3 – getting shit-faced drunk and busted AGAIN.
Yeah, a one-time PI or grade problems wouldn’t land you that deep in KF’s doghouse. But I gotta think the Captain would absolutely doghouse someone who pulled Tucker’s string of bullshit.
This looks to be addition by subtraction as far as I’m concerned – particularly if Iowa can use the scholarship for a player that plays defense and doesn’t act like a dumbass and get himself suspended for more than half of BOTH HIS FIRST TWO YEARS on the team!
More likely
the scholarship goes to a mediocre wing player who transfers away after a year or two.
USA #1
by Anonymous Hero on Feb 12, 2010 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
The point here is that Lickliter
is not exactly proving himself to be a character builder. And Iowa is not exactly Alabama football under Bear Bryant, where he would recruit 10 QBs so Auburn and the rest of the SEC had none.
Iowa has to make their meagher recruting oportunities work. And so far, if Matt Gatens finishes the season poorly then Mr. Lickliter is about to lose his best and leading scorer to transfer in back, to back, to back seasons. Those are the facts. (Gatens is .3 points ahead of Tucker in scoring average)
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
meager...sheesh
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
Tucker joins Kelly and Freeman
in case you were wondering…both of whom were leading scorers for Iowa…then they vanished. Tucker will likely be the leading scorer for Iowa at season’s end…in terms of average.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
Haven't read all previous posts
But I think one of the biggest problems is a lack of communication and the absence of a relationship between Lick and his players. I hate citing Facebook as a journalistic source when reporting fact, but earlier in the week someone asked Tuck when he’d be on the court again, and Tuck said “I’m the wrong person to ask on that one.” If Tucker didn’t even have any indication when he’d be back, that’s a serious problem, IMO. There’s got to be some kind of better relationship there. If Brommer leaves, whoopty doo. But if we have a transfer of magnitude, like Fuller, then we are in deep shit my friends, deep shit.
by south_texas_hawk on Feb 12, 2010 2:02 PM CST reply actions
Correction....Lickliter is in deep shit (if Fuller leaves)
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
Lickliter has bent over and taken it up the ass sans lube for Tucker
the only loser in this equation is Tucker and I guarantee the rest of the team will pull together and take a significant step forward with his departure.
If you feel like singing along, don't.
James Taylor
Then IMO he should have manned up and kicked him off the team
otherwise it sends a message to your team that you’re wishy washy, not to mention that now that, what 6 or so guys have transferred in the last three years you look like you cannot work with players that you did not recruit, you cannot work with players from JCs, you cannot work with players you did recruit but are immature…and you just sent a message to your players that your line in the sand moves with the wind. In short, you’re all over the place as a coach outside of the Xs and Os, and oh, by the way, your closing in on the worst record in Iowa basketball history.
The buck stops where?
I have to wonder, why did he dress the kid for Ohio State and Northwestern if he had no intention of playing him. The kid’s a mess to begin with and that is just like fucking with him. From the outside looking in, he handled this poorly and was played by very immature basketball player. It just looks bad.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
Things may not be as they appear to you.
Where in this process has Lickliters “line in the sand” shifted? Lick has been consistant throughout the process. The only thing that has changed was Tucker’s decision to stick it out and earn his way back into good standing with the team.
Tucker knew full well that he would not play against OSU or NW but was given the chance to dress as a team member rather than sit at home or sit in street clothes. How is that fucking with the kid?
Lick laid out a path for Tucker to follow in order to return to good standing with the team after his third stupid mistake. How is that fucking with the kid?
If you feel like singing along, don't.
James Taylor
Good points, Klug.
In certain situations, Lick really strikes me as a “baby steps” kind of guy. It appears that he made no guarantees to Tucker as to when he would actually start playing in games again. The dressing thing is a chance for him to symbolically rejoin the team. You have a team that might be playing its best ball in this past month or five weeks.
Who do you take Tucker’s minutes from? Certainly not any of our current starters. And if Lil John, Cougill, and Bawinkel are all still hustling in practice, how can you take minutes from them? That leaves Brommer’s 7 mpg.
The last lesson that Tucker never learned was how to patiently make amends for previous indiscretions. He didn’t learn it. So now, he will transfer to some Missouri Valley or Horizon League school, and they will probably not make him learn those lessons.
On a side note, wouldn’t it be hilarious if [name redacted] got him to transfer to the Lobos?
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Feb 13, 2010 8:35 AM CST up reply actions
Yep, agree ...
I don’t think Lick was messin’ with Tucker at all. He LET him dress, dressing doesn’t assume PT. Ever. And we don’t have the details of the conversations be tween Lick and Tuck. So we can’t speculate that Lick hadn’t verbally outlined a plan. It’s entirely possible that he did but that Tuck just didn’t “get it.” I mean, come on, it’s not like the kid has shown much in the way of personal responsibility.
I also don’t see how Tucker’s departure — specifically — would lead to further exodus. But I’m not saying that couldn’t happen.
And, for the record, I really don’t understand why Tucker would want to leave Iowa City. There are fantastic opportunities for those who excel at beer pong and flip cup in that town.
by Bizryter on Feb 13, 2010 8:36 AM CST up reply actions
Lickliter odd stats
- He makes $1.2 million a year, until this year, more than Matt Painter and Bruce Weber.
- He has the losingest record among all Big Ten coaches (14-34 in the Big Ten).
- He has personally recruited 8 players to the campus prior to the current freshman class, and three of them (as of today) have chosen to transfer (60% retention rate).
- He inherited six players, five of whom did not graduate with Iowa or go pro (16% retention rate).
- Including the current freshman class Lickliter has brought in fewer players than have left Iowa prior to graduation.
- Men’s basketball attendance is at an all-time low with paid attendnace at 9,165 and ACTUAL attednance at 4,591 (every game was sold out as recently as 2000-01).
- The leading scorer by average has chosen to transfer in each of his three seasons. (Gatens has a .3 ppg lead on Tucker and has been trending down and will likely be below Tucker by season’s end).
- Iowa is 196th in offensive proficiency. They are 257th in defensive FG % effectiveness. That is called not having an identity.
- Iowa is 1-5 against the spread in games they were favored (9-16 overall). Yet, Iowa’s SOS is #85 nationally.
Summary: This coach has not conveyed to the paying public, to the Iowa fan base, a vision plan for how he plans to get Iowa back to a winning team. He cannot retain players, even those who are leading scorers with ample playing time. He is, as of today, still “breaking down the team” and rebuilding the roster. He has had player distractions almost every week of his three seasons coaching this team. He has struggled with multiple incidents of team chemistry issues, whether it be transfer rumors, players arrested for drinking, illness and injury mysteries, and, of course, losing.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
by StoopsMyAss on Feb 13, 2010 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
So then who
is the right man for the job? I’m not saying you are wrong to want a change, I’m just at a loss to think of who could possibly turn this around. The facilities are inferior to most other Big Ten programs, there is no program identity, the disparity of popularity between this team and the football team is the widest I can ever remember, the attendance is well-documented and the Big Ten, right now, has what I feel to be the strongest collection of coaches who combine X’s & O’s with charisma and credentials (only DeChellis and Carmody have failed to get teams as far as the Sweet 16)…it’s not exactly a situation bursting with hope. Who would you pick?
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Feb 13, 2010 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
Reading Stoops “facts” list, this is an unmitigated disaster with few signs of ending. In isolation, Tucker leaving, in light of his well documented issues, is not a big deal. The 3 year body of work couldn’t be more fucked up.
So again,
who is the right fit for this program?!?
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Feb 13, 2010 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
Hire someone who will get the campus fired up
I want Lickliter to work but I am realizing he cannot galvanize anything. He lacks a big presence. IF he were winning and the program were making major leaps forward, then his lack of communication skills would be overlooked. Leadership is my issue with this guy, not his system, not his game Xs and Os, not even his recruiting. He seems to lack leadership. I am VERY troubled by his most recent comments to Scott Doc where he said “I can’t be held responsbile for how people view me. They will see what they see” or words to that effect. Well, how you are viewed falls squarely on how you communicated with and through the media. IT would help if the players were selling him and the program too…it just isn’t happening. It, in fact, seems like drudgery and as I said up top, it is joyless.
As for who, I don’t know. Someone maybe less proven but with tons of energy and charisma. I think Iowa has fallen to the point that we need to throw a hail mary on a coaching hire. I really see this Tucker fiasco as a major failing on Lickliter. He is responsible to set a standard or make it work. Well, the middle happened. He gave the kid a chance and it didn’t work. So, the message here is what? Stand by your ethics or make things work…just a big jumble fuck IMO.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
Hire someone who will get the campus fired up
Careful… that’s how you get a Coach (Name Redacted).
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Feb 13, 2010 8:18 PM CST up reply actions
Right
And, for example, did Ferentz’s hiring get the campus fired up? I don’t recall that it did. And he wasn’t and isn’t looked at as a personality with tons of energy and charisma. Is that a necessary requirement for a coach? Shit, even coach K can put you to sleep during a presser.
And I still don’t see how we can pin Tucker’s booze probs on Lick.
by Bizryter on Feb 13, 2010 10:26 PM CST up reply actions
By Ferentz's third year his system, his approach
had broken through and he “proved” himself. Ferentz faced much greater antipathy in year two than Lickliter did. As for Ferentz, by year three they were in the Alamo Bowl and the general public could see they were headed in the right direction. We all know what happened in year four.
Now, how is that remotely comparable to this debacle? Are you convinced that this team will be in the post season next year? The year after? The year after that? Do you see Lickliter as a strong leader who clearly and effectively conveys to the campus his plan? Who is the Bob Sanders on this team?
As for Name Redacted, some fans for some reason act as though a proper standard would be for Lickliter to outperform him to prove himself. I would hope that Name Redacted is NOT the standard for Iowa coaches. Dr. Tom is the standard for me. He was a great representative of the University, took the team to the post season regularly, and played an exciting brand of basketball. He also recruited very well from outside of Iowa. If Lickliter ccould match him in any of those departments I would be encouraged.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
I think...
Eric May might be the Bob Sanders of this team. A very young, possibly less-effective Sanders.
But, he is athletic, and (despite the fact that he is 6’5") he seems a bit small for his position (wing).
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Feb 14, 2010 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
He's very good...
we’ll have to wait and see if he is a silent leader. I’m having a hard time seeing him as a leader right now. But it is early.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
I don't know about "right for the program."
But, if Barta has a list, I bet it looks like this:
1) Keno Davis
2) Ben Jacobson of UNI
3) Gary Close of Wisconsin (he’s a former Tom Davis assistant, and a former IC Regina head coach).
4) Rob Jeter
5) Brad Brownell of Wright State
6) Random Kansas assistant (Danny Manning, Joe Dooley, Brett Ballard).
7) Bobby Knight (I am laughing, but I would love this).
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Feb 13, 2010 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
Anyone know
if Bobby Hansen or Matt Bullard have any coaching experience…
No way that Keno bolts PC this quickly and I’m not sure that the Davis family would be all to keen to reunite with a school that did not part with them on the best terms.
I would forward Southern Illinois coach, Chris Lowery, as a possibility. He has deep Midwestern roots and a history of success, although he has hit a rough patch lately. Also, Dana Altman may finally be ready to leave Creighton. There’s no question he knows recruiting in Iowa and he’s a solid X’s & O’s guy.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Feb 13, 2010 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
Not in love with that list
but we are who we are. Of those, I like Manning. I’m wondering about Collins at Duke. Super young but that is the type of flyer I would take. Dad was a coach and has sat next to Coach K. Young. I’ve read, intense and smart enough. Hell, if we are going to go .500 or worse for the foreseeable future, let’s do it with style and daring.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
wow
i couldn’t have come up with a worse list if I tried.
USA #1
by Anonymous Hero on Feb 14, 2010 1:55 AM CST up reply actions
Keno Davis?
So the guy who parlayed one good season out of an All-American senior point guard at an MVC school into a failing Big East gig, and you think he’s at the top of your list?
I hate to be so blunt, but that kind of superficial ignorance has no place in the UI’s decision-making process.
I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks
He played a pretty big role in making that point guard into the player he was
Emmenecker (who wasn’t an all-american, but whatever) came in as a walk-on, so it’s not like Keno was riding a talent-laden team. It’s also a little early to call his job a Providence a failure. I mean, he certainly should be anywhere near the top of Iowa’s list, but you’re being way to hard on him.
In fairness to me...
I was trying to include people who might actually want to come to Iowa for the price Iowa will want to pay (800k to 1.5 million). To get Danny Manning, or somebody else that is a name, we will have to pay big money (probably at least 1.5 million).
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Feb 14, 2010 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
I think 1.2 million (Lick's salary as best as I can tell) will get anyone who
is not at a major D-1 team or is an assistant. The make or break is whether these guys think Iowa can rebuild to being a top flight team. Money comes when you win.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
Many coaches would be interested in the Iowa job.
I’m not going to advocate cutting Lickliter loose at the end of the season, but a comment frequently made here on BHGP that I take issue with is the “what coach would want to come to Iowa if we fire a coach after 3 seasons”. There are talented assistant coaches and many head coaches making a fraction of Lickliter’s salary who see, 1) Major conference opportunity, 2) Initial low expectations (easy act to follow), 3) Great fan support if you can rally it. 4) Money.
I agree with much of Stoop’s thread, especially regarding Ferentz. The first season for Ferentz was painful, but it wasn’t long before it was apparent the program was moving in the right direction.
by Space Hawkeye on Feb 14, 2010 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
I think Lick does have a "vision plan" or identity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Butler_Way
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Feb 13, 2010 2:43 PM CST up reply actions
That might be the problem. Transferring a culture might not be possible.
He might have been better served creating a new one from the ground up here. I am seeing Steve Spurrier here. I am seeing Ty Willingham. I am seeing Bobby Cremins, Norm Roberts.
When Thad Matta went to Ohio State did he preach all about the Butler Way? Nada. And he learned at the tit of Barry Collier the stated guru of Todd Lickliter.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
FAT Tucker
is slow and an overrated shooter. Half the guys on our team are not Division 1 big time conference players. As for Lickliter, I’m pretty tired of making excuses for his Horizon League coaching level. This is the B10. This offense is awful and unless you go 12-24 from behind the arc, like Wednesday night, you get your ass handed to you. Have you ever seen Carver this empty??? It’s depressing and makes me wish we still had Dr. Tom. 17-20 win seasons every year, 75% of the time he won his 1st Tourney game too. This is a joke. People laugh at us when they see us on the schedule. I give him one more year if that. If anyone of us did our jobs this shitty we would be canned a long time ago.
Purdue by 20 today……….
Quick, grab the pitchfork away from the fortnight toker...
…(he seems a bit uptight for a pothead).
Seriously though… Stoops, Ross, other random posters… I love y’all, but seriously.
The last few weeks have exceeded most peoples’ expectations for the year and all anyone can say is that the teams we’ve beat weren’t playing well when we won (when one team plays better than another they usually win… I learned that from John Madden).
Now we have a player who, two years running, has been on the bench more than the court due to his inability to figure out the student (read: LIFE) part of student-athlete. He decides to transfer presumably because his coach stood by his principles rather than going for a band-aid solution that surely would have left us rehashing this next year (when Tucker would be pulled, drunken and hypothermic, from the Iowa River). This player who has really done nothing to contribute to his team, who has been more of an amusing distraction than anything, decides to go find greener pastures and the Hawkeye interwebs let out a collective “Doooooooooooooommmmmmmmed.” I just don’t get it.
I know the transfer situation looks bad, but really, these things aren’t happening in a vaccum. I’m not happy with it, but seemingly each person has had a compelling reason (Palmer seemed the exception), so I don’t see why it’s Chicken Little time. I’m curious how many transfers left Butler when Lick was there. Is it Lick? Is it the Iowa program? Is it the players? Is it the rebuilding problem? Maybe they only stayed because they were winning.
Sorry for the tirade (or whatever) but three days ago this post would have seemed so completely out of place. Now, one crappy defender who never logged that many minutes due to personal problems leaves and you’d think we were in week two again (when everyone was sure we wouldn’t win a game all season). I just thought we didn’t do the illogically over-reactionary posts on this site.
Just sit tight. We’ve only got five reg season games left, and four of them are Mich., jNWU, Indiana, and Minnesota… so we’ve got chances to win. I don’t know what will happen in the future, but I do know no one wants to come to a school whose fan base doesn’t attend games and flies off the deep end whenever there’s bad news. Let’s keep level heads and not add to the problems.
Football has a spring game coming up. Prime Time League should be interesting with the new recruits. Et cetera.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Feb 13, 2010 8:15 PM CST up reply actions
Your looking at this differently than I am
Coaching is about putting together a whole that works in a unified way toward a common goal. Every player is important on small teams, like a basketball team. Players are buddies with each other, they room with each other. They grow up with each other. How a coach treats another player is improtant to them and they feel it. This is not pro basketball. The reason Ferentz is admired by his team is that his values and methods are not confusing, they are not hard to read, and they make sense and are consistently enforced.
Lickliter does not impress me with his leadership skills. He looks lost to me. He looks incapable of dealing with any kid that isn’t the perfect citizen. He also does not impress me as a guy who empowers his team. This team looks lost in the leadership department. My sense is that it is all due to Lickliter’s obsessive committment to selflessness. There is a fine line between selfless and reluctant. We’ve crossed over.
"I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just going to ask them where they’re going and hook up with them later." M.H.
Whoops
that was supposed to be a reply to endo4weeks (did I really just type that?).
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Feb 13, 2010 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
Tucker rumors cont ...
Tucker is heading Southern Miss to play for someone who will appreciate his keg stands basketball skills.
by Bizryter on Feb 14, 2010 10:28 AM CST reply actions
That would be awesome.
You just know that Larry will have a nice welcoming party for Tucker:

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Feb 14, 2010 2:31 PM CST up reply actions
Girls in Ames and Hattisburg
must really love mock turtlenecks.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Feb 14, 2010 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
Still ...
Soo hilarious, the Eustachy house-party pics. Still.
by Bizryter on Feb 15, 2010 2:41 PM CST up reply actions

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