Derrell Johnson-Koulianos Faces Seven Drug Charges, Admits To Basically Everything
by Adam Jacobi on Dec 8, 2010 12:39 AM CST
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PrintIf you haven't heard already, folks, the DJK Era is over, and it is over in jaw-dropping fashion. As Marc Morehouse has reported over at the Gazette, Derrell Johnson-Koulianos and his roommate were arrested today on a slew of drug charges, including possession of cocaine:
Johnson-Koulianos faces seven charges: four counts of possession of controlled substances, two counts of unlawful possession of prescription drugs and one count of keeping a drug house. These are all misdemeanors.
Investigators found more than $3,000 in cash, marijuana, cocaine and prescription drugs in the house during the search, police said. The circumstances which prompted the search were not known Tuesday night.
Officers located a small amount of marijuana in Johnson-Koulianos’ bedroom. Upon arrest, Johnson-Koulianos told police he smokes marijuana and that he’d smoked it within the past 24 hours.
A urine test administered by arresting officers showed a preliminary positive for marijuana and cocaine, criminal complaints state. Johnson-Koulianos admitted to using cocaine after investigators found residue of the drug in his bedroom, complaints state.
Johnson-Koulianos told arresting officers that various prescription pain killers and muscle relaxers police found in his bedroom were also his, and that "he gets them from friends" and takes them without having a prescription.
Officers also reported finding "electronic media" showing Johnson-Koulianos in possession of cocaine and marijuana, complaints state.
Ughhhhhhhh. As you can probably guess, Kirk Ferentz suspended the living hell out of DJK, and it's extremely unlikely that he plays in the Insight Bowl. And really, that's the least of DJK's worries at this point.
What's surprising is just how much drug use DJK admitted to right off the bat. He's taking drug tests, admitting to taking the drugs, admitting to taking more without prescriptions... basically admitting everything, really, without putting the burden of proof on the police. This could be the wisest move in the long run in terms of getting clean and honest with himself about what was going on, but drug convictions are life-wreckers, and DJK doesn't appear to be doing much to fight anything in front of him. Maybe the cooperation buys him some leniency from the judge and prosecutors. Maybe I've been watching too much of "The Wire" recently and I assume all lawyers are Maury Levy. Maybe.
At any rate, let's hope that the bad news stops here, and that DJK finds some way to get some of those charges to go away. I'm sure other people around here are more knowledgeable about the probability of that. It's just incredibly depressing to see DJK's career end like this, and whatever mitigation can take place would be most welcome.
Also, I really, really hope this level of drug use was isolated to DJK, as the football team goes. We're talking about some awfully destructive habits here, and even though DJK's performance on the field didn't seem to be affected week-to-week -- he was five receiving yards away from having this be his most productive year as a Hawkeye across the board -- heavy drug use doesn't exactly have a great track record of ending well, and the last thing the program needs is more players getting nailed for using dangerous substances (most of which are illegal for perfectly good reasons).
There's really no telling what the next day, week, month, and year hold for updates to this story. "Nothing" would be good. I hope there's nothing more to come out. Someone with DJK's personality doesn't seem like the type to do things in a vacuum, though, and that's what worries me in terms of this mess affecting other players.
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The way it sounds
he was high as a kite. And maybe then some. He probably didn’t know what the hell he was even doing.
I guess SMA kind of mentioned it below...
…but I’d be surprised if the cops didn’t tell him to cooperate unless he wanted them to start poking their collective nose around the football team and/or to drag Ferentz through the mud. Say what you will about DJK, but he has always appreciated Iowa City and loved the program (as far as any observer can tell at least) and I think he probably fell on the sword to a degree.
I know that last part is a big opinion with nothing really to go on, but that’s the only real reason to admit to everything up front that I know of. You admit to everything to essentially stop the investigation right there.
Maybe that’s just wishful thinking, but that’s my feeling.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Dec 8, 2010 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
Do you really think
the ICPD is going to go after Kirk Ferentz., a wealthy and well connected man whom the University, the State of Iowa and most of the boosters have a strong interest is seeing remain untarnished, for some petty drug crimes committed by one of his players?
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Not what I was saying.
I don’t suspect KF was part of the drug deals or anything like that, but the cops could have made this VERY messy for the school that DJK has gone over the top to profess his love for. They could have (and may have) started investigating others on the team, looked into any sort of criminal cover-up in the testing process (not that there was one, but that doesn’t matter once the ball starts rolling), and generally could have made life hard on the football program just years after they climbed out of a messy hole.
All of those things are exactly what KF and company don’t need right now. In my (admittedly “wishful thinking”) scenario DJK admitted to it all rather than dragging the whole team through the mud again.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Dec 8, 2010 5:33 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, yes I do.
Why? FUCK THA POLICE DON’T FUCKIN’ TESTIFY UNLESS YOU WANT A BULLET IN THE HEAD TURN THAT SHIT UP MAN GUERRILLA RADIO!
Fun little compilation of Rage Against the Machine lines there.
Seriously, I don’t doubt that the ICPD would threaten to open investigations on half the damn team to make Koulianos confess.
So what if I tailgate to the NPR jazz station?
Judging as how they nailed his son for walking while intoxicated
I have a suspicion that they are trying to give him a message.
At the very least are not going to give KF or the program any slack.
And, although I know that I am getting way out into speculation/tin foil hat land, with not a single verifiable fact to back this statement up; Judging by how the team was treated with leniency during the Hayden Fry days, I am wondering if the ICPD didn’t receive more anonymous donations during those years.
Hawks for the win and falafels for the vagina
by DoYouLoveHawksorHate'Merica? on Dec 9, 2010 2:24 AM CST up reply actions
No offense....
…but sometimes the only option a person has is to tell the truth to the officer that has just caught you red handed. Especially in drug cases. The sad part is that due to DJK’s public life he’s not going to get the chance to work with the narcotics officers and get this thing taken care of quietly.
I learned a great many things in the Marines that helped me as a football coach. The Marines train men hard and to do things the right way, just as a football team must train. - Hayden Fry
by NileKinnickIronman on Dec 8, 2010 8:02 AM CST up reply actions
He's probably
positioning himself as separate from the roomie dealer. The police might have intimated that if he is withholding then say good bye to any good will from this whole mess. That is a classic police tactic, paint everyone with the same brush so people start talking to define/establish their level of involvement.
I am betting that in the end DJK gets in some pretty minimal legal hot water. It is his public persona and NFL prospects that will take a major, major hit. Also, he may have a drug problem that requires fairly involved rehab—although that seems less likely to me since a) no one on the team intervened ever (in an official capacity about this) and b) he seemed functional as a football player (unlikely if he was a serious user).
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
I don't thinks this necessarily means DJK does not have a serious drug problem
he seemed functional as a football player
There have been plenty of athletes who have had very, very big problems with alcohol and narcotics and still functioned at Hall of Fame levels of play.
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
But on a college campus, the oversight is FAR greater
so by functional I mean he was living among football players and coaches to a far greater extent than a professional athlete does, and there is a greater sense of in loco parentis and yet this behavior did not get him in trouble with the football team until it got him in trouble with the law.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
I agree that his problem is likely a newish problem
There isn’t a single secret that can be kept at my work, much less a matrix of 100 19-22 year old kids. If there was a long time coke problem then it would have worked it’s way back to the staff. As far as the weed and painkillers go, it is somewhat of a sad indictment in modern football that those items are almost viewed as needed to cope with the pain and injuries. Of the substances that are gonna be the hardest to kick it will probably be the opiate based painkillers. They are an absolute bastard to stop taking, and they are legal so many people have a skewed view about their addictiveness. I am hoping that DJK just moves on with treatment/ serving his punishment, continues to workout, stays clean, and gets a chance at the NoFunLeague.
I learned a great many things in the Marines that helped me as a football coach. The Marines train men hard and to do things the right way, just as a football team must train. - Hayden Fry
by NileKinnickIronman on Dec 8, 2010 9:18 AM CST up reply actions
I took Vicodin after surgery
and felt myself getting withdrawl symptoms are 3 days. So I can’t imagine what some of these guys have to go through to kick them.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Not a drug problem?
He would rather smoke a bowl, than play in one. That is a problem.
Battles are won with a hammer, wars are won with a scalpel
Speaking of drugs
Am I just a square for thinking cocaine and even pot are “bad”?
"Welcome to the PSU Salvation Army. I've never been associated with a defense so nice about giving touchdowns away." - Coach Fry, modified
by ReadingRambler on Dec 8, 2010 9:56 AM CST up reply actions
yes
No self-respecting man from Iowa goes anywhere without beer
by Hayden Fry's Moustache Ride on Dec 8, 2010 9:57 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not sure why I asked.
I already knew I was a square.
"Welcome to the PSU Salvation Army. I've never been associated with a defense so nice about giving touchdowns away." - Coach Fry, modified
by ReadingRambler on Dec 8, 2010 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
nothing wrong with being a square
as long as you don’t get high and mighty about it. Everybody has their unique problems in life, just can’t judge others for their specific problems that aren’t your own (if that’s truly possible)
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Dec 8, 2010 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
Cool!
I agree with you. Now I’m going to go rock out to “Okie from Muskogee”
"Welcome to the PSU Salvation Army. I've never been associated with a defense so nice about giving touchdowns away." - Coach Fry, modified
by ReadingRambler on Dec 8, 2010 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
Now that we agree
I can admit that I’m also kind of a square at this point. Got heavy into alcohol in college and still do at tailgating, but I’ve never taken anything “illegal”. But a lot of people around me did. Some were worse off for it, but most grew out of it with no problems whatsoever. Hopefully that’s DJK’s path.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Dec 8, 2010 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
Being a square sucks
Being a rhombus is where it’s at.
Battles are won with a hammer, wars are won with a scalpel
It's hip to be square.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Is it really Huey?
"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me
by BStylin Hawkye on Dec 8, 2010 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe more than you think.
In the groupie-heavy 1980’s Huey Lewis is amazing reported to have the biggest…talent.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Dec 8, 2010 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
And he wannted a new drug!
"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me
by BStylin Hawkye on Dec 8, 2010 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
Not at all.
The inherent problems with both drugs run deeper than just harming your self.
I learned a great many things in the Marines that helped me as a football coach. The Marines train men hard and to do things the right way, just as a football team must train. - Hayden Fry
by NileKinnickIronman on Dec 8, 2010 9:57 AM CST up reply actions
he may not be wrong
but he’s certainly a square
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Dec 8, 2010 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
Why do you have to ask that question
you are opening a big can of worms there.
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Dec 8, 2010 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
Yup.
Unless you’re a teetotaler, then you are consistent.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
Bellanca, man
I feel ya
No self-respecting man from Iowa goes anywhere without beer
by Hayden Fry's Moustache Ride on Dec 8, 2010 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
About that...
"Welcome to the PSU Salvation Army. I've never been associated with a defense so nice about giving touchdowns away." - Coach Fry, modified
by ReadingRambler on Dec 8, 2010 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
I was born in the Quaker State with “stern” German ancestry, so there you gi.
"Welcome to the PSU Salvation Army. I've never been associated with a defense so nice about giving touchdowns away." - Coach Fry, modified
by ReadingRambler on Dec 8, 2010 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
Germans don't do blow?
No self-respecting man from Iowa goes anywhere without beer
by Hayden Fry's Moustache Ride on Dec 8, 2010 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
They're too busy producing
scat films. The Dutch girls who star in said films, however, are doing MASSIVE amounts of blow. It’s the only way.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
At one time that was true.
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by ReadingRambler on Dec 8, 2010 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
side note
Blow .. great movie
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Dec 8, 2010 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
Clearly you have never seen an Amish kid on Rumspringa
Battles are won with a hammer, wars are won with a scalpel
They get so messed up they go on Jerry Rumspringa
Battles are won with a hammer, wars are won with a scalpel
I'm with ya Rambler
and just as with you, I’m already well aware that I’m a square.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
I agree that both are bad
But having done both at one time or another, I think they are no “worse” than underage kids drinking. Fortuantely for me, I do not have an addictive personality and hated the way pot made me feel so my desire to experiment frequently was negated by lack of resources and desire to do so. What I did was wrong and illegal, but so was drinking beer when I was 17-20 (and then I had to go out and procure the alcohol, the drugs were merely offered to me when I did them). And there is a world of difference between someone who consumes drugs/alcohol and one that sells them.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Yep
And there is a world of difference between someone who consumes drugs/alcohol and one that sells them
One is an entrepreneur
No self-respecting man from Iowa goes anywhere without beer
by Hayden Fry's Moustache Ride on Dec 8, 2010 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
I’ve never done any drugs other than alcohol. That said, I never will say people who do drugs are evil or all deserve to die a nasty death or something (hell, I’ve got some friends who at least use to do them on a consistent basis). My bigger problem comes in when people bitch about getting in trouble for them when they know thy are illegal.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
Agreed
But the same applies to people who bitch about getting speeding tickets or some b.s. open-container infraction or the like. If you get caught, you will face consequences. Not to get off on a tangent, but I just think that recreational drug use should be de-criminalized so that people get treatment, not jail. But that conversation treads dangerously close to the “No Politics” rule, so it’s best to leave for another time/place.
Suffice to say, it is illegal and punishment will be forthcoming for DJK and deservedly so. I just can’t get that worked up about it, too many people engage in the same or essentially the same type of activity for me to say that this is some huge crime against humanity.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
The bigger picture is "where" the drugs come from.
Both Marijuana and Cocaine can be linked to cartels and terrorist groups at the international level. Recreational use doesn’t bother me, it is what it funds.
I learned a great many things in the Marines that helped me as a football coach. The Marines train men hard and to do things the right way, just as a football team must train. - Hayden Fry
by NileKinnickIronman on Dec 8, 2010 10:12 AM CST up reply actions
fffffuuuuuu
let’s not start this kind of shit
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Dec 8, 2010 10:13 AM CST up reply actions
I agree,
So I am sorry to have it there. I am just pointing out that the biggest picture in all of this is lost on most Americans.
I learned a great many things in the Marines that helped me as a football coach. The Marines train men hard and to do things the right way, just as a football team must train. - Hayden Fry
by NileKinnickIronman on Dec 8, 2010 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
go fill up another tank of gas
before spouting that type of BS. It’s not that it’s too “big picture”, it’s that it’s wrong.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Dec 8, 2010 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
While I tend to agree with you
This conversational thread needs to end, NOW. We are already danciing right up on the line of the “NO POLITICS” rule, let’s at least not jump across it.
And to Nile, suffice it say, it would amaze you, me and everyone the number of things that Americans do, both legal and illegal, that end up in the “bigger picture” you mention.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Turn off your tv
and your PS3, I get it. Only difference is gas isn’t illegal.
I learned a great many things in the Marines that helped me as a football coach. The Marines train men hard and to do things the right way, just as a football team must train. - Hayden Fry
by NileKinnickIronman on Dec 8, 2010 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
abort this topic
HoyaGoon is correct here. It’s time to end it. Nothing good comes from arguing this path. Though maybe I should have avoided the word “abort”
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Dec 8, 2010 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
He's not wrong
I think that American drug policy is a giant failure. But the fact is, that the money used to purchase illeagal drugs finds its way back to terrorists orgainzations that use it to fund operations against the US. Most of the money gets back to cartels and results in what we see in Mexico today, or Columbia in the 80’s. Some of the drug lords pull an Al Capone campaign back home and use it to feed the poor in their area, but that is just window dressing and in no way makes up for the harm they do.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Unless you have been involved in each step of the process you are describing...
…then I think your argument is stupid regurgitation of the “official” line and completely uninformed.
Or maybe I just should have said, “Quick, somebody tell Ricky that DJK supports terrorists!”
No politics, so I’ll leave it at that, but I couldn’t not say anything.
On a side note: I’m getting used to the acid/bile taste in the back of my mouth from all of the reflux/dry heaving this season. Is this a good thing or a bad thing?
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Dec 8, 2010 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
OK then
please answer this:
If the ultimate root source of the funding for drug lords and cartels is not the end user, who is it?
Drugs are like any other industry. There are the suppliers of raw materials, manufacturing, logistics chains, distribution networks and points of sale. What makes it all happen is the money the consumer is spending at the point of sale. If the Board of Directors of Proctor & Gamble serves lives kittens for lunch at the meetings, and if this is public knowledge, then every time I purchase a Proctor & Gamble product I am supporting the idea it is OK to eat live kittens.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
As far as worldwide atrocities to the human race are concerned
Buying drugs is no different than shopping at Wal-Mart. Except that, for some reason, it’s still legal to shop at Wal-Mart.
No self-respecting man from Iowa goes anywhere without beer
by Hayden Fry's Moustache Ride on Dec 8, 2010 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
or anything with Kathy Lee-Gifford's name on it.
"Don't talk about me like I'm not here!" Shelby
twitter.com/dmbmeg
She really does
eat live kittens. I used to supply them.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
So I guess we should just shut down the entire U.S. economy.
Of course, I’m from PA and am still bitter about Bethlehem Steel closing up.
"Welcome to the PSU Salvation Army. I've never been associated with a defense so nice about giving touchdowns away." - Coach Fry, modified
by ReadingRambler on Dec 8, 2010 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
I would love to debate this (especially after you compared Proctor & Gamble to drug lords/cartels- - that. is. awesome.)...
…but I like posting here and must say “Agree to disagree.”
Good day sir.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Dec 8, 2010 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
That's crazy
Kittens are best grilled. Or at least roasted.
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
by chitownhawkeye on Dec 8, 2010 7:39 PM CST up reply actions
Batter-dipped & fried.
The skin is the best part!
So just shut your face and take a seat, 'cause after all, you're just talking meat.
by Bucketochicken on Dec 8, 2010 7:43 PM CST up reply actions
/rolls eyes
For real. I actually looked straight at the ceiling on that one.
No self-respecting man from Iowa goes anywhere without beer
by Hayden Fry's Moustache Ride on Dec 8, 2010 10:15 AM CST up reply actions
But it's (mostly) true...
"Welcome to the PSU Salvation Army. I've never been associated with a defense so nice about giving touchdowns away." - Coach Fry, modified
by ReadingRambler on Dec 8, 2010 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
Then I (mostly) apologize for the eye roll.
No self-respecting man from Iowa goes anywhere without beer
by Hayden Fry's Moustache Ride on Dec 8, 2010 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
Yup, he should have stuck to meth to support the local economy.
Keep them dollars in-state.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Dec 8, 2010 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
DJK does not strike me as a bottom dollar kind of guy
So, most likely the pot came from Canada.
Unless you consider Celine Dion, Shania Twain and Rush as terrorist attacks (God knows that would be reasonable)
Or think you hear them sharpening their ice skates to prepare for an attack.
Or if you think that they are literally going to KILL with kindness.
Then this point is even more silly than it seems initially.
Hawks for the win and falafels for the vagina
by DoYouLoveHawksorHate'Merica? on Dec 8, 2010 11:52 PM CST up reply actions
100% agree
I’ve never bitched about any tickets or trouble I’ve gotten in, other than to say it sucked. I got a ticket for 5 over going to one of my brother’s football games a few years ago. My mom and now wife were with me, and both were bitching for the next 30 miles about it. My simple response was “I broke the law.” It sucks, but such is life. Just because it’s not always enforced doesn’t mean all of a sudden you should be pissed when it is. It’s the law, I broke it.
I did try to fight my punishment when I got my fake ID ticket, but that was only because the 2 people with me, who got the same tickets as me, received lesser punishments.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
Yeah but doing all those drugs can throw off your (Nash) equilibrium
"They're not people, James Ingram. They're Jimmy Buffett fans."
by SomeJerkPoster on Dec 8, 2010 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
Caught on a Tuesday night with weed and coke in his system?
I’d say he’s more than an occasional user, and I agree with the above posts about the opiates being probably the worst of his problems if he’s using those regularly.
He may be functional for a very long time with those types of habits (LT and AI made it an entire career), so I don’t think you can factor in his ability on the field as evidence this is a new venture.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Dec 8, 2010 9:37 AM CST up reply actions
Don't forget Michael Irvin
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
Or the Cowboys player
who admitted to putting coke in his asthma inhaler and doing it during the coin-toss of the Super Bowl while standing at mid-field
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Holy shit
somehow I’ve never heard that one. Have you read Boys Will Be Boys? I hate the Cowboys, but it’s a pretty awesome read. Especially when you think about it and realize that there are 31 other teams that probably aren’t much different.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
I want to say it was the guy who was named Super Bowl MVP to boot
Williams or something? One of their DBs on the early 90s teams.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Larry Brown?
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
You mean Neil O'Donnell?
I will always be bitter.
"Welcome to the PSU Salvation Army. I've never been associated with a defense so nice about giving touchdowns away." - Coach Fry, modified
by ReadingRambler on Dec 8, 2010 9:50 AM CST up reply actions
So true
I’m a Dolphins fan so I had no stake in that game whatsoever, but my hatred for the Cowboys runs so deep I legitimately hated Neil O’Donnell forever after that.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
Yes, you are correct sir.
"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me
by BStylin Hawkye on Dec 8, 2010 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
Who was the player in the Super Bowl
whose eyes were so bugged out that he was an internet meme for a while? I want to say he was a Giants player when they beat the Pats, but I can’t remember for sure.
Anyway, he sure looked like he was on something.
"You think you can take me? Go ahead on. It's your move." -- Thomas Jefferson Geronimo III
by IPeeBlackAndGold on Dec 8, 2010 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
at the very least
he’s convicted of being a dipshit, we stood behind him for 4 years and this is how it ends. why do you admit to anything without a lawyer??
that said best case scenario was a suspension and with 1 game left in his career he’s toast no matter what
ugh
by josephacampbell on Dec 8, 2010 12:51 AM CST reply actions
What a shame.
For all that the kid had accomplished in his career, this will probably be his defining moment. DJK was loved by the fans and loathed by his head coach. So much contraversy followed him at every turn. Maybe Ferentz was right afterall. The kid was simply a loose cannon. Hopefully he can learn from this, move on and put it all behind him like many of us want for this past season of disappointment after disappointment.
"The possibility of physical and mental collapse is now very real. No sympathy for the Devil, keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride!" HST
by Dip-Shit on Dec 8, 2010 12:58 AM CST via mobile reply actions
This.
Someone with DJK’s personality doesn’t seem like the type to do things in a vacuum, though, and that’s what worries me in terms of this mess affecting other players.
My thoughts exactly.
Well
It seems as though he had a pretty troubled past before become a part of the Koulianos family. I wouldn’t necessarily say that he’s all that unlikely of a candidate for something like this. This type of behavior has a way of sticking with a person until they seek help and that may be what happened here.
His rough pre-Koulianos upbringing,
combined with the fact that he was Big Man On Campus, and probably in at least the top 3 of most popular kids in the state for 4 years, contributed to this. I was a tad harsh in last night’s thread, and I’m still way disappointed/kind of shocked, but after sleeping on it I can easily imagine going down his path or worse if I was in his shoes: expected to be the life of the party—and bring that personality of his—everywhere he goes.
The positive, if there is one, is that his popularity is (or will be) essentially nonexistant soon, so he can focus on getting better for him and his family, and not everyone else.
Lucky for me, popularity isn’t a problem. Even people in my department barely know I exist.
"You think you can take me? Go ahead on. It's your move." -- Thomas Jefferson Geronimo III
by IPeeBlackAndGold on Dec 8, 2010 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
The greatest disappointment
in a year of disappointment. Now we wait to see what other shoes drop. For some things you see and hear in life, there are no adequate words.
In the context of competitive sports, "quit" is the most profane of all four-letter words.
Why is it that
when we have a bad season, it is always so spectaculary bad with shit off-the-field matching our lack of performance on it? We never get the SEC/da U variety dominant on-field performances with bad shit off the field, or the angelic off-field with disappointing results. Instead, we always get the double-decker turd sandwich of bad on-field results and shitty off-the-field antics.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
In related news
a confused KOK immediately suspended Marcus Coker for the bowl game.
by HeartOfHawkness on Dec 8, 2010 1:25 AM CST reply actions 11 recs
How this hasn't gotten rec'd yet is beyond me
But…bravo.
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by Twin Cities Hawk on Dec 8, 2010 7:54 AM CST up reply actions
Why are more people...
more angry that he admitted it, than are angry that he did it?
Horrible.
I have never tried illegal drugs (I’m now 29 years of age), and I don’t think I ever will.
LOCK UP DJK!
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
I think
that’s harsh. If you don’t already, chances are you’ll know someone who develops a drug or alcohol problem. Being a bit older (and from a generation that embraced the use of recreational drugs), I can say that most people who get involved in drug usage find their way out and lead productive lives. If DJK limited his involvement to usage (and not selling), sending him to jail would be a tragic waste with no winners.
What's your deal?
by PCarroll_u_sm(j)irk on Dec 8, 2010 5:02 AM CST up reply actions
I'm with you Chazz
Always amazes me that people’s first instinct is deny, deny, deny, and only admit when it’s proven that they’re lying. What ever happened to – don’t do it in the first place? And if you do it, fucking own up. Ugh
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
the recreational use of numerous drugs that are currently illegal
causes no damage to others and, in most cases, is less harmful to the user than alcohol. Had the cops found a stash of Old Pulteney and Clynelish in his room, the BHGP members would be patting him on the back.
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by Kluginator on Dec 8, 2010 8:39 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This argument misses the point
in a big way and I am really getting tired of reading it. Alcohol is a dangerous drug and a case can be made that it is more dangerous than many drugs that are illegal. The point of this entire case though is that DJK knew the drugs he was taking and had in his house were illegal and he chose to do them anyway. If you want to argue about the legal merits of our system of having legalized drugs such as alcohol while less dangerous drugs are illegal do it somewhere else. It does not excuse the behavior in the eyes of the law and now DJK faces the consequences of the law as he should. Agree or disagree with the way that drug laws are written in this country they are there and if they are not followed then offenders will be punished. It was an absolutely stupid decision on his part and I am not going to give him a free pass because it was a “victimless crime” . He knew the law and he broke it all while he had a NFL contract waiting on him and thousands of children looking at him as a role model. Please do not take this post as an attack on you as I really enjoy the posts of many of the people making the point, I just think that you are arguing a point that is more fitting to be argued on a constitutional law board than here.
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Dec 8, 2010 8:46 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
This
Additionally, again, Kluginator, you’re arguing time and place, not the act itself. Alcohol consumption is a similarly “victimless” crime to consumption of other drugs, until they get behind the wheel, or do something similarly dumb while on alcohol. That said, it’s no different with other drugs. Maybe, if consumed in the comfort of one’s own home, it truly is victimless, but if you decide to do something that harms someone else, it’s no longer victimless. Regardless, the points made above me are spot on.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
Alcohol consumption is rarely a "victimless" crime
When it is abused. I will not bother going in to my personal opinion of drinking and driving on here again, but suffice it to say, “victimless” crimes are still crimes, and should be treated by everyone as such, in my opinion.
We're on a similar page
and that’s what I’m getting at. But yes, that’s a discussion for another day.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
Alcohol consumption isn't a crime.
While there are victims of alcoholism, the point here is that, like it or not, marijuana, cocaine, and non-prescribed drugs are illegal, and if you’re arrested with any of them, then it’s your damn fault. I still feel like DJK has done loads for this team and this state, and I love him for it, and still respect him, but the blame for this arrest lies with him, whether or not you oppose the illegality of marijuana.
So what if I tailgate to the NPR jazz station?
My apology, I was unaware that DJK was arrest for smoking pot and driving...
oh wait, he wasn’t. fault me for arguing time and place by throw a straw man into the mix. I understand that he was engaged in illegal activies and my argument is not with him being arrested and charged; it is with the sanctimoniousness of posters who act like DJK belongs on the most wanted list. The kid hurt nobody but himself for doing something that all but the most cloistered among us have at least tried. We should be more outraged that pot is still illegal than that a college student smokes weed.
"You’re talking about things that are real. That’s real. In those other dual meets, it wasn’t real, but now it’s real." ~ Tom Brands regarding the Iowa State dual.
yes
but we’re not Div I football players. Trust me, if everyone behaved on the football team the way I did and still do, our Hawkeye Nation would be royally fucked.
If you want to smoke weed, fucking spark up whenever you please. I could give a shit. Just don’t be an NCAA athlete. A lot of people are depending on you to stay out of trouble.
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twitter.com/dmbmeg
I never said
that he belongs on the most wanted list. I said he was extremely dumb/misguided/confused to have made the decisions that brought us to where we are today. I have been arguing all day that you cannot give him a free pass because its a law that many people don’t appreciate. The facts remain that he knew the law and chose to break it. He is honestly one of my all time favorite Hawkeyes… I think that he leaves it out on the field as much as anyone to every suit up for us and it sucks that his career is ending this way.
To reply to the rest of your post, I have never tried pot and never intend to. At the beginning of college I was on a college basketball team that did random testing three or four times per season and it would not have been worth it to me ( I was tested 3 times in two years.. i think the coach knew i was clean) . After I was done playing ball I just decided that I did not want to. Alcohol is my drug of choice and I enjoy a good drink or 10 but smoking weed never appealed to me. I don’t think that this makes me an incredibly sheltered or closed minded person as I was exposed to it often but chose not to try it. I think a large part of my deciding not to try it was fear of having to deal with the legal ramifications if i was caught. If what I have learned about the issue is true ( and I have no reason to believe it is not ) then marijuana and probably other drugs should be legal because they do not present a major threat to society. In general I am for less government involvement in my life so I would likely be one of the first to sign a petition to legalize some drugs even though I choose not to use them. The facts remain though and he made some terrible decisions and his arrest is no ones fault but his own. We can talk about how terrible it is that the law is not enforced equally or fairly but if he had not been using drugs or living with a dealer then he would be suiting up for us in a few weeks. 100% of the blame for these fairly minor misdemeanor charges falls on DJK’s shoulders but I hope that he is given a second shot and turns into a great success.
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Dec 8, 2010 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
this is spot on
We can talk about how terrible it is that the law is not enforced equally or fairly but if he had not been using drugs or living with a dealer then he would be suiting up for us in a few weeks. 100% of the blame for these fairly minor misdemeanor charges falls on DJK’s shoulders but I hope that he is given a second shot and turns into a great success.
I think far too often people don’t take accountability for their own actions. It’s always, “someone else made me this way!”
"Don't talk about me like I'm not here!" Shelby
twitter.com/dmbmeg
But by what limited information we had
DJK did take responsibility for his actions. What we have going on here is a discussion of whether it was right/proper to arrest him.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Right
I’m not talking about DJK’s response. I’m talking about commenter’s response to his arrest implying it was everyone BUT DJK’s fault.
That’s kind of an awkward comment. Hopefully you get where I was going there.
"Don't talk about me like I'm not here!" Shelby
twitter.com/dmbmeg
Spot on, Meg
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
agreed
that DJK took responsibility for his actions. With the laws on the books (not living in a fantasy land where they are different) he deserved to be arrested and face the fines/punishment that are required for his actions. The hypothetical conversation of whether these laws are necessary is one I am interested in reading about. I just would like for everyone to understand the few points I have tried to make above about his role in this situation.
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Dec 8, 2010 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
well ok
I don’t know anything about drug laws. All I know is cocaine shouldn’t be grouped in with marijuana in terms of “harmless”. Marijuana isn’t addictive. Cocaine is psychologically addictive.
However I’d take a legalization of coke any day over tobacco.
"Don't talk about me like I'm not here!" Shelby
twitter.com/dmbmeg
Now there (coke over nicotine) is an argument I've not heard/read before.
Do you have a proposition number yet (I’ll sign the petition)? The press loves to repeat “Prop #…” over and over.
Makes sense to me. You have to go outside to smoke, but you can do coke off the back of the toilet in almost any building in america.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Dec 8, 2010 5:46 PM CST up reply actions
SMKS (this is totally off topic)...
…did you go to a parochial school? I feel like you just described a couple of my friends that went to catholic school.
[No judgement in that. I just had the thought and was curious.]
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Dec 8, 2010 5:56 PM CST up reply actions
I did not
Public educated all the way through including my BA from Iowa in Political Science.. just think that people are overlooking DJK’s role in this because they want to make a point about the flawed legal system.
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Dec 8, 2010 6:13 PM CST up reply actions
No, it wasn't what you said about DJK that had me wondering.
Nevermind. Thought I was on to something (that was completely off topic).
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Dec 8, 2010 6:14 PM CST up reply actions
perhaps you are
I now work for one.. blow your mind?
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Dec 8, 2010 6:16 PM CST up reply actions
also,
if DJK is anything like me after getting high, he’s consuming about 3 pizzas. That can’t be good for his cardiovascular health.
"Don't talk about me like I'm not here!" Shelby
twitter.com/dmbmeg
Obviously
the coke was just used to fit off the munchies from the pot. He was being responsible!
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Actually there's a giant conspiracy and he was getting the G-13 stuff (no paranoia, no munchies) from the hospital.
They had some left over from the pot study that the school did a couple years back, and a master of the custodial arts (or a janitor if you wanna be a dick about it) named Thurgood was stealing it for him.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Dec 8, 2010 5:51 PM CST up reply actions
Abba Zabba is his only friend.
So just shut your face and take a seat, 'cause after all, you're just talking meat.
by Bucketochicken on Dec 8, 2010 5:55 PM CST up reply actions
Sadly Abba Zabba bars were discontinued.
Hence all of the pot stealing.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Dec 8, 2010 10:05 PM CST up reply actions
This!
‘cept for me, it’s Sea Salt & Vinegar chips. Mmmmm.
Perpetually living between the click of a light and the start of a dream.
Sea Salt and Vinegar chips
are the greatest thing ever. My wife disagrees and will not buy them.
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Dec 8, 2010 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
Isn't that true of so many things...
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Dec 8, 2010 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
Mine just happens to be anything that I see and looks good.
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by BStylin Hawkye on Dec 8, 2010 2:09 PM CST up reply actions
My point was
that you seemed to be arguing that while illicit drugs are by and large “victimless” crimes, alcohol somehow isn’t.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
People are just trying to wrap their heads around all of this.
I agree it was stupid of DJK to put himself in this position and have written such already, but it isn’t like he got busted while breaking into someone’s house or while beating up a girl/student.
When you look at it, it just seems like such a terrible situation to happen NOW. I mean shit. He was a few months away from being our-guy-made-good and then this bombshell drops and there’s not even an obvious reason why. That he was doing something wrong is obvious, and doesn’t really seem like the thing to discuss, so naturally the questions come up. And there are a lot of questions.
So yeah, people are still trying to figure out how to come at this thing.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Dec 8, 2010 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
It's not anger that he admitted it
it’s being baffled by the sheer stupidity of admiting it. Don’t be afraid to invoke those 5th amendment rights, folks. The police are not there to help you, they are there to bust your ass. Get a lawyer, get some advice.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
by Flakbait on Dec 8, 2010 8:23 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Solicitor?
Perhaps my best years are gone... but I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
Hire Bob Loblaw
Look up Bob Loblaw’s law blog. Si habla espanol!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwWAsNZTnug
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on Dec 8, 2010 10:22 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Better call Saul...
http://www.bettercallsaul.com/
Carpe Diem! - Seize the Carp!
by pollo diablo on Dec 8, 2010 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
Not all cops are out to get you.
That is not the truth to the world. I have arrested many people in this world that I didn’t want to. To say that the cops are never there to help you is a very jaded look at the world. I help people all of the time. I agree that you have the right to envoke those 5th amendment rights, but not all situations call for that and as far as I know not a single person posting here knows exactly how all of this went down. The world is a weird assed place and people find themselves in some serious shit just when they are least expecting it. I am sure DJK was in that place yesterday, he was honest with the police, and in the long run it will help him in the court more than it will hurt him.
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by NileKinnickIronman on Dec 8, 2010 9:25 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I GOT THEM FROM BELLANCA!!!!
Perhaps my best years are gone... but I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
by jebushchrist on Dec 8, 2010 9:29 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
When you arressted somebody for something at least moderately serious
and they confessed to everything, did you let them go? I doubt it. You put it in your report. that went to the DA. So how did that help them? If they have something to say, they should say it to their lawyer.
I’m not trying to say that all cops are Nazis. They’re not. I’ve known a few and they were really good guys. But you and I both know that when you trot out the old “I’m only trying to help you” line it’s usually about you trying to get information, not help them.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
sounds like someone got a lot of PAULA's in college.
"Don't talk about me like I'm not here!" Shelby
Never
Without going into the details, I’ve lead a charmed life when it came to not getting busted.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
I'm sure the statute of limitations is up
spill
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
I'll give you a little one.
We’re upstairs at Gabe’s. Two cops are checking ID’s. The first guy at the table is OK, the second guy is OK, the third guy hands them a fake ID. This ticks the cop off who hands it back and says “who are you really”. Long story short, Tony really pisses the cop off by insisting that the fake is his real ID and gets himself arrested. I don’t know if they were distracted or just forgot, but they never bothered to check my ID (I would have been the 4th guy). Afterwards, Tony said he knew he was f’ng up, he just couldn’t stop himself. Had he not done that, or had I been in his seat, I would have gotten a PAULA.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
@NileKinnickIronMan
Thanks for being a public-servant. You guys/gals are way under-thanked and over-villified.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Dec 8, 2010 11:43 PM CST up reply actions
My cousin holds the Keokuk County record for PAULA's
He managed 13 of them. Good bloodlines.
No self-respecting man from Iowa goes anywhere without beer
by Hayden Fry's Moustache Ride on Dec 8, 2010 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
/Thoreau'd
"They're not people, James Ingram. They're Jimmy Buffett fans."
by SomeJerkPoster on Dec 8, 2010 10:31 AM CST up reply actions
Nice. Went out drinking because you were bummed about the first one?
I got one 3 days before my 21st birthday
No self-respecting man from Iowa goes anywhere without beer
by Hayden Fry's Moustache Ride on Dec 8, 2010 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
more like
“THE LAW CAN’T GET ME DOWN!”
I think I know how DJK feels now. We were both prosecuted unjustly by THE MAN.
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twitter.com/dmbmeg
Both of you are minority groups!
Sounds like the ICPD need some sensitivity training.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Dec 8, 2010 5:59 PM CST up reply actions
Well
It’s the fact that the “I’m only trying to help you”" is only the first part of the sentence that ends (with this part omitted) “…help me get the complete info so I can fill out a report and get his off my plate.” hey, if the other guy is willing to do your work for you, I say let him.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Fuck
(turning off my self-imposed ban, for this one post)
It’s probably not the best legal strategy for DJK to admit everything to the police. But, I also admire his honesty, and willingness to own up to his mistakes. DJK has a special spot in my heart. That part of my heart aches today. He is a kid who had to achieve, against large odds.
What I like most about being a fan of football, in particular Iowa football, is getting to know the players and watching these guys “achieve”. In fact, I like watching fucking anybody achieve. I even like to watch players from (dare I say it?) NW, Wisky, OSU, or (dear God!) Boise State, achieve. That is what it’s all about. That is why I cheer for these players. It is achievement that will make the rest of these kids’ lives full of joy and satisfaction.
I only hope and pray that today was a significant, but only temporary, set-back in DJK’s achievement. I like to see that he admitted it. I think that shows some genuine integrity. Something that is sorely lacking in the world today. Now, I can only hope he works hard on putting these mistakes in the past, and achieves everything in life that he desires.
by iowabeakster on Dec 8, 2010 1:47 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
His admittance picked him up the most serious charge of Keeping a Drug House
But if you want to go the integrity route that’s cool as well.
Yes, you're right
integrity is totally overrated
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
You don't have to invoke
your right to integrity right away. He could have waited until the hearing after the plea bargain where he had to admit everything. It would have saved him a lot of trouble.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
But if you want to go the integrity route that’s cool as well.
You’re talking about integrity.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
At BHGP there is no integrity card
Perhaps my best years are gone... but I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
There is in life
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
But once you play it you lose it.
Perhaps my best years are gone... but I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
I was merely repeating what the OP said
He’s talking about integrity and I’m talking about invoking a right. You can praise DJK for his "integrity" by incriminating himself to police officers or you can consider him foolish because he failed to invoke a constitutional right. I’m doing the latter.
I think the integrity is lost when someone names friends that gave him the drugs.
That puts you in snitchville.
Perhaps my best years are gone... but I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
by jebushchrist on Dec 8, 2010 9:05 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
So he should say he's the one selling?
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
I don’t think it’s “snitching” to not own up to something you didn’t do.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
I'm referring to the scrips he admitted to taking
which were not prescribed to him. Police asked where he got them and he named friends which gave them to him. That’s extremely uncool.
Perhaps my best years are gone... but I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
He doesn't appear to have said
who gave them to him. So that’s not really snitching.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Can you sight where he named names?
I read an article that had a quote attributed to him as saying he “got them from friends” but didn’t name names.
The article isn't going to name people
Just because it wasn’t in the complaint doesn’t mean he didn’t. “I got it from friends” is not where that line of questioning ends. This is the beginning, not the end.
Perhaps my best years are gone... but I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
Snitches....
…..make the drug world work. That is the game, and the chance you take when you decide to get in the game.
I learned a great many things in the Marines that helped me as a football coach. The Marines train men hard and to do things the right way, just as a football team must train. - Hayden Fry
by NileKinnickIronman on Dec 8, 2010 9:27 AM CST up reply actions
Agreed
but the article implied, at least how I read it, that he didn’t name names. Once the arrest record(s) become public, we’ll know more. Or when subsequent arrests are made.
89 days until the warrant becomes public.
That’ll be a fun place to start. Sounds like Johnson (the roommate) was a small fish. Now I really want to know where this leads.
So what if I tailgate to the NPR jazz station?
I love how they'll rely on the memory of a guy who has pot and coke in his system.
I’d be like, “I don’t remember which friends gave them to me. I WAS HIGH! Blblblblblblphfffffffffttttttt.” And then I’d ask my lawyer for some Skittles. Just because.
[Who am I kidding? I’d be a blubbering mess. They’d have to wait days to take my statement.]
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Dec 8, 2010 6:06 PM CST up reply actions
In the police reports
It just says “friends.” It doesn’t name and names. However, just because it wasn’t in the complaint doesn’t mean he didn’t. I’m sure they want to investigate.
Snitches get stitches
and end up in ditches. Bitches.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
and sleep with the fitches!
dammit, I tried.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
Especially in Baltimore.
"They're not people, James Ingram. They're Jimmy Buffett fans."
by SomeJerkPoster on Dec 8, 2010 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
That's more Row Houses than ditches.
/Marlo’d
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Dec 9, 2010 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
Lesson learned here, boys and girls:
While it makes procuring for yourself more convenient, don’t live with a guy who sells.
"They're not people, James Ingram. They're Jimmy Buffett fans."
From talking to people that are friends with DJK
They are irate about the reaction to it. Mainly because people would worship him on the field but now are the first to throw him under the bus, many of whom are not so innocent in drug-taking themselves.
Did DJK fuck up? Yes, he fucked up big time. Does he deserve his punishment? Yes he does. But I am not entirely sure he deserves Hawkeye nation pretty much abandoning him when showing him support would probably be beneficial. I am not condoning what he did, but people make mistakes and him being under the microscope doesnt help.
DJK ruined his life, but I dont think having everyone in Iowa City burn all ties to him within 12 hours of his arrest helps him out at all
by HawkeyeBoiler on Dec 8, 2010 1:56 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
I don't think that's what people are saying as all
From what I’ve read tonight it seems like people are extremely saddened by all of this, and they all sincerely hope he can clean up the mess he has made of his life.
I’m not going to support someone who hangs out with drug dealers. If DJK’s friends have a problem with that, they can get the hell over it. DJK made his bed. Now he gets to lie in it. That’s life. Grow up. Don’t come in here with all this melodramatic bullshit about being thrown under the bus. His life is NOT over. He just needs to take responsibility for his actions and get his shit together. If he can do that the people of Iowa City will be just as quick to praise him as they are to criticize now.
by HawkeyeInExile on Dec 8, 2010 2:17 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This.
"Welcome to the PSU Salvation Army. I've never been associated with a defense so nice about giving touchdowns away." - Coach Fry, modified
by ReadingRambler on Dec 8, 2010 7:41 AM CST up reply actions
People are just bummed.
And that’s how they are dealing with it. I could care less if DJK wants to do drugs for the rest of his life. It’s his decision. Would I prefer that he not, of course, but I don’t have any influence. The thing that upsets me is that it taints (lol) the legacy. I won’t think of the kick return at the Horseshoe, I’ll think of “keeping a drug house”.
"You're going to go out there with a dick full of confidence. Then, you're going to go out there and shoot that confidence all over the stadium." -Blue Mountain State
I guess his friends should have pointed out it's not good to take whatever drugs someone puts in your hand
Or are these the “friends” who gave him the drugs? Listen, Hawkeye Nation supported this guy for 4 years, oftentimes at the expense of Captain Kirk, and they were rewarded by a shit sandwich. He embarrassed himself, his family, the team, the University, and everyone who wears an Iowa hat. He got hugs for 4 years; now he gets the hand.
Perhaps my best years are gone... but I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
Yeah, and the more I think about it the more pissed I get.
Perhaps my best years are gone... but I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
Here is the problem:
Many of us as fans mistake great play for great morality. It is not the same, and won’t ever be the same.
I have enjoyed watching DJK on the field, and the apparent joy that he has in playing the game. However, I make no mistake that I cannot be a judge of his character – even after his arrest.
Whoops!
Honestly… I’m WAY more ashamed of the hand full of Hawkeye fans on the DJK fb fanpage attributing this trouble with the law to DJK’s race than DJK being thrown in the slammer for drugs. I totally sympathize with boiler; Derrell totally fucked up but it’s DJK… He’s been our fellow hawk for about half a decade and helped lead this team to many victories while avoiding the seemingly endless slew of public intoxes and PAULAS. Doesn’t that merit some sympathy? While i don’t condone coke use i do hope he gets off somewhat easy, he’s being more cooperative than virtually anyone else in that situation would be and i’m not going to throw my years of DJK support away simply because of this…
I don't condone coke either...
Dr Pepper is where it’s at.
"You're going to go out there with a dick full of confidence. Then, you're going to go out there and shoot that confidence all over the stadium." -Blue Mountain State
Please
RC mofo
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
RC is the shit as well
"You're going to go out there with a dick full of confidence. Then, you're going to go out there and shoot that confidence all over the stadium." -Blue Mountain State
If you like syrup with bubbles
Get Pepsi or get left.
Perhaps my best years are gone... but I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
Clear Pepsi
sucked dong. By association, Pepsi sucks dong.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
I'm not sure when that became a bad thing?
Perhaps my best years are gone... but I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
Depends which side you're on...
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
Yes you were
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
Thought so
Whatever, y’all just missed out on some incredibly tasty, and translucent, carbonated refreshment. Besides, I could be guaranteed of the soda machines at CRWash always having Clear Pepsi even when everything else was sold out.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I like Crystal Pepsi!
My mom used to pack it in my lunch. It still makes me think of Van Hagar.
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twitter.com/dmbmeg
Crystal Gravy was good too
all the rich deliciousnes of gravy PLUS the ability to see your food!
http://videosift.com/video/Crystal-Gravy-Now-you-can-finally-see-your-food
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I liked (and miss) Crystal Pepsi
I went so far as to sign the online petition to bring it back.
"You think you can take me? Go ahead on. It's your move." -- Thomas Jefferson Geronimo III
by IPeeBlackAndGold on Dec 8, 2010 2:31 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't miss out
I actually tried it, which is how I know it sucked. I always had to chuckle when everyone told me how awesome it was, as that was probably the first time I really realized how much effect advertising can have on your perception of something. Having said all that, anyone bashing RC is just ignorant. And stupid. Ignorant and stupid. And dumb.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
Or just has working taste buds
If I want RC, I can just add a pound of sugar to a regular Pepsi and stir. result is the same.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I see this place is populated by pop snobs
That’s fine! I’ll drink RC by myself then! More for me!
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
TAB & Mellow Yellow!
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Dec 8, 2010 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
Clear Tab
They could barely give that stuff away
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
by chitownhawkeye on Dec 8, 2010 8:08 PM CST up reply actions
RC Edge (the black cola with ginseng)
had a promotion at my high school, and the literally couldn’t give it away. I took one sip, and never had a more disgusting drink.
The Surge promotion, on the other hand, was great. I stocked up. Loved that stuff.
"You think you can take me? Go ahead on. It's your move." -- Thomas Jefferson Geronimo III
by IPeeBlackAndGold on Dec 8, 2010 8:38 PM CST up reply actions
Surge was AWESOME
Whatever happened to it?
Going, going, going, going, going, going, going, going.... Alright, I'll stop for now.
by EnergizerHawk on Dec 12, 2010 9:07 PM CST up reply actions
Worse beverage: Royal Crown or Crown Royal?
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Dec 8, 2010 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
Worse RC: the soft drink or former A&M head coach?
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Dec 8, 2010 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
Damn you people!
I see you’re beyond help.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
Admittedly, I don't like most soft drinks
but RC is about as foul as it gets. I think the only worse cola out there is the Jewel brand, President’s Choice (c’mon, Chicagoland Hawks, don’t let me down).
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Dec 8, 2010 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
president's choice
My 5th birthday party at discovery zone would like a word with you.
by Cornfield___no, seriously on Dec 8, 2010 2:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Honestly I rarely drink pop
and when I do, it’s usually Diet Dew at this point. But if given the choice between RC, Coke, & Pepsi, it would go RC-Coke-Pepsi. It’s an added bonus that RC is dirt cheap.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
I enjoyed this conversation
simply because it’s been so long since I’ve heard the word “pop” used. Everything in the dirty south down here is a “coke”, even if it’s a pepsi. If you get really confused, then they try “soda” to see if that makes more sense.
Thank you for giving me a good reminder of home.
The answer is Pizza Hut.
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by ReadingRambler on Dec 8, 2010 3:23 PM CST up reply actions
No, the answer is 42.
At least… the answer to life, the universe and everything.
Going, going, going, going, going, going, going, going.... Alright, I'll stop for now.
by EnergizerHawk on Dec 12, 2010 9:09 PM CST up reply actions
Fixed.
RC is the shit as well.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Dec 8, 2010 9:02 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Hey!!! Stop it!
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
That whoops was for an accidental post that..
disappeared for some reason.
Ferentz and the team
This doesn’t explain everything about DJK’s relationship with Ferentz but it does say a lot. Having been somewhat immersed in drug culture (note the past tense) myself, I can say that a “functional” user’s behavior is affected periodically. They may show up for work or, in this case practice, and perform all needed tasks. Sometimes even performing very well. But periodically their behavior will be in some manner disruptive to those around them.
Also, as stated in other terms, birds of a feather flock together. I hope he was a loner in this regard.
I too hope, that the University handles this with class and offers him all the help he needs to reboot his life. It would be easy to cast him aside and ostracize his memory. The right thing to do is to help this young man who has provided us with so much effort and grit over the years.
In a manner of speaking, he is family and we need to be there for him.
How would you like your steak done, Mr Sweater Vest?
by FiveSecondRuleChef on Dec 8, 2010 5:24 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I'm no lawyer but it if the following is true
These are all misdemeanors.
I could see him being allowed to plead guilty to the most serious and the rest being dropped. He’s already owned up to it, and if he seeks help, I could see probation.
Unfortunately for all those involved I don’t see the program having any choice but to suspend him for the last game so all involved are screwed. But I can’t see them pulling his scholarship. I know he’s a senior, but will he graduate this Spring?
Worse case however would be if the DA wanted some names in exchange for the plea. Hopefully there isn’t anything there, but like Adam said, he doesn’t seem to do things in a vacuum.
I'd say that's about right.
The fact that the charges are all misdemeanors means DJK is being viewed as a user and not a distributor. That helps a lot in terms of the legal fallout. It sounds like his roommate is the kingpin here. Since he’s not a distributor it’s doubtful they’re going to press him for names in exchange for leniency, which is done all the time in drug plea negotiations involving those suspected of dealing in any way.
Given that he has no prior felony criminal history he’s almost certainly looking at some of the charges dropped in exchange for plea to one or more others, a fine, probation (the terms of which will include treatment), and some time hanging over his head should he reoffend, but likely little or no additional time behind bars. If he makes this his learning experience and gets his life back on track this is by no means a career ender. If it happens again, that’s another matter.
My main two hopes here are that (1) DJK gets his act together, and (2) this doesn’t spread to anyone else on the team. I’m cautiously optimistic on both counts, but we’ll see. I give him a .0001% chance of playing two weeks from Tuesday, if that.
He won't play in the Insight
and if Ferentz lets him, he’s a complete idiot. These may be misdemeanors, but he has already admitted to all of them letting him play sends the absolute wrong message to the team, the public and potential recruits.
If he were coming back next year, then there would be a question of how much should the team punish him. That’s not the case. He has one game left. Boot him from the team and be done with it.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
This will sound unsympathetic to the situation, but I'm only replying to the football-side
in that there is no way in fucking hell ever that Kirk will let him accompany the team, much less let him play in the bowl game. Nor should he. The young man has far more important matters to deal with in the next 3 weeks.
If you were the DA
wouldn’t you press for other names? I would. I expect to hear names, I’m just blindly hoping a wide swath of the team doesn’t go down in flames.
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
by chitownhawkeye on Dec 8, 2010 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
Unless the DA is the most unambitious DA in Iowa legal history
you’re correct.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
The worst part for him
is that he probably won’t be in the NFL. Which means when he is done serving his time, he is going to have to make a life for himself away from football. It’s tough living in the world and struggling to get by day after day with a criminal record won’t bring the best opportunities his way. It could lead him back down this same road again.
Maybe an undrafted free agent?
Because let’s be honest, the NFL is pretty forgiving of its players. Granted, there’s a difference between being a pro bowler and being a senior in high school, but I think someone will give him a chance. Plus, it looks like he may very well have over a year to get his life on track before there’s another NFL season.
He'll play in the NFL
maybe not in 2011, but on 2012 he will be on a roster.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Depending on how the charges shake out
he will be could be a late round pick 6th to 7th to a UFA. These are a lot of charges, its not like he failed one UA. I think he went from a likely 3rd rounder to possibly out of a draft. He likely won’t get a combine invite now and will have to do everything off of Iowa’s pro day.
Depending
on if he is merely suspended or booted from the team, he may not be allowed to participate at Iowa’s pro day. I doubt it goes that far, but it is a possibility. If not, I’m sure another school would let him do it there, but again, I doubt it makes it that far.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
Even if he can't
He has to talent to attract a decent agent who will see to it that he gets an audtion with a few teams. Once he’s on the roster, it’s all up to him. His big loss here is all the up front money and his first contract which will now be league minimum, or close to it.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Absolutely
and like I said, I don’t think it makes it that far, since the “drug house” seemed to be run by his roommate, not him. I’m sure he won’t play in the bowl, but will still be a member of the team, which means I’m guessing they let him do everything at the university if he so chooses.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
The drug house charge against him...
…will be dropped.
I learned a great many things in the Marines that helped me as a football coach. The Marines train men hard and to do things the right way, just as a football team must train. - Hayden Fry
by NileKinnickIronman on Dec 8, 2010 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
Where does he go to get his reputation back?
Since it was already promoted in the press?
We play tackle football, most of the time.
by Bellanca on Dec 8, 2010 10:02 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That is one of the places that you are I are gonna be on common ground with this
There was enough evidence to charge him with it due to the evidence found in his room, but ultimately the prosecution will dump the charge just like the tax stamp charge goes away. Problem with it is that the press reports it because it happened, but will be slow to report when it is dealt away.
I learned a great many things in the Marines that helped me as a football coach. The Marines train men hard and to do things the right way, just as a football team must train. - Hayden Fry
by NileKinnickIronman on Dec 8, 2010 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
No different than the Duke lax case
the kids were booted from the team, hell the coach left and took over as coach at another university. But what happened when it was revealed that it was BS? What about the people who put signs, etc. in the coaches yard? Will they apologize? Hell no. It sucks, but unfortunately there’s not a good answer.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
Is the "drug house" charge what was considered the most serious accusation?
by HawkeyeRecon on Dec 8, 2010 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
For DJK yes
For the roomie, no.
I learned a great many things in the Marines that helped me as a football coach. The Marines train men hard and to do things the right way, just as a football team must train. - Hayden Fry
by NileKinnickIronman on Dec 8, 2010 10:09 AM CST up reply actions
to the casual observer
who knows little about drug law and prosecution i would say yes.. Drug house sounds bad, I think that is enough to severely hurt his rep to the “casual observer”
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Dec 8, 2010 10:09 AM CST up reply actions
After looking at the statute
the drug house doesn’t really seem to be that bad… also its written incredibly broadly… according to the statute, any one of us who has ever had a roommate that smoked pot or took illegal scrips could be cited for keeping a drug house
by Omahawk(eye) on Dec 8, 2010 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
That broadness..
…is exactly why it will go away. The roomie was targeted and DJK got scooped up in the whole mess. DJK is guilty of the “Drug House” more because he turned a blind eye to what the roomie was doing.
I learned a great many things in the Marines that helped me as a football coach. The Marines train men hard and to do things the right way, just as a football team must train. - Hayden Fry
by NileKinnickIronman on Dec 8, 2010 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
"Drug House"
is one of those catch-all laws meant to allow crimes to be tacked-on to show how serious we are in the War on Drugs. It’s broadly written and imprecise for the sole purpose of being big enough to fit almost any transgression related to the underlying offense (drugs) in.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Thanks.
In other news the kid committed a rolling stop sign violation. ‘it s the law and the law is the law,’ said numerous bhgp observers.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
by Bellanca on Dec 8, 2010 11:31 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Know what, you're right
remove the stop signs.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
In other news
numerous BHGP posters decided this was a stupid law which relieved “the kid” of any responsibility in the situation. It was decided that he was likely targeted by the authorities in a vast conspiracy to keep “kids like him” from rolling through stop signs while allowing all CEO’s to rape and pillage. Nothing to see here.
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Dec 8, 2010 11:39 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
sigh
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by ReadingRambler on Dec 8, 2010 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
who decides what is an arrestable (is that a word?) offense then?
the cops? No thank you. Am I missing something here? It’s not the cops job to determine who to arrest. If someone breaks a law (even if it’s a law I don’t necessarily agree with), they should be arrested. Isn’t determining guilt/innocence what a courtroom is for?
Am I just too much of an idealist?
"Don't talk about me like I'm not here!" Shelby
twitter.com/dmbmeg
Yes, you are
There is an incredibly amount of subjective selectivity built into the entire criminal justice system from which laws to virgorously enforce while letting others slide, to using the power/prestige of the office (police or DA) to get laws changed, to the mundane like a cop deciding to the let the high school girl off with a “warning” about speeding then turning around and writing a ticket for the first dude who he catches doing the exact same thing. Not saying that any of this is necessarily applicable here, other than the fact that ANY and every police action is a judgment determination to enforce the relevant law.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I suppose.
But I’ve never been let off of any ticket. Fucking assholes.
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twitter.com/dmbmeg
Obviously what's important here
is that you don’t take that as an indictment of your outward beauty (becase we all know you’re pretty on the inside!). Because that’s not what’s implied here at all. Nope, not all.
/stops trying to make a joke that relies heavily on inflection and sarcasm via a toneless medium
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Should have showed more clevage
"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me
by BStylin Hawkye on Dec 8, 2010 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
I show lots of cleavage and it never gets me out of a ticket
"You’re talking about things that are real. That’s real. In those other dual meets, it wasn’t real, but now it’s real." ~ Tom Brands regarding the Iowa State dual.
The "Drug House" laws (there are many in different states that are slightly different from each other) started as a way to bust ravers in New Orleans.
It’s a lazy law. If they wanted to bust a raver for drugs they’d have to find some probable cause on each individual person (and it’s embarrassing if you’re wrong), so instead they started busting the party throwers (using the old “Federal Crackhouse Law” but employing a new interpretation) because the promoters HAD to have known that there would be drugs at their rave.
By throwing the party they were providing a “safe (ware)house” for people to come and do drugs at. Therefore the promoter is responsible for others’ behaviors. Soon each state was drafting its own version of the federal law, and that’s where we sit today.
It’s Minority Report type shit (no one is responsible for anyone else’s actions in that sense).
It doesn’t exactly apply in the DJK case, but it was a lazy law back then, and it’s a stupid law to still have on the books.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Dec 8, 2010 10:39 PM CST up reply actions
DJK calling Ferentz "coach killjoy" just took on a colder and more sinister edge
Brunettes not fighter jets
A few initial thoughts
1. I’m not a legal strategist, but I’m not sure I understand the logic of fessing up prior to having a plea deal. I admire his honesty, and it really makes me feel like he has some remorse in what he did…knew it was wrong, got caught and just owned up to it. Very admirable considering the situation. While some people have an integrity issue with throwing his friends/supplier under the bus (ie – not being a “snitch”), for DJK personally, this could be his get-out-of-jail free card potentially… hand the case to prosecutors for your roomie and your supplier, and get off with some probation, community service, etc (not sure if that’s realistic legally or not considering the charges).
2. The way the Gazette article reads, it appears this was an ongoing investigation. Not sure if there’s anything to the timing on when they decided make the raid. Curious what other people’s theories are on this…
3. Related to #2, I’m curious how much Kirk knew or turned an eye to. I really hope he knew nothing about this as I have a high level of respect for his personal integrity. Given this was an ongoing thing, this just makes me nervous.
4. Like Jacoby and others have posted, I’m really concerned about how systemic this could be. I want to believe that this is an isolated case.
5. The silver lining to pissing away the last half of the season is this didn’t make the tWWL (at least on tv).
Everyone knows God is a Hawkeye
To point one
Again, not being a lawyer. But I would assume that any lawyer worth their salt would argue that a) The alleged confession was coerced and their client didn’t understand what was going on and therefore should be thrown out. OR b) That DJK was covering for his friend and that if he said it was his, being who he is, it would all go away and everything would be fine. Bottom line not his drugs.
I get that from reading the Harvard Journal of Law & public policy. Been a subscriber forever and have always been bummed I didn’t take the leap and go to law school. :)
Not going to law school was probably one of the smarter decisions you ever made.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
yes, but his comment is funny if you say it out loud in a Connery accent.
"Don't talk about me like I'm not here!" Shelby
twitter.com/dmbmeg
Well, yeah.
But everything’s funnier in a Connery accent.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
And I don't mean to suggest that you wouldn't have been a good lawyer or not -- you might have been a great one for all I know.
I was just trying to suggest that law school is misery in institutional form and avoiding it is a grand idea.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
is everyone on this blog a fucking lawyer?
"Don't talk about me like I'm not here!" Shelby
twitter.com/dmbmeg
No
Thank God.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Fortunately, no.
(But a ton are.)
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I don't have a job!
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by ReadingRambler on Dec 8, 2010 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
Get off my lawn, vagrant.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I'm occupationally challenged too!
"Don't talk about me like I'm not here!" Shelby
twitter.com/dmbmeg
Self Employed here
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by BStylin Hawkye on Dec 8, 2010 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
like, 3 of us are biomedical engineers
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by IPeeBlackAndGold on Dec 8, 2010 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
I'm still considering it
Before I moved to get my real job I rented a house from two attorneys who I used to have long discussion with about decisions handed down by the SCOTUS. The day I was leaving they stopped by to say good-bye and gave me their first year law books. I don’t know that I would have been any good because I hate the idea that common sense and the law have very little to do with each other. But I do love me some constitutional law, though there are only 9 jobs I’d like to have and they are currently occupied..
You would have been ok if
Jeter hadn’t re-signed.
by Angle's Dangle on Dec 8, 2010 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, see that's why I tend to discourage law school anymore.
At a high level, the law is great — interesting, provocative, important, all that good stuff. Unfortunately, the number of people who get to engage the law at that level is fairly miniscule, relatively speaking (unless you include law profressors and then the numbers improve a bit). Being a SCJ would be pretty damn awesome, I’m sure. Unfortunately, most law has very little in common with that.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Why are we discussing my self-pleasurement practices?
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Not as popular as bear-baiting
but more popular than bear-bating.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Dec 8, 2010 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
Well
I’m sure the numbers are down since David Carradine’s “mishap”. But it’ll pick back up. Plus, tears make the best lubricant.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
/NAMBLA’d
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Dec 8, 2010 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
That's one case
where I’d be totally in favor of the police infringing on privacy if it resulted in a conviction.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Dec 8, 2010 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know
I loved the Army and if that isn’t institutionalized misery I don’t what is. It’s the cost that wards me off. Plus the fact that the local uni doesn’t offer first year classes at night make it near impossible.
+100
in my 2nd year, I’ve made a terrible mistake
by Omahawk(eye) on Dec 8, 2010 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
It's not too late to quit
Seriously. In my case it wasn’t law school, but I didnt’ realize my mistake until I was in the last semester. Still paying that loan off for a degree I’ve never used.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
I was hoping someone would see the arrested development reference
and at this point, it is too late to quit… and I equate it to playing a sport… meaning
I always loved playing football in high school (actually being a lawyer)
but I hated getting my ass kicked in practice (law school)
by Omahawk(eye) on Dec 8, 2010 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
I could care less if DJK likes to smoke weed and watch Animaniacs.
Anyone who staggers around drunk on the weekends but thinks marijuana use is worse is deluding themselves.
The coke use is troubling but seeing him compared to Big Ben the rapist and describing him as a criminal seems too strong. I’ve never lived with someone who deals coke but I’ve lived with people who were users. They were good people who eventually realized their habits weren’t doing them any favors.
I’m really disappointed in DJK because he’s one of my favorite players and now due to his silly actions he may have thrown away a promising future in the NFL. However, I don’t think he deserves to be treated like a violent criminal or someone that has been charged with anything other than victimless crimes. I hope this isn’t how his “story,” which up until this point had been truly inspirational, ends. He’s done a lot for this program and some of his catches over the past few years have been some of my favorite Hawkeye memories.
I'm not so sure that he won't have a shot at the NFL
Lot’s of teams have taken troubled youth. I don’t see any real chance at being drafted now, but a shot at being a rookie free-agent on a short lease for some team with serious needs, sure.
Excuse me, but what did he do wrong again?
Small amounts of weed, coke and cash. In his home. This threatens the public interest - how?
We play tackle football, most of the time.
by Bellanca on Dec 8, 2010 7:43 AM CST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
This is isn't Nam, Smokey,
there are rules. And if they were indeed “keeping a drug house”, then they were selling drugs, and this is where the public interest is threatened.
"You're going to go out there with a dick full of confidence. Then, you're going to go out there and shoot that confidence all over the stadium." -Blue Mountain State
Oh.
I guess i missed the rap on ‘selling drugs.’
Did they forget to charge him with that? I m sure they were busy and all.
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by Bellanca on Dec 8, 2010 8:23 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Keeping a drug house
is one step shy of intent to distribute.
"You're going to go out there with a dick full of confidence. Then, you're going to go out there and shoot that confidence all over the stadium." -Blue Mountain State
Oh, does that mean that the ICPD read his mind and decided he was "one step shy"?
That’s not what happened here. There were drugs and cash in a house. That apparently satisfied a test for “drug house”. So they added another picayune misdemeanor to the sheet.
Guess what. Your average CEO, Congressman, college professor, keeps a drug house, by these rules.
The ICPD needs to come clean and reveal why they broke into this house and started arresting people. Because I guarantee you that there are MDs and CEOs in Iowa City and River Heights who will not pass this test.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
and because the law reads how it does
They should be arrested too.. I’m sorry I just don’t understand the “its victimless and everyone does it so he shouldnt be punished argument” The law is the law and he broke it.. like the law or not it was terrible decision making by DJK that brought us to where we are this morning.
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Dec 8, 2010 8:50 AM CST up reply actions
You're a fool if you think that laws should be selectively applied.
Then you’ll get older and realize that if a law is not universally applied, it is just a tool of punishment, discrimination, and ostracism.
It’s fine with me if you think you — you — have a vested interest in what your neighbor is putting into his body at 10 p.m., or what he is doing with his wife at 11 p.m. — but be careful. Because once you assert that you may find yourself with a neighbor of your own who would like to police your kitchen, den, and bedroom.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
I'm pretty sure
he’s not arguing that it should be selectively applied.
They should be arrested too.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
I think you're digging yourself quite a hole here, B
But from the sounds of it, you’re in your own yard and so fueled by coke, weed, and scrips that you don’t care how deep it is.
Perhaps my best years are gone... but I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
by jebushchrist on Dec 8, 2010 8:57 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm just curious: what did DJK do wrong?
He had small amounts of cash, weed and coke in his room. Explain to me what a) that is unusual in American society; b) how that hurt anybody; c) why the full force of the ICPD should be searching for it; d) why I should disown my own son if I find the same in his room.
In conclusion, if I’m digging a hole, what is the starting point? That Iowa football players need to behave better than Iowa tenured faculty? Fuck me.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
Buddy, there isn't a functioning US Citizen that gets through a day without breaking some law.
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by Bellanca on Dec 8, 2010 9:06 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
but when people are caught breaking the law they are punished for it. I break the law by speeding and when I get pulled over and get a ticket I have to pay the fine. He was caught with weed and coke and I don’t see any reason that he should not get in trouble for breaking the law. Just like any other person that is caught doing the same thing.
I think Bellanca is honing in on the fact that DJK
was in his own home. That the police entered his home. Speeding is not a useful comparison. You are amongst others when speeding and can cause harm negligently to others.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
And I think I'm honing in on the fact that discussing speeding or the TSA
has nothing to do with DJK or his charges. It’s called “changing the story” and quite common.
Perhaps my best years are gone... but I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
The fact still is
that he broke the law and got caught. If this was some random student at the University of Iowa would this cause such an uproar that they were caught with drugs and now have to face the law? I am not happy about it as many others are not, but he did break the law and now he will have to face the consequences that come with it.
No, it wouldn't
but it probably should. While I’m not willing to go so far as Bellanca, I admire his commitment to philosophical principle in this matter (and the larger privacy issue). You’re right that (1) DJK broke the law and (2) will be punished, deservedly so. But this leads to a whole other conversation on the Drug War, proper way of handling it and a host of other political topics that are (welcomingly so) verboten here.
Suffice it to say, I think the only complete b.s. charge here is the “drug house” thing. That is nothing but a needlessly additional charge from a broadly written law designed to do nothing other than provide a means of punishing someone twice for the same offense.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I will try one more time
The law is the law no matter how much you dislike it or how many people break it. DJK knew the law and broke it. It sounds like his roomate may have been distributing these illegal drugs which would give the ICPD decent reason to search the house as they are responsible for drug law enforcement.
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Dec 8, 2010 9:05 AM CST up reply actions
What did DJK do wrong?
He had small amounts of weed and coke in his room
This is what we call “illegal”. Again, whether you agree with the law or not is moot. It is illegal, and therefore he deserves to be punished for it. I got busted for using a fake ID to get into a bar and drink when I was 20. I think the drinking age should be 18, as does my family. But I didn’t fight the charge, because – and this is important – I BROKE THE FUCKING LAW. Regardless of how stupid I think it is, I took my medicine.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
Miscegenation used to be illegal in this country.
Did the people charged with this crime get what they deserved?
Again
we’re getting into an argument of the merits of the legalization of drugs, which
A) Is getting pretty damn close to politics, in my mind, which is why I’m a little surprised it hasn’t gotten nipped in the bud yet
B) Is going in circles
C) Pointless in debating, because no one is going to change their mind.
Regardless of your idea of whether or not drugs should be legal, they aren’t. Therefore, possessing, consuming, and possibly selling them, are illegal, and will be punished as such.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
Brock...I don't think it is that cut and dried
drugs include more than pot and coke. If you give someone a prescription pill you’re breaking the law.
http://alcoholism.about.com/od/teenfaq/a/illegal_pills.htm
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at
but I realize that the prescription drugs are illegal also. In a much broader sense, the pharmaceutical companies are fucking drug dealers in their own way (again, a discussion for a different forum, so I won’t go any further). But either way, it just adds to the fact that it was illegal for him to do.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
A combined worth of $3k
Doesn’t seem that small to me. Though it obviously doesn’t meet the threshold of intent. I’m not sure anyone is saying disown, I think most are disappointed and are awaiting more information to come out. Though some do appear to be jumping the gun on both sides.
We're talking about DJK's actions, correct?
I think he did several things wrong, including, but no limited to:
living with a dealer, a scale, weed, coke, multiple prescription drugs, and stacks of cash
doing said drugs, in particular the scrips which were not written for him
talking to the police without legal representation
naming friends that gave him the drugs
Perhaps my best years are gone... but I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
jebus...we don't know that he was selling
do we?
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
I'm talking about the roomie
DJK isn’t charged with selling anything. I thought the question was about him.
he who?
Perhaps my best years are gone... but I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
DJK...was he arrested for selling?
And then, was he selling?
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
He hasn't been charged with selling (that I know of)
but who knows what charges will follow, and I never said he was selling.
Perhaps my best years are gone... but I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
his roommate is being charged with selling "massive amounts" of pot
that’s why they were there. Maybe he should have tried not living with a dealer. Or if you’re going to live with a dealer, at least keep your shit clean enough that you can deny any involvement.
Keep in mind his roomate's last name is Johnson,
which can makes things a bit confusing.
by HawkeyeRecon on Dec 8, 2010 10:09 AM CST up reply actions
I looked at the photocopies
at the end of the article and #10 is pretty damning for the roommate. And unfortunately for DJK guilt by association isn’t tried in a court.
Again
this is not the point I am trying to argue. I am not saying that I agree or disagree with the way that drug laws are written and enforced in this country. What I am saying is that DJK knew damn well that it was illegal and he chose do it anyway. It is his poor decision making not some vast conspiracy to discriminate against (whoever the laws are written to discriminate against in your opinion that landed him here) The simple fact is that they can write the law with as much “punishment, discrimination, and ostracism” as they want but if DJK makes good decisions we are not having this conversation. That is all i’m saying.. I don’t think we need to make this into an argument over the legal and moral code of the United States legal system. He is a person that had the world on a platter and he has no one ot blame but himself.
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Dec 8, 2010 8:58 AM CST up reply actions
I agree that DJK used very poor judgement.
Especially considering his possible NFL future and what he had to lose.
I still think this country’s drug laws are draconian and do much more harm to society than the drugs themselves (especially in the case of marijuana).
this is what I am trying to avoid
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Dec 8, 2010 9:09 AM CST up reply actions
WOW.
Somebody fit Bellanca for a tinfoil hat.
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They didn't break in
They served a warrant that was issued because of an ongoing investigation. If they had broken in this would all be moot because none of the evidence would be admissible.
Ha!
I’m sure you’re familiar with probably cause. Here’s how it works. One cop says, “did you hear that?” The other cop says, “yes”. They bust the door down. End of story.
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Sorry
That might work well in the movies but in real life it doesn’t hold water. There have been quite a few decisions from the SCOTUS that define conduct of probable cause, and ANY attorney, probably even a public defender would get it thrown out almost immediately.
Not if they find drugs, cash, and a scale.
Perhaps my best years are gone... but I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
No
Sorry, it still doesn’t fly. Go out to findlaw.com and post the question to their blogs. Bunch of lawyers there will spam you that they will represent you and easily get you off. It’s quite humerous sometimes but an easy way to get answers to questions.
Go to findunicorn.com (don't go there, for realz) and ask about unicorns
The internet is not reality. If you have drugs, cash, and a scale you’re on the hook.
Perhaps my best years are gone... but I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
unicorns v lawyers
I think there is a huge difference between people who believe in unicorns hang out and where lawyers hang out. Seriously.
Yes
People who believe in unicorns hang out here. Lawyers hang out on Lake the Post.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
But what if you're both?
And I’m not sure I believe in lawyers. Even though I am one.
Probable cause is incredibly easy for a cop to come by and, unless he does somethign incredibly stupid to fuck it up, incredibly difficult to prove that he did not have. There are protections, and they are enforced, but most cops know how to game the system in that they focus on the general intent or “spirit” of the requirement while maybe overlooking the procedural minutae.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I don't doubt it
my comment was a joke, really.
And I realize your response may not have been directed at me
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
Well
The police are going to slap as many charges as they can and allow the DA to see what sticks. This is a common practice and gives the DA built in bargaining chips. They can say, we’ll drop this serious charge (even if they know it would be hard to prove) in exchange for a plea, etc. What sticks out to me is that they are all misdemeanors.
Yeah, they be slapping misdemeanors all over the place. HELLO?
We play tackle football, most of the time.
WHERE ARE THE SUPER-SERIOUS CRIMES HERE?
Misdemeanor possession is no justification for the police surging a private residence.
Where is the crime?
We play tackle football, most of the time.
If they suspected someone in there was dealing
which it sounds like his roommate was, I would say that classifies, no?
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
They didn't surge
They executed a search warrant and probably figured they would find more than they did. This was because of ongoing investigation; probably related to the roommate.
Oh, the cops go in light now when they think they are busting a drug house?
We play tackle football, most of the time.
I am a narcotics officer and many times we do what is called a soft approach.
Do you do this for a living? 10 year of being a cop has taught me that most people don’t have a fuckin clue what the job is, but sure love to monday morning QB it to death. Kind of like being an Offensive Coordinator.
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by NileKinnickIronman on Dec 8, 2010 9:34 AM CST up reply actions 7 recs
Comes with the territory
I come from a family of cops and that’s the lay of the land.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
He's not denying it
doesn’t make it any less ignorant
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
Thank you.
I’m not discussing what I do for a living here.
However, where I live, and in respect of the agencies I support, there are no ‘soft approaches’ on suspected drug houses, because we assume that there are M-4s if not SAWs inside.
If ICPD quietly knocks on the door of a suspected “drug house” with two officers and their lonely forties, I take it all back. I really do.
But that’s not how it’s done in the town in northwest Iowa, where I have a second home, and where I go to unwind. There, in a town 10% the size of IC, the PD goes in very, very hard.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
Boji?
is that where you have a second home?
by Omahawk(eye) on Dec 8, 2010 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
Its really not
I grew up there… not fancy at all
by Omahawk(eye) on Dec 8, 2010 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
fair enough
personally (probably because I grew up there) I can’t stand the area
by Omahawk(eye) on Dec 8, 2010 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
...and fanatical devotion to the Pope.
/Comfy Chair’d
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by IPeeBlackAndGold on Dec 8, 2010 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
How is it not equial application?
The 14th isn’t my special interest, but I’ve got to hear this. I would suspect that DJK got caught up in their investigation against the roommate, but that is pure speculation on my part.
HELLO? YOU THINK YOUR AVERAGE POST-STRUCTURALIST GAY FEMINIST MLA MEMBER TENURED FACULTY DOESN'T HAVE WEED AT HOME?
And that your average UI Medical Center resident doesn’t use ups or downs?
And that your average bidness guy CEO never drives home over .08?
This is all bullshit. You don’t search someone’s home in order to bust someone for fucking misdemeanor offenses. They were trophy hunting, and they didn’t get their trophy — but they cost DJK $10mm. Way to go.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
A) Now YOU’RE the one making assumptions. Do those people do the things you’re saying they do? Who knows, but you’re painting with a pretty broad brush.
B) So again we ask, DJK didn’t make a poor decision by knowingly doing something illegal?
C) They didn’t cost him anything. His own decision making did
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
Do those people do the things you’re saying they do?
Yes. End of story.
by The Final Gun on Dec 8, 2010 5:10 PM CST up reply actions
Okay
I’ll wave bye to rational thinking /waves-bye
You have privy to information that the police were targeting DJK? From everything I can gather so far, they were targeting the roommate and DJK got caught up in the mess.
You don't know anything about police work
if you think they didn’t know DJK lived in a house they were targeting and seeking judicial sanction.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
Actually I do
They might have known he lived there, but again, might not. However, everything I’ve read points to them investigating the roommate, not DJK. So where is your source they were targeting DJK?
Do you know anything about police work?
Have you ever walked a beat, taken a domestic call, served a search warrant, or had to fight for your life with some asshole who wants to stab you to death?
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by NileKinnickIronman on Dec 8, 2010 9:42 AM CST up reply actions
"Or had to fight for your life with asshole who wants to stab you to death"
Matter of fact, I have. And I didn’t have any firearms, tazer, chemical agents, body armor or radio back-up for support that goes all the way up to the US military at the time.
Police work is not even in the top 10 of most dangerous jobs.
Unless me winning this asinine dick measuring contest means I am automatically right, lets drop the tough guy talk.
It’s far less impressive than you think.
Hawks for the win and falafels for the vagina
by DoYouLoveHawksorHate'Merica? on Dec 8, 2010 11:57 PM CST up reply actions
Police work is absolutely in the Top 10
Agree with most of your points but that statement was pure wrongitude.
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by therealCatnuts on Dec 9, 2010 12:04 AM CST up reply actions
Not according to the US Bureau of Labor
1. Fisherman (2) Military (3) Logger (4) Pilots (5) Iron Workers (6) Garbage Men (7) Farmers (8) Electrical Workers (9) Truck Drivers (10) Construction workers.
(By casualties.)
Hawks for the win and falafels for the vagina
by DoYouLoveHawksorHate'Merica? on Dec 9, 2010 12:14 AM CST up reply actions
Good stats, 'Merica.
I remember watching a show about loggers, and I can see how deadly that could be.
I think one of the saving graces of police is wearing a vest. Thankfully, many criminals are also very bad at accurate shooting.
Again, thanks to all the law enforcement officers. Many/most of us appreciate you.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Dec 9, 2010 12:22 AM CST up reply actions
The military wears vests,
but then again when police are driving around in their cars they don’t have to worry about fucking terrorists planting roadside bombs to try and blow their asses up.
Also it is safe to say that they might not be the most accurate and some of the decisions troops make might not be the best
"Again, thanks to all the law enforcement officers. Many/most of us appreciate you."
Unless you’re a cop in Marion, IA. Those guys are dicks.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
This x1000
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by BStylin Hawkye on Dec 9, 2010 2:34 PM CST up reply actions
You are correct, I am wrong. Good stats.
I was getting my suppositions from being an insurance salesman that writes a ton of Workers Comp. In that area, Workers Comp rates for police and firemen is almost always at least twice or three times as expensive as any other class code (next closest is usually crazy shit like underwater welding). And also more than ten times as expensive as almost all the above listed (everything except fisherman or roofer).
Now I’m sure that a sizable portion of that difference is a higher incidence of non-fatal injury, but the real reason is that police and firemen are notoriously INCREDIBLY corrupt when it comes to Workers Comp. A metric ton of them go on disability early and often, and take early retirement that allows them to take civilian jobs and still receive disability for the rest of their working lives. So yet another point of view as to why I think Chazz’s love of all things policeforce is crazy.
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by therealCatnuts on Dec 9, 2010 12:49 AM CST up reply actions
Guaranteed they
knew DJK lived there. Do you think that just because he lived there they chose to get a warrant to search the house? Eventhough they were targeting the roomate who had a past drug offense and was suspected of dealing drugs.
I would think a warrant always seeks out the owner and occupant identity...
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
I think that
if ICPD had a report that DJK smoked some weed, they would have filed it under “so do half the people in this town”. So they must have known that more than that was going on.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
perhaps the cops were just Cyclone fans?
Has anyone even considered that?
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Jesus Bellanca.
Check your caps lock. You would think a guy who bitches about fucking ellipses would AVOID ENTIRE SENTENCES WITH THE CAPS LOCK ON. IT’S REALLY OBNOXIOUS.
That's good stuff...
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Dec 8, 2010 7:32 PM CST up reply actions
Do they have warrants
that they aren’t using? If so, I hear you. Again, we’re getting into what is/isn’t legal, and application of the law, rather than what a dumb decision it was in the first place. If all they truly found was a half an ounce of weed in his medicine cabinet (as you keep referring to), I may be slightly more inclined to see your reasoning. But they didn’t.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
I'm surprised you guys are not seeing Bellanca's broader point
which is the selective nature of American policing. And in this sense, of course, he’s right. The police do not go after everyone equally. That’s just common sense fact.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
We see it
but it’s shifting the blame for the poor decision making of DJK to the guv’ment for it’s stupid laws and poor enforcement. It’s a different discussion for a different forum.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
Not really..because he's saying that
he does not see DJK as using poor judgement. He sees the legal interpretation as fairly innocuous. Along the lines of a kid getting drunk and arrested for public intox. You’re allowed to disagree with it, but that appears to be his point.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
he does not see DJK as using poor judgement
This is my problem with the whole argument. To keep 6 types (or whatever it was) of illegal drugs in your house when you have an NFL contract waiting for you is poor decision making. Living with a suspected drug dealer is poorer decision making. Agree or disagree with the way laws are written and enforced if DJK had made different decisions he would have nothing to worry about
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Dec 8, 2010 9:36 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I think that goes without saying
which might explain why the conversation is a =bit more nuanced than that.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
I thought it went without saying too
but many comments here make DJK out to be an innocent victim. .
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Dec 8, 2010 9:42 AM CST up reply actions
I don't read it that way
I don’t. I read it more as some people questioning the seriousness of what he did. Victim might be too strong of a word, a target, maybe. A selective target is what Bellanca is suggesting happened. Not a random vicim.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
I see where you are going
And I can see how Bellanca’s statements can be interpreted that way. But i think that is a argument that gets political really quickly and like i have said 10 times in this forum that argument is better discussed on a different forum. Again, the fact remains that if DJK did not live with a dealer and did not do drugs we would not be talking about this.
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Dec 8, 2010 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
But there is an ongoing, broader assumption that the IC police
look at athletes and students in general, differently than they do say year ’round residents, faculty, etc. It has often been a point of discussion when an athlete gets popped for DUI, etc.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
And as you said
it’s an assumption. How much truth there is to it is pretty hard to prove. I’m not saying I disagree with it (I really don’t know one way or the other), but people seem to make pretty definitive statements with no proof.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
Even in a court laws are subjectively interpreted
by people.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Got it
But it seems he was living with a drug dealer….
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Dec 8, 2010 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
Okay...we get that
look, the discussion is that this is not a black and white thing…there is a ton of gray, is the argument. And you’re arguing that there is little gray area. So that is the dialog.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
I am willing to recognize
the gray area.. but there is so many people here that have turned this into a vast conspiracy and refuse to even acknowledge that DJK made some mistakes. That is extremely flawed thinking. If the ICPD cops target players on a regular basis a guy like DJK would know that just like many people on this board “know” it. All the more reason to not do illegal drugs and live with a drug dealer. The blame is being shifted the wrong direction here, it is not the cops fault that they enforced the laws.
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Dec 8, 2010 9:53 AM CST up reply actions
Hell,
I’m a dope cop in Omaha, and don’t think that when Maurice Clarette came here to play for the Nighthawks I wasn’t wishing to get a case with his name on it. Oh, dare to dream.
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by NileKinnickIronman on Dec 8, 2010 9:55 AM CST up reply actions
You could have gotten a picture standing next to his Buckstache.
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by ReadingRambler on Dec 8, 2010 9:56 AM CST up reply actions
I understand your point and appreciate it
and I understand Bellanca’s point and appreciate it. I am conflicted about this really. On the one hand, I am not one to see the police as infallible or on the up and up at all times. I appreciate their work (that profession put bread on my table as a kid) and think the majority do it right and for the right reasons. But in the area of drugs, I think that area is the sketchiest area of the American legal system and American policing. It is painted with too broad of a brush.
I do think DJK made a mistake. That is without further discussion for me. I also am also on the verge of assuming some football operational culpability too. To not know a star player is doing drugs seems suspect to me.
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SMA
we are pretty much on the same page. and now we can stop this very narrow thread in the middle of the page.
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Dec 8, 2010 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
There.
You just said. He made a mistake. He committed a crime.
Argue about whether or not it should be a crime (You know where I stand), but, uh, he still broke the law.
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by ReadingRambler on Dec 8, 2010 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
There really aren't a bunch of conspiracy theorists in here (though you seem to be reading it that way)...
…it’s just that it’s obvious to anyone that DJK fucked up. Living with a drug dealer is not something anyone aspires to, and we can all see, clear as day, that this was a poor decision. Got it.
Everyone else here sees that and have decided that this series of events brought forth an interesting possibility for a side-discussion, which is completely understandable given the FUBAR nature to these events. Let people stretch their minds and exposed themselves to new and exciting ideas. It’s okay, this is a blog.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Dec 9, 2010 1:17 AM CST up reply actions
So what if they "trophy hunted"
Just because they’re not busting everyone else breaking the law doesn’t change whether or not DJK broke the law. In this respect its like speeding (not the public endangerment, but the application) – cops see several people speeding but only pull you over… you can bitch all day long that the guy in front of you was going just as fast or faster but it’s not going to get you out of a ticket.
Everyone knows God is a Hawkeye
Easy to not have a problem with trophy hunting
When you’re not the one wearing antlers.
Ceci n'est pas un blogue.
by Adam Jacobi on Dec 8, 2010 11:57 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Does it make a difference
If you strapped on the antlers through your own free will?
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Dec 8, 2010 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
Being that DJK's in multiple demographics...
…that just so happen to be disproportionately affected by drug laws, I’m not sure we can stop right at “free will.”
I’m not about to argue that he should walk or anything like that—it’s pretty clear he’s in a heap of shit of his own doing—but let’s not pretend there’s nothing wrong with drug enforcement in America, please.
Ceci n'est pas un blogue.
I will concede
the point that certain demographics are affected by the drug laws in this country more than others. My only point is that the demographic most highly affected by drug laws is “drug users”. No one forced DJK to live with a drug dealer.. no one forced him to use drugs. I have been here all day (home sick.. spare time is bad for me) just trying to emphasize the point that he made poor decisions and half the people here just want to get into a political discussion about what a tragedy it is that the system is crooked and goes after “people like DJK” I would rather talk about how this affects his draft status, Hawks on the recruiting trail, and the bowl game but we seem to just be stuck on anger over the fact that he got caught breaking the law and some people don’t think it’s his fault. Obviously, it’s your blog and your call on what is permissible discussion here but we have been borderline on politics all morning.
/crosses fingers and whispers please don’t piss of Jacobi
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Dec 8, 2010 12:22 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Honestly, I haven't had a problem with any of this
And if this is what political discussions are always like, there’d never have been a ban in the first place.
It’s when it turns into R vs. D, everyone who disagrees with who I vote for is a shithead, this person is un-American, etc. etc. that things break down.
Really, I barely even consider this “political.” I think it’s a civic discussion, and civics ought to be more discussed day-to-day, not less. I think the fact that we’re so many hundreds of comments (and so many strong, fervent opinions) in and not once have we gone into the partisan bullshit only further illustrates how far partisan politics have been removed from real life matters like this.
Ceci n'est pas un blogue.
by Adam Jacobi on Dec 8, 2010 12:36 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Thank you.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Dec 8, 2010 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
BOOMCAKES
he has spoken.
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Dec 8, 2010 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
YES YES YES
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Dec 8, 2010 7:20 PM CST up reply actions
+freaking100
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
By the way
my original +freaking100 was directed at SMKS, but I will add that another should be given to Mr. Jacobi
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
Perhaps a better way of saying it..
is that it’s generally common knowledge that cops “trophy hunt” or in smaller communities target certain people (ie – wait outside the bar waiting for you to get in your car, etc) – not saying I support it and have actually gotten busted by this method (as a “certain person” not a “trophy”). Just pointing out that we all know it goes on, DJK should’ve known it goes on, but whether they trophy hunted or not doesn’t change what he did or didn’t do. I think we both agree that DJK has some personal responsibility here and also that the system is not perfect.
Everyone knows God is a Hawkeye
No, that makes you a Furry.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Dec 8, 2010 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
They're everywhere
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by BStylin Hawkye on Dec 8, 2010 3:06 PM CST up reply actions
It takes one to know one.
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by ReadingRambler on Dec 8, 2010 3:25 PM CST up reply actions
Don't agree at all
He is making the assumtion that they were targeting DJK for misdemeanor personal use. When everything I can find, so far, points to the police believing that DJK’s roommate is a dealer.
I don't have a copy of the warrant
But I’m willing to bet that the entire premises was covered. So again, I’m not sure what you’re upset about? Are you just making a ARRR 4TH AMENDMENT argument or saying they exceeded the scope of the warrant? Or maybe that the warrant should’ve have been issued in the first place?
Well, what I'm saying,
is that there are gangs in Iowa City now. And allocating finite police investigative resources to trophy hunting football playing weed smokers is pathetic.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
You can be pissed at the law and cops all you want
but if DJK looks at his life and thinks.. wow i have millions of dollars waiting for me if i just stay clean and stops all of this it never happens.
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Dec 8, 2010 9:24 AM CST up reply actions
And I absolutely agree with you
However, try that shit in court and a judge will laugh in your face.
My point is that there is no possibility of trying it in court. He's already cooked.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
And coked too!
Tee hee hee.
See? Isn’t it funny?
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by ReadingRambler on Dec 8, 2010 9:55 AM CST up reply actions
I think Iowa City's police tactics on game day exposed
the selective nature of their work.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Do we know
that the warrant was for DJK? Or was it for his roomate that is the drug dealer and that they stumbled upon DJK’s drug use because they were searching the house for his roomates stash.
I'm not sure it matters
If I had been standing in the living room when they came through the door, they would have searched me. If I’d had a bag of weed in my pocked, the story would say that a 41 year old from Illinois was also arrested for poseession.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
No, you would have been busted for possession and 6 other crimes by association.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
But what was the 41 year old doing there?
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
Buying weed
most likely.
I’m not saying I would have been innocent. I’m just saying that I wouldn’t get to walk just because the warrant didn’t say “and anybody else in the house”.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Yea
it was really meant as more of a joke, but I’m not a particularly clever or witty person, so I couldn’t think of anything else to put there.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
Well in that case
I was just playin’ some X-Box man. DJK is my homie. This is all bullshit and I want my fuckin’ lawyer.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
I feel you dog
they all runnin up on you and some bullshit.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
No, I think they knew DJK was in the mix and that probably amped up the seriousness
of their efforts.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
You don't know if it is a misdemeanor or a felony until you get in the house.
That is the point behing serving the search warrant. And just because DJK is charged with misdemenaors, does not mean that the roomie was not chared with a felony.
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by NileKinnickIronman on Dec 8, 2010 9:32 AM CST up reply actions
It's right there in the text...
somewhere..just let me look for it…ummm…..
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actually
no its not… the way the statute is written, keeping a drug house is knowing your roommate took adderal that wasn’t prescribed to him, in his room while studying for finals… the statute is INCREDIBLY broad
by Omahawk(eye) on Dec 8, 2010 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
Wait, wait, wait...
I remember you making a huge deal out of Anthony Tucker’s alcohol problems, but you’re defending DJK’s drug problems?
by Angle's Dangle on Dec 8, 2010 8:22 AM CST up reply actions
Yes, correct.
Because AT nearly killed himself. Because alcohol clearly is more dangerous and addictive than a joint after dinner, and because AT was so addicted at age 19 that he went to sleep in an alley in the snow. Wake up, people.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
by Bellanca on Dec 8, 2010 8:26 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I don't disagree
that alcohol is more dangerous and addictive than “a joint after dinner” but he admitted to USING COCAINE!…. I think that Cocaine may trump alcohol
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Dec 8, 2010 8:29 AM CST up reply actions
Nicotine -- NICOTINE -- is more addictive than coke.
Look, you want to feel superior to DJK, be my guest. He didn’t do anything wrong, as far as the public record shows. If he was dealing, they need to bust him with a felony, and that’s a different story. He’s a young man making a living with his body, getting high in his room, according to the public record. Makes sense to me.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
Making a living with his body?
When did he become a male prostitute?
"You're going to go out there with a dick full of confidence. Then, you're going to go out there and shoot that confidence all over the stadium." -Blue Mountain State
The minute he signed with Iowa, but that's an entirely different story
Perhaps my best years are gone... but I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
HEEEYYY-OOOO!
"You're going to go out there with a dick full of confidence. Then, you're going to go out there and shoot that confidence all over the stadium." -Blue Mountain State
Okay. Now I understand.
You’re too stupid to discuss this issue with. Please proceed with your jeremiads about how this 22 year-old man whose career is based on superior athletic ability, and who experiences the equivalent of a car wreck at least once a week, should not have half an ounce of weed in his medicine cabinet.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
All i'm saying
is that if he gets caught with that one ounce of weed in his medicine cabinet and misses an NFL contract because of it he has no one to blame but himself because he and not anyone else broke the law. I am sad to see this come down to personal attacks from you Bellanca as I really enjoy your posting here and hold you in a high regard. I think if we were to have the conversation you want to we would agree on more than you think this simple minded idiot is capable of understanding. The point I am making is that DJK knew the law and broke it, stop trying to blame it on everyone else.
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Dec 8, 2010 9:02 AM CST up reply actions
I have no need to "feel superior"
But I think that as a responsible citizen you should follow the laws of the land whether or not you agree with them. If you disagree then go get a degree in law and fight to have them changed. (before you ask yes I break the speed limit, no I don’t think it is right to do so)
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Dec 8, 2010 8:52 AM CST up reply actions
Astonishing failure to reason.
You think you’re threatening more people by smoking a joint in your bedroom than by driving a 4000 pound vehicle at 75 in a 65 while listening to the radio, talking on the phone, and playing grabass with a chick?
We play tackle football, most of the time.
Astonishing failure to read?
I am not saying that the laws all make sense. What I am saying is that the laws are there whether you like them or not and if you break them you should expect punishment. People that speed pay the fines, people that live in a drug house and use illegal drugs can expect to deal with the punishment if they are caught. If it is that big of a deal to you then go get your law degree and try go get a case heard before the Supreme Court. Your constant lashing out at the legal system and anyone who thinks that he made a bad decision by breaking the law is getting ridiculous.
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Dec 8, 2010 9:13 AM CST up reply actions
Yes
Because nothing like that could ever happen on weed, coke, or painkillers. What if Tucker had simply gotten that drunk at home (and he probably did, from time to time). All you’re saying is the place and timing are the problem, not the act itself.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
First of all
just cause you pass out in an alley at the age of 19 doesn’t mean you are “so addicted”. Secondly, anyone who brings up the “weed is much safer than alcohol” line is probably a burn out. Many men smarter than any of us here have argued this in courts to no avail. It’s a societal thing. If you don’t like it, move to Canada.
"You're going to go out there with a dick full of confidence. Then, you're going to go out there and shoot that confidence all over the stadium." -Blue Mountain State
This sums it up pretty well
It’s a societal thing.
To be more clear, that “thing” is fear. Fear originally borne out by teetolaters who were upset to see people turning to weed after Prohibition was passed. Fear further spread by a newspaper mogul who didn’t want hemp to cut into the costs of the timber he was heavily invested in. There is no reason or logic behind the criminalization of marijuana and other narcotics, only fear.
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
by snley on Dec 8, 2010 8:57 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow
I know a ton of people who think weed should be legal that are not burnouts. Most of them don’t even smoke it any more. In one case I know that the person never has. So you might want to do two things
1) Learn about the history of haw and why marijuana is illeagal
2) Stop painting people with such a broad offensive brush
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
You people are the devil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM_vLk1I6G4
The blood of the innocent is on your hands!! YOURS!!!!
"You're going to go out there with a dick full of confidence. Then, you're going to go out there and shoot that confidence all over the stadium." -Blue Mountain State
Wish I could watch youtube at work
but I’ll just assume that is a humorus link.
Being the devil would be way cool though.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
"Burn outs"
“Secondly, anyone who brings up the "weed is much safer than alcohol" line is probably a burn out.”
There must be lots of burnout scientists and doctors then.
Bellanca says those guys are all users anyway.
/broad-brushed
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Dec 8, 2010 1:21 PM CST up reply actions
actually, it is WAY safer than alcohol.
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twitter.com/dmbmeg
Seriously, you ever try to stab a guy with a joint in a bar fight?
Waaaay safer than a bottle.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Dec 8, 2010 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
Was it prechewed?
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Dec 8, 2010 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
...wouldn't that just be "chewed?"
how does someone exactly “pre-chew?”
like pre-boarding. Aren’t you still in fact, boarding the plane?
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twitter.com/dmbmeg
Are you high?
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Dec 8, 2010 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
And lawyers,
and professors, and teachers, and cops. And just about EVERY PROFESSION out there.
I’m not ragging on you Recon, I agree with your disdain for the notion that only certain types of people smoke pot.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I drink a lot of alcohol and almost never smoke weed.
And in my opinion, if substances’ legality is based on their positive and negative effects on society, alcohol should be illegal, and weed should be legal. Granted, there are gigantic logistical problems to criminalizing alcohol and that’s not really a road that’s worth going back down, but in an alternate universe where marijuana had always been legal in the US and alcohol never was (with alcohol cartels predictably resorting to the same violent tactics that marijuana cartels currently do), nobody in their right mind would ever argue that marijuana should be criminalized and alcohol legalized. Alcohol is more dangerous than marijuana as a substance. That’s plain fact. The only reason I drink instead of smoke is because of the legal ramifications of each.
Then again, I’m white and quiet, so I probably don’t need to worry about getting busted for pot anymore.
Ceci n'est pas un blogue.
I've never done an illegal drug in my life but I drink all the time.
I know for a fact that my habitual drug of choice is far more dangerous to myself and those around me than those referenced in the criminal charges.
Most drugs (not all) are kept illegal because of the tremendous political influence of the alcohol lobby i.e. they don’t want competition. Do a little research on the history of absinthe and you’ll find that it was banned in France largely through the efforts of wine producers and distributors who didn’t like their diminishing influence in Paris. What do they do then? Prey on the public’s paranoia through scare tactics and appealing to extremest religious and “morality” organizations who are not afraid to be portrayed as crusaders…not unlike what we have today.Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Dec 8, 2010 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
The irony being, of course
that opiates and cocaine-like substances were perfectly legal when Prohibition was passed in this country.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Which brings us full-circle
because the vast majority of those vilified in the depictions of possessed, degenerate absinthe drinkers were also simultaneously using opium.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Dec 8, 2010 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
Speaking of irony, isn't it weird that the final DJK catch we'll remember from his time at Iowa
will be this?
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Dec 8, 2010 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
Cocaine and heroin were prescription drugs at one point.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Dec 9, 2010 1:33 AM CST up reply actions
So were leeches...
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Dec 9, 2010 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
Still are.
Though bloodletting has completely passed its usefulness
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Dec 9, 2010 2:58 PM CST up reply actions
I'm quite certain
that there was never a point in time where bloodletting was “useful”.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
It was very useful
for the guys getting paid to do it.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Dec 9, 2010 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
Bloodletting no,
but leeches and/or maggots are still being used to clean up dead tissue after amputations and such.
/Wild Tangent’d
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by IPeeBlackAndGold on Dec 9, 2010 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know what to say
I have been a DJK supporter in the DJK vs Ferentz head butting contest that has been the last few years. In the interviews I watched he came off as an articulate and intelligent young man that understood how lucky he was to be where he is now (especially given where he started) .. I suppose drug use is never a very logical choice but it is just mind boggling to me when he knows that he has a nice NFL contract waiting for him he would take this risk. I really hope that he gets some help battling any addiction he may have acquired in his years at Iowa and that he gets a chance to prove his worth on the field again someday.
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Dec 8, 2010 7:43 AM CST reply actions
Mind-bottling, isn't it?
In the heat of battle my father wove a tapestry of obscenities that as far as we know is still hanging in space over Lake Michigan.
Sam Okey's.
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by ReadingRambler on Dec 8, 2010 8:08 AM CST up reply actions
Leave him out of this...
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by Kyle McCann't on Dec 8, 2010 9:06 AM CST up reply actions
Leave me out of all of tihs.
I can’t believe we’re actually arguing about this.
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by ReadingRambler on Dec 8, 2010 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
That's a little narrow-minded (unless you're referring to this specific, silly tangent)
This is a hot-button issue with more than two sides to it. As the comments section is a forum ripe for debate it seems natural that we’d be arguing about it. Unless of course you feel as though your perspective is the only correct one, in which case I cannot help you.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Dec 8, 2010 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
What I meant by that was...
That I was getting the vibe that we were arguing over whether or not what DJK did was stupid and/or unjustified.
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by ReadingRambler on Dec 8, 2010 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
Point being
That if you have the chance to be an NFL star, you probably shouldn’t be hanging around stuff that a) is illegal and b) carries a bad stigma.
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by ReadingRambler on Dec 8, 2010 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
You know, when things are so crazy it gets your thoughts all trapped, like in a bottle?
In the heat of battle my father wove a tapestry of obscenities that as far as we know is still hanging in space over Lake Michigan.
All I can say is "What a fucking idiot."
by Stay thirsty, my friends. on Dec 8, 2010 8:19 AM CST reply actions
I'm assuming that finding "electronic media" means there were pictures
Why the fuck do people keeping taking pictures of themselves doing illegal things?
Kids today with their Facespace and the tweeters...
/GET OFF MY LAWN’d
Perhaps my best years are gone... but I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
I once videotaped myself ripping bong hits in Burge
Not my finest hour.
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twitter.com/dmbmeg
Just searched youtube
Came up empty
No self-respecting man from Iowa goes anywhere without beer
by Hayden Fry's Moustache Ride on Dec 8, 2010 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
Just searched youtube
Came up empty
No self-respecting man from Iowa goes anywhere without beer
by Hayden Fry's Moustache Ride on Dec 8, 2010 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
Proof
or it never happened
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
...it was on VHS and one of those giant cameras...
I wouldn’t even know how to get it on youtube.
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twitter.com/dmbmeg
UPS it to HMFR
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by BStylin Hawkye on Dec 8, 2010 3:46 PM CST up reply actions
do this
No self-respecting man from Iowa goes anywhere without beer
by Hayden Fry's Moustache Ride on Dec 8, 2010 8:37 PM CST up reply actions
Nevermind, I thought you were talking about me.
No self-respecting man from Iowa goes anywhere without beer
by Hayden Fry's Moustache Ride on Dec 8, 2010 8:38 PM CST up reply actions
More importantly
why was he taking pictures of himself doing illegal things AFTER THE FUCKING CITY BOYZ FIASCO???? seriously, no good ever comes from photos. Unless they’re naked pictures of your girlfriend, but even then they’re probably a bad idea from her perspective.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
How do you take naked photos of your gf from HER perspective?!?
Oh, wait, I got it.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Dec 8, 2010 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
Mirrors
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
by chitownhawkeye on Dec 8, 2010 8:14 PM CST up reply actions
Those are soooo the best leaked celeb pics
Unless they’re Greg Oden pics.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Dec 9, 2010 12:05 AM CST up reply actions
Since no "Failure to have a drug stamp" charge.
I think he’s not considered a dealer. Still an idiot though.
by Stay thirsty, my friends. on Dec 8, 2010 8:35 AM CST reply actions
Not nearly as serious as a tramp stamp charge
Perhaps my best years are gone... but I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
Oh man...
i know a girl who got nabbed for the tramp stamp. her life is forever changed….you just don’t get clear of something like that.
"You're going to go out there with a dick full of confidence. Then, you're going to go out there and shoot that confidence all over the stadium." -Blue Mountain State
The best tramp stamp I ever saw, in a cute, colorful, curly font... wait for it...
Fucking Classy
(I got to find that picture. It’s a classic.)
by Stay thirsty, my friends. on Dec 8, 2010 8:51 AM CST up reply actions
Is it really necessary
For the Gazette to put up a picture of DJK that could be the butt of a thousand cocaine jokes on the front page?
What a boon for Iowa; all the added interest in the Ensyte Bowl.
I can hear the talking heads now.
Talking head 1 “DJK, the all time leading receiver for Iowa, was arrested and charged with keeping a drug house.”
Talking head 2 “Well I guess DJK thought he was going to play in the Bong Bowl. Har-har-har.”
by Stay thirsty, my friends. on Dec 8, 2010 9:20 AM CST reply actions
With the program?
Lord knows I did some stuff in college that would have gotten me in some heat if I would have been busted. I can’t think of many college men that didn’t. But, wow, is this just disappointing. Like many of you, I loved watching DJK. I was thrilled with the thought of him playing in the NFL. Maybe he still will, I don’t know, but the road just got a whole lot tougher.
Personally, I think it’s refreshing that he took responsibility for his actions. I hope he “mans” up in the same way when it comes to his recovery (if needed) and learning from this bad decision. The kid’s a fighter and I wish the best for him.
by Nomo Stanziballs on Dec 8, 2010 9:23 AM CST reply actions
Well, he waived the preliminary hearing
Which means that there is enough evidence to establish probable cause and the need for a trial. So basically…he isn’t able to deny much.
Yeah when you spill your guts to the po-po, no need for a prelim.
Many moons ago in HS a friend got stopped by the police on his bike (as in 10 speed Peugot) and he was carrying a couple oz’s of the chronic. Cops asked him all kinds of questions and he didn’t say a word. He told me that on the trip to the station, the cop told him “If I was you I’d keep my mouth shut too.”.
I can’t remember out it all worked out. He now has a Phd in chemistry and works at some university in CA.
by Stay thirsty, my friends. on Dec 8, 2010 9:35 AM CST up reply actions
Coke as PED?
First Roy Marble (our all time leading scorer) and now DJK. Is cocaine a PED?
by ChrisKingsbury30Footer on Dec 8, 2010 9:33 AM CST reply actions
Freeway Travis Henry would agree.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Dec 8, 2010 7:27 PM CST up reply actions
This is going to come off as incredibly wrong
But I’m a lot more relieved to read this morning that the charges DJK faces are all misdemeanors. Last night, speculation and mis-information ran rampant, a lot of which were cleared up. But reading the article this morning, it looks like DJK is more of an anciliary to the main charges/violations/crimes of the roommate. Cops/prosecutors will ALWAYS charge someone with the most severe crime they can, it gives them more leverage in bail/arraignment hearings and leaves more wiggle room to plead it down later. The fact that DJK is only being charged with misdemeanors (albeit of a very serious nature), indicates to me that his role was more recreational user/guy who didn’t say anything about his roomie running a private business.
None of which is to condone DJK’s actions in any way, shape or form. Or to say he won’t or doesn’t deserve to face serious consequences, he absolutely does and will. Just that it sounds less like Scarface: Special Iowa Hawkeyes Edition and more like a dumb college kid who does drugs.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
It could be worse
At least it’s not kiddie porn.
Jesus, this sucks. Time to go.
Perhaps my best years are gone... but I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
Wow
that’s never good. Of course, he’s a freshman in college, so it could be something like naked pictures/videos of like some 16 or 17 year olds he knows. Either way, there must be a lot if they actually sought him out.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
It might've been mentioned here already, I checked out for a bit
But DJK is the only the second-worst piece of news I’ve got today.
Matt Millen is working the Insight Bowl.
God truly does hate Iowa.
Also, Dude, Chinamen is not the prefered nomenclature. Asian-American, please.
by Settles'7thYearOfEligibility on Dec 8, 2010 10:17 AM CST reply actions
Seriously?
ugh
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
On the other hand
maybe Kirk should just let DJK play. Millen could just tell everyone what a great man he is, what a difficult decision it was, etc.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
maybe his dad put his drugs there?
"Don't talk about me like I'm not here!" Shelby
twitter.com/dmbmeg
I would think a surgeon would have rampant access to those.
LET THE WITCH HUNT BEGIN.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Dec 8, 2010 7:29 PM CST up reply actions
perhaps
We’ll turn into the Miami Hurricanes in the 1980’s. YES PLEASE. I’ll take some of that awesome.
"Don't talk about me like I'm not here!" Shelby
twitter.com/dmbmeg
Fuck Yeah
Bring on the Kosar.
No self-respecting man from Iowa goes anywhere without beer
by Hayden Fry's Moustache Ride on Dec 8, 2010 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
And horrible bowl losses to a team quarterbacked by this guy:
Too square to be hip
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by ReadingRambler on Dec 8, 2010 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
According to the backlash around PSU recruiting
that may actually be an incoming freshman.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Dec 8, 2010 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
He started more than 40 games.
He lost once.
Penn State fans can suck it. As always.
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by ReadingRambler on Dec 8, 2010 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
This won't work
We need some kick ass controversial rap group to front us and I’m pretty sure Luke is busy these days. I also doubt Slipknot will have the same effect.
What about
those two guys from CR? They had a video and everything.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Uh, hello
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGrfPFpR2Qs
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
I can't think of better faces for the program then those 2.
by HawkeyeRecon on Dec 8, 2010 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
why not?
let’s all just stop our playa hatin’ and embrace what our program is becoming!
"Don't talk about me like I'm not here!" Shelby
twitter.com/dmbmeg
I said this before on the Twitter but,
for all of you so concerned about DJK ruining any chance at an illustrious NFL career, fear not. I heard somewhere that the Vikings are gonna pick him in the first round.
"Don't talk about me like I'm not here!" Shelby
twitter.com/dmbmeg
Did they hire Millen as GM without anyone knowing?
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
It's very funny
the Vikings deserve to be everyone’s object of ridicule for any and everything involved with the #4 saga. Man, I hate that guy, and love the fact that their season is going down in flames because of him.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
True
but I hate to root against former Hawks.
Doesn’t Green Bay need receivers? Or Indy? Or Chicago?
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
I love Greenway
and Peterson. In fact, before they picked up #4 last year, they were probably my second favorite team. But after that acquisition, they quickly plummeted to the bottom.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
NCAA drug testing
Am i naive, or does the NCAA not conduct any drug testing of players (student athletes)? For steroids, coke, reef, whatever?
Come to think of it, i don’t recall any news stories about a college player testing positive for an illegal substance. Do they get a free ride until they move on the NFL?
We're gonna need a montage. Ooh, it takes a montage.
by The Mario Pace Experience on Dec 8, 2010 11:10 AM CST reply actions
I know they test randomly
in the preseason I believe it is. Not sure how stringent, what they test for, etc. or what the penalty even is, because, as you said, I’ve never heard of a player testing positive.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
No, they get privacy
under University policy…and federal policy actually (FERPA).
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
then i assume that players getting caught
fall into the broad “suspended due to breaking team rules” category.
Doc’s article cover the U of I program pretty well (every athlete tested once), I’m curious how comprehensive the NCAA covers programs that aren’t so diligent.
We're gonna need a montage. Ooh, it takes a montage.
by The Mario Pace Experience on Dec 8, 2010 1:21 PM CST up reply actions
100 20 year olds...
And you will have problems like this unless they are swept under the rug like we all know happens (Shout out SEC). The job of the grown-ups involved should never be to exclude young people in trouble. There’s a lot of kick-em-to-the-curb sentiment in our society and on this list. This perpetuates the problem. KF has a chance to show some real leadership, bring this kid in closer than ever, and maybe positively impact the whole team and community. This is, generally, a good kid. Let’s not cast him aside.
Are you kidding?
This vindicates Ferentz for treating him like a red-headed stepchild for the last 4 years. He’ll make sure he has a comfy stop under the bus they are throwing him under.
by salparadise23 on Dec 8, 2010 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
spot under the bus
Ferentz treating him like that for four years vindicates my point. That’s just not how to reach kids like DJK. Bench one of the school’s best ever in his final game? That’s not just unfair it’s a little cruel and it has the effect of seeding doubt in someones mind that maybe they’re not cut out to make it in the world. I know what Ferentz is trying to do and the point he’s trying to make but he’s wrong. Our legal system and more broadly, our entire culture is wrong in how we treat these issues. It’s like kicking high school kids out of extracurricular activities for similar transgressions: what, so they get to go play vids at their broken homes with the neighborhood homies? DJK should and will suffer consequences but those should not include being kicked out of his surrogate family.
I'm not saying he needs to be booted
but saying he shouldn’t be punished is asinine. I’m really not sure how someone is suppose to learn anything if the consequence for their actions is to be allowed to continue with whatever privilege is in question. Maybe I’m just a heartless bastard, but that’s the way I see it.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
His eligibility is up. There's only 1 game left.
He’s played 4 years for Iowa and has been an amazing player. I think if there’s any possible way Ferentz can let him play, that he should. If he can’t let him play, he can’t let him play, but I would hope he’d at least be supportive of DJK in the NFL process.
by HawkeyeRecon on Dec 8, 2010 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
Agree about the NFL process
but to simply allow him to play because it’s his last game still sets precedent, even to underclassmen. The bottom line is you have to punish him accordingly, regardless of when the infraction occurred, IMO.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
And also,this is IOWA.
And we all know how much Ferentz loves to project that “Aw, shucks” Iowa attitude. Who knows how much of it is sincere, but I think the moral implications here will be important to him. He’ll want to put asmuch distance btwn DJK and the team as possible, and since he already dislikes DJK… well… yeah.
by stanzi's ex-girlfriend on Dec 8, 2010 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
Even though I don't think what DJK should be considered that serious
I agree that he broke the law and will be punished deservingly. And I further agree with you that he has forefited any claim/right he had to play in the bowl game. That said, I don’t think Ferentz should kick him off the team, Recon is right that this is actually the time to pull DJK in closer rather than push him away.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
DJK
is finished playing for us. What harm can there be in trying to help him with any personal issues he may have.
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Dec 8, 2010 1:12 PM CST up reply actions
Pierre Pierce's actions put others at risk.
DJK hurt himself.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Dec 8, 2010 1:13 PM CST up reply actions
second'd third'd whatever were at on this point
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Dec 8, 2010 1:12 PM CST up reply actions
I have no problem with that
Like I said, he should absolutely be suspended for the game. And to be honest, I’m not sure what else there is for him to participate in, team wise, as he would be taking practice time from other players. However, if there are team functions, lifting sessions, etc. that he can attend (hell, if he wants to attend practice and watch that’s fine too) then I’m all for it.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
I have nothing but great admiration for DJK's accomplishments at Iowa.
But he just admitted to possessing — and taking — a laundry list worth of illegal drugs. If that doesn’t warrant AT LEAST a one-game suspension (even if said game would happen to be the last game of his career), then I no longer have any idea what sort of punishments are warranted for anything.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Not to mention
Kirk has 100 players to be concerned about. There are something like 28 other players who have this as their last college game. This season is totally fucked up, and we don’t know if the team isn’t as well. I can’t imagine a scenario where Kirk would allow a circus where he’d be asked about DJK and little else in the runup to that game were he in attendance, much less in uniform. Fair or unfair, KF has a football program to be concerned with, and the feelings of 1 graduating player, even if he is the school’s alltime leader in many reception categories, probably won’t change his present suspension status.
For the record, I’m a fan of DJK and most of his play on the field. This arrest won’t change that. His actions harmed himself primarily, and tangentially the Iowa football program, if it stops here. The concern I’m sure many of us share is there will be more players dragged into this shitty deal. I agree with most of Bellanca’s points above. However, the best light I can put on this is DJKs actions were extraordinarily naive. Somewhat more likely, in my mind, they were more selfish?brash? – more along those lines. If you’re a well known 23 year old in Iowa City and like to smoke dope, don’t fucking live with someone who’s dealing. A 17 year old may not be able to figure that out, but a 23 year old who is thinking about an NFL career has no excuse.
Finally, to inject a completely other thought here, does anyone else find it worth noting he wasn’t living with other football players? Ugh, what a day.
To your last question
that was something that crossed my mind when I first heard he got busted. I assumed he was living with other players (all I heard was DJK arrested & suspended) and who that would be.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
Last question
Just opens up a whole other can of worms of rampant rumor-mongering about DJK’s popularity amongst his teammates. Probably best to let that sleeping dog lie.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
We agree...
about consequences. And I did say that he should and will suffer consequences. If i were coach he’d come to practice, run laps, pick up water bottles and push the laundry carts after, and of course not play the game. What we confuse is the difference between crimes against society at large (druug use, abuse and distribution) from victim crimes. He’s not Pierre Pierce but he’s getting similar treatment.
i like most of what you said
but this
Ferentz treating him like that for four years
confuses me.. none of us know what happened behind closed doors between those two. I think too point the finger at Kirk as if we now know that he mismanaged the situation is making a lot of assumptions.
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Dec 8, 2010 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
I was going to make a separate post but this seems like a good spot
I think a lot of peoples’ first reaction was to vindicate Ferentz in this whole DJK/Kirk squabble after hearing this news. But the problem is that it has been going on literally for YEARS at this point, and may have been for a variety of things. Unless the main quibble was something related to the drugs (either their use, or Ferentz knew he lived with a dealer, etc.), there is no way of knowing who is in the “wrong.” While this certainly uses up a lot of the goodwill DJK had built up, there’s no telling what the deal was any of those other times. I really looked forward to possibly some of the other stuff coming out after the season and DJK didn’t have to worry about further ramifications, but at this point anything would sound like sour grapes. The fact that DJK never seemed to give off much of the “diva” attitude (yes, he had poor body language from time to time, but he was awesome in the run game and seemed to play hard most of the time) certainly makes you wonder what was going on.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
I'm thinking Ferentz ....
…had to have either heard rumors or had some suspicions himself. I’m sure he knew who DJK’s roomie was. But he probably couldn’t prove anything, so the way he punished DJK was getting him on any and all mis-steps he could. Just my opinion, though.
by stanzi's ex-girlfriend on Dec 8, 2010 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
I have no information
On the relationship there and what Ferentz knew but I would like to think that Ferentz didn’t know anything. If he knew DJK was living with a drug dealer I would like to think that Ferentz would do all in his power to get him in a new apartment..
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Dec 8, 2010 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
If KF new the roomie was a dealer
he should have said “get a new roommate, or get off the team”. At a certain point you have to go tough-love and make people know that the behavior will not be tolerated.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Maybe in an ideal world.
But how is Ferentz supposed to explain that one? “Well we kicked the best wide receiver in school history off the team because he decided to live with someone that had a criminal record.”
I don’t think that would have gone over well…
I would think so too.
Does anyone know who the roommate is? I know Johnson is a common name, but could he be a brother or cousin from DJK’s biological family?
by HawkeyeRecon on Dec 8, 2010 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
Biological
I don’t think so
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Dec 8, 2010 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
Good point
Is almost hard to believe that Ferentz wouldn’t know something was a bit wonky with DJKs living situation, or alleged drug situation. Forget about Ferentz being a coach, he also has a kid on the team who may or may not also have known something. I mean, IC aint that big of a town to hide in.
by Ginormous Douchebag on Dec 8, 2010 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
yes
this idea that the arrest “vindicates” Ferentz’s treatment is a logically flawed post hoc rationalization. Maybe the dogousing/demotions/non-startings had nothing to do with drugs, maybe they had everything to do with it. The point is we don’t know, and can’t know, from the information available. Any attempt to say this “proves” anything in re Ferentz’s treatment of DJK is simply an exercise in baseless speculation and really says more about the biases of the particular person making the comment (to get all post-modern for a second).
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I just read the formal complaint on-line
and I can’t take credit for noticing this first (a poster at Morehouse’s blog noted this)….
The name on the complaint as Derrell Johnson-Koulianos (A.K.A DJK)
Odd…
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Sorry...it is listed on the complaint as
Derrell Johnson-Koulianos (A.K.A.: “DJK”)
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
I also noticed that
not sure if its standard operating procedure to include any known aliases ( i dont know how to make that word plural) Also, i noticed that DJK admitted that DJK knew his roomate was likely selling
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Dec 8, 2010 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
Never forget who you are.
Even when you’re the 8th most trending topic on Twitter due to a drug bust.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Dec 8, 2010 7:31 PM CST up reply actions
What I'm the most pissed about...
…is that he totally proved Ferentz right. Here I was hoping the whole time he was going to drop some bombshell in January and we’d finally find out what was going on behind the scenes, but it’ll never happen now. i just really wonder how much Ferentz knew, or had inklings of.
by stanzi's ex-girlfriend on Dec 8, 2010 11:34 AM CST reply actions
Again
No, he didn’t. So far as any of us know, the information available does not support the conclusion that Ferentz was “right”. Ferentz may have been, or it may have been unrelated, but we cannot determine that given what is “known”.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
HoyaGoon
applying logic to BHGP threads since (i have no idea)
+1 sir.
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Dec 8, 2010 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
When I say right...
…I mean that no matter what the actual issue between them was, Ferentz had him on atight leash. This whole “It was DJK’s choice” to not talk to the media is bullshit. He had the date of his twitter “launch” posted on FB, said there’d be a press conference, told Hlas he could have the first interview with him as long as he did it “Epic, 60 Minutes Style.” Sounded pretty eager to me.
For whatever reason, Ferentz didn’t get along with him. Many people believed he was just being exactly what DJK said, “Captain Killjoy.” When DJK was the only one who played worth a shit at the Minny game, that made people side with him even more. I read tons of posts criticizing Ferentz for not starting him.
So I believe that, whether connected to this or not, Ferentz judged his character correctly. Just my opinion.
by stanzi's ex-girlfriend on Dec 8, 2010 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
This is the dickpunch that followed the roundhouse kick to the head that was this season.
Other things that would not surprise me if they happened.
1. Ricky Stanzi announces he is dropping out of school before the Velveeta-Rotel Insight Bowl. He promptly hops in a VW van and moves to San Francisco to join a commune.
2. After an in-depth investigation, it is announced that Julian Vandervelde lip syncs.
3. Reports surface that a family friend solicitated Tyler Sash’s services to Iowa State during his recruitment. The asking price – a case of Templeton Rye.
4. Norm Parker retires. Greg Robinson promptly hired.
by Feelin' Orney on Dec 8, 2010 11:50 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
4. Norm Parker..
follows fellow-diabetic-amputee Ron Santo to the VIP room upstairs. Both have both feet. New defensive coordinator adds second page to playbook.
But cancer...
didn’t take his feet. I still think Ronnie could probably play some first base for this version of the Cubs with or without feet.
#4 scares me the most
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
It gets worse
4(a): Norm retires. And is replaced by a clone of KOK.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
KOK held off on the Indiana gig
to interview at Florida.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Dec 8, 2010 1:40 PM CST up reply actions
Hayden would never let this happen
Only his stache can be that epic in Iowa garb.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Dec 8, 2010 7:32 PM CST up reply actions
Well I still wanna know if that dude from last night...
…who said he has it from a good source that Stanzi does coke off toilet seats is legit. Nothing would surprise me at this point.
by stanzi's ex-girlfriend on Dec 8, 2010 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
at this rate, I'll believe anything
Considering a roommate of A-Rob and them told me that he knows some shit about some players that will make this DJK thing look like child’s play
by HawkeyeBoiler on Dec 8, 2010 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
And the ICPC. Oh and +1
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Dec 8, 2010 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
So what?
I know some shit about friends from school and what they did then that would make even these rumors look like Sunday-school activities in comparison. I’m shocked, SHOCKED that college kids are into alcohol and drugs. I bet they even have sex with people they aren’t married to as well!
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
College kids do drugs!!!
Whaaaat.. blow my mind.. But seriously, this one does surprise me. Your average Business major at Iowa doing drugs I can believe. A guy that just has to stay clean in order to pick up a few million bucks I cannot. I was shocked.
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Dec 8, 2010 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
5. Matt Roth issues public apology.
Says Roth, “I’ve grown up since college. I now realize that offensive linemen are not fat, stupid, and ugly. Just the other day I went to see the Lion King with Steinbach. It was just a delightful evening”
by Feelin' Orney on Dec 8, 2010 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
What is omitted
is that Roth ran on-stage, tackled a “gazelle” and then ate the actor inside.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Dec 8, 2010 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
Urban and Tebow to be reunited in Denver.
ok probably not
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Dec 8, 2010 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
This whole comment thread fucking sucks.
Glad I stopped reading about a third of the way through.
So just shut your face and take a seat, 'cause after all, you're just talking meat.
The season sucked, which led to this dude getting arrested, which sucked, then that moved to this tread sucking.
Where do we go from here?
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by ReadingRambler on Dec 8, 2010 7:04 PM CST up reply actions
spit
So just shut your face and take a seat, 'cause after all, you're just talking meat.
by Bucketochicken on Dec 8, 2010 7:07 PM CST up reply actions
DRUGS ARE TEARING THIS FAMILY APART
I don’t want you to get a divorce, mommy and daddy.
/Sobbing uncontrollably
"You think you can take me? Go ahead on. It's your move." -- Thomas Jefferson Geronimo III
by IPeeBlackAndGold on Dec 8, 2010 8:01 PM CST up reply actions
DRUGS AND OTHER THINGS MAYBE ALSO
/PSA’d
(sorta NSFW)
So just shut your face and take a seat, 'cause after all, you're just talking meat.
by Bucketochicken on Dec 8, 2010 8:04 PM CST up reply actions
Da fuck?
Shoulda been a link there.
So just shut your face and take a seat, 'cause after all, you're just talking meat.
by Bucketochicken on Dec 8, 2010 8:05 PM CST up reply actions
What was his likely round in the NFL draft before this mess?
by GaryDolphinSafeTuna on Dec 8, 2010 5:27 PM CST reply actions
I think late 2 to early 4 would have been considered reasonable if not optimistic
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Dec 8, 2010 6:16 PM CST up reply actions
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