Iowa 27, Missouri 24: Did That Really Just Happen?
In case you need a refresher...
Uh... wow.
* Micah Hyde, your place in Hawkeye history is secure. The MSU pick was memorable enough, but that was also a tandem affair -- without Sash's catch and lateral, that play doesn't exist. The pick tonight was 100% Hyde -- and roughly 1000x more meaningful since it, oh, won the game. It was just a beautiful play -- a great read of Gabbert, an excellent catch, and a spectacular runback. So two of the most incredible interceptions in recent Iowa history and arguably the most amazing touchdown in a bowl game outside of Tate-to-Holloway? Yeah, that'll do just fine, Hyde -- no pressure trying to top that over the next two years. Hyde's had some struggles over the course of the season, but he's also shown definite improvement -- and the playmaking ability he's flashed makes it pretty clear why the coaches were willing to hand him the keys to the other starting cornerback spot at the start of the season.
* Welcome to the show, Marcus Coker. Midway through the fourth quarter, I was convinced that Coker would be the lead story of the game from an Iowa perspective, win or lose. Then Hyde pulled that bit of magic out of his ass and, well, you know. But that shouldn't overshadow the fact that Coker was absolutely, undeniably fantastic tonight -- and unquestionably the Man of the Match (though Hyde had the play of the game). He was the total package -- utterly punishing defenders who tried to stop him (Jarrell Harrison got absolutely fucking Duong'd on one play and if anyone can provide a .gif of that, I will love them forever), showing impressive speed (like that breakaway 62-yard touchdown run in the first half), and even getting a few good blitz pick-ups in. About the only thing he didn't do is catch a pass and that's only because Stanzi didn't throw any checkdowns his way. Coker set Iowa bowl records for attempts (33) and yards (219) andohyeah he's a true freshman. Regardless of what happens to A-Rob in light of his most recent transgression, Coker's performance over the last month of the season is going to make it damn hard to name anyone but him the starter. (Please oh please keep your filthy paws off him, AIRBHG.) And, by the way... totally called it.
* So, yeah, that play... Not gonna lie: I was kinda stunned that the officials overturned it. Ultimately, I think it was the right call -- the more replays ESPN showed the more it really did seem like the ball was bobbling around in Moe's grasp and touching the ground -- but if the officials had decided that the evidence wasn't conclusive and they were sticking with the original call on the field... well, I wouldn't exactly have been surprised. Was it a gift? Maybe a little. But I'll take it -- it might be the first bit of good luck the Iowa defense has had since Damarlo Belcher dropped that pass in the endzone.
* Maybe happy endings do (sort of) exist. For three quarters, Iowa's two most prominent seniors, Ricky Stanzi and Adrian Clayborn, were having farewell performances to forget. Stanzi had been uneven in the first half and then did a full-on regression into his STANZIBALL flingin' self in the second half with two unconscionably bad interceptions (and a few more that were near-misses)... but he was able to make the game-icing pass to Reisner. It wasn't a difficult pass (at all), but it was one that needed to be made and one that made an otherwise miserable performance a little more palatable. It was also an example of the Iowa offense finally doing the one thing it couldn't do in so many of those late-season collapses: get a first down on offense to ice the game. As for Clayborn, he was mostly invisible for the first three quarters (although he was hardly alone: Christian Ballard, Broderick Binns, and Mike Daniels were every bit as incognito in the game -- only Karl Klug made an impact from the defensive line) -- but he finally made a few key plays in the fourth quarter. His pass rush on a third-down play early in the quarter forced a rare incompletion from Gabbert and a Mizzou punt. And on Hyde's fateful interception, Clayborn's pass rush flushed Gabbert out of the pocket and into his horrendous decision. Those plays won't erase a season's worth of disappointment by any means, but it was nice to see two players so integral to Iowa's success over the past three years able to end their Iowa careers on relative high notes.
* The future is now. Despite being a senior-loaded team (25 to be precise, not counting the persona non grata that is DJK), almost all of the best players on the field for Iowa were freshmen or sophomores. Marcus Coker, as already noted, is just a true freshman. Two of Iowa's starting offensive linemen are sophomores (James Ferentz and Riley Reiff) and one of its regular contributors this year is a freshman (Nolan MacMillan). And two other starters/regular contributors -- Adam Gettis and Marcus Zusevics -- are just juniors. Most of an offensive line that spent all night opening big holes for Coker and keeping Stanzi's jersey clean (he was never sacked and rarely under pressure) should return next year. Micah Hyde is a sophomore. James Morris, who had a couple of clutch sacks (ZOMG IOWA BLITZED), is another true freshman. Mike Meyer, who made two field goals and did a pretty solid job of getting his kickoffs deeper (he had at least one touchback), is yet another true freshman. Losing so many seniors will still be a big blow, but there are definitely some very promising young players to build around, too.
And, sure, there are still things about this game to fret about -- for one, the obstinate stubbornness in sticking with the base 4-3 despite Gabbert shredding it right, left, and center (I think TJ Moe just caught another pass against poor Troy Johnson) was damn near fatal -- but for now it's probably best just to relax in the good feelings of this improbable, incredible win. It's been a long time since we've been able to feel this way -- and it feels gooood.
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You know, it's weird
but I really enjoy winning close games in the fourth quarter than losing them. And having an OC who calls plays that not everyone in the viewing audience knows are coming. So, what I’m trying to say is GO HAWKS!!!! IOWA AWESOME!!!!
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I didn't realize we were allowed to win games in the 4th quarter.
It does feel good
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
by chitownhawkeye on Dec 29, 2010 8:59 AM CST up reply actions
I don't know about anyone else...
But I called that boot to Reisner at the end. I was so sure they wouldn’t just run again and punt. I can’t believe Mizzou didn’t have it anywhere near covered.
The real question is this;
when the fuck is Micah Hyde going to start returning kicks?!?!
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Dec 29, 2010 2:15 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
I dont know why he wouldnt
"I believe I have the total package of speed, strength, and explosion," Adrian F@#kin Clayborn
by DportROTCHawki on Dec 29, 2010 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
Actually
The Hyde pick tonight was just about the replica replay of the Sash pick-pitch to Hyde against MSU. In that game he also made a Sayers like terraced weaving and dodging run to the left side of the field;
That guy just knows what to do with an interception, now if he would just make some more of them.
by Corncob Justice on Dec 29, 2010 2:18 AM CST reply actions
Lost in all the Stanzi critiques is that he had one of the best seasons in Iowa history by some metrics
Stanzi is now tied with Chuck Long for most passing td’s in a season (I believe). He would have broken the record on the Reisner conversion, but I think that 27tds to 6ints is something we would have taken without a question in August if you offered it.
He's not tied with Long
he’s second with 25 (to Long’s 27). And while there is nothing that one can pinpoint as “wrong” with Stanzi’s performance this season, it just always seemed that he was a little bit off. That something wasn’t quite “right” with his performance. Statistically, everything was much, much better. But the magic was gone.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Give me stats over "magic" any day.
Granted, I would have loved some more magic in 4th quarters, but he was getting the ball with less than a minute left for game winning drives, something he only pulled off once last year.
by PackerHawk on Dec 29, 2010 2:32 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I generally agree
but there was something missing Stanzi’s game this year. It’s somewhat ephemeral, but what he had before was gone this season.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Yeah, it was missing.
He was definitely more Brady than Favre on the field this year (not saying he’s that caliber of player, but the general approach and the intangibles). Last year he definitely had more of the gunslinger approach.
For what it's worth (which isn't much, probably)...
Iowa’s had its most success under KF in years where the QB didn’t have his best stats (with the exception of Banks in 2002). Statistically, 2005 Tate was superior to 2004 Tate — but 7-5 < 10-2 and that’s why people argue until they’re blue in the face that 04 Tate was better. Statistically, 2010 Stanzi was superior to 2009 Stanzi — but 8-5 < 11-2 and I’m sure futurepeople will argue until they’re blue in the face that 09 Stanzi was better.
Personally, if we can get more statistical performances like 05 Tate or 10 Stanzi, I’ll take my chances with the final record. “Magic” is all well and good (and it makes for better memories), but given time raw production should win out more often than not.
That, or stats are meaningless.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
by RossWB on Dec 29, 2010 2:38 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Look at the defenses those years
Would be nice to have ’10 Stanzi with ’09 D. Or ’05 Tate with ’04 D.
Yes, that certainly helped.
Ultimately, I think I’d settle for just giving ’10 Stanzi Edds and Angerer back on defense. I think that would have made a world of difference.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
yes, yes, a 1000x yes
I think it was evident to everyone who was watching the game that our linebackers weren’t physically ready to play our scheme against a quality passer. Edds and Angerer’s ability to run in coverage was missing all season.
This takes nothing away from our freshmen linebackers, they are going to be good, just not ready yet. Never good when your linebacking core is described by what they did in High School.
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by The Bacon Explosion on Dec 29, 2010 9:12 AM CST up reply actions
Or
we probably could have had more success with this year’s LBs if we had Spievey shutting down one side of the field (Prater probably wouldn’t have had to play so far off his receivers so as to help in the middle of the field because our safeties wouldn’t have had to watch both edges and could have come up in support).
Just an observation of a possibility.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Dec 29, 2010 9:54 AM CST up reply actions
No question losing great players to the NFL hurt us
Along with injuries on defense. Our plain vanilla offense works great WHEN the defense is capable of shutting down the other team… but we didn’t have the personnel to do that this year.
Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more cowbell!!
by The Bird Cult on Dec 29, 2010 9:56 AM CST up reply actions
Oh, and great write-up as per usual Mr. Editor-in-Chimp
Coker was a beast. Even better for an Iowa fan’s perspective, he will only get better as he has more time in the system (assuming, of course, that immediately after the game he was flown out to an undisclosed location in a secret location to keep him from the clutches of AIRBHG). As I believe SMA mentioned, Coker’s running form needs adjustment, he tends to run bent over and leaning forward, not straight-up and down from the waist.
One complaint, then rare praise (from me) about KOK. First, WHY do we insist on having the wrong personnel packages in the game? The non-fumble return off a Chaney drop (right call by the refs, BTW) is made all the more inexcusable for the fact that Keenan Davis WAS NOT in the game at the time. In fact, Davis was barely present at all, despite probably being our most talented WR from a pure physical standpoint. Instead we have Chaney trying and Nordmann actually (amazing catch and run) making catches in the game, all the while DJK is spending time preparing his defense and our next best WR only taking kicks. There are many, many problems with KOK. The most pressing seems to be our complete mis-management of personnel. We burn offensive redshirts, only to never have them contribute meaningfully (Davis, Polish Hat), then stick with players who have shown they don’t have what it takes to play their position (Chaney – great on kicks/punts/end-arounds, miserable hands). This has to stop.
That said, all criticism of KOK has to take a back-seat to the praise he deserves for having the HUGE cajones to call that 3rd-down play-action pass to Reisner. I remember saying, right before the play, that if we had a daring offensive coordinator, we’d call a quick handoff to Morse; if our OC had balls of steel, he’d bootleg with an option pass. The stated assumption being that we’d never, in a million years, do either with KOK. I was wrong. So very, very wrong. And KOK deserves a metric shit-ton of credit for having the balls to call that play.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I recall being dumbfounded that Chaney made a catch earlier in the game.
But I agree that it was puzzling that he saw so much time and guys like Davis and Nordmann didn’t. Is KOK definitely in charge of all the offensive personnel? How much of a say does Soup have in who gets reps? Those are things I’m not sure about.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I don't know either
and we’ll never know. Whoever is making the call needs a serious talking-to, however. I won’t shy away from my calls for KOK’s head, but tonight he showed me something.
But, and I say this with love, I am glad that Chaney and Sandeman are graduating.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
But who will run the end arounds next year?
And whoever it is, can we continue to hate KOK and not the WR for those?
I'm just sad we never got to see DAPPER DONNY NORDMANN run an end around.
KOK’s such a hater.
(More seriously, I could see Jordan Cotton inheriting the end around job on offense next year. Or maybe KMM.)
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
You can't call him KMM
because Kevonte Martin-Manley is so fun to say.
When he makes a catch I’ll be all: (phonetically) “KEE-von-TAY MAR-tin-man-LEE!”
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Dec 29, 2010 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
But I'm lazy.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Meh
When you say it with gusto, it’s worth the effort.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Dec 29, 2010 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
once again,
the end-arounds averaged 8.5 yards per attempt this year. That’s hard to find fault with.
by The Final Gun on Dec 29, 2010 8:44 AM CST up reply actions
They're too fun to make fun of
Because for some reason they were hard to stop, even though everyone who follows Iowa football knew exactly what was coming.
So what if I tailgate to the NPR jazz station?
I don't personally have a problem with them
But it seems like every time KOK calls one there’s at least one aneurysm in the live thread.
Part of the reason
I have a “problem” with them, is that it is obvious, and isn’t designed to. It’s a somewhat complicated triple-option (pre-snap) play. There is a dive by the RB (which we’ve used a couple of times) + the end-around option + a pass fake. It’s somewhat obvious that the play is designed to, at some point, be used on a deep post-pattern pass after the end-around play fake. But we have NEVER done this, even with our WR talent this year. Granted, it would take a LOOOONG time to develop, but even if done once it would force the defense to be honest on the play, probably opening up more running room for the WR on the end-around.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Sandeman is a loss, Chaney is not.
Sandeman had some solid grabs tonight and was a decent punt returner when he was back there. Chaney has no wiggle (making him an awful punt returner) and his track speed never really translated to the football field. Maybe he was mis/under-utilized, but I will not miss seeing him get minimal yards on an end-around.
"They're not people, James Ingram. They're Jimmy Buffett fans."
by SomeJerkPoster on Dec 29, 2010 2:49 AM CST up reply actions
Sandeman
exhibited poor form in his catches, as he’s done for all four years. Look, I’m not going to beat the guy, he’s been a great role-player for Iowa and performed well throughout his career. But he is an incredibly run-of-the-mill WR who tends to trap catches against his body rather than grab the ball with his hands. Plus, he has a weird tendency to jump-catch the ball when it is unnecessary. Last year vs PSU it led to a dropped pass that he managed to kick up in the air leading to an INT, tonight in the 1st quarter he did the same but came down with the catch. In the end, I will never speak ill of Sandeman but he and Chaney are opposite sides of the same coin, some great skills but ill-suited to play wide receiver at the D-1 level.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Fair enough.
But Sandeman > Chaney in the return game.
"They're not people, James Ingram. They're Jimmy Buffett fans."
by SomeJerkPoster on Dec 29, 2010 3:00 AM CST up reply actions
Punt returns, yes
Though Chaney had some really nice kickoff returns tonight.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Yeah, don't think Sandeman ever returned a kickoff...
And Chaney makes sense returning the ball when he’s got room to get a head of steam up.
"They're not people, James Ingram. They're Jimmy Buffett fans."
by SomeJerkPoster on Dec 29, 2010 3:03 AM CST up reply actions
$20 says we see Hyde returning kickoffs next year
He’s just got too much athleticism for us not to utilize it.
Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more cowbell!!
by The Bird Cult on Dec 29, 2010 3:59 AM CST up reply actions
Would you rather have Mr. Spock back there?
Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more cowbell!!
by The Bird Cult on Dec 29, 2010 9:56 AM CST up reply actions
Punts maybe
Kicks, probably not. Personally I’d rather they didn’t use him to run back kicks, because they’re already thin in the secondary.
Not so fast!
Sandeman (especially in the latter half of last year) had some awful, awful decisions when it came to fair-catching a punt or letting it go. Those led to some horrible field position, and that’s probably part of why you saw Chaney Jr. taking punts this year. That and Sandeman really isn’t that fast.
So what if I tailgate to the NPR jazz station?
Everything goes through Ferentz.
Everything.
So just shut your face and take a seat, 'cause after all, you're just talking meat.
by Bucketochicken on Dec 29, 2010 7:09 AM CST up reply actions
Like shit through a goose?
Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more cowbell!!
by The Bird Cult on Dec 29, 2010 8:59 AM CST up reply actions
That's what is so frustrating about KOK
He’ll have calls like that last pass, and he’ll have near entire halves where it’s just bing, pow, zap…. but then there are so many times when it’s like he has no f’n clue what he’s supposed to do. Run up the middle… no? OK, run sligthly right of middle…. no? OK try the middle again. Or he’ll keep going back to the deep ball when it really isn’t needed and hasn’t been working for weeks. . Just move the damn ball, take the 4 or 5 yards they’re giving. Stop worrying about balance and just keep doing what they haven’t stopped for the last 20 minutes.
It’s a Jekyl & Hyde deal.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Everyone does realize
that the last play to Reisner is the same basic play that broke Stanzi’s ankle against jNW in 2009?
I will never say KOK is an offensive genius although at times he dials up the correct play. He was a catch (from Sandmann) and a stay on your feet (from ARob) away from making the Orange Bowl last year a complete blow out. Coker had 33 carries last night and was our only option. The fact that Mizzu couldn’t stop our running game doesn’t help that if Coker ran for 250 on 30 carries in the first half Iowa would have had no running game at all in the second half – thus no play action either. Coker was used and abused last night, he couldn’t have done more and been any factor in the fourth quarter. Give KOK any other semi-effective option at running back and I could have played quarterback to hand hand off the ball.
I have no idea why Davis wasn’t in the game more, no reason I can figure out or excuse unless it is something we don’t know about.
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by The Bacon Explosion on Dec 29, 2010 9:27 AM CST up reply actions
I did not realize that
But that doesn’t mean it was a good play call last year. Then, it was obvious this game was going to go well, just don’t do anything stupid. In that kind of game, backed up in your end zone? Avoid the safety and know your probably going to punt. ie – run it up the gut and hope for the best. Last night, a little magic was needed. If it hadn’t worked, maybe we could have gone for it on 4th down, otherwise just hope the defense could hold ’em.
Stanzi’s ankle was a freak injury, I don’t blame the play call. Corey Wooten is still a sonofabitch.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Wooten redeemed himself by...
KO-ing Brett Favre into retirement (allegedly)?
Stanzi sold the PA better last night/this morning as well.
The play-action on the Reisner roll-out was stellar, not only because everybody knew that it would be a run up the middle.
So what if I tailgate to the NPR jazz station?
Maybe it was because they were seniors?
just spitballin’
When I grow up I wanna be like Koeppel Knievel
Maybe
but the fact remains that we’ve basically wasted two years of Davis’ eligibility for him to be a very rarely-used role-player. Kid has too much innate talent to burn through eligibility like that.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Agreed
I really wish they would have used a redshirt his first year, however, they had no way of knowing that McNutt would have the year he did, so at the time it looked like a good call. Hindsight…
When I grow up I wanna be like Koeppel Knievel
I'm as excited as anybody to see what Davis can do
but he clearly hasn’t earned PT. Soup would have him in there if he did. McNutt played last year as a sophomore, Chaney has seen probably more PT than he should the last couple years. It’s not an aversion to playing underclassmen. He’s probably just not ready yet.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
The near-constant refusal
to go with what’s working is incredibly aggravating. Especially later in a game (after first couple of minutes of the 2nd half), there’s no point in trying to keep the defense honest, just KEEP DOING WHAT THEY CAN’T STOP until they prove that they can, then you can make them honest.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Yeah, keep stuffing em with Coker until they start shitting him out their butts
Then keep giving him the ball.
I would love to see Coker get 300 yards in a brutal, brutal smash mouth game. Maybe against Nebraska, that would be good. :)
Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more cowbell!!
by The Bird Cult on Dec 31, 2010 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, after Coker got over 200 yards I kept waiting for the personal foul resulting in his leg being ripped off at the hip (fuckin AIRBHG).
And since we’re already talking about the future…
1) How long until our completely irrational fanbase starts with the “Coker’s winning the Heisman in 2011!” stuff? I say March.
2) Imagine the 1-2 punch that 230 lb Coker and 235 (?) lb Coe will present in a couple years!
WOO!
I’m excited already.
Coker for Heisman!!!!!!!!!! Nooch.
(Yes, I just nooch-ed.)
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Dec 29, 2010 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
At which point
we will switch to a 75% pass based offense.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
I'm okay with that as long as it's productive passing
Have you seen Rudock? Had 36 TD’s vs 3 INT’s for his Florida state champion team. A friend of mine that doesn’t like Iowa football saw him in person and called him “our future.” He said he’d never seen a HS QB that looked that good.
Rushing Passing
Year TD PA PC Pct Yds TD Int
2010 (Sr.) 2 231 160 69.3 2,784 36 3
2009 (Jr.) 3 197 128 65.0 1,945 34 5
by KinnickNorthHawk on Dec 29, 2010 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
Shit 70 TDs vs. 8 INTs in two years?
And not against slouch HS Ds either.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Dec 29, 2010 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
Plus over 65% completions both years
AND he can run a little!
It doesn’t hurt that he’s passing to Dorsett’s kid, but still.
by KinnickNorthHawk on Dec 29, 2010 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
Well, he does have two D-I WR's, Miami and FSU, I believe.
Obviously, there is some synergy there, but still…
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Yes, Tony Dorsett's kid is one of them
I’m sure that doesn’t hurt. For the completion %, I’m sure that is a big factor (fewer dropped passes), but I guess I’m hoping that Iowa has a couple of D-1 WR’s that he’s able to throw to… I know. That might be a stretch.
For the INT’s, a bad pass/bad decision can happen even an open receiver. My friend said he was impressed with the decision-making. He was able to run with it when needed rather than toss a 50/50 ball. Huh. Interesting concept.
Anyway, I’m very hopeful for this guy since we haven’t had too many top-notch QB’s in the past 20 years.
by KinnickNorthHawk on Dec 29, 2010 1:04 PM CST up reply actions
No top-notch QBs in 20 years?
Banks, Tate and Stanzi were all excellent college QBs. Stanzi was probably the worst of them but will get a better shot at the NFL because of measurables.
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by therealCatnuts on Dec 29, 2010 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
Note that I said "too many"
Banks was awesome, no doubt, but we only had him for one year. Tate was the entire offense in 04, better statistically but not as effective in 05, and injured and angry in 06 (disappointing). Stanzi is solid and I love the guy, but he is not top-notch.
Didn’t see any argument to the 90’s portion of that 20 year span…
So, I’d say we had 2 to 3 years of “top-notch” from the QB position in the past 20 years. Banks and ‘04/’05 Tate. Other than those years, our QB wasn’t even in the top 2 QBs in our conference. For once, I’d like a string of years where the other B10 teams covet our QB.
by KinnickNorthHawk on Dec 29, 2010 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
You are a prince among degenerates, sir.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
That is awesome
The radio guys blew up when it happened, thanks for linking
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
by chitownhawkeye on Dec 29, 2010 9:04 AM CST up reply actions
I love the way Harrison lands flat on his butt so hard that it makes his head slump down (indicative of the shame he should feel).
And I love that the announcers were talking about comparisons to Greene right before he Duong’d that guy.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Dec 29, 2010 10:04 AM CST up reply actions
I'm so ashamed
I gave up after Mizzou went ahead. Had a great jam session, but… I WAS SO WRONG ABOUT THIS GAME.

Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more cowbell!!
by The Bird Cult on Dec 29, 2010 2:59 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
Don't despair
I happen to think you were mostly right.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
including thinking that we should have put in Vandenburg with ten minutes left in Stanzi's final game?
and that the whole coaching staff needs to go?
not gametime BHGP>>>>>>gametime BHGP
by The Final Gun on Dec 29, 2010 8:49 AM CST up reply actions
Well, to be fair, Bird Cult has been calling for Vandenberg to play since the Minnesota loss.
So at least it wasn’t some off-the-wall kneejerk reaction that doesn’t make a damn bit of sense.
by The Mexican't on Dec 29, 2010 9:29 AM CST up reply actions
I make no bones about that
I’m not a QB loyalty guy. I think that its a glaring weakness to not consider using a different QB when the main guy is stinking up the place. If we are going to lose because our heads are up our butts anyway, you might as well get the backup reps.
I don’t hate Ricky, he’s been a good QB for us. But it wouldn’t have hurt to have TRIED Vandenberg in a couple of those losses.
Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more cowbell!!
by The Bird Cult on Dec 29, 2010 9:51 AM CST up reply actions
Not that part
But certainly shared a lot of his frustrations.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Anyone else think Ferentz looked a little choked up after Coker's 62 yard touchdown? Proud papa?
Also, the line judge biffs it as Coker strolls into the endzone.
"They're not people, James Ingram. They're Jimmy Buffett fans."
After that run
I was thinking “C’mon Kirk, fucking SMILE, show a little emotion or something.” Cool and level headed is great but it’s OK to react like a somewhat normal human being, too.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
come on dad!
just love me!
fightin for president stanzi's fightin americanzis since his first 13 yard charge - syracuse '07
by metcalfrhymeswithblodbath on Dec 29, 2010 9:18 AM CST up reply actions
Wasn't at a computer for the in-game live thread
so making my way through part II. Am at a comment that seems particularly apt, given how this game turned out. At 12:18 EST, the Bird Cult wrote the following:
We are going to lose this by at least 14
Maybe a good old fashioned thumping will FINALLY wake Ferentz up. And maybe some reporters will have the stones to finally ask the tough question at the presser.The ironic part is, he was absolutely right. Iowa won, but we won by some fluke plays. And while those fluke plays may slightly balance the season’s karmic scales, the simple fact remains that Iowa probably should have lost this game. And lost this game in the same way as we lost the other 5 (or 6) games this season: a failure to get points when we could and an inability to stop an opposing offense in the 4th quarter.
Tonight was a great win, one we desperately needed. And there were some truly great individual performances (Coke, Hyde) that will get all the praise (and probably more) than they deserve. And I won’t take a single thing away from either. But the fact remains that the coaching staff was incredibly slow to make OBVIOUS changes, and to squander amazing peformances by some of their players. I fear that tonight’s win only allows the coaching staff to avoid the hard questions.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
That's part of what his apology is about earlier in this thread.
Keep reading, it gets worse (myself included snapping at people) before it gets better.
I don't think he's wrong
And I think tonight’s win will tend to gloss over a number of structural problems in the program. Was the win great? Yes. And I was cheering like a madman, just like any fan. And some of the criticism of the staff/players is overblown and/or misplaced. But that doesn’t change the fact that, in my opinion, we’ve become a tired, stagnant team on both sides of the ball. We have the talent/ability to win 1-2 we shouldn’t, but we’ll always be prone to dropping 2-3 we have no business losing, until some changes (not fundamental or even that major) are made. And, unfortunately, I believe that the bowl win tonight just punts that reckoning down the line a bit.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Nice of you to say all that stuff. I still feel like a real turd tho. :-p
I get too emotional during these things. I did play some amazing shit on gueetar tonight tho.
Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more cowbell!!
by The Bird Cult on Dec 29, 2010 3:11 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not all the way through the thread
so if you go full-retard later on, we’ll both look stupid. But I generally think things need a seriously evaluation.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Glad you played a good gig tonight
I also get pretty emotional during live threads, I just tend to go the other way and keep a (maybe too) optimistic outlook until the clock reads 00:00. Live threads are just a field of emotional landmines.
I recorded my part of the set tonight
On Tuesdays nights, Capitol Garage – a downtown bar/restaurant – has an open jazz jam session that starts at 9:00. The house band typically plays the first hour, then its open. I usually get to play 2-3 songs depending on how many guitar players show up. Its totally random as to how “good” the group is when you sit in, because it all depends on who shows up.
I’ve been going nearly every Tuesday since Christmas 2008… its a lot of fun. I don’t get much stuff out of it other than free Diet Coke out of the bar when I play. I have been the house band guitarist one night when the regular guy didn’t show, but I’m totally fine with getting to play 2-3 tunes.
I found out about the win after I finished my set, looked at my phone, and my BFF in DSM had txted me. ESPN was on in the bar but the game was over by the time I got there.
Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more cowbell!!
by The Bird Cult on Dec 29, 2010 3:41 AM CST up reply actions
Anyway, I'm listening to it now, and it sounds darn good for a jam
I don’t just judge it by how “good my solos were” – I also listen to how well I comped (played chords) and backed up the other soloists and fit in with the drummer and bass player. It also helped tonight that the house guitarist brought his Roland Jazz Chorus 120 amp – I should have bought one of those rather than the Fender Deluxe I have. I crank the Chorus on with his 120 and its a great sounding jazz/jazz fusion amp (I’m playing a Fender Jazzmaster solid body today – if you’ve seen Sonic Youth play, you know what a Jazzmaster is, because that’s what they play).
Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more cowbell!!
by The Bird Cult on Dec 29, 2010 3:47 AM CST up reply actions
Saw Sonic Youth at Lollapalooza in like 94'
And they kill it. They’ve always been awesome.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Dec 29, 2010 10:09 AM CST up reply actions
Saw them open for R.E.M.
At Target Center. Monster Tour. Really wanted to like them more, but they just didn’t have it that night.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Dec 29, 2010 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
That's why You Tube is kind of cool, really
You see a lot of clips up of bands on nights when they play well, and others when they don’t. As a musician, I can tell you the bottled lightning isn’t nearly as easy to come by as people think it is.
Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more cowbell!!
by The Bird Cult on Dec 29, 2010 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
I was at that concert.
And I agree. They were just OK.
I was actually underwhelmed by R.E.M. that night too. I love R.E.M., but I was hoping their set list would have more of the old stuff on it. Monster is a so-so album and I think they played nearly every track from it, while playing very little from albums such as Document, Life’s Rich Paegent and Green. Although it’s been 15 years so my memory could be off. I was also not getting along very well with my girlfriend at the time and wanted to be there with almost anyone else. That didn’t help either.
by DonnyDonovan on Dec 29, 2010 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
Crap, what a memory
Kinda felt the same way. Loved the R.E.M. light show, as I recall. I had to sit behind a guy doing this wiggly booty dance the whole time. Mr. Happy Pants gave me a look when I yelled “Play some Skynard, dude,” at the end of Sonic Youth’s set.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Dec 29, 2010 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
Speaking of Skynyrd
My 7 year old niece got Rock Band 3 for xmas. You can sing along with that one. Anyway, she say Freebird on the list and wanted to do it, so we fired it up and she sang the whole thing. Didn’t miss a word. We’re all sitting there going “where did you learn Freebird, you’re 7” and her reply was just “Everybody knows Freebird. It’s awesome”. I love that kid.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Thumbs awesome
Awesome story. Although that brings us BACK to jam, because the trumpet player that leads the house band will often quip, when people are asking what we should play “Freebird? Anyone know Freebird?” ;)
Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more cowbell!!
by The Bird Cult on Dec 29, 2010 5:52 PM CST up reply actions
So was 2009 just a fluke?
Because the same flawed system worked pretty well with experienced, athletic linebackers last year. And really, LB health was the biggest problem with this year’s D, in my humble opinion. I don’t want to come off as being a jerk and you raise some valid points, but I’m not sure how bad the structural flaws are a year after the biggest bowl win in over half a century and after winning 3 consecutive bowls for the first time in school history.
Short answer, yes
Not everything about 2009 was a “fluke”, and some things were simply the way the ball breaks, some years you get more in your favor than others. But flaws in the system have been apparent for a number of years, and last year was more the exception to the rule, rather than the rule itself.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
The problem is that last year's D shut down the spread offenses it faced
Michigan, 21 offensive points (well below their average). Indiana, one sccoring drive of over 35 yards. Northwestern, no touchdowns on drives that didn’t start in the endzone or deep in Iowa territory. They embarassed Paul Johnson in the OB. Those aren’t indicative of a scheme that can’t cope with the spread, but I’m really curious why it didn’t work so well against the spread this year. Spievey? A&E? I honeslty don’t know.
Asterisk
I know the triple option isn’t a spread, but still a different look than the pro-style Iowa is built to defend.
And look how great it worked for Ga Tech this year
6-6 they finished. The ACC is tied with the Big East and parts of the Big 12 as being a big ass joke.
Right now, part of the Pac 10, SEC, and if the Big 10 does decently the rest of the bowl season, are the best conferences.
Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more cowbell!!
by The Bird Cult on Dec 29, 2010 4:01 AM CST up reply actions
Yes, not so good for them this year
But remember last year when they were an “unstoppable force”? They lost their one WR who cold stretch the field and their best defensive players. It’s still a scheme that was allegedly going to hurt the bend don’t break defense.
Last year's GT team is a lot different, though.
They only lost their QB, RB, top WR and had at least two defensive players (Morgan and Burnett, maybe others) get drafted. So to use the 2010 Georgia Tech team to demonstrate how bad the 2009 team was doesn’t really seem fair.
by Abbas_Cincinnatus on Dec 29, 2010 8:15 AM CST up reply actions
Pac 10?
Not sure how many bowl teams they had, but going into the last weekend of the season, they only had 3 eligible (4 if you count USC). Pac 10 was woefully overrated this year. That said, I hope (and think) Oregon beats Auburn
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
They have four teams, total.
Oregon, Stanford, Washington, and Arizona. I think everyone but Stanford is an underdog.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
It only worked because we had two NFL LB's
We’re not gonna have that every year thus the spread will continue to torch us until we play dime and nickel with CORRECT PERSONNEL
"I don't believe in quotes" - Karl Klug
The problem this year was that Iowa's defense was stuck between the proverbial rock and a hard place.
They didn’t have good enough linebackers to run a base 4-3 against most teams and still be successful (especially after Nielsen and Tarp went down), but they also didn’t have enough good safeties and corners to run a lot of nickel or dime coverage. I mean, unless you really wanted to see more Nick Nielsen, Tanner Miller, Greg Castillo, or Willie Lowe out there… I guess seeing them flail after receivers would have been a change of pace from seeing Johnson or Hunter or Morris do it. There wasn’t a lot of depth on defense this year — after Tarp and Nielsen went down we had a few good defensive linemen, a couple pretty good/good corners, and a pair of good safeties… and that’s about it. Hopefully recruiting + development improves that situation in the near-ish future.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
It's almost comical how forgotten Jordan Bernstein is.
I flipped my lid when I saw him in there last night. And then to see him make acouple good plays (including the key block in the int-td, which I was really afraid was gonna get flagged, but it didn’t).
I’d love to see more of him next year.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Dec 29, 2010 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
I was thinking the same thing
He certainly has been a disappointment thus far, but I was happy to see him in there and getting an opportunity to contribute. I’m hoping that means we will see more of him next year.
When I grow up I wanna be like Koeppel Knievel
When I saw him in there
I was wondering what other injuries had hit. He did play quite well. I have to wonder what’s been holding him back (I know he’s been injured a bit, but there has to be something else).
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
If Prater comes back
Might make more sense to use Bernstine as a safety and a safety/CB hybrid in nickel and dime packages.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
He's been incredibly injury-prone
which may doom his career at Iowa to “what might have been” territory and a “bust” label. But you gotta love the kid when he is in the game, he LOVES to hit (I always go back to the punt coverage in 2008 Minny game for the example).
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I was thinking about that last night
we keep pointing to Georgia Tech, but really, that’s a not a spread offense. It’s an old school triple option, and we felt good going in due to Norm knowing KNOWING how it could be stopped.
As long as Northwestern keeps beating us with a short passing game and Indiana keeps making us sweat, I’ll have my doubts about our D.
God, I hate typing that.
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
by chitownhawkeye on Dec 29, 2010 9:09 AM CST up reply actions
Again, I'm far more troubled by the fact that our offense scored a COMBINED 35 points against those teams.
That’s unacceptable.
The defense allowed 21 and 13 (20 if Belcher makes that catch he ought to make), which is hardly crippling.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I attribute that to red zone issues
As I said before, our seeming inability punch in TDs in short yardage RZ situations this year – settling for FGs – cost us games. For some stupid reason we had no problem scoring from OUTSIDE the RZ on several occasions, but far too many times we ended up with a FG when a TD would’ve sealed the deal.
We moved the ball. We just didn’t seal the deal. If those drives had ended with TDs there wouldn’t be so much KOK hate.
Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more cowbell!!
by The Bird Cult on Dec 29, 2010 9:53 AM CST up reply actions
You're right
I tend to focus on being frustrated with the defense for no good reason. I don’t understand our inability to put away weaker teams offensively
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
by chitownhawkeye on Dec 29, 2010 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
I'd be concerned if I saw some sort of trend on defenses.
Iowa’s never been great on offense. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t. KOK forever, lolz.
I guess I’ve already accepted that the offense will suck with occasional years of very goodness (never brilliance). I’m not ready to that yet for the defense.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I did notice
In the second half Bernstein had a hell of a tackle (and was in the game!?!) and Castillo was leading Hyde into the endzone on the interception. We seemed to be going with guys that hadn’t played in a while and I didn’t have time to figure out if we swapped linebackers for Bernstein/Castillo or if we were just that gassed that we were rotating them in?
You can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning
by The Bacon Explosion on Dec 29, 2010 9:37 AM CST up reply actions
All of them were in.
On Hyde’s pick six Prater, Hyde, Castillo and Berstein were all in the game. We must have went dime for that play.
Wow.
I saw Castillo at the end of that return and wondered if JB was in at safety for the injured Greenwood, or what was going on.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Dec 29, 2010 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
I agree.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I think they will answer the hard questions -- after a fashion.
Despite what Ferentz might have said in a few pressers, I’m pretty damn sure he’s disappointed with this season. (It will be more telling to see what he says in some of the season wrap-up pressers, since that’s typically where he’s been more critical and expressed disappointment in the past.) He’s not stupid and he knows this team had an opportunity to do far more than they did.
So I’m sure they’ll take a look at this season and try to figure out what went wrong – and how to fix it. I’m sure there won’t be wholesale changes (no spread offense for us) and there probably doesn’t need to be. Some key tweaks (a more flexible approach to the defense, less predictable playcalling, better use of personnel) would go a long way in fixing things. We’ll see if that’s good enough next year.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I hope you're right
And, for the record, the changes you mention in the second paragraph are exactly the same ones I think we need, and are the only we are likely to see. Radical changes are unneeded, but serious tweeks and new ways of looking at things are necessary.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I think they need to adjust some recruiting philosophies on defense.
Stoops said something similar in the open thread and he’s definitely got a point. Whether we like the spread offense or not, it’s not going away (and it’s only going to be, um, spreading throughout the Big Ten based on recent trends) so we need to get better personnel to defend it. That means recruiting fewer guys like Troy Johnson and more guys like Christian Kirksey or Lance Tillison or David Cato. We need more LB/S hybrid types. I think that may also lead to a greater willingness to be flexible on defense. We’ve flashed 3-4 defenses at times (even tonight) and even a little 4-2-5, but I think one of the reasons we might be more nervous to run those defenses is that we don’t have enough personnel to run them effectively. Hell, we need more good safeties and corners, period. It’s tough to run much nickel if you have to throw Tanner Miller or Greg Castillo out there. (And I don’t mean to throw them under the bus necessarily — they’re both young and could certainly get better — see: Greenwood and Fletcher.) Bernstine made a nice tackle late in the game; I think he would have seen a fair amount of time this year if he’d been healthier. We need to recruit better (which I think we’ve been doing generally – I like a lot of the guys we landed last year and are theoretically going to land this year) and, perhaps even more importantly, we need to RETAIN THEM. How much would it have helped to be able to slot in guys like Cato or Diauntae Morrow? (Of course, going along with that we need to see the coaches be more willing to ACTUALLY PLAY THEM. They’ve gotten better about playing freshmen and sophomores, but it’s still a work-in-progress.)
In short, I think the problems on defense are easier to fix than the ones on offense. Norm is stubborn, but not quite as unwilling to change or experiment as he gets stereotyped as being and, frankly, the defense is good at a base level — very good, in fact. Even against those hated spread offenses it’s pretty good — we bleed yards, but rarely a ton of points (even to the dreaded jNW attack). (Note: tonight was a case where it was definitely not “pretty good” — it got flat-out shredded and bailed out by a few bad decisions by Gabbert and a lucky break or two.)
I remain far more concerned with the offense and still assign more blame in the November implosion to the offense’s disappearing act. The defense’s fourth quarter collapses were disappointing and problematic but they really shouldn’t have been an issue if the offense had taken care of business earlier in the game. And unfortunately an underperforming offense is something we’ve been dealing with (outside of a few rare exceptions) for a very, very long time at Iowa.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Failure to convert TDs in the red zone cost us at least 2 games IMHO
IU would have never been in a position to win the game if we’d gotten TDs instead of FGs on two possessions where we were point blank range at the endzone.
One thing I’ve noticed about KOK’s offenses, is that we seem to do better scoring TDs when we aren’t so close to the red zone – i.e., long passes or runs. It just seems like we go into total retard mode inside the 10.
There’s no reason with a big back like Coker that we shouldn’t be able to shove that goddamn ball into the endzone inside the 10 every time without having to throw the ball, miss the throws, and then settle for 3 pts.
We win big at IU if we get those TDs. And we would’ve won at jNWU with a TD instead of a FG. I agree totally with you that not scoring points is putting more pressure on our defense than it needs to deal with, and this season it really showed up.
The only games on the schedule that we probably would’ve still lost (due to other breakdowns) even if the offense had played better would have been Arizona and tOSU. Hell, we would’ve beaten Wisconsin if we’d just scored a TD instead of a FG. I’m totally convinced of that.
I think this team really needs to work on close-in redzone offense in the offseason and we need to show some different looks down inside the 10, and that will go a long ways towards making close games unclose games.
Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more cowbell!!
by The Bird Cult on Dec 29, 2010 3:58 AM CST up reply actions
Heck
We win at jNW, and at home against UW and OSU with one more sustained 4th quarter drive to bleed the clock.
Exactly. And they should have used Coker more in those games
It isn’t like what he did last night was a surprise. He’s not a creator type running back (like Barry Sanders, who could literally make a TD out of nothing with shit blocking), but if he gets a good hole, he is going to get at least five yards. I’ll take that all night, along with the highlight reels of teeth jarring attempts to bring him down.
Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more cowbell!!
by The Bird Cult on Dec 29, 2010 9:11 AM CST up reply actions
How's that hindsight working out?
Robinson has proven on more than one ocassion that this was his team before he was suspended. To demand that a true frosh play when the team’s RB was far and away the best offensive player on the team is stupid. It’s almost as stupid as demanding that the senior QB playing in his final bowl game sit this one out so that his understudy could get some game reps.
by The Mexican't on Dec 29, 2010 9:33 AM CST up reply actions
You make good points
But I freely admit I get bent out of shape when we go into retard mode in games. And Robinson’s career at Iowa has likely gone completely up in smoke… entirely self-inflicted. (Yeah, I’m highjacking the point).
To be totally honest, I can’t see how they can let him back on the team regardless of how his legal issues with the pot arrest pan out. He may need to a Benny Sapp – transfer to an easier school, like UNI, where he can play at a high level (oh, great pun) and get a do-over on life and academics.
We are getting beaten on in the sports press about the “drug problem”. Whether its real or not, its a distraction either way, and there are kids out there that will take those schollys and stay out of trouble.
The concussions were not Robinson’s fault – hazard of the game (although the 2nd one was partially the fault of the coaching staff, IMHO, keeping him in the game at a point the game was over and nothing was to be gained with his injury).
Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more cowbell!!
by The Bird Cult on Dec 29, 2010 9:45 AM CST up reply actions
For one, it was pretty evident, in game, of the OSU game who the better back was.
For whatever reason. Sometimes in-game adjustments are needed.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
A-Rob was never the same after the MSU concussion.
I would have liked to see a lot more Coker in the jNW and OSU games.
I also would have preferred to see Coker get some mop-up time against PSU, Michigan, and MSU (or earlier in the latter game).
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Another weakness
They have kept the starters in far too long into garbage time. Those backups and young ‘ens need reps so they are ready for next year. Or for when the starter gets hurt. I know players like their stats but the only one that really matters from a high level is the number of W’s.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
x1000
Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more cowbell!!
by The Bird Cult on Dec 29, 2010 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
Coker should have been in when A-Rob got concussed
For some reason, I don’t see Coker getting concussions. I see him doling them out tho.
Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more cowbell!!
by The Bird Cult on Dec 29, 2010 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
Crazy talk
You mean you should put the backups in when you’re up 30-6 in the 4th quarter? Stanzi never did come out of that game. It still blows my mind.
We never should've been up by more than 20.
Beating someone by more than 20 is mean. KOK and the first team O had to stay in there to learn how to not win by so much.
As we saw, it payed dividends later in the season as we didn’t beat ANYONE by more than 20. Hooray! We’re nice!
by KinnickNorthHawk on Dec 29, 2010 6:02 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I don't understand why Vandy or Weinke didn't at least get to hand off the ball
We were up by enough that it was extremely unlikely that Sparty would climb back into the game with the time left. The AZ and WI losses had knocked us out of the MNC, so why not at least get these backups some game time? We were going to win the game regardless at that point. I remember seeing the play where A-Rob probably got concussed and he was clearly in pain and in the “Where the fuck am I/Who the fuck am I?” mode in the huddle. Amazingly, I think he hung onto the ball the next play. No question the kid is tough, I just wish he’d apply some of the hard-assed-ness to whom he chooses to hang out with when he’s NOT on the field.
Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more cowbell!!
by The Bird Cult on Dec 31, 2010 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think anyone was suggesting Coker get the bulk of the carries
just that he should have gotten the ball a few times to spell ARob. I know I was clamoring for it. ARob, while a tough SOB, is not all that big and could have used some rest so he didn’t take such a beating.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
And when was it that Coker was given a clean bill of health?
He spent most nearly half of this season recovering with a shoulder/collarbone issue. I’d imagine he spent the next 2-3 weeks getting into game shape.
Yes Coker probably should have seen more carries against the Buckeyes, but I don’t think he was ever considered a solid option before week 8 or 9.
by The Mexican't on Dec 29, 2010 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
He was available in every loss but Zona, I'm pretty sure
And while, yes, he needed to get into “game shape,” I don’t think he needed to be in great shape to get 5-10 carries. Additionally, because it was a collarbone injury, he could still sprint, etc. as it was healing.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
I've never broken my collarbone before
But I would imagine that it’s not really something you can sprint with, dude.
"They're not people, James Ingram. They're Jimmy Buffett fans."
by SomeJerkPoster on Dec 29, 2010 5:48 PM CST up reply actions
It sucks.
It sucks really, really badly. No way could you do sprints – not for the first couple weeks while it’s healing, anyway.
So just shut your face and take a seat, 'cause after all, you're just talking meat.
by Bucketochicken on Dec 29, 2010 6:35 PM CST up reply actions
I'm aware of that
but he broke it in camp. I’m guessing about 4 weeks in he could start working up to it. And again, he only needed to be in shape to handle 5-10 carries. What was the plan if ARob got hurt? Paki? Rogers? Get one of them in there then, I don’t care. But to keep feeding the starters is asinine.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
Collarbone breaks HURT
I’ve never had one. But I have a co-worker who broke his last year about this time. He was hit on his motorcycle riding home, and not only broke his collarbone but tore up one of his knees too.
Having the broken collarbone really extended his recovery from the leg because he couldn’t put any weight on the walker because it hurt too much. When you look at how much punishment a RB’s shoulders and upper body takes in the running game, I think there’s no way you play until its healed… I don’t know how it would affect conditioning – whether running or cycling a stationary bike would be verboten until healed (any doctors here on BHGP?).
Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more cowbell!!
by The Bird Cult on Dec 31, 2010 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
Which collarbone was broken?
I’m just curious if it was on the “I just Duong’d a guy” side, or the other side?
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
by chitownhawkeye on Dec 29, 2010 7:35 PM CST up reply actions
I really, really,really
want “Duong’d” to catch on as substitute for plowing a guy over.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Definitely should have played Coker more
vs MSU before, you know, Robinson got concussed and has never been the same since.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Agree 100%
The depth at safety was non-existent. Ferentz didn’t want to play young kids back there because d-backfield positions take time to learn unlike RB.
"I don't believe in quotes" - Karl Klug
I'd say never having Tarpinian is something that really hurt.
He was an option QB/safety in high school, and I think he had the obvious athletic ability (not sure about the know-how) to be a good cover LB.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Certainly better at it than Morris
who I think we’ll be very good, but is just too young and made (understandable) rookie mistakes a lot. Also, really lost somethign once Nielsen got injured as his backups were not ready for prime time players (and I also think Nielsen was talked up a bit much by the coaching staff). I don’t know, however, if Morris will ever be as good in coverage as Angerer, but he certainly does a good job coming off the blitz.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Best I could do
Lets see how long the bandwith lasts…
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by BlackHeartOldPants on Dec 29, 2010 3:19 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
Haha, yes!
I said the exact same thing.
So just shut your face and take a seat, 'cause after all, you're just talking meat.
by Bucketochicken on Dec 29, 2010 7:16 AM CST up reply actions
I wonder how sore that guy is going to be tomorrow.
I would imagine getting run over by Coker does not feel like a happy ending massage.
Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more cowbell!!
by The Bird Cult on Dec 29, 2010 3:43 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, but one of 'em you're ashamed to tell people about
Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more cowbell!!
by The Bird Cult on Dec 29, 2010 4:05 AM CST up reply actions
Might I suggest a soundtrack
"They're not people, James Ingram. They're Jimmy Buffett fans."
by SomeJerkPoster on Dec 29, 2010 3:58 AM CST up reply actions
Ok so it's not jazz metal, technically...
but THERE’S FRENCH FUCKING HORNS.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Dec 29, 2010 9:16 AM CST up reply actions
Keep it simple
use the onomatopoeia you get from Duong
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
by chitownhawkeye on Dec 29, 2010 9:13 AM CST up reply actions
Man...that's
some good Duong right there.
by DowntownmplsHAWK on Dec 29, 2010 8:59 AM CST up reply actions
Terrific.
You beat HFMR to it.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Dec 29, 2010 9:11 AM CST up reply actions
Good victory fellas, thanks for putting those bastards in their place.
Cant wait till we (Nebraska) play you guys next year!
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We all have the right to our own opinions, its just that mine are right.
My quest for soberiety is an ongoing struggle.
I'm no coach
But I do play one on message boards. My thoughts:
Everyone calling for a change in coordinaters – be careful what you ask for. Our base schemes are very solid. When working well the systems work. Sometimes looking like the best program in the country. Problem is our predictability. Even a fuckstick like Millen knows what we are going to do and when we are going to do it.
I think the pass/run ratio needs to be tilted a little more towards passing. Especially early in the games. We wouldn’t be the first program to use the pass to set up the run. Imagine what Coker and what projects to be an outstanding line could do if safeties and LBs had to worry about our recievers doing crossing routes.
On defense. Bring the corners up just a couple of yards, please! And sprinkle in some blitzs more than we have in the past.
Lastly, I wouldn’t underestimate the effect that smoking a little blaze had on this team. I smoked a barn full of the stuff when I was young. So far be it from me to cast stones. But I have a hazy memory of not being real focused in those years. Misplaced priorities are one of the first casualties of someone who smokes the stuff at that age. As people get older they either stop smoking or learn how to become functional users. How many kids on this team were (are) using? Going out to blow a fatty before film sessions and then mindlessly chillin’ through the entire film break down, perhaps.
So I guess we either make them stop getting high or get a team of small town radio DJs in to camp to teach these kids how and when to smoke.
How would you like your steak done, Mr Sweater Vest?
by FiveSecondRuleChef on Dec 29, 2010 5:45 AM CST reply actions
One last thing....
I wish the press would clarify when they speak of Iowa’s drug scandels. It’s being mentioned everytime the team is being profiled. Makes it sound like we are running a cartel out of the training room instead of a few kids doing what a few kids do. It can’t help recruiting.
How would you like your steak done, Mr Sweater Vest?
by FiveSecondRuleChef on Dec 29, 2010 5:48 AM CST up reply actions
As long as those DJs leave the fucking Boston records at home I'm fine with that.
Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more cowbell!!
by The Bird Cult on Dec 29, 2010 9:12 AM CST up reply actions
Thats the way the ball bounces
i got to beleive one of the few pices of karma
we got this year
was the third down call last night
if we cover the wiscy punt
and don’t let the trinket dealer pryor pick up that 4th,,,
then we are all shitting in tall Xl64
doesnt excuse KOK ,,, with Tom Wolfe apologies
Lookup "idiot" in the Dictionary. Leaders and Legends from the Lamely is the def
too early,, 4th down call last night
my bad
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What a game!
I know most of the commenters here hate my buckeyes, but I found myself not only pulling for Iowa but openly cheering for them last night. Coker is a beast and I don’t look forward to seeing him for 3 more years. Iowa always seems to be the team that has the gritty good wins for the Big Ten to hold up as an example that a running game and tough defense can win. Great win last night.
thanks, man.
and while I certainly don’t like your team, I very much hope they will take care of Arkansas.
by The Final Gun on Dec 29, 2010 8:58 AM CST up reply actions
I don't hate the Buckeyes. I hate that you guys win so much at our expense
:)
We’ll be happy to take some of those wins off of your hands, like say for the next 50-60 years. That would be fair.
Thanks for the props. Good luck against Arkansas. Do the conference proud.
Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more cowbell!!
by The Bird Cult on Dec 29, 2010 9:14 AM CST up reply actions
i would like you more
if you didnt spit on me when i go to the shoe or the schott
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Althoguh Stanzi's first three quarters were less than great, I think another hugely critical play for us
momentum-wise was our third play from scrimmage where he converted third and (more than?) ten to McNuutt to keep the eventual TD drive alive. I just feel like it was hugely critical to start the game off right, or we were risking another egg-laying.
Agreed.
His first and last passes were nice (though the first was obviously much more difficult and more impressive). Some of the passes in-between — not so much.
And I wholeheartedly agree that the opening drive was immense. Iowa really need to make something good happen there to ward off the bad mojo from the November collapse and the off-field shitshow and they did just that. One great pass and then a heaping helping of Coker.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
What I had trouble understanding is why Stanzi felt the need to stare down / lock-on to receivers.
The INT that was thrown towards McNutt was just a stubborn QB making a boneheaded throw. The CB never bit on the pump and that ball had no business being thrown. I’d bet dollars to donuts that he had someone underneath.
The only other WTF throw I can recall distinctly is the throw to PCJr that should have been intercepted. He never even bothered to look away from Chaney.
We all know that he’s capable of playing at a high level (the first throw was beautiful AND he opened up McNutt by looking off the safety), but he had a massive brainfart last night.
by The Mexican't on Dec 29, 2010 9:42 AM CST up reply actions
Rick's biggest weakness all career has been his unwillingness to throw it away
I think that’s driven me more crazy than anything – Ricky is always pushing to make a play. Sometimes, the best play is to throw the damn ball out of bounds 10 yards over everyone’s head. I think he has the tools to be a good NFL QB, but he’s got to learn to throw the ball away or he’s going to be a clipboard guy for a few seasons before having to make a real living like the rest of us.
This is why I like Vandy better. The little I’ve seen, yes, he threw picks in difficult game situations, but he’s also got the arm strength to THROW IT AWAY and I saw him do it more than once when he was playing.
Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more cowbell!!
by The Bird Cult on Dec 29, 2010 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
Stanzi was a lot better at that this year
And Vandy had a number of picks (and should-have been picks) last year in his playing where he didn’t throw it away and tried to make a play.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Yeah, I know, its easy to overlook the other guy's goofs too
When you’re aggravated with the primary guy. That’s why I’m not sure – although I know Bellanca is going to disagree :) – that Vandy has the starting job completely locked down after some of the comments I’ve read here. He does have some game experience vs. Wienke and Derby and a hell of an arm (I can see him much better suited to throwing those long passes across the field than Ricky) but with the speed of defenses these days being able to escape is a big plus, and I don’t get the sense than VB has serious wheels to go with that arm (of course, looking at his high school highlights he didn’t need to run against the lower level of competition, so we really don’t know how fast he is….).
Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more cowbell!!
by The Bird Cult on Dec 31, 2010 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
That's nothing new, though, sadly.
He’s always had plenty of those troubling lock-on plays. (And, yeah, there was someone — Chaney or Sandeman, I think — definitely open underneath on that McNutt INT.)
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Plus he was on his back foot for that one and a guy got to his leg right as he threw.
When I saw the loft the ball took right off his hand I immediately said “fuck” because it looked like a DBs wet dream as soon as he released it.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Dec 29, 2010 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think he trusted Coker to catch a check down.
I don’t think he even looked at him, and during both INTs Coker was WIDE open.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Dec 29, 2010 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
Missed TD pass to Herman
in the 3rd quarter (I think) was also a case of Stanzi staring down the receiver, which allowed the defense to react. Play was that quick play-action we’ve run the red zone where it’s a fake with a pass almost immediately to a a receiver dragging across the middle. Problem was that Stanzi was staring down Herman the entire time allowing the D to read the play and not bite on the play-fake. Ended up with a FG instead of six. And, to beat the personnel decision dead horse, WHY FOR HTE LOVE OF GOD WAS THE POLISH HAT NOT IN ON THAT PLAY?? Herman has had a solid year, but that play absolutely screams for a 6-5/6-6 TE with great hands and agaility. And, oh look, we have exactly that type of player on our roster. Maybe we should use him.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Reading through here, most have the same thoughts as me.
Iowa’s defensive philosophy cannot handle the hurry-up spread on a consistent basis unless your team has other-worldly cover linebackers.
Ferentz has stated, I believe, that his philosophy is to play conservative, let the opposing team have little chunks but no big plays, and wait for the opposing team to make a mistake. That finally happened last night and against Indiana, on Gabbert’s pass and Belcher’s drop. Belcher’s drop is a physical mistake and Iowa was lucky for it, but those things happen. Gabbert’s mistake was 100% mental, and if he just throws the ball away, it’s game-over, 4th-quarter loss yet again for Iowa.
The spread as being run in college football basically replies to Iowa’s defense as “okay, we’ll just try for five yard outs and ins over and over and over again. Since you’ll give them to us, great. Plus, they’ll be mostly easy passes so we’ll minimize our chances of making mistakes.”
This could, of course, be an aberration of a year. Gabbert’s a legit NFL prospect. Nick Foles, too. I don’t think the Spread will catch on everywhere, and I think when you’re dealing with 17—24 year olds, counting on the other team to make mistakes is a decent strategy, but I, like others, would like to see some sort of acknowledgment (doesn’t have to be explicit, maybe change in recruiting, change in actual on-field play) that shows that the coaches recognize this and will do something about it.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Dec 29, 2010 9:07 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I think perhaps we may also need a change in how we practice during the season
I know that in the heat of a game or the suckyverse of the afterloss glow, its easy to get really emotional and vent on the boards (which is why we have venting threads), but I know its stupid to post for regime change… but I don’t think anyone wants regime change (in the daylight of a lucky win) but what we’d like to see is some flexibility and minor adjustments during games and some adjustments to how we recruit – and, to counter the spread, I think we need some adjustments to how we practice.
There’s no question in my mind that regardless of the outcome of the MNC, a lot of teams are going to adopt Oregon’s approach to game tempo, regardless of the personnel they have and whether they can really “run the spread” or not. Part of our issue on defense IS our base scheme and as much as its surely going to pain KF, we have to start using the dime and nickel and getting some players/athletes that can fit our developmental system to run it. I don’t see that as being that big of an issue as we have a track record of recruiting athletes that fill a variety of positions on the field.
But what we CAN do, in the meantime, is adopt Oregon’s style of practice, particularly on defense. I think a portion of every practice should be focused on simulating the no huddle, because until we can show that we are going to shut that fucking style of play down, everyone is going to throw on us for 300-400+ next year and in the years after, game after game. Bend don’t break is great against pro-style teams, but against the spread we can’t hope to hope them to field goals and then go out and grind out 80+ yard TD drives consistently. Not with the conservative offensive philosophy that KF seems to love.
But at least if the defense is better conditioned to deal with high tempo offenses, we’ve got a better change of fucking up those offenses execution if our defense is in better game shape.
Ha, Bellanca, I posted this before I read what you posted below.
Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more cowbell!!
by The Bird Cult on Dec 29, 2010 9:23 AM CST up reply actions
I agree. I made a similar statement about recruiting in Jacobi's grade thread.
The team was in great conidtion last year, and even had a motto for it. Where did that go? They didn’t seem to have much greater depth on the D-Line last year than this year? Did they get complacent in off-season work outs? What happened?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Some of it is luck, whether we like that or not
One of the reasons I think KF is so conservative is he understands, perhaps, just what a role luck does play in winning sometimes, so he tries not to have the team do things that bring the bad luck monkey onto our backs.
Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more cowbell!!
by The Bird Cult on Dec 29, 2010 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
Our secondary made QBs think longer
which gave our D Line time to operate.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Dec 29, 2010 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
Disagree.
Belcher dropped the pass because it was thrown behind him due to the pressure that the Man-Pursa was getting in the backfield (possibly catchable, but with the zip it had on it who knows).
Gabbert made the mistake because he had Clayborn coming to kill him, and he knew it.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Dec 29, 2010 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
Clayborn was jogging along about 5 yds from him.
One of the most frustrating yet awesome things about Clayborn is his ability to play directly in between two spots. He doesn’t make the decision; he forces the other to do so. Option, screens, whatever. It’s why he’s so good. But it also led to him not putting pressure on the QB.
Clayborn was literally 5 yds off and didn’t commit to attack Gabbert until Gabbert coked his arm back to throw:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YM4L8WQeNMo&feature=player_embedded
Gabbert could have thrown that ball away at any point during a good 2 seconds (an eternity in these situations) without so much as even a sniff from Clayborn.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I think the issue with the spread is not so much the scheme but what happens when these offenses go up-tempo.
This is how Oregon/Malzahn obliterate people: no-huddle, 85 plays, no time to substitute for down and distance, or rest.
I think this fast-break tempo is what DC’s have to figure out this year.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
At least most DC's actually change packages.
Sure, when we have the linebacking corp. like the Greenway-Hodge/Angerer-Edds years, we don’t have to switch it up. That’s when our system is working. But those guys are diamonds in the rough, and throwing out linebackers with even moderately acceptable coverage skills is still playing with fire. Last night demonstrated that again.
I think more college teams need to study what Baltimore and the Jets do defensively… that is using extremely disguised blitzing schemes and switching up coverage packages every few possessions.
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by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Dec 29, 2010 9:28 AM CST up reply actions
Pro Teams
have a level of athlete at backup that 99% of college teams only dream of. Those players are also a lot more experienced, so they don’t need to practice what are really somewhat basic skills, and not hamstrung by NCAA rules about how much time they can spend practicing while pretending to be a student.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Yeah, I know.
I wasn’t trying to suggest that college teams need to aspire to be like NFL teams in terms of depth or ability. Just saying that mixing up packages and using unorthodox coverage and blitzing schemes to change the look (like the Ravens and Jets do) is probably a good idea for college teams going forward.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Dec 29, 2010 9:59 AM CST up reply actions
Recruit big, slow-ish safeties w/ a mean streak.
They won’t get recruited by the best schools because they’re not prototypical safeties. Put 20 lbs on them. They’ll still be better coverers than a traditional high school linebacker.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
It might
But if we’re going to see more teams with offenses like Missouri and jNW (and, barring a sea change in offensive philosophy) than offenses like Wisconsin, it probably makes sense to prepare more to defend against that type of offense.
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You can't do this and play in the upper midwest against Nebraska, Minnesota, Wisconsin, OSU.
We’ll have to have some flexibility of package, I guess, to play the new-era teams.
Frankly, I think the real problem this year was that the D-line was better last year, and the linebackers this year were top-heavy, and then hurt.
And we have to remember, that for 55 minutes we were better than everyone we played; and that had our offense taken over in its last drives, the last 5 minutes wouldn’t have been so miserable. This D played at a high statistical level, and it was game management and closing skill that generated the losses, not the scheme. Five losses by 18 cumulative points does not make a scheme obsolete. These guys just did not have the fire when it was necessary. It’s a tough game.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
You haven't seen Nebraska's recent offense.
They are not a power run game by any stretch. They’re already Oregon when Martinez is healthy. and Minnesota, meh. I’d like to think that 7 out of ten times the Hawkeyes will have better personnel than them. Wisconsin, OSU. I don’t know.
Besides, I’m only talking about the WLB that does the vast majority of covering WR’s anyway. You still keep your MLB’s that cover TE’s Your Sam’s that do the same. But instead of waiting for AJ Edds or Chad Greenway to come around every five or ten years, you sacrifice 20 lbs for outstanding speed. I don’t see how that vastly changes Iowa’s run defense.
I disagree about the scheme, too. Having been a D-lineman in college football, it is vastly harder to have to try and penetrate and create a pass rush or stops in the back field than just eat up blockers. A lot more energy. If you count on 4 or 5 d-lineman to continually penetrate the back field on both running and passing plays, you’re going to wear them out.
The Spread does to that scheme what “pounding the rock” did to old football. In the latter, you used your big offensive lineman and biggish backs to constantly get to the second and third levels and where down LB’s and Safeties. It might not look like much the first 3 quarters, but the goal is that in the third, they’ll be worn down. The former induces the d-linemen to wear themselves out. It might not look like much the first 3 quarters (although it did, it just didn’t result in pts last night), but if you’re not subbing for them or helping them with blitzes, they’ll be worn down. At the that point, the hope/goal by the o-cocrdinator is that the fleet-footed-ish QB can now take 5 seconds or so to disect the defense.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Thanks. But I have seen them play, and Nebraska
will always have meat on the hoof on both lines. You don’t play Nebraska successfully if you can’t muscle the LOS. Nebraska since Devaney has always been an option/QB run school, other than the hiatus with Calloway, so at the moment it’s back to the future. Oregon is an extension of Osborne, Pellini is not an acolyte of Kelly.
In regard to MInnesota, I suggest that we underrate Kill at our own risk. They’re going to come out of the box with fundamentally-sound, midwestern line play — and a multiple offense. We abjure the very idea of fooling people. I disagree with just about everything you say.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
There is a big difference between
the Nebraska offenses of old and the current one. Yes back in the 80’s and 90’s it was power option offense where we basically outmuscled and wore down opponents. Our offensive line is built to do that again, but in a different style. We are still run oriented, but now we use speed and spacing to force the defenses to cover more ground.
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by nateforchiefs on Dec 29, 2010 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks.
You’re new here and that’s very pedagogical and all, and I didn’t realize that “the Nebraska offenses of old and the current one” are different, so thanks a ton!
Of course, they’re not different at all in respect of getting numbers at the point of attack by utilizing the QB as a primary carrier, but I’m sure that’s obvious to you.
And I’m sure it’s obvious to you that Osborne’s backfields were just as fast, if not faster, than what Nebraska puts on the field now.
If your point is that Nebraska is going to school the Big Ten with post-modern finesse-based O-Line play, and therefore that I am mistaken that Pellini cares about playing physical football at the point of attack, all I can say is … I hope you’re right!
We play tackle football, most of the time.
The difference being that he used it properly.
As opposed to using it to replace a period.
by The Mexican't on Dec 29, 2010 10:49 PM CST up reply actions
Nebraska's line this year is nothing compared to where it's been in the past.
You don’t play Nebraska successfully if you can’t muscle the LOS
I’m not sure why you say that since I never mentioned that Iowa shouldn’t try to out-muscle opponents. It seems as you’re just trying to create a straw man to argue against. Since you offer no arguments as to why you disagree with “everything” I say, I guess I can’t argue whatever it is you disagree with.
I’ll accept your points of Minnesota as I don’t know much about Kill. I don’t know why you mention Pellini as not being an acolyte of Kelly since he has had very little to do with Nebraska’s offense. He inherited the offensive coordinator of Callahan, Shawn Watson.There is great concern in Nebraska-land about what the actual offensive identity is.
I guess we’ll just have to disagree that the shotgun-spread run-option is the same as the triple-option. You think it is. I feel it’s pretty clearly not.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Flexibility seems to be the key
Having the personnel to run nickel against the spread teams like NW and run a base 4-3 against the teams that feature a more pro-style offense.
I just look at Michigan’s 3-3-5 defense that they ran this year, and think that running a finesse defense in the Big 10 is a huge mistake.
Michigan State, Wisconsin, Ohio State, Illinois, Minnesota (probably based on Kill’s previous stops), Penn State all run out of a lot of power formations.
Hell, even a team like Michigan runs a lot of power plays out of their spread formation with traps and isos.
Agreed that flexibility is important.
I’m certainly not advocating a switch to the 3-3-5, nor an abandonment of the base 4-3. But getting more hybrid LB/S guys would certainly be helpful, if only to allow us to more successfully employ occasional 3-4, 4-2-5, and nickel looks.
Or we could just try and clone guys like Greenway, Edds, and Angerer.
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The problem with this
is the assumption that the hybrid LB/S guys would be better in coverage. It’s important to remember that many high school safeties (or LB’s for that matter) aren’t required to do much man-to-man coverage. So while they may be faster, it doesn’t ensure the result will be any better (see: Stevie Brown).
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Obviously it doesn't
Which is why one doesn’t say, “Go get any Safety off the street.” One evaluates, recruits, etc.
My point which I’m trying to make is that, I thin there are a lot more Lavonte Davids and Jeff Tarpinians* out there than AJ Edds or Chad Greenways. Maybe that’s true, maybe it’s not. But that’s my belief.
*sorry for using these same guys over and over, but they’re my best idea of what I’m talking about.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I get what you're saying
but I’m not sure it’s true. I think, while Tarp has been mentioned a lot, he hasn’t shown much (partly due to injury). And like I said, even with the increase in spread offenses at the high school level, most schools will just put in more DBs, rather than have their LBs cover. Norm has said in the past, he likes to have his 11 best out tacklers out there, that’s why he’s hesitant to take LBs off the field. I think more than anything they just like to have the LBs play the percentages when in coverage, and try to take away the routes most common in those situations.
*Also, just nit-picking – Edds played strongside.
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There's gotta be some of their DNA lying around. Great idea.
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by The Bird Cult on Dec 29, 2010 6:00 PM CST up reply actions
Some evidence that the coachign staff is aware
of and trying to do this is evidenced by the approximate 3,491 TEs/LBs we’ve recruited this year and last year. Even a number of the high school players we took who came in as safeties are projected at LB, so there is evidence that the coaches are thinking the same thing (should be noted that Edds was one of the top high school TEs before switching to LB almost immediately).
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Edds would have been a fantastic tight end, I think.
Luckily, he was also a very good linebacker.
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I believe he was a stand out TE in high school
but the coaches only gave him about 6 months of TE practice once he hit Iowa City.
by The Mexican't on Dec 30, 2010 6:05 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah.
There was an immediate need for linebackers.
Not so much at TE, where we had Chandler, Moeaki, and Myers at that point, I believe.
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One point of optimism
Edds had his struggles in pass coverage early on as well and certainly developed into an amazing cover-LB. After all, it was Edds who was covering Blythe from ISU on the deep pass in 2007 that set up the FG. First image of Edds as a player is him flailing helplessly and hopelessly after a WR. Fortunately, that was about the only time that ever happened to him.
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I agree, and I'm sorry to have poorly explained what I meant.
You don’t need to change the scheme by any large part (although, a few more blitzes would be nice). A healthy Tarpinian makes a big difference. Lavonte David of Nebraska at Will all year makes a HUGE difference.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Here's a picture
Here’s a screen capture of a typical possession from last night just so we can all see what we’re talking about here
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I think this shows the vulnerability of a cover-2 scheme to the spread offense if your linebackers aren’t superhuman. Tarpinian is stuck covering a receiver-type tight tend, and Morris is on TJ Moe. I’m sure Morris is fast, but not faster than that guy.
I don’t think it’s a matter of getting different types of linebackers, but just making small changes, like bringing in a nickel back if the other team goes four wide receivers all game, or going man if the zone is giving up too much on easy passes. The Steelers also run a cover-2, I think, but mix in a lot more blitzes just to keep the opposing team fearful for their quarterback’s life.
by Horace E. Cow on Dec 29, 2010 1:12 PM CST up reply actions
I feel like tarp is good enough to cover a receiver...
But you’re right we need to make some changes…I think morris can cover a receiver too but against a 4wide or empty, we NEED to move to a nickel package…Johnson was getting torn apart and embarrassed in this game…we lose tarp next year and (thankfully) Johnson (sorry!) And we’re going to have to change things up a bit next year if we’re going to be worth a damn…
by bornofclay on Dec 29, 2010 1:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Whoops
Who knows if anyone is reading this, but I just wanted to correct myself on the Steelers thing. They don’t run a cover-2, or a 4-3, so they’re not similar to Norm Parker’s scheme in any way. They are fun to watch and quite frightening, though.
by Horace E. Cow on Dec 29, 2010 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
(Your post says we are in cover-2, and that we have man-to-man matchups.)
We play tackle football, most of the time.
Iowa plays quarters, and we are not in man coverage in that screen shot.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
Hmm...
I thought we ran cover-2, honestly, but I am a novice about this stuff obviously. I based that mostly on a few articles I had read on Parker’s system, like this one. Can anyone out there settle this? Our corners seem to stay too close to the line for quarters, but I could be wrong.
I didn’t mean to suggest that we were in man coverage in that shot, rather that the offensive players that wound up in the linebacker’s zones were too fast for the LBs to make plays on. Sorry for the confusion.
by Horace E. Cow on Dec 29, 2010 4:10 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't mean to be short.
Check this out:
http://smartfootball.com/passing/attacking-coverages-in-the-passing-game
If we accept these charts, we’re not close to playing cover-2; the lb responsibilities are the tell. I think we’re playing a quarter/quarter/half thing, in principle.
I believe what is unique about this D is the role the Will plays. I don’t know another team in the country that expects to have Greenway or Edds covering slots. It really hurt Iowa when Nielsen got hurt.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
Which is why I suggest getting more a coverage safety and build him up than try to find those LBs.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Actually, in that screen shot we are in a 4-3, Cover-2 Zone, Man-up
Hence the open receiver always between Prater and Tarp or Hyde and Johnson.
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by BStylin Hawkye on Dec 30, 2010 10:20 AM CST up reply actions
Just to butt in for a second here
The problem that you described is exactly why Nebraska was getting used and abused by the offenses in the Big 12 before Bo Pelini was hired to be our coach. We tried to have our 230lb-240lb linebackers covering running backs and wide receivers and they simply were unable too. Nebraska started playing almost exclusively in the Nickel and Dime formations for the past three years to counter the speed of the offenses we were facing.
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by nateforchiefs on Dec 29, 2010 4:35 PM CST up reply actions
I see what you are saying now
Have one LB that is a bit undersized but strong in coverage. I was thinking that you wanted to move to a completely new scheme that is based on having undersized players at LB.
I also think the point about blitzes is good. It’s really hard to generate a consistent pass rush with your 4 down linemen against an up-tempo offense that uses 3-step drops and 5-yard patterns.
Also
Adaptation similar to this has already been done by the coaching staff. I remember a few years ago reading an interview with Ferentz where he stated that, as a result of the increasing number of spread teams Iowa was facing, they had been forced to change their thinking on D-line recruitment/development. Instead of just finding huge guys and making them stronger, they looked for bigger LBs who could be bulked up and put on the line. The result was guys like King/Kroul (King was the prototype for this as I recall) and Klug. yes, these guys are often giving up size to Olines that a traditional D-lineman wouldn’t, but the idea was to make them faster to handle short passes/screens and combat the lack of size with greater speed and especially agility to counter run blocking. Now, this doesn’t always, and won’t always, work, but it is a good blueprint for how to handle the OLB position and develop a solid nickel package with what is an essentially oversized safety/DB that is linebacker-like with better coverage skills.
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What's a "slowish safety"? A 4.7 guy?
Greenwood is probably a 4.6, Sash maybe a 4.55. You can get 230-pound men that run a 4.7, and move their hips sufficient to play the Greenway position. Nielsen can.
I just think we need to load up on some linebackers and running backs, and let them sort out who gets to play. It’s just a classic football club, and like in baseball, everything starts with how good you are up the middle.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
I'd say 4.6 is a slowish safety. If you find a 6'2" safety that is much faster than that, he's a first round prospect.
I don’t think Sash or Greenwood are considered “fast” by many. The fastest safeties in last year’s combines were sub-4.5. The fastest linebackers are 4.55 to 4.71 (Edds), so I don’t think you’ll find too many LB’s in high school in that range that aren’t already top recruits.
What I’m suggesting is that you find the safeties that have bigger frames with decent coverage skills that are being overlooked by the bigger programs because a) they run in that 4.6-4.7 range and they might be skinnier so other schools aren’t looking at them as future LB’s. Yes, Iowa should still obviously recruit the Coes and Morrises of the high school world and let them “sort it out”. Duh. I’m just suggesting an extra dimension or place to look to further find those “hidden gems” Iowa seems to always find.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
My admittedly rather simplistic approach to stopping uptempo offense
Fuck the WR cushions, go nickel/dime, and when those guys come off the line of scrimmage, Coker/Danielsize their asses every time. Tempo offenses are all about quick reads and timing. If you knock the fucking WRs off of their routes, the pass blocking is going to break down if the quick 5-12 yard pass isn’t there.
We are going to have to downsize the personnel (so is everyone else in college football) that we put out there against tempo offenses. I’m a runner, and although I’m a mediocre one, most of the time in races at 5’5" 150s I’m passing the 6’4" 220+ runners out there, particularly late in the race (and I have to admit its FUN to drop a big super muscled guy – you just look in their eyes and you can see that they’re cooked). There’s a reason that distance runners are small, it has to do with basic physics and the size of the engine (heart/cardio system). The engine, with a few remarkable genetic exceptions, has basically the same amount of power regardless of body size. That’s why, for example, in cycling, that you have really tiny guys in the Tour riding mountain stages. Less body weight, better power-to-weight ratio for climbing mountains.
The trick will be for teams to balance their personnel to stop the spread/tempo. And that’s why I think KF is dubious about Oregon style being more than a fad, and he may very well be right. When its working, its awesome, the problem is, if it worked 100% of the time football would look like a sprint marathon everywhere. It doesn’t.
But we will see. The upside is there’s a lot more talent available in smaller sizes. Maybe the days of giant lineman and guys like Coker are actually limited if the long-term trend is towards tempo and speed.
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by The Bird Cult on Dec 29, 2010 9:31 AM CST up reply actions
Sorry, but comparing distance running and football players is wrong on many levels
1) The energy systems used are polar opposites
2) Having small guys is great for being fast, bad for having to actually run into people
3) Sure, distance runners are small, but they aren’t particularly strong
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Not talking about putting marathon guys in there... ;)
But I’m thinking you’re going to see a lot more people in the 220-230 range playing spots that used to be reserved for heavier players.
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by The Bird Cult on Dec 29, 2010 6:03 PM CST up reply actions
Do the Cal thing.
It’s dirty and I hate watching it as an impartial observer of two teams I don’t root for, but I’d rather see my team have 10 fake cramps and win then look gassed like they have the second half of this season.
As long as it’s legal and there’s no penalty for it.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I would hang my head in shame...
If I saw Iowa doing the Fainting Irish bit.
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Dec 29, 2010 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah about that
That’s the last thing I want to see. It just reeks of white trash cheating. If everybody was doing it, that would be one thing but I do not want to be “that” school.
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heh, Cal = white trash
That’s just funny.
Yeah, I know it sucks. But seriously, had Iowa done it say…. two or three times per game this year, and were playing in the Rose Bowl?
Well, to me it’s not cheating because it’s not against the rules. I would rather have that season than the one we had. But… I’d rather have the coaches do something different than either thing, obviously.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Paris Hilton has shown
you don’t have to be poor to be white trash.
And I believe it is against the rules to fake an injury. The problem is it’s almost impossible to proove. If it started happening with any regularity, I’m sure the NCAA would come up with something.
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Cal is rich? I don't think that was the correlation I was making.
I remember after the Cal game that the talking heads* said there really is nothing one can do about it. There is no rule against faking injury and no penalty in college football for getting hurt (liek the 10-second run off in the NFL).
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
It's still filthy
And the reason I don’t watch soccer
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IN a cursory overview of Iowa's 2011 schedule
it is possible that only one team will not run a no-huddle-esque version of the spread. Michigan, assuming Rich Rod is still there, being the lone run based spread version. Of course, there are several new coaches in the mix with some teams (Miami, OH; Pitt; Indiana; Minn).
If Iowa trots out a base defense against all these teams next year then I am going to lose my mind. The spread passing game is all about wearing out defense, getting guys open in space, mismatches for WRs with LBs and safeties. It is also about making things easy for a QB. Quick passing and not a lot of reading defense. Because of this, QBs in the spread tend to break down when teams mix things up. They are used to seeing either man-to-man and waiting for a guy to beat his guy or zone defenses taking what the defense gives them.
I think it is paramount that Iowa develop some hybrid player (LBs who can play D-line and safeties who can play LB) during key stretches of games. If you let ANY QB develop rhythm he will beat you at some point. I am still dumbfounded we won that game last night.
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by StoopsMyAss on Dec 29, 2010 11:47 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
FWIW, I'm beyond dumbfounded
And I agree 100% with you. The one positive here is that we’re not the only good team/program that’s in this same boat. Everyone is going to have to adapt to the spread and tempo offenses, at all levels of football. Its the new reality. Whether it becomes a regular feature of football is another issue, only time will tell.
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by The Bird Cult on Dec 29, 2010 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
Why, dumbfounded?
1. Spread teams practice against spread offenses. Therefore, they got punched in the mouth, didn’t like it, we ran the ball for epic yards, okay, they’re not so tough at the line of scrimmage. No one running these new era offenses is ever tough enough at the LOS. Teams running the zone-blocking scheme in the NFL have the same problem. Most of them get killed if they can’t run the stretch or inside zone against somebody. They’re not tough enough to pass block, and their defenses haven’t practiced against isolation blocking all season. I think, honestly, Kirk is onto something here.
2. They decided to throw the ball 60 times. Cool. For some reason BG was not 40-60 with zero INTs. And no one ever is.
3. The replay call was astounding. I’m astounded at the replay reversal. I will grant you one ‘dumbfounded’ that those guys had the nerve to reverse that catch.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
Not only did Gabbert throw a gift interception
but it was returned 70 yards on a spectacular play. Without that return, we probably lose. Our red zone in second half was dead, Stanzi was befuddled. Maybe Coker breaks one or two and we find a way to score a TD, but I was losing faith.
I think too that the coaches in the Big Ten are better than Pinkel at knowing Iowa’s tendencies. And Pinkel kind of imploded as a play caller. Fitzgerald would not have called a single run play outside of the 20 yard line last night. He would have attacked that soft spot to the death. This is what I saw this year…the Big Ten finally understanding that Iowa will not change.
You know that Ferentz wants to win games with defense. If that is true, he needs to evolve as these teams get better at the spread pass offense. I am not worried about Michigan’s offense. They want to run, that is in KF’s wheelhouse. But teams that get more efficient with the spread are going to kill us if we don’t develop a change-up in our defensive approach. a fire extinguisher in key moments (and he did allow for more blitzing and man coverage than I saw all season so perhaps the evolution was in baby stages last night???) Otherwise, we are going to have to match scores with teams. That just seems very foreign to this staff.
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by StoopsMyAss on Dec 29, 2010 4:21 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree that the game turned on a few big plays and one call.
But heck, we get to make the big plays once in a while, and the call — well, if you’re going to have instant replay (I wouldn’t, but whatever) they’re entitled to do a stop-frame analysis, and there definitely was a bouncing ball inside Moe’s arms.
In sum: just because we won on big plays instead of plodding through the valley of despond doesn’t make it a stupefying win.
I’m watching the game again now and one thing I will say: Norm was not being Old Norm in this game. I think the defense is in transition already.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
I hope you're right.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Maybe our failure to adapt during the season had something to do with not having a DC
Our defense was (barely) able to do what it couldn’t all season: close out a game.
Maybe Norm makes two or three different calls in each game that are JUST ENOUGH to get one more stop per game, which is all it would’ve taken to win 4 (maybe even 5) of them.
It’s all hypothetical at this point, but really, there has to be SOME reason that teams have a Defensive Coordinator. Going without one for all but 3 games had to hurt.
by KinnickNorthHawk on Dec 29, 2010 5:50 PM CST up reply actions
I certainly think so.
Most good games turn on 4-5 plays. Norm called a blitz in the first quarter with them in third-and-goal — totally counter-pattern — and I doubt an interim DC does that under Ferentz. But Norm, he probably scratched his head and thought, “I’ll eff them up with this.” Morris blitzed from the edge (we had zero lbs in the middle) and tackled the guy in the backfield, they had to kick a field goal. On one level, that is the whole game. One play.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
This, by the way,
is why we as fans miss a lot by watching the game live. We’re looking at decisions on offense and all the obvious stuff. But maybe an outlier blitz call in Q1 while on defense won the game. You only see this sort of thing in retrospect, because you don’t know the importance of those four points until the game is over.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
Fitzgerald said it BEFORE the Iowa game, so it's not just post-game bravado.
They knew what Iowa was going to do and they knew how to beat it. That doesn’t mean they’re going to win on every single play – they still have lesser talent and 21 year olds still need to execute. But it seems as though they know exactly what Iowa is going to do and they seem to have the proof to back that up.
Watching Oklahoma State now… the gimmicky stuff doesn’t bother me. I’m not trying to offend anyone’s sensibilities by saying tough guys will get eat by finesse guys. It’s just one specific offensive scheme that is spreading (actually, pun not intended) throughout the country and even the three yards and a cloud of dust Big Ten
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
But the problem with jNW
“knowing” what we would do, is that they still haven’t scored much on us. They’ve scored 21, 17 (including a defensive TD, so really 10), and 22 against us the last 3 years. That’s on the offense.
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In the jNW-specific example
they might not be scoring much against us, but they are keeping their O on the field (and ours off), thus minimizing our chances of scoring. Plus, the “we know what they’re going to do” goes both ways, they know exactly what we’re going to try offensively and adjust their defense to take as much away as possible.
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That's all true -- to an extent.
But go back and watch any of the last three Iowa-jNW games (not all at once, though – I don’t know want you to slit your wrists afterwards). The opportunities have ALWAYS been there for the Iowa offense, but the execution has been shit. That “knowing what we’re going to do” thing is such garbage because it’s almost always true yet often totally irrelevant anyway.
The problem is not that jNW does anything so well on offense that our defense has no hope of stopping them or that their defense is so impregnable that our offense is hopeless — although that PERCEPTION exists and it’s led to Fitzgerald and jNW getting a massive mental advantage over KF and Iowa. I will give Fitz credit: he knows how to motivate and he knows how to work mindgames — against Iowa, at least.
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Thank you.
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by The Bird Cult on Dec 29, 2010 9:33 AM CST up reply actions
I was so pleasantly surprised by this
I didn’t watch it because of a prior commitment, but when I saw the highlights late last night, I actually cheered so loud it frightened my girlfriend. I’ll be the first to admit I didn’t think Iowa could win this game, but it definitely gives me hope for the Big Ten in general, and I’ve never been more glad to be proven wrong on my initial assessment.
There is one thing that has yet to be said
and there’s a long, tenuous history that might keep it from being said. I’ll fall on the sword…
O’Keefe called a hell of a game last night. The offensive mistakes were not on him in the slightest. Sure, the foot came slightly off the gas pedal like always later in the game, but the mistakes fell wholly on Stanzi on those interceptions. When the offensive line is playing like they were last night, and when this offense has a workhorse like Coker who refuses to go down on first contact, KO’K has all the pieces together to put together a killer game… and he did last night.
Yes, I am a hater, generally speaking. But I have to give credit when it’s due. Ken showed signs of pulling his head out of his ass last night, and made calls that make our offense tick.
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by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Dec 29, 2010 9:38 AM CST reply actions
I might be full of shit,
but on that Stanzi INT when he passed downfield to McNutt along the sideline, McNutt was about 15-20 yards downfield when the defender threw a hard jab to McNutt’s chest, which to me seemed to slow his route just enough (ie, defensive holding no call), and McNutt was only a half step from being under that ball. Did anyone else notice that? I didn’t think the INT should have even happened, so I don’t really put that one on Stanzi. Of course I may have been practicing homerism, but that’s the way it looked to me last night. I agree with your other points though.
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by Give Eddie a Beer on Dec 29, 2010 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
Up at the line he took a big shot that threw him about 5 yards off his path
and that pass was a timing pass. It was up to McNutt to get there, but because of the bump he only almost got there.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Dec 29, 2010 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
It was an out-and-up
the defender bit, so he grabbed him after he made his break upfield (about 10 yards from LOS). Unfortunately, because the ball wasn’t thrown, the play was pretty legal in CFB, although you could have called him for holding.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
yep, I feel the same way.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
The CB definitely hit him after the first 5 yards
But I think it was a result of the pump that Ricky gave him. The INT is definitely all Ricky, though, as there was no reason to throw to McNutt there.
by The Mexican't on Dec 29, 2010 1:33 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed
my only real fault with Ricky this season is that too often he channeled his inner Rex Grossman and said “FUCK IT, I”M GOING DEEP!! UNLEASH THE DRAGON" regardless of whether it was the right call to make.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I really fell out of love with Stanzi after his hippie rant...
…but I’m surprised at how sad I am that last night was his last game. I really wish he would have broken Chuck Long’s record.
Also, is there any place to get DVDs of past seasons, because I really want to rewatch last year.
by stanzi's ex-girlfriend on Dec 29, 2010 9:57 AM CST reply actions
DVD's? No.
They did have one for the Orange Bowl, but the only way you will get 2009 games is if you can find someone who recorded the games. Further discussion of that probably crosses the line of what will be allowed on this site though.
And I’m OK with Chuck’s record standing. Stanzi’s been great, but he hasn’t been Chuck Long great.
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Holy shit.
That second thread was gignormous. I tried opening it up this morning and it made my computer do bad things.
Going, going, going, going, going, going, going, going.... Alright, I'll stop for now.
This is pretty awesome.
A collection of photos from Sash’s INT from the DMR. Scroll really fast and it’s like a flipbook. WHEEEEE.
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Um, that's Hyde :)
Thanks for the link Ross :)
I really liked how Micah did a very low key celebration… he just dropped the ball and stopped. More likely he was winded as hell from probably running 150 yards in reality to make that TD.
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by The Bird Cult on Dec 29, 2010 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
A nice contrast from most other players
was thinking that last night watching Okie State and AZ. OSU had an INT return for TD, and the CB predictably showboated in the end zone (despite having a much easier, and less important, TD return than Hyde). That is one area that the staff’s demeanor is certainly reflected in the team: TD celebrations. Or, rather, the relative lack thereof. There is always a lot of team celebrating/congratulating a player when he scores (and always funny to see an Olineman bear hug a RB off the ground) but absolutely no taunting/calling attention to oneself. Just our players following the mantra “act like you’ve been there before and expect to be back”, regardless of the situation. Nice to see in this day and age
/YOU KIDS STAY OFF MY LAWN!!!!
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I hope Adam Robinson
Was sitting in his jail cell watching Coker steal his starting spot next year. Drugs are bad, mmmkay.
Ann Arbor is a whore.
Robinson ain't coming back
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
Given that
ARob was released on his own recognizance – and conceivably could be guilty of nothign more than being in a car with a guy who had pot, nothing in the police reports I’ve read say that they found pot on ARob’s person – I’d say he didn’t
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Missouri fan here
Hell of a game, gentlemen (and/or gentleladies). I’m personally sad that my night ended with sad-type drinking instead of celebratory, but one fan-base had to do it I guess. And booze is booze, of course! You’ve got a hell of a back in Coker and good lord did your O-line manhandle our VERY capable D-line. Stanzi didn’t have an incredible game but damn is he handsome with those luxurious locks, am I right or am I right?
Have a happy new year!
Same to your OL
I was so disappointed in Clayborn’s performance last night. I really hoped he would put on one more badass performance before the draft, but your LT locked him down pretty much on his own most of the night. If we have to play you guys again, I hope Gabbert leaves. If not, hopefully you guys get to enjoy him for one more season.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
I thought Stanzi was hotter with his buzz cut last year, but I have to admit the long hair grew on me.
by stanzi's ex-girlfriend on Dec 29, 2010 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
It grew on him too.
So just shut your face and take a seat, 'cause after all, you're just talking meat.
by Bucketochicken on Dec 29, 2010 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
He'll be here all week, folks!
Try the veal, tip your waitress! And remember, you must be 18 for the 10 o’clock show as it tends to get a little blue.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
What a gracious comment. Thank you.
It is too bad one team had to lose. We got lucky – honestly. Good luck to you guys next year.
Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more cowbell!!
by The Bird Cult on Dec 29, 2010 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
The thing that struck me about the game, and this is somewhat worrisome about next year:
There was no ‘next man in’ for DJK. I think Stanzi really suffered not having him in the game, and there was a period of about two hours when NONE of our receivers got separation. I think we need to credit DJK’s impact, as if we have to be reminded given that he is #1 all-time, because without him Missouri really had nothing to fear in respect of our passing game. I concluded that DJK truly distorted teams’ pass coverage schemes all year. A disrupter like DJK makes it easier for everyone else. And Stanzi looked positively uncomfortable without DJK.
Now, next year, we will still be running the same simple scheme, and every team will know exactly what we run and usually when we run it, and there is no evidence yet that Keenan is a difference-maker who can impose his own disruption and distortions on defenses.
Other random notes as the transition begins:
Our defense can survive without All Big Ten position players. Except at linebacker. We put a lot of pressure on our linebackers. The fast-break offenses increase that pressure each year.
I thought Tanner Miller looked big and fast and in the flow, which is good because it sure sounds like Sash is gone if he gets a good rating from the NFL guys.
In the first part of this decade, pre-Tate, the coaches always worked the number 2 QB in for a series or two, even in the first half. Tate and Stanzi didn’t share. I wonder if this is going to be costly next year with VDB.
Don’t look now, but if Rogers has a congenital heart problem, we don’t have a fullback who has played a snap. Not one snap. Our offense doesn’t work without a fullback who knows where he is and what he is doing. This is one position where I don’t groan listening to the coaches talking about ‘trust’, because if the fullback is not on the right page, VDB is going to get killed.
Going into next season, we will be celebrated as having the best O-line in the Big Ten and one of the best in the country. I hope it goes better than what we saw, post-hype machine, with this D-line.
Coker, who outran the secondary of Mizzou after piledriving one of them onto his butt, will be praised as a tough but somewhat slow big guy. This is the same BS that attended Shonn Greene, costing him $10 million, until he outran the San Diego secondary last year. Even now, watching Greene beating linebackers to the edge, I hear startled surprise in the announcers, to the effect of, “Gee, for a big guy he’s kinda fast.” I think, right now, Greene is quicker to the edge than LT. This is annoying.
I enjoy, unlike a lot of people hear, listening to Millen. I think he ‘gets’ Iowa and correctly comments on what Iowa is trying to do, respects it, and doesn’t do what most announcers do, which is compare Iowa to the flavor-of-the-month clubs.
Jerry Kill is going to be a handful, no matter that he looks like Mr. Peoples, or whatever the old Charmin ad actor was called. Minnesota is already our match from a talent standpoint, I think, and they’ll be a real football team next year.
Incidentally, thanks to everyone for contributing to the mayhem that is BHGP that I enjoyed most every day, no matter the frustrating season. And to think, it’s a lasting distraction that’s they don’t make us purchase, except with lost productivity. I just wish I could delete my posts, from time to time, but thanks for not holding them against me too much.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
by Bellanca on Dec 29, 2010 12:12 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Kill is an accidental hire who has references from peers like I've never read.
Ferentz did not have those references. Also, his players think he walks on water.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
I don't think I agree with your talent statement
but I do think they got the right man in Kill. That team will play hard for him, and yes, Minnesota has some pieces to work with, but I don’t think they are our equal talent-wise just yet (especially on the OL). They will have to find a QB next year (b/c Gray sure as shit isn’t one).
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
Nobody wanted Dan Persa.
Marquis Gray has more talent than Dan Persa.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
He is very athletic, yes
but he is not a QB.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
Mr. Whipple

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
I like Millen too.
A more-cerebral Spielman, if you will.
So just shut your face and take a seat, 'cause after all, you're just talking meat.
by Bucketochicken on Dec 29, 2010 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
I cannot stand Millen
It just seems he continually hammers home the same 3 points the ENTIRE game. I would much rather hear Spielman interjecting with the passion he does. Seems much less measured and more spontaneous.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
One thing I would add
after watching the game another time:
Do we adjust at halftime well, on offense?
I happen to think we’re a top-5 team on the first 15 plays of every game. I think we script well and come out ready.
But man, how many times, this year, did we do the equivalent of jumping out ahead 17-3, and then find ourselves in a hole with five minutes left in the game.
In this game, we did not adjust as the game wore on. We seem to go into these games with a script that works, but that’s all. The other guys adjust better on the fly.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
DJK said on his FB he is in Chicago training. Training for what?
by stanzi's ex-girlfriend on Dec 29, 2010 12:51 PM CST reply actions
Combine (if he's invited), Pro Day
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
Either that or a job at UPS.
Iowa needs to have ‘tradecraft’ as part of the freshman orientation process.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
I still think it's a shame
that he won’t be allowed to work out with the team for the Pro Day at Iowa.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
With regard to that overturned reception
I thought it wouldn’t be overturned even though it was unarguably the right call. If you recall there was a freeze frame shot of the ball clearly touching the turf with the hands not underneath. The receiver was almost surely out of bounds at that point but the simple fact is you can’t have maintained possession of the ball and have the ball end up in the position it was in. I don’t like to have anything questionable get in the way of a victory, but if the shoe were on the other foot I really couldn’t argue against the ref’s decision.
Wow, I just got congratulated by a Mizzou grad here at work
I didn’t even know he went to Mizzou. So gracious. Again, good game Mizzou!
Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more cowbell!!
Thank God for Gabbert to Hyde
Without that play, this game was a carbon copy of the late season swoons. The offense comes out looking sharp. Then, inexplicably, the offense can do nothing in the second half. The defense wears down and gives up the go-ahead touchdown in the 4th. here we go again…….until Gabbert flings that pass right at Micah. He responds with an electric return. I kept thinking as i watched ‘Please score, Please please!!!!! " If he is tackled at the 10 we are fucked. Two runs and an incomplete pass on third down and a field goal. So, thank you Micah for saving this game. Maybe our offense can find it’s mojo next year, we shall see. I will continue to pray someone will offer KOK a head coaching job somewhere…….
In defense of a nickle back defense
OK, it’s clear to many of us that we need more DB’s than LB’s against spread-passing teams. Comments:
1. These teams do not usually have a dominant run-game, but as our line gets gassed with time and effort, and as our defense is back on its heels worrying about pass defense, even these teams can run the ball well later in the game. Purdue has hurt us this way in the past, for example.
2. It’s a helluva lot easier to find a big quick cover safety than a small quick cover LBer. How hard can it be to have 5-6 DB’s ready to play each spread-opponent game? Not as hard as keeping ALL of your freakishly-quick LBers healthy, as we found this year when Tarp and Nielson both went down. One upside: playing all of those DB’s gives them game-experience, so when you need a dime back, it’s someone whose number you actually recognize.
3. We ask our DB’s to tackle people in space all the time, and they’re good at it, so the idea that we need an LB crew for run support all the time is a bit fallacious, unless you’re playing a power-I team. But playing NW (with Trumpy as RB), or Mizzou (with nobody as RB) or IU (ditto)—I’m not convinced that a DB can’t be good in run stopping.
4. We are not good at rushing 3 and putting 8 into coverage against experienced accurate QB’s. We need to stop doing that, unless we decide to blitz a 4th rusher.
5. Norm is a smart guy, I think he knows the above. But as Stoops said, we can either be ahead of the curve or be crushed under it! With the pace of the game speeding up, we can’t afford to let the opponent run 80 plays anymore in a game. Either take a few risks and make a stop, or give up a TD even, but get them off the field every so often. Or shorten the plays themselves with blitz-pressure, so the QB can’t park himself back there while our d-line futilely exhausts itself. I, too, will be pissed if we come out against NW in our base 4-3 defense with 3 LBs and no blitzes. That ain’t the future of defending against that type of team—that’s the past.
"Apparently, riding Joe Paterno like a small horse is FROWNED UPON IN THIS ESTABLISHMENT!"
There is no defense
for listening to Nickelback.
"They're not people, James Ingram. They're Jimmy Buffett fans."
by SomeJerkPoster on Dec 31, 2010 2:19 AM CST up reply actions
Come on, everyone likes Nickelback
Just some people are afraid to admit it. ;)
Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more cowbell!!
by The Bird Cult on Dec 31, 2010 12:35 PM CST up reply actions

























