The Day of Reckoning
by Patrick Vint on Dec 14, 2010 7:49 AM CST
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We spent Monday waiting for the other shoe to drop, as rumors swirled around the Hawkeye football program. At its best, it was nothing we didn't already know. At its worst, it was apocalypse now. We were told answers were forthcoming in a 3:00 press release, and yet 3:00 (and 4:00, and 5:00) came and went without an announcement. The announcement finally came at around 5:15, and it was unimpressive: Jewel Hampton is leaving the team, and Adam Robinson is suspended for the Insight Bowl on December 28. By itself, there is nothing in the press release that we didn't already suspect; we'd gotten a heads up on Hampton's departure from Hampton himself, and Robinson had missed a previous start against Ohio State because of academic issues. It was an anticlimactic end to a day filled with nervous gossip.
There's still a lot of smoke here, though. The two-plus hour delay in distributing the press release isn't a copy machine problem; it's exactly the kind of thing you'd expect when the distributor can't decide what news to include. There is one thing of note that was included in the release: A press conference today at 10:00 with Kirk Ferentz and Gary Barta. The fact that Barta will be there is telling; a transfer and a suspension would usually garner little more than passing mention from Ferentz, who typically holds press conferences on Tuesday. Something is happening, maybe this morning. What that something might be is subject to the same speculation as yesterday's press release.
We'll be here at 9:45 to liveblog the press conference. In the meantime, the thread is open for venting and idle rumormongering. Keep holding your breath.
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DJK
I would imagine that this is the official expulsion from the team news conference. Barta is there to take some of the pressure off of Ferentz as the press wonders why all of the character issues over the last few years.
I may love the Steelers, but I live and die by my Hawkeyes.
Indecision on the press release
Is it possible that this was delayed simply to get to all the recruits first and keep them from believing the worst rumors?
Except there's nothing in that press release that would effect recruiting
If they contacted every recruit each time someone transferred or was suspended, there’d be no time for coaching. Letting the press release go at its scheduled time would have no ill effect (and could have a positive effect, as there wouldn’t be reason to worry), unless recruits were being contacted regarding whatever is coming today.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Dec 14, 2010 8:07 AM CST up reply actions
Thats what Lickliter said
Imagine all the press conferences he would of had with players transferring…
I heard
that Barta is so disgusted by the new logo and division names, we’re moving to the WAC. Where the staff expects to go 6-6 on good years.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
There's tons of smoke...
because we just took some more rips
by GodDam_Hawkeyes on Dec 14, 2010 8:03 AM CST reply actions
shhhhhhh!
You’ll wake up Drugs!
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Dec 14, 2010 8:30 AM CST up reply actions
What are you talking about?
DRUGS went to bed only a few hours ago. You won’t see him until sometime this afternoon!
"The possibility of physical and mental collapse is now very real. No sympathy for the Devil, keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride!" HST
If what we fear most is coming down
Maybe DJK was with the program the whole time.
by vahawk on Dec 14, 2010 8:06 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
Here we go again.
Same old thang dog, just a different day!
"The possibility of physical and mental collapse is now very real. No sympathy for the Devil, keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride!" HST
will there be video of the press conference on the hawkeye website?
this place smells like feet. i’ll bring a can of lysol next week.
If you live in Des Moines
It’s going to be live on KCCI, and I think they’ll have it on their site too.
Good question man
"The possibility of physical and mental collapse is now very real. No sympathy for the Devil, keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride!" HST
ok, you can get the press conference on the web if you pay for the Hawkeye Sports pass.
That’s how I listen to Dolp & such.
this place smells like feet. i’ll bring a can of lysol next week.
I am not expecting any more suspensions but I am expecting
as stated above, that Barta is there to take heat off of Ferentz. I would also expect that this might be the place and time to reassure Iowa fans that this is not the end of Hawkeye Football. They know that everyone is very disenchanted with unmet expectations. They also have a LOT more Insight Bow tickets to sell.
From a PR perspective, it makes almost no sense to announce a suspension on a Monday and then announce more on Tuesday. It suggests you are disorganized, defensive, and naive. If that does happen, then I am going to want someone to ask, why didn’t you include them (new suspensions) in yesterday’s release or why didn’t you wait until today to announce ALL of them together? What merits special mention yesterday?
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
That make sense, but
I can see the other end of the spectrum happening as well. Maybe the shit has hit the fan and they needed more time than they originally thought to sort through all the shit. Maybe I am wrong. I hope I am wrong, but something tell me it’s going to be a long off season of pure hell for the program and all of us fans. When it rains, it pours!
"The possibility of physical and mental collapse is now very real. No sympathy for the Devil, keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride!" HST
I think you have a point Stoops, about the oddity of announcing suspensions in waves, and I hope you're right.
However, ARob could have been suspended for something like not going to class or study hall. Others’ could be in trouble for something else that is way more serious and way trickier to discuss or announce. (cf. my theory below.)
We play tackle football, most of the time.
If ARob were suspended merely for bad grades
I really don’t think the rather ominous-souding “option to rejoin the team in January” clause would have been inserted.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Why?
It’s not like January is that far off. They’ll give him time to enjoy his holiday break and let him come back second semester to re-join the team.
by The Mexican't on Dec 14, 2010 8:58 AM CST up reply actions
Including language
that ARob may rejoin the team implies that he has been kicked off it. Put another way, usually when you’re “suspended”, re-instatement is automatic once you’ve served the suspension (e.g. Binns’ DWI suspension at the start of the season), here, it states that ARob must take some other action to rejoin, that it is not automatic.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Yeah, it's ominous.
My guess is that there’s something pretty serious here, and he may be on the ropes academically as well. That kid got his bell rung very, very badly and it wouldn’t surprise me at all if he just stopped working for a while.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
It sounds very academic to me...
when we suspended people academically we told them the steps to regain academic good standing. It was always detailed, not just “get your overall GPA to X.XX and you’re good to go.”
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
I think the football team has greater (or more comprehensive) academic requirements than minimal Univ. standards too
same as if you were to apply to study abroad, etc.
I know they have an attendance clause at minimum, that does not exist university-wide.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
I've gotten some music together for people to listen to
Way to set the mood!
"The possibility of physical and mental collapse is now very real. No sympathy for the Devil, keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride!" HST
If they're suspending more guys for failing drug tests,
and if that is the nature of Robinson’s bowl game suspension, the institution has an interesting problem.
They’re essentially outing the athletes as criminals, without any law enforcement action being undertaken. I don’t know how you do that. I don’t think you can do that.
If they suspend or terminate a group of guys while using the vague language that was applied to Robinson, I think they’re still at some risk. There is no possibility that their future employment prospects, inside and outside football, will be diminished.
We need to remember that the athletes are not just athletic department pets — they are men with rights. On one level they are employees. You don’t fire employees out here in the real world and casually and publicly say the reason why is that they have a drug problem. It’s one thing to suspend someone for not going to class; alleging or suggesting or simply implying criminal behavior is a different matter entirely.
So my guess, residing on a hunch, fed by rumor, is that the delays and confusion have to do with a very, very careful review of facts, existing and published team policy, and proposed language in any announcement, by the university’s general counsel, and I’ll be surprised if the GC didn’t go outside as well.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
So you think more heads are rolling today?
or we’re done with that? Yesterday was the end?
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
I think he means more heads will roll!
"The possibility of physical and mental collapse is now very real. No sympathy for the Devil, keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride!" HST
Worked at a major university for many years
and we had suicides, teacher and GA strikes, we had professors accused of raping students, you name it. Our philosophy was always to get ducks in a fucking TIGHT row, then talk. Doing it in “waves” as you say, was perceived to be a disastrous approach.
Why?
The press gets pissed for obvious reasons (reacting then revising reactions) and you want them to be as favorable to you as is possible, the University community gets pissed (begin not to trust you because you are equivocating, playing a guessing game, etc.) and most importantly it makes whatever is the problem appear WORSE.
The whole point of holding press conferences is to control the impression that things are a mess, not stoke that fire.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Solid logic
Unless there is news out there that is much worse than the speculation. Then the best advice might be to get it over with.
Hell, for all we know, Norm may announce his retirement. Would that be so shocking?
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Dec 14, 2010 8:48 AM CST up reply actions
I think today is about Insight Bowl tickets
imagine you are at the athletic offices. They have one thing on their mind…getting this team ready to go to a bowl game. They got tickets to sell, and that’s a lot of money we are on the hook for here. They have a team that is trying to get ready, and this should be a time of celebration. Instead, we are doing a daily leak of bad news? I think they wanted to suppress the concern yesterday, by stating the obvious and today is righting the ship.
That’s my instinct.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Hope you're right.
But that means that the run on the bank yesterday (gambling suspension) was caused by ARob alone.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
Vagas is like everyone else
they always react to perception as much as fact. They don’t want the numbers to become 70/30 for Missouri OR Iowa. They are in the vigorish biz.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
There was a run yesterday. If not they simply would have continued to reset the spread.
They shut the window, Stoops. 70-30 or whatever would have just pushed the spread to 3 or 4.
Believing in the information content of markets, here.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
I would think
that the past couple years would disabuse you of the idea that markets have a significant “information content” and are not wildly overreactive to rumors and fears that, once unleashed, take on a life of their own and are self-fulfilling.
I don’t doubt the books at Vegas know a bit more than most fans, but I can’t see yesterday as anything other than an overreaction to rampant speculation.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I think after today they reset the line...
but they have to have some basis to reset the line. I have seen lines come down for rumors on many, many occasions. Silly ones too.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Yeah I've seen lines...
Thin white ones.
by mikjones24 on Dec 14, 2010 9:14 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm an economist, so I believe in market more than most.
In fact, information markets (such as the Iowa Electronic Markets that almost always predicts the outcome of presidential elections correctly) are one of my favorite things. But markets are only as “smart” as the people involed in them. If we set up a market to predict the first manned flight to Mars, but the only people involved in the market are you, me, and my brother, the market outcome is probably not going to be that accurate. (Unless you’re a rocket scientist for NASA or something.) In this case, the vast majority of people betting on the game have no more information than any of us on this blog. So the market movement relfects the rumors we’ve all been hearing. Even if there are a few people who know exactly what the announcement is going to be today, any bets they made (and I certainly hope noone in the athletic department is betting on the game) would have been noise among all the bets made by people who heard rumors of upcoming suspensions and wanted to make a bet before the line moved.
As far as Vegas taking it off the board, it’s like SMA says: The most logical explanation is that they want to limit their risk. If they don’t do anything, they’re likely to lose money if the rumors turn out to be true, because so many people bet on Mizzou before that was known. If they move the line by a lot, there’s the chance that the rumors turn out to be false, and they could end up losing money in the other direction. The safest route for them is to take it off the board, let real information come out, then put it back up with whatever line they think is appropriate. If I recall correctly, this happened earlier this year for a Florida game when there was a rumor John Brantley was injured. It’s not that Vegas knew that he was or wasn’t going to play, they just wanted to wait and find out before they put their money on the line. (And while QB is an important position, one player possibly being injured pales in comparison to rumored suspensions in the double-digits.)
This is
a much more intelligent, cogent and thorough explanation that I was trying to get across. Thanks.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
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Perhaps my best years are gone... but I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
by jebushchrist on Dec 14, 2010 9:30 AM CST up reply actions
Your mom has no place, BHGP, etc.
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by ReadingRambler on Dec 14, 2010 9:31 AM CST up reply actions
At least have the decency to throw a Naked Mole Rat up there, jeez.
So just shut your face and take a seat, 'cause after all, you're just talking meat.
by Bucketochicken on Dec 14, 2010 4:42 PM CST up reply actions
No. It doesn't explain the run on the bank, though.
I believe in markets.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
Disagree here.
Your assumption is that the Vegas people “in the know” have inside info we don’t.
My assumption is rather that the line moved so much with the wild speculations flying around that they just took it off to cover their asses just in case.
“Perfect” market movement is based on the public knowledge (or lack thereof), not of insiders.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Dec 14, 2010 9:05 AM CST up reply actions
That could have been driven just by the rumors we've all heard
People hear “5… no, 11… no, 24… no, the entire Iowa Hawkeyes football team is going to be suspended for the Insight Bowl,” so they bet on Mizzou. For all we know, the people most in-the-know were betting on Iowa because the line had gone up due to the amount being bet on Mizzou.
I have no idea if the suspension rumors are true. No clue.
But it’s very bad issue management, imo, to let this thing burn out of control overnight if ARob and Jewel are the extent of the damage.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
RE : Legal Rights
They’re essentially outing the athletes as criminals, without any law enforcement action being undertaken. I don’t know how you do that. I don’t think you can do that.
I might have a disagreement here. I am assuming that all athletes at Iowa sign some sort of code of conduct which would specify that certain behaviors would result in dismissal from the team and termination of the Athletic Scholarship in which case, yes they can do that… Not a lawyer, don’t completely know how things are handled at the D1 level but in my experience (D2 JUCO, if i failed a drug test I was off the team and scholarship revoked.)
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Dec 14, 2010 8:41 AM CST up reply actions
Univ. have due process that must coexist with rights
Univ. Code of Conducts are primarily there to cover those things NOT in the law.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Outing people as criminals without calling the cops isn't unknown...
Where I used to work, if you pissed hot or failed the Breathalyzer nothing was said to the cops. They even gave you a ride home, but that was more of a liability issue thing than a keeping you away from the cops.
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Dec 14, 2010 8:47 AM CST up reply actions
Yes, drug tests are a fact of life in many corporations
However, XYZ Corp. doesn’t make public announcements and name names when Bob the Fork Lift Operator is pees the chemical. And I doubt XYZ would even tell a future employer that Bob violated internal drug testing protocols.
Neither of those conditions can be matched if an athlete is terminated.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
Bob the Fork Life Operator
is not with the program.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Dec 14, 2010 8:56 AM CST up reply actions
Depends on why exactly they were giving him the whiz quiz...
Although the more I think on it, it’s usually the anonymous source route, rather than holding a press conference. You’re right.
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Dec 14, 2010 8:56 AM CST up reply actions
Who says the University would say that about athletes either?
“Players X, Y, and Z have been dismissed from the team and released from scholarship for failure to comply with university regulations.” They don’t have to say any more than that, no matter what rumors swirl.
that, then, would come in a press release form
they called a press conference…that is a DISCUSSION with the press.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Do you suppose they handed out the list of questions to be asked in advance?
Perhaps my best years are gone... but I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
by jebushchrist on Dec 14, 2010 9:06 AM CST up reply actions
I'm sure KOK scripted the first 15.
No. 11 is the end-around to Morehouse.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
by Bellanca on Dec 14, 2010 9:06 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Fumble. Recovered by Doxsie.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Dec 14, 2010 9:09 AM CST up reply actions
Then Doxsie can't remember what the 12th question is and the room is silent for 41 seconds, until Ferentz drops his handkerchief.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
That's one loud handkerchief.
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by ReadingRambler on Dec 14, 2010 9:12 AM CST up reply actions
I'm sure a fact sheet has been created
to contextualize this. PCs are to control message, not created an environment for things to get fucking out of control. I mean how would they open today’s conference:
“Hi. Thanks for coming. So, picking up where we left off yesterday with our release….”
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
You mean, it won't be ...
REMAIN CALM! ALL IS WELL!
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Dec 14, 2010 9:21 AM CST up reply actions
I agree except here's the rub.
Let’s say there are 11. Let’s say this internet thing explodes in gossip, and then the legit press gets people in and around the team to talk. Now you have a group of men who, because they were dropped for vague reasons in a public manner, are now damaged goods to future employers.
I’m not saying that it won’t or can’t happen. I’m saying that if it is going to happen, the AD is going to school right now with the lawyers, in order to minimize litigation liabliity. Remember, there simply is no way to defend yourself without accusing a player of breaking the law. Truth is not a very good defense here.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
Then I would have been silent yesterday...
is my point. Yesterday would then have been the tossing of crumbs. Crisis Mgt. 101—no fucking crumbs.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
No, if ARob's transgression is innocent, Ferentz is too classy to throw him in an announcement with the less-innocent.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
That seems like a stretch to me....
Then why include a transfer announcement together with ARob. Just single them all out.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
This is not a rumor and is based in no facts at all
I have a feeling Ferentz is resigning.
I feel better now that I typed it out loud.
Perhaps my best years are gone... but I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
WOW
That was something I really never thought about. I mean, I have thought about it, but reading it kind of made it tangible. There would be chaos after this, no doubt!
"The possibility of physical and mental collapse is now very real. No sympathy for the Devil, keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride!" HST
Calm down
If it does happen, we still have Ken O’Keefe to run the show.
Perhaps my best years are gone... but I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
by jebushchrist on Dec 14, 2010 8:44 AM CST up reply actions
Excuse me
I believe I speculated this was the exact scenario yesterday. I WANT ATTRIBUTION!!!!
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
You just linked to Meat Baby. Not cool.
Perhaps my best years are gone... but I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
by jebushchrist on Dec 14, 2010 9:18 AM CST up reply actions
That would ruin his legacy
to run from a burning building. NOT happening.
Today we will be told that we need to settle down and go win a bowl game.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Not to mention his son is on the team
he’s spent most of his adult life working for Iowa football.
Let’s move on to more reasonable speculation.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
This had been lurking around in my mind too...
However, I keep banishing the thought to the part of my brain where I keep the memories of stuff like cellulitis, that fat girl from Oceanside, “Titanic” and “Romeo and Juliet”.
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Dec 14, 2010 8:40 AM CST up reply actions
I'm kind of suprised....
it took this long for someone to suggest it! I hope it’s not the case, but it’s definitely a thought that crossed my mind.
To what end?
Personal disappointment? NFL? Burnout? Health? Pitt job?
We play tackle football, most of the time.
Exhaustion?
Not for another job. I don’t know. It’s just my gut feeling. Nothing more.
Perhaps my best years are gone... but I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
by jebushchrist on Dec 14, 2010 8:56 AM CST up reply actions
I could see exhaustion.
I could also see the NFL, if he’s decided that he can’t get far enough inside these guys’ lives to keep the program crystal clean. In the NFL, you know your linebackers are blazing at night, and there’s no pretense to be maintained as to their choirboy character.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
I think Ferentz would be vilified in the press if he walked away today or even before bowl game
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
If we take it a step further, as in, beyond today
I suppose if he says exhaustion and leaves following the Insight he can then take a few months off and quietly take a job in the Spring with an NFL team. That way he didn’t “leave Iowa for the NFL”.
Perhaps my best years are gone... but I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
by jebushchrist on Dec 14, 2010 9:02 AM CST up reply actions
He once offered a rare public reflection
that his “retirement” job would be coaching line at some DIII school like Williams. The guy doesn’t need money, hates the press scrutiny (our scrutiny), probably is sick to his stomach about the stuff behind the scenes, and could probably write THE standard text on OLine play if he had some free time.
We know one thing: he loves football and appears to hate an awful lot of the show-biz and personnel management side of things.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
He could coach o-line at Penn State...
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by ReadingRambler on Dec 14, 2010 9:20 AM CST up reply actions
Nah
He doesn’t think Banana Peel’s fundamentals are fixable and he knows Turnstile has a lousy work effort
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
One of our o-line coaches used to look like Lee Marvin
Dick Marvin
But now? Now he’s just really old. sigh
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by ReadingRambler on Dec 14, 2010 9:23 AM CST up reply actions
Dlck?
"Southern PA - We don't boast about our weather, because we don't want you here." - SarcasmJam
by ReadingRambler on Dec 14, 2010 9:26 AM CST up reply actions
That reflection suggested to me
he might never have the attitude needed to take this team to the next level.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
To me, he has some of the attributes that you read about with Belichick's dad. Which causes me to speculate that he should write his book.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
although you can be a bit of a coitus interruptus too
you must admit…
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Poll
Which Iowa player is going to shoot Kirk Ferentz?
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by ReadingRambler on Dec 14, 2010 9:18 AM CST up reply actions
Nah. He'd shoot for the knees and miss, then run around celebrating.
Perhaps my best years are gone... but I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
by jebushchrist on Dec 14, 2010 9:20 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I was trying to point out the absurdity in comparing Ferentz to a guy who was *DEAD* at the end of his term.
Sorry if I failed.
"Southern PA - We don't boast about our weather, because we don't want you here." - SarcasmJam
by ReadingRambler on Dec 14, 2010 9:21 AM CST up reply actions
Never apologize for failing. It's how we learn.
/ Abraham Lincoln
Perhaps my best years are gone... but I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
by jebushchrist on Dec 14, 2010 9:27 AM CST up reply actions
This has crossed my mind as well
I’d pin it on Ferentz being tired of the constant babysitting involved with being a college coach. He tries to do the right things, etc., only to have his best WR kicked off the team for a coke arrest, his top remaining RB suspended for gambling or whatever, a top backup RB leaving due to injury, etc. etc. etc.
It has also crossed my mind that Ferentz is stepping down because Parker is retiring, O’Keefe is following him out the door, and Ferentz doesn’t want to find any more “yes-men” for his staff. He’s too old-fashioned for that, so leaving to allow a new regime to take over is easier and simpler.
by imadirtyoldman on Dec 14, 2010 9:13 AM CST up reply actions
If this guy steps to the podium, we're screwed
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Dec 14, 2010 8:36 AM CST reply actions
Press Release Timing
Did the athletic department say 3:00? Or was that the assumption? There seemed to be some sense from the local columnists on Twitter last night that they assumed 3:00, not that the athletic department said ‘expect this at 3:00’.
And I can’t agree strongly enough with Stoops – if you’ve got bad news to release, you release it all at once. You don’t dribble it out here and there. You dump and start to move on.
It's crisis management 101
and if they dump more today, then Barta needs reprimand. The Univ. is on the hook for thousands of tickets and he’s doing a daily leak of suspensions. Nothing like having days and days of scurrilous headlines about your football team.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Perhaps my belief that Iowa's athletic department knows what it's doing is
misplaced. We’ll see.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
No,
you bring up some valid points. Makes total sense after thinking about it!
"The possibility of physical and mental collapse is now very real. No sympathy for the Devil, keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride!" HST
Makes total sense
is not a phrase I expect to see a lot of today.
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Dec 14, 2010 8:47 AM CST up reply actions
SELF-IMPOSED DEATH PENALTY FOR IOWA FOOTBALL
Because if you’re going to engage in speculation and rumor-mongering, you should go all out.
by Midnight Rambler on Dec 14, 2010 8:50 AM CST reply actions
We've got to be able to come up with a better name than that.
by The Mexican't on Dec 14, 2010 8:57 AM CST up reply actions
Do the Hokey Chokey?
(chokey = jail get it???)
Perhaps my best years are gone... but I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
by jebushchrist on Dec 14, 2010 8:59 AM CST up reply actions
Put your WR in, take your WR out, put your RB in
And shake them all about?
by The Mexican't on Dec 14, 2010 9:00 AM CST up reply actions
Is This Prison? No, it's Iowa.
Perhaps my best years are gone... but I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
by jebushchrist on Dec 14, 2010 9:04 AM CST up reply actions
Hawkeye Hubris?
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Dec 14, 2010 8:58 AM CST up reply actions
Vacating every victory ever by any Iowa team ever. Including all of our Wrestling national championships, Nile Kinnicks Heisman win, and that one halfway Alabamaish football national title from the 1950s
Watched the SMU 30 for 30 piece last night
and walked away with a very sympathetic POV to what the players from that era said, “This shit was happening at Texas, A&M, Tech, you name it. That we are the only ones that the NCAA popped is a joke!” And it’s true. SMU was the most blatant and least effective at concealing it—and it included a former governor and that is salacious and political—but I am certain Oklahoma and Texas were paying guys loads of money. I never understood by guys in those days came from SoCal or Miami to play at Oklahoma. That was very rare back then.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
There certainly seems to be something
to the notion that it wasn’t ok for SMU because they weren’t “deserving” of being a good team. I think it was telling when they discussed the rule changes by the NCAA that put in place the “death penalty” only nine schools voted against it, and six of those were from the SWC. That was one dirty, dirty conference.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Actually six voted against it, and three were from the SWC.
SMU, Texas, and Houston.
Now, at one time, six of the nine teams in the SWC were all on probation.
"Southern PA - We don't boast about our weather, because we don't want you here." - SarcasmJam
by ReadingRambler on Dec 14, 2010 9:27 AM CST up reply actions
Are you sure?
Thought the voting numbers I had were right. But the larger pont remains, the SWC was the only conference against punishment, in bloc, for repeated violations. Becasue they were all guilty.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Why couldn't this whole debacle
just be figured out in 24.7 minutes like all good sitcoms?
by GodDam_Hawkeyes on Dec 14, 2010 8:53 AM CST reply actions
I'm not subscribing to Hawkeye All-Access for this.
You all keep me updated please.
"Southern PA - We don't boast about our weather, because we don't want you here." - SarcasmJam
Rambler
If you’re free around 10AM click here. It should be live. Yes, it is legal. No, it’s not a link to porn.
You mean 10 Central, of course, right?
"Southern PA - We don't boast about our weather, because we don't want you here." - SarcasmJam
by ReadingRambler on Dec 14, 2010 9:07 AM CST up reply actions
Central?
You Iowanians andy our nutty time zones.
McGloin Despite Them
Preaching the McGospel since Aug. 2nd, 2010
keeping the "andy" though?
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Dec 14, 2010 9:22 AM CST up reply actions
More importantly, who's gunna be left to play the bowl game?
Since DJK, A-Rob, and Co. have been playing in the hippy lettuce bowl.
by Stay thirsty, my friends. on Dec 14, 2010 9:04 AM CST reply actions
Penn State better win their freaking bowl game.
I can’t take the Offseason of Discontent at two blogs. I just can’t.
"Southern PA - We don't boast about our weather, because we don't want you here." - SarcasmJam
Naw, we're winning.
Florida sucks.
"Southern PA - We don't boast about our weather, because we don't want you here." - SarcasmJam
by ReadingRambler on Dec 14, 2010 9:06 AM CST up reply actions
All right, Pelini!
You called down the thunder, well, now you’ve got it!
"Southern PA - We don't boast about our weather, because we don't want you here." - SarcasmJam
by ReadingRambler on Dec 14, 2010 9:08 AM CST up reply actions
Iowa Cheech & Chong Award.
To the best stoner on the team.
by Stay thirsty, my friends. on Dec 14, 2010 9:13 AM CST up reply actions
Are there any Pasdaran on the team?
"Southern PA - We don't boast about our weather, because we don't want you here." - SarcasmJam
by ReadingRambler on Dec 14, 2010 9:17 AM CST up reply actions
Jesus
I miss one day, a fucking Monday, and all hell breaks lose.
Is it worth wading through a thousand comments in the other thread? I’m guessing not
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
I think there may be 8 comments in the other thread that discuss the press release.
Everything else was just people losing their mind while awaiting the news.
by The Mexican't on Dec 14, 2010 9:25 AM CST up reply actions
I'm still looking for my mind...
It was lost somewhere in that thread you are talking about.
by hawkeye_heartattack on Dec 14, 2010 9:27 AM CST up reply actions
And apparently some guys at Iowa
have my property professor for Trusts & Estates. Small world.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
and fucking meat baby
Perhaps my best years are gone... but I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
by jebushchrist on Dec 14, 2010 9:27 AM CST up reply actions
Between this
and the new conference names / logo I’m starting off this day in a bad mood
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
by chitownhawkeye on Dec 14, 2010 9:30 AM CST up reply actions
It's not
Just know that Jewel transferred, A-Rob is suspended for the Insight, there’s a presser today and there was a metric hell ton of speculation and guessing.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
definite no
No, don’t go in there. You nifty never get out. Pv’s summary above is correct. We for sure have lost the rbs for the bowl and we’re waiting to see exactly why this has taken so long over several days and releases as well as why barta is sitting in today. The latter items lend more credence to the rumors that this could be bigger than we want.
I've been in love (truly) with five women, the Spanish Republic and the 4th Infantry Division.
by sailorjerry on Dec 14, 2010 9:28 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
HOLY SHIT!
It is mostly cloudy and 10 degrees F in Des Moines!
by hawkeye_heartattack on Dec 14, 2010 9:24 AM CST reply actions
Its all good
the sun just came up in Omaha.
by GodDam_Hawkeyes on Dec 14, 2010 9:26 AM CST up reply actions
Among other things
Barta and Ferentz owe an apology to employers everywhere…. Least productive two days EVER.
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Dec 14, 2010 9:32 AM CST reply actions
30 minutes and counting till
- DJK expulsion is explained
- 23 players are suspended
- Barta offers new specially reduced price on Insight Bowl tickets ($9.99/ea.)
- New position for Norm Parker in athletic department is announced (Figure Head)
- ARob transfer is announced
- Ferentz hands over resignation
- Todd Lickliter releases a statement that says, “See?!?”
- BHGP goes dark
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
if this happens
you can find me in a dark room with knees pulled against my chest rocking uncontrollably and sobbing.
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Dec 14, 2010 9:35 AM CST up reply actions
Barta announces
Steve Alford has been hired to replace Ferentz?
Is there a big switch or a big red button
Labeled “BHGP Emergency Shutdown” somewhere? Might want to say close. This is how meltdowns happen.
At Jacobi's house
behind a secret panel in the liquor cabinet.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Shouldn't that read
In Jacobi’s mom’s basement, behind the Dungeon & Dragons game sets.
/media dismissal of bloggers’d
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Speaking of him.
Where’s Sam Brownlee on the depth chart right now?
Also, Dude, Chinamen is not the prefered nomenclature. Asian-American, please.
by Settles'7thYearOfEligibility on Dec 14, 2010 9:35 AM CST up reply actions
Is there a level above 'Red'?
Also, Dude, Chinamen is not the prefered nomenclature. Asian-American, please.
by Settles'7thYearOfEligibility on Dec 14, 2010 9:39 AM CST up reply actions
I thought it was argyle.
But on second thought, I think that may have been the Ball State fear meter.
by The Mexican't on Dec 14, 2010 9:41 AM CST up reply actions
Der.
"Southern PA - We don't boast about our weather, because we don't want you here." - SarcasmJam
by ReadingRambler on Dec 14, 2010 9:42 AM CST up reply actions
When you google Paki Meter
this is what you get: Pakistan meter suppliers on alibaba.com.
WWST?
(what would Stanzi think?)
by GodDam_Hawkeyes on Dec 14, 2010 9:42 AM CST up reply actions
You realize, of course, that the KCCI server is going to crash at 9:59.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
Paisley?
Also, Dude, Chinamen is not the prefered nomenclature. Asian-American, please.
by Settles'7thYearOfEligibility on Dec 14, 2010 9:42 AM CST reply actions
Reply fail.
That’s for the Paki Meter
Also, Dude, Chinamen is not the prefered nomenclature. Asian-American, please.
by Settles'7thYearOfEligibility on Dec 14, 2010 9:43 AM CST reply actions
Off-Topic
Don’t try to sell your Templeton Rye online…
http://www.kcci.com/news/26127878/detail.html
by hawkeye_heartattack on Dec 14, 2010 9:43 AM CST reply actions
I just picked up case last week
-Dante Bichette/Troy Tulowitzki
-John Elway/Ryan Clady?
-Dikembe Mutumbo/Nene
-Peter Forsberg/Statsny
by waterboy31321 on Dec 14, 2010 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
Then his boss
told him to take it into the stock room and put it by the Budweiser
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
I hope this is worth it
I just blazed through a final faster than the football team..well…nevermind.
To quote John Lennon "You may say I'm a dreamer. But I'm not."-Dinner for Schmucks.
by Pain in the Sash on Dec 14, 2010 9:44 AM CST reply actions
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