The Takeaway: Indiana
Sure, Iowa just beat Indiana, 18-13. But what was so important about beating Indiana? How much do we really know? What does it all mean, Basil? The Takeaway has the answer.
It can go away just like that. The specter of Damario Belcher's dropped pass on 4th down will haunt the Indiana program for a long time to come. It's the type of play that never leaves a fan's psyche, much less a player's. Belcher makes that catch 90-95% of the time, and even that might be unnecessarily conservative. For whatever reason--and Belcher himself probably couldn't tell us, which gives you an idea of how seriously to take the armchair psychologists on this one--he didn't make the play with the game on the line on Saturday. Fortunately, Bill Lynch had the good sense not to send Belcher out for interviews immediately afterward.
It would be overly critical of Iowa football to point out the sheer improbability of Belcher's failure (and thus, of Indiana's loss, lest we think Stanzi had another 3-play touchdown drive left in him) and not the equally improbable confluence of events that led to Wisconsin's 31-30 win at Kinnick just two weeks prior. This stuff just happens sometime, and no matter how good the coach or the quarterback or the entire team is, sometimes you're the dog, and sometimes you're the hydrant. That's why it's so insane to pin one's hopes and expectations on the highest of goals any year, much less year after year. There's too much instability and too much luck involved in the course of a season for any of that.
This running game might not have missed Adam Robinson this week, but Kirk Ferentz apparently did. Marcus Coker had himself a whale of a weekend, going for 129 yards on 22 carries. He ran over tacklers on multiple occasions and looked Big Ten-ready as of, well, now. Doubtless, he's got some learning to do in terms of blitz pickup, blocking schemes, general playbook what-have-you, but that's true of just about any true freshman, and we don't have any reason to doubt Coker's capability of progressing there.
But the thing of it is, Coker didn't rush for any touchdowns, and that's because he didn't exactly get much of a chance. Ross did a perfectly cromulent job of running down Iowa's playcalling in the red zone, but it's just worth reiterating: Coker had three rushes at the 10-yard line and inside (and none inside the 8), while Ricky Stanzi went 1-6 for no touchdowns and one whole yard in that same area (blood red zone? or is that too emo/shitty metal?). Nobody else had any rushes in that area, either. Indiana had to be happy about that development.
Then again, that's not exactly a surprise; recall that when Northwestern knocked Shonn Greene out of the game back in 2008 and Iowa had a first-and-goal with the game on the line, Ferentz called four straight passes en route to the loss. He clearly doesn't trust backup running backs when he doesn't have to, and while it didn't cost Iowa the game this time, it certainly could (and should) have. Coker's a really big dude. He deserved at least more than a third of the looks inside Indiana's 10.
At any rate, unless Robinson's concussion is worse than anyone's letting on, this is a one-week problem. Yes, we're leery about bringing back a kid from a concussion after he only sits one game out, but this appeared to be a minor concussion and A-Rob's probably going at least 10 days without any contact at all. Ideally, he'd sit another week, but if trainers can't find any symptoms, Ferentz isn't going to keep Robinson on the bench against Northwestern. We can debate the long-term logic of this later.
If you need a drive, The President Of The United State Of Iowa can give you a drive. For the seventh time in his college career, Ricky Stanzi led the Hawkeyes on a fourth quarter drive that either tied the game or gave the Hawkeyes the lead. Granted, not every one of those games resulted in an Iowa victory, but most did, and it only further solidified his status as one of the best 4th quarter QBs in Iowa history. Stanzi's drive on Saturday--15 yards to Derrell Johnson-Koulianos, 21 to DJK again, then a 52-yard post bomb to Marvin McNutt--was likely his magnum opus, except for the fact that it was so efficient, Indiana had time to retaliate without desperation. Tough problem to have, right?
It's something of a shame that Stanzi's sophomore season had to be split with Jake Christensen and that his freshman year went by without so much as a completion. Selfishly, when we see things like Adam Weber overtaking Chuck Long in career passing yards, after all, it sucks, because we know Stanzi's a better quarterback and, barring 1,000-yard games from here through the bowl game, Ricky won't even touch those career totals.
And yet, perhaps Iowa wouldn't be 17-3 in Stanzi's last 20 starts, and perhaps Stanzi wouldn't be 3rd in the nation in passing efficiency today, if it hadn't been for what challenges he faced to get behind center full-time in the first place. Perhaps he just plain wasn't ready as a freshman. Perhaps no quarterback could endure what Jake Christensen did in 2007 without having his timing and instincts permanently scarred. Whatever. It just sucks that Weber's going to go down as one of the most prolific quarterbacks in Big Ten history when he wasn't even the best BXI quarterback west of the Mississippi since the first half of 2008.
But again, tough problem for us as Iowa fans to have. Let's just enjoy the last four games of Stanzi's career in Iowa City and hope he and the rest of the seniors give us just as good of a season as the historic campaign last year. It's still within reach; time to go get it.
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That Adam Weber stat
is very, very depressing. I can’t think of a more overrated QB, as far as stats go. Maybe Phillip Rivers, but that’s just because he’s a giant douche.
I didn't order assholes with my whiskey
Just remember
all he’ll be is a trivia answer. And while there is no shame in that, I have to assume that every Gopher, Weber included, would trade those stats for wins. When he tells his grandkids that he was the most proliffic passer in the Big Ten, he’ll have to duck any questions about wins or bowl games.
I feel bad for the kid.
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Nov 8, 2010 7:56 AM CST up reply actions
It's not like anyone actually thinks Adam Weber has been any good
Even the most hardcore of Gopher fans acknowledge that he’s pretty bad. The only statistical areas where he looks good at raw counting stats, and that’s just a combination of sheer number of games played and a more pass happy modern era. There are many other metrics that can be used to show how bad he actually is. It’s just one of several examples of the flaws in relying too much on counting stats, so I guess I don’t get too worked up on it.
I'm old enough to remember:
Jeff George and his bloated stats, ego, and douchery.
Who's leg do I have to hump to get a drink around here?-Brian
And ridiculously long NFL career
That jerk
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Nov 8, 2010 4:37 PM CST up reply actions
I don't see any way someone can't say Rivers isn't completely awesome at plaing football if (s)he is telling the truth.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
If Philip Rivers were an Iowa alum, we'd all love him unconditionally.
The dude is good. Criticisms of him are pretty universally irrelevant.
Ceci n'est pas un blogue.
Well you could say
He’s been on one of the most talented team for the past 4 years, and has led them pretty much nowhere, yeah he’s won like 3 playoff games, but he hasn’t really lived up to the hype, in my opinion, like the other two prominent QBs in his draft class( Eli Manning and
Ben Roethlisberger). Both of whom have led their teams to a Super Bowl, and in Big Ben’s case two. Being awesome at football is more than just stats, it’s about being a great leader as well, and to me Phillip Rivers is just a taller and more animated version of Drew Tate.
I didn't order assholes with my whiskey
by White Lightning on Nov 9, 2010 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
You are so wrong
I’m not even going to use logic in refuting your arguments…I’m just going to tell you that you are very wrong…and then say this…“Nanananana boo boo”.
Well it's not the first time I've been called illogical
I am most likely wrong, but something about Phillip Rivers really bothers me. Just for shits and giggles, which point(s) do see as wrong? I only ask so that I can try and understand others viewpoints.
I didn't order assholes with my whiskey
by White Lightning on Nov 9, 2010 8:01 PM CST up reply actions
1.) 4 QBs have one Superbowls since Rivers became a starter. 2 of those happened to be from the same draft class as him…but the only others were Peyton Manning and Drew Brees (granted if I were a SD fan it would chap my ass a little bit to know that Brees has been so good…but let’s remember that almost nobody would sign Rivers after SD let him go).
2.) Since Rivers has been the starting QB there records have been:
14-2
11-5
8-8
13-3
(4-5 so far this year)
3.) They have made the playoffs every single season under Rivers. I’m not going to look it up…but I can’t imagine there are many starting QBs who can say the same thing in the same timespan…and the list would be made up of pretty f’n good players.
4.) They’ve won 3 playoff games. I’m not going to look it up…but I can’t imagine too many starting QBs have won more…and the list would be made up of pretty f’n good players.
5.) Being awesome at football is about winning football games…which is pretty fucking hard to do in the NFL and few are better at it than RIvers.
6.) Can you name one player to catch a pass from Rivers last week? Rivers threw for 295 yds, 4 tds, 1 int…and got a total of 77 rushing yards…in a victory.
7.) While he has played on good teams…I would not call them elite by an means…and one of the reasons why they are considered so talented is because of their QB. As I recall the common notion that they are uber-talented didn’t take a hit at all when they lost all-everything RB Tomlinson.
8.) Your final comment was what put me over the top…it was asinine and unecessary and was the reason for my initial response.
thanks for the response
You make some fair points, I know Rivers is a good QB, I guess I just don’t understand why everybody (ESPN and the like) thinks the guy is the greatest QB in the world. I guess its my own jaded expectations of what an “Elite” QB is, to me, elite means you’ve won a Super Bowl, and/or a couple of MVPs.
My comparison to Drew Tate was probably uncalled for, but I’ve seen instances where Rivers would lose his cool, and take it out on his teammates, also I recall him going out on the field and taunting Jay Cutler during a timeout during his first or second year. I’m a Colts fan so I guess I’ve been used to Peyton for the most part just going about his business.
I didn't order assholes with my whiskey
by White Lightning on Nov 9, 2010 9:21 PM CST up reply actions
I've always held Peyton Manning in the highest regard
I think it’s fair to say that Manning is the best QB ever…maybe not definitively…but the argument can certainly be made. I understand what you’re saying about him acting like a jackass at times…and I oftentimes want to feel the same way about Brett Favre…but I try not to let that cloud my judgment as far as how good of a QB he is/was…because he’s certainly on the list with Manning of possible best QBs of all time.
agreed
I didn't order assholes with my whiskey
by White Lightning on Nov 9, 2010 9:53 PM CST up reply actions
Two days later, that BTN announcer still thinks the ref waving his arms incomplete means it was TOUCHDOWN HOOSIERS.
I really don’t know what else to say. I’ve seen Iowa and PSU play this kind of crappy game against many, many teams. The only real difference is how close it was at the end. And it still didn’t feel like it was in doubt.
"This is how I chill, ma'am."
Beat Ohio State.
I don't want to question BHGP's
analysis of Ferentz red zone play calling but is it possible that the coaches were thinking that it may be better to trust their 5th year senior QB over the first time starting, true freshman RB who was playing in his first big ten road game. In hind sight they probably should have given Coker a shot but I could understand why they may think differently in the moment.
Ambition is the willingness to kill the things you love and eat them to stay alive.
Agreed.
Stanzi was off on those passes, but they were there. Maybe Coker could have pounded one in there, but Indiana seemed to be playing the run, so putting in the hands of your senior QB makes sense.
"Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
Somewhat disagree
While I respect your opinion, and it’s probably dead on, I am not sure why they didn’t keep riding the horse that got them into the red zone in the first place. Maybe they were giving him a rest, or didn’t feel like Coker was the answer in the red zone, but it was slightly frustrating watching Iowa get inside the twenty 4 times, using coker, and then not give him the ball.
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Bret Bielema is a damned red-commie traitor.
For my personal peace of mind, I’ve decided Kirk wanted to make sure they came away with points. Field was compressed, jammed at the line of scrimmage, Kirk told the Americanzi to take no chances with a turnover. This weekend demonstrated again that winning on the road is tough, even if you’re playing a shitty team. It’s not like they didn’t move the ball, and pre-kickoff if you’d been told IU would score 13, well, hell, I would have taken that. It’s not like the red zone failure from Saturday is a trend. Ask the greater and the lesser Stoops how they feel this morning. Iowa can still play in the Rose Bowl, with some help.
Team should have better attention for jNW this weekend as a result, plus they’ll have the added juju of a BHGP roadtrip and the jNW dude was talking trash on here more than a week before the game.
Ball security is my guess, too.
Ferentz puts a lot of stock in seniority, especially at the RB position. It’s why Paki O’Meara was your starting tailback vs. UNI in ‘09, and why he sent Daniel Murray to kick the game-winner against PSU. In a close game, especially on the road, Ferentz will put the game in the hands of his experienced players every time. I’m sure Ferentz felt the chance that a true freshman running back, who was clearly a bit gassed, would commit a costly turnover in the red zone was too great to risk it. And I’m OK with that.
America, you're looking good: handsome, free and tall.
by Close Shave America on Nov 8, 2010 9:47 AM CST up reply actions
Agree with your assessment but...
After seeing how far off Stanzi was with some of his throws on saturday the thought of him throwing for ball security had to have KF’s stomach in knots.
Who's leg do I have to hump to get a drink around here?-Brian
Ferentz's stomach is cast-iron.
I think he could beat Les Miles in a grass-eating competition.
America, you're looking good: handsome, free and tall.
by Close Shave America on Nov 8, 2010 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
Maybe eating the grass....
But if KF is eats grass over stretch play, bootleg or and end around with DJK or PC Jr….
The Hat chews his cud over funky fake FGs, wacky double reverses and other exotic Hayden Fry like gadgets…….
That being said… I agree with what the Kluginator says below….
by Ordinary Joe on Nov 8, 2010 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
People can disagree with a coach's calls but still understand
there are arguments for making the decisions that they made. Not everyone is going to make the same calls in the same situations; hell the same person won’t make the same call in every situation; but that doesn’t make their decisions wrong, just different.
Ambition is the willingness to kill the things you love and eat them to stay alive.
Sure.
Personally, while I still wish they’d given Coker a few more opportunities to score, I can understand the logic behind passing the ball — and certainly Stanzi has been very successful throwing the ball in the red zone this year (the Indiana game aside). Some of the actual passing plays called were a little too low-percentage, IMO. I understand the appeal of fade routes, especially with a guy like McNutt, but they’re not particularly high-percentage pass plays.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Exactly
And it almost seemed as if Iowa’s use of tight end didn’t exist on saturday.
Who's leg do I have to hump to get a drink around here?-Brian
Except for the two or three throws to Reisner and Herman (I suppose that could have been Morse)
in the red zone that were stuffed for under ten yards.
"Yeah, and that’s bullshit, cause Boise plays Kirkwood every other weekend".
Smokin' Herb Grigsby's Mom (+1, I say)
I didn't think KOK's decisions were wrong
If they had scored a touchdown (and they were darn close on a few of those throws) we wouldn’t even be talking about the play-calling. I am not and try not to be one of those people that complain about the play-calling of our OC, because lets face it, if we went out and executed what was called it wouldn’t matter. I’m just voicing my frustrations with the lack of success in the red zone in this past game.
Welcome to Ohiowa, the great potato state!
Bret Bielema is a damned red-commie traitor.
Meanwhile in an Evanston lab...
The evil Pat Fitzgerald is mixing up a toxic plan to once again topple the Hawkeyes. God I hate jNW…
His secret plan
involves smearing caviar on Stanzi’s ankle to attract the jNW defenders.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
by Flakbait on Nov 8, 2010 9:38 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
I guarantee his plan is to have the linebackers put as many high impact hits on A Robinson as possible.
They won’t be practicing stripping the ball, or wrapping up, just high impact hits.
Their defensive gameplan is always dirty.
by HawkeyeRecon on Nov 8, 2010 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
I have rejoiced at Iowa knocking QBs out of games
in years past…and I’ve heard more than a few people on here discuss the merits and effectiveness of bringing the wood against Denard Robinson as a means to get him out of the game.
I don’t like injuries no matter which side they occur on…but I do like it when we out-physical the other teams players to the point where they don’t want to play with us anymore (see Clay, John 2009).
Mostly I’ve heard it with regard to NFL defenses…but I’ve heard many defenders speak openly about trying to hurt (not injure) the other team’s QB/RB/WR. IMO it’s not dirty…it’s football.
This was a good wake-up call for the team
I am sure they will be practicing with heart, purpose, focus and execution this week.
Ambition is the willingness to kill the things you love and eat them to stay alive.
I'd like to say something very philosophical about this game, so here goes...
We won. Get over it. Let’s move forward.
"America loves a winner, and will not tolerate a loser."--Gen. George Patton
You clearly missed the memo
that the “get over it” meme has been replaced with “eat shit and die.”
Ambition is the willingness to kill the things you love and eat them to stay alive.
Deal with it.

Going, going, going, going, going, going, going, going.... Alright, I'll stop for now.
by EnergizerHawk on Nov 8, 2010 4:13 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
BTW...
any word on the trash talking after the final kneel down? On TV, seemed Stanzi was trying to push his men off the field then he, himself, whirled around and started barking. Sure would like to hear some “inside baseball” on that incident.
"America loves a winner, and will not tolerate a loser."--Gen. George Patton
Apparently
One of the Indiana guys congratulated the Hawks on the close win, so a Hawkeye suggested they all sing “Star Spangled Banner”. An Indiana player said he would rather do “America The Beautiful” and the guys started arguing about which song was better. Stanzi got upset and said they needed to stop fighting because they were both awesome songs and they should just sing both of them…. but by then the moment was lost.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
by Flakbait on Nov 8, 2010 9:53 AM CST up reply actions 8 recs
Troubling trend...
In our two losses and one near loss, we had the lead and allowed a 60+ yard drive by the opponent to win/nearly win. Going into the season, I never thought I would have more confidence in the offense’s two-minute drill than the defense’s. I know bend, don’t break (only gave up 13) – but sometimes you have to get off the field or need a 3 and out to win. I’m not sayin’, I’m just sayin’.
We won. Eat shit and die. Let's move forward.
Ambition is the willingness to kill the things you love and eat them to stay alive.
True story
I will take that as my cue to quit complaining. Lets get ready for jNW and the evil fitzgerald
Welcome to Ohiowa, the great potato state!
Bret Bielema is a damned red-commie traitor.
Don't start this, please.
People want to talk about the game. Don’t be a douchebag about it.
Ceci n'est pas un blogue.
by Adam Jacobi on Nov 8, 2010 11:19 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I was not trying to be a douche bag but
regretfully it is one of those natural tendencies I try hard to get past. I definitely don’t want to quash discussion. While it was meant as playful banter, I guess I could see how someone could interprate eat shit and die to mean something else. This is the problem with the internet where playful banter can come across a little cold.
Ambition is the willingness to kill the things you love and eat them to stay alive.
And if I might add...
my initial post was not meant to stifle discussion of Iowa football as it pertains to ugly games but, rather, the COMPLAINING about Iowa football as it pertains to anything. I think it is unseemly for Hawks fans to question the heart and desire of this season’s players when they so obviously—at least to me—bringing their best effort with every snap. Yes, they have been bested at times, but that was due to injury, graduation or inexperience not due to lack of desire or heart.
That said, God, do I hope they crush Just NorthWestern Sparty-style.
"America loves a winner, and will not tolerate a loser."--Gen. George Patton
And this season so far beats the hell out of any of the 20 years of losing seasons
People are getting spoiled LOL
Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more cowbell!!
by The Bird Cult on Nov 8, 2010 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
We only lost three starters on D...
…but its become clear that Spievey, Edds and Angerer were absolutely critical components of our defense last year. I don’t mean that they were underrated, but I think everyone expected the next group of LBs to be just as good, and that the remaining secondary would be able to pick up the slack. Clearly that hasn’t happened. Granted, we’ve been hit with injuries at linebacker (AILBHG?), but overall the level of play just hasn’t been as high as last year. And our defense really, really misses that.
On the other side of the coin, we’ve definitely been able to recover at O-Line. Aside from a few horror show moments (Arizona) they’ve been surprisingly consistent, and after 9 games we’re only about 50 yards shy of our total rushing yardage for the entire 2009 season. Some of that is Robinson, and a slightly higher number of rushes-per-game (36.8 vs. 34.9 last year), but it’s clear that we haven’t missed Bulaga & Co. as much as we thought we would.
Our defense has still been pretty solid this year. But it’s clearly tough to tell who’s replaceable and who isn’t. Next year, will we miss Clayborn as much as we think we will? Stanzi? DJK? Time will tell.
America, you're looking good: handsome, free and tall.
by Close Shave America on Nov 8, 2010 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
forget the graduation loss of Edds and Angerer
we are also missing the experience of Tarp, Johnson and Nielsen and relying on a true freshman and a redshirt freshman starting at LB who should be special teams understudies this season rather than calling the defensive schemes in the heart of the B10 schedule. That said, the defense and offense have not lost us a single game this year; the two losses come down to very poor special teams efforts.
Ambition is the willingness to kill the things you love and eat them to stay alive.
LBs
I think it was pretty well agreed that even before the injuries to Tarp and Nielsen that the LBs weren’t really playing as well as we had hoped. I will admit that, prior to the season, I highly underestimated how hard it would be to replace Edds and Angerer. I certainly didn’t think the new guys would simply step in and play just as well, but I didn’t think the drop off would be as steep as it was.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
Injuries happen every season
and frankly…I think we’ve been fairly fortunate to not get hit worse this year. By my count we’ve had a shitstorm of injuries to our LBs…and we’ve had Hampton…and one game with Robinson…and a couple games missed at RG…and Clayborn has missed no time but has been hampered by a leg injury…and that’s about it…after this many games I would say we’ve done pretty well in the injury department this year. It’s certainly been much worse in most years past.
Another 'Heart Stopping' Win Over Indiana
For the past two years we’ve seen surprising, and palpitating battles with the Hoosiers. One other that I can add to the list was the ’82 game in Bloomington. A Hawk defensive back made a perfect, touchdown saving tackle at the 2 yard line as time expired. I was sitting near that endzone at the goal line and remember my anxiety attack followed by jubilation.
I had an epiphany, round about the time Michigan and Illinois broke the 120 points (that would be slightly over the over) mark.
You know, absolutely anything could happen against Wisconsin in two weeks. Michigan really could score 75, and only give up 74. And then we are in full control of our season and the shot at the Rose Bowl, provided we find a way to win our second game in a row in an empty stadium.
Yes, I am now, and once again, a bigtime Michigan fan.
Mr. Boh Knows ...
Stop it.
Stop it.
I want Michigan’s final record to be 6-7 with a meaningless bowl game to show for it. I want three Wisconsin running backs over 100 yards (Possible? You betcha.). I want Scott Tolzien to throw for 300 yards. I want Bret Bielema to stand around and look incompetent. Wait, that’s a given. I want posts from MGOBLOG about how the evil and mysterious turnover ruined UM’s shot at a huge upset.
I also think Indiana and NW stand a better chance at an upset.
"This is how I chill, ma'am."
Beat Ohio State.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2010 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
After their scoring 65, I conclude that RichRod is coming back no matter what.
So we might as well get some use out of them.
They have their argument now for retaining him — he’s as good as Chip Kelly at scoring — so they’ll convince themselves that a different DC will make them great again.
Anyway, enough speculation. Northwestern loves to beat us and seems to do so more than is reasonable. And it’s a December bowl game for us unless we beat them and OSU.
Mr. Boh Knows ...
I think we are going to have to score
35 points to beat Northwestern. I think Persa will do well against the Iowa defense. They are like Arkansas State with a bit more talent. Unless some wrinkles are put in, Iowa’s linbackers are going to have to all have close to career days to stop them from scoring 28 points. Also, Northwestern has an awful kicker so they will be playing very agressive on this one. More than a handful of times I expect them to go for it on 4th down.
This could be a three man rush all game for Iowa.
As for Michigan, I think it all depends on the first quarter against the Badgers. If they can start strong and get the Badgers out of the run game, then it feels comfy for Michigan. If this is a grind it out 10 play drive badger day, then I’m not too optimistic Rich Rod can overcome them.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
If we are going to beat jNW, we have to learn to stop
their 5 yard slants
jNW has killed us the past few years with it, and we never learn. I swear they have 4 plays in their playbook when they play Iowa and we can never figure it out. its infuriating.
by IrishHawkeye7 on Nov 8, 2010 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
The Defense gave up 10 points to jNW last year.
I would say they were pretty effectively stopped…
by SallyMason on Nov 8, 2010 2:01 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The D didn't lose that game.
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Nov 8, 2010 4:57 PM CST up reply actions
They were in disarray with the QB spot
and once Stanzi went down they knew they had to just hang on…they did a Ferentz and shut it down. This year is totally different — last year we had WAY better linebacker and Spievey.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Should have mentioned that
Kafka was injured and Persa was only slightly more experienced that Vandenberg.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Also Persa is far more mobile
Which has the tendancy of masking inexperience QBs.
It's not that I'm lazy, Bob, it's that I just don't care
Have you watched our linebackers and defensive ends?
I will be disappointed if Iowa gives up more than 24 (They missed a field goal against us).
"This is how I chill, ma'am."
Beat Ohio State.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2010 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
But, back to Michigan. I really want Michigan to lose it’s remaining games. And, of course, D Robinson is going to start this weekend after getting hit in the head against IL, his shoulder broken against Iowa, and whatever else. Nevertheless, I could certainly see them beating Wisconsin. Bielema will have them tight as shit for the rest of the year, and I can see them getting 2 scores down to that dumb fuck. Of course, this scenario is all predicated on Iowa winning this weekend, and next. Otherwise, fuck Michigan, Wisconsin and tOSU.
Can't we just like, um, disable Persa in lieu of having to hold NU under 30?
Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more cowbell!!
by The Bird Cult on Nov 8, 2010 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
You thinkin' carbomb?
"Yeah, and that’s bullshit, cause Boise plays Kirkwood every other weekend".
Smokin' Herb Grigsby's Mom (+1, I say)
Nah, just gluing his delicate parts together. That would be kind of distracting.
Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more cowbell!!
by The Bird Cult on Nov 8, 2010 11:14 PM CST up reply actions
Oh. And I've got the IRA on speed dial for no good reason.
"Yeah, and that’s bullshit, cause Boise plays Kirkwood every other weekend".
Smokin' Herb Grigsby's Mom (+1, I say)
Since the Big Ten has roughly a kajillion January bowl games now, we probably would still make one at 8-4.
But your point is still well-taken — to get to a high-quality bowl game, wins against jNW and OSU are a must.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
The Bowls - because it's never too early
Rose Bowl – Jan 1, 1:30 pst
Cap One – Jan 1, 1:00 est
Outback Bowl – Jan 1, 1:00 est
Gator Bowl – Jan 1, 1:30 est
Insight Bowl – Dec 28, 8:00 mst
Texas Bowl – Dec 29, 5:00 cst
Dallas Football Classic – Jan 1, 11:00 cst
Pizza! Pizza! – Dec 26 – 8:30 est
If you look at the times, we get a log jam on Jan 1. Which sucks.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
I would be surprised if an 8-4 Iowa team slipped past the Gator Bowl.
But who knows.
And, yeah, it does seem really dumb to have 3 BXI bowls on at basically the same time (CapOne, Outback, Gator), another that will for sure overlap (Dallas Football Classic), and another that might (Rose Bowl, depending on how long the 1pm EST bowls go).
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
You know, I really don't care what bowl as long as it ain't Deetroit...
Because I’m seriously thinking of going this year… I’ll be the nerdy guy there. You can’t possibly miss me.
Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more cowbell!!
by The Bird Cult on Nov 8, 2010 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
Sounds like a new Big Ten Network sponsor.
This Big Ten Bowl Season brought to you by Depends undergarments.
by Abbas_Cincinnatus on Nov 8, 2010 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
How did we get to 8-4?
Man, I take an hour off to do some actual work at work and come back to find we have lost 2 more games??? What the hell. Am I gonna have to deal with it and move on?
Ambition is the willingness to kill the things you love and eat them to stay alive.
No, its OK to talk about it. ;)
Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more cowbell!!
by The Bird Cult on Nov 8, 2010 5:31 PM CST up reply actions
Does he get to pick the variety of shit ingested before death?
It only seems fair.
Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more cowbell!!
by The Bird Cult on Nov 8, 2010 11:15 PM CST up reply actions
I sure hope that meme doesn't stick to me.
Ambition is the willingness to kill the things you love and eat them to stay alive.
No way you guys play in December
Our top three non-BCS games (CapOne, Outback, Gator) are all New Year’s games.
my thing about big 10 teams
is that any hate for any of them i had during the season is over by bowl season. during bowl season they are repping the big 10, and there mistakes make us all look good. for instance, iowa destroys south carolina, great, but the big ten sucks because no one else won a damn bowl, now even though iowa won we suck and got lucky.
so i hope Michigan destroys whoever they face, same with illinois, penn state, michigan state, wisconsin, whomever is in a bowl.
the exception is ohio state, i hope they lose by 70.
by justsomehawkeyefan on Nov 8, 2010 8:39 PM CST reply actions
Uhhhhhh, I’m a little different. I’ll root for MSU (thanks SpartanDan), PSU, then it drops off pretty quick. I begrudgingly want Wisconsin to win, and never want Michigan to win as long as RRod is there (nor if they hire Harbaugh), and very much enjoy jNW bowl O-fers. Situational depending on opponent for the rest.
I have a name for anyone who uses bowl records as the be-all, end-all of conference superiority.
That name is “moron”.
Despite that, I don’t have any particular hatred for most of the Big Ten. I’ll usually root for them over out-of-conference teams; they may be bastards, but they’re our bastards, dammit! Even Michigan and Ohio State on occasion (mainly to shut up the aforementioned morons, although sometimes they’ll manage to get drawn against a team I hate at least as much – see Miami 2002).
Bradley-Terry ratings for college football and basketball
Because there aren't enough computer rankings already.
I dont do it
i just live in an area where everyone does, and the last thing i want to hear is how great the SEC is and how bad the big 10 sucks AGAIN for a whole year. i know its a suprise, but it gets old.
so if a winning bowl record for the big ten shuts them up (and it does, been a quiet year) then by all means go big ten.
by justsomehawkeyefan on Nov 9, 2010 1:51 AM CST up reply actions

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