Iowa 18, Indiana 13: The Ugliest Win Is Still Better Than The Prettiest Loss
by RossWB on Nov 7, 2010 9:42 AM CST
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PrintSo that was ugly.
* Red zone, more like plague zone. Football games are so complex that you can rarely boil them down to a single, deciding factor -- and then there's a game like yesterday's, where the red zone offense stands head and shoulders above the rest as the factor in explaining why the game was the way it was. Iowa got inside the Indiana 10-yard line on four separate occasions yesterday; they came away with all of nine points from those trips. If you're looking for one reason why that game was an uncomfortably close affair and not a one-sided rout, look no further. It doesn't take a genius to see that if you're settling for field goals that often, you're going to make it damn hard on yourself to win.
So what went wrong? On the surface, Iowa's offensive stats look fine -- great, even. 22 first downs, 445 yards of offense, 290 yard passing, 155 yards rushing, only two punts all day... they certainly had no trouble moving the ball between the 20s; they just hit a brick wall when they got inside the Indiana 20-yard line. So what was the problem? There's no silver bullet: it was a toxic cocktail of bad playcalling, bad execution, inopportune penalties, and (to be fair) a little good defense on Indiana's part. The playcalling has taken a lot of flak, and not without reason.
RZ Opportunity #1: incomplete, incomplete, incomplete, 23-yard FG (made)
RZ Opportunity #2: rush for 4, rush for 4, incomplete, rush for -1, incomplete, 27-yard FG (made)
RZ Opportunity #3: rush for 12, timeout, rush for 1, pass for 1, incomplete, 22-yard FG (missed)
RZ Opportunity #4: rush for 2, incomplete, penalty for -5, penalty for -5, timeout, pass for 8
After riding Coker to the cusp of the end zone on the first drive, Iowa opted for three straight passes -- all incomplete. On the second drive, after Coker got them to the Indiana 9, they opted for two passes and only one run. On the third drive, after Coker got the ball to the Indiana 5, they opted for two straight passes. Granted, rushing Coker wasn't a guaranteed fix for Iowa's red zone woes -- half of his six RZ carries went for two yards or less. But when you're that close and you have a big running back that punishing and you have an offensive line that's been doing a pretty good job... well, a few more runs don't seem too outlandish.
But playcalling alone wasn't to blame for all of the red zone woes. Iowa may have gone fade route-happy near the red zone, but with slightly better throws from Stanzi, those are touchdowns -- the receivers were open. Similarly, you can't completely ignore the efforts of the Indiana defense; overall, they're not a good unit and they weren't even particularly good on the whole yesterday, but in the red zone they did make a few tackles and stops that, in other games, against other teams, could have been (and have been) touchdowns.
So do we take much out of Iowa's miserable red zone offense yesterday? Probably not. Until yesterday, they'd had a pretty exceptional offense in the red zone and people were (rightly) lauding Ken O'Keefe for dialing up the right plays at the right times in those situations. One of the reasons Meyer was able to almost double his season total for field goals made yesterday was because the Iowa offense had been so efficient about turning red zone opportunities into touchdowns. One bad performance shouldn't totally overshadow a season's worth of work.
* MOAR COKER. Both in the context of this particular game and in the context of the season as a whole, really. Clearly, if Adam Robinson is healthy, he should be the starter and get the bulk of the carries -- he's undoubtedly the best running back on the team. But Coker has certainly showed enough that if A-Rob needs a rest, Coker can certainly handle 5-10 carries a game in relief. Yesterday, Coker had 22 carries for 129 yards, but despite blowing up for 102 yards on 15 carries in the first half, he was curiously absent from the second-half gameplan -- just 7 carries for 27 yards. Still, regardless of his bizarre disappearing act in the second half (which was certainly a function of a lack of opportunities, rather than anything he did wrong), he had a very fine day and became the third-straight true freshman running back to lead* Iowa in rushing yards against Indiana:
Jewel Hampton (2008): 22 carries, 114 yards, 3 TD
Brandon Wegher (2009): 25 carries, 118 yards, 3 TD
* -- Or almost lead; Greene had one more yard than Hampton in 2008.
There were definite echoes of Shonn Greene in Coker's hard-charging, punishing running yesterday and it should be a lot of fun to see him grow and develop over the next few years.
* Defense? Game-saving stop? Whenever you're ready... On the whole, it's hard to find too much fault with the Iowa defense yesterday -- they held Indiana's high-powered offense to just 313 yards and 13 points and largely contained Ben Chappell -- 27/46, 222 yards, 0/1 TD/INT. They forced a turnover and five Indiana punts -- not a bad day's effort. That said, Iowa won yesterday because the offense made the big plays in the fourth quarter and Stanzi rediscovered his fourth quarter mojo, not because the defense made the big stops. On Indiana's second-to-last drive, after forcing Indiana into 2nd-and-24, they allowed Indiana to get a first down and bleed more clock -- troublesome, since Iowa was still down 13-12 at that point and needed to get the ball back. On the final drive, the defense didn't force a turnover or make a key stop to win the game so much as they simply dodged a bullet when Belcher dropped that touchdown catch.
Look, did they play well on the whole? Yes. Should it have mattered what they did in the fourth quarter if the offense had taken care of business in the red zone? Nope. But for the third time this year, when they absolutely, positively needed to get a stop in the fourth quarter, they didn't quite get it done. It didn't cost them a win, as it did against Arizona and Wisconsin, but it's still a little troubling -- and further evidence that this team will go as far as the offense, not the defense, can take it.
* Just win, baby. For all the sturm und drang among the Iowa fanbase about yesterday's ugly win, it's important not to lose sight of the fact that it was a win. Nine teams ranked in the BCS top 25 lost yesterday -- Utah, Alabama, Oklahoma, Missouri, Arizona, South Carolina, Baylor, Florida State, and North Carolina State. All but three of them (Utah, South Carolina, Florida State) lost on the road. All but three of them (Utah, Baylor, Arizona) lost to a lower-ranked or unranked opponent. Two other top-ten teams (Nebraska and Wisconsin) struggled on the road against lesser opposition. All of which is to say: winning isn't always easy, no matter who you play. The only thing that matters in this case is getting the win and keeping hopes alive for another week.
This season is proving to be as chaotic as any season in recent memory, so just continuing to win and keep your head above water is an accomplishment that shouldn't be overlooked. Of those teams that lost, Utah, Alabama, Missouri, Arizona, and Baylor have seen their conference title (and, in the cases of Alabama and Utah, their national title) aspirations take significant, probably fatal, blows. For as ugly as yesterday's game was, Iowa still controls its own destiny in terms of the Big Ten title (although we need a bit of help to get to the Rose Bowl, obviously).
* Doffing the chapeau. Briefly, a tip of the hat to Kirk Ferentz for picking up win #100 as a college coach (88 of them have come at Iowa and they've all been appreciated -- even the ugly ones) and to Derrell Johnson-Koulianos for officially moving past Kevin Kasper into first on Iowa's all-time receptions list. Both men have had great careers at Iowa and been the source of countless good memories -- many thanks for your efforts, gentlemen.
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I voted for Meyer.
I figure between the FGs and bailing out our ST repeatedly by making tackles out around the 40, he deserves it.
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Nov 7, 2010 9:54 AM CST reply actions
Same here.
I really wanted to vote for Belcher, but I think Meyer deserves some credit. He was constantly asked to kick from the right hash (which is the harder one to make from), and after finally missing one, he bounced back nicely with the 42-yarder (is that his longest so far?). And while he shouldn’t ever have to make a tackle, he twice did a nice job of preventing a big return from turning into a game-breaking return. (If we had given up a kick return for a TD, I think we would have lost the game.)
I voted Coker
He was an absolute beast and carried the team on his shoulders for much of the day between the 20s in his first start as a true freshman. Next Man In.
Me, too
I know they gave player of the game to Stanzi, but I say if he had been more accurate, the game wouldn’t have been close – hit that deep ball to DJK and one or two of those fade routes and it’s a blowout.
Life is hard. It's really hard if you're stupid.
I voted for other, as in Autistic O'Keefe.
Autistic Ken keeps us humble.
"Iowa is like a flat Pennsylvania."
Beat Northwestern.
No pride goething before any fall here.
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Nov 7, 2010 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
going out on a limb here...
I didn’t have any problem with the play calling, at all. For whatever it is worth, I listened on radio, so I am lacking for sensory input. And I haven’t seen too many “highlights” of incomplete passes. My only disappointment is with execution.
I am really happy with what Coker did, I am mightily impressed and excited with the kid’s power. I was actually impressed with his power at the MSU game, which I saw in person. But, I think some of the first half success with the run might be due to IU defense expecting a show to be put on by Stanzi, DJK, McNutt. I know (some of us) were expecting that kind of offense, from the chatter here last week. If A-Rob starts against IU… he might not get the 100 yard rushing (half-time) stat that Coker did. But, that is all “what if” crap…
In the Red zone… you’ve got a senior quarterback… the second highest rated passer in the country… DJK… most prolific receiver ever from Iowa… McNutt… big, strong, huge hands, and shown great ability to get the TD. Then you have Indiana’s mediocre defense.
I liked the passing calls. From what I heard on the Radio (and read comments here) , the plays worked fine. Ricky didn’t have the touch and was just off the mark. I can’t disagree about a play call because of that. But, not every play that fails should be labeled a “bad call”. I also like that KOK kept his faith in Stanzi.
Nobody complains about the three passes, in a row, that went 88 yards and a TD. Come on KOK! Where’s that running game that’s worked so well? You had decent time left on the clock and time-outs… <completely sarcasm’d>
Man, that was an UGLY game though… It’s hard not to feel disappointed… this team is simply better than they looked yesterday.
Yeah.
It isn’t so much the play calling that was disappointing, but the offense seemed to fall into a quivering mass when in the red zone. Getting delay of game penalties (much less almost two in a row) in the red zone is unacceptable. What happened there? This is the boneheaded stuff that falls on the coaches and shouldn’t happen. Eh, I think O’Keefe has done a really good job of coaching this season, but the overall confusion in the offense that was displayed in the red zone yesterday was pretty bad.
Part of it too
Was that Stanzi broke the huddle on like the 8 yard line with about 9 seconds on the play clock and wandered to the line, called an audible, and never once looked at the play clock as it expired and he looked around, not even trying to snap the ball.
"Yeah, and that’s bullshit, cause Boise plays Kirkwood every other weekend".
Smokin' Herb Grigsby's Mom (+1, I say)
My vote goes to Meyer.
Mostly because of the last stat listed in the above poll. His two tackles bailed out the ST and probably saved the game.
I thought Morris did a hell of a job
we just may have a couple of LBs who are going to great. We’ll know in a couple of years, but I’m very optimistic.
I’ve had a bunch of rambling thoughts from yesterday, not just our game:
The Big 12 is a mess. Whoever wins their championship (I’m looking at you Nebraska) is going to need the extra practice time. I laughed at Texas. I’m sad Baylor lost. Who thought the 2nd team that Nebraska would be glad to see gone would be Iowa State?
We’re living in Oregon’s world right now. No, wait, let me rephrase, I’m becoming a believer. It’s not that they’re scoring a ton of points, it’s that they’re making some great half-time adjustments. I have no idea what they are, but they’re killing in the 2nd half.
As Les Miles’ latest stab at fourth-down trickery was about to unfold, the LSU coach bent down, snatched up some blades of grass — and ate them.
“I have a little tradition that humbles me as a man, that lets me know that I’m a part of the field and part of the game,” Miles said as a smile widened on his face. “You should have seen some games before this. I can tell you one thing: The grass in Tiger Stadium tastes best.”
- From the AP
Les has a good football team. But not a great one, and if I’m an opposing coach, I’ve got someone spying HIM at this point to call timeout when he eats grass. I’m only half kidding. I think to beat him you just have to assume that every punt or FG is fake. Forget trying to return or block them, just leave your normal defense in and make sure that each one of them knows to follow the ball. But damn it was good to see Alabama lose. A side note, I’ve been listening to the Mike Leach and Jack Arute show on Sirius when I’m in the car, not a bad show, both of them are decent, although I’d love to hear Leach let go of the PC speak a bit. Last week Jack let loose a bit after an Alabama fan called in basically telling them that people get completely turned off to your fanbase when you have this non-stop sense of entitlement. We see it with OSU, I can’t imagine how bad it is with Alabama fans. The ones who call the show, and the flaming pile of poo show that’s on after Jack’s show, are nearly insufferable. I’m beginning to really dislike Alabama fans.
I want to really be impressed by TCU’s win. I am impressed, but now I’m doubting Utah. I hope Utah destroys the domers next week.
There is no defense that I’ve seen so far that can stop the offenses that we’re seeing. It’s that sort of upswing, the defenses haven’t caught up. They will. But they haven’t. I see these freak athletes as QBs who can’t be stopped simply because technique doesn’t always beat talent at this level. In the NFL these guys get crushed. But here, tackling and gap control can be suspect enough to let them run wild. If RichRod is back, Denard won’t put up these numbers next year, everybody will have an extra year to figure him out. Same goes for Cam. Also, Gerg will be out at Michigan, but if this is what RichRod can do by taking a more active roll in the defense, then he needs to step back from that smoking crater and let somebody else run it.
Rittenberg’s 2nd point from “What we learned” is dead on:
Matt McGloin is Penn State’s quarterback: True freshman Rob Bolden might be the future, but McGloin is Penn State’s best option to win games right now.Listen to Bellanca. Listen to ReadingRambler. These guys are smarter than me, and they can see it.
I really hope that whatever happened for us on offense yesterday is out of their system. We can’t play like that again. Ok, maybe against Minnesota, but you know what I mean. Northwestern scares me as normal, and OSU will destroy us if we play like that. Coker looked good, but he needs to work on blocking, which isn’t a surprise. If we could keep RBs healthy, well, we’d have too many to use. Hopefully we can actually use some redshirts next year.
Holy hell, that’s a wall of text. Sorry.
It never gets to be easy
I think Morris is already doing pretty damn well.
And it should be really exciting to watch him for the next few years. I dunno about DiBona yet — he’s looked good at times and struggled pretty mightily at others. I’m sure he just needs more time. That said, as Tarp gets healthier, I could definitely see them sliding him over to Nielsen’s old spot and letting Morris remain at MLB. I think Tarp-Morris-Hunter is probably our best LB combo right now.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I had heard before the season
that Morris and Kirksey (I think…might have been Poggi) are really impressing the coaching staff and many believe that they’ll be a better tandem than Greenway and Hodge.
Kirksey and Poggi both got a little coaching staff love, pre-season (I think Kirksey got a little more though, and didn't Poggi have some injury?)...
…and Morris is the real deal. Last year he was the man among small boys, this year he’s looking like he’s 40 (“A MAN!”- – sorry for the bad joke). I can’t wait to see what he turns into with S&C (though he’s been doing the Doyle plan to some extent for a few years now, so I wonder if he’s already near his physical peak or if the sky’s the limit).
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Nov 7, 2010 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
The same thing
was said about Klink and Humpal, too, and that didn’t exactly come true. While the future at LB looks bright, we should let these kids develop before we go out and place outlandish expectations on them.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on Nov 7, 2010 12:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I don't know.
I remember that a lot of people felt that the linebacking corps would be in good hands with Klink and Humpal but I don’t know anyone really saying that they were an upgrade. From what I remember Klink and Humpal never really saw the field at LB until they were starting — both were pretty much special teams players up until that point. They were clearly physical but I don’t know how confident anyone really felt in their ability to play LB.
Morris might not have seen the field at LB if it weren’t for all of the injuries, but it seems pretty clear to me that he can play the position well. In all honesty, he reminds me of TMFS when he was a freshman. Sash played because he was a better option as a freshman than Dalton was as a senior (no disrespect) and he made some mistakes along the way (i.e. bringing an INT against ISU out of the endzone and stepping out of bounds at the two yard line) but he also had such obvious natural ability that he played himself into the starting role.
by Abbas_Cincinnatus on Nov 8, 2010 9:20 AM CST up reply actions
The hype for Klink/Humpal was generated by the coaches, actually - and Norm in particular.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
This.
And was it just me or did DiBona look better in run support than coverage? I like Morris as the QB of the D, but maybe the two should swap, cause Morris is excellent in coverage.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Nov 7, 2010 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
DiBona did seem to get burned on pass coverage a bit.
Not surprising, since he’s a RS freshman getting his first extensive reps.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I'm a TCU believer.
Utah is a very good team. Remember, they beat Pittsburgh (probably the best team in the Big East), they destroyed Iowa State in Ames (that’s a team that beat Texas, in the stadium where Nebraska barely pulled out a win), and while the rest of their schedule isn’t great, they’ve won them all pretty convincingly. For TCU to beat Utah like that, on the road, in front of a riled-up crowd, is very impressive. I can’t say that TCU should jump an undefeated Oregon or Auburn, but if one of them slips and TCU stays undefeated, I think they deserve to play for the national title. I’m less convinced that Boise State deserves a shot over a 1-loss team from a power conference. (Maybe I’m selling Boise short, though. I also thought TCU would beat Boise State soundly in the Fiesta Bowl last year.)
I have only seen one TCU game, early in the season against SMU.
They didn’t look overly impressive, but finally put it away in the 4th quarter. I would have liked to have seen the Utah game.
On the theme of a team that lost on the road to what should be an inferior team, I nominate UT which is showing ample of evidence of flat out quitting. Admirable, front-runners.
Anyway, I voted for Brett Greenwood. He would have run away with this week’s award if he’d snared the 3rd down pass at the goal line, like he was in position to. What crazy progress he’s shown over his Iowa career.
Finally, as Ross pointed out, it’s a win. Moving on down the road to jNW, where a bunch of you mofos will be next weekend.
I really like the title of this post.
Because I think it sums up the day that both the Hawkeyes and the Clones had yesterday. The ISU game reminded me somewhat of our OSU 09 game. They came back from two scores down and had a chance to win it at the end of regulation with under a minute to go. Decided to sit on it instead. Lost in the first OT. (In more heartbreaking fashion than iowa did however) Still we sit here today able to nit pick about what our team can do better while we still have hopes of Roses in January and Iowa State is still looking for that 6th win.
I voted for Coker, not because I think he was the best (Stanzi?), nor the most significant (McNutt) nor the most unlikely (Meyer).
But because I think that going forward, his performance will be the most important. I’ve been harping on the need for the coaching staff to trust another RB other than Robinson, if they want to minimize chances of injury, and I think (or maybe it’s just hope) that this will do it.
No player in today’s game should routinely take between 20-30 carries in the college game.
A) Fatigue is a huge, huge part of injuries. Whether it’s accumulated fatigue from the long season or that in just a single game, there is a point (and it’s highly individual, like pitching) where injury likelihood starts increasing exponentially.
B) No player should take that many continuous hits to the head in 4 hour period. While Robinson is especially good at NOT taking the brunt of the blow, he’s still a running back which tend to lead with their heads. And now that he’s already had one concussion deemed serious enough to sit him for an entire game when the coaching staff previously seemed afraid to sit him for a series, his chance of re-injury, and a serious one, rises dramatically.
There’s no magic number of course. Five carries for Coker per game may be plenty of rest for Robinson, or ten carries for Coker might not be enough. I just hope yesterday’s great performance by Coker leads the coaches to trust him enough to get somewhere in that range.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I don't disagree, but I think what the coaches saw yesterday...
…was a young guy who has problems with blocking and hitting holes as well as the starter, and who kept holding his arm/shoulder either because he got re-injured, or because his injury isn’t fully healed.
I think that’s what THEY saw.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Nov 7, 2010 11:25 AM CST up reply actions
RichRod disagrees with you.
Players with the last name “Robinson” can be hit THOUSANDS of times per game and have no risk of injury.
hah!
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I think the idea of limiting carries is nonsense.
If your premise is correct, the game needs to be shut down. Because linemen get hit 60 times per game. And if running backs cannot withstand contact in running the ball 30 times, what makes us scientifically sure that 10 times per game is okay?
I like Ferentz’ old school attitude, which is if you want a good back, give him the rock and wait for the fourth quarter, when all the great ones take over.
Mr. Boh Knows ...
You're comparing apples and oranges
Lineman are far larger, specifically for that reason – to withstand the pounding. Additionally, the collisions involving running backs generally occur at a much higher speed. Sure, if we have a 235 pound Shonn Greene, yes, he can handle damn near any amount of carries. But as guys are smaller, they can’t withstand that pounding.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
Not necessarily
Does it happen? Absolutely. But hand control is much more important. That’s why they come out of their stance with hands up.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
I agree.
Having been a defensive lineman in college, even when you bull rush, the first thing to hit should be your hands. There’s a significant difference (in my opinion) between a running back that has both arms covering the ball and is bent over to take the hit, which his head the only thing pointing up, and lineman whose first thought is to grab the shoulder pads with your hands.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Side note
this also depends on if we’re talking about injuries in general, or head injuries. While there is certainly a difference, there is still a difference in the extent of the trauma.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
I don't think it is.
Gladwell talked of the study at one college that linebackers and RB’s have the equivalent of 30-40 mini concussions per practice. I don’t know if that included linemen or not.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
It was ugly as sin, but I'll take it.
It’ll be great to have A-Rob back, and now that Coker has a full game under his belt, he’ll be even better.
Ricky had an uncharacteristically bad game too, although the numbers don’t show it. He had a lot of balls sail on him that would’ve been big gains and/or touchdowns. And really, “bad” isn’t the right word at all, just… “off.” It happens. He/they will move on.
There was a lot of twittage from Mas Casa & Doc about Clayborn. He’s apparently been quietly nursing a leg injury that’s really slowed him down. He was definitely not in full Beast Mode yesterday; another Twitterer even compared his effort to that of Ronnie Harmon’s in the Rose Bowl (a grossly unfair comparison, but there you go). Anyway, that might be a storyline to keep an eye on for the next couple weeks. Hopefully he’s ok and yesterday was the worst of it.
Oh – I voted Morris.
So just shut your face and take a seat, 'cause after all, you're just talking meat.
Seriously?
He was definitely not in full Beast Mode yesterday; another Twitterer even compared his effort to that of Ronnie Harmon’s in the Rose Bowl (a grossly unfair comparison, but there you go)
Well, I guess the game threads don’t have a monopoly on stupidity after all.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Yeah.
I don’t remember who (and it doesn’t matter), but yeah, that was the comparison made in the tweet I saw. Doc was pretty adamant that Clayborn was playing hurt.
So just shut your face and take a seat, 'cause after all, you're just talking meat.
by Bucketochicken on Nov 7, 2010 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
Which, I mean, duh -
When has the kid ever – ever - given anyone any reason to question his effort? That’s just retarded.
So just shut your face and take a seat, 'cause after all, you're just talking meat.
by Bucketochicken on Nov 7, 2010 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
I don't doubt it.
Morehouse has also been saying Clayborn’s been dealing with a leg injury for a few weeks.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I also think IU had a pretty good game plan for Clayborn and the rest of the DL.
By sliding protection to the right and consistently using a RB to cut block Clayborn, they were able to keep Daniels & Klug doubled and slow down Clayborn enough to protect Chappell. He probably gets more pressure if 100% healthy, but I’m not sure that his stat line improves much.
by The Mexican't on Nov 7, 2010 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
What? No way.
We can’t admit that Indiana did anything well yesterday. It’s all because Iowa sucked so bad.
(But you’re right.)
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Clayborn LEG injury?
I wonder how that ever could have happened. <glances at Wisconsin player #34, sharpens knife>
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on Nov 7, 2010 12:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
If I had been drinking a coke, you would have owed me a new screen...
That effing fullback chop block on Clayborn happened right in front of our seats during the Wiscy game. My bro-in-law and I were screaming at the refs. It made me even madder when I watched the DVR’d broadcast a few days later and heard Matt Millen get pissed about it.
If Wiscy’s fullback were to suddenly disappear, I hope Jacobi hides the evidence of this comment…
You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!
by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Nov 7, 2010 9:18 PM CST up reply actions
If Clayborn is injured, I blame that son of a turd from the Wisconsin game who chop blocked him from behind.
by Herkeye on Nov 7, 2010 10:49 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
this
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Nov 7, 2010 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
He'll get his ...
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Nov 7, 2010 4:07 PM CST up reply actions
Should we tell jNW that he's their best offensive player?
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
by RossWB on Nov 7, 2010 7:21 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Coker here.
Always great to see a player break out, and we needed his help in the worst way. Freshman of the week maybe?
I really hope this game lights a fire under the team and they come out ready to go vs. Northwestern. I’m tired of seeing them play down to the competition. NW is a good 6-win team and they’re going to do the same thing they always do, so if we play like this next week and don’t finish drives, we won’t be so fortunate.
Forget about Ohio State for another week, guys. Focus on Northwestern.
America, you're looking good: handsome, free and tall.
by Close Shave America on Nov 7, 2010 10:42 AM CST reply actions
I went Greenwood
but it was close between him and Coker. Greenwood played great position football yesterday and could’ve had at least 1 or 2 more interceptions. That hit to pop the ball up inside the red zone was a thing of beauty – not only broke up a completion that would’ve set up Indiana inside the 5 but made a turnover a possibility. Perfect position and technique defense. His career arc has really been amazing to witness.
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
It could always be worse.
We could be Texas and reduced to looking at pictures of puppies (albeit very cute puppies) to cheer us up from the burning cinder of a season.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I don't know what they have to complain about
they got the last laugh on Nebraska. And…umm…Florida Atlantic is coming up.
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Nov 7, 2010 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
Only after Okie State gets through bashing their heads in next week.
For the first time in recent memory, Texas is in real danger of not making a bowl game. They have to beat FAU (should do that), but then also get a win from Okie State or Texas A&M — that doesn’t seem like a given anymore.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
No, it doesn't
If ND and Texas both miss a bowl game it’ll be pretty funny
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Nov 7, 2010 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
It's so sweet to see them that way.
They finally understand what the rest of the nation has been trying to tell them for years: It’s stupid to think that getting the best players in Texas every year should automatically translate into playing for the mNC every year.
They’re complaining about falling this far the year after playing for a mNC, but everyone else understood last year that they never should have been in that game. They were not the second best team in the country. So really they haven’t fallen as far as they think. If they hadn’t bought into their own hype they wouldn’t feel so bad right now.
/rant over (I just hope to see something like this from aOSU some day- – I’ll send them a picture of puppies)
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Nov 7, 2010 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
Thanks, Ross.
I always appreciate your rational, clear-headed synopsis of games. It has a calming effect on the rabid hoards.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
Are you kidding me?
We’re clearly doomed. These Hawkeyes will be lucky to win another game ever. Ferentz has peaked, 100 wins was his goal and he doesn’t care anymore. F these guys.
by The Mexican't on Nov 7, 2010 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
Man, that's kind of you, but it's wrong.
I know I fucked up — I didn’t call for KOK’s head once, I totally forgot to mention Ferentz’s bloated salary, and I didn’t say anything about what a bunch of gutless pussies the Iowa players were yesterday. Fuck me.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Also
Iowa won’t win another game all year, they’d get torched by UTEP, and we need to blitz on every down.
So just shut your face and take a seat, 'cause after all, you're just talking meat.
by Bucketochicken on Nov 7, 2010 11:25 AM CST up reply actions
I'm so pissed off!
where was our heart?!? we only won by 5 against Indiana?!? Our offense was moving the ball well between the 20’s all game?!? This game is most certainly not an outlier!!!
/Grixxly for post game thread’d
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on Nov 7, 2010 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
Nice ad hominem...
9 points from 4 times inside the 10 against a defensive team that doesn’t rank higher than 70 in any category, I believe, is cause to question the teams heart. On any given Saturday (except for Minny) you can be beat in the Big10 and instead of preparing for that, it appeared that we didn’t take Indiana seriously and it almost cost us.
I suppose any win is a good win, and as in golf it all looks the same on the scorecard, but the lack of focus (my perspective) is infuriating.
But
the problem is that heart and focus are not the same thing
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
Bullshit
First off: correlation is not causation.
Second: I relate lack of heart to what we’re seeing from Texas. Flat-out KNOW the other team has no intention of passing, and yet they still run it down your throat because you really aren’t trying. Lack of focus more along the lines of thinking we can roll over these guys, so you don’t come in as ready as you should. The lack of focus leads to a perceived lack of effort. Not the other way around.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
Well then I guess we'll just have to call bullshit on each other then
Because I do not see how you can have focus without heart and I don’t see how you can have heart and not focus?
Really?
So as long as we’re out there, running around like banshees, hitting the fuck out of people, it will guarantee that we’re focused on what we’re doing? Come on man, they’re NOT one and the same, and one doesn’t necessarily influence the other. Think about guys that are considered chokers. You think they aren’t focused? Hell no, they’re considered that because when things go bad or they get hit in the mouth, they wither. Much, much different.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
Did it look like we didn't have heart when the clock hit 0:00
and our O-line and Indiana’s D-line were getting in each others faces? Hell, even Stanzi said some things to them during that. Heart and execution are not the same thing or even correlated. You can want it all day but if the throw is a yard out of reach, the receiver can’t “heart” it within his range. You can’t “heart” being just a little faster to reach the edge. We didn’t execute and you’re blaming it on not caring when it simply isn’t true.
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on Nov 7, 2010 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
It looked like we were lucky when the clock hit 0:00
You can justify it to yourself all you want, but if the reps in practice are performed with intent then the pass is in range, they are faster, etc…
How else do you account for the lack of execution? Actually forget it. You want to call this a good win, good… You wanna make fun of me, have at it, I could seriously give a shit. But just ask yourself how many times over how many years have we shit the bed because we didn’t take an opponent seriously.
Not that it matters… to me heart/focus/execution are interchangeable so it may be a lack of me communicating my postion well. I’m not calling for anyone to lose their job. I like this coaching staff. I think we have a great team. I just wish that once, just once, we would take one game at a time. And that’s just my perspective…
You're missing the boat man
Heart/focus/execution aren’t interchangeable and I think any sane person knows that. But based on your ‘we need to let this kids know what’s at stake’ comment yesterday, I have to wonder. To question the effort we were giving yesterday is ridiculous. If we lacked heart, we wouldn’t have even been in position to win at the end. We didn’t execute, injuries are catching up to us a bit, and we eked out a win. I’m sure as shit not calling it a ‘good win’, and I don’t think many people here will. But you’re implication of a lack of heart is quite troubling.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
don't be that way
if you give strong opinions you are going to get strong reactions.
Dude
Sorry kids, gonna rant a bit here.
1. They were your comments, own it.
2. When I moved out to DM a couple years ago and became surrounded by Clown fans, I was introduced to a phrase – “irrational Iowa fan” – that I had never before heard. I grew up 15 minutes from Iowa City and was always surrounded by Iowa fans, and to be honest, I don’t know that I have really met too many that aren’t in pretty good touch with reality. I can now say I have met (e-met?) one.
I’ve been “lurking” on this site for well over a year, and started actually commenting probably 6 months ago, I think. One of the things that really kept me on this site when I stumbled across it, aside from the fact that it’s fucking hilarious, is that it is run by, and frequented by, very rabid, and rational, fans.
There are plenty of other sites on the web cough Rivals message board cough that you can go to be surrounded by “irrational Iowa fan”. I’ve been in there on occasion, and there’s a reason I don’t go back. And I’ll be damned if I’m going to see this turn into that type of place. OPS, HS, SMA and the crew do a great job of weeding out those types of people, and that’s what makes this site so great. All we ask is for a little rationality, realize that these are freaking college kids playing their hearts out who will occasionally slip up, and laugh at the MS Paint. If you can’t do that, then yes, leave our sandbox.
/end rant
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
Oh
and a quick aside (not directed at Grixxly):
whoever it was that made comments to the effect of “stop them, you fucks!” to our defense – please. Yes, I realize this is but a lowly blog with an open thread, but as I said in the previous post, they’re fucking college kids. I think you can get your point across a bit differently.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
Kind of Ironic that you say that
When it’s very likely that the Indiana coach said those exact words to his team during the game.
by Iowa Refugee on Nov 7, 2010 1:58 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I totally agree that we were lucky when the clock hit 0:00
Or whatever number of seconds were left when that endzone pass was dropped. But I disagree with you on pretty much everything else. You can’t accuse this team of not having heart; this team has heart coming out of their asses. There were a lot of unpolished efforts yesterday and it looked gross as a result but I don’t think anyone showed up to give any less than 100%. As anyone who put a lot of effort into a sport or hobby knows, some days you are on and clicking, and some days, you slog through and no matter how hard you try you are just off. I think several players had off days and it was enough to put the game in jeopardy.
As far as luck
couldn’t we also look at dropping a couple potential interceptions as bad luck?
Also, I think that if a guy is going to claim that the team doesn’t show heart it is incumbent upon him to actually give a specific example. Call a player out. I can’t think of one guy who gave me reason to think that he didn’t care about winning that game.
"...give a specific example. Call a player out."
This.
So just shut your face and take a seat, 'cause after all, you're just talking meat.
by Bucketochicken on Nov 7, 2010 3:32 PM CST up reply actions
The selectivity of this whole luck thing is kind of stupid to me
there were numerous bad luck situations for Iowa during the game. Just before their first FG, Iowa was very unlucky in dropping what looked to be a sure interception that would have cost Indiana 3 points and just before half Meyer misses a little 20 yard chip shot that he likely makes 19 out of 20 times in the future. That sure was unlucky. Those two un-luckies equal the one lucky we got at the end of the game. I have no problem if you want to call it luck, but don’t be so selective in which plays get tagged as lucky or unlucky because there are always a number of plays that could have ended differently than they did which influence the outcome of a game.
Ambition is the willingness to kill the things you love and eat them to stay alive.
And I stand by what I said...
…that pass was dropped at the end because it was a poorly thrown pass because the D was getting pressure on Chappell. To call it purely luck is to deny what the Iowa guys were doing right to make Chappell uncomfortable and hurried.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Nov 8, 2010 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
I completely agree. The pass was high because the Iowa D was rolling back the Indiana line resulting in a hurried, high pass.
""Luck" is the residue of design."—Vince Lombardi
"America loves a winner, and will not tolerate a loser."--Gen. George Patton
I stand corrected.
“Just win, baby.”—Albert Einstein
"America loves a winner, and will not tolerate a loser."--Gen. George Patton
I encourage you to ask Mr. Clayborn about his heart.
I’m pretty sure his tears during the postgame interviews after Wisconsin would beg to differ. This might just be me, but anytime a grown mad, especially a man of bad ass nature like Clayborn, cries in front of cameras, it shows quite a bit of heart.
+94
I didn't order assholes with my whiskey
by White Lightning on Nov 7, 2010 2:13 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Long time Hawk fan...I live in Omaha, never been to Kinnick....
Are these seats decent for 400.00?
Event Name: Iowa Hawkeyes vs Ohio State Buckeyes Number of Tickets: 2
Event Type: Sporting Events Football-College
Section: 102 Row: 75
Thanks for your help.
Go Hawks.
Decent
not $400 decent though. I know a lot of people are hesitant to make a trip to a game without tickets in hand (especially when womenfolk are involved) but you’ll get a much better deal outside the stadium on Gameday.
ALright, thanks man.
What can I expect to pay outside the stadium?
by Jared Birchard on Nov 7, 2010 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
If you’re patient, and know what you’re looking at, $200-$275 per? Wisconsin were going at $200 for seats on the northwest side on the 35.
I bought some seats for tOSU, mid-field, and they're going for a multiple of that figure. It's a tough ticket.
Also, once good seats are going for $500+, are you sure you want to risk a counterfeit at 1 p.m.? There’s an awful lot of incentive to fire up a printing press.
Mr. Boh Knows ...
As they said, wait til you get outside the stadium
Anything on stubhub etc. is inflated right now. I myself may find a student ID and go in there for 80 bucks
I paid $150 for my student ticket
then we lost to Wisconsin 2 days later
by IrishHawkeye7 on Nov 7, 2010 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
They're not in the north bleachers, I don't think.
Sec. 102 appears to be the north end of the east stands and row 75 is pretty high up (I think row 80-ish is the last row in the stadium). My season tickets for fifteen years were pretty much exactly these seats, but on the south goal line instead. Here’s what I can tell you about the seats:
Plusses: on a sunny November day the East stands stay in the sun for most of the first half where the West stands are shaded by the pressbox damn near kickoff. The difference can feel like 20-25 degrees, which really matters when the air temperature is 40. Also, being high up in the corners is better than being closer to the field in the corners. Because Kinnick is so steep, you can see damn near the whole field. The only part you won’t see is the corner opposite the student section (the “A” section in I-O-W-A).
Minuses: the field is pretty far away and the players generally seem “way the hell over there” instead of up close. You’re pretty far away from the scoreboard, the students and the band, which may or may not be a good thing. It’s a long walk up a shitload of stairs to get to your seats, which sucks if you’ve broken the seal. And when the wind is blowing it gets pretty damn cold up there, although if you’re packed in with 70,000 of your closest friends and Iowa is winning you’re less likely to feel it.
The big plus to those seats is that they’re inside the stadium, though. On a senior day that features Ballard, Clayborn, Greenwood, DJK and Ameristanzi and a game where Iowa could beat a top-ten tOSU team to keep its conference title and Rose Bowl hopes alive, it beats the shit out of sitting in your living room watching it on TV. Big games at Kinnick are better than damn near anything else in the world.
Are they worth $400? Depends. But I wouldn’t make the decision based on how good the seats are but rather whether you want to be in the stadium or not.
by Abbas_Cincinnatus on Nov 8, 2010 9:56 AM CST up reply actions
Coaches Poll Out
Michigan St jumps 5 sports to #10, now 2 spots ahead of Iowa
Okie Lite also jumps Iowa (not a surprise) to #11, Bama at #12 (neither a surprise, Bama being ahead is a bit of a WTF, as their losses and wins are over no better opponents that Iowa’s. but polls are all about perception anyways, so its not too enraging)
Iowa at #13
Correction: Sparty jumps 5 spots after beating
Minnesota
by IrishHawkeye7 on Nov 7, 2010 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
even if its by 30
coaches poll is a scam anyways. how its still in the BCS formula is beyond me
by IrishHawkeye7 on Nov 7, 2010 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
Still tons of football to be played
No need to panic yet
by IrishHawkeye7 on Nov 7, 2010 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
That's a quality win there
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Nov 7, 2010 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
I know it's hard to think of it this way, but...
…Belcher dropped that last pass because it was a fast pass thrown behind him. Our D line didn’t shut them down on the last play, but the outcome was a result of the pressure we got on Chappell. He had to get rid of it, and wasn’t comfortable when he threw. The result was a bad pass that was hard to catch, and ultimately why they lost.
If the D had got no pressure on Chappell, I don’t think we win. Good teams find a way to win, and make their own cliched luck. It’s not an accident that the better team came out on top, even if it looked ugly all the way. Sometimes a sport that’s this brutal has no choice but to show its ugliness from time to time. This isn’t ballet.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Nov 7, 2010 11:46 AM CST reply actions
Not only that, but I’ll take Kirk at his word yesterday postgame. Will slightly paraphrase, but he said something along the lines of, if you don’t think you’ll face games like that in conference, you’re a fool. The good guys won. I’d like to know what the chirping was at 0:00 between the IU defense and the Iowa O. That would be entertaining,
"Ya damn dirty Commies, thought ya could beat us, but you don't got it!"
-Ricky Stanzi
“Wanna hear me sing the Star Spangled Banner?” -Julian Vandervelde
“Heh.” -Marcus Coker
“You should let your coach know his attitude is unbecoming of him.” -DJK
“WANNA RUN ONE MORE FUCKIN’ PLAY?!?!?!?! I GOT A FALSE START TO MAKE UP FOR.” -James Ferentz
"Yeah, and that’s bullshit, cause Boise plays Kirkwood every other weekend".
Smokin' Herb Grigsby's Mom (+1, I say)
by hkobb7 on Nov 7, 2010 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
voted for Belcher
pretty much the reason we won
Disagree. Indiana scoring 1 (one) touchdown before the last play of the game is why we won the game.
Mr. Boh Knows ...
by Bellanca on Nov 7, 2010 3:04 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Diagree. Iowa kicking field goals is why the team won.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Disagree.
That Indiana had allowed more points than the team they faced at the conclusion of said contest is why the Hawkeyes didn’t lose this past weekend.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
"You can't go broke when you're making money." - Mack Brown
"This is how I chill, ma'am."
Beat Ohio State.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 7, 2010 8:08 PM CST up reply actions
I look at it this way...
Indiana is always a weird game.
Yes the Hawks played like there was nothing on the game, those fade routs were bad calls.
BUT, Arob was out, we got Coker some good work, Parker was not there, and now DJK was out for a bit, and also Meyer finally got his foot, (sort of), in line.
A win’s a win, but it was scary to look like that against dbag Indiana.
Here’s to everyone coming back next week and Parker bringong some mental toughness.
It seems Stanzi plays like an NFL qb ONLY if Robinson is playing. Just my take. Plus, I think Stanzi is might take some heavy revenge on jNW gor last year’s injury.
Go Hawks.
can anyone verify Norm was not there?
I SWEAR I saw him walking out, he was in a wheelchair, right foot prosthesis,,, I said “Good Job Norm” as I passed him and he smiled,,,,,
maybe i was dreaming or it was all those years i missed between 67 and 75
Iowa? I could have sworn this was heaven. Field of Dreams, 1989
I voted for Evil...
There was a group of 8-10 year old boys a few rows ahead of me at the game yesterday. I don’t recall seeing them before halftime, but during the second half, I’m pretty sure they were jacked up on cocaine (or sugar and chocolate); they were incredibly obnoxious with their unflagging energy and irrational exuberance (too young to realize what IU football is yet, obviously). Hoosier fans do this ridiculous fist-pump thing (think rock ’em sock ’em robot-action) when the Hoosiers do something right, and these kids were really getting into it. So it was especially sweet to see their young hearts broken; it took the few scraps of decency I have left in the husk of the person I used to be to not give them a Nelson Muntz “HA ha” after the game.
Thanks, Evil; let’s break the hearts of more children (the purple kind) next week.
"They're not people, James Ingram. They're Jimmy Buffett fans."
GameDay going to Happy Valley for OSU this week
holy cow if they skip Iowa City the following week to keep with the “we dont like to follow teams in back to back weeks except for SEC Teams” mantra
The question becomes
where would they go if they don’t go to IC that week? The rest of the games are simply bad.
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on Nov 7, 2010 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
I haven't looked at the schedule
what other games are that weekend? And why Happy Valley next week? I mean, I know in name it’s a big game, but PSU just isn’t PSU this year, so I would think there is somewhere else they could go (but again, I haven’t looked at the schedule).
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
Oklahoma / Baylor?
I have no idea. I’m shocked that they’re heading to Happy Valley next week. There aren’t any great match-ups in two weeks other than us, right now no other top 25 games other than Arkansas / Miss St. and Oklahoma / Baylor.
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Nov 7, 2010 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
That definitely bodes well for us then
I just was asking for next week, because I understand why they might not want to highlight the same team 2 weeks in a row and would like to see them in IC in 2 weeks (assuming we get past jNW).
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
Agreed
but as Irish said, they usually don’t follow a team back to back, so that bodes poorly for us. I guess I’m surprised they aren’t slobbering over the South Carolina / Florida game. But not many good match-ups next week either.
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Nov 7, 2010 1:57 PM CST up reply actions
the only game GameDay would choose over us, is Nebraksa/TAMU
ESPN would do it too
by IrishHawkeye7 on Nov 7, 2010 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
I was expecting them to go to the Naval Acadmey
granted, they play New Mexico, but GameDay usually makes a trip either to a service academy or a DII or III school a year.
and with it being Veterans Day, i thought theyd do it
by IrishHawkeye7 on Nov 7, 2010 2:05 PM CST up reply actions
Why would they skip Iowa City
They wouldn’t be following OSU, they’d be coming to see us.
But OSU would be involved 2 weeks in a row
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
OSU 2 weeks in a row
they prefer to not have the same team involved 2 weeks in a row
but the rest of the schedule that week is a dumpster fire (like this coming week), so they could be making an exception
by IrishHawkeye7 on Nov 7, 2010 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
Minor correction: Columbus, not Happy Valley
"This is how I chill, ma'am."
Beat Ohio State.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 7, 2010 3:08 PM CST up reply actions
Yesterday was a survival exercise. And every good team has a game where they shudder and go, "Man, we were luckier than good."
We need to remember that football is a difficult game, we don’t know as much as we think we do (e.g., I didn’t know that Stanzi’s pick was the result of a busted route, and hence, he only has one legit unforced pick this year), it’s a very long season and hence impossible to be at a high emotional pitch for all 12. That said, I wish KOK would take his meds. I haven’t dismissed enough of my self-confidence to wonder: since they couldn’t stop Coker, why did we abandon Coker?
Footnote: I think a lot of guys would have played, or played more, yesterday if the coaches didn’t think they could rest them for the next two games.
Mr. Boh Knows ...
Stanzi's pick might have been tough to decipher on TV...
But in person it was pretty obvious. If I remember right, we had 2 WR lined up on the left. They both ran crossing routes (I think, I saw Stanzi throw the ball and was watching it float into the D’s hands instead of concentrating on WR dispersion). Stanzi threw it to where one of them (presumably) would have been if he’d run some flavor of a button hook. The Indiana CB made a hell of a diving catch, and he was the only one within 10 or 15 yards.
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Nov 7, 2010 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
Stanzi now 3rd nationally in pass efficiency, and has the fewest interceptions in the country.
Defense 6th in scoring D, 5th in rushing D, 8th in total D.
It’s worth noting that we’re 5th in rushing D. Because a lot of people are saying, “Why isn’t our D-line dominating the way we expected.” Well, the best team in Texas has the best defense in the country — and Iowa is a few slots ahead of TCU in rushing D. I’d say the D-line is doing extremely well. We’re playing team, not OMG-did-you-see-that-sack, defense.
Mr. Boh Knows ...
I think our D's numbers are a tad schewed
we’ve won all but 1 of our games by double digits, and outside of the UM and IU wins, we have absolutely obliterated our opponents in victories, several of those being over weaksauce offenses
our losses, including our W over UM, we’ve seen Iowa’s D perform fairly poorly when compared to how they were expected to perform this season
by IrishHawkeye7 on Nov 7, 2010 4:39 PM CST up reply actions
Evaluating this defense is complex.
Their statistical output has been heavily influenced by coaching schemes, special teams play, and offensive production.
In many of those wins, the defense has been tasked with the lion’s share of the work in the second half. Repeated three and outs following offensive shutdown in the second half would tend toward a defense that gives up some yards. Instead, they still show pretty good stats.
Even in the Wisconsin game, the D made some big stops that were erased by special teams let downs or a mediocre drive by the offense (in the case of the interception).
They aren’t as good as has been expected, perhaps, but I am not really as down on them as a lot of people are.
Skewed by what?
Just curious.
Mr. Boh Knows ...
by Bellanca on Nov 7, 2010 6:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Winning!
Swagger!
"This is how I chill, ma'am."
Beat Ohio State.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 7, 2010 8:08 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know how you can really say a D that is designed
to force long, grinding, near pefect drives, is playing badly when the sST spots the other team half the work to get into the end zone. It’s a shit sandwich and everybody has to take a bite.
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Nov 7, 2010 10:29 PM CST up reply actions
I don't want to eat the cat poop!
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
My dog finds it delicious, however.
Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more cowbell!!
by The Bird Cult on Nov 8, 2010 5:37 AM CST up reply actions
36 points
anyone else watching the iowa exhibition game? already 34 points with 8 minutes left in first half… shitty opponent but atleast they are scoring a lot more.. sorry for getting off topic
by clay-born to party on Nov 7, 2010 4:03 PM CST reply actions
its on the mediacom channel in eastern Iowa
The hawks score 56 in the first half. That’s about a game average for last year’s team. They all look leaner than last year. May, Payne and McCabe playing solid. Cole is playing so the foot problem must not be too bad
Ambition is the willingness to kill the things you love and eat them to stay alive.
I went with Meyer
But morris looked like a 5th year senior out there most of the game…he is going to be one helluva player.
I’ve thought about this game for a while now and I’ve gone back and forth on how I should feel about it so much that now all I can decide on is a win is a win, no matter how much it seemed like a loss.
We played like dogshit most of the game(generally speaking) but I’m not concerned. Here’s why:
1. As mentioned above, we are a pretty damn good redzone team even in our two losses. Bad playcalling, bad execution; whatever you wanna tag it as it just an off day in my opinion.
2. The coaches will take care of any actual concerns in practice. This game should also motivate us to play better against jNW because we are much better than this.
3. AROB!! I think he will help us in every phase of offense. I noticed that coker didn’t have any receptions (right?) And I feel like that’s because stanzi wasn’t comfortable with dumping it off to him when he needed to. He threw I lot of flat routes to morse, which I love, but I think arob’s athleticism will allow for more opportunity for our passing game to be consistent…
Really the only thing that concerns me is the defense. We’re clearly not as talented at some positions as we were last year. The trio of angerer, edds, and spievey leaving has probably had the biggest impact on our team than any other player combo (maybe greenway and hodge) …we have a good defense, but not an elite defense, plain and simple…
by bornofclay on Nov 7, 2010 10:32 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Yeah it was uglier than the Elephant Man in Speedos,
but, shit, a victory none the less. The above 135+ comments kind of sum things up for me, too. This year the Hawks seem to be playing up to, or down to, the level of the opposition. Not a very safe way to play but over all the out come has been victory. And there’s nothing wrong with that.
Fill me in, I’ve been buried in work. How’s Clayborn’s health? Is he injured? He was crying after the game? What was that all about?
And, any word what the subject of the conversation was between the two teams after the final whistle. I like the part where Stanzi was pushing his guys towards the sidelines then he, himself, turned around and started barking.
For such a shittily played game it was kind of cool. I mean, Hawks Won.
"America loves a winner, and will not tolerate a loser."--Gen. George Patton
1) The feeling is Clayborn got hurt in the Wisconsin game when he got his knee taken out from behind by the Wiscy fullback. no penalty called, and it was a bad cheap shot. The Gazoo guys have hinted he’s been limited somewhat since.
2) Clayborn had to leave the presser after the Wisconsin game because he was crying the first time he came out. He left and came back, and was still emotional.
3) I’ve heard no follow-up on that chirping. The OL and DL got into it, Stanzi was pushing his guys away, and someone must have said something to him as he then got into it.
4) Yes, Hawks won.
Clayborn... don't get too worried...
I guess he has a sore leg. He’s played that way for the last couple of weeks.
The crying thing happened after the Wisky game (apparently the game where he got hurt too). It was the Wisky post-game that Clayborn said that the reason the Hawks lost the game was due to a defensive let-down.
There has been a little chatter that the Hawks weren’t playing with “heart”. So, the emotional display by Clayborn was brought up as evidence of the “heart” that this team plays with.
Personally, I don’t think that is the issue. I think it has more to do with injured line backers, and sloppy special teams.
I agree completely.
The Hawks have heart and balls to match. Desire is not the issue with these guys.
They still gotta practice though. Lotta youth and relative inexperience.
Stay in your lanes. Don’t over pursue. Work on being a punishing tackler.
(And Kirk, wake up. A few more slant patterns early on so Ricky can get his range.)
"America loves a winner, and will not tolerate a loser."--Gen. George Patton
Atmosphere at IU
Anybody else out there that has visited all of the Big Ten stadiums find IU’s atmosphere a bit MAC-ish? The “IU Country” signs around the stadium, the roving MC during timeouts, no goalposts nets “so you get to keep any ball that comes into the seats!”, the just plain gay 1st down celebrations, at least 2 pennants flying from the top of the stadium that said “INDIAN” one 1 side, where you could see the less-faded spot where the last “A” used to be…just lame, IMO. Better than the last time I was there 8 years ago (honestly, that time their scoreboard panels were of at least 3 different colors of red) but just sort of amateurish.
That was painful to watch
But a win it was. We should be so glad that we got a “w” in a road game where we just didn’t have it. That 3-pass drive by the Manzi was something. He had been off all day and he just nails it 3 straight times. I am so surprised by the fourth quarter drives against our defense by Arizona, Wisconsin, and Indiana. We usually wear down the opposing offense and own the fourth quarter. I wouldn’t be surprised if Clayborn has a sore leg from that chop block-he hasn’t been himself lately. I hope it’s the team to played Michigan State that shows up for OSU, not the one that took the field this Saturday. BTW, isn’t it humorous to see the Spartans ranked above us?
Voted for Belcher
He makes that catch, we lose. Plain and simple.
Our guys did okay, many had what look like big numbers, but upon closer review you realize that all those yards led to little more than 12 points in the first 58 minutes of the game (or so).
Red zone offense forgot to show up, and the defense nearly gave up another game losing drive, both of which were pretty inexplicable.
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