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KUTCHERGATE: Iowa Basketball Violations Deemed Secondary, Punishment Forthcoming

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This stuff never happened when Tom Arnold was our most famous booster.

Due in part to the Michigan State game, and in part because the story just seemed too surreal even for us, we haven't commented on the Ashton Kutcher basketball recruiting story.  For the uninitiated, apparently a pair of basketball recruits from Cedar Rapids met former players Reggie Evans and Dean Oliver at a pickup game prior to the Iowa-Iowa State game in September, then took in part of the football game from a luxury box with Kutcher and Demi Moore.  One of these recruits, point guard Marcus Paige, put a picture of the event on Twitter.  This picture was retweeted by Rob Howe, because Howe needed a break from talking to all those anonymous sources.  The other recruit, now-Iowa commit Josh Oglesby, told a recruiting website about the visit, which is just another reason why we shouldn't have recruiting websites.  These two reports were more than enough to tip off investigators, who follow the recruitniks for precisely this kind of information.  Four days later, the athletic department received a letter of the NCAA notifying them that the contact between recruits and Kutcher (who once attended the U of I, is now an athletic department booster, and helps with fundraising activities) was verboten, as was the meeting with Evans and Oliver.  According to Dochterman, the NCAA initially told Iowa the players would be prohibited from playing for the Hawkeyes.  Given that Oglesby is widely considered one of the top players in the Midwest, and Paige is receiving interest from programs like (gulp) North Carolina, this could be devastating.

Yesterday, one day after the DMR's Tom Witosky breathlessly reported the story like he'd identified the second gunman on the grassy knoll, the NCAA notified the University that the violations were considered "secondary," though there hasn't been a decision on what punishment might result.  This is stupid, and this is incidental, and this is nothing more.  As Hlas so rightly put it, this type of thing happens all the time; Harrison Barnes met Vince Carter, Larry Brown, and Michael Jordan while North Carolina was courting him, and he's still eligible.  That is to say nothing of the fact that these guys weren't yet born when Indecent Proposal was released, so how relevant can Demi Moore really be?  In any case, more news on this as it is available.

Not to be outdone, the football program got in the act by picking up a secondary violation of their own, this one for web video.  Over the offseason, athletics department staff posted a video of players participating in offseason workouts.  Anyone who followed the Rodriguez offseason saga at Michigan knows that such workouts cannot be attended by coaches or personnel other than quality control staff, and they weren't.  But the NCAA determined that the video could be viewed by coaches, which is one way of getting around that whole "you can't watch workouts" problem.  Yada yada yada compliance staff must approve of future videos let's all have cake.  These things happen in college sports; a recruiting database incorrectly lists a sophomore as a junior, or a coach text messages a recruit on a visit to give directions, and before you know it you're swimming in a sea of paperwork and taking classes on compliance.

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Ugh.

I can’t believe that that is on the site’s front page.

"Iowa is like a flat Pennsylvania."
Beat Northwestern.

by ReadingRambler on Nov 2, 2010 10:20 AM CDT reply actions  

Rambler,

I don’t mean to hijack this discussion but I need your opinion of an argument I am having. I say that JoePa is still running the show at PSU while my buddy from New Jersey argues he is now just a figurehead and Jay is pulling the strings. What is the straight poop from Happy valley regarding Mr. Paterno?

Nuts and Bolts we got screwed

by Kluginator on Nov 2, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

What is the straight poop from Happy valley regarding Mr. Paterno?

There is none. Penn State manages information like the KGB. Not the CIA, the KGB. Tell him that first off of the bat. We have to make do with what little we can see of the program. While Joe looks old, he seems coherent in interviews and still takes responsiblity for things when people question him. After wins, he says “we” did a great job blah blah, after losses he says, “I screwed up”.

"Iowa is like a flat Pennsylvania."
Beat Northwestern.

by ReadingRambler on Nov 2, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Summary: he doesn't pull all of the strings, but the final decisions rest with him and he is still as involved - perhaps more - with coaching as one can expect from a man his age.

Again, Penn State finds leakers and executes them, so you just have to take my word for it. And why not take my word for it? Everyone here loves me.

"Iowa is like a flat Pennsylvania."
Beat Northwestern.

by ReadingRambler on Nov 2, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well said sir

and the same could be said of every head coach. The good ones hire great assistants and then let them do their jobs. When you have a coaching staff like PSU that has been together for like 30+ years, it is safe to bet that everyone is on the same page.

Nuts and Bolts we got screwed

by Kluginator on Nov 2, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thinking about this makes me shudder

it sure as hell seems like the Zooker is doing just that.

It never gets to be easy

by chitownhawkeye on Nov 2, 2010 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Penn State finds leakers and executes them

Beware of TROLOLO!

/marchifornication’d

OK ...one time Randy Beaman had to take baths with his brother ... so one time his little brother took a potty in the bathtub ... and now Randy Beaman gets to take showers by himself. 'K. Bye

by HawkOnRails on Nov 2, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

When Mack Brown wins he says we. When Mack Brown loses he says the coordinators aren’t doing their jobs.

by txhawkeye on Nov 2, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Mack Brown is a huge dick

How is this news?

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Nov 2, 2010 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just making the comparison for my own amusement.

by txhawkeye on Nov 2, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think JoePa might be ...

the most clued-in guy on the sidelines. In the Iowa game, who was that ginger who didn’t know when to call time outs?

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

by Blackheartnopants on Nov 2, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Hawks should have just claimed...

…this is simply one of the pictures from Kutcher’s most recent Nikon commercial.

Everyone knows he takes pictures of anything and everything.

"There are no Pan Asian supermarkets down in hell, so you can't buy Golden Boy peanuts." - The Mountain Goats

by cafreema on Nov 2, 2010 10:21 AM CDT reply actions  

This is friggin ridiculous

You can’t be in the room with a famous person who is associated with the university anymore? I know why they have the rule, but surely there should be more to it than simply talking to somebody famous.

Did Kutcher promise them money and fame (LOL) if they played for Iowa or something?

by edr247 on Nov 2, 2010 10:33 AM CDT reply actions  

when that room is Kutcher's box at the Iowa game

no, you can’t.

Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.

"People who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do." -Isaac Asimov

by shake n bake on Nov 2, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

I guess they should

be lucky they weren’t in Demi’s box at the Iowa game. cue major violations. whoop whoop.

Oh, we got both kinds. We got country AND western

by rahpsu92 on Nov 2, 2010 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am not a huge fan of Kutcher's work, but then again

I suspect pasty white 50-something dough-boys are not Ashton’s key demographic. That said, I have a warm spot for Iowans who make it big but don’t forget their roots. Both Ashton and Tom Arnold are great for Iowa and the Hawkeyes. Regarding Demi, I took up pottery a number of years ago thanks to Demi even though she is a tad young for me. Now Adrienne Barbeau is a whole other story.

Nuts and Bolts we got screwed

by Kluginator on Nov 2, 2010 10:52 AM CDT reply actions  

Agreed

I have met Tom Arnold on a couple of occasions, and remember going to see Ashton speak outside the IMU when he was stumping for Kerry in 2004. People may not necessarily like what they have done (personally, with the exception of Punk’d, I like most of Kutcher’s work) but they are still actual fans who are willing to come back to Iowa to attend games and support the university, not just wear a hat or something pretending to be a “fan” like most celebs do whenever LA, Boston, or New York are in the playoffs.

by HeroPatriotStanzi on Nov 2, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have to say, it’s not like these guys are bandwagon jumpers or something. You have to go to effort to be these guys and be Iowa fans.

by txhawkeye on Nov 2, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry, but living outside of Iowa, we'd be better off with Tom Arnold representing us on *anything*

He’s a huge joke outside of Iowa. Talentless, unfunny, and just very fortunate to have been married to Roseanne at the right time. The entire highlight of his career is the toilet scene in Austin Powers 1. And his career has pretty much been on the D list shitter ever since.

Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more cowbell!!

by The Bird Cult on Nov 2, 2010 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

correction: not representing

Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more cowbell!!

by The Bird Cult on Nov 2, 2010 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

The real violation here is

NO ONE ICED ASHTON! HE’S RIGHT THERE! DO IT!!

by John Carlson on Nov 2, 2010 11:03 AM CDT reply actions  

Did you not see the guns on that guy?

You can talk tough but he would go all guardian on you in a butterfly second.

Nuts and Bolts we got screwed

by Kluginator on Nov 2, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Are you talking about Smirnoff Ice?

Because if you are you made my day…if not…I’m going to pretend that you were. Thanks!

by HawKCP on Nov 2, 2010 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think we all see the real violation here.

A white t-shirt under a sweatervest? Really Ashton?

Unless Kutcher knew that this picture would eventually surface before the Iowa/tOSU tilt. Maybe he thought that his sartorial faux pas would be enough to send Tressel into a deep depression that would haunt him for the coming weeks and keep him from gameplanning for the Hawkeyes.

In that case, tip of the (fitted baseball) cap to you, Mr. Kutcher. You are a shrewd one indeed.

by Abbas_Cincinnatus on Nov 2, 2010 12:40 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Ashton wasn't smiling because

The person who took the picture wasn’t using the new Nikon D90 D-SLR

by John Carlson on Nov 2, 2010 1:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Somehow someway....

…OMHR is behind this sneak attack. Franny Mac has them worried.

by djwoody on Nov 2, 2010 2:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Four Midwestern dudes...

make for one awkward photo.

Can we photoshop Demi in there, eating a saltine and summer sausage sam’ich? A sam’itch dipped in ranch dressing?

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

by Blackheartnopants on Nov 2, 2010 2:30 PM CDT reply actions  

The rule is in place to keep Universities from using celebrities and boosters to help with recruiting

which makes perfect sense…seriously do we want schools to start bringing kids in and then handing them off to one booster after another to “have conversations”.

At first I thought this was ridiculous given that the University was calling this an inadvertent encounter…so the recruits inadvertently encountered Kutcher and Moore…in Kutcher’s luxury suite…hmmmm?

I’m not saying that this particular incident is or should be a big deal…I am certainly not a governing body for NCAA…but it has got to be difficult for the NCAA to attempt to regulate something with so much grey area and so many people blatantly and unblatantly(?) breaking the rules (I’m talking about you Bruce Pearl).

At the very least…I don’t blame the NCAA for investigating this incident.

by HawKCP on Nov 2, 2010 7:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Do you have an ellipses button on your keyboard, SpartyMSU?

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Nov 3, 2010 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

It wasn't in "Kutcher's luxury suite"

Kutcher doesn’t have a luxury suite.

It was in the Iowa Athletic Dept. suite. Big place, lots of people coming and going. It was during halftime. Kutcher and the missus just happened to be popping in to socialize with the AD bigwigs. The kids wanted to meet them, as did most of the people there, and the basketball staff did nothing to stop it.

But more to the point… some basketball underlings let a couple high school kids from eastern Iowa meet a celebrity, and the NCAA has declared it a non-issue issue. Your head coach let a convict onto your team two days after he got out of jail for parole violation, and promptly lost 37-6.

Kindly fuck off to to the splinters of your own shattered glass house.

Brunettes not fighter jets

by rockyh on Nov 3, 2010 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Have you been drinking again?

You do realize that you were responding to Hawkeye State (a.k.a. Pat) and not a person from MSU, right?

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Nov 3, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wait... what?

I thought I was… the… where…

I’m confus.

Sorry about that… don’t know what got into me or why.

Brunettes not fighter jets

by rockyh on Nov 3, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

This...

made my day. Thanks.

Going, going, going, going, going, going, going, going.... Alright, I'll stop for now.

by EnergizerHawk on Nov 3, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't apologize.

Those comments are my favorite kind of comments.

"Iowa is like a flat Pennsylvania."
Beat Northwestern.

by ReadingRambler on Nov 3, 2010 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

No...

…but I think you’re on to something.

by HawKCP on Nov 3, 2010 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Or on something. Perhaps without his knowledge, even.

Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more cowbell!!

by The Bird Cult on Nov 4, 2010 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Could he look any less interested in having this picture taken?

Flacid arms, forced smile, awful outift… As an actor, he could’ve pretended to be interested in these kids a little more. Playing hard to get isn’t Iowa’s strong point.

"Your shit's weak! Shit's weak!"

by rinseandrepeat on Nov 2, 2010 8:27 PM CDT reply actions  

yeah

that is one of the most ackward photos I’ve seen as of late, nobody looks like they want to be there.

I didn't order assholes with my whiskey

by White Lightning on Nov 3, 2010 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Does anyone else think that

the press coverage of this is exactly what the basketball program needs? It’s not just publicity, but it’s publicity about recruits meeting with NBA players (well, one current and one former) and movie stars (one current and one former). At Iowa.

by Angle's Dangle on Nov 3, 2010 12:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Now there's a positive spin on things.

Also, perhaps Iowa hoops has decided to embrace the ethos the late, lamented Eddie Guerrero espoused: “If you ain’t cheatin’, you ain’t tryin.”

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Nov 3, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd like to think ...

that it makes people’s head explode when they think of Demi Moore taking in a game at Kinnick or Carver.

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

by Blackheartnopants on Nov 3, 2010 12:59 PM CDT reply actions  

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