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The Takeaway: Northwestern

Ross's recap is sufficiently comprehensive, so there's no need to rehash the entire game again. Instead, this edition of The Takeaway will focus on one aspect: Iowa's defense in crunch time. However bad you think it is, trust us, it's actually worse.

Iowa has played six meaningful fourth quarters in 40 total quarters of action. One would expect, with some normal level of variation, Iowa's defensive stats in these fourth quarters to compose about 15% of its total defensive allowance. Here's Iowa's performance in those six quarters.

Rush defense: 45 rushes, 103 yards, 3 TDs, 4 sacks, 0 fumbles forced. 2.3 yards per carry and a <3% touchdown carry rate are both mighty fine. This is not a problem.

Pass defense: 54-85, 713 yards, 63.5% completion rating, 4 TDs, 5 INTs. Overall quarterback rating: 137.76. If the Iowa secondary performed like this over the course of the season, this would place Iowa at 88th in pass defense. The 713 yards represent a hair under one-third of Iowa's total passing yardage allowed over the year, and 60% of Iowa's passing touchdowns allowed on the year have come in these situations. Over the rest of the season, Iowa's pass defense looks like this: 171-277, 1489 yards, 6 TD, 11 INT. That would be good for a 106.81 passer rating, which would qualify as 12th best in the nation. From 12th best to 88th in close late games? This is a problem.

First down conversions: You may want to sit down. 36 first downs, 14-25 in 3rd down conversions. If the Iowa defense gave up first downs all year at the rate it does in 4th quarters where the starters play, Iowa would be tied for next-to-dead-last in the nation. As for actual season-long stats, Iowa is 22nd (and not, oh, 119th).

As for that 70% 56% 3rd down conversion rate, extrapolated over the entire year, it would be worst in the nation--and by an insanely large gap. The worst in the nation over the course of the season is Colorado State at 55%. That 15% margin of difference is the same as between CSU and the 66th-ranked 3rd down defense in the nation (ULM, if you care). Oh, and of those 11 fourth downs forced, two were converted for first downs. All in all, that's 25 third downs... and 7 stops. That's really, really bad.

The reason? Two words: NO DEPTH. Quick: name a backup. Someone other than Broderick Binns. Okay, now name one thing that backup has done in meaningful play this year. I'm not hearing much. And it certainly doesn't help that the linebacking corps, which was already shaky to begin with after A.J. Edds and Pat Angerer both graduated, has been hit hard by injuries.

But only blaming the linebackers is a pretty shortsighted accounting of Iowa's depth woes, which were painfully obvious against jNWU. The Iowa defense was absolutely gassed by the time Dan Persa finished driving the 'Cats 85 yards on 13 plays in the fourth quarter... then Persa got to do it again for 91 yards in just 11 plays. He may as well have been facing a high school team on the last drive.

The worst part is that this problem doesn't seem likely to fix itself by next season. The defensive line, which is already top-heavy, loses most of that top after this year with only Mike Daniels and Broderick Binns set to return. That's a good start, but those backups that haven't done much of anything this season are going to have to start doing, well, something. Jordan Bernstine is going to have to stay healthy for once. And the onus is going to be on James Morris and the rest of the young linebackers to form a cohesive unit with something more than warm bodies behind it.

But hey, good news for the Iowa D: Ohio State's coming to town. Not as if they've got a punishing offensive line and mobile quarterback to wear the defense down... oh. Well, shit.

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Hahaha, silly Jacobi

You’re just trying to break us down before you build us back up.

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Beat Sam Lickliter.

by ReadingRambler on Nov 15, 2010 2:52 PM CST reply actions  

seconds!

fightin for president stanzi's fightin americanzis since his first 13 yard charge - syracuse '07

by metcalfrhymeswithblodbath on Nov 15, 2010 6:31 PM CST up reply actions  

3rds!

yum

and that's another Hawkeye first down... EHAWW!!

by HawkPocket on Nov 15, 2010 10:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Which is exactly why they need to be kept off the field.

And the offense needs to sustain drives and grind out first downs and mount time of possession. Which they haven’t done. Which is why this predicament can be traced to both sides of the ball, and some of this “It’s the offenses fault!” no, “it’s the defenses fault!” is kinda pointless. The defense held Northwestern to 7 points through 50 minutes of football. The offense had the ball three times in the 3rd and 4th quarter with a lead, where a TD probably undoubtedly wins the game, and, with the last drive (before the clusterfuck 2-minute drill), 3 first downs probably win the game. Those drives ended punt, INT, punt.

Can Iowa beat Ohio State? Sure. But both sides of the ball are going to have to step up in a major way. They’ll have to play four quarters of good football, something they haven’t really done this year.

by DonnyDonovan on Nov 15, 2010 2:56 PM CST reply actions  

Yes, pretty much.

The offense needs to score more points and stay on the field longer. Scoring 18 and 17 points against Indiana and Northwestern is garbage. We could still fret about the defense’s tendency to buckle in the fourth quarter, but if the offense is doing their part and scoring 28+, those are still comfortable wins, rather than a luck-aided nail-biter and a gut-wrenching loss.

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by RossWB on Nov 15, 2010 3:46 PM CST up reply actions  

true this..

the major question mark preseason was our o-line. I think that they are more than holding their own and have been the most consistant unit on this team. Lets use em..Arob right..Arob left..when he gets tired, coker left..coker right, rinse and repeat. Lets not kid ourselves into thinking we can shock and awe..were grinders, always have been.

Its been a while since Ive seen the Hawks pick up so many penaltys. Focus guys

"He was the one that didn't give us a touchdown, ... He didn't officiate for us again." ...Hayden Fry

by chuck longs mom on Nov 15, 2010 4:09 PM CST up reply actions  

No, not ARob left

as we’ve run that play (zone stretch to the left) about 178 times already this season and have a two net yards gained.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Nov 15, 2010 5:49 PM CST up reply actions  

What we could really use is

A Heisman quality QB that has shown consistency and poise with adequate protection from an O line. Also need a receiving corps anchored by the best player at WR position that we’ve ever had and a reliable tight end that almost never drops the ball. Finish it off with a RB that has shown the ability to gain significant yardage even against quality defenses.

Oh, wait, we already have all that? Wait, why did we lose to jNU and Indiana again?

by Iowa Refugee on Nov 15, 2010 4:13 PM CST up reply actions  

It's because said QB

hasn’t been playing like a Heisman quality QB in the last two games. His accuracy has been off. Guys have been open and he’s not hitting them (and sometimes, we’re told, not seeing them). Three corner fade routes to the end zone were missed vs. IU. Overthrows, other throws just out of arms reach – not the same QB that was snapping the ball confidently into receivers midsections early in the year. He just hasn’t been as sharp, and it hurts – sometime subltely over the course of a series / drive / game.

by hdhawk on Nov 15, 2010 4:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Not to pick sides

but Ross is exactly right. How does the offense fall apart after dropping 30 on Wisky and 37 on MSU?

by Internet Legend on Nov 15, 2010 4:58 PM CST up reply actions  

No Depth

That’s what killed PSU at Ohio State this week. Well, that and a pair of pick sixes and a hella-garbage TD pass by Pryor. But in all seriousness, the main culprit was that we have one great player for every two of theirs. The defense was gassed by the third quarter.

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by Cairo on Nov 15, 2010 3:07 PM CST reply actions  

Third-down conversions

14/25 = 56%, not 70%. Typo, or am I missing something? Either way it ain’t too pretty.

by Brock Sampson on Nov 15, 2010 3:20 PM CST reply actions  

I think you mean mathmatician

and that's another Hawkeye first down... EHAWW!!

by HawkPocket on Nov 15, 2010 10:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Mathlete.

It’s mathlete.


So just shut your face and take a seat, 'cause after all, you're just talking meat.

by Bucketochicken on Nov 15, 2010 10:42 PM CST up reply actions  

psycomath

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Nov 15, 2010 11:34 PM CST up reply actions  

No depth?

How can you have depth when the backups never see the field? I don’t feel like the second stringers had an opportunity to build up their own confidence/reputation all year. At the same time it might be because they didn’t do anything to blow anyone out of the water. Either way, their final scoring drive was beyond ugly. Our entire line was standing there, hands on hips, tired as hell, getting ran over. Is it really too much to ask for the lineman to be rotated every once in a while? Is a dogged out Adrian Clayborn really better than a fully rested LeBron Daniel? I guess the coaches think so.

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by mikjones24 on Nov 15, 2010 3:27 PM CST reply actions  

They didn't really get run over...

they just couldn’t sack the guy. They actually got a decent amount of pressure on Persa. There was just no one behind them to stop their offense. That was a lot to put on a defense at the end of a game. A bonehead interception leading to a long drive and then what, 5 or 6 plays including two quick passes and then another long drive. I really look at the offense in this game.

by Lycurgus on Nov 15, 2010 4:59 PM CST up reply actions  

wow..

this off marc’s blog:
Happy birthday – Iowa freshman linebacker James Morris, who turns 19 on Saturday, is the only Hawkeye with a birthday this week. He ranks fi fth on the team in tackles (46). Morris amassed a personal-best 13 tackles, including sack.

5th?? Hasnt he only played like half the season?? There were times during the second half that this kid was around the ball on every play. Young man has big time potential..

"He was the one that didn't give us a touchdown, ... He didn't officiate for us again." ...Hayden Fry

by chuck longs mom on Nov 15, 2010 3:59 PM CST reply actions  

this

kid is amazing. remember when we blitzed him? then he made the tackle on the following play (on some wr drag or shallow crossing jiggy-ma-hoo-dicky?)

i like him very much

fightin for president stanzi's fightin americanzis since his first 13 yard charge - syracuse '07

by metcalfrhymeswithblodbath on Nov 15, 2010 6:34 PM CST up reply actions  

He also blitzed into the middle of the OL several times after that.

We left the middle of the field open 2 or 3 times that drive after the successful blitz. We picked up, say, 8 yards on the sack and gave up, say 25 on future plays.

44 had a very good game, but he was a step behind for quite a few plays. It’s a tough assignment to run so far across the middle of the field on every play, but that step is the difference between a 2nd round NFL middle line-backer and a true freshman with fantastic upside. It’s also the difference between shutting offenses down on 85 yard drives and giving up game-losing scores.

by indyhawk on Nov 15, 2010 7:02 PM CST up reply actions  

well im sorry he didnt single handedly win the game for you (seriously)

ive watched football before. i know two plays a career does not make… i suppose ill just cry alone over the futility of what i watched and blow off whatever good things (players, playcalls, adjustments) i see.
id hate to have you write my obituary.

fightin for president stanzi's fightin americanzis since his first 13 yard charge - syracuse '07

by metcalfrhymeswithblodbath on Nov 16, 2010 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

It's been mentioned before,

but it bears repeating. If the offense is even able to half-ass do their job in the 4th quarter, NW doesn’t get the ball back with a chance to take the lead. All they had to do was get three first downs, and NW would have been forced to burn all their timeouts. Football is a team game, and the defense was much, much better than the offense for the balance of the game. You could say, without much hyperbole, that the defense was the only reason Iowa was in the game in the first place.

But then, with a chance to get a game clinching score or at least kill off a lot of the time that was left, Stanzi throws a pick that even 2009 Ricky thinks was bad. Football is a team game, and when it came time for the offense to put the game away, Ricky and everyone else in that unit failed big time.

by TarHeelHawk on Nov 15, 2010 4:06 PM CST reply actions  

the games our defense doesnt fail

are the games our offense plays keepaway. aka ‘the purpose of the run game’ amiright? our offense failed to play keep away. whats the 2nd half TOP stats look like for wins v losses/IU this year…?

fightin for president stanzi's fightin americanzis since his first 13 yard charge - syracuse '07

by metcalfrhymeswithblodbath on Nov 15, 2010 6:36 PM CST up reply actions  

2011?

Obviously there’s still the rest of this season to play and should Iowa win out a solid, albeit bittersweet season is possible. But is it too early to look towards next year and hope that some backups see some playing time throughout the next two games?

Playing some backups might help this year as well as next year. I’m not saying backups should be playing even %30 of the snaps but why not rotate some d-lineman in and or an extra cornerback/safety in a nickle package the next two games. Mr Pryor is pretty darn mobile and methinks having a little better rested defense in the 4th quarter might be enough of a difference to get the significant stop/turnover that we haven’t seen yet.

impossible is nothing

by RGates on Nov 15, 2010 4:36 PM CST reply actions  

That's what

Minnesota is for…

"You want an honest answer? I have no idea."
-Kirk Ferentz

by KF Bubblegum on Nov 15, 2010 7:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Ohio State is coming to town

with apologies to Coots and Gillespie
You better watch out
You better not cry
Better not pout
I’m telling you why
Ohio State is coming to town
They’re making a list
And checking it twice;
Gonna find out the defensive line gets winded
And the linebackers drop too deep
Ohio State is coming to town
They block you when you’re peeking
They throw underneath the coverage
They know our defense is like sieve in quarter four
So beware of Pryor’s horde
O! You better watch out!
You better not cry
Better not pout
I’m telling you why
Ohio State is coming to town
(and you don’t know how dificult it is for me to write this, i got to live among these assholes)

If Sarah Palin were any smarter rocks would be in trouble

by OhioHawk on Nov 15, 2010 5:50 PM CST reply actions  

I'm not in a critical mood.

But honest to goodness, compare our cool quiet attitude on offense to Northwestern’s exuberance. Or, look at that picture up there.

All this stuff about execution and assignments and “no mistakes” can be taken to a passionless extreme. Does Iowa play with passion?

I have a whole series of thoughts about trying to teach college kids to play like jaded pros, but I’m not going there.

I think AJ is brilliant on the 4Q defensive meltdowns, and that he is mistaken on the depth issue. Remember, this is a team that started a swimmer at DT a few years ago, and shot the lights out. We have more depth now than ever before. Something else is at work.

We play tackle football.

by Bellanca on Nov 15, 2010 6:23 PM CST reply actions  

then it must be...

depth talent coaching? player attitude?

if anyone says its only a 4th quarter problem then depth fits the bill…

but its not (although i would argue depth is an issue, its not THE issue)

i agree w/ bellanca – and we have problems in the other 3 quarters these last two weeks.
the only thing that justifies this is either (insert-animal-here) flu or a teamwide case of AIDS.

fightin for president stanzi's fightin americanzis since his first 13 yard charge - syracuse '07

by metcalfrhymeswithblodbath on Nov 15, 2010 6:42 PM CST up reply actions  

It's also strategy.

When the opposing offense has the ball for 85 and 91 yard drives, why shouldn’t the D get gassed? You’re talking 8-15 play drives here, done no-huddle and without a break, zing zang zoom, there you go. The problem is not ending those drives after a few plays—or giving up the TD after a few plays. I’d rather do that then watch the slow-death of a great defensive line by sheer slog through a morass.

These long drives are killers: they kill stamina, they kill confidence, they make our offense stale, they use precious time. Go all out the first 5-6 plays and either kill or be killed. Better than the slow poison of the 91 yard drive, d-line gassed all the way.

"Apparently, riding Joe Paterno like a small horse is FROWNED UPON IN THIS ESTABLISHMENT!"

by The Director on Nov 15, 2010 6:57 PM CST up reply actions  

It's baffling

I understand not being a blitzing team. I understand playing base defense until your eyes bleed. I understand believing in your philosophy and your scheme. But come on…this is like the insanity definition (doing the same thing over and over again believing a different outcome is forthcoming)

But seriously, I understand that the Big Ten (and Mike Stoops) has realized the tremendous value of the 3-step drop and the 5-yard slant and neutralized the greatest defensive line in Iowa history and in the process has found our soft underbelly, also known as our LB corp. I understand this. But, if this was such a great offensive tactic then teams would use it against everyone, all the time. Wisconsin has used it for all of one game…Iowa. Northwestern lives by this and yet looks very mediocre for five straight quarters and then in the 4th quarter against Iowa, never even sees a third down. Tate Forcier looked like Dan Marino for ten 4th quarter pass plays against us. In his 4th quarter Ben Chappell looked like, well, a Ben Chappell highlight reel. Nick Foles looked like a semi-accomplished stiff for three quarters, even threw a pick six to a lineman to open his 4th quarter, then looked like Joe Montana meets Tom Brady to close out his 4th quarter.

If it is depth, then that begs the question…why can Northwestern play 9 freshmen throughout their game…their freshmen…just process that…but we cannot use anyone other than our starters and Binns.

This whole thing strikes me a sophomoric coaching and well beneath anything that I am accustomed to with Norm anywhere near the house. I am being a smart ass of course, but seriously, this is happening over and over again.

Does anyone think that Ohio State isn’t practicing a no huddle, three-step-drop based passing attack this whole week, if for no other reason, just in case. Or let me put it another way, if they are not then now I know why Tressel has never won BT COY.

I have lost my faith in this team’s ability to stiffen up and close out a close game against even a decent opponent. This team can play with anyone on the planet for three quarters…I believe that. No question. But now I have serious reservations about this team—player and coaches alike—and their ability to find a way to close out a close game (the Indiana game is a mirage by the way).

I do think there is a safe lead…it is about 17 points, or three scores. That I believe we could hold on to.

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Nov 15, 2010 8:27 PM CST up reply actions  

We had Michigan down by 21.

And nearly pissed that away. Playing a soft-coverage defense with 4 DB’s and 3 LB’s just won’t protect a lead like it used to—the QB’s are so much more accurate than they used to be (anyone remember ANY QB passing for >70% completions in the 70’s? Or even the 80’s? I don’t—not even Heisman winners!)

It doesn’t work anymore, not in the modern game.

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by The Director on Nov 15, 2010 8:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I do not think that Ohio State is practicing a no huddle, three-step drop based passing attack.

Tressel and his people are not the sorts, from what I’ve seen.

"The coaches don't know what they're doing! Start Newsome!"
Beat Sam Lickliter.

by ReadingRambler on Nov 15, 2010 9:22 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

teamwide AIDS = strategy

didnt mean to neglect the coaching in these situations. if we dont have good enough coverage LBs to cover, we have a good enough line that throwing a 2nd down blitz with one of those useless backs SURELY helps…

fightin for president stanzi's fightin americanzis since his first 13 yard charge - syracuse '07

by metcalfrhymeswithblodbath on Nov 16, 2010 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I was actually gonna post an FP about this exact thing.

This loss to me falls squarely on the coaching staff. There are two primary issues I’ve pinpointed… 1) The inability of the coaches to shift away from schemes that clearly weren’t getting the job done, and 2) the complete lack of a sense of urgency on both sides of the ball as well as the sideline. Get fired up, Kirk, and let the kids know the think the refs are blowing the game on the non-calls of holding. Get fired up, Ken, and let the kids know that the execution needs to be there or the game is done. Get fired up, Phil/Eric/rest of defensive staff, and let the kids know that in order to win this game they absolutely must find a way to make a stop deep in the game. Without passion, this team simply does not have the sense of urgency it needs to make seriously crucial plays. Case closed.

Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.

by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Nov 15, 2010 7:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Get fired up, Norm

Start shaking your amputated leg at kids and threaten them with it if they don’t execute.

"Yeah, and that’s bullshit, cause Boise plays Kirkwood every other weekend".
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by hkobb7 on Nov 15, 2010 8:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Too soon?

No such thing.

"Yeah, and that’s bullshit, cause Boise plays Kirkwood every other weekend".
Smokin' Herb Grigsby's Mom (+1, I say)

by hkobb7 on Nov 15, 2010 9:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, I think they do.

I really don’t know how to quantify it, but I thought saw a team that looked happy to be playing football against Wisconsin and Iowa.

They’re not there mentally right now. More than anyone else, they remind me of Penn State several weeks ago. Penn State rebounded because they had a team with no defense in Michigan, but there was still an obvious difference in their demeanor. If Ferentz can’t get that change this week, I’ll honestly be pretty disappointed.

"The coaches don't know what they're doing! Start Newsome!"
Beat Sam Lickliter.

by ReadingRambler on Nov 15, 2010 9:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Michigan State, not Iowa, duh

"The coaches don't know what they're doing! Start Newsome!"
Beat Sam Lickliter.

by ReadingRambler on Nov 15, 2010 9:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Re: Passionless

CFB could use some more coverage of the emotion issue. I’m traditionally a Roman and a both/and guy, not a Greek either/or. But Penn State is staring this exact issue head-on with our two quarterbacks. You got your passionate neck beard, a little delusional perhaps about his own talents, like arm strength and accuracy, but with a wicked and infectious enthusiasm. And he just nearly led us to an improbable win in the Shoe; well, until the talent thing caught up with him. And Bolden seems cool and calm, but perhaps not as enthusiastic. Which translates more tightly to W’s?

Anyway, you’re a good writer and an original thinker, and I think both emotion/passion and college coaching are subjects blogistan could use some more quality pieces on, so I hope you put fingers to keyboard on these.

The offensive line was inspired by McGloin.

by jtothep on Nov 16, 2010 3:40 PM CST up reply actions  

There's much to be said for Jacobi's analysis...

…..but the essence of it is this: he’s right, and it costs us ballgames.

I’ve heard the arguments about the per game avg of points that we give up, and how we hold so-and-so to under a certain season avg, and that’s great.

Great, only if we score MORE than what they do. Do I give a shit right now whether we held NW to under their season avg on Sunday? (Rhetorical question)

When it counts, the D sucks. We haven’t stopped anyone in the 4th quarter all season when we needed to, except maybe UM, and that’s because they had too big of a hurdle to ever overcome. But AZ, IN, WI, and NW all ate us alive in the 4th qtr.

The problem is this: NW ran 86 or so fucking plays. They ran about a third of those plays in the 4th quarter. Why the hell shouldn’t the players be running out of gas? No defensive lineman can run 35 plays in the 4th quarter—pass plays—and survive. It’s not possible. So here’s what I want to know:

Is a freshman LB better in a 4th quarter situation than a non-frosh safety or CB? Is ANY LB better than a safety or CB when you know the NW QB is going all pass-happy, with the exception of scrambles or QB draws?

NO.

Persa is not a 240 pound RB. NW doesn’t HAVE a 240 pound RB. We’re already asking four DB’s to solo tackle WR’s and TE’s, so why not have five of them back there to do the job—AND provide pass coverage? Do we really gain an advantage with Morris playing over Castillo or Bernstine when the LB is consistently being matched-up against a receiver? When a defender has to chase a fleet-footed QB out of the pocket—would you rather have a DB or an LB do the chasing?

I cannot fathom why, in the 4th quarter, when you KNOW that NW is not going to run “Student Body Right”, when you KNOW they are going to pass or run the QB, that you do not have five or six DB’s back there, instead of LB’s and the random nickle back.

This is not rocket science, contrary to what some think. It’s common sense! You’re not stopping John Clay behind a bunch of big uglies—you’re stopping a mobile QB and a bunch of five-wide receivers. Why play any goddamn LB’s at all, really, in that situation? Or play Tarp, but have two DB’s instead.

Maybe I’m a dumbass or ignorant or something, I dunno. But traditionally, a defense tries to defend receivers with DB’s. Why should that change when their are FIVE receivers out there?

I’m vexed. I’m horribly vexed.

"Apparently, riding Joe Paterno like a small horse is FROWNED UPON IN THIS ESTABLISHMENT!"

by The Director on Nov 15, 2010 6:52 PM CST reply actions  

Not saying we are deep at LB

but is our shallow DB corps expected to be better? Hyde is our starter and he’s often burned, I just assumed it goes way downhill from there. Not disagreeing with you, just wondering.
Also, if our offense puts up the points that are expected we wouldn’t be concerned about Persa putting together a couple big drives against our winded defense. jNU has put up at least 20 points every game this season—27 in their loss to MSU. We have to expect they are going to put up some points against us. Finally, If the score would have been 31 to 7 in the 4th quarter like it should have been with our offensive resources then jNU doesn’t score two more touchdowns.

by Iowa Refugee on Nov 15, 2010 7:31 PM CST up reply actions  

The criticism about Hyde is that...

…he was getting beat deep. But against NW, the vast majority of passes were 5-10 yards away, not long bombs. Give me ANY DB we have healthy to defend those, versus any LB we’ve almost ever had. I cannot believe that Morris or Tarp or Hunter is better at pass defending a WR in the slot than Prater, Hyde, Castillo, Lowe, or Bernstine or even Shumpert or whomever. I simply cannot believe that. A 240 LB cannot be as fast or nimble as a 180-200 pound DB, I don’t care who he is.

We’re talking needing a quick defender who can stay on a guy for 5-15 yards, then bat a ball away or pick it off. LB’s aren’t built that way. DB’s are. And on 4th quarter drives, it’s a pipe dream to think that keeping 2-3 LB’s in every play is going to stop that tough NW running game and save the day!

Because I can’t recall NW running the ball more than twice in the 4th quarter with anyone other than Persa. So why all the LB’s?Why not a dime package predominantly on those drive, with more aggressive coverage? I don’t get it.

"Apparently, riding Joe Paterno like a small horse is FROWNED UPON IN THIS ESTABLISHMENT!"

by The Director on Nov 15, 2010 8:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not going to read the previous posts

I just can’t do it. I’m still pissed about the game, with the exception of meeting some of you, it was a miserable day. I’m sorry. I’m sure everything that I’m saying was already screamed multiple times.
I’m really beginning to think that Norm needs to retire and KOK be shown the door. I just don’t have confidence in Norm being able to dedicate the time the team needs. Please keep him in some capacity for his knowledge, but the team needs someone dedicated who can make the call to make a change if something isn’t working. Or perhaps to say, hey we’ve gotten killed by teams who use mobile QBs hitting quick passes over the past couple of years. That’s what we’re facing this week. Maybe we should adjust a little to try to work that to our advantage.
On the offensive side, I just don’t know. We’re predictable. I don’t feel like we challenge the other team. We have a variety of weapons, but we don’t seem to be able to use them. Ricky doesn’t look like he did early in the year, he seems off target, but I don’t know why. I just don’t understand why we’re not able to attack average defenses. I blame KOK because I don’t know who else to blame.
I’m just frustrated. The only hope I have for OSU is that we “match up well with them”, which is to say, they don’t attack our weaknesses in quite such an obvious manner. But they have talent.
And why the fuck couldn’t I get a damn hot pretzel at the game? or a funnel cake that didn’t taste 3 days old. I’ve been to high school games that had better concessions than that hell hole.
AAARRHEHGHH. Now I’m just pissed again. Sorry.

It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?

by chitownhawkeye on Nov 15, 2010 7:12 PM CST reply actions  

i almost can't take the depth of feeling

it hurts

the insight, reflection, angst, turmoil and for the most intelligent analysis of any team, any on any site ever over the last 2+ days….. I think the thing none of us can get over is the depth of feeling we have for the Hawks, collectively, indivudually, coaches, players, each other…from minute, meaningful stats to just raw nerves hurting

i can’t remember another game or stretch of games that has torn our souls apart to this extent……

and if nothing else, if you don’t have depth of feeling what do you have?

the depth of feeling hurts and hurts and hurts but in the end that is what BHGP is and that is who we are …and couldn’t be prouder

and it still hurts

Private Joker, he's silly and he's ignorant, but he's got guts and guts is enough. Now you ladies carry on!

by privatejoker on Nov 15, 2010 7:30 PM CST reply actions  

one thing i have learned surviving cancer and this season

it means a lot when it hurts,,,
and i just hope these kids
rededicate themselves
to what is left,,,,,,
if they want it they have the talent,,
i may be done, but im not out

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by OhioHawk on Nov 15, 2010 7:39 PM CST reply actions  

Where is the

2 minute offense execution from last year? In all 3 losses we looked like a monkey fucking a football out there.

"You want an honest answer? I have no idea."
-Kirk Ferentz

by KF Bubblegum on Nov 15, 2010 7:49 PM CST reply actions  

I don't want to seem...

maudlin or that I don’t care that the Hawks played like (fill in the blank) the past 2 games, but I’m afraid that the way this season is playing out will diminish the accomplishments of a group of seniors who have given Iowa fans many great moments that included a great BCS bowl victory. As much as I’d like to see the Hawks find a way to beat OSU (and I think they are capable), I have a greater desire to see them play their final game at Kinnick knowing that our fanbase is proud of their accomplishments and the great memories they’ve left. I fear that if the OSU game doesn’t go well — a few of our vocal a-hole fans may express their frustration in a way that will diminish these great players. Stanzi has driven me crazy at times as much as many here, but I’m going to miss the hell out of the guy and feel that he’s been an exceptional QB and leader. Does this mean that I wasn’t screaming at my TV the past two weeks? Of course I was — we all were. But right now, I choose to focus on the great memories these seniors have given me and I could care less whether, at this point in time, Stanzi or Clayborn, et. al., are giving us the performances that we think we deserve.

By all means, let’s vent away — that’s what we do here, but let’s try to keep it in perspective.

What's your deal?

by PCarroll_u_sm(j)irk on Nov 15, 2010 10:28 PM CST reply actions  

DJK says

he’s going to “bleed black and yellow till death.” If only he knew, after five years, that the school colors are black and GOLD. I can’t talk, read or think about Northwestern anymore, so I’m going to pick on DJK. Picking on 22 year old kids is fun. I need some fun after the Port-a-John Stadium debacle.

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

by Hawkeyegirl on Nov 15, 2010 11:03 PM CST reply actions  

I found it humorous to see the port-a-potties

…sitting in the stands under the endzone, with the long line of black and gold waiting to use them. My section had a heated bathroom with porcelain urinals to pee in. It was quite nice!

by mwmakerx5 on Nov 16, 2010 1:45 AM CST up reply actions  

portos? WTF?

horrible, HORRIBLE stadium… we even have heated bathrooms for tailgating in the dental lot…

fightin for president stanzi's fightin americanzis since his first 13 yard charge - syracuse '07

by metcalfrhymeswithblodbath on Nov 16, 2010 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

We also have a place for tailgating.

It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?

by chitownhawkeye on Nov 16, 2010 6:07 PM CST up reply actions  

The Line did fine

Persa was just damn unsackable. he got away from three or four sacks and always got rid of the ball right before they got to him. Persa played like the best QB in the nation yesterday against an Iowa line that frankly looked like the best line in the nation. this was maybe the first time this whole year i thought the line looked like it was living up to the hype and Clayborn was pushing his guy way back every time. he pushed the guy on top of the kicker on one play, that was sick.

frankly iowa is good at defending the run and long passes and ok at stopping running QBs, its the short passes thats hurting us.

by justsomehawkeyefan on Nov 16, 2010 1:04 AM CST reply actions  

Persa played like the best QB in the nation yesterday

Yesterday? Try the whole damn season….the guy is incapable of having a bad game.

(Okay, I’ll admit….Cam Newton and Kellen Moore might be better.)

by Chadnudj on Nov 16, 2010 6:12 AM CST up reply actions  

The real takeaway....

… is College Gameday. Taken away from some manure-smelling intersection in Iowa City and brought to the corner of Addison and Clark in Chicago, because you lost to Northwestern AGAIN.

by pummer on Nov 16, 2010 1:20 AM CST reply actions  

You are an ignoramus.

Gameday in IC is downtown by the Union, not a cow or farm in sight.

Besides, a lot of us are tired of Gameday, which oddly enough seems to take focus off the actual game. If I were a betting man, I’d bet the farm (see what I did there?) on the Illini this weekend.

"Apparently, riding Joe Paterno like a small horse is FROWNED UPON IN THIS ESTABLISHMENT!"

by The Director on Nov 16, 2010 9:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Meh, too be fair . . . almost every Hawkeye fan would have loved to host Gameday this year . . .

Also, Kinnick is probably a couple miles from cornfields. There may be no larger stadiums closer to cornfields in the world. I think that’s super-awesome.

Besides, he didn’t say that Kinnick was close to cornfields, he said it was near a manure-smelling intersection. And that’s accurate, ’cause Hawkeyes know how to tailgate.

by The Final Gun on Nov 17, 2010 2:17 AM CST up reply actions  

actually, theres not much goin on in terms of livestock anywhere near iowa city

at least, not in the density its present elsewhere in the state, and all over illinois come to think of it… thought provoking troll

fightin for president stanzi's fightin americanzis since his first 13 yard charge - syracuse '07

by metcalfrhymeswithblodbath on Nov 16, 2010 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Interesting reading

For those of you who think of us as “just Northwestern” or refer to our “one game season” need I remind you that for three of the last four seasons you’ve had the same won-loss record as “just Northwestern?” Oh, and the one season you finished better was 2009, and we all remember how our head-to-head match up turned out that year, don’t we? NU isn’t a football powerhouse, and we don’t pretend to be.

My worst college football experience was my roadtrip to Iowa City last year where guys in their 30’s and 40s got in my face, called me names (I hadn’t heard since Jr. high) and told me I needed to get a real school as I quietly walked with my Hawkeye alum friends. Over the years, I never had a reason to hate the Hawkeyes……until that experience. But instead of trash talking or name calling, I’ve just quietly sat back and let my guys to their ultimate talking on the gridiron, and 4 of the last 5 years they had the last word.

There was a Hawkeye in my section at Ryan Field on Saturday. I asked him if he was a Chicago-area Iowa alum or if he had made the trip from Iowa. He told me he drove in from Cedar Rapids for the game. I shook his hand and welcomed him to Evanston.

If anyone in Evanston ever treated a Big Ten visitor as rudely as I was treated in Iowa City, I’d be ashamed. And ironically, after Saturday, both of our teams are 7-3. Welcome to the middle of the Big Ten Hawkeyes!

by mwmakerx5 on Nov 16, 2010 1:38 AM CST reply actions  

Yeah, I don't think you're personally doing anything to erase the terms.

But good luck.

"The coaches don't know what they're doing! Start Newsome!"
Beat Sam Lickliter.

by ReadingRambler on Nov 16, 2010 8:02 AM CST up reply actions  

So you're annoyed that someone was rude to you on your visit to the stadium.

But you went out of your way to be a jackass at an Iowa blog? Do you not see the irony?

by The Mexican't on Nov 16, 2010 8:05 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Of course he can't see the irony...

he goes to jNW! Seriously, if you really want to have a great time, visit The Horseshoe — tOSU fans are the salt of the earth (ok, some visitors describe them as the scum of the earth, but that’s just splitting hairs).

What's your deal?

by PCarroll_u_sm(j)irk on Nov 16, 2010 8:37 AM CST up reply actions  

I can see the irony......

sorry if you don’t like my truthful recant of my experiences in your backyard. I’ve been going to Big Ten games for 17 years, and my two worst experiences have been with Ohio State fans coming to Evanston and my visit to Iowa City last year.

All I know is that I’ve not been called a “fag” in my adult life until my trip to Iowa City.

by mwmakerx5 on Nov 16, 2010 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

In all seriousness...

none of us like to hear that a visitor has had a negative experience while visiting Kinnick. We joke, we kid, but we’re not hateful, despite what you’d like to think. I had a guy rob me on a trip to Chicago 10 years ago, would it me fair of me to conclude that all residents of Illinois are violent criminals? If I did, I’d be an idiot. My guess is that you were treated well by the vast majority of Hawkeye fans. The fact that some idiot called you a ‘fag’ is terrible, but that certainly doesn’t represent the behavior of 99% of Hawkeye fans.

Now run along, you’ve beaten this horse to death.

What's your deal?

by PCarroll_u_sm(j)irk on Nov 16, 2010 4:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm truly sorry you had an unpleasant experience at Kinnick

That isn’t something anyone should have to endure. But it’s amazing, EVERY internet fan who has ever gone to an opponent’s stadium always has the exact same experience: rude local fans yelling/taunting/throwing objects at their head, profanities rained down upon innocent children and Zombies attacking them (wait, that last one is just PSU), all the while they were peacefully minding their own business. I don’t doubt what happened to you, but I also think there is some self-selection in your memory, you choose to remember the bad parts of your experience and ignore the 99% of the fans/experience that probably ignored you altogether.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Nov 16, 2010 11:12 AM CST up reply actions  

I never had a bad experience until....

I came to Iowa. I’ve been to most Big Ten venues, except the horseshoe at OSU, and I know better to even attempt that one. Never once have I had anyone blast me crap at other Big Ten venues while wearing the purple.

I have no doubt profanities are rained down on people all the time, but really? Do you want to be on par with Buckeye fans?

by mwmakerx5 on Nov 16, 2010 1:08 PM CST up reply actions  

You're missing the point, retard

"I know you're from Middle America, and sometimes you feel like you're representing more than just a school or a conference, maybe an entire group of American citizens out there."

by Twin Cities Hawk on Nov 16, 2010 2:10 PM CST up reply actions  

well, i dont like you

on a related note, i love all other big ten fans.

so there.

fightin for president stanzi's fightin americanzis since his first 13 yard charge - syracuse '07

by metcalfrhymeswithblodbath on Nov 16, 2010 1:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry

There are dickwads in every crowd. I suspect that on Saturday, somewhere in Ryan field, a Hawkeye fan got the same treatment you got in Iowa City. Happens every week at every venue. Please, don’t assume we are all as such.

But, you are right. Until we change a couple of things we are a mid tier Big Ten team. And it pains me to say so.

How would you like your steak done, Mr Sweater Vest?

by FiveSecondRuleChef on Nov 16, 2010 5:49 AM CST reply actions  

No.
Until we change a couple of things we are a mid tier Big Ten team.

Just no.
Mid-tier Big Ten teams don’t finish in the Top Ten in the nation four times in a decade.

by The Final Gun on Nov 17, 2010 2:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Don't know if this point has been made.

One other thing the “bend but don’t win” defense does is keep your defense on the field. Tiring out a defense is legal.

by Stay thirsty, my friends. on Nov 16, 2010 8:55 AM CST reply actions  

lethal?

i cant tell where youre goin here

fightin for president stanzi's fightin americanzis since his first 13 yard charge - syracuse '07

by metcalfrhymeswithblodbath on Nov 16, 2010 1:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Look at First Downs

I think a big part of the problem is first down. We cushion 8-10 yards off wideouts on early downs, often allowing for 4-6 yard gains. Someone runs for 2-3 yards second down. Then its a short pickup for a first, making it easy to do, hence the large number of 3rd down conversions. This is the bend-don’t break mantra. Now, if we get a stop on first down (or short gain) suddenly, everything goes in our favor (duh). Everyone knows we don’t blitz and we give up the short under stuff, so they are taking it, and it gives them a good shot on third.

On another note, I think this is why our offense is struggling. We are getting very little on first down, leading to long distance third downs. It seemed like NW had a bajillion 3-and-2s last Saturday, and we had a bunch of 3-and-8s.

I should note that I have not broken down game film and have no stats to back me up. If I didn’t spend so much time reading this blog at work, maybe I could do that sort of work up. But that is my working theory. We need more first down pressure, stops on D.

by RodgersHasAHose on Nov 16, 2010 10:05 AM CST reply actions  

Ok, so I did look at the stats

From the game play-by-play

2nd down and less than 5 yards:
IA = 5 for the game, NW = 9 for the game (incl. 4 in 4Q)

3rd down and less than 5 yards:
IA = 4 for the game, NW = 10 for the game (incl. 5 in 4Q)

by RodgersHasAHose on Nov 16, 2010 10:25 AM CST up reply actions  

I disagree completely

The D-line has plenty of depth including six guys who could be starters with Binns, Ballard, Klug, Clayborn, Daniels and Daniel. Then we also have Bigach who has also come in and he and Daniel both have at least one sack.

What’s been killing our D is giving up 8 yards of cusion ON EACH AND EVERY PLAY! It has been scheme and the failure to adjust by the new interim DC(s).

It also hasn’t helped that teams like Michigan and NU have run something like 8,546 Offensive plays each quarter. If the Offense could actually produce something on the field then the D would have a breather.

by the_iowa_hawkeye on Nov 16, 2010 11:08 AM CST reply actions  

i think the point is that

we need (some) depth at LB or (more/compensatory) depth on the DL to overcome our weeknesses in shallow coverage. our line is more than adequate if the LBs are stronger or the offense keeps them off the field. its a mexican standoff of blame – each part of our team is good enough to be a piece of a top 25 team (apparently). our DL wouldnt be out of place on a top 5 team, if there was a top 5 secondary and offense to complement.

i mean this in defense of the D line, its common after disappointment/loss to put the most pressure on our strengths because theyre the things that we thought would be enough to carry us through other weaknesses.

on the upswing – our O line is doing very well – with BOATLOADS of rest and a fairly talented couple running backs… but why cant ricky settle down? has he lost confidence in our line? and on obviousobviousobvious running downs our OL sags and stutters just like we thought it would coming into the season yet no griping. because we thought our defense (centered on our line) would be enough to win the games.

what it comes down to is that across the board, none of our best is good enough to make up for the lapses we have elsewhere. we are only as strong as our weakest link(s) and we have certainly had some surprises this season.

that being said, ill still be in attendance for at least one more game this year (if not both). and im excited.

fightin for president stanzi's fightin americanzis since his first 13 yard charge - syracuse '07

by metcalfrhymeswithblodbath on Nov 16, 2010 2:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey, dude, if you're in town this weekend, shoot me an email . . .

I’m free on Friday night for awhile, and Saturday from about 1 p.m. on.

by The Final Gun on Nov 17, 2010 2:25 AM CST up reply actions  

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