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Worries about the Michigan game

I'll be honest, the Michigan game in two weeks really, really scares me.  Not because Michigan is a better team than us, they aren't, but because of the mindset of our coaching staff.  Last night was a perfect example of the mentality Ferentz brings to the game, a commanding lead at half-time and defensive domination leads to incredibly conservative playcalling in the second half.  At this point, I honestly don't know why I was (1) surprised by this and (2) angry about it; after twelve years of this staff, I should know what to expect.  After gnashing my teeth frequently last night by Iowa's stubborn refusal to simply curb-stomp PSU into oblivion, I restored my inner zen and accepted that this is who we are and the coaches won't change.  And it was foolish and arrogant of me to second-guess the coaching staff at this point.

But still, I don't see this being effective against Michigan.  Whatever Denard's and Michigans flaws are, and they are many, one thing Michigan can do is score a lot of points, and do so quickly and in rapid succession.  There's no indication that Michigan can actually stop anyone, but this is a team with one of the most dynamic offenses I've seen in years.  And, as I mentioned, the scariest part is how quickly Michigan can score.  Simply put, with Denard Robinson Michigan is never out of the game, something I hope the coaching staff takes note of.  I don't like Iowa's chances if we're up 10 or more at half and play the entire second half not to lose.  That will work against many, if not most, teams, but I see it as a recipe for disaster against Michigan.

Unless of course Greg Jones kills Denard next Saturday.  Something I put as having a 75% chance of happening.  If he doesn't, here's hoping Clayborn/Ballard/Daniels finishes the job.

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The one factor here

is that KF understands that there is a fundamental difference between a RichRod team and a JoePa team. I believe he understands that you take the foot off the gas on a JoePa team, because JoePa would do the same, and they aren’t likely to burst out for 45 points.
I could be wrong. I hope I’m not.

It never gets to be easy

by chitownhawkeye on Oct 3, 2010 1:17 PM CDT reply actions  

I think there's some truth to that

But, at the same time, we took our foot off the gas right away in the 2nd. Even a FG drive or so would have made me breath easier last night because it was real close to being a one-score game. The goal-line stop was amazing but it’s a little disconcerting to have a team that you’re dominating being that close to being right back in the game.

And I think that yes, KF would do all he could to avoid embarassing Paterno, and I’m ok with that. But I’m still a little worried about letting teams hang around

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Oct 3, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Penn State still wouldn't have been close to being back in the game.

The score would have been deceptive. Davie was impressed by our line, but I never once got the impression that Iowa couldn’t go back to the air if they wanted to.

"We just ran out of time." [sly smile] - Joe Paterno

by ReadingRambler on Oct 3, 2010 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

The first sentence of your last paragraph

Probably says it all, in terms of why we took the foot off the gas. 1) to avoid opening the playbook, but 2) KF has enormous respect for Joe Pa and when you know you’re going to likely win the game whether the final margin is 1 or 40, what’s the point of curb stomping when its not necessary?

In a lot of ways, this is a more psychologically deflating loss for Penn State than simply having the score run up on them… if you get blown out, you just shrug and say “Hmmm, we got blown out.” Instead, you have a game where “hmmm… they could have blown us out… instead, they chose to squeeze us and hammer us…” Don’t think the way they were dominated isn’t going to mess with their heads before the next time they play Iowa. You can count on it.

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by The Bird Cult on Oct 3, 2010 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but that whole psychology thing better not (and doesn't) apply to Minnesota.

Because the score of Iowa’s last game against Tim Brewster better make the national media as a whole piss their pants laughing.

I'm gonna give her my "D" face. Deeeee, deeee, deeee!
---Norm Parker

by hkobb7 on Oct 3, 2010 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think

field position and the PSU defense dictated the second half play calling more than a desire to “go conservative.” You’ve got to credit PSU for that, I think. Will we against Michigan, unlike last night, be able to run the ball more effectively? I think/hope so. That keeps Denard off the field, and opens up PA more for us. We should be able to better stretch the field against Michigan.

Of course, I’m also dying to see what Norm and this D can do against Denard. Should be very interesting.

by icculus on Oct 3, 2010 1:18 PM CDT reply actions  

We won't run the ball more effectively

If we keep insisting on running the zone-stretch play to the left side that HAS NOT WORKED ALL SEASON. It didn’t work against EIU, ISU or Ball State, the fact that it didn’t work against PSU is no surprise. Nonetheless, we ran it 5-6 times that I remember, usually for no gain or a small loss. Look, ARob brings a lot the the table, but hte simple fact is that his skill set does not mesh with that play

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Oct 3, 2010 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

The PA waggle to the TE or WR

that we run so often keys off that play. We have to run it regardless if it’s working or not, in order to keep the defense on its toes.

Brunettes not fighter jets

by rockyh on Oct 4, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Over Conservative Offense

You can blame Ferentz but blame should be focused on him letting KOK call the plays. If I see us in a 3rd and 13 situation again and we run off tackle to the short side of the field I am going to hang my head a cry like a baby. I can just hear the conversation between KOK and his brain trust…“Let’s see, I bet they won’t be looking for an off tackle to the short side, let’s run it and tell the punter to get loose”.

We have the WMD’s…fucking use them and bury the bastards please. Go for the fucking hog kill, make them fear you offense like they fear you defense!

I love the smell of napalm in the morning...it smells like victory -- Lt. Col Bill Kilgore

by BadgerHawk on Oct 3, 2010 1:19 PM CDT reply actions  

Frankly, I don't think KOK or KF care about how the opponent "feels".
If I see us in a 3rd and 13 situation again and we run off tackle to the short side of the field I am going to hang my head a cry like a baby. I can just hear the conversation between KOK and his brain trust…"Let’s see, I bet they won’t be looking for an off tackle to the short side, let’s run it and tell the punter to get loose".

I think the conversation is more like this, "let’s see…we’re inside our own 35 and need 13 yards to convert the first down. We could try a pass, which the defense is expecting and has the proper personnel and play call to defend. If we do that, our chances of converting are somewhat better but so are our chances of turning the ball over in our own end of the field.

The other option is we run the ball off tackle to the short side. Our chances of picking it up are really slim, but so are our chances of making a major mistake. Right now we’re up two TDs, our punter is on the Ray Guy watchlist and our defense is absolutely stifling. Let’s go with the run. If we get it, great. If not, we’ll kick it away, let the defense force a three and out and we’ll try it again in a couple minutes with the ball ahead of the chains."

Ultimately, I don’t think the coaches care about striking fear into the hearts of the opposition. They don’t care about converting specific third downs, they care about winning football games. Sometimes running the ball on third and long in your own end of the field with the intention of kicking it away gives you the best chance to win the game, even if it makes the fans a little more frustrated.

by Abbas_Cincinnatus on Oct 4, 2010 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

This

If the defense was inconsistent or getting burned, you would see a completely different play call on third and long. There was 0 reason to pass on 3rd and long against Penn St since a big play (like an interception in Iowa territory) was the only way they were getting back in the game. If you don’t throw and have a sure handed running back, there is a very, very low chance of turning the ball over if you keep it on the ground.

"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable

by ClaybornSmash on Oct 4, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Short memory.

Too many Iowa fans have one. But let me qualify something first…

While I’m certainly not thrilled at KOK’s complete lack of creativity or testicular fortitude when it comes to games like the one last night, this Penn State team we played was absolutely unable to do anything against our defense. The time of possession was nearly equal between the two teams, yet the Hawks won by 21. That’s on the defense, and while it pains many, I think the coaches realize this and savor the experience, confidence and conditioning the defense can gain from completely shutting down a team throughout the entire course of a game even when they’re in total control.

Now, to my point… we didn’t see this team able to offensively squash teams last year because of how many close games there were, and the ISU game doesn’t count, because Arnaud was playing offense for us. But this year, against ISU and the other popcorn farts we’ve played, this offense continued to put points on the board. Granted, that should be expected. But in 2008, there were several times when this team continued to put up points late in games. Most of the time, these points come on the ground. The game plan seems to change game to game, but it really doesn’t. KOK essentially keeps the same game plan with a solid lead, no matter how many points we’re up.

Now, no team with a 14 point lead should really be going into “meh…” mode offensively at the beginning of the third quarter. The point I’m making, however, is that if the run game were working a little better later in the game last night, nobody would be making a big deal of this. Instead, the run game sputtered and we punted a fair amount, and allowed the D to dominate instead.

In the end, I see this as crying over spilled milk. Every situation is different. I wouldn’t worry about this kind of thing hurting us when it comes to Michigan.

by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Oct 3, 2010 1:25 PM CDT reply actions  

The run game definitely sputtered.

But part of that is the fact that the playcalling was soooooo predictable and sooooo consistent that Penn State likely knew what type of play was coming and when. I’m not blaming KOK for the anemic run game (I think it’s actually the offensive line that does the blocking, but I could be wrong), and it could have just been he and KF easing off the pressure (and by easing, I mean throwing a car into park on the interstate during halftime), but damn, good play action on first down would have been effective.

A side note: Did anyone notice that the two plays that Paul Chaney Jr. was in on were end-arounds? I think someone might notice that. In fairness, though, one of them was run by Colin Sandeman (for a net gain of about a yard, IIRC). Methinks a Chaney screen or a Chaney punt return would be exciting, especially since he seems to have more speed than Sandeman.

I'm gonna give her my "D" face. Deeeee, deeee, deeee!
---Norm Parker

by hkobb7 on Oct 3, 2010 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

...Iowa's stubborn refusal to simply curb-stomp PSU into oblivion...

Actually, it looked to me like that’s exactly what Iowa did.

We’ll be fine against Michigan. The game plan will be adjusted accordingly on both sides of the ball. Georgia Tech had a terrifying offense too.

by Bucketochicken on Oct 3, 2010 1:26 PM CDT reply actions  

But GT was the anti-Michigan

their offense is built around ball control and winning TOP, not to mention just running it down an opponent’s throat. Michigan is the opposite, they are a quick-strike score fast team and one you can’t have hanging around because of that fact

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Oct 3, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hawks rarely curb-stomp...

It’s more like squeezing an opponent to death, like a python.

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

by Blackheartnopants on Oct 3, 2010 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

x1000

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by The Bird Cult on Oct 3, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

"Just drive down that road, until you get blown up"
- General George Patton, to his reconnaissance troops

by Zulu on Oct 3, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

While you have a point No Pants, must clarify my =1 was for Chicken Bucket...

"Just drive down that road, until you get blown up"
- General George Patton, to his reconnaissance troops

by Zulu on Oct 3, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Michigan punted 10 times against Notre Dame

they have not played anyone who can tackle yet. Also, depsite playing teams they are vastly superior to in terms of talent, their defense is ranked 102 in total defense. They are 120th against the pass. And no teams waste time running on them since the pass is so open and the games are played as shootouts, but they allow 125 yards rushing per game. We allow 63. UMass had over 200 yards rushing against them. They are 73rd nationally in scoring defense, allowing 25 points a game.

 And while, yes, they are #2 in total offense consider who they have played…their top shelf team is Notre Dame.

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Oct 3, 2010 1:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Not a misprint

Michigan is dead last in passing offense. They’ve faced Ben Chappell, three ND quarterbacks, Kyle Havens, Aaron Pankratz, and Zach Frazer. Yeah. Highest passer rating among that group? Ben Chappell, who built up his stats against the worst ranked schedule in D-1.

There is not a lot, other than Denard Robinson highlight reel runs, to be really concerned about.

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Oct 3, 2010 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Which is why, in my mind, the entire game hinges on

Tarp and Hunter. If those two can corral D-Rob then I think Iowa puts Michigan down like a sick dog.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Oct 3, 2010 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes...thanks for the coorection

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Oct 4, 2010 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

*correction

Brunettes not fighter jets

by rockyh on Oct 4, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not even sure I consider them especially "dynamic".

I’m not even sure I consider Robinson especially dynamic yet. The entire team is riding one player right now. That one player is extremely good, but what happens if he has to pass downfield?

"We just ran out of time." [sly smile] - Joe Paterno

by ReadingRambler on Oct 3, 2010 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well that's just it

he hasn’t faced a defense or a game plan yet. He has played teams that are just chasing him around. Notre Dame had a plan then their Qb got hurt and they panicked.

That is what RichRod does, he lures you into a street game. When Rich Rod has faced really fundamental defensive football teams he has been totally contained. The problem with the spread is that it has no plan B. Take away the run and contain the pass and it gets confused.

Here is your template:
http://espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=273350277

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Oct 3, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice reference

Look at the time of possession in that game…. something that we are capable of dominating. I see Michigan throwing hissy fits on the sideline if we hang onto the ball for 5-8 minutes a drive… especially considering how leaky their defense is.

I could see us hanging 200-300 yards of rushing on them. Easy. Of course, that means someone besides A-Rob is going to have to carry the ball… shades of the Ball State game.

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by The Bird Cult on Oct 3, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Uncage the Coked-up Werewolf!

"You think you can take me? Go ahead on. It's your move." -- Thomas Jefferson Geronimo III

by IPeeBlackAndGold on Oct 5, 2010 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Michigan's Defense being that bad

makes it all the more imperative that we score a lot. And I’m just a bit worried that too often, the first instinct of KF and KOK is to turtle-up the second we have a two-score lead in the second half. Against this team, we need to (and really just should from a moral standpoint) just keep pouring the points on them. We have the talent to do so, will we have the coaching fortitude to allow it?

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Oct 3, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here's the nice thing about Michigan:

THEY DON’T HAVE A SECONDARY!

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Oct 3, 2010 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

The guys they have playing back there right now don’t even look like college football players. Maybe in a year or two I guess.

"We just ran out of time." [sly smile] - Joe Paterno

by ReadingRambler on Oct 3, 2010 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

They’re playing Eastern Illinois! Another FCS team. RichRod is so shameless!

"We just ran out of time." [sly smile] - Joe Paterno

by ReadingRambler on Oct 4, 2010 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

I find the fact that you are questioning the "coaching fortitude" of this staff incredible.

I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that the coaching staff understands the situation nearly as well as, or perhaps even as well as, us internet posters.

Hawkeye fan, born and bred. And when I die, a Hawkeye dead.

by bpriebe on Oct 4, 2010 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

make them grind

If you look at Michigan’s drives, they have scored plenty with plays of 40+ yards. I think if a solid defense can contain those big plays, they’ll have trouble grinding out enough scores to make up for their defense.

by rupertj on Oct 3, 2010 1:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Agreed

I don’t think Michigan has the ability, or the patience, to execute an 11 or 12 play drive that moves down the field methodically. IF we can force them to do that, we win.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Oct 3, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

"We'll be fine with Michigan"...

Had a house guest over the weekend. She walked into the room somewhere early fourth quarter Penn State and asked, “How’s your team doing?” I said, “Pretty good, except they’re sitting on a lead.” I was maybe a little frustrated. She replied, “I can think of a lot worse things to sit on.” Her name’s Beth.

I figured Captain Kirk shut down the O for three reasons. 1. The D was getting the job done (Did they look like they were from another planet, or what?). 2. Why open the play book for anyone to see if you don’t have to (open the playbook). 3. Ground game grinds up clock.

Next week Robinson has to do that run-for-his-life routine against Michigan State. Chances are he’s going to be hit so hard it will alter his DNA. Then he gets to show up at Iowa, a step slower, and run-for-his-life from the Hawks.

A game at a time. Bring it on.

"Just drive down that road, until you get blown up"
- General George Patton, to his reconnaissance troops

by Zulu on Oct 3, 2010 2:11 PM CDT reply actions  

If there is one game that I want to see next week

It is MSU v meeeeshigan. I want to see how MSU’s improved team does against detard robinson. I’m expecting them to knock his ass silly.

Welcome to Ohiowa, the great potato state!

by ninerhawk on Oct 3, 2010 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

If they hit him half as hard as they hit our boys last year

He’ll be seeing stars and tweety-birds by halftime

Brunettes not fighter jets

by rockyh on Oct 4, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Very true

I recall hearing that Michigan State was the most physical team we played last year. Should be fun to watch….what time is kickoff?

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by ninerhawk on Oct 4, 2010 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

2:30pm CST

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by RossWB on Oct 4, 2010 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks a lot!

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by ninerhawk on Oct 4, 2010 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can't wait to watch Jones v. Robinson

Jones has the speed to cut Robinson of at the edge and has the power to make him think twice about trying it again. I should be very entertaining.

by 6 seconds of hell on Oct 4, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

I dunno... i may have already fucked us all this morning

And if so, in advance, sincere apologies.

I was feeling a little giddy about our win last night, and I wore my throwback jersey to the Urban Cow 5K this morning… anyway, while I was waiting to run, I saw two Michigan fans wearing Michigan hats – man and wife, a little older than I am (I’m 49 next month), and I good naturedly came up to them and said “You guys are finally going to play a real defense in two weeks, Iowa!” They smiled, and were very nice, and, in fact, noted that there are periodic all Big 10 gatherings in the Sacramento area, and they’d had trouble finding Iowa fans (I suspect most of us are down in the Bay Area) to attend the gatherings. The guy gave me his business card and they invited me to watch the Michigan game with them in two weeks… I doubt if I’ll be able to because my kids are visiting from CT the entire week before the game (I’m taking them to Disneyland for 4 days) and that will be my focus, but I’ve probably totally screwed us with premature swagger. So, I apologize in advance.

When I finished the 5K (and I had my best run in two years, coming off a persistent left IT band injury – my PR for a 5K is 24:57, I ran around 29:09 – not amongst my fastest but I felt decent during the race and didn’t feel destroyed at the end in a bad way – its going to be a long path back to running decent 5K times for me (there was some 9 year old boy that – I am not shitting you – ran a 6:55 mile and was in the top 20 finishers or so), I was walking back to my car, and a group of four local Fleet Feet team runners were cooling down after the half marathon, and one of the guys yelled “Nice win last night Iowa!”

Me: “You recognize the throwback jersey?”

Guy: “Oh yeah! I love Iowa City. Its my favorite place in the world.”

So maybe we’re not fucked. I dunno.

I think the reason our playcalling WAS so conservative its its not in KF’s nature or our design to take risks unless its necessary. Why would we open up the playbook, when, in all likelyhood, we are going to need to throw some stuff at Michigan and Indiana that they’ve not seen… I don’t think its reasonable to expect our defense to hold either of those clubs to any less than 14 points… so we obviously are going to need 30 or more points of offense to beat those teams. Which, unless our running game turns into the bully Nebraska of the 1990s – remember when they’d run on 3 and 10 and regularly get the first down? – we are going to need some of the playbook to beat those teams.

There’s a method to the madness, but I’m not concerned about a letdown vs. Michigan. Its lets our LB corps get healthy, and it gives us time to practice a few schemes specifically for Michigan that they may not be expecting… and isn’t that a good thing?

After the debacle in the desert, I doubt if this team is going to practice or really be flat for any of the remaining games.

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by The Bird Cult on Oct 3, 2010 2:37 PM CDT reply actions  

I'll repeat from last night's game:

The definition of strength is the ability to show restraint.

What you saw last night was classic restraint. I wanted another “comfort score”, too. On the other hand, seeing our team win with such command (evidenced in their restraint) was truly impressive. Far less sexy in an obvious way, but impressive to a connoisseur of competition.

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by hawkblock on Oct 3, 2010 9:44 PM CDT reply actions  

I followed this same principle

when I was single and involved in the bar scene. Yup, restraint…that’s what it was…

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Oct 4, 2010 5:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Odds of winning

1) with chosen method of playcalling – very high

2) with more aggressive playcalling – still high, but lower than option 1.

Clearly, Ferentz agrees with me.

And against OSU last year as well (but replace “high” with “around 50%”)

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by Not Marv Cook on Oct 3, 2010 11:46 PM CDT reply actions  

Love your sig

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by The Bird Cult on Oct 4, 2010 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you

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by Not Marv Cook on Oct 4, 2010 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Look, I'm worried about Michigan, but I don't think it's very complicated

or has much to do with the second half of PSU.

No one has stopped Denard. Period. Either our front seven is strong enough and quick enough to contain the dude, or we lose. He’s having one of the more remarkable seasons in college football history.

I don’t think it helps to get into shootout mode: that’s Michigan’s personality, it is not our personality. If we are in shootout mode, it’s because we’re desperate.

We need to contain Denard, and by that, I don’t mean shut him down. He will get his yards. I mean, get him on the ground before he breaks second level contain. I think if we do that, they will have to shift gears and play an unfamiliar game.

That’s because I think that their offense is better between the 20’s than in the red zone, so again, if we can keep him in front of the second level, and they do pile up some drives (unlike at IN, where they skipped the drive part and just broke big plays for 6), they’ll be kicking field goals.

For me the primary difference between defending GT and Michigan is that GT’s triple begins with the fullback dive. It begins with the interior. Michigan’s begins with a superhuman guy running 1958-style QB sweeps. Michigan isn’t even bothering to block the backside DE’s. If we can just slow down those plays a little bit, we will have more Nic Grigsby-AC highlight clips.

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by Bellanca on Oct 4, 2010 8:17 AM CDT reply actions  

I think you just alluded to the key

Iowa is going to spread the D-line out and force Michigan to run inside by, in effect, taking away the wide run. If the LBs show discipline, then they will be the de facto contain, not the DEs (as in the GT game). Michigan will then look for cutbacks and play action. It will be a real challenge for us. But, I think it will be for them as well. They are going to be forced into being patient and surprised by how quickly we can go wide with our D-line.

I just keep looking at the Notre Dame game. Michigan was forced to punt 10 times. That game really showed that Michigan can be made to be uncomfortable with very average athletes. Notre Dame really took the edge away but lacked overall speed at LB and the DB talent to manage the busted plays. Robinson has done a ton of freelancing due to their opponents lacking discipline or athleticism.

Our defense is tons more athletic than ND’s. But we will get a preview, because Michigan will finally see good LBs this weekend. I expect Robinson to get a lot of tackles on his cutback move that really hurt in that game. Then…poof…no more cutbacks. I also expect Rich Rod to throw early in that game to put theMSU LBs in a bind. MSU has very ordinary passing defense. And MSU does not have a strong D-line.

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Oct 4, 2010 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Like always

our strength is making the other team march down the field. If they can do it, 4 yards a time, then they can win. I don’t see Michigan as a team that handles patient, sustained drives well.

It never gets to be easy

by chitownhawkeye on Oct 4, 2010 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Denard has been the best player on the field, obviously, in each game.

The question in respect of this game? Is he still, when Clayborn and Ballard are on the field? I don’t know. Implied in Davie’s praise for Iowa’s two “first-round pick” DEs is maybe not.

Too, RichRod has his own thinking cap, so we should assume that they’ve shown no more of their book than necessary.

Occasionally in D-III or D-II someone shows up who puts up the numbers of Denard. I do not recall anyone approaching what he is doing in D-I. I read one piece that said there were only two D-I QBs who passed for 1000 and ran for 900, over an entire season. Denard’s already done it in 5.

Good news: if Norm can’t scheme for success, over four weeks time, with this defense and personnel, we don’t have to feel bad. That means that no one can, and no team will stop them. I’m not blustering. Norm knows how to stop QB sweeps with numbers at the POA, because they simply outrun the backside. For example, and I am blowing smoke, it might be very interesting to see what happens if they simply cut Daniels loose to get in the backfield at any cost. He might be quick enough to cost them their edge. Put another, I’ll bet Daniels is as fast as Denard, on the first five steps.

Anyway, pointless speculation. I have no idea how you stop Denard, but it certainly seems to be impossible if your DEs are controlled, your linebackers get blocked, and your safeties take the wrong angles. In this sense it’s not so different than the high-level objectives with GT. Or, as Norm would say with a shrug, “No, we’re not going to do anything special. It’s just football, and there’s nothing really new in football.”

Mr. Boh Knows ...

by Bellanca on Oct 4, 2010 9:55 AM CDT reply actions  

Norm would probably also tell you that the six most important elements in football are,

blocking and tackling, blocking and tackling, blocking and tackling. And Iowa does that pretty well.

"Just drive down that road, until you get blown up"
- General George Patton, to his reconnaissance troops

by Zulu on Oct 4, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

Norm stated last year in the run-up to GT that he thought there were only three things that matter on defense:

a. tackling ability (i.e., we tackle in textbook fashion)
b. leverage (meaning: correct read in-play, reaction to read, angle of reaction; keeping everything in front of one)
c. toughness

These sound obvious, but you know? Watch a defense break down and fail, and everything (other than simple talent) ties back to one of these three. I don’t think there is a fourth.

Mr. Boh Knows ...

by Bellanca on Oct 4, 2010 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

As you said

one thing Michigan can do is score a lot of points. Well, one thing that Iowa can do (and can do well) is prevent teams from scoring points.

As the saying goes, the best offense is a good defense. Well, Iowa has a pretty damn good defense.

by HeroPatriotStanzi on Oct 4, 2010 11:27 AM CDT reply actions  

And our defense scored almost a third of our points last night.

So it is accurate in more than one sense of the saying.

"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable

by ClaybornSmash on Oct 4, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

The more I think about stopping Robinson

the more I think you have to treat every snap like a punk/kick return. That is to say, he’s so fast that if you’re out of position or over pursue in the least, he’s by you. Hold your lane and cut off his options. Don’t chase. If he runs, happily give up 4 yards to prevent giving up 15.
Luckily, we do that.

It never gets to be easy

by chitownhawkeye on Oct 4, 2010 6:48 PM CDT reply actions  

Hell, happily give up 15 yards to avoid him taking it to the house

I honestly think we’ll give up about 150-180 yards on the ground, including at least one rushing TD. He’ll throw for about 200 and a TD. I think we can hold Michigan to the low 20s and should be able to hang at least 30 on them.

by PackerHawk on Oct 5, 2010 1:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

reply fail ^

Denard Robinson: Gay-er-er than a bag of dicks.

by ninerhawk on Oct 4, 2010 7:15 PM CDT reply actions  

I am a moron

Denard Robinson: Gay-er-er than a bag of dicks.

by ninerhawk on Oct 4, 2010 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

help me out here...

I may be way off base here but I found myself comparing Denard Robinson to Nile Kinnick in my head. If it weren’t for the fact that Kinnick played defense as well I think we’re kind of looking at the same player here. Sure, Robinson is faster no doubt and not the bruiser that Kinnick was but they’re both carrying an entire team on their back. Swing away…

by 2BlocksFromKinnick on Oct 5, 2010 1:53 AM CDT reply actions  

Who trolls BHGP just two blocks from Kinnick??

Compare away if Denard wins the Heisman.
Lots of Big Ten games left…

Q. Who let the dogs out?
A. Norm Parker

by BentNotBroken on Oct 5, 2010 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

When Denard does the punts, kickoffs, punt and kick returns, and gets 8 interceptions in an 8 game season in addition to throwing and running for most of his teams offense we can start comparing him to Kinnick. Until then, no… Just no.

by HawkeyeInExile on Oct 5, 2010 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's what I was thinking

but I couldn’t help thinking of it as a little similar. Clearly if Robinson was an “Ironman” he would have already been killed already.

by 2BlocksFromKinnick on Oct 5, 2010 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

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