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It's Not Plagiarism If You Link To It is BHGP's regular news roundup. Send all tips to any of the email addresses at the bottom of the page. But preferably not all of them at once. We usually end up laughing at people who do that.

NOTE: Don't forget to make your picks in the BHGP College Pick 'Em game this week.

As the Gatens turns... Big Ten Basketball Media Day was yesterday and while there wasn't a whole lot of news about Iowa (SPOILER ALERT: Iowa wasn't picked to finish in the top three of the league and no Iowa player made the preseason All-Big Ten team), we did get some good news re: Gatens' hand injury from Fran.  In short, it's probably not so bad after all:

COACH MCCAFFERY: You know, Matt’s having surgery today. You’re probably looking at three weeks before he can play. He’s obviously going to want to play before that. I think that the iffy thing right now is will he play in our first game, will he play in our first two games. That I can’t answer. It’s a possibility, but it may not happen.

In his absence, Roy Devyn Marble should get a lot more action, although McCaffery also said he'd use Zach McCabe and Eric May at the two-guard spot as well.  Beyond that, there wasn't a ton of news, aside from Fran all-but-confirming that Melsahn Basabe will be a starter, which means that we're probably looking at a starting five of Payne, May, Marble, Basabe, and Cole, with Gatens replacing Marble when he gets healthy. 

That said, the McCaffery Q&A is worth reading if for no other reason than the sheer sense of hope and optimism he's bringing to the program -- he talks about turning Andrew Brommer into a legitimate Big Ten post player and, by god, I believe him.  Again, we'll see in the coming weeks and months how well Iowa can live up to the talk, but at this point just having someone there who can whisper sweet nothings in my ear -- and do so convincingly -- is kind of intoxicating.

And in other hoopyball news, little may be expected of the men's team, but the same cannot be said for the ladies.  They were tabbed second in the preseason poll (behind Ohio State) and senior guard Kachine Alexander was named to the preseason All-Big Ten team.  High expectations are a new thing for the women's team; hopefully they handle them well.  It would be nice to see one of the Iowa hoopyball teams involved in "a March situation" this year.

Normal programming to return Saturday.  Remember that cat named Normal in Garfield?  Man, I hated that annoying little fuzzbag and couldn't understand why Garfield didn't just engineer an "accident" involving the garbage disposal with that little douche.  Then again, I was nine and also didn't understand why my real cat couldn't eat lasagna just like Garfield.  And apparently that cat's name was actually "Nermal," so what the fuck.  Anyway,  that was a thing named "Norm" (or not, but whatever) that sucked.  Luckily, there are a lot of things named "Norm" that are awesome, like Norm from Cheers, or Norm MacDonald, or Norm Parker.  Speaking of... per Ferentz's reply at an I-Club breakfast this morning, Norm's going to be back in the pressbox for the Michigan State game tomorrow.  Based on what Ferentz said earlier in the week, it's unclear how much he'll be able to do tomorrow, but hell, just having him back up there is good news. 

Star-divide

Michigan State: where "zero tolerance" means "well, maybe a little tolerance after all."  Senior cornerback Chris L. Rucker, a starter for the Michigan State defense until he spent the last few weeks in jail for violating his parole after being charged with reckless driving (which he pled down from a DUI), was immediately reinstated to the team yesterday by Mark Dantonio, although he oddly left it up to Rucker as to whether or not he travels with the team to Iowa City.  The story might not have garnered much news if Michigan State hadn't been the latest Big Ten program tabbed with the "out of control" label last fall and if Dantonio hadn't announced a "no tolerance" policy last December, but them's the breaks.  ESPN's Adam Rittenberg excoriated Dantonio for his decision and Pants-in-Chief Jacobi took a critical view of the matter at his CBS gig.  Look, we understand that Iowa doesn't have a ton of moral high ground when it comes to football players getting in trouble with the law, but c'mon: this is bullshit.  Whether or not he should be allowed to remain on the team, letting him go from the slammer to the football field in 48 hours is utter horseshit and Dantonio's mealy-mouthed, half-assed justifications don't make it any easier to swallow.

Record-breakin'.  After yet another scintillating performance last week and with the career reception record poised to tumble as soon as he records a catch against Michigan State, Friends of the Pants Andy Hamilton and Marc Morehouse both profiled the elusive, record-breaking Derrell Johnson-Koulianos this week.  They're both good reads, and the Hamilton one has this amusing anecdote about DJK's love of push-up:

The Hawkeyes have learned to count on the unexpected from DJK — from his flair for the big play to his habit of randomly dropping down and doing push-ups.

"I’ve been over to his house a few times. All of a sudden you see him drop and start doing push-ups while you’re in the middle of a conversation and he still keeps the conversation going without missing a breath."

Speaking of records, blog buddy Fight for Iowa has a breakdown of some single season and career records that various Iowa offensive players have legitimate shots to reach this year.  Before the year started, it seemed wildly improbable that DJK could get the career records hat trick (yards, receptions, touchdowns), but with the touchdown-catching tear that he's been on (eight touchdowns in the last five games), it's become a possibility.  He already has the yardage mark, he's one reception away from that record, and he needs just seven more scoring grabs to get that one.  Needless to say, if he does that, he'll shatter the single-season record (11 by Mo Brown in 2002) and almost certainly go down with the greatest season an Iowa receiver has ever had.

BASELINE JUMP SHOTZ:

* Don't hold your breath for the announcement of Big Ten division names and don't expect divisions or protected rivals in basketball, either.

* Big Ten Network to more than double Gus Johnson's workload on BTN this year.  Our response: NICE.  Now if you'll excuse us, we need to go play with the Gus Johnson Soundboard for the rest of the day...

* On a non-sports related note, if'n you like zombie movies, I highly recommend watching The Walking Dead on AMC on Sunday.  It's good stuff.  (And in other zombie-related news, last night's Community was fucking awesome and if you disagree you are wrong and stupid.)

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Ah, Community

“Modern Warfare” last year was hilarious. My wife DVRs them all. I’ll check it out this weekend.

In Norm we trust.

by Mr. Grizz on Oct 29, 2010 12:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Dunno if it was as good as "Modern Warfare."

But it was really, really good.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Oct 29, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Community eps will forever be rated against Modern Warfare

And even though last night’s wasn’t as good, it’s probably the best of season 2, so far.

by The Mexican't on Oct 29, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Oct 29, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Seconded.

After Modern Warfare I thought it had surpassed 30 Rock as the best thursday night comedy but they have slid a little this season and 30 Rock has reclaimed its crown (if you don’t count the live episode). Hopefully Stanzi continues Reaganing tomorrow.

by Argulor on Oct 29, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

..and as to basketball

we have two new words this year, “hope” and “belief”. Maybe they’ll stay.

In Norm we trust.

by Mr. Grizz on Oct 29, 2010 1:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Moxy?

Where is the swagger this very website tried extol on the unwashed masses? I have to say that I’m not feeling it on this site or out in the general public. I am jacked that we get to kick the wholly hell out of MSU on Halloween!!

by Off Constantly on Oct 29, 2010 1:06 PM CDT reply actions  

The fact that Iowa hasn't yet played well against a good opponent tends to kill the moxy.

Just saying.

"Yeah, and that’s bullshit, cause Boise plays Kirkwood every other weekend".
Smokin' Herb Grigsby's Mom (+1, I say)

by hkobb7 on Oct 29, 2010 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Walking Dead

looks amazing, so excited for that show

by Loretta8 on Oct 29, 2010 1:09 PM CDT reply actions  

As am I.

I was a bit depressed when Mad Men ended because my Sunday night viewing took a hit. Luckily, Walking Dead is here to save the day.

by The Mexican't on Oct 29, 2010 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

The even better news

is that its only two more months till “Justified” returns

I didn't order assholes with my whiskey

by White Lightning on Oct 29, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Which, in my opinion, is already a month overdue.

"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me

by BStylin Hawkye on Oct 29, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I jost got an email,

notifying me(and now you all) that Amazon is taking preorders of “Justified” season 1, didn’t say when it was to be released, but oddly the Blu-ray version was priced lower($34.99) than the standard definition version($35.99)

I didn't order assholes with my whiskey

by White Lightning on Oct 30, 2010 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I saw an ad for Archer, as well.

But I didn’t catch the timeline for its return.

by The Mexican't on Oct 29, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

January, I think.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Oct 29, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Got Dammit, Raylan!

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

by Blackheartnopants on Oct 29, 2010 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Community was fucking bad-ass.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Oct 29, 2010 1:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Walking Dead

Can’t wait. How’d you watch it early?

Also, Dude, Chinamen is not the prefered nomenclature. Asian-American, please.

by Settles'7thYearOfEligibility on Oct 29, 2010 1:16 PM CDT reply actions  

The interwebs are a magical and wonderful place.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Oct 29, 2010 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess I'm just lazy

And probably lack the Internet speed required.

/live in the middle of nowhere

Also, Dude, Chinamen is not the prefered nomenclature. Asian-American, please.

by Settles'7thYearOfEligibility on Oct 29, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

For reals, drop me a line through the email at the bottom of the page.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Oct 29, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

problem with this though

is i have to watch on my crappy laptop screen rather than in HD on TV

so im holding out

by Loretta8 on Oct 29, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Understandable.

It is just two days away after all.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Oct 29, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Gatens out indefinitely" = Gatens out 3 weeks

Thanks for riling everyone up, UI SID!

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Oct 29, 2010 1:19 PM CDT reply actions  

I say sell the naming rights

to the divisions. The network and realignment are blatant cash grabs so why stop there.

As far as Chris L. Tucker, let him play. He’s fuckin’ stoned all the time anyway. And you know this, maaaan!

"You're going to go out there with a dick full of confidence. Then, you're going to go out there and shoot that confidence all over the stadium." -Blue Mountain State

by Hawkaloogie on Oct 29, 2010 1:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Agreed

I can’t wait to see the Ro Tel Queso Division go up against the Barbasol Beard Buster Division!

by A True Americanzi on Oct 29, 2010 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

For America's sake, Iowa better be in the Barbasol division.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Oct 29, 2010 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

That should work.

This way OMHR and one of their most famous athletic alumnus can be in the Ro Tel Queso Division.

by Abbas_Cincinnatus on Oct 29, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

It's hard to imagine a hoopyball game that Brommer doesn't foul out of in 5 minutes.

"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me

by BStylin Hawkye on Oct 29, 2010 1:27 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I have a dream...

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Oct 29, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fran: 'We can't be satisfied with moral victories..."

I don’t know how many wins are in the schedule (10? Fingers crossed!), but I believe we are going to see a much different ~ more enjoyable ~ brand of hoopyball this season.

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

by Blackheartnopants on Oct 29, 2010 1:40 PM CDT reply actions  

It’ll be different if the PLAYERS act like they’re having fun, much less whatever fans show up. For that reason alone, it beats the death watch that was last year.

by txhawkeye on Oct 29, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

BHGPROLETARIAT, THE TASK IS YOURS

(1) Buy orange prison jumpsuit costume

(2) Write “Rucker 29” on the back

(3) Profit.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Oct 29, 2010 1:49 PM CDT reply actions  

What I don’t get is why Dantonio went out of his way to create this distraction. I think his head might explode by Saturday afternoon what with the joylessness he shows..

by txhawkeye on Oct 29, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

His head might explode?

My money would be on his heart exploding long before that would happen.

Too soon?

by Hank Thrasher on Oct 29, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, that’s why I didn’t go there. If something bad happens, you’re going to feel responsible Hank.

by txhawkeye on Oct 29, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

don't worry

I would’ve said the heart exploding if you hadn’t

and that's another Hawkeye first down... EHAWW!!

by HawkPocket on Oct 29, 2010 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

So right on so many levels

Why do we not run this play anymore? And while I’m safely half a bottle down by the time the Hawks take the field, I can only recall running an actual screen play twice this year. Yes, we have good receivers but with Stanzi not throwing ricksixes this year I think this should be used in place of the draws we keep running.

by Off Constantly on Oct 29, 2010 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I won't bad-mouth anyone who does this

But as someone who got extremely pissed at the ‘Nova and ’Cuse who’d do the same for Georgetown games because of Allen Iverson, I can’t really support this action. Not that getting the prison jumpsuit was that hard for the Syracuse fans, most of them just wore them straight from the jail on some sort of work-released program.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Oct 29, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was thinking a McNutt jersey with an orange-jumpsuit clad doll hanging off the shoulder would be nice for this weekend.

Too involved for me though. I’m probably just getting a predator mask to accessorize the Clayborn jersey.

by PackerHawk on Oct 29, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's a far greater costume use for that Predator mask

I give you Sexual Predator:

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Oct 29, 2010 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ask and ye shall receive, Vint

Look for the guy disgracing the blackout with a bright orange jumpsuit (hopefully in the front row of the student section) and you will find me. Pics will ensue once I take some

by A True Americanzi on Oct 29, 2010 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

What stood out to me on Fran's presser

is this guy is one confident dude.

Let’s face it, you know you have a coach when he thinks he can make Andrew Brommer a playa. My God, what might be do with Ertic May?

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Oct 29, 2010 1:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Be careful what you wish for

all the “swagger” talk is catching up.

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Oct 29, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately, I am the only one talking swagger

haven’t heard too many Hawkeyes try to convince anyone they are really good.

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Oct 29, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe the confidence is just what's so stunning.

After three years of Coach Droopy Dog and a decade-plus of KF in football (who is very good at many things, but displaying outward confidence is not one of them), it’s just refreshing to have a coach again that’s not short on confidence — or showing it. (Although, to be fair, I guess we’ve always had Brands that whole time, too, and he certainly doesn’t lack confidence.)

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Oct 29, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

www.google.com — playa spanish to english — beach

Hmmm…Brommer doesn’t exactly look like the kind of dude that hangs out at the beach. JR Angle was the guy at the beach who kept his shirt on even when he went in the water…but methinks Brommer avoids it altogether.

by HawKCP on Oct 29, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also, this name business with Marble is confusing.

First he’s “Roy Marble Jr.”
Then he’s “Devyn Marble.”
Now he’s “Roy Devyn Marble.”

I’m just gonna call him Marble 2.0.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Oct 29, 2010 2:02 PM CDT reply actions  

+1 for Community

And the fact that both the Dean and Gabe from the office were dressed as Lady Gaga. Fantastic.

by Argulor on Oct 29, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I quit watching The Office

But last night’s open was pretty incredible. I spent 30 minutes on YouTube reliving Office glory days.

by The Mexican't on Oct 29, 2010 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Marble 2.0

That should stick nicely.. on bhgp at least.

"If you're easily offended, we thank you for stopping by but ask that you turn your browser elsewhere." -- BHGP Disclaimer

by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Oct 29, 2010 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Marble The Younger?

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

by Blackheartnopants on Oct 29, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like that

Seems to give it more historical context

It never gets to be easy

by chitownhawkeye on Oct 29, 2010 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ooh, I like. +1

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Oct 29, 2010 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Marbles 2.0

Wasn’t that Pogs?

"You think you can take me? Go ahead on. It's your move." -- Thomas Jefferson Geronimo III

by IPeeBlackAndGold on Oct 29, 2010 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Stored right next to your virginity I presume

as the possession of one (pogs) always guaranteed the possession of the other.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Oct 29, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Of course.

Have you heard about my appearance at BlizzCon? Totally pwned those developer idiots.

by The Mexican't on Oct 29, 2010 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

A kidhood friend of mine

had the solid brass slammer that was like a quarter inch thick. Don’t know how many pogs it flipped over but any tabletops on which pogs were played were destroyed.

"You think you can take me? Go ahead on. It's your move." -- Thomas Jefferson Geronimo III

by IPeeBlackAndGold on Oct 29, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

You can call him Ray, or you can call him Jay, or you can call him Ray Jay…

"You think you can take me? Go ahead on. It's your move." -- Thomas Jefferson Geronimo III

by IPeeBlackAndGold on Oct 29, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dave nukes it.

http://www.maizenbrew.com/2010/10/29/1781844/youre-kidding-me-right-when-zero-tolerance-and-discipline-mean-nothing

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Oct 29, 2010 2:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Dantonio takes the whole "risk" taking

to a whole different level. This makes a fake FG in overtime look like kid’s play.

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Oct 29, 2010 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Mad Hearter!

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Oct 29, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I'm going to purgatory for that one. Dantonio has suspended me until I'm sent to hell, at which point I will be reinstated in full.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Oct 29, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Where’s your indulgences man? And, really, if that’s the worst you got this week I’m pretty sure you opened the door for a woman, or something, at least once, to offset.

by txhawkeye on Oct 29, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

DJK randomly dropping and doing pushups

If football doesn’t pan out, he has a future as a wrasslin’ villain.
/Scott Steiner’d
(I have a feeling he’d be a pretty good trash talker too, a la The Rock.)

"You think you can take me? Go ahead on. It's your move." -- Thomas Jefferson Geronimo III

by IPeeBlackAndGold on Oct 29, 2010 4:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Norm McDonald

is one of the greatest comedians of my generation (I’m 26)…and Dirty Work may be the most underappreciated comedy of my generation.

by HawKCP on Oct 29, 2010 4:21 PM CDT reply actions  

His appearances on Conan O'Brien are awesome.

Barely controlled chaos.

"You think you can take me? Go ahead on. It's your move." -- Thomas Jefferson Geronimo III

by IPeeBlackAndGold on Oct 29, 2010 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes to this

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

by Blackheartnopants on Oct 29, 2010 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or so the Germans would have you think ...

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

by Blackheartnopants on Oct 29, 2010 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Please let Norm be back

More importantly, please let his health be stable and for him to maintain his health. But having him press box has to be a huge lift.

It never gets to be easy

by chitownhawkeye on Oct 29, 2010 6:57 PM CDT reply actions  

Keep it classy, Dantonio

What a puke. I hope we beat his ass tomorrow and I hope McNutt and DJK burn Rucker all day.

by banks, quarterback draw on Oct 29, 2010 8:19 PM CDT reply actions  

Hawkeyes in trouble

At least our guys get in trouble for what I call “college kid shit” – PAULA, public intox, etc. (the OWI’s are just stupid, no matter what age you are, admittedly). They are still punished (often by missing a game), and to be honest, I don’t even remember any repeat offenders off the top of my head, so there’s not really anything to compare to there (although someone can certainly chime in if I’m wrong). And those that do pull shit more severe (Douglas, Satterfield, Everson), they don’t stick around long.

by Brock8144 on Oct 29, 2010 11:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Repeat Offender

James Ferentz. Unfortunately, the coach’s son seems to have had a knack for getting in trouble

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Oct 30, 2010 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm so sick of changing my opinion on Dantonio...

I’m sticking with he’s a doucher and I mean it.

by bornofclay on Oct 30, 2010 1:07 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

They're ALL douches

until proven otherwise.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Oct 30, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Rucker issue is not that he is allowed back

he should be allowed back on the team. Back 48 hours after being released from jail? No, that is the issue.

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Oct 30, 2010 7:36 AM CDT reply actions  

Yes, which was my point.

That said, you can argue that he should have been kicked off the team, too. True, the details of his offense may not have necessarily warranted it, but if you wanted to prove that your “zero tolerance” policy had teeth and that you really did want to enforce discipline and let this incident serve as a deterrent for future offenders — then kicking him off could make sense.

I recall something similar happening to Benny Sapp at Iowa in 2002. I don’t think his offenses, in and of themselves, necessarily warranted getting booted from the team, but he was in the wrong spot at the wrong time — Iowa had been suffering from a ton of disciplinary issues at the time and Ferentz seemed to feel the need to make a stand against them. Sapp did something dumb and paid the price for it, despite the fact that Iowa clearly could have used him in 2002, given the middling state of our cornerbacks back then.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Oct 30, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

As I've said elsewhere, "zero tolerance" is usually a dumb policy

Circumstances always matter, and a strict “zero tolerance” policy makes no allowance for them.

I was not at all happy with Winston being allowed back on the team after the first fight (where he left a hockey player in the hospital with a fractured skull); he missed half a season, and if there had been any evidence he’d learned his lesson I’d have been okay with him being reinstated the next year, but all signs pointed to “no” and sadly, they were proven right. This doesn’t strike me as the same severity of mistake; there’s a very big gap between moving your car four blocks after one drink too many, even on probation (monumentally stupid but not boot-worthy), and sucker-punching a guy who wasn’t even involved in the fight until that point.

I don’t mind him being allowed to travel with the team, but he shouldn’t play this week – and if Dantonio doesn’t plan to play him, he should have said so. (Frankly, I’m not sure having him play would even help, given that he was out for two and a half weeks of practice and two games.)

by SpartanDan on Oct 30, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

"Zero tolerance" is a dumb policy

But, again, this is one that Dantonio self-imposed. It’s not like the AD or university President announced it, Dantonio did. Then, the first time he had to deal with the ramifications of his self-announced policy, Dantonio backtracks from it immediately.

If Dantonio announced something along the lines of allowing Rucker to practice and travel with the team, but that he would not be allowed to play (for the rest of the season), that to me would have been a good blend of the “zero tolerance” while not completely throwing a player overboard. Again, this is only necessary because of Dantonio’s OWN policy.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Oct 30, 2010 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

By the details of the case, dismissal may not be warranted.

But no one forced Dantonio to loudly proclaim a “zero tolerance” policy for repeat offenders, either.

And, again, my other point is not that the punishment necessarily fits the crime (in this case, it probably wouldn’t), but that sometimes you have to make examples out of certain situations if you want to prove that discipline actually means something.

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by RossWB on Oct 30, 2010 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

One could also say

that James Cleveland and, to a lesser extent, Arvell Nelson suffered a similar fate as Sapp. While their offense was serious, in other seasons I think they would have suffered a long suspension, but not expulsion, from the team. Their crime, however, came after the end of 2007’s season of hell, and it always seemed to me that they were being made examples of (and certainly, violation of drug laws is a very serious offense).

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Oct 30, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Was it Nelson that illegally had prescription drugs and Cleveland had weed? Or vice versa?

I forget. Either way, yes, they may have had a chance to stay on the team (after serving lengthy suspensions and getting shoved down the depth chart, most likely) if it hadn’t been at the nadir of player discipline under KF.

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by RossWB on Oct 30, 2010 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

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