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The Takeaway: Michigan

Sure, Iowa just beat Michigan, 38-28. But what was so important about beating Michigan? What does it all mean, Basil? The Takeaway has the answer. Oh, and this one gets long. Sorry.

This installment of The Takeaway is about, uh, the takeaways.  Entering the game, it seemed clear that if one team controlled the turnover margin, they'd probably win; casting turnovers aside, both offenses looked capable of putting up similar numbers on the other. Remember, this game had about a four-point spread. And lo and behold, Iowa forced four turnovers while committing none, and it's awfully hard to argue that those turnovers weren't a major factor in Iowa's wins. Here they are, with game status (plus another play that technically wasn't a turnover but swung the game rather significantly):

  • 15:00, 2nd quarter, 1st and 15, Michigan 45: Denard Robinson throws a truly awful interception directly at Tyler Sash, who returns the ball into Michigan territory. Four plays later, Ricky Stanzi finds Derrell Johnson-Koulianos for a touchdown, and Iowa leads 14-7.
  • 8:50, 2nd quarter, 4th and 16, Iowa 21: Michigan has a 12-play, 59-yard drive wiped out when Seth Broekhuizen's field goal attempt is blocked by Adrian Clayborn and/or Broderick Binns. Tyler Sash, seeing that nobody on the Michigan field goal team is particularly interested in the live ball since they're not allowed to advance it, picks the ball up and returns it. Had he not immediately run into Jeremiha Hunter, I'm convinced Sash would have sprung the return even farther. At any rate, Sash returns the ball into Michigan territory, and nine plays later, Adam Robinson puts Iowa up 21-7 with four minutes and change left in the half.
  • 6:52, 3rd quarter, 1st at 10, Iowa 14: Vincent Smith fumbles as he's hit by Karl Klug at the line, and Iowa recovers, stopping a 12-play, 71-yard drive that included two fourth-down conversions. Iowa goes three-and-out, but after the punt, Michigan is set back 50 yards, and things are about to get worse for MIchigan.
  • 4:30, 3rd quarter, 3rd and 5, Michigan 40: Tate Forcier, under pressure from Klug, throws into triple coverage for no discernable reason. Micah Hyde returns the ball into Michigan territory, but a penalty on the return puts the ball at Iowa's 37. No matter, as the Hawkeyes score on an Adam Robinson rush five plays later, and iowa leads 28-7.
  • 1:54, 4th quarter, 3rd and 19, Michigan 28: Forcier pulls a Darryl Clark and floats a throw into the middle of Iowa's zone, and Troy Johnson seals the game with the pick. Game over.

Meanwhile, Iowa afforded Michigan none of those mistakes. Sure, the Wolverines got a pretty easy touchdown when Hyde and Brett Greenwood biffed the coverage on an outside fly route by Junior Hemingway (and best believe Ferentz will let them have it in film coverage for that), but that's just an offense beating a defense, not a mistake on the level of giving up possession or anything. The bottom line: maybe Iowa wins if Michigan doesn't turn the ball over. Or maybe not. It's awfully nice to see that we didn't have to find that out on Saturday.

Adam Robinson is a consummate Hawkeye. One of the hallmarks of Iowa's truly successful teams is the leadership of a player -- often unheralded -- stepping up when needed most. In 2002, Iowa was led by Bob Sanders, Dallas Clark, Robert Gallery, and Brad Banks. The first three received a grand total of one scholarship offer from I-A schools not named Iowa, and the last was a spot-player the year prior who didn't have so much as honorable mention All-Big Ten hype coming into 2002. Iowa was a pretty solid eighth in Big Ten prognostications that year for that reason. In 2004, first-year starter Drew Tate was pressed into carrying the team after his entire running game blew its knee out. In 2008, Iowa's tumult at quarterback during the first half of the season forced the offense to depend on Shonn Greene, who hadn't even spent the last season training with a football program. In every single one of those cases, those players worked their asses off and stepped up to perform their position at levels that made the difference between winning and losing (often by the thinnest of margins).

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And that brings us to Adam Robinson. The DM Lincoln alum didn't look like more than a marginal prospect at the outset of his career, earning the dreaded "two-star' designation from scouting services, and he initially only earned a greyshirt offer. A-Rob eventually got a full-fledged offer, but found himself buried on the depth charts and bouncing between offense and defense looking for a place to contribute.

Often, players like this transfer to lower programs, and nobody would have thought ill of Robinson if he'd had taken UNI up on their offer to him after his redshirt season; the depth chart in front of him at tailback for 2009 was impressive, and he sure wasn't going to see much time at safety.

But guys started to get hurt, and all of a sudden, Robinson was pressed into duty at tailback next to Paki O'Meara and heavily-hyped true freshman Brandon Wegher. Robinson defied expectations and plainly outperformed Wegher over the course of the year last year (though, it must be said, Wegher was essential in his own right, and he is sorely missed on the 2010 team). On paper, A-Rob's not supposed to be good. His straight-line speed isn't all that much better than, say, John Clay, and he'll never pull an open-field cut like Fred Russell or Sedrick Shaw could.

But damn it all if Robinson doesn't find a way to make it work, game in and game out, just like every Hawkeye hero before him did.

A-Rob's latest oeuvre might be the best of his career: 31 carries, 143 yards, 2 TDs, four receptions, and 61 more yards through the air. That's 35 touches and 204 yards--58% of Iowa's plays and 53% of Iowa's yardage from scrimmage on Saturday. Robinson broke tackles left and right, confounded over-aggressive pursuers, and didn't get himself killed--his ability to squirm and fall forward on tackles instead of getting killed and blown back is completely undervalued. He's the last option before putting the ball in an under-practiced true freshman's hands, yet Ferentz let him have the ball 35 times on Saturday, and Robinson's in good enough shape to do it again this Saturday too.

Iowa's got Wisconsin and Michigan State coming to town the next two weeks, and those two games will go a long way in determining the course of Iowa's season. And while quarterback is the most important position in the game, something tells me that Iowa will fare as well as A-Rob goes--and that bodes well for the Hawkeyes.

DJK FTW. It's hard to imagine a more disparate combination in coexistence than DJK and Ferentz; perhaps there's Felix Unger and Oscar Madison, but someone had to make up that combo; Derrell and Kirk is real and happening every day. Ferentz, the low-key all-star, has long waved the battle flag for measured interaction with the public and press. It's hard to blame him, of course, considering what moves news these days even as his players are engaging in good works whenever they've got the opportunity.

But then a player like DJK comes along, who has never been arrested or suspended, has never dogged it in practice or on the field, and is productive as hell, and yet he drives Ferentz crazy strictly with his mouth. Ferentz banned DJK and the rest of the team from Twitter coming into this season, and DJK's on a gag order with the press until the season's over, and perhaps that's unfair to you and me. And perhaps to DJK too. 

 

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Yes, it would be nice to have this do the speaking, but...

 

 

 

His foil is, in turn, leading the Hawkeyes in receiving for the fourth straight year for the first time in Hawkeye history. Moreover, DJK just broke Tim Dwight's Iowa record for receiving yards, and Kevin Kasper's reception record should fall over the next couple of weeks. In short, DJK is poised to be Iowa's best receiver ever.

And you know what? He has absolutely earned it. We can lament the fact that Ferentz won't let him talk to reporters during the season, but if that's what's best for everybody, then so be it. It's a small price to pay to see a wideout who's so adept at moving the chains between the 20s and who, now, is adding a deadly red zone game to his repertoire. DJK is remarkably good, probably as good as we've ever had at wideout (fans can understand my reticence to ever unequivocally declare anybody "better" than Tim Dwight), and we're lucky to have him as a Hawkeye for seven more games. That's not to endorse Ferentz's tactics wholesale--we don't--but DJK's career really is something at this point.

Michigan has two good quarterbacks, and they might need to think about acknowledging that. One of the best things Tate Forcier could have done for his career was not transfer after the very first game of the season. Recall that Devin Gardner, not Forcier, saw snaps the first time Denard got hurt this season, and Forcier told the press "I'm gone." shortly thereafter. Damage control was done, Forcier stuck around, and Michigan's in very good shape for it.

The biggest aspect of Forcier's performance against Iowa last week is that it didn't start well; sure, he led them on a sustained drive into Iowa's red zone as soon as he came in, but that and the next drive ended in turnovers, and instead of turtling for the rest of the game, Forcier put in work. In fact, looking at the two quarterbacks' performances, the case can be made that if Robinson hadn't aggravated his shoulder injurt, Michigan should have put in Forcier anyway, as his performance was pretty much the sole reason MIchigan got back in the game.

But back to Robinson: doesn't his latest injury just prove how unsustainable his usage has been this season? The guy leads the nation in rushing and throws for 200 a game. He's not built for his. 99% of college players aren't, which is why his level of production is so unprecedented: coaches usually know better than to do this!

Of course, Michigan doesn't really have the option of  leaning on a tailback instead; their backfield is an unqualified mess. But Denard Robinson is not nearly as good a passer as Forcier at this point, and it's not much of a stretch to assume that, based on each QB's performance against Iowa, Forcier was a better-equipped quarterback to lead Michigan's comeback.

So why not acknowledge that Denard Robinson's pace is unsustainable for a quarterback, and use him in conjunction with Forcier? Yes, the temptation for coaches is to pick a quarterback and ride him, for consistency's sake, but it's clear that Forcier and Robinson are complementary talents under center for Michigan, and giving one QB at least a quarter of work is better than riding one until he's too dinged up to play, then throwing in the other one essentially cold.

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Any word on Daniel's injury?

Looked like he was holding his arm. That could be … very bad.

by indyhawk on Oct 18, 2010 10:09 AM CDT reply actions  

Nothing official

but heard it wasn’t too serious. Took a helmet to the funny bone, which I guess is painful.

by JasHawk on Oct 18, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I never understood the name funny bone.

Always thought it should be that “Ahhhh motherfucker that hurt!” bone.

by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Oct 18, 2010 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

the bone is the humer(o)us

which is similar to word humorous.

which means funny.

fightin for president stanzi's fightin americanzis since his first 13 yard charge - syracuse '07

by metcalfrhymeswithblodbath on Oct 19, 2010 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll never forget this one time my dad was throwing me BP in the cages

in high school and I just belted one up the middle. It ticked ever so slightly off the L screen and hit him square in the elbow. He couldn’t use his right arm for several hours, and he had a nasty bruise the next day. Of course, a baseball moves somewhat faster, but it has a lot less mass behind it, too.

"Yeah, and that’s bullshit, cause Boise plays Kirkwood every other weekend".
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by hkobb7 on Oct 18, 2010 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thought you were going with "Denard as RB/WR" on that last section

Glad you didn’t. I’ve never like that train of thought. Denard is clearly an incredibly talented QB, why limit him at another position where he sees a ton less touches per game? Interesting thought there on how to use both he and Sunshine, but I guess it also brings up the question of where to use the highly-touted Gardner. Good thing they burned his redshirt so frivolously.

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by therealCatnuts on Oct 18, 2010 10:15 AM CDT reply actions  

agreed

Michigan is hard enough to prepare for with Denard, i can’t imagine what the defensive focus would be for a week of practice getting ready for both quarterbacks. Then again, can the offense work with much consistency if they are splitting possessions and maybe a better question.. would RichRod ever do this.. isn’t it pretty much admitting that his brand of football (flag style of course) doesn’t really work.

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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Oct 18, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

They should use Denard like Florida used Percy Harvin

When Forcier is at QB. Have him play slot/RB/other guy. He’s an amazing talent and should be on the field as much as possible. But sometimes the game plan calls for a more traditional passing and running attack.

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by rockyh on Oct 18, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

It can definitely mess with your rhythm

When we were trading off Cousins and Nichol early last season, Cousins always started the game great and then looked like crap for a series or two after Nichol had been out there.

by SpartanDan on Oct 18, 2010 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

When you put it like this all I can think is...
31 carries, 143 yards, 2 TDs, four receptions, and 61 more yards through the air. That’s 35 touches and 204 yards—58% of Iowa’s plays and 53% of Iowa’s yardage from scrimmage on Saturday

….A-Rob for Heisman!

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by Kluginator on Oct 18, 2010 10:20 AM CDT reply actions  

If we win the next 2 games and are ranked somewhere in Top 5 or Top 10

By transitive Heisman-MNC contender rules, we’re required to have one candidate. Stnazi, ARob, or Clayborn probably

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by therealCatnuts on Oct 18, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Stanzi, not Stnazi

Wow, that is an incredibly bad faux pas for the truest of Patriots

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by therealCatnuts on Oct 18, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

I am pretty sure that St Nazi is a real saint . Kind of like St. Nick but opposite.

"Have you ever had the Hot Pocket Hot Pocket? It’s Hot Pocket inside a Hot Pocket. Tastes just like a Hot Pocket."

by Kluginator on Oct 18, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Catholics and Nazis - maybe more alike than we think?

1) Best iconography in their class
2) Best uniforms
3) Obsessed with architecture
4) Supreme, infallible leader
5) A strong geographical footprint similarity – even South America!

I guess I’ll do the obligatory “it’s OK because I’m one of them”: full-blooded German ancestry for me and confirmed Catholic. Now I’ll duck and cover and not feel bad if this post gets removed for obvious reasons

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by therealCatnuts on Oct 18, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ahem.

Ceci n'est pas un blogue.

by Adam Jacobi on Oct 18, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mr. Jacobi

just slapped the dunce cap on you.

Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.

by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Oct 18, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Danke, Signor Jacobi

Banhammer deserved but imperiously (rightfully?) withheld.

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by therealCatnuts on Oct 18, 2010 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Rules of The Pants are quite clear and oft stated by the mods.

Although I think this was an honest mistake. I think.

Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more cowbell!!

by The Bird Cult on Oct 18, 2010 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Life's less fun if you always color inside the lines

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by therealCatnuts on Oct 19, 2010 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wait! Up there in the sky!

Is it a bird? Is it a plane?

No….it’s the BANHAMMER.

by MotorHawk on Oct 18, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

For a second there

I thought you were going to go with a Flying Spaghetti Monster reference. But the banhammer makes more sense

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Oct 18, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

We all have been touched

by his noodley appendages

It never gets to be easy

by chitownhawkeye on Oct 19, 2010 1:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Only if we get a new OC who decides to actually THROW TO HIM!

DJK was targeted 6 times and caught four. Three of those four receptions were for TDs. That tells me that…oh I don’t know…perhaps he should have BEEN FED THE BALL MORE!!

by the_iowa_hawkeye on Oct 18, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't want to reopen

the KOK playcalling can of worms, but it does seem as though we were a bit unwilling to really go after the Michigan secondary, even when they were begging us to by loading up the box with 8 guys throughout the game.

BTW, gotta give credit to the Oline in this game, pretty sold in the run game (though the stretch run to the left STILL DOES NOT WORK but we’’ll run it half a dozen times just to re-confirm this fact) and very good in pass protection. Stanzi had all day back there to to throw except in a few occasions

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Oct 18, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

IIRC, those few occassions, Mich. was blitzing 2 or 3 guys.

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by BStylin Hawkye on Oct 18, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

even then

Stanzi still had some time, it wasn’t like they were in the backfield right at the snap

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Oct 18, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I only remember a CB getting into the backfield off the snap

and he was picked up by ARob as Stanzi rolled away from him.

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by BStylin Hawkye on Oct 18, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

One thing that Stanzi has done really well this season...

…is checking down. IIRC, all four of the passes to ARob and the pass to the Cambus were safety valve passes. Stanzi has been very patient, throwing good passes when they’re available but he’s also willing to throw to the third or fourth option when there’s good coverage down field. Of course, he’s typically getting pretty good protection as well.

by Abbas_Cincinnatus on Oct 18, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

In fact, if there is one complaint I’ve had with Stanzi this season, it’s that, to me, he’s seemed a little too quick to check down to the safety valve. But, at the end of the day, it’s hard to argue with the results.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Oct 18, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Hard to argue with the 3rd highest passer efficiency in the country

"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable

by ClaybornSmash on Oct 18, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Often, his safety valve makes shit happen.

There’s a reason Reisner and Robinson keep getting thrown to. The one time it worked poorly was the third and ten where Stanzi threw to a well-covered Reisner and got five with someone (I don’t know who, thanks to ESPN’s replay gurus) open downfield.

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by hkobb7 on Oct 18, 2010 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was 3rd and 15.

Stanzi had hit Reisner on the exact same play before and Alan had taken it for about 15 yards but it got called back because of an illegal formation. I believe DJK was open down field after he and McNutt had ran crossing patterns.

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by BStylin Hawkye on Oct 19, 2010 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

38 points on the road? Unacceptable!

As many drives that ended in points as punts? Unacceptable!
An offense averaging 34.3 points per game? Unacceptable!

Hawkeye fan, born and bred. And when I die, a Hawkeye dead.

by bpriebe on Oct 18, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Obviously it's not going to happen, but if Stanzi were to continue on his current pace, he could end up with...

68% completion percentage
Almost 3,000 yards passing
26 TD, 4 INTS
And a quarterback rating of 180.5

That’s pretty damn good.

by SallyMason on Oct 18, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

And if he tanks

I will blame this post and start a movement to send you back to OMHR.

by PackerHawk on Oct 18, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

What was Banks' efficiency

the year he was runner up.

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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Oct 18, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

NCAA Football record book sez:

170/294 (57.8% comp), 26 TDs, 5 INTs, 2573 yds passing and 157.12 QB rating. Also had 423 yds and 5 TDs rushing.

As you mentioned, Dr. Mason, the hard part for Stanzi is the “current pace” part, considering that we still have three top ten teams ahead of us. But if it happens then he has to suddenly explode into the Heismanzi race.

by Abbas_Cincinnatus on Oct 18, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I personally would LOVE to see someone else get some carries.

Need to take some of the punishment he’s receiving and narrow it down a little bit. With 6 games and the meatiest part of the schedule left to play, I would like to see him healthy and strong at the end of the season. He’s TOUGH but all of the hits add up and will eventually catch up to him I’m afraid.

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by fliphawk4 on Oct 18, 2010 10:32 AM CDT reply actions  

I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing some Coker in the game.

So that ARob can still have some gas in his tank late in the 4th quarter. His big 3rd down on that last field goal drive was a thing of beauty, but a pretty low percentage playcall for getting that 1st down.

by HawkeyeRecon on Oct 18, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

totally agree!

I listened to BHGpodcast on my way home from chicago and recall Vint et al talking about John Clay and PJ Hill “dayning” due to too much punishment too early in their careers. I realize we only have the AROB leg to stand on at this point, but there has to be some drives even in these big games where someone else can take a carry or 5.

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by AcrimoniousAngerererer on Oct 18, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's why I disagree a bit with our only score enough points to win philosophy

If we run up the score and give ourselves a cushion we can get Robinson (and Stanzi) out of the game and give them a rest…and some more reps for the backups. Does anyone disagree with me that we could have easily tacked on 1-2 more touchdowns with a sustained passing attack?

by Iowa Refugee on Oct 18, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sigh...

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by bpriebe on Oct 18, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's saying it because he doesn't want ARob to die.

No matter how sick you are of the KOK hate, it’s a valid point. Whether I complained about any of the run calls (and I didn’t, except for that damned stretch left that’s worked maybe once this season), I still held my breath every time Robinson got hit.

"Yeah, and that’s bullshit, cause Boise plays Kirkwood every other weekend".
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by hkobb7 on Oct 18, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was sighing at the "only score enough points to win philosophy" piece.

As if the coaches make a conscious decision to reach a number they feel will win the game and then they close up shop and don’t try to score more points. It is so ludicrous that I cannot stop myself from posting in response.

The answer is always a sustained passing attack. Unless it doesn’t work. Then he’s an idiot for not running more.

Disclaimer: Despite the appearance, I don’t agree with every call – I didn’t like the run on 3rd and 6 with a 35-21 lead.

I need to focus on something else. I’m staying on this side of the fence just like those on the other side.

Also, I, too, hold my breath every time Robinson gets hit. And walks to the huddle, gets a cup of water, and goes anywhere near the death machines they call yard markers.

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by bpriebe on Oct 18, 2010 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

To be honest

even putting on his uniform puts him squarely in the crosshairs of a certain AIRBHG. Basically, he’s never safe.

by Brock8144 on Oct 18, 2010 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Never safe, not even when out of uniform

Because Greene’s year of furniture delvery and the enigma of Wegher ’10 clearly had nothing to do with wearing a uniform when AIRBHG chose to strike.

by PackerHawk on Oct 18, 2010 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Probably

but I also think Ferentz subscribes to the belief that when you pass the ball, three things can happen and two of them are bad.

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by Kluginator on Oct 18, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Three things can happen when you hand off the ball to Robinson, and two of them are bad

he can advance the ball 4-6 yards(likely)
he can fumble (unlikely)
he can blow out his knee(may it never be so)

by Iowa Refugee on Oct 18, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

GO TO YOUR ROOM REFUGEE!

We ain't making no goddamn cornflakes here."
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by Zulu on Oct 18, 2010 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Stanzi's fourth in the nation in passing efficiency.

I don’t really think Ferentz is reticent to let him throw the ball.

Ceci n'est pas un blogue.

by Adam Jacobi on Oct 18, 2010 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I believe we are throwing the ball exactly as much as we need to.

The complaints we are hearing are the complaints of fans being spoiled by winning :) and that’s not necessarily a bad thing… last year we were freaking out about close wins… now we are not winning games by enough, apparently…

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by The Bird Cult on Oct 18, 2010 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

now we are not winning games by enough, apparently…

Exactly. Maybe because last week was our closest win and the first time somebody other than AZ figured out how to score in the double digits against us. The MOV this year is huge considering the coaches are only scoring enough points to win, not enough to set NCAA ’11 high score records.

by PackerHawk on Oct 18, 2010 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's no way A.D. can keep this up.

Ferentz, of all coaches, should know that.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Oct 18, 2010 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

A.D.?

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by RossWB on Oct 18, 2010 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

AKA A.P.

er… A.R. I’m assuming that’s what he meant….

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by therealCatnuts on Oct 18, 2010 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it's a reference to Saturday's broadcast.

IIRC, Ed Cunningham said that the Iowa players call Robinson “A.D”. I had never heard that and, in fact, I still haven’t other than from Cunningham. In the post game interviews on BTN and ESPN I heard Stanzi call him ARob and that appears to be what everyone here calls him as well. I figured maybe it was a reference to Adrian Peterson, but I really hope not.

On a related note, Ron Franklin (?) said that when they called the Iowa/ISU game that DJK ran up to him at the pregame media session and said, “Hi, I’m DJ [sic]”.

I don’t think that’s exactly what he said. I think it was “Hi, I’m DJK” and then Ferentz promptly put a bag over his head and led him away.

by Abbas_Cincinnatus on Oct 19, 2010 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah I heard that too

Hadn’t heard it prior or since, though…

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by Hayden Fry's Moustache Ride on Oct 19, 2010 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

DJK is a truly remarkable receiver

These records that he is breaking are impressive by themselves, but when you look at what was happening with the rest of the offense around the beginning of his career it is that much more impressive. He was thrown to by JC6 for a little over a season and during the 2008 season we were pretty much just running the ball over everybody, tough to get many receptions during that season.

I am really impressed with how much he has stepped up in the TD department. This game against Michigan tied the most TDs he had scored in any season, and his 7 TDs this season matches his career total entering the season.

by A True Americanzi on Oct 18, 2010 10:44 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm happy for DJK and I think he's been an absolutely excellent receiver at Iowa.

But I have a hard time using stats to quantify his greatness — for the moment, at least. The “Iowa’s leading receiver” tag is a nice feather in his cap, but it’s only a possibility because in 2007 he was simply one of the last men healthy and reasonably able to catch passes after Douglas, Moeaki, Brodell and Bowman were forced to miss so much time (and Stross was in and out of the line-up because of injuries as well, if memory serves). Someone had to catch passes then. In 2008, injuries slowed Moeaki and Brodell at times and his primariy competitor from 2007 at WR (James Cleveland) was kicked off the team — so, once again, he was often one of the few decent options out there.

That said, he’s obviously improved every season and he’s having an utterly lights out senior year. If he maintains this current pace (or even 75% of it), the result will be perhaps the greatest season an Iowa receiver has ever had. If he adds that on top of everything else he’s already done, then I think I’d have no problem declaring him Iowa’s greatest receiver.

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by RossWB on Oct 18, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

DJK's resiliance should also be noted

As someone who will go down as one of the more interesting/colorful Iowa stars, he really has gone about setting these records very quietly.

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by Kluginator on Oct 18, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Which makes it even more impressive

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by ClaybornSmash on Oct 18, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I should have been more clear

Iowa has had a number of guys who were just amazing to watch on the field and benefited from Fry’s offenses that were much more pass oriented. I still think that IMO, Ronnie Harmon would be the record holding Iowa receiver if he hadn’t moved to RB and when he was at WR, his athleticism and catching ability was just awe inspiring. Tim Dwight was an electric receiver whose straightline speed struck fear in the hearts of our foes. DJK is special but very few of his individual game performances stand out in my mind. Even in Saturday’s game, when he brokes the career yardage record and scored 3 TD’s, McNutt had more yards and A-Rob may have even stood out more for his 26 yard catch in the fourth that put us in FG range to seal the game. By quiet, I meant that DJK has gone about rewriting the records on the field in a very workman like fashion with many, many good games but relatively few stand-out games.

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by Kluginator on Oct 18, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Slow and steady is good as well

Pros need those guys too to balance out the all-or-nothing Jennings or Moss types. Deion Branch even won a Super Bowl MVP* doing that. I agree that DJK has not had the breathtaking moments of a Timmy D, Mo Brown, Harmon, or even his cast-mate McNutt. Probably makes him the latest in the line of Iowa WRs to be drafted later than we think they should – 5th round or later maybe.

*by default, but hey. Still nice

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by therealCatnuts on Oct 18, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

DJK reminds me somewhat of Pryor

they both run with such smooth long strides that it doesn’t look like they are running fast until you see them beat the defender to the corner or just flat outrun people to the end zone.

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by Kluginator on Oct 18, 2010 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not sure on his NFL prospects, but his compliance helps

Does he run off at the mouth and irritate his coach when left to his own devices?: Yes
Does he listen to his coach and obey the “don’t be a distraction” mandates?: Yes

by Iowa Refugee on Oct 18, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Which is really amazing

Given that, in all the public comments I’ve seen/read from DJK, he has been a great interview and very complimentary of all those around him. He gives a thoughtful answer to the actual question asked and is quick to give credit to thos around him for their part in whatever he’s being asked about. In fact, in his entire career, the only thing DJK has said that I think was dangerous was early in the 2008 season when he was praising Stanzi and, implicitly, said that Stanzi was a better QB for the team. Nothing derogatory or negative was said about JC6, but the implication was there though that requires reading a lot of intent into what was actually said.

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by HoyaGoon on Oct 18, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think I remember earlier this year

He had a Twitter or FB post that criticized the Iowa City Police Department. I’m sure KF liked that.

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by hkobb7 on Oct 18, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep, proof:

It was on Sean Keeler’s Twitter.

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by hkobb7 on Oct 18, 2010 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Early 2008...

…this was during or right after DJK and Stanzi lived together.

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Oct 19, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe Kirk has wanted to keep him under other teams' radars.

When a flashy wide receiver goes to the media and says something that gets him in the papers, the other team keys on that guy during the game. If KF lets DJK get on every team’s radar, is he still “DJK, when you absolutely positively need a first down”? Can he still turn in the quiet workman’s performance that Kluginator is talking about?

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Oct 19, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

What do you mean?

Do you think he’d be saying how great he is if he weren’t gagged?

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Oct 18, 2010 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't rmemeber every team and player's injuries.

Are you sure Dwight or Kasper never benefited from guys being hurt?

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Oct 18, 2010 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, but I wouldn't necessarily use their numbers to say they were the BEST EVER, either.

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by RossWB on Oct 18, 2010 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Timmy D also had Punt Returns

That still hold records and are still legendarily fucking awesome. DJK is already better than Kasper, but Dwight? Nah, he’s the greatest Iowa WR of all time, regardless of when DJK sets the records.

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by therealCatnuts on Oct 18, 2010 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I always put BIG caveats on Kasper and Betts...

…they were really good players on some hopeful (but ultimately not-that-good) teams.

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Oct 19, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Therein lies the problem

Dwight had returns, and was more of a mid-depth receiver. DJK is primarily short to mid-depth. Go back several years and you have guys like Robert Smith and Quinn Early, who won’t have as many yards because they were home run guys, but were great in ways that DJK (don’t slow down on the deep route) is not. That, and we went more for the home run in Hayden’s era. And nobody was a more reliable posession receiver than Billy Happell (the son, not the father, I’m not THAT old), though DJK may be there with him.

DJK is his own blend of clutch, athletic skill, and some great catches. He’s got the record, and will go into history as one of the best and most interesting guys ever to wear an Iowa uniform. Best Ever isn’t necessary to celebrate what he has accomplished; I think that’s a completely different discussion.

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by Mr. Grizz on Oct 18, 2010 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think being in the discussion

is very noteworthy. That’s an elite class of human beings we’re discussing, big ups for DJK.

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by therealCatnuts on Oct 18, 2010 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't forget Dave Moritz either

If we are going to talk about possession guys. He caught a ton of balls in the 80s despite being two to three steps slow but he knew how to get separation, and he also caught the pass that did tOSU on one of their visits to Kinnick. I think I remember reading him being asked what his 40 speed was and he kind of laughed it off. Dave was NOT fast but he caught the damn ball and helped move the chains.

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by The Bird Cult on Oct 18, 2010 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Was really impressed with Stanzi

Wasn’t so impressed when McNutt almost caused another pick six on that quick slant. Other than that, Stanzi was the Manzi.

Oh, and Troy Johnson had a hell of a game too.

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by mikjones24 on Oct 18, 2010 10:51 AM CDT reply actions  

Oh, and Troy Johnson had a hell of a game too.

Which is good as he’ll be tacking a freight train this weekend if Tarp isn’t back.

by PackerHawk on Oct 18, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

the key to tackling a friegt train

is to stop it before it gets up any steam. The DL will be very important this Saturday.

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by Kluginator on Oct 18, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes

I can’t help but think that the weight gained bu Gulk and Ballard in the offseason was done with at least some consideration of this weekend’s game.

by PackerHawk on Oct 18, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

and we can turn them loose for once!

enough of having to contain these mobile QBs, I want to see Clayborn and the boys running up and down the line and in the backfield murderizing people.

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by AcrimoniousAngerererer on Oct 18, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think he's better at that

than he is at going after Denard. I like Johnson, but his play on Saturday illustrated why he’s not a regular stater, a step slow and doesn’t have Tarp’s athleticism. Against Denard this was almost bad, but against a straight-ahead runner like Clay, I think Johnson should be better and may even have a bit of edge over Tarp as Tarp, to me at least, has seemed a bit prone to being overpowered by some players (i.e. giving up too much size)

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by HoyaGoon on Oct 18, 2010 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Troy Johnson is another one of those "consummate Hawkeye" types that Jacobi referenced in talking about A-Rob.

There are guys that emerge out of nowhere and play a big role (like Tate, A-Rob, Greene, etc.) and obviously having guys like that is massively important — but there are also guys that emerge of out of nowhere and play a smaller role (like Johnson, Ramon Ochoa, Brandon Myers, etc.) and those guys are also pretty important. It’s always a little amazing to me when a guy like that, a fifth-year senior who’s seen relatively scant playing time earlier in his career, is (a) still around (no one would have faulted them for transferring out earlier) and (b) more than capable of filling in and playing well. Those are always fun stories to see.

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by RossWB on Oct 18, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

He didn't miss a step out there

That’s what I was impressed with. I didn’t expect a perfect game from him but he damn near played one. 13 tackles, a pass breakup and an INT? I think we’ll be fine while Tarp is gone.

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by mikjones24 on Oct 18, 2010 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not to mention

that true freshman, James Morris, has shown himself to be a capable replacement also. LB seems to be a true “next man in” type position at Iowa. Kudos to coach Wilson.

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by Kluginator on Oct 18, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's a great point.

I’m interested in people talking about some of their favorite Troy Johnson-type players. Kids that finally got their shot in their senior years and grabbed hold with both hands. For me, one of my all-time favorites is Scott Boleyn, who filled in for Sanders when he was injured in 2003.

by Abbas_Cincinnatus on Oct 18, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't understand why McNutt gets called out for his mistake

but Johnson’s blown coverage is completely ignored and he’s specifically credited with a “hell of a game.”

That’s not to say that Johnson didn’t play tremendously, I just don’t see why McNutt’s one dropped ball is worth calling out when it resulted in nothing more than an incompletion.

by The Mexican't on Oct 18, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

agreed - all of the guys made Ricky look good at times on Saturday

catching balls thrown low or behind them.

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by Kluginator on Oct 18, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because Johnson isnt a starter...

So his blown coverage gets a pass. McNutt on the other hand is a starter, and has more than a “few” dropped balls in important games.

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by mikjones24 on Oct 18, 2010 1:20 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

This

McNutt has dropped a number of balls on slant routes, 1 picked and returned for a TD, a couple more almost picked and another couple on 3rd down forcing punts

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by ClaybornSmash on Oct 18, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I seem to recall two against Ball State and/or Iowa State

One that was dropped on third down and one that was tipped and bounced off a DB’s chest (I’m almost certain the latter was against Ball State).

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by hkobb7 on Oct 18, 2010 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree in re Johnson

BUt one thing I’ve noticed about McNutt this season, and that I haven’t mentioned to now, is that his hands look a lot shakier this season compared to last year. I remember last summer hearing stories about how impressed Campbell and the other coaches were with McNutt’s hands (garbage pails) and how he just seemed to catch everything thrown his way. And then he spent most of the season proving that. This year, however, he seems to have a lot more drops, or at least the drops he’s had have been much more glaring as they are inopportune and right off his hands.

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by HoyaGoon on Oct 18, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I get what you are saying

but lets not forget some of the catches as well. There was a pass in the PSU game where he deftly caught the ball right before the ball hit the turf.

Remember this is only his 2nd year as a receiver. Lets not jump on him just yet. He has and will continue to make some great catches.

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by SpoWAHawk on Oct 19, 2010 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not to mention one of the receiving highlights of the AZ game...

…when he jumped four feet in the air, whipped out his McNutter, fucked the DB in the earhole of his helmet, caught the ball and gave the DB a McNutt shaped tatoo on the way to the reception. He just hung there to make the catch (if they’d been in Anaheim I would have guessed it was two angels holding him up… but then we would have won the game).

I was talking with family during the game about some of the drops this year. Stanzi did work out during the off season, yes? Remember what happened when we put the rocket-armed freshman in the game last year? Faster passes aren’t as easily cradled. Terry Strauss could tell you that.

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Oct 19, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

its called brett favre syndrome

and stanzi looks bigger, definitely comfortably capable of breaking fingers

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by metcalfrhymeswithblodbath on Oct 19, 2010 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Several thoughts that no one should care about ....

a) I think RichRod’s too stubborn to play Sunshine over D Robinson. This is his offense, and he’s going to run it the way he wants, which leads to;
b) Sunshine will transfer after the season. He’s not going to sit for 2 years waiting for injuries.
c) The jump ball into the Iowa double team at the 2 made me insane. I understand it and I’m not complaining, but after dropping balls left and right v. MSU those guys caught well with the pressure off. The 3 step drop and heave-ho was making me very nervous.
d) Iowa won, at Michigan, and scored 38. I’m not all that concerned about the yards given up – that’s what the Michigan offense do (I actually speak English well. I live in Dallas, and that’s the way the Rangers manager talks – the local radio guys have taken to calling him the old school brother, which is hilarious here).
e) IMO, Richard is flying way under the radar with the insane year he’s having. I realize he’s gone pretty conservative so as to not throw the brain fart int, but his completion %age is ridiculous.
f) Iowa could not possibly be playing Wisconsin at a better time. If you want to script it, this is how you’d do it.

by txhawkeye on Oct 18, 2010 10:59 AM CDT reply actions  

Just look at South Carolina Saturday.

They beat Alabama last week and then beat their own Cocks at Kentucky.

by Ray Finkle on Oct 18, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Laces Out Finkle!

Are you comparing Iowa to Kentucky or a Cock? And for the record I’m not sure which is worse.

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by fliphawk4 on Oct 18, 2010 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I still dream

of an Oregon State vs. South Carolina bowl game

Brunettes not fighter jets

by rockyh on Oct 18, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Wait... Why?

Why would you want to see the Beavers vs the Co…. Oh I see what you did there

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by ClaybornSmash on Oct 18, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oregon State's defense can take a good pounding and still be on top, though.

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by hkobb7 on Oct 18, 2010 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Maybe three weeks out of four

but that fourth week they are bloody awful.

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by Kluginator on Oct 18, 2010 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

BRAVO Sirs!

Well played.

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by fliphawk4 on Oct 18, 2010 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've got a girl friend in town,

today she’s an ad executive, but back in the day she went to, and was a cheerleader at, South Carolina. I was teasing her about the school’s name and she ran through a litany of cheers, the best of which centered around “YOU CAN’T BEAT OUR COCKS”

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by Zulu on Oct 18, 2010 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

My former stepson is at South Carolina right now

Finishing his senior year on Army ROTC scholarship. He loves being able to scream “GO COCKS!”. BTW, South Carolina is one of the nicer campuses in the SEC… I think its just as nice as Athens.

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by The Bird Cult on Oct 18, 2010 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

The last one was too much.

I was giggling until I was gagging.

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by therealCatnuts on Oct 19, 2010 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

thought number a

a’s a number right… anyway, couldn’t agree more there.

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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Oct 18, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Regarding Richard...

e) IMO, Richard is flying way under the radar with the insane year he’s having. I realize he’s gone pretty conservative so as to not throw the brain fart int, but his completion %age is ridiculous.

Not after this week. Big 10 OPW tends to get one noticed!

by Roosevelt on Oct 18, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Who would have thunk it

Over mid way through the season and the B10 has 7 quarterbacks ranked in the top 20 nationally for QB Efficincy and Ricky Stanzi is leading the pack!!!!

3 Richard Stanzi, Iowa 180.49
4 Dan Persa, Northwestern 173.27
11 Kirk Cousins, Michigan St. 163.39
15 Scott Tolzien, Wisconsin 159.29
16 Denard Robinson, Michigan 159.09
17 Terrelle Pryor, Ohio St. 157.97
19 Ben Chappell, Indiana 156.9

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by Kluginator on Oct 18, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sure, the Wolverines got a pretty easy touchdown when Hyde and Brett Greenwood biffed the coverage on an outside fly route by Junior Hemingway

IIRC, (and I very well may not), Greenwood dropped into triple deep coverage and Hyde did not. Not sure how you can fault Greenwood since the play call put him out of position and Hyde didn’t drop into the triple deep that was apparently called.

by PackerHawk on Oct 18, 2010 11:10 AM CDT reply actions  

Lead Blocking

Rogers did a really good job run blocking on saturday. If Morse can’t go again this weekend I think he’ll continue to open up holes quite adequately for ARob. Not to mention with another year or two under his belt he could be quite the fearsome fullback for opposing linebackers.

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by RGates on Oct 18, 2010 11:16 AM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, I noticed some of Rogers' blocking on the replay of the game.

He did a hell of a job out there.

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by RossWB on Oct 18, 2010 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don't forget to give him his candy.

One of the announcers several years back said “you need to give that FB a piece of candy every so often.”

I’d like to see the Cambus take a bit of the load off A-Rob while giving him his piece of candy. Not a whole trick-or-treat bucket of candy mind you, but at least a few pieces.

by KinnickNorthHawk on Oct 18, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

2 yd first down candy

Ya personally i’m a fan of givin the fullback the rock say 2 maybe 3 times a game with an average guy and maybe more with a good one. It would have to be hard to tackle rogers for anything less than a 2 yard gain so I’m all for giving it to him once in a while to pick up a tough first down rather than a somewhat risky qb sneak.

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by RGates on Oct 18, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Rogers isn't really totally a fullback type

He’s been on the depth chart at FB and RB, and can play both. I think if KOK really wants to, he can come up with some wicked draws, motions, etc, that will involve Rogers fairly heavily, especially if he wants to spare Robinson from the hell that is coming to Kinnick in the next two weeks. Speaking of which, what’s Morse’s injury again? I know we saw him some on Saturday, but I’ve forgotten what he’s dealing with at the moment.

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by hkobb7 on Oct 18, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

morse injury

I believe Morse has a stinger and was held out similarly to Tarpinian as more precaution than absolute necessity.

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by RGates on Oct 18, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Anyone have info on Tarp's availability for Saturday?

Know he’s not on the 2-deeps, but that really doesn’t mean much.

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by HoyaGoon on Oct 18, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

kirk can share his gum

and that's another Hawkeye first down... EHAWW!!

by HawkPocket on Oct 18, 2010 1:21 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah, but

if we’re not going to give Morse, or Tom Busch before him, the ball to run ever, then we’re not going to do it with a redshirt freshmen at FB.

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by HoyaGoon on Oct 18, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cambus

Was really good. I thought his blocks were better than Morse.

by MSPHawkeye on Oct 18, 2010 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

… and he caught a pass for a nice gain. I, too, wouldn’t object to see him get a carry or three.

by txhawkeye on Oct 18, 2010 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Remember Jeremy Allen?

We should use him like that.

Brunettes not fighter jets

by rockyh on Oct 18, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Too young.

Unfortunately I do not remember Jeremy Allen.

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by RGates on Oct 18, 2010 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Allen was a stud

Multiple time all-American and Big Ten champ in track as a thrower. The guy could get across the ring quicker than anyone I’ve ever seen. I think he had more quickness and athleticism that our current FB’s.

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by TX Hawk on Oct 18, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

And he blew his assignment/role

on a 3rd down play when he was supposed to release out for the pass but held his block, forcing Stanzi to run for minimal gain and then punt. Let’s not be quite so quick to start throwing dirt on the “grave” of a guy who has started for the better part of 3 seasons and done pretty good job of it.

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by HoyaGoon on Oct 18, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is holding a block rather than letting the rusher go really a bad thing?

Or a blown assignment?

No sarcasm – honest questions.

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by bpriebe on Oct 18, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

In this case, it was blown assignment.

It was a little swing pass, he should have chipped the rusher, released and caught the ball behind the rusher. Sort of a fullback screen, I couldn’t see the WR but I assume they were busy blocking for him instead of running routes since Stanzi didn’t go somewhere else with the ball. It was pretty clearly a play designed to go to one spot, and when he lost his mind it was on Stanzi to do what he could running.

by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Oct 18, 2010 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gracias.

I didn’t remember the play. I’ll look for it when I watch the game again.

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by bpriebe on Oct 18, 2010 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

De nada.

It’s easy to spot, everybody except Cambus was looking around like they were lost. Cambus was busy blocking. It’s kind of like when the center is the one with the snap count wrong, everybody else looks like a fool.

by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Oct 18, 2010 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

It’s kind of like when the center is the one with the snap count wrong, everybody else looks like a fool.

Unfortunately, that also happened last week.

by PackerHawk on Oct 18, 2010 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the ref's call was

“False start. The whole Offensive line. Five yard penalty.”

Never heard a ref say that one before.

by KinnickNorthHawk on Oct 19, 2010 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Me either

But Ferentz clearly was not guilty since he was the only person on the team that didn’t move when he was supposed to.

by PackerHawk on Oct 19, 2010 1:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I wasn’t going there. I like Morse a lot (not that he’s perfect – the miffed block at tOSU overtime last year IIRC), my thought had more to do with wondering if there’s a carry for a FB in KOK’s playbook. Of course, the first time he calls that whoever it is will be tackled for a 3 yd loss, so what the fuck do I know anyway.

by txhawkeye on Oct 18, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Shonn Greene getting stuffed on fourth down at MSU was also off a Morse whiff

But he missed all of one or two blocks last year. He’s a very capable blocker, and knows his assignments very well. He has less speed, I think, than Rogers, and less flexibility, but he’s a better fullback in general.

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by hkobb7 on Oct 18, 2010 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought Herman was to blame for the Greene stuff.

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by Kluginator on Oct 18, 2010 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's my recollection too.

Wasn’t Morse out for that game?

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by Adam Jacobi on Oct 18, 2010 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure if he was out...

But I’m pretty sure it was Leppert. I would happily accept any correction on the matter if I’m mistaken.

by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Oct 18, 2010 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Coulda sworn it was Morse.

But if it wasn’t Morse, it would have been Leppert. IIRC, Herman was a LB at that point, was he not?

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by hkobb7 on Oct 22, 2010 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think that was actually Leppert

But I could be wrong.

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by HoyaGoon on Oct 19, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I actually didn't know until right now that Morse had been out...

…and I think that is a compliment to The Cambus. He obviously did well, but I hope Morse is back by MSU. They run some interesting blitz packages that a frosh might not read appropriately, whereas Morse has much more experience picking the correct block on blitz packages.

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Oct 19, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

With Iowa, pass defense is still a question

However, I don’t think Forcier was necessarily a fair indicator. The team did not prepare for him, but instead for the shorter run-pass game with D. Robinson. That doesn’t eliminate my concerns. The Arizona game is perhaps a better example; knowing we\‘re in a tight game, nobody’s foot went off the gas, and they burn us badly, once each half, once at crunch time. I’m not worried about Tolzein doing that to us. Cousins, however, is a different story.

Saturday was just another chapter in the continuing saga of RichRod’s scheme vs. Big Ten defenses. While most big ten teams really need two running backs to make it through the season, with Rich Rod, they instead need two quarterbacks. That makes for interesting recruiting. Even then, I’m not completely sure they didn’t keep Forcier in because D. Robinson was becoming less effective. As far behind as they were, Michigan needed the better passer, and that’s Forcier.

Frankly, however, one person killed Michigan—their kicker. Both times when Michigan truly seized momentum, he doinked it out of bounds. If we were back on the 20, true to form, we would likely have been more conservative on offense, and our chances of scoring would have been reduced.

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by Mr. Grizz on Oct 18, 2010 11:20 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

+1 on the kicker

Great to see Meyer come out and knock it through at the big house, he is improving each week and we need him to. It’s no earth shaking prophecy to state that special teams meltdowns and turnovers will be the difference in setting the tempo and controlling the game when playing our mirror image schemes over the coming weeks.

As we saw and as we well know, the kicking game can be the difference between a calculated promising chess move and a friendly fire fubar.

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by sailorjerry on Oct 18, 2010 11:45 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Iowa is ranked 19th still in Pass Efficiency Defense

so if pass defense is our questionable area then perhaps we are maybe doing okay. Part of the passing numbers against Iowa are attributable to the Parker formula – shut down the run and force them to beat you through the air. All in all it has worked out pretty good.

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by Kluginator on Oct 18, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

And the overall pattern (sans AZ) of "get big lead, bleed the clock"

Teams have had to abandon the run to have any hope of getting back into games against us this year.

by PackerHawk on Oct 18, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree in part, disagree in part

Our ranking is still probably good because we have been playing against Arnaud, a freshman PSU quarterback, some small school guys, but against the one team with a good quarterback (Arizona) and the team with a decent passer when they use him (Michigan) we have been burned deep twice each time, each but one leading to touchdowns. We do allow a lot of the small stuff under the Parker formula, and we challenge teams to sustain a drive against us. But that is premised upon not getting beaten by the deep ball. Not every team we play has a quarterback who can burn us deep. More will try, however, and the boys in the backfield have some work to do.

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by Mr. Grizz on Oct 18, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1000 about the kickoffs. When those two went OOB I was dumbfounded and laughing my ass off. Who does that? I know RichRod didn’t order those up, but you’d think someone might have mentioned to the poor guy that it was kind of important not to allow Iowa to start from the 40. Also, Ross, if you ever get down to reading this, what did it sound like in the stadium going into the half? On television the boos sounded loud, and not in a supportive way to the home team.

by txhawkeye on Oct 18, 2010 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

They were pretty irate going into halftime.

Partially because they wanted Michigan to go for it on fourth and one, partially because their attempt to draw Iowa offside was so laughably inept (lining up the punter behind center? really?), and partially (mostly) because their team had been playing like rancid ass ever since their opening drive. They were pretty quiet in the second half and there was a steady stream of people heading to the exits after Iowa went up 28-7. To their credit, though, they really got back into things in the fourth quarter when Michigan was completing everything under the sun and chopping into our lead.

And, yeah, they were really pissed off at the two OOB kickoffs.

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by RossWB on Oct 18, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

And to be fair to the pass D

a number of those passes were simply good catches/luck by the Michigan WRs. To a significant extent, Forcier was simply throwing it up and hoping. More often than is statistically likely, it ended up working out for Michigan, but it also led to ugly picks like Johnson’s as there were only two people who could have made a play on it: Johnson and Tillison (?) five yards further downfield, there wasn’t a Michigan WR anywhere near enough to make a play on that pass. Sometimes, you get lucky.

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by HoyaGoon on Oct 18, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cousins

I totally agree that Cousins is the better passer but he got hammered by the Illini. Luckily for him, most of the Zookers are fairly light and not the behemoths that he’ll face in 2 weeks.

by PDXMARTIN on Oct 18, 2010 12:48 PM CDT reply actions  

twitter

there’s no reason why any of the players need to be on Twitter or really anything. if I were a player and read some of the things on ESPN’s blog comments I would feel like crap.

and that's another Hawkeye first down... EHAWW!!

by HawkPocket on Oct 18, 2010 1:23 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

I agree with the marsupial

Twitter and FB are trouble in even the most skilled celebrity hands. Can’t take back what is said there, and it can reach a huge amount of people instantly. Telling 18-22 year olds to stay away is a good idea.

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by therealCatnuts on Oct 18, 2010 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

*puts hands in pouch...

and that's another Hawkeye first down... EHAWW!!

by HawkPocket on Oct 18, 2010 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thats so dirty...

If I wanted a signature line, I would have asked for one... /facepalm

by hawkeye_heartattack on Oct 18, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey, put it away.

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by hkobb7 on Oct 18, 2010 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’m so confused

and that's another Hawkeye first down... EHAWW!!

by HawkPocket on Oct 18, 2010 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Im not concerned about a couple of guys' confidence

but that’s only players like DJK, Stanzi and Clayborn who have experience and perspective. Any guy less than a senior that has been tested on the field would probably be effected by what some people write using the anonymity of the internet to say things they never would if they had to own up to the comments.

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by ClaybornSmash on Oct 18, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am sure a lot of it has to do with the dreaded "OR Sandeman" on the depth chart

But DJK has also agreed to not talk to the media this season. It is not all KF saying no. I believe he posted something about this on his facebook (I am not “friends” with him, but someone posted this on one of the message boards, so it must be true).

I think I even heard that he declined to talk to the media after this game after KF allowed him if wanted since he broke Timmy D’s record.

by The Barea Bunch on Oct 18, 2010 5:43 PM CDT reply actions  

Holy Shit Batman!

All of the sudden we have a star-studded offense. I know, I know, we all have known these players were good but to see them perform at this high of a level ALL AT THE SAME TIME…just beautiful.

Arob has really been the cinderella man this year. The way he has performed this year when he’s basically had no rest, even now becoming a major contributor in the passing game, is sort of jaw-dropping; in ways more impressive than shonn greene’s lone season. Hopefully we can give Arob a break in these next few games so he can be there in the 4th quarter; we will need him.

I’m really glad to see Djk got this record and I agree with everything that’s been said above. He has really made improvements this year as well and you can really tell that he’s a competitor. I guess that I’m okay with what ferentz is doing, but I don’t think he deserves it. They both seem to be fine with it.

Stanzi is performing beyond my expectation and I think that goes for just about everyone. In years past he showed flashes but this year he is doing it consistently. In my opinion he is putting up as good or better numbers than any other postseason awards contenders that I’ve been hearing about. He needs a “marquee” win like he had in 2008 vs penn st.

Players who I hope will step up their game to a more consistant level:

Allen Reisner
Marvin McNutt
Shaun Prater
Micah Hyde
Mike Daniels(kidding)

by bornofclay on Oct 18, 2010 8:00 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

If the oline keeps blowing holes open for A-Rob and the WRs continue to block well...

He won’t get beaten up nearly as much as everyone fears.

Yes, some of the success this season is due to A-Rob’s abilities, but he’s also getting great blocking. When our ball control running game is clicking, it is a thing of brutal beauty to watch. There really has to be nothing more demoralizing for a defense than to keep lining up and having the oline blow you three yards off the ball and the running backs getting 6-10 yard gains a play.

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by The Bird Cult on Oct 18, 2010 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

Am I the only one who feels like the o-line has been performing way beyond expectations. It was a big question mark prior to and the o-line always seems to take a while to gel, ecxept this year. I might be speaking too early as the wisky mich st and ohio st games will show how good they really are but so far so good…

by bornofclay on Oct 19, 2010 6:23 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

The Hawks will need to use the pass more

to open up the run against UW and MSU. The only team with a DL close to these two is Arizona where the Hawks rushed for about 30 yards on as many carries. Watts and Butrym are very good and the freshman Kohout is coming on also. I expect some improvement over Arizona (if not we are dead meat) but if Wisky is loading the front and not respecting the pass we will have a very hard time running the ball.

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by Kluginator on Oct 19, 2010 7:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

Am I the only one who feels like the o-line has been performing way beyond expectations. It was a big question mark prior to and the o-line always seems to take a while to gel, ecxept this year. I might be speaking too early as the wisky mich st and ohio st games will show how good they really are but so far so good…

by bornofclay on Oct 19, 2010 1:40 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

He needs a "marquee" win like he had in 2008 vs penn st.

Too bad there aren’t any more opportunities for one or three of these left on the schedule. If I emerges from the next two weeks with W’s and Ricky continues to play with the efficiency he has up until now, then I think the individual accolades will come with the team ones.

by PackerHawk on Oct 18, 2010 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

You know, I will take BORING over "Marquee" every single fucking time.

The more I think about it, the more Craig James is just pissing me off… and I have to work tomorrow so I can’t drunk to alleviate the feeling of pissed-off-ed-ness. Damn him.

Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more cowbell!!

by The Bird Cult on Oct 18, 2010 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think "marquee" refers to the level of opposition.

Settle down. Craig James can’t hurt you now.

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by Adam Jacobi on Oct 18, 2010 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I’d imagine winning the three remaining home games by 1-3 points each would still make all of them “marquee” wins.

And Craig James sounds like he’s ready to move Iowa up with a win this weekend, definitely if we win the next two.

by PackerHawk on Oct 19, 2010 1:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes

What “marquee win” meant to me at least is that we haven’t played any elite teams…or rather, we haven’t played in any big games from a national perspective, or really even a conference perspective. Those games are coming, but if Stanzi can put up numbers like he has been and we come out with wins then the chatter will increase.

Just to put it out there I really don’t give a shit as long as we win but as long as Stanzi keeps playing like he’s been playing then it’s a legit and relevant discussion. Just imagine the ripple effect of Stanzi winning the heisman…

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by bornofclay on Oct 19, 2010 3:50 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Oh, thank god Craig James is finally ready to move Iowa up...

…I’ve been waiting, all season looooooooooothththththththththtpppppppppppppppppppppttptptpptptpptptpptp (fffffffffaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt… ah).

That’s all I have to say about that.

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Oct 19, 2010 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Forest, Forest Gump...

I’d like to talk about IF we run the guantlet will the AZ game be seen as the perfect storm it was and would it be possible, with help, that we could actually play for a MNC? I’m a homer, no doubt, and I keep running the scenario: We’d need help like AL taking another loss, which I think is possible. Auburn would need to lose somewhere, OK has to lose somewhere; that would leave fBoise, fOregon, and fTCU and I think we jump two of them.

Homer is as homer does…

by Grixxly on Oct 19, 2010 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I could really give a flying fuck what he thinks

But as a talking head on tWWL, his opinion (unfortunately) matters quite a bit down the stretch. As much as we (rightfully) don’t care about him, he still matters. That being said, I wouldn’t mine locking him in a storage shed and telling him to shut the fuck up.

by PackerHawk on Oct 20, 2010 5:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

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