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A Biased and Imprecise History of Iowa Football: 1889-1900




As one of the senior members of the BHGP community--and by senior I mean old, not important, intelligent, insightful, or anything but just plain old--I often find myself referring to "The Good Old Days" before iPods, cell-phones, and the combustion engine. (1) The days before KF, the days of Knothole Seats, the days of kids selling pop in the stands, and hippies smoking grass in the hilly corners. In that spirit of senile decrepitude that afflicts many of my era, I thought I'd embark on a history of Iowa Football from the beginning (1889), to the present (now), using my own memories and a few books I have plus some shit I'll prolly just wing and make up.

Today, it's the beginning: 1889-1900.

Star-divide

The State University of Iowa was organized Feb 25, 1847, and it only took 42 years before they began kicking a pigskin around. And when they did, they did it with hubris and style: on Oct 6, 1889, the team placed a notice in a campus newspaper, rather arrogantly stating, "The state university football team hereby challenges any college or other team in the state of Iowa to a game of football."

I guess this passed for scheduling in those days. Anyway, only tiny Grinnell College took up the dare, and our beloved gridders traveled to their house for the big match. Naturally, the "state university football team" got their asses handed to them in a major league fuck-kicking, 24-0.

Not surprisingly, this was the only game they played all season. Yes, in their first season of existence, the State University of Iowa's football team played ONE FUCKING GAME, which they lost, badly, to a bunch of egg-heads who almost got into Harvard but didn't, and who got stuck in Grinnell, Iowa instead. (2)

Undaunted, the Hawkeyes practiced-up, and in 1890 issued a re-match, a grudge-match, an almost-1900-style cage-match, a winner-take-all we-fuck-you-up-match challenge right back at those Grinnell bastards. Challenge accepted. GAME ON.

Without delay, they proceeded to lose again, 14-6. Their confidence bolstered by the fact that they had just scored ALMOST 50% of the points as their opponent, the SUI team played Iowa Wesleyan in a second game that year, doubling the length of their season in one swell foop. They performed only slightly more competently, squeaking past the Wesleyan's 91-0. (3)

Which begs asking: what the HELL did they change from week one to week two? At what point in the Wesleyan game do you think they realized that maybe they were going to win one? And how BAD must Iowa Wesleyan have been? Did they even field 11 players? Had they seen a football before? Did they know you could carry it around, or did they only try to kick it? Were there girls in petticoats in their backfield, shrieking at every ball that came their way? Did they field semi-trained domestic animals? What the hell.

Anyway, Iowa followed that up with a win against Minnesota (the original LOLGophers) before falling YET AGAIN against the Midwest juggernaut that apparently was Grinnell back then, 6-4. I think this explains, in part, why we no longer play Grinnell, after all those early ass-kickings: they had our number. They were our justNorthwestern, before there was a justNorthwestern.

In fact, of the team's first six games EVER, three of them were losses to Grinnell. Even more frightening, for those who complain how easy Boise State has it, Iowa also played--and lost to, by the way--Doane (a 10-0 loss, to DOANE??), my alma mater Luther (SUI won, 32-0 over the Norse at a time when Luther students took Latin and operated a farm) (4), the Denver Athletic Club, the Des Moines YMCA (!), a college of "Physicians and Surgeons", Wilton, Rush (the college, not the Canadian songwriters of such classics as "By-Tor and the Snow-Dog" and "Xanadu"), (5) and Parsons College (RIP).

Thank goodness, for the sake of historical chest-thumping, that we beat the Des Moines YMCA (or God-help-you trying to work out there in TigerHawk gear), but if you start to diss anyone from "Physicians and Surgeons" you'd better shut your damn mouth and quietly walk away: they dissected us with surgical skill the only time we played, 14-0 in 1897.

Not to mention Doane.....DOANE!!

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(1) I am in my forties. I do not request the Senior Citizens rate at Bishop's Buffet, and I do not take any prescription medications. Also, I do not have to pop any pills "when the mood is right." As for that last statement, I do not even know myself if I am bragging or merely stating a fact.

(2) I've been to Grinnell a time or two, and Boston is better. How Grinnell became the "Harvard of the Midwest" is about as obvious as the whereabouts of Jimmy Hoffa, or the popularity of the "Dave Matthews Band." 

(3) I don't even know how one scores 91 points, since it's a prime number. Fifteen TD's and ONE extra-point? Ten TD's, five safeties, and seven field goals? The possibilities boggle the mind.

(4) By the time I went to Luther, the farm was no longer in operation. Still had to take Latin though: Sic semper tyrannis! E pluribus unum! Caveat emptor! See, some things you never forget.

(5) Rush is a polarizing band that some love and many hate. Still, the recent documentary about them is quite good, more entertaining than it has any right to be. One surprising tid-bit from it: Alex Lifeson is hilarious. Another utterly unsurprising tid-bit from it: Neal Peart is not. 

Next up, if anyone shows any interest in more, the early 20th Century: success, failure, the unstoppable power that was Michigan, and the "other" Howard Jones--the one who could coach.

Unless otherwise expressly indicated by BHGP editors, this FanPost is strictly the viewpoint of the author and is not endorsed by BHGP in any way.

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Pretty damn good start, sir.

Even if I suppose I’m calling you sir because you’re “old, not important, intelligent, insightful, or anything but just plain old”

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Oct 13, 2010 9:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Keep bringing the history lesson

Does everyone some good

/rec’d

STANZI UP

by BentNotBroken on Oct 13, 2010 10:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Goddamn Grinnell.

I have never liked those fucking hippies.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Oct 13, 2010 10:15 PM CDT reply actions  

they do SO MANY DRUGS

i think it was sort of a berzerker thing – and we didnt expect it because the norse were such PUSSIES when we did play them…

fightin for president stanzi's fightin americanzis since his first 13 yards charge - syracuse '07

by metcalfrhymeswithblodbath on Oct 13, 2010 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Grinnell

The Purdue of the 19th century.

by TEXaco on Oct 13, 2010 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

as a grinnell alum

i can tell you that our epic defeat of iowa was the high point of grinnell’s football program.

How depressing is it being you? Is it closer to being a lifelong cubs fan or being born without lips? - Janitor

by themanthemyth on Oct 15, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

very nice

Grinnell… The rivalry was so intense we had to call it off after only 3 years and it has never resumed. So take that fucking ISU

"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable

by ClaybornSmash on Oct 13, 2010 10:20 PM CDT reply actions  

I read it as we played them twice in the same year

Except for loosing both games can we get that scheduling system again? Two games against ISU, two against OMHR (both home and homes), two Macrifices (Kinnick only) and five against the LOLphers (makes no difference where we play, Kinnick or Kinnick North 2.0). I am smelling MNC.

You can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning

by The Bacon Explosion on Oct 14, 2010 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

That first season it was just once. A second game was canceled for weather, I recall.

One game, the whole season—that game LITERALLY was the whole season, which is probably where that saying comes from.

Then the second year we only played them the once, but in subsequent seasons we did play them more than once in a year, IIRC, or sometimes played other local squads more than once a season. At the time, I think you played whoever you could take the train to in under four hours, and asked questions later. And the squads weren’t “vetted” by anyone, either. Basically you could be a professor and play, or likely even a janitor and play, or maybe not even affiliated with the SUI at all and play. I think the “Clearinghouse” was whether you were perhaps an escaped convict or not, and even then you probably could ref it.

My fave opponent remains the Des Moines YMCA. Would LOVE to know how that one came about, and if the SUI team maybe threw a medicine ball around after the game with the YMCA boys, or took a quick dip in the pool, or tried out that newfangled game of tossing a ball through a peach basket.

by The Director on Oct 14, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not Surprisingly

ESPN does not have the box score for the SUI vs. DMYMCA game.

Also not surprisingly, the sideline reporters still sucked at that game.

Why expand the Big Ten when we could just kick Northwestern out?

by hawkstormer on Oct 14, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting

because they do have coverage of OMGSEC Alabama playing the Mobile YMCA

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Oct 14, 2010 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bobby Bowden's wins while at Samford included

Naval Air Station Memphis, Tennessee Tech freshmen, and the University of Mexico.

Ahh. The good old days.

"But then again I’d second guess anything a clown like me says anyway."

by ReadingRambler on Oct 14, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, and back then the coach was just some guy they selected before each season.

I think a lot of the time it was a student who didn’t actually play, so they coached (Is that where that “Those who can’t DO, coach” line comes from?).

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Oct 15, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I LOVE THIS

i want more of this

only complaint – you neglected to mention the FUCKING AMAZING drummer of RUSH (neal peart) and the BEST FUCKING SONG EVER tom sawyer.
i know that sounds cliche – but thats what was missing here.

but seriously, ill read each post at least 3 times and grin and giggle like a little school girl. keep it up!
/admired’d

fightin for president stanzi's fightin americanzis since his first 13 yards charge - syracuse '07

by metcalfrhymeswithblodbath on Oct 13, 2010 10:31 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm giving you a yellow card for asking for a Tom Sawyer reference.

I thought it was great for NOT mentioning TS or Geddy Lee’s voice.

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Oct 13, 2010 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Geddy Lee

The BEST bass player ever, COME ON!!

Oh, *fuck you*! I'm not the rope-totin' Charlie Bronson wannabe that's getting us fucking lost!

by Scrotie McBoogerballs on Oct 14, 2010 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's why it bothers me that the layman (not the J Leman) only talks about his voice.

The dude thrashes on bass, everyone should know that. Sadly, his falseto overshadows his musical ability.

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Oct 15, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think someone should get a red card for mentioning Rush.

"But then again I’d second guess anything a clown like me says anyway."

by ReadingRambler on Oct 14, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Had to--it was a historical fact that we played them.

I suppose if we played Led Zep A & M, I’m not allowed to mention “Hats Off To Roy Harper” or “Bron-Y-Aur Stomp”?

About Rush: way too easy to mention Tom Sawyer. Gotta’ make people work a little harder than that. Wanted to give a 2112 song, but was too damn lazy to look one up and was afraid I’d spell “Syrinx” or whatever the hell wrong and look like an idiot.

I’ll wait a few days and do Part II of The History. Thanks for the interest, all.

by The Director on Oct 14, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

By-Tor

Fly By Night is Rush’s best album, and I challenge anyone to prove me wrong.

by The Naked Bootleg on Oct 14, 2010 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I challenge you to prove that any Rush albums are good

Just one man’s opinion

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Oct 14, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

WRONG! "Subdivisions" = Best. Rush. Song. Ever.

If I wanted a signature line, I would have asked for one... /facepalm

by hawkeye_heartattack on Oct 14, 2010 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

and who do you have to stroke to bump this to front page?

fightin for president stanzi's fightin americanzis since his first 13 yards charge - syracuse '07

by metcalfrhymeswithblodbath on Oct 13, 2010 10:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Me.

With your mouth.

Ceci n'est pas un blogue.

by Adam Jacobi on Oct 13, 2010 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

done

/front page’d ?

fightin for president stanzi's fightin americanzis since his first 13 yards charge - syracuse '07

by metcalfrhymeswithblodbath on Oct 13, 2010 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Geez, are you related to Director?

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Oct 14, 2010 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

nope, just came back from the bar, this was the first post i read, went over the top

but dont regret it one bit. i like this post – and would love to have the series continue!

fightin for president stanzi's fightin americanzis since his first 13 yards charge - syracuse '07

by metcalfrhymeswithblodbath on Oct 14, 2010 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Front page bump means it escapes from the rec'd fanpost section...

If I wanted a signature line, I would have asked for one... /facepalm

by hawkeye_heartattack on Oct 14, 2010 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

im not trying to help. i just love this post.

fightin for president stanzi's fightin americanzis since his first 13 yards charge - syracuse '07

by metcalfrhymeswithblodbath on Oct 14, 2010 1:47 AM CDT reply actions  

I love a bit of history

Here’s some excellent source material for ya if you haven’t seen it yet:

http://www.iowalum.com/magazine/football_history/

Brunettes not fighter jets

by rockyh on Oct 14, 2010 4:14 AM CDT reply actions  

Love it! Keep it coming.

The saddest thing to happen to Fairfield, IA was when Parsons College closed its doors (not that I was around at that time or anything). Both my parents are Fairfield natives and graduates. My dad said it was a pretty kick-ass party school at some point. The university that now sits on the site of old Parsons College dismantled the football stadium and built huge golden domes (NTTAWWT). I guess they wanted to replace the violence of football with the tranquelity associated with transcendental meditation.

If I wanted a signature line, I would have asked for one... /facepalm

by hawkeye_heartattack on Oct 14, 2010 9:30 AM CDT reply actions  

Parents both Parsons Alums-married in the chapel!

Quite a story really-Parsons college that is*. Was fairly typical school, then hired Roberts guy as President- wanted to be Grinnell, got east coast money connections and went on spree. Turns out he was a crook and idiot, so big bankruptcy ensued and school closed.
Floaters buy the place, and turn bball arena into floater central. Aunt signed up for “meditation” class and went with 3 of her bridge (grasshopper chugging should say) pals, they were all in their late 60s or so*. They sat through 2 hour orientation (older ladies sitting on the matted floor mind you) anxious for the first lesson. At the end of the orientation, they were informed that the last piece of business before meditating was to sign a confidentiality agreement and promise not to divulge to outsiders what goes on in floater central.
The 4 huddled together, agreed that talking about it was really the only reason they were there and that they were too moral to falsely sign the agreement, and with class and dignity got up and ambled out. Story always made me think of Animal House.

by Sky High King on Oct 14, 2010 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

My folks were married in the chapel as well... 1969.

And both graduated from FHS. Classes of ’63 and ’65.

Perhaps we’re long lost brothers (nah). We definitely know each other (or know of each other).

I haven’t heard “floaters” in awhile. Made me giggle a little bit as a former “towny” (well “Lockridger” technically).

Iowa is so strange, man. I love the place and would LOVE to move back, but what makes us as Iowans unique is that we try to be like everyone else, but just can’t fuckin get it right. Better to just act like ourselves instead of trying to be east or west coast (and Chicago of course).

If I wanted a signature line, I would have asked for one... /facepalm

by hawkeye_heartattack on Oct 14, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

As my dad tells it about Parsons*

The “east coast money connections” were selling admission to delinquent rich kids who had been kicked out of other schools. I heard the parking lot at Parsons was unreal if you were into expensive muscle cars.

*He’s from Muscatine and went to UI, not from Fairfield, but I wasn’t alive then, so who am I to question him?

by PackerHawk on Oct 15, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

They can float

Maharishi! Maharishi! RAH! RAH! RAH!

"I don't believe in quotes" - Karl Klug

by Nature Boy on Oct 14, 2010 9:54 AM CDT reply actions  

Very nicely done

as someone who loves history (and didn’t come into existence in this world until nearly 100 years after Iowa football began), I enjoy reading this stuff. Keep it up!

“Did they field semi-trained domestic animals?” Are you sure you weren’t referring to Iowa State on this one?

by HeroPatriotStanzi on Oct 14, 2010 10:32 AM CDT reply actions  

Very well done.

Want to hear how this all ends. Please dont tell me if Doane turns out to be Purdue in disguise.

Who's leg do I have to hump to get a drink around here?-Brian

by fliphawk4 on Oct 14, 2010 10:38 AM CDT reply actions  

Doane College is in Crete, Nebraska

Has about 1,000 students, but in the 1890’s all it needed was 11 of them quick and savvy enough to beat the proud/arrogant/naive Hawkeyes of SUI 10-0.

I think, if we played them today, we’d likely avoid the shut-out. Nevertheless, from reading some of the history, it appears that Grinnell was indeed OMHR of the time, before it became the hated and despised Boilermakers just a month ago.

by The Director on Oct 14, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think I remember seeing Doane play Briar Cliff when I lived in Sioux City.

And:

Nevertheless, from reading some of the history, it appears that Grinnell was indeed OMHR of the time, before it became the hated and despised Boilermakers just a month ago.

Lies! We have always hated Purdue. We just didn’t, uh, always realize it.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Oct 14, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Frank Kinney Holbrook: First African-American Football Player at Iowa; 1895/96

The U of Iowa has always been proud of its history of equal-access, and that carried over to sports as well. The leading scorer of the ‘96 team was Frank Holbrook. Having an African-American on the squad was a big deal at the time, and controversial depending on where the team played. Tensions were high and the game rough down in Columbia, Missouri in 1896. Here’s a link for anyone interested: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Kinney_Holbrook

Of even more significance regarding Missouri (one of our potential future Big 10 partners), there was a very ugly incident surrounding the 1910 game. Iowa’s coach swore afterwards that he’d never schedule a game against Missouri again, and indeed, we have now surpassed 100 years.

by Space Hawkeye on Oct 14, 2010 1:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Fuckin Missouri

I didn't order assholes with my whiskey

by White Lightning on Oct 14, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

They're the Purdue of the Big12

Who's leg do I have to hump to get a drink around here?-Brian

by fliphawk4 on Oct 14, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Colors and all

"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me

by BStylin Hawkye on Oct 14, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

We really haven't played Missouri since 1910?

That’s crazy for border states such as we are.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Oct 14, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's True

Indeed, the football teams haven’t met in 100 years, and it all began with very bitter feelings following the 1910 game in which Missouri refused to take the field if an African-American was allowed to play. Iowa left Archie Alexander in I.C. for his personal safety after threats were sent.

I’ve heard speculation that in more recent times Iowa was close to scheduling a home-home matchup, but Missouri backed out.

by Space Hawkeye on Oct 14, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

They were scheduled to play in, I think, 2005-2008.

Missouri backed out of the deal in 2004, which necessitated some scrambling from Iowa. I think Syracuse wound up being a replacement for a few of those games.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Oct 14, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure

the UNI game in 05 was a last minute replacement for Mizzou as well

by HeroPatriotStanzi on Oct 14, 2010 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I vaguely recall that, too.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Oct 14, 2010 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

theyre still that racist?

fightin for president stanzi's fightin americanzis since his first 13 yards charge - syracuse '07

by metcalfrhymeswithblodbath on Oct 14, 2010 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Their pointy white helmets looked funny out there

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Oct 14, 2010 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

But they've been donated to the Penn State student section, so it's okay

I'm gonna give her my "D" face. Deeeee, deeee, deeee!
---Norm Parker

by hkobb7 on Oct 14, 2010 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Eco-friendly by recycling.

Who's leg do I have to hump to get a drink around here?-Brian

by fliphawk4 on Oct 14, 2010 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wait is that going green or going white?

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Oct 15, 2010 1:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

The last time Penn St. saw Green(e)

They got STOMPED.

Who's leg do I have to hump to get a drink around here?-Brian

by fliphawk4 on Oct 15, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't call that game a stomping

Shonn was really good, but if I remember correctly it was kind of close until the end.

by PackerHawk on Oct 15, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Kind of.

Ceci n'est pas un blogue.

by Adam Jacobi on Oct 15, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Until at least the fourth quarter.

I'm gonna give her my "D" face. Deeeee, deeee, deeee!
---Norm Parker

by hkobb7 on Oct 15, 2010 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can you imagine

playing a team with zero African Americans today? Damn that would look strange. And be a cakewalk. Maybe like playing Yale? Apologies if they have a strong black representation, just would be surprised if they weren’t throwing a white-out every weekend

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Oct 15, 2010 1:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

See: 2009 Butler University basketball team

If I wanted a signature line, I would have asked for one... /facepalm

by hawkeye_heartattack on Oct 15, 2010 7:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Clyde Williams: '98-'01 -- Undefeated Quarterback

Iowa had very good teams from 1898-01. Clyde Williams was quarterback, and his record at the helm was an impressive 23-0-3. He is considered Iowa’s first All-American.

Now here’s the best part. Iowa State played football in Clyde Williams Stadium from 1915-1975. Williams coached at ISU, so they honored our Hawkeye by naming the stadium for him.

by Space Hawkeye on Oct 14, 2010 1:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Iowa Defeated ISU in 1912; ISU's Last Ever Conference Championship Year

Also painful for ISU is that they’ve only won two conference titles in the history of the program (1911, 1912 Missouri Valley). Iowa handily defeated the 1912 squad in a non-conf game.

by Space Hawkeye on Oct 14, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also painful for ISU is that

they are ISU.

Hawkeye fan, born and bred. And when I die, a Hawkeye dead.

by bpriebe on Oct 14, 2010 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can't wait until you cover 1963-1972 . . .

as I went to at least one game each season with my Dad (IU ‘49) and older brother and never – over a 10 year span – saw the Hawkeyes win a game. I didn’t see the Hawks win – in person – until 1985. Now my goal is to see the Hawks win in each Big Ten stadium. If jNW hadn’t come back with 4 minutes left a couple of years ago I’d have checked two boxes already. Nothing will ever beat last year’s win in E. Lansing – or the silent walk out of the stadium.

by NotSallyMason on Oct 14, 2010 8:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Clyde Williams, again

And, the only two conference victories, ever, for ISU, came with a Hawkeye as coach.

by Space Hawkeye on Oct 14, 2010 8:30 PM CDT reply actions  

My gramps

played in the mid-late teens under Jones. Looking forward to your next post!

by Hawkeyegirl on Oct 14, 2010 9:52 PM CDT reply actions  

If you love to read about the history of Iowa Football

a good book to pick up is written by George Wine. He has compiled of collection of his articles in a book called Black and Gold memories, I think. I am not at home to look at the title and I can’t find it on the internet, but I believe that is what the book is titled.

If you don’t have the book, it is a worth while purchase and a great read.

TOUCHDOWN IOWA! TOUCHDOWN IOWA! - Gary Dolphin
I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! - Jim Zabel

by SpoWAHawk on Oct 15, 2010 12:16 PM CDT reply actions  

I guess that it's left to me to point out that 91 is not a prime number.

13 * 7 = 91

But your original point may still stand. I don’t think TDs were seven points back then. And this is the only glitch I see in an otherwise excellent post. Thank you TD.

"Among the safe ways to pursue truth is the putting of experience ahead of any reasoning, we being sure that any fallacy must reside in the latter at least covertly." -- Galileo Galilei

by EastLosRandy on Nov 1, 2010 11:14 PM CDT reply actions  

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