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Mr. Jacobi (that's me!) writing at the All-Seeing Eye. I can't be the only one who strongly dislikes the Coaches Poll in its current format, right?

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Short answer - Yes!

Long answer, it’s long overdue, and this is at least a reasonable way to do it. I still think we’re better off just eliminating it completely, but that’s not going to happen.
Bare minimum, we need to see how each coach (or their designated peon) has voted.

It never gets to be easy

by chitownhawkeye on Oct 13, 2010 1:13 AM CDT reply actions  

Dude

I like this idea.

Don't throw rocks at the throne.

by Stone Cold on Oct 13, 2010 1:24 AM CDT reply actions  

I don't know if that would work

But it can’t be substantially worse than the present setup. (There’s still some conflict-of-interest issues here, although they’re somewhat mitigated; situations like the Big XII South Clusterfuck of 2008 are still problematic.)

by SpartanDan on Oct 13, 2010 1:37 AM CDT reply actions  

Scrap the coaches poll

While the faults of the coaches poll are many, the basic conflict of interest has the be the most glaring problem of the coaches’ poll, particularly in its current format. While I’m sure the vast majority of coaches in the poll take their responsibility seriously – i.e. hand it off to a sports information director to fill out – there are more than a few who subscribe to the Mack Brown school of ranking: #1 is my team, #s 2-13 are everyone I will play this season, and that will not change. At the end of the day, there is too inherent a conflict-of-interest in any coaches’ poll, and it should be done away with completely.

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by HoyaGoon on Oct 13, 2010 4:24 AM CDT reply actions  

Any valid poll needs to be transparent

even under Adam’s novel approach, there will be games played within the poll unless every coach’s ranks are made public.

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by Kluginator on Oct 13, 2010 5:26 AM CDT reply actions  

Klugs point is vital!

Bama Hawkeye’s number one rule for predicting bowls is “The best teams do not always go to the best bowls.” Iowa has seen and been the beneficiary of this thanks to the rabid insepid support of jNW alums. If the polls were hidden, you could rank opponents that have similar records to your team lower than they should be in order to help avoid relying on the “we travel well” principle. Transparancy only encourages honesty.

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by Thanks, Oops I Crapped My Pants on Oct 13, 2010 6:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Eh.

I generally think this “SHOW THE FANS EVERYTHING BLARRARARGHGH” approach is unnecessary, and here’s a perfect example: if a coach doesn’t just rank his top three opponents exactly according to their order in the AP, everyone will lose their shit and it becomes a distraction. Public polling, I would argue, would only lead to more politicking and manufactured outrage, and college football doesn’t need that. Just let coaches poll in private—I think that approach is more conducive to honesty.

Ceci n'est pas un blogue.

by Adam Jacobi on Oct 13, 2010 9:52 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Or, if coaches feel it's a distraction, let them NOT VOTE.

Maybe I don’t understand all the ins and outs of it, but to only vote ketchup or mustard because no one else thinks mayo is as good as those two… well it’s a wasted vote and unamerican (god that was hard for me to not go with political parties- – it would have made so much more sense).

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Oct 18, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Goddamn, Jacobi.

Have you gotten groupies yet as reward for your fantastic writing ability?

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by EnergizerHawk on Oct 13, 2010 9:17 AM CDT reply actions  

No, I'm just loathing the day I decided I disliked writing.

Going, going, going, going, going, going, going, going.... Alright, I'll stop for now.

by EnergizerHawk on Oct 13, 2010 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

they assign groupies if you work for CBS sports?

Damn I need to work on my writing skills. I want groupies!

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by SpoWAHawk on Oct 13, 2010 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

If I weren't married I'd want singlies...

…I get stage fright, and want nothing to do with menage a anythings that are associated with groups.

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Oct 18, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

The problems:

(1) Not every coach votes, and not every conference is counted equally: Currently, 59 of the 120 FBS coaches vote. There are six each from the ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, SEC, WAC, MAC, and CUSA; five from the Pac-10; four each from the Big East and Sun Belt; and two each from the Mountain West and Independents. On a percentage of membership basis, they’re representative (except for the MWC). On a pure count basis, some conferences are going to get screwed.

(2) A coach is going to have nominally more information on teams his team has yet to play than he will on teams he won’t play at all: In much the same way we may take a cursory glance at future opponents, a head coach has little time between gameplanning, recruiting, and public/media relations to scout a team he won’t see for 8 weeks. Asking him to rank those teams might take some of the “I’ve never seen them, fuck it, they’re #18” out of it, but not all of it.

(3) Similarly, a coach is going to place added emphasis on teams he’s already played: You want your standing as a program to go up? Vote that one team that beat you already #1. Imagine if Kirk Ferentz (who doesn’t vote; we’ll get to the ramifications of that later) voted Arizona #1, ahead of the rest of the Big Ten’s top teams. It wouldn’t be openly ridiculous, seeing as how the Cats were the only team to beat Iowa so far. And it would skew perceptions of his own team, because their only loss was to a team whose ranking is inflated by the fact that they won that game.

(4) If you’re not a voter, good luck getting a game: This is the big one: Telling voters they can only vote for teams they played means that wins against non-voting teams are worth considerably less. Sure, a win by Iowa might compel, say, Sweatervest to move the Hawks up slightly, but that would pale in comparison to a team that played his Buckeyes tough. And for non-con, forget about it; voting coaches would get all the games, if only because it would mean more chances for the opposition to get votes. Conversely, if it were an average as the article suggests, going independent or moving to the MWC, scheduling light on voting teams (or scheduling the voting cupcakes), and obliterating the voters could catapult a team to the top.

It might be a better system, but it’s not a fix. Sorry.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Oct 13, 2010 10:26 AM CDT reply actions  

Oh boy.

1) IT SAYS, IN BOLD, THAT EVERY COACH PARTICIPATES IN MY POLL. LEARN TO READ.

2) ERGO IT’S BETTER.

3) I’M SORRY, AT WHAT POINT ARE WEEK 4 BALLOTS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN THE WORLD?

4) SEE NUMBER ONE, I.E., THE GIANT FUCKING POINT YOU MISSED.

Ceci n'est pas un blogue.

by Adam Jacobi on Oct 13, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Aw, go fuck yourself.

OK, fine, but good luck getting every coach to take it seriously.

And let’s go ahead and do #5:

(5) Cupcake City: Are you ready to live in a world where Oklahoma State is receiving multiple first-place votes by being the best team played by at least 2 Sun Belt squads and a CUSA team? How about when FIU ranks 2-3 Pitt #1? Or North Texas’ #1 vote for Clemson or Army (and the Black Knights could well pick up a second vote from Tulane)? Or MTSU’s inevitable #1 vote for fucking Minnesota? Penn State could pick up a pair of first place votes from Kent State and Temple. Mississippi State would likely get 2 votes from UAB and Memphis.

The problem isn’t where there is one juggernaut in a weak conference like Boise in the WAC. The problem is where there are no legitimate teams, like virtually every season in CUSA, the MAC, and the Sun Belt. By loading up on cupcakes from those conferences, a team could catapult itself into relevance.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Oct 13, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah. And those votes get evened out by everybody else in the nation.

Especially since there’s only 12 teams in the C-USA and, what, 11 in the MAC? The 60 BCS teams can’t “load up” on that smaller subset of schools without some overlap, and all of a sudden these teams see 3 ranked schools and get to decide which is best.

Plus, the BCS computers wouldn’t be going away, so SOS still means something. You really want to throw that away in hopes that Western Michigan likes you the best of all their OOC opponents?

Ceci n'est pas un blogue.

by Adam Jacobi on Oct 13, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

And as for Week 4 ballots

When every conference but the Big Ten is doling out money based on television appearances, and television appearances are based on poll positioning, and a lack of money can do things like send fucking Nebraska to the Big Ten, Week 4 polls mean a metric fuckton, thank you very much.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Oct 13, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's good to see a dissenting opinion

and I think those are some good points. It still seems to me like this system would be an improvement over what we currently have.

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by therealCatnuts on Oct 13, 2010 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Way to work in

rigmarole.

My team is on the field.

by jtothep on Oct 13, 2010 1:13 PM CDT reply actions  

welp, folks

You heard what the man said.

Ceci n'est pas un blogue.

by Adam Jacobi on Oct 13, 2010 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just the head coaches

or all of them?

It never gets to be easy

by chitownhawkeye on Oct 13, 2010 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

We'll start with the head coaches for now, and go from there.

I’m pretty indiscriminate though. Pretty much anything beyond “Video Coordinator” would be fair game. I.e., its your lucky day, Matt Englebert!

by Bucketochicken on Oct 13, 2010 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Stalin approves

And such a strategy worked wonders in the Russo-Finnish War.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Oct 13, 2010 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

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