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BlogpLOL Week Six: Boise State Reaches Critical Mass

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It's time for the argument to begin.  Their schedule really sucks.  They've only played one legitimate team.  Sure they've steamrolled their inferior opposition, but at the end of the day, don't you have to go with a team who has a little more meat on their slate?  It's an argument we have heard against Boise State for five years, so then why all the love for this year's cupcake killers, the Ducks of Oregon?

In performance, they are nearly identical: Boise State has an average margin of victory of 32.6, Oregon 38.0; only TCU, Utah, and Ohio State are even in the same vicinity of BSU and UO for pure point spread dominance.  But, shockingly for a team from the WAC, the Broncos have played a far stronger schedule, 13-15 (.464) versus Oregon's 13-25 (.342).  In fact, of the undefeateds, only Utah and Nevada have played a schedule as bad or worse than the Ducks.  

When you take a deeper look at Oregon's schedule, it's even worse than the raw data would make it appear.  If you take out Oregon's one win over a top 25 team, their admittedly stellar victory over Stanford, the Ducks' five opponents have won a combined eight games, and six of those eight wins are against I-AA opposition.  Those five teams are 2-23 against I-A teams, a level of futility that doesn't just make Oregon's schedule the worst of the contenders, but places it high in the running for worst nationwide.  It's only the Stanford win that lends Oregon even a shred of credibility, that gives them the top 5 rating they now hold.

Contrast that with the much maligned Broncos, who have dispatched of 4-2 Virginia Tech (BlogpLOL #21) and 3-2 Oregon State (BlogpLOL #22 after last week's win over previously unbeaten Arizona).  They also hold a blowout victory over 3-3 Toledo, and nothing on their calendar approaches the buffet of crap that Oregon's faced; even their worst opponent, New Mexico State, dispatched of Oregon sacrificial lamb New Mexico over the weekend.

Where Boise and Oregon differ is in what is still to come: The Ducks will have to knock off USC, Cal, Arizona, and Oregon State -- all currently ranked or in contention -- if they are to cross the finish line unscathed.  If Oregon pulls off that feat, they'll certainly pass Boise State and likely every other team.  But future games and guesses as to how Oregon will finish don't matter.  What they've done so far is all we measure, and so far, the Ducks haven't done anything that would make them worthy of the number one spot.

Star-divide

Sandwiched between Boise and Oregon are the new kings of the South, Gene Chizik's Auburn Tigers.  Buoyed by an 18-16 schedule and holders of the newly-minted highest-rated win in the nation (their 35-27 victory over South Carolina), as well as a victory over 4-2 Mississippi State (BlogpLOL #26), War Eagle ekes past Oregon, TCU, and LSU into the runner-up position.  With back-to-back games against Arkansas and LSU to come, should Auburn survive the next two weeks, the top spot is almost certainly theirs.  The other SEC Tigers, the aforementioned Bayou Bengals of LSU, are the only undefeated team with wins over four team in or dangerously near the poll: Florida (#20), Mississippi State (#26), West Virginia (#29), and North Carolina (#31).  That would be enough to catapult them into contention if they weren't winning every game by a field goal.


There are limits to reason, never more so than in the polls.  Head-to-head results matter until the weight of evidence to the contrary; you can't keep placing a 2-6 team above the 7-1 team it defeated four weeks ago.  Unfortunately, many voters -- AP, Coaches, and Blogpollers -- have given up on the on-field evidence far too early.  Take, for instance, my Iowa Hawkeyes.  I have yet to see a Blogpoll ballot this week that places the Hawkeyes behind Arizona, a team that defeated Iowa three weeks ago but had the misfortune of losing to Oregon State over the weekend.  There's no transitive circle of death in play here, either: 3-2 Oregon State can be placed safely ahead of the Wildcats and behind its two vanquishers, TCU and Boise, without problem.  Arizona can be placed behind Oregon State and ahead of Iowa.  And Iowa, whose strength of schedule was crippled when all five of its opponents to date were beaten last week, can take the requisite slide to the bottom of the charts.  This isn't the only circumstance.  South Carolina, who -- I don't know if you heard about this -- beat Alabama by two touchdowns Saturday is nevertheless behind the Crimson Tide in virtually every poll I've seen.  I'm not knocking "power pollsters" who prognosticate the remainder of the schedule, even if I think their methodology is clearly flawed.  But the results on the scoreboard have to count for something.  Right now, that isn't the case in the vast majority of ballots, Blogpoll or otherwise.

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Media conspiracy against the Hawkeyes! No matter what Iowa does, jerks like you will find a way to shaft IOWA.

"But then again I’d second guess anything a clown like me says anyway."

by ReadingRambler on Oct 13, 2010 10:47 AM CDT reply actions  

Oh, and Stephen Garcia.

I want to cut off his hippie hair and laugh while he cries and “Okie from Muskogee” plays in the background.

"But then again I’d second guess anything a clown like me says anyway."

by ReadingRambler on Oct 13, 2010 10:47 AM CDT reply actions  

He's like Brooks Bollinger.

He’s never actually going to graduate, is he?

"But then again I’d second guess anything a clown like me says anyway."

by ReadingRambler on Oct 13, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hey RR, who are you talking to?

Oh.. just you in here.. *backs out slowly and closes door.

"If you're easily offended, we thank you for stopping by but ask that you turn your browser elsewhere." -- BHGP Disclaimer

by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Oct 13, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is nothing.

Some Alabama guy once started a thread at BSD that quickly degenerated into madness. In the end, someone challenged me to get the thread over 1000 comments so I did so by quoting MST3k and playing the general’s alphabet game by myself.

I’m pretty sure Adam would ban me if I ever tried that here though.

"But then again I’d second guess anything a clown like me says anyway."

by ReadingRambler on Oct 13, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah posting just to post

is frowned upon around here.

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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Oct 13, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

And you were shut down then, too.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Oct 13, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm shocked that nobody has gone with "Okeyholic" for a name around here.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Oct 13, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

They will now.

Still not as good as Gary Dolphin-Free Tuna, but whatever.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Oct 13, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Please.

You encouraged me too, Kyle.

"But then again I’d second guess anything a clown like me says anyway."

by ReadingRambler on Oct 13, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I'm not sure how that thread isn't just known as The Epic Thread...

…everyone on the tubez should know about that by now.
I guess everyone’s too busy searching for Justin Beeber or Miley Cyrus crotch pics or something.

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Oct 13, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought for a second you were talking about Brook Berringer never graduating.

And that would be awful of you.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Oct 13, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

TOO SOON

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Oct 13, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry

Nothing for him, but limo lemme go find my Vladimir Konstantinov jokes, they’ll paralyze you with laughter.

by Yinka Double Dare on Oct 13, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Unrelated.

Drunk Gary Moeller translation:

notsing fer him, buttttttt…. led mike go find msy vladiddd duh mir kon….on…..kon….st…..kon….inov jokes, sthey’ll paralyze uyo ktiwh laughter.

"But then again I’d second guess anything a clown like me says anyway."

by ReadingRambler on Oct 13, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sounds like he's still pissed

Moeller lost his state championship belt for coach drinking excellence a few years ago to Joe Cullen. That had to hurt. But really, how do you top getting arrested for going through a Wendy’s drive-thru naked? That’s just god-given talent that can’t be stopped.

by Yinka Double Dare on Oct 13, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Georgia’s ex-AD would like a word with you.

by txhawkeye on Oct 13, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

C'mon, Wendy's drive-thru naked?

That’s what I call a slow Tuesday afternoon.

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Oct 14, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

The team that seems most reliable to me, in terms of ranking is

LSU. How they are not #1 is kind of a mystery to me.

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Oct 13, 2010 11:31 AM CDT reply actions  

Because they keep escaping with a tiny MOV.

They probably just need to win a game, or two, by a decent margin to take over.

by The Mexican't on Oct 13, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Tiny MOV. hahahahaha. Is that what Les calls his weiner?

by txhawkeye on Oct 13, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

It isn't called Less Les?

"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me

by BStylin Hawkye on Oct 13, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, the true measure of greatness

is winning even when you are brain farting. This team is greatness people.

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Oct 13, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

SMA... This place seems a little, erm, slow

how bout posting the Top Ten or Bring Out Your Fears to get BHGP fired up? C’mon, you know you want to and I’m dying some laughs today.

If I wanted a signature line, I would have asked for one... /facepalm

by hawkeye_heartattack on Oct 13, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

It says RossWB is the editor.

How about that?

"But then again I’d second guess anything a clown like me says anyway."

by ReadingRambler on Oct 13, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I often wonder if Miles just thinks he's playing a really cool video game...

…because he doesn’t seem to realize that millions of dollars are on the line evey time his team takes the field (no caution OR urgency).

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Oct 13, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or just ridicule me...

Either way, I’ll feel loved.

If I wanted a signature line, I would have asked for one... /facepalm

by hawkeye_heartattack on Oct 13, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

How about a joke

Did you hear RichRod is only dressing 7 players for the game Saturday?
The rest have to dress themselves.

It’s all I have on short notice.

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Oct 13, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don't understand Virginia Tech being ranked

2 losses, again, one of them to a 1AA team, their signature win is NC State.
Then again, I suppose the only thing propping Cal up is their win over UCLA.
Ah, I should know better than to question the algorithm. Carry on

It never gets to be easy

by chitownhawkeye on Oct 13, 2010 12:58 PM CDT reply actions  

This is why I love computer rankings

No bias. No “looking ahead”. Just facts, results and numbers. You get some wierd stuff along the way but that just adds to the fun.

This is one of my favorite sites.

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Oct 13, 2010 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's a legitimate question

and I took a long look at them before they stayed in. But the fact is that they played #1 to within a field goal, they handed NC State their only loss (I just noticed that internal inconsistency; my apologies), and their schedule is again among the best in the country. Even James Madison is solid for a I-AA.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Oct 13, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mr Vint/State

have you ever addressed what you will do if/when you get to the transitive circle of death? especially in conference games among ranked teams, it’s pretty much inevitable.

I appreciate your desire for internal consistency, but let’s say Mich beats IA, IA beats Mich St, Mich St as we know beat Mich. assume all three have enough quality wins by mid-November to be deserving of Blogpoll ranking. How do you reconcile?

by everloyal on Oct 13, 2010 3:19 PM CDT reply actions  

All bets are then off

Transitive circle of death ends all moves towards internal consistency, so then it becomes a pure resume ranking once again.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Oct 13, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Follow up please. This is the first week I’ve paid attention to the overall BlogPoll results. How does it feel to be sweeping the major awards that matter?

by txhawkeye on Oct 13, 2010 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Par for the course

I’m actually going to ask Brian to keep me out of those next year. It would make him feel better, too.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Oct 14, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

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