Michigan State Falls Asleep With 10 Minutes Left, Still Beats Iowa 70-63
True story: at a few minutes before 7 p.m., MSU was beating Iowa so handily that I ceded control of the living room TV to the girlfriend* so that she could watch American Idol. Hey, who could blame me? MSU was up by 19 and tossing alley-oops just to impress Gus Johnson, while Iowa had all the positive body language of the Undertaker. Sure, the Hawkeyes pulled out a stunner 17 years ago, but this isn't that team. At all.
So about 10-15 minutes into the episode**, HS alerts me to the fact that it's a 7-point game all of a sudden. Then it's 6. Then 4. Okay, TV's coming back on, and I get to see just enough to make me hate this team all over again. Still, pushing the game to one possession with under two minutes left is no small feat. Moral victory? Sure thing, because buddy, when you're 1-5 in the conference, grandstanding about "not accepting moral victories" needs to go straight out the window. Take what you can get.
Of course, while it's cool that Iowa shot its way back into a game--not unlike what they did with Purdue and Minnesota, or even MSU last season--it's also worth pointing out that this isn't exactly an isolated incident for MSU either. Here's what Michigan State had to say about it:
"I'm used to our great teams playing with incredible emotion," [head coach Tom] Izzo said. "This team is not quite like that right now. ... I'm not happy with tonight's performance. I'm not happy with where we are."
"I'm starting to get concerned," said Michigan State's Draymond Green, who had 11 rebounds and nine points. "We play six of our next eight on the road. ... If we play like that, we're going to lose."
Fun! Also, TOC want to gouge their own eyes out, and their team even won.
But anyway. Enough about my television. Nobody cares about my television. Final score--as seen above--was 70-63, bad guys. Iowa's stats seemed decent enough--once again, MSU committed more turnovers (15) than the good guys (14)--but Iowa's effectively doomed them in Michigan State's 21-2 first half run. Every time we looked up, someone for MSU was leaping into a passing lane or Matt Gatens was trying to injure fans in the 10th row with an errant pass. For whatever reason, Gatens was off, off, off tonight, committing six turnovers and hitting just three of his last 12 shots.
Depth continued to be a weakness; three bench points off nine shots and 42 game minutes, for example, is an awful burden to put on your starters in any game, much less at the Breslin Center. John Lickliter hoisted five threes; all of them clanked harmlessly off the rim. Devan Bawinkel did nothing. Andrew Brommer did nothing. Oh, and Brennan Cougill played 12 minutes, for which the Sioux City Journal will doubtlessly take credit. The real reason, though, is the same reason why he got 21 minutes the last time Iowa played MSU: foul trouble on the inside. This time, it was Jarryd Cole (who had unexpected flashes of competence) who could only spend 25 minutes on the court while racking up four fouls. That's Cougill's role on the team this season, obviously. Well, we shouldn't say "obviously," since nobody at the SCJ has figured that out yet.
As for what's next, it's likely Iowa's only shot at a road victory this season--they face Indiana on Sunday afternoon at 4. It was going to be 3, but then the whole Colts-Jets thing is going on, and really, what's an hour here or there when there's two lousy college basketball teams at play? And while Colts-Jets is the one playoff game that will directly impact the Iowa-IU game, we're more interested in that night's game between New Orleans and Minnesota, if only because we're not really sure which game--that or Iowa-IU--will feature more scoring. Seriously, there's no telling.
*Okay, fine, I admit it; she's inflatable. it's like a Lars and the Real Doll thing, except it's not quirky and touching... just disturbing.
**Quick recap: pretty girl sings good! Ugly guy sings bad! Fat girl sings bad and gets laughed at! Guy with inspirational story sings good! More pretty girls sing good! Lots of dumb guys sing bad! Point and laugh at the uggos! The end.
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Am I the only one who is beomcing more and more convinced
that Aaron Fuller is breaking out, and thus is going to transfer back to Arizona?
"Last year we just self-destructed ... We had possessions [this game]. We just couldn’t get anything going." Paul Johnson on Georgia Tech's loss to Iowa in the Orange Bowl.
Yes on the first part.
I’m swilling some denial shakes on the second part, though.
Big junkies come from little junkies.
Matt Gatens would be a great role player or 6th man. When our “go to” guy can’t create off the dribble or jump at all our program is in trouble.
by endo4weeks on Jan 21, 2010 7:43 AM CST via mobile reply actions
"Can't create off the dribble"
Agreed, at one point in the PSU game the announcer mentioned we had 15 assists off 20 baskets. He mentioned it as a positive but it seems to indicate we have no one that can take their man one on one. This might go a long way in explaining the offensive game plan of pass until 5 seconds left on the shot clock and throw up a desperation three.
"Well of course, there's nothing better than being American!!!" - Ricky Americanzi, Jan. 5th, 2010
by The Bacon Explosion on Jan 21, 2010 7:50 AM CST up reply actions
I was at class, and didn't see any of the game (got home about 5 minutes after it got over).
Sounds like it was a decent awful 20 minute second half. I’m sorry I missed it. I’m glad I missed it. I’m ambivalent that I missed it. I had a baked potato and soup for dinner.
MORE ZAZZ! I DEMAND MORE ZAZZ!
Take the GAMBLE Barta!!!!
Give Lickliter one more year ?(The University will give him a mulligan this year because of his heath scare earlier in the season.) What about Kevin Gamble as our coach? Iowa guy, could probably recruit better players and could run an offense that could be competitive in the B10.
Does Gamble have the experience though?
What the hell am I saying? We’ve had experience and look what that’s gotten us.
Who's leg do I have to hump to get a drink around here?-Brian
Summary of Iowa Basketball...
First Quarter:
First five minutes: Iowa goes down 10-2.
Next five minutes: Iowa fights back, gets within 5.
Next five minutes: Iowa goes on three minute scoring drought, allowing the other team to go up by double digits.
Final five minutes: I’ve seen this go either way, either Iowa fights back to get close, or Iowa kind of lays down to die.
Second Quarter:
First minutes: Iowa opens up with 7-8 minute scoring drought, putting game completely out of reach.
Next ten minutes: Opposing team literally falls asleep deciding that brickbreaker on their Blackberry is more interesting.
Final minutes: Falling asleep allows Iowa to score, but not enough to actually ever win a game.
Result: A deceivingly close score. No loss ever higher than 11-13 points, although it was clear that the other team didn’t even get complacent towards the end of the game but actually found that macking cheerleaders was more important.
Every. Single. Game.
Okay, I'm a homer, but still...
…that was a heck of a game. The Hawks looked aweful at times, but we were able to battle back into it when MSU whiffed on their kill shot. We were ice cold from the field, and the refs were doing their best Stevie Wonder letting MSU play, but the turning point came in the second half. After quite a few showboat plays (despite what they said in the postgame, MSU was playing with emotion), and a scoring drought from us, Izzo called a timeout. I can only assume that in that timeout he told his players to “Finish Him Them” (yeah, he’s the Megatron of douchebags) because they came out and started jacking up 3s trying to run up the score (they already had around a 20 point lead). That’s when they started missing shots and the Hawks (who never quit) started to claw their way back into it (despite the baseline ref taking a nap and/or holding his hands out to the sides as if to say “I have no idea what I’m doing, or what this sport even IS.”).
My biggest issue was when CPayne threw his second or third Kingsbury 3-pointer with time on the shot clock. It was long, MSU scored 2 points on the other end… game, set, match. If it went in I think we win that game. If we move it around and get 2 points I think we had a shot at it. If we weren’t ice cold for so long we have a shot to win. But that’s basketball. I’m impressed we stuck around, battled, showed we have something- – yes, I’m a homer, but we seem to be putting it together (we’ll see what happens next game though).
On the Gatens note… Lick has GOT to use him more effectively. Early in the game he was driving and getting contact, then he just quit driving. It would be nice to see him try this when we go on a scoreless streak. Late in the game we have to get him the ball and get him to the free throw line.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jan 21, 2010 8:56 AM CST reply actions
What killed me about this
Was that I was late getting home, so I DVR’d the game in advance. Before I started watching I caught a split second of the game to see the score at 19-24, MSU. Not bad, I thought. Then I see Iowa get a 19-14 lead (or was it bigger?) and know that I’m going to watch an epic collapse. That’s painful. Little did I know how big the collapse would be.
Nevertheless, there’s some fight to this team. I like that.
I guess I'm surprised with the negativity on this one
Even the most skeptical fan has to admit that there’s been marked improvement over the last 1-2 weeks. You saw for a portion of this game (both at the beginning and the end… I’m ignoring the middle) the Lickliter “system” as it is supposed to work. Not only was it effective, but it also wasn’t the boring bull shit that everyone complains about.
We’re not there yet. We aren’t close. But we’re definitely moving in the right direction. I’ll admit that the comeback was due in large part to MSU letting up, but that’s MSU! You play this way or slightly better against Indiana, Northwestern, Penn State, and Michigan, you’re going to win some basketball games.
The talent will be vastly improved next year. We won’t be forced into double digit minutes from Lil’ John, and the Bawinkle experience will be over.
I’m not saying Lick will get it done here, but I am saying that I feel a lot more confident that he can than I did a couple weeks ago
by Wegher Please! on Jan 21, 2010 10:12 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Nice change from the Alford years
Watching no improvement whatsoever for an entire season was like having a dagger in your side and feeling Stevie Boy twist it just a little more every game. How a team can play at the same level all season I will never understand but somehow, someway Alford could do this year in and year out.
There is no doubt the improvement seen in the last couple of weeks is directly related to Fuller’s new found health. Reducing minutes for people who have little business playing this year, sorry SCJ, and providing much needed scoring, rebounding and leadership.
Things are looking up, moving in the right direction at the very least.
"Well of course, there's nothing better than being American!!!" - Ricky Americanzi, Jan. 5th, 2010
by The Bacon Explosion on Jan 21, 2010 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
I caught the last 10 minutes last night.
The boys stepped up their D finishing out the game. MSU only had 2 times they were able to get a drive started into the lane, and we collapsed down to stop them.
As for Lil’ John, I would take him anyday of Bullwinkle. The boy shows he plays with heart and isn’t afraid to get in the other guys face instead of standing in the corner.
These guys are on the right track, and slowly getting better.
"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me
by BStylin Hawkye on Jan 21, 2010 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
Agreed on Lil John
I’ve definitely given him my fair share of criticism, but after watching the majority of that game last night, my opinions of him have changed. That dude is always hustling and going full speed at everything, and there is a lot to be said for that. I guarantee he gives that sort of effort every day in practice to, thus making everyone better each day for having to deal with that sort of standard.
It's not that I'm lazy, Bob, it's that I just don't care
Early in the season someone on here... me-thinks Stoops...
…said that the measure of this season should be “are they better than two weeks ago” and this game gave us a direct answer. The difference between the first MSU “game” and the one 11 days later was measureable and distinct.
It’s still too small of a sample set to tell for sure, but I think we’re moving in the right direction. A couple different bounces of the ball (or if the refs use their whistles) and we probably knock off the #7 team in the nation. That’s improvement.
And I agree that if we keep playing this way we beat a jNW or Michigan.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jan 21, 2010 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
And I disagree that MSU let up...
…tempo changes in basketball very quickly, and MSU was rolling, but like I said above… Izzo went for the rub-it-in and make-it-hurt (show-em-just-how-good-we-are) kill shot.
MSU came out of their timeout, up by 18 or 20 (ish) and instead of continuing to run the Hawks and get easy transition points they started shooting 3s (completely unnecessary). They started missing, and the momentum went back to the Hawks who just kept trying. By the time the Hawks crept back into it MSU was completely cold.
Plain and simple, if their coach wasn’t such a self-involved, self-congratulatory dick head he would have let his team (who are just like their coach) just continue to throw ally-oops. But he wanted to rub our noses in it and put up big numbers, and it almost backfired.
For the last ten minutes I was hoping and praying that we’d come back and win it with a last second shot, just to tear their hearts out twice in one year, in two different sports (but then I realized we don’t have a player with #7 on his basketball jersey- – damn).
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jan 21, 2010 3:52 PM CST up reply actions
Strong disagreement here
Izzo went for the rub-it-in and make-it-hurt (show-em-just-how-good-we-are) kill shot.
MSU came out of their timeout, up by 18 or 20 (ish) and instead of continuing to run the Hawks and get easy transition points they started shooting 3s (completely unnecessary).
That seems far more like the players letting their foot off the gas pedal and not wanting to work as hard than Izzo changing his strategy. And I’ll bet you anything that Izzo’s biggest complaint about those last few minutes was his team’s shot selection.
I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks
I guess I can't say for certain it was Izzo...
…but he was acting very supportive of his team when they came out of the TO and on three possessions took four 3 pointers in a row. If my argument IS true, I’d say the poor shot selection was a result of going cold after failing to put the Hawks away (momentum and the psychological game are in full effect in college).
Either way, I think the Hawks earned some “moral victory” praise. I really don’t think that was just all MSU turning into the polar opposite of the Globetrotter-style dominant team they had been for the first 25 minutes. The Hawks deserve some credit (whoa whoa, wait… not too much credit now, it was still a loss).
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jan 22, 2010 2:10 AM CST up reply actions
Alfords teams would collapse at the end of the year not stay the same.
At least till the Big XI tournament came. I do see improvement form this team though. Fuller being healthy is a big part of this so idc if it causes some1else less playing time.
I think all newspapers show some favortism towards local kids. QC times always has interviews and recap on how the local kids did. they dont really complain if a local kid isnt playin enough but they do talk a lot about them.
"I believe I have the total package of speed, strength, and explosion," Adrian F@#kin Clayborn
by DportROTCHawki on Jan 21, 2010 11:43 AM CST reply actions

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