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Iowa and Alabama in the BCS Title Game? Hey, Why Not?

Hawkeye Nation brings us this set of predictions from a FoxSports.com correspondent. They're unusually dismal predicting 7 Iowa losses and--okay, you don't believe us, you saw the headline, fine. Good things, man, good things:

4. Iowa -- Many folks, including myself, wrote off Iowa’s 9-0 start to the 2009 season to some lucky bounces, fortunate turnovers, and inferior Big Ten conference play. After seeing the Hawkeyes dismantle and destroy the high powered Georgia Tech offense in the Orange Bowl, I realized it’s time to stop hating on the Hawkeyes. This was a damn good team and should be an even better team in '10.

Hooray! Do go on, sir:

Returning Stars: QB Ricky Stanzi, DE Adrian Clayborn, WR Marvin McNutt
Key 2010 Out of Conference Game: Sept. 18 at Arizona
Best Case 2010 Scenario: Clutch quarterback Ricky Stanzi emerges as a Heisman contender in his senior season, guiding the Hawkeyes offense to a flawless season with wins in Iowa City over Penn State, Wisconsin, Michigan State, and Ohio State. After holding court in those four home games, the Hawkeyes earn the respect of the voters and qualify for their first BCS title game.
Worst Case 2010 Scenario: Stanzi struggles to stay healthy, the offense falters without Bryan Bulaga manning the left tackle spot, and the defense can’t live up to expectations without Pat Angerer manning the middle. Iowa loses to Penn State at home early in the season, then falls to Wisconsin and Ohio State in Iowa City later on.

Feh. We know worst case scenarios in Iowa City, and they generally involve way more than three losses. I mean, I don't even see any felonies on there. Sir, do you know how bad it gets here? Because it can get very, very bad.

But we digress. The main crux of this article here is the prediction for the BCS Bowl Games. Again, you've read the headline, so you know where we're going with this, but just so you know we're not full of shit:

"Way Too Early" BCS Bowl Projections:

National Title Game: Alabama vs. Iowa
Rose Bowl: Ohio State vs. Oregon
Sugar Bowl: Florida vs. Nebraska
Fiesta Bowl: Boise State vs. Texas
Orange Bowl: Pittsburgh vs. North Carolina

Holy shit you guys... PITT VS. UNC! Err, I mean, Bama-Iowa for the title! Although there are some serious questions surrounding the team--there aren't many title participants who have to replace 4 out of 5 offensive linemen, for example--but it would sure be nice if Iowa put together a great season and had the preseason ranking to take full advantage of it. This would appear to be such a scenario.

Further, many Iowa fans are wary of high preseason rankings--the 2005 horror, for example, comes to mind--but we're way past that at this point. Iowa's going to be in the top 10. It sure would be cool if they took advantage of it.

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Quick issue with the bowl projections.

Not Iowa’s, mind you, but rather Ohio State. IIRC, and if Bama Hawkeye is to be trusted, then the Rose Bowl will be forced to choose the non-AQ school to replace the BigTen champ if the champion is selected for the BCS title game. Thus, OSU would be ousted from Pasadena and would have to be selected as an at-large, non-Rose Bowl game. I am not entirely sure what the selection order is, but I’d imagine that an at-large OSU team would likely be the first off the board. The inevitable Oregon-Boise rematch at the Rose Bowl will be hilarious.

by The Mexican't on Jan 19, 2010 10:02 PM CST reply actions  

I am to be trusted

Boise would be in Pasadena.

http://www.rivalryesq.com/

"Bama Hawkeye, you know, the Iowa blogger who actually uses reason and analysis." - Hawkeye State

by Bama Hawkeye on Jan 19, 2010 10:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Boise will NOT be in a BCS game

Why? Say hello to Va. Tech. on the road. A one loss Boise with a schedule of cream puff WAC teams and Oregon St. at home ain’t gonna get it done. Good bye. Not to mention, I could see Va. Tech killing that QB unless he gets on a serious weight program. We all saw what a fraud TCU and Oregon ended up being. They play with flags, those two teams.

"Last year we just self-destructed ... We had possessions [this game]. We just couldn’t get anything going." Paul Johnson on Georgia Tech's loss to Iowa in the Orange Bowl.

by StoopsMyAss on Jan 19, 2010 11:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I dunno

A one-loss BSU might sneak into the top 16, which (assuming the ACC and/or Big East revert to the norm of sending somebody awful to the BCS) means they get in. (Unless a MWC team is ranked higher, which is possible.)

In any case, the projections given did have BSU in a BCS game. By rule, that pretty much has to be the Rose Bowl.

by SpartanDan on Jan 20, 2010 12:15 AM CST up reply actions  

The computer will destroy them.

I see two big ten teams in the BCs and two SEC. As for the non-AQ I see a MWC before Boise. I actually think they lose to Oregon State at home too. I was so disappointed with them in that TCU game. They looked totally bush league to me. No size. No speed. Well coached, but that’s it. TCU was the same but poorly coached, at least in terms of game plan.

"Last year we just self-destructed ... We had possessions [this game]. We just couldn’t get anything going." Paul Johnson on Georgia Tech's loss to Iowa in the Orange Bowl.

by StoopsMyAss on Jan 20, 2010 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

I was at the Fiesta Bowl. I have seldom been so disappointed and on the other hand happy to go to a game. Absolutely awful performance by both teams. VA Tech will bring the heat and I wouldn’t put it past Beamer to pull a few tricks of his own. Better yet, IF I’m right and VA Tech is superior, I think they might grind it in a bit to prove a point.

by Mr. Grizz on Jan 20, 2010 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Which just means

That the VA Tech over-hype machine will go into high gear. And it will take at least 2 losses before they drop out of the national title discussion.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Jan 20, 2010 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Only one problem

If you look at Va Tech they will have a few games against someone they are suppose to beat (see anyone but top three from ACC), one good game as underdogs (Miami), and two games where they should be competitive but completely fall apart and loose (UNC and GT this year, ECU last).

As a person who lives in VA and gets Tech forced down their throat 11.5 months a year they have multiple personality disorder as a team. If they bring their A game they can beat almost anyone but no one knows when the A game is going to show up.

"Well of course, there's nothing better than being American!!!" - Ricky Americanzi, Jan. 5th, 2010

by The Bacon Explosion on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Didn't see this before I posted mine above

But A-fucking-MEN! The worst part of living in Richmond, VA during this downtime in college football is having to hear all about how “next year” will be the year Tech puts it all together. Don’t forget, Bud Foster is an unparalleled genius (even more so than Paul Johnson!!) plus BEAMER BALL!!!!!

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Jan 20, 2010 4:49 PM CST up reply actions  

You mean the fact that Ukrop’s was sold isn’t the worst thing about living in Richmond? It ranks right up there with Tech getting beat by UVA to the locals.

"Well of course, there's nothing better than being American!!!" - Ricky Americanzi, Jan. 5th, 2010

by The Bacon Explosion on Jan 21, 2010 7:30 AM CST up reply actions  

It's a close second

But my favorite thing about Ukrop’s – White House Rolls – is going to be continued on, they’re opening up some separate bakery/specialty food stores so I’ll still be able to get them. But yes, it is treated like the end of the world around here.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Jan 21, 2010 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I dunno about that

Look, not to discredit you guys—you had a hell of a run last year, but you have a lot of rebuilding on the offensive line, and that can kill a team (see: Penn State, 2009) a lot more than you were expecting. And can you really tell me you feel comfortable that there won’t be any big-time Stanziballs this year? I think you’re defense will again be dominant, but you’ll struggle offensively. 10 wins, probably. BCS an outside shot.

NittanyWhiteOut.com. Arguably the second best Penn State blog I know of.

by PSUdevon on Jan 19, 2010 10:16 PM CST reply actions  

Hey, I'm not saying it'll happen either

But it’d be awfully cool if it happened for once. That’s all.

I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks

by Adam Jacobi on Jan 19, 2010 10:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Next year

Much as rebuilding an O-line is a MAJOR “if” for any team, I would note for the record that recruiting and developing large, sweaty, guys who put the “offensive” in “offensive lineman” is this coaching staff’s stock in trade.

Compared to other programs, I’d give Ferentz and Co. better than average odds at rebuilding an O-line quickly enough to be competitive by the start of conference play.

by MotorHawk on Jan 19, 2010 10:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Also....

I think the O-line going up against a D-line that is arguably the best in the nation day in and day out will help them out tremendously. I am not overly concerned with the line seeing that this is Ferentz bread and butter. What I am concerned about is the preseason hype, it just seems to me that we play the underdog role with no RESPECT to perfection. But once we get a lil’ preseason publicity we seem to fall flat on our face, a la 2005. Though “it would sure be pretty cool” is so true, that might be a slight understatement!!!

by RonMaDon on Jan 20, 2010 8:21 AM CST up reply actions  

I'll refer you back to Mr. Stanzi...

…who when asked about presure to perform said something to the effect of “Pffffftttttt… whatever. No matter what happens I’m still an American, so whatever.” (or something like that)

The team may not be the issue this year, but our fan base certainly doesn’t deal with hype well. Me-thinks an open letter to the mouth breathing posters over at Scout/Rivals is in order. We may need to spend the off season talking people down. Kinnick is no fun when everyone is wound tighter than a drum (see: the second half of the UNI game), and that’s what happens when everyone thinks we are “supposed” to win. The team feeds off the energy of the crowd (at least to an extent), and that’s not the kind of mojo we need to bring on Saturdays. Good vibes people, good vibes… and let the team take care of the rest (The Ameristanzi has a knack for leading this team no matter the circumstances).
It’s a funny sport, and I’ll be happy if we just win the Big Ten with 9 or more wins- – anything else is just cake.

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jan 20, 2010 8:49 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Smart, smart approach

Big Ten Championship should be the only goal our fanbases even talk about. Spewing about national perception just perpetuates the tripey aspects of our favorite sport. It gives the puppeteers the sense that, as our erstwhile Surprisington said, ‘the controversy means it’s working.’

Focus on Goliath. Ready your stones, and take down brutus.

"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess

by jtothep on Jan 20, 2010 9:34 AM CST up reply actions  

If we falter it will not be because of Stanzi

I am sure of that. No QB in the Big Ten can touch his resume. He’s beaten more Top 10 teams than any starting QB in the nation next year. He has won as a dog, a favorite at home and on the road. He is the reason we win. Period. If we lose it is because we can’t stop the run. The offensive line will be a work in progress but our skill set and Stanzi will make them look better than they are. As for the PSU comparison this year. Your QB is not as good as Stanzi will be, your RB was okay and our receivers will be much better than yours were. At the end of the day, our O-line played only okay THIS year. It will be a wash next year IMO.

"Last year we just self-destructed ... We had possessions [this game]. We just couldn’t get anything going." Paul Johnson on Georgia Tech's loss to Iowa in the Orange Bowl.

by StoopsMyAss on Jan 19, 2010 11:13 PM CST up reply actions  

In a nutshell...yes.

as is the case with most QBs really. A great QB can mask many offensive flaws and a flawed QB can render moot a skilled offense.

"Last year we just self-destructed ... We had possessions [this game]. We just couldn’t get anything going." Paul Johnson on Georgia Tech's loss to Iowa in the Orange Bowl.

by StoopsMyAss on Jan 20, 2010 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, people keep talking about an O-Line drop off...

…but they fail to recognise that we did what we did this year without a cohesive O-Line, so it would have to be a terrible line next year for any drop off.

Also, I think next year we go back to great run defense and pretty good passing D, which should be a little better suited for Big Ten play.

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jan 20, 2010 8:11 AM CST up reply actions  

our 2-time all Big 10 QB

who broke virtually every Penn State passing record, and had a very good TD:INT ratio isn’t as good as Stanzi will be next year? That’ll be a heckuva improvement (unless you were talking about Penn State’s starting QB for next year?)

by The JuggerNitt on Jan 20, 2010 1:34 PM CST up reply actions  

When Stanzi beats jNW, his arch enemy

yes, unquestionably. DC couldn’t beat Iowa. Would you please list the Top 10 teams Clarke defeated? He is was a heck of a ball player but against top 10 teams he doesn’t stand up.

"Well of course, there's nothing better than being American!!!" - Ricky Americanzi, Jan. 5th, 2010

by The Bacon Explosion on Jan 20, 2010 2:07 PM CST up reply actions  

DC couldn't beat Iowa?

I don’t count 2008. That seems arbitary, but he was concussed and obviously shouldn’t have been playing. As evidenced by the coaching staff protecting him with Williams. This year, he did play very poorly. But he had no help from his receivers and the offensive line. He certainly didn’t lose the game.

Top 10 teams? We lost to USC because the secondary was terrible. Clark had nothing to do with it. We beat Ohio State in 2008 and we would have won with him as well. Clark has played but three teams that ended up in the top 10, and he played to the detriment of his team in only one of those games.

by ReadingRambler on Jan 20, 2010 2:35 PM CST up reply actions  

And I should add:

Clark played really well against USC and their “possibly greatest defense of all time”. Our offensive line did an admirable job (Shipley kicked Maualuga into the stone age), but they still got a lot of pressure, and Clark handled it well. If Quarless doesn’t trip and they don’t catch that INT…arrrgh.

by ReadingRambler on Jan 20, 2010 2:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Quarterbacks get far too much credit for wins (Tebow) and take far too much blame for losses (Clarke) but it is the way things work. I have never heard of a center “taking their team on their backs and carrying them to victory” or a free safety “willing their team to a victory.”
Quarterbacks lead their teams and are the most closely tied to their overall record, impressive victories and embarrassing losses. Stanzi led teams have fared better against top 10 teams.

It is just a fact – a team that had DC as the starting quarterback never beat Iowa.

"Well of course, there's nothing better than being American!!!" - Ricky Americanzi, Jan. 5th, 2010

by The Bacon Explosion on Jan 20, 2010 3:13 PM CST up reply actions  

well, with loses

you can definitely place the blame on centers and safeties. I’m not saying Clark didn’t play poorly in the two Iowa games (and also agree somewhat with Rambler’s “that wasn’t the real Clark” statement), but in the 2009 game you would have a very hard time convincing me that Stanzi played better than Clark did. They both completed less than 50%, and both had 2 more INTs than they did TDs.

And there’s still the whole “replacing the offensive line” that Clark went through this year, and Stanzi will go through next year.

by The JuggerNitt on Jan 20, 2010 6:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think Stanzi played that well, but the INT stat is a little misleading.

One of them was a well-thrown ball that was dropped and kicked into the air by the Iowa receiver (Sandeman, I think). I think the other was also tipped, but I’m not positive.

On the other hand, Clark completely fucking melted down in the second half of that game. Stanzi was bad; Clark was hellacious. That game was not exactly a masterclass on QB play.

Big junkies come from little junkies.

by RossWB on Jan 20, 2010 8:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm merely "predicting" that Stanzi will have a better senior year

than Clark had. And I am basing that on my expectation that he is more of a “carry your football team” kind of a QB which is far from hard science.

Clark went 22-4 in his career and Stanzi is 16-3 (I count only games these guys started and finished). So it seems as though Stanzi will likely end up with more wins, may have a better winning percentage. Has beaten already, more ranked teams. Stanzi has more fourth quarter comebacks already. Stanzi however has to improve his QB rating. He needs to radically drop the interceptions, keep the touchdowns where they were or improve slightly, and pass for more yards per game than he did this season. If he just replicates what he did this year (lots of wins, lots of game struggles) then I would be disappointed. So I am predicting he will improve as a QB rather substantially.

"Last year we just self-destructed ... We had possessions [this game]. We just couldn’t get anything going." Paul Johnson on Georgia Tech's loss to Iowa in the Orange Bowl.

by StoopsMyAss on Jan 21, 2010 6:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I see what you're saying and I very much hope you're right.

I think the potential is definitely there… I’m just nervous that the offensive line is going to hamper his effectiveness. If he’s running for his life too much, it’s going to be difficult for him to improve.

Big junkies come from little junkies.

by RossWB on Jan 21, 2010 8:35 AM CST up reply actions  

I think the one thing going for Iowa next year given the O-line concerns

people will have to respect the passing game. Ithink if teams load up the box next year they will be making a mistake and I think Stanzi saw enough of that this year that he can make teams pay with audibles. That part of the game should be amazing since everyone but the TE will be very experienced. Then, if teams play us balanced that give the line some relief. If Stanzi can be sharp in the first few games to send a message then that will really even things out and set us up for big offensive production. If not, if he comes out throwing out patterns that get picked or not using the dump off or not throwing the ball away (like Vandenberg did so well) then I expect teams to load up the box again.

"Last year we just self-destructed ... We had possessions [this game]. We just couldn’t get anything going." Paul Johnson on Georgia Tech's loss to Iowa in the Orange Bowl.

by StoopsMyAss on Jan 21, 2010 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

just to throw in the PSU correlation

but especially early in the season, everyone was stuffing the box on PSU trying to dominate the line, and were somewhat successful in stopping the run. It was like they were ignoring the pass, though, even while Clark was making them pay. Iowa was the first (and only joined by OSU) team to really get an effective pass rush, though, which speaks volumes to your guys’ defensive line, and it made Penn State pay.

by The JuggerNitt on Jan 21, 2010 3:17 PM CST up reply actions  

If I need a QB to beat some overmatched MAC team by 30, DC17 is my call.

If I need a QB to knock off a top 10 team or have a clutch fourth-quarter drive, I’m calling up the Ameristanzi.

Big junkies come from little junkies.

by RossWB on Jan 20, 2010 2:26 PM CST up reply actions  

"Clutch fourth-quarter drive"

LSU game, Ross. And also, since we beat Ohio State in 2008 by running it on every play but one, I’m sure Clark could have handled that too. But he’s still only been in two games where he’s had to do that and he’s 1-1.

And also, we’ve had this debate before on BSD, but take a team like Michigan. Stanzi actually gave Michigan the early lead on a silver platter. Clark on the other hand executed the game plan to perfection and we blew them out. Clark takes credit for blowing out MSU two years in a row and for covering the defense’s ass against Michigan in ’08

by ReadingRambler on Jan 20, 2010 2:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Put me in the “call it a tie” category, with Clark getting a slight nod with much better running and fewer stanziball skills, and Stanzi getting a slght nod with his heart attack inducing comebacks and Ws over highly ranked teams. Almost apples/oranges, considering the autistic OC.

by txhawkeye on Jan 20, 2010 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

LSU game, Ross.

Touche. Still, I’ll take Stanzi and his five game-winning drives in the fourth quarter (PSU 08, UNI 09, Indiana 09, MSU 09, Wisco 09). What he does in the first three quarters may drive me crazy, but I love him in the fourth quarter.

And also, since we beat Ohio State in 2008 by running it on every play but one, I’m sure Clark could have handled that too.

I dunno — that’s a bit like giving Stanzi credit for a game-winning drive against PSU in 2009. I think a QB should have to make a few clutch throws on a drive for it to really matter.

And also, we’ve had this debate before on BSD, but take a team like Michigan. Stanzi actually gave Michigan the early lead on a silver platter. Clark on the other hand executed the game plan to perfection and we blew them out.

I would have no problem saying Clark is a better QB earlier in the game and he’s far less prone to making idiotic mistakes and keeping inferior teams in the game — which is a plus for him.

Big junkies come from little junkies.

by RossWB on Jan 20, 2010 3:11 PM CST up reply actions  

definitely an apples to oranges comparison

and I’m in no way trying to say Stanzi is bad, but neither was Clark, and yet behind a green offensive line he faltered this year in 2 big games (against two teams that finished in the top 10).

And what top 10 teams did Stanzi really beat? And what do you define as “top 10”? Top 10 when you played? What if the team was just overrated? Top 10 at the end of the season (even if they weren’t top 10 when you DID play)? I see Stanzi beating Penn State twice, and I’ll even throw in GaTech. Clark beat OSU, but lost to Iowa and OSU this year, and lost to USC last year. Yes, Stanzi has the advantage, but I wouldn’t call that sample size significant enough (I could be forgetting games, though, but I’m not intentionally trying to skew the stats)

Then there’s the “how much did the QB factor into the win or loss”.
Clark 2008 OSU: didn’t really make any mistakes, but didn’t really do anything to win it.
Clark 2008 Iowa: shouldn’t have been in the game, but was and made 2 pretty big mistakes (fumble to start the game and interception to essentially end it). Even then, our defense decided to not show up on that final drive.
Clark 2008 USC (well tech 2009): Clark played very well in that game. Our secondary lost that one for us.
Clark 2009 Iowa: definitely made some mistakes
Clark 2009 OSU: Incomplete – our offensive line gave him NO protection in that game. I don’t think anyone could have played well at QB for PSU in that game.

Stanzi 2008 PSU: I remember him playing mediocre, but he did come out with a win.
Stanzi 2009 PSU: I remember him playing terribly, but he did come out with a win.
Stanzi 2009 (tech 2010) Ga Tech: I remember him playing well in this game and being quite shocked.

I really don’t want to bash Stanzi, as I like him, but I just don’t see him being one of those “gamechanging” QBs who can produce well even without a solid, veteran O-line. I remember everyone thinking that Clark would be good enough to do it, even though every media outlet kept quoting that “starts by O-linemen being the best indicator of how a team will perform”, and we kept dismissing it. I see Iowa fans trying to make the same exact rationalizations that we did last year (and admittedly combined with my bias, whether true or not I don’t know, that Clark is a better QB than Stanzi), and just see the same probable outcome in your guys future.

by The JuggerNitt on Jan 20, 2010 6:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I think your main beef is with Stoops, not me. But...
Yes, Stanzi has the advantage, but I wouldn’t call that sample size significant enough (I could be forgetting games, though, but I’m not intentionally trying to skew the stats)

By that rationale, the sample size would never be significant enough. Most QBs are never going to get more than a handful of games against top ten opponents in a career. Fair or not, you’re defined in large part by what you do in that handful of games.

Stanzi 2008 PSU: I remember him playing mediocre, but he did come out with a win.

He made some some unconscionably bad decisions (the fumbled snap, the INT into triple coverage), but he also made the huge plays in the second half (the TD pass to DJK and the completions on the game-winning drive). The overall stats may be a bit mediocre, but he made the really important plays.

Stanzi 2009 PSU: I remember him playing terribly, but he did come out with a win.

Again, I’d argue that he was merely bad (but also victimized by his receivers to a degree), although I’d agree that he deserves very little credit for this win over a top ten foe.

I really don’t want to bash Stanzi, as I like him, but I just don’t see him being one of those "gamechanging" QBs who can produce well even without a solid, veteran O-line. I remember everyone thinking that Clark would be good enough to do it, even though every media outlet kept quoting that "starts by O-linemen being the best indicator of how a team will perform", and we kept dismissing it. I see Iowa fans trying to make the same exact rationalizations that we did last year (and admittedly combined with my bias, whether true or not I don’t know, that Clark is a better QB than Stanzi), and just see the same probable outcome in your guys future.

We’ll see. Personally, I think the recipe for Iowa wins next year (particularly against really good teams) remains the same as it was this year: ride the defense hard and make just enough plays on offense to win. Luckily, the defense should be very very good.

I won’t speak for Stoops, but I think most Iowa fans are very, very concerned about the OL situation. I know I am — there’s no question that we’ll need to have 1-2 guys make a Reiff-like emergence. I think the things that give Iowa fans hope are (a) returning starters at every skill position and (b) KF’s reputation as an offensive line guru.

Big junkies come from little junkies.

by RossWB on Jan 20, 2010 8:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I am predicting in Stanzi's senior year

he will have played better, been a better QB than Clark was this past season. It’s a prediction that praises Stanzi, it does not denigrate Clark. And, it is based on my belief that his accuracy, decision making and early game play will be better. Throw in his clutch factor (which is why I mention his resume in that regard) and I think you have a sensational season waiting to happen.

"Last year we just self-destructed ... We had possessions [this game]. We just couldn’t get anything going." Paul Johnson on Georgia Tech's loss to Iowa in the Orange Bowl.

by StoopsMyAss on Jan 21, 2010 6:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Indeed.

I loved what I saw out him at the start of the OB; then he threw a patented STANZIBALL and DJK got hurt and the passing game stopped looking quite so hot.

Assuming the key guys (Stanzi, DJK, McNutt) stay healthy, the biggest thing Stanzi needs to work on is his tendency to gift the other team points via STANZIBALLS. His early game play looked much better than normal against jNW (pre-ankle injury, obviously) and Georgia Tech; those were two of the few games in which he led us right down the field for early touchdowns.

Big junkies come from little junkies.

by RossWB on Jan 21, 2010 8:41 AM CST up reply actions  

The Bar for Your Prediction

Sits here:
24: passing TDs
10: INTs
61%: completion accuracy
142: passer rating
7: rushing TDs

For this prediction to come to pass, Stanzi will have improved over his own play this past year enough that:
- he will have thrown for 600 more yards
- he will have increased his efficiency 4% points
- he will have thrown 5 fewer interceptions
- he will have thrown 7 more touchdowns
Perhaps manageable. Will his improved accuracy, decision-making and early game play improve this much? We shall see.

And how bout your line? Will it be worse than Stanzi’s 09 line? Better, still, than DC’s 09 line? Here are a few 2009 DC17 bars I suggest are out of his reach, but which you all may not care about:
- scoring 7 rushing touchdowns
- avoiding more than 15 sacks (he took 23 with your 09 oline)
- leading offense to score more than 330 points

The big one, tho, as most of both our fanbases can likely agree is most important, can Ricky Stanzi lead his 2010 Iowa Hawkeyes to 11 wins against only 2 losses?

"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess

by jtothep on Jan 21, 2010 11:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Stanzi is going to have to bemore along the lines of a

Joe Montana, not Dan Marino to be a better QB. Iowa just doesn’t try to overwhelm teams with offense. They try to do that with defense. The role of a K. Ferentz offense is to run the ball, have second and 6 or fewer, play the chains, let the clock tick, and make teams pay for overpursuit, or mental error on defense.

Ferentz plans this out so much so that for iowa to score 40 points, even against a team we are a major favorite over, is just unlikely. For example, when he sees us begin to overwhlem another team, he doesn’t step on the gas offensively, he does so defensively and you suddenly see more running plays (and he is okay with the three and out once we are ahead).

Bellanca detailed this the best. Iowa is a pro team. A 27-10 Iowa win is equivalent to a 55-10 win at Texas. The down side of this approach at the college level is players are not as reliable as they are in the pros so you are kind of vaguely allowing teams to maintain hope for the miracle. And, if something crazy happens you’re screwed for not putting them away earlier, but the upside is you are ALWAYS in your games and against superior talent you are more likely o prevail than maybe you should.

If Stanzi doesn’t give up 1/2 those interceptions last year we probably blow out Ark St, Michigan, Arizona, and Georgia Tech. I mean really blow them out. The UNI game he was turnover free, go figure.

I think KOK and KF will really get inside Rick’s head this off season about game management and importance of possession. With our defense he does not need to be a hero. He needs to be a director, a manager and let his talent work itself into the game. I think he will grow in three areas: more throw aways once the play breaks down, better accuracy on drop back throws, quicker decision making. If other teams realize we are not throwing interceptions they will be in a situation where they need to take risks knowing we don’t do risky shit.

"Last year we just self-destructed ... We had possessions [this game]. We just couldn’t get anything going." Paul Johnson on Georgia Tech's loss to Iowa in the Orange Bowl.

by StoopsMyAss on Jan 21, 2010 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

and I think this is where I see the "flaw"

you expect Stanzi to do better because he will do less, just hopefully make less mistakes (or at least that’s how I am interpreting it). We at Penn State definitely know that type of QB. It is the type we normally have. It is the type that won us the 1986 National Championship.

I can see that being viewed as “better” since it is possibly fewer mistakes, and possibly more wins. Effficiency and turnover margin-wise, Clark had a very good “game manager” season. When did he struggle? When his offensive line was too inexperienced to deal with two of the top 10 defensive lines in the country.

This is the parallel I was trying to draw. Stanzi may be a “game winner” and may be able to “carry the team on his back”, but when Penn State and Ohio State have their defensive front four in your backfield a second after the snap, pretty much continuously throughout the game, it will be hard for Stanzi to make those plays.

As I’ve stated numerous times, the only reason I’m bringing this up is that pretty much every Penn State fan I knew was saying pretty much the exact things you are saying about Stanzi, and how having an O-line full of pretty much all new starters can be overcome, despite the statistics indicating the opposite. Unfortunately for us, the trend continued.

Can Iowa and Stanzi buck that trend? Perhaps. Anything is possible. You guys are known for line play, and I’m going to assume that the new starters got a lot of play this year, and that was the case I made for PSU’s line before this year, saying that they may not have had the starts, but they still played a lot of downs. But then they still got dominated by a good defensive line.

Perhaps Penn State was just “unlucky” in having to play 2 of the best defensive lines, but again, Iowa is also going to have to face 2 of the best defensive lines in 2010.

I’d like to say best of luck to you guys next year, and I do mean that for all the non-PSU games, but PSU is going to need all the luck we can get, with our away games @ Alabama, @ Iowa, and @ OSU.

by The JuggerNitt on Jan 21, 2010 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Man I hope you guys beat Alabama. Last year at this time, were the BSDrs concerned about the 09 PSU line? I know I am concerned about whatever the hell the 2010 Iowa line will even look like, despite the returning starters at almost every other Off position. This is a fucking problem, but there are always those in the off-season. We could even have a typical Iowa RBcalypse. This has just set up so crazy with the returning starters everywhere, except OL and LB. Dumb college kids. It’ll be fascinating and nerve wracking to watch it play out.

by txhawkeye on Jan 22, 2010 9:39 AM CST up reply actions  

we were at least wary of our O-line

I think most people felt our line would be good enough, and hopefully have enough games to gel before playing tough teams (mainly Iowa and OSU). That, unfortunately was not the case, and the inexperience of our O-line was a glaring deficiency on this team.

I think most people were actually more concerned about WR and the secondary, but those turned out to be pleasant surprises.

This isn’t to say that our O-line was bad. They took a few games to be able to develop the run game, and never got quite good enough to handle a solid front 4 (even LSU’s front 4 wasn’t very good this year). We lucked out a bit that we only had to really play 2 solid defensive fronts all year, otherwise things could have been a bit worse.

Seriously, though, if you watch the PSU-Iowa or PSU-OSU games, Clark is almost constantly under pressure, and it showed.

by The JuggerNitt on Jan 22, 2010 1:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I think you make excellent points here

but I think your skill positions players were a bit down this year. I think your wide outs were not great, just solid. I think you needed one more RB. you lost two whole games, and to us you lost because of a blocked punt and Clark got rattled. You have to admit that he was rattled even when you were ahead. It was weird. As for Ohio State, I think your receivers had a hard time getting open. I think your o-line hurt you, but if you had a slightly better receiving group and a banger at RB, I think you maybe go undefeated. Maybe.

And if our line cannot give Stanzi in the shotgun at least 3-4 seconds, then yep, we are going to have a long year.

"Last year we just self-destructed ... We had possessions [this game]. We just couldn’t get anything going." Paul Johnson on Georgia Tech's loss to Iowa in the Orange Bowl.

by StoopsMyAss on Jan 23, 2010 10:16 AM CST up reply actions  

pretty true

Agree on the bit of dropoff at Wideout. I was mountaintop shouting over there (in answer to txhawk) that this dropoff would prove to be irrelevant. Certainly far less of a concern than the Oline moves we were staring down. After taking our only two returning starters and moving them to new positions (Wiz from RG to C and Landolt from RT to LT), JoePa compounded the problem by doghousing our LG over a fairly petty weight issue, negating our creampuff warmup ahead of facing Iowa’s manchildren. And that ended up being just too much for DC to compose himself through.

But you may be right about a bruiser RB and more-physical wideouts. Two things which will be fun to look fwd to next year. Did Derek Moye learn from getting mauled by Chimdi Chekwa? Can Powell come back from injury and get open also? Zug’s too white to garner any respect from OSU’s d, so he’ll still likely always be open. Have you heard of our 235lb recruit Curtis Dukes? He was a RS freshman this past year, and we’re curious to see if he can get some carries with Royster coming back.

Still, all those possibilities become instantly moo if an Oline can’t open holes for a runner and can’t close them for a passer (not that we necessarily expect to have one). In any case, when your Oline is the biggest question mark, it must be nice to be confident in Oline coaching.

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by jtothep on Jan 24, 2010 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Personally

I don’t expect Stanzi to throw 15 picks again. He’s going to get deadlier and our receiver corps is going to get better. I also think our O-Line problems can be solved. Much of this year was played with a talented but underperforming/injured O-Line. If next year’s crew managed to gel and keep healthy, this could be a very brutal team.

by ocu-master on Jan 19, 2010 11:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not saying there won't be any big-time Stanziballs

Sure, I’ll give him 5 picks (including one pick six) next year. Not in one game, for the whole season. We’ll all go “dammit Stanzi” after the pick six, but before the student section can muster a unified “Vandenberg! Vandenberg!” Stanzi will be back on the field hooking up with McNutt or DJK for a touchdown to make us proud to be Americanzis once again.

by PackerHawk on Jan 19, 2010 11:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Meh...

…I don’t see the offense and defense being any worse than their respective sides were this past year. That doesn’t mean they’re favorites to win it all, but it means they probably have a decent shot at it.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Jan 20, 2010 9:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Iowa always struggles offensively - nothing new about that

Well, unless Shonn Greene is carrying the rock. But PSU had more than just their O-line to rebuild, it also had to replace both the entire Secondary and entire WR corps as well as half the D-line. There is quite a difference in the two “rebuilds.”

by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jan 20, 2010 9:51 AM CST up reply actions  

the secondary was surprisngly an improvement this year

and our WR corps actually performed quite well, even from the get go. The D-line was also quite solid this year. Our problems were almost completely O-line based (though special teams warrants an honorable mention)

by The JuggerNitt on Jan 20, 2010 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

The last line of this post sums up perfectly

all my days as an Iowa fan. Just once, “it sure would be cool…”

by hmbfossil on Jan 19, 2010 10:18 PM CST reply actions  

It starts with the O-line and ends with the O-line

…of course, barring Stanzi going down or some similar cataclysmic event. Norm will have the defense sorted out.

It’s just that I have seen the movie before. I think everybody thought ’85 woud be a good year, especially after we mutilated Texas in some odd creation called the Freedom Bowl. And we were, but for a bad day for Chuck Long in Columbus in the rain, and the debacle in Pasadena. We were highly ranked preseason in 1988 and lost to the Rainbow Brites of Hawaii, and it only went downhill from there. The wounds are still fresh from 2005.

And yet….there is now a sense of emotional stability to this program that may not have been there before. This team’s road record and all the comebacks bear that out. Stanzi isn’t the lightning rod that Drew Tate was, and he has the rare ability to rise out of bottomless pits of fire to do something special in the end. Chuck Long was either on or he wasn’t. Thankfully, he was on far more often. And did I mention Norm?

The o-line doesn’t have to be great, but it has to be good enough to allow the offense to have some balance. If it is, yeah, maybe this could be a special season. Big games at home, 97 running backs, the college football equivalent of Hockeybear on the d-line, some of that just needs to rub off a little on the o-line. If it all works out, I will then spend the rest of my life in fear of my imminent demise, having already requested of the almighty JUST ONE national championship in football during my lifetime.

by Mr. Grizz on Jan 19, 2010 10:48 PM CST reply actions  

The past does not

equal the future. Chin up sir. We’re going places. We have character AND talent.

"Last year we just self-destructed ... We had possessions [this game]. We just couldn’t get anything going." Paul Johnson on Georgia Tech's loss to Iowa in the Orange Bowl.

by StoopsMyAss on Jan 19, 2010 11:14 PM CST up reply actions  

1985 does point out something, though

First, you have to have a team that is talented enough and experienced enough to make a run at the national title. But then you need some luck. Every single team that has won a NC has had at least one or two games that could have (maybe even should have) gone the other way. Would Chuck have won that game in good weather? Would we have beaten them at home? This year with Alabama – they were lucky to win at Tennessee, they were lucky that McCoy went down in the first quarter, etc.

I am excited about next year’s team, but not booking my flight to the NC game yet. But yes, it would be pretty fucking cool.

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by Bluzmn on Jan 20, 2010 7:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Iowa would have beat Ohio State

in better weather. We were a passing team and that artificial turf was a skating rink that day.

"Last year we just self-destructed ... We had possessions [this game]. We just couldn’t get anything going." Paul Johnson on Georgia Tech's loss to Iowa in the Orange Bowl.

by StoopsMyAss on Jan 20, 2010 11:52 AM CST up reply actions  

It pains me to say it but...

That sounds a bit to much like a bitter PSU fan

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by The Bacon Explosion on Jan 20, 2010 12:43 PM CST up reply actions  

My folks were at that game, and described the environment as ridiculously intimidating. I don’t think Iowa wins on the road that day under any circumstances.

by txhawkeye on Jan 20, 2010 3:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I call it how I saw it.

Watch the game. Ohio State was a running team, and they ran right into the defense. Long threw interceptions to guys who slipped in their routes. Ohio State was good and certainly deserved the win. But, Iowa was a team that was not built for all conditions. They were a high flying team that was exposed in the conditions that day. On a perfect field, I don’t think anyone would have stayed with Iowa that year. My belief.

"Last year we just self-destructed ... We had possessions [this game]. We just couldn’t get anything going." Paul Johnson on Georgia Tech's loss to Iowa in the Orange Bowl.

by StoopsMyAss on Jan 21, 2010 6:55 AM CST up reply actions  

I can't remember who said it...

it may even have been on this site. When it comes to weather conditions, don’t they affect both teams? If I recall, there was some SEC team (LSU?) bitching about losing to a Big XI (PSU?) team because of the weather conditons and the conditions on the field and someone pointed out that a fast player in perfect conditons would still be faster than a slow player when conditions are less than perfect.

We really can’t have it both ways, either weather makes a difference or it doesn’t for both teams, no matter what their play style is.

Also, ultimately doesn’t that come down to coaching as well? If a coach knows that their team is a passing team or a running team, and if the conditions are not conducive to the teams strength, then the coach needs to make some game time adjustments so that their players can succeed.

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by SpoWAHawk on Jan 20, 2010 4:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Close, but not quite

The point was that weather, and in the LSU-PSU case the turf conditions, affects players equally. That doesn’t mean that certain weather conditions won’t have an impact or won’t tend to favor one team or another (or, at least mitigate the advantages Team A has over Team B). That is exactly what was at issue in the 1985 Iowa-OSU game, the (a) heavy rain causing (b) the artificial turf to be incredibily neutralized both teams’ passing game. Both teams were affected by the conditions, but it gave OSU an advantage in that Iowa was much more dependent on the pass, and OSU was a run-first, second, third, fourth type offense. This is different from the LSU complaint that the muddy field conditions favored because it took away LSU’s speed – any loss of speed faced by LSU was negated by the same affect on PSU.

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by HoyaGoon on Jan 20, 2010 5:08 PM CST up reply actions  

this is also not quite exact

at least not how I see it.

Weather is usually looked at as an “equalizer”. It may affect both teams/players, but it doesn’t affect them the same.

I look at it like this: on an optimal field, player A can run as fast as he can, and player B can run as fast as he can, but if player A is much faster than B, then he’ll smoke him in a race.

If the field is then in such a condition that no one can safely run faster than a certain speed (say the ground slips out from under them, sometimes literally like in the Cap One bowl this year), then both players are essentially capped at that speed. Player A may have a slight advantage, but if the conditions only warrant a certain max speed, and both players can run that fast, then they are now “equalized”. This doesn’t even factor in cutting ability.

by The JuggerNitt on Jan 20, 2010 6:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, the speed argument from LSU fans is typical of SEC fans.

SEC fans consistently ignore the fact that Penn State is not like Ohio State – we’ve always been fast. More importantly, speed isn’t the only fundamental aspect of the game. Just ask LSU’s runningbacks who couldn’t get past Jared Odrick.

by ReadingRambler on Jan 20, 2010 7:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly

people discount the role of sheer luck in football, especially with injuries.

If Stanzi hadn’t sprained his ankle, (still sacked, still fumbled, still gave ‘em a free TD), we had an excellent chance of a 12-0 regular season. The BCS computers we’re loving us due to SOS and if the human voters had us #3, we probably would have bumped Texas in the MNC game.

Very few teams can handle losing the starting QB, but the real problem teams like Iowa have is depth everywhere else. The true elite teams have 2nd and 3rd stringers that could be starters in most programs. We don’t.

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by Flakbait on Jan 20, 2010 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I still don't see it.
The BCS computers we’re loving us due to SOS and if the human voters had us #3, we probably would have bumped Texas in the MNC game.

That seems pretty damn questionable. Between the unimpressive way we won many games and the BXI’s pre-bowl game reputation, I just don’t see the pollsters giving Iowa much love — especially over Texas. And polls still count for 2/3 of the BCS ranking.

Big junkies come from little junkies.

by RossWB on Jan 20, 2010 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

But that other 3rd

is pretty huge. The computers don’t consider margin of victory or reputation. and when we were 8-0 (IIRC) they had ahead of Texas.

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by Flakbait on Jan 20, 2010 1:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Perhaps I'm missing something, but how is 1/3 bigger than 2/3?

Not to mention that it’s no guarantee we’d be #3.

I don’t see how we can ignore the fact that there were strong feelings against any BXI team getting a crack at the national title. In any sort of tie, the BXI team was never going to get the benefit of the doubt.

All the chatter from BCS gurus pre-jNW loss was that Iowa needed Texas to lose to have a shot at the national title; I don’t see how that’s changed. Anything else reeks of revisionist history.

Big junkies come from little junkies.

by RossWB on Jan 20, 2010 2:30 PM CST up reply actions  

There is some question of whether or not the Big12 is overated

The SEC is good ill admit but i have serious doubts about Big12. The year of Bradford, Mccoy, and Harrel (2 years ago) was beyond over hyped. It turned out that they didnt face a real D. TT lost 28-0 to Ole Miss, Texas barelly beat OSU (cause OSU blew it) and OU got wooped in the Championship

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by DportROTCHawki on Jan 20, 2010 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think there is a question.

It IS overrated. But in November, the Big 12 (and Texas in particular) still had a much better image than the Big Iowa (and Iowa in particular).

It would be nice to see the “BXI is overrated and sucks and can’t win big games” meme switch to the BXII this off-season, considering they’ve lost far more BCS title games.

Big junkies come from little junkies.

by RossWB on Jan 20, 2010 3:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Big 12 in NC games

When was the last time they won 1? I also believe they were the conference that got beat by BSU in the Fiesta one of the biggest upsets in bowl history. What was there bowl game record this last year?

It might have been a major hate of iowa this year cause the media talking heads couldnt figure out how we were good and winning. I can’t recall any announcer liking iowa espec Terry Bradshaw on FOX

"I believe I have the total package of speed, strength, and explosion," Adrian F@#kin Clayborn

by DportROTCHawki on Jan 20, 2010 3:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Texas won the title game in 2005 (the 2006 Rose Bowl).

I think they went 4-4 in bowls this year. Oklahoma, Nebraska, Iowa State, and Texas Tech won; Texas, Oklahoma State, Missouri, and Texas A&M lost.

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by RossWB on Jan 20, 2010 3:13 PM CST up reply actions  

4-3 is better take that

BIg XI couldve easliy gone 5-1 if Minn wins the worst bowl game ever or jNW makes a damn fieldgoal.

"I believe I have the total package of speed, strength, and explosion," Adrian F@#kin Clayborn

by DportROTCHawki on Jan 20, 2010 3:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Didn't say it was bigger

I said it was huge. Which may imply bigger, but actually can’t be used to make that determination. (my Mom said I should be a lawyer)

And I also said IF the humans had given us #3. Again, a bunch of computers had us at #1 for a short time. Would that have held after Alabama played an extra game where they soundly whooped Florida? Maybe, maybe not.

In retrospect, “probably” was too strong a word, but I do think it was within the realm of possiblity.

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by Flakbait on Jan 20, 2010 2:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Having 1/3 on our side is nice, but it's still smaller than 2/3 (obviously).
In retrospect, "probably" was too strong a word, but I do think it was within the realm of possiblity.

Well, it was certainly not an impossibility… I just think it was highly improbable so long as Texas and Bama both went 13-0.

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by RossWB on Jan 20, 2010 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

crap

forogt about the B12 championship game.

My scenario just became less likely.

In 100 years, we'll all be dead.

by Flakbait on Jan 20, 2010 3:43 PM CST up reply actions  

don't forget

being #1, 2, 3, 4, etc in on poll won’t give you the same exact amount of points every time, and so it matters how far ahead in each poll or computer average a team is.

It is technically possible for a team to be #1 in 2 of the 3 components, and still not make the championship game (isn’t this what happened to USC in 2004?) because they are so far behind the other teams in that third component

by The JuggerNitt on Jan 20, 2010 6:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Every change they've made has been to give more power to the human voters and less to the computers.

Which wouldn’t have benefited Iowa this year, considering it’s wildly unlikely that many pollsters would have preferred Iowa over Texas.

Big junkies come from little junkies.

by RossWB on Jan 20, 2010 8:01 PM CST up reply actions  

AND the voters would have gamed the polls anyway. There is no way an undefeated Iowa (which, for the record, didn’t happen) would have jumped undefeated SEC and Big XII teams, probably not Cincy, and maybe not TCU. Humanoids didn’t want Big XI in the title game this year if could plausibly be denied.

by txhawkeye on Jan 21, 2010 7:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Let's be real here.

If Iowa—a BXI team—goes undefeated with road wins at PSU, Wisconsin, and OSU, they’re ahead of Cincy and TCU. The OSU game makes them an undisputed #3. Unfortunately, that’s still out of the title game. But do not underestimate the power of what a win in Columbus would have meant.

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by Adam Jacobi on Jan 22, 2010 12:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I know, overblown. We agree Iowa wasn’t getting ahead of UT without a Texas loss.

by txhawkeye on Jan 22, 2010 10:09 AM CST up reply actions  

I think people forget

how much doubt Nebraska put into the minds of voters after the Big XII Championship. It would be a long-shot, but to say “no way” an undefeated Iowa team would have jumped Texa may not be quite right.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Jan 26, 2010 11:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Next thing your going to tell me is that the cubs are going to win the world series.

And Iowa State will beat Iowa in wrestling.

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by fliphawk4 on Jan 19, 2010 11:07 PM CST reply actions  

Uh, let's not get silly.

"Last year we just self-destructed ... We had possessions [this game]. We just couldn’t get anything going." Paul Johnson on Georgia Tech's loss to Iowa in the Orange Bowl.

by StoopsMyAss on Jan 19, 2010 11:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually

Those have happened before.

by benvious on Jan 19, 2010 11:55 PM CST up reply actions  

ISU(ck) wrestling?

Now you are spouting blasphemy.

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by Bluzmn on Jan 20, 2010 7:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh man we are fucked!

Iowa getting respect well hell. We will have no idea how to act. This has to be a misprint. I will say this if and it is a if we get there we will damn well win the game!

by nwyms Trebek! on Jan 19, 2010 11:19 PM CST reply actions  

Ok

Kill the “we’re fucked” routine. It has had its day. We have 8 months to come up with something new.

by benvious on Jan 19, 2010 11:53 PM CST up reply actions  

We're boned!

Totally boned!

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Jan 20, 2010 5:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Odds to Win the Title Next Year

3001 Alabama +385
3002 Arkansas +4000
3003 Auburn +5000
3004 Arizona +10000
3005 Arizona State +10000
3006 Boise State +1500
3007 Boston College +12500
3008 BYU +12500
3009 California +10000
3010 Cincinnati +8000
3011 Clemson +5000
3012 Florida +2500
3013 Florida State +5000
3014 Georgia +3000
3015 Georgia Tech +5000
3016 Iowa +2000
3017 Kansas State +12500
3018 LSU +2500
3019 Miami +2000
3020 Michigan +5000
3021 Michigan State +10000
3022 Missouri +5000
3023 Mississippi +10000
3024 Nebraska +1500
3025 North Carolina +6000
3026 Notre Dame +7500
3027 Ohio State +650
3028 Oklahoma +1500
3029 Oklahoma State +8000
3030 Oregon +1200
3031 Oregon State +3000
3032 Penn State +2000
3033 Pittsburgh +4000
3034 South Carolina +10000
3035 South Florida +7500
3036 Southern Cal +1200
3037 TCU +1800
3038 Tennessee +6000
3039 Texas +1500
3040 Texas Tech +7500
3041 UCLA +6000
3042 Utah +10000
3043 Virginia Tech +1800
3044 Washington +5000
3045 West Virginia +8000
3046 Wisconsin +4000
3047 Field +2000

by KentuckyThunderPussy on Jan 20, 2010 12:20 AM CST reply actions  

If I had $100 to blow...

I’d go for it, but it’ll make that typical early season loss ultra devastating.

by fugeeu on Jan 20, 2010 2:18 AM CST up reply actions  

USC's only +1200?!

When were these odds made, the middle of November?

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by Adam Jacobi on Jan 20, 2010 11:49 AM CST up reply actions  

heh. I thought the same thing. perhaps Vegas gets a lotta love from USC homers due to proximity, I dunno. cuz it certainly isn’t due to Kiffin or Barkley. looks like Bama and tOSU are frontrunners, followed by the usual suspects (and Iowa). or can we start including the Hawkeyes amongst the other big names now?

by KentuckyThunderPussy on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM CST up reply actions  

After they go undefeated through the first 2 Big XI games

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by The Bacon Explosion on Jan 20, 2010 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

That list is bullshit

Where is Iowa State?

And don’t give me this “field” bullshit. Their field sucks.

by Black and Gold on Jan 21, 2010 12:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Does it seem like FoxSports.com

is all but admitting that he wrote Iowa’s 9-0 start off without actually watching them play? I realize the defense was particularly dominant against GTech, but they were also pretty good against PSU. On the road. With multiple injuries on offense. I realize a person can only watch so many games a year, but that was a night game—with very little, if any, on-air competition.

by alnamiasIV on Jan 20, 2010 5:42 AM CST reply actions  

Good grief, man!

They needed TWO blocked field goals to beat UNI! They only beat Arkansas State by three points! Why, they were clearly just a traveshamockery of a top ten team. Harrumph.

/MSM’d

Big junkies come from little junkies.

by RossWB on Jan 20, 2010 8:44 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm going to blindly enjoy this post on the MNC

Because as oops said, “It sure would be cool?”

All future comments on this subject will just say – New O-line, Arizona on the road in September.

But for now, It sure would be cool.

by Internet Legend on Jan 20, 2010 8:09 AM CST reply actions  

Is Arizona hollow, or did they just croak in their bowl game?

Yes, Nebraska had a really on night, but I thought Arizona also stunk up the place… it seems as if the Stoops Mystique follows the brothers everywhere… the press seems to think Mike Stoops can duplicate the success at Arizona that Bobby has been able to do at OU. Let’s be honest – what football player in their right mind wants to play college football in a furnace like ASU or Arizona?

IMHO, guys that want to play in warmer weather are going to stay in the milder climes of the SE, Texas and California. The SE and Texas and USC have more recent traditions of being winning programs than Arizona or Arizona State.

While unfortunately, the game is early in the season, I’m not sure Arizona has the depth to challenge Iowa even at their crib. And I suspect this will be a team on a mission to prove that this past year was not a fluke.

And assuming Norm is able to coach next year, its going to be a monster defense. Maybe the best we’ve ever had at Iowa. I’m not nearly as worried about replacing the LB, Spievey, or the O-line as we shuttled a lot of players in and out of the O-line this year, and the comment about going against the defensive line in practice is an excellent point. Do you want to be the guy that gets bitchmade by Clayborn?

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by Leftcoast Hawk on Jan 20, 2010 12:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not going to be worried about ISU for a couple more years yet.

This upcoming season, Rhoads will still be the beneficiary of Jhizik’s 1 year recruting stint. They will still be an epic pile of FAIL next year.

"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me

by BStylin Hawkye on Jan 20, 2010 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed.

Rhoads is a very good coach. I just don’t see them winning more than 6 games again next year, and certainly not against Iowa.

"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me

by BStylin Hawkye on Jan 20, 2010 1:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Jury's still out on that, IMO.

This year he beat the teams he “should” have beaten and lost to the teams he “should” have lost to — with the exception of Nebraska, and that was an all-time WTF game where they needed, what, EIGHT turnovers to still only win by two points?

Did he do more than Chizik? Unquestionably. But beyond that, I think it’s unclear. He seems solid (which, again, is better than what they had), but next year could be rough. (Getting Oklahoma, Texas, and Texas Tech back on the schedule, plus adding Utah is going to make things very tricky.)

Big junkies come from little junkies.

by RossWB on Jan 20, 2010 1:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Iowa State makes me very worried. History tells us this is so, particularly early.

by txhawkeye on Jan 20, 2010 3:51 PM CST up reply actions  

And that’s not even to mention what Clayborn and company did to Matt Scott last year.

Yeah, they bitchmade him so bad he lost the starting job — to the guy who probably should have had the job all along. And who will pose a stiffer threat to Iowa next year.

Big junkies come from little junkies.

by RossWB on Jan 20, 2010 1:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Indeed.

I certainly hope they do again and that this game w/ Foles looks like the Holiday Bowl with Iowa in the Nebraska role, but I’m not necessarily counting on it.

Big junkies come from little junkies.

by RossWB on Jan 20, 2010 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Arizona also just lost their OC

Sonny Dykes has left his position as OC to become the new head coach at La. Tech.

by HeroPatriotStanzi on Jan 20, 2010 5:24 PM CST up reply actions  

what football player in their right mind wants to play college football in a furnace like ASU or Arizona?

Umm, I dunno, players who might want to be around this?



"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess

by jtothep on Jan 20, 2010 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I would.

"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me

by BStylin Hawkye on Jan 20, 2010 1:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Some of those are ASU girls

but you do make a good point.

I would never tell anybody to google for the ASU cheerleader who went into porn. While wearing her ASU cheerleader outfit. At least not while they are at work.

In 100 years, we'll all be dead.

by Flakbait on Jan 20, 2010 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I have a love/hate relationship with ASU.

I went to the ASU game in 2004. The fans that sat around us did nothing but swear at us and demonstrate generally dickish behavior. Which was not helped by the general implosion occuring on the field. That was also the game where Dirk Koetter left Walter in the game into the fourth quarter so that he could break the school record for career touchdown passes. My experience was sufficient for me to hate the ASU fans, the athletic department and all of their teams. I actively root against ASU whenever possible.

OTOH, I love that the school hand symbol is the shocker.

by Abbas_Cincinnatus on Jan 20, 2010 1:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Generally dickish behavior is abhorrent!

Moderately dickish on the other hand, hey—that’s cool.

"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess

by jtothep on Jan 20, 2010 1:39 PM CST up reply actions  

re: the shocker

The one on the right, her slogan is ‘two in the pink, one in the stink.’ But the one on the left, she likes for you ‘to go town, with one in the brown.’

"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess

by jtothep on Jan 20, 2010 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I've always appreciated how cheerleaders

seem to like ice cream.

"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess

by jtothep on Jan 20, 2010 1:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Is it just me?

or are those top two flashing the shocker?

"Well of course, there's nothing better than being American!!!" - Ricky Americanzi, Jan. 5th, 2010

by The Bacon Explosion on Jan 20, 2010 2:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't let em sell you on 'it's a pitchfork'

We all know better.

"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess

by jtothep on Jan 20, 2010 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Its a good thing the girls are somewhat hot

Although the ASU campus, IMHO, is a pit. It looks like its falling apart. And I sure didn’t see any hot girls walking around when I was touring the campus by car last year. But, compared to the 80s, when I was in college, the average co-ed like the average American isn’t in as good of shape or as thin today. Its a shame, there are a lot of pretty girls carrying around 20-30 extra they don’t need.

I blame fructose. And MTV. Just because.

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by Leftcoast Hawk on Jan 20, 2010 2:20 PM CST up reply actions  

totally

"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess

by jtothep on Jan 20, 2010 2:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Hawkeye Nipples

until they have that nothing can top iowa. picture any1?

"I believe I have the total package of speed, strength, and explosion," Adrian F@#kin Clayborn

by DportROTCHawki on Jan 20, 2010 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Google Image Search is your friend.

But don’t post it here. We like to avoid porn.

Big junkies come from little junkies.

by RossWB on Jan 20, 2010 3:16 PM CST up reply actions  

it does top there pics

though close. we do? im a new member & just clicked agree w/out readin the rules, i thought ive seen it here b4 but i wont post it

"I believe I have the total package of speed, strength, and explosion," Adrian F@#kin Clayborn

by DportROTCHawki on Jan 20, 2010 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Someone may have posted a link to the image

But I can’t imagine the picture itself showing up in any comment threads.

by The Mexican't on Jan 20, 2010 3:34 PM CST up reply actions  

It may have shown up in the past.

But going forward, we’d prefer if it didn’t turn up here. There’s no shortage of places on the interwebs to see naked boobies.

As far as rules, there aren’t many:

1) No slurs towards other posters.
2) No porn.
3) No profanity in the titles of FanPosts/FanShots (profanity in the content is fine).
4) No links to illegal streams of games.

That’s pretty much it.

Big junkies come from little junkies.

by RossWB on Jan 20, 2010 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I think i saw it when BHGP infultrated FTRS bout our fans

all good on the rules

"I believe I have the total package of speed, strength, and explosion," Adrian F@#kin Clayborn

by DportROTCHawki on Jan 20, 2010 3:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I can attest to clause #3.

I’ve forced Ross into editing my headers on a few occasions… more like RossWBolshevik.

/O'keefe'd

by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jan 20, 2010 5:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Da, comrade.


That’s me over the shoulder there.

Big junkies come from little junkies.

by RossWB on Jan 20, 2010 6:10 PM CST up reply actions  

As someone who's posted the link to Miss TigerHawkNipples

About eleventy times, I have to ask “Since when?”

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Jan 20, 2010 5:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I have to add here

that Iowa City in the 90’s was chock full of hotties. I’ve been in 5 countries and 26 states and I would place IC in the top 5. That includes Las Vegas and L’Viv Ukraine. I have never met anybody who actually spent time there that didn’t agree. Haven’t been back much lately, but how much could it have possibly changed.

In 100 years, we'll all be dead.

by Flakbait on Jan 20, 2010 3:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree

I spent seven years there (insert jokes here, you assholes) and still get back several times a year, including but not limited to all home games. Iowa City has never, ever, failed to disappoint when it comes to hotties. I’ve been to plenty of other college towns that do not compare favorably.

by Black and Gold on Jan 21, 2010 12:35 AM CST up reply actions  

I would love to have gone to school here, but I might not have graduated

…and not because of the rigors of education. More heat means less clothes, bikini weather year round, and bikini shape year round. Living in Tempe, I used to hit Mill Avenue every Friday night with a buddy of mine after golfing at 5 on Friday. We had a curb seat at Fat Tuesday more times than I can count. My Sweet Lord. As an ‘84 grad, the best thing you’d see in Iowa City was typically a tight sweater. Now look agin, above.

My buddy came from a family of seven boys. Five went to midwestern schools and graduated. Two went to ASU and didn’t make it past sophomore year. Waaaay too much fun. Sure its hot—-that’s what the pool is for.

Fans down here tend to be a little bitter. ASU has the Sparty complex. They do something really good, get respect, and then soil themselves immediately. Uof A people often consider themselves God’s Gift, but they aren’t really ready for the big time in football. Exhibit 1 is the fans lining the field before Oregon tied them last year and beat them in overtime.

I was at the last game Iowa played in Tempe. The ASU fans were pissed because we essentially skunked them and beat them up the year before. I remember Dirk Koetter calling a long pass with seven minutes left, up38-0 or 38-7. As for Dirk, karma, baby. That same day, a heavily favored Wisco team escaped Tucson 9-7.

The game scares me to death. However, we should win. ISU scares me to death, now that Rhoads is there. Still, we should win.

by Mr. Grizz on Jan 20, 2010 3:07 PM CST up reply actions  

It’s a loooooooong offseason. Unfortunately, the annual early-season inexplicable loss didn’t occur until late in 2009 (referring to the Rickocalypse in the Iowa end zone) so am very leery of Iowa State and AZ. Rhoads may take the McCarney Iowa game route and AZ is in the damn desert. I haven’t finished enjoying the coronary events this season gave me, nor forgiven Bellanca for “game over” with Iowa up 10-0 on the fightin’ Fitzgeralds. History tells us crazy shit happens between Jan 1 and Sep 1.

by txhawkeye on Jan 20, 2010 8:13 AM CST reply actions  

Excuse me for a second:

North Carolina. And Pitt. In the Orange Bowl. North Carolina and Pitt in the Orange Bowl.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

IN A GAME THAT ALREADY STRUGGLES TO GET ATTENDANCE, NORTH CAROLINA AND PITT? AHAHAHAHAHAHA

“HEY, LOOK, A STRAY CAT HAS FOUND IT’S WAY INTO THE BLEACHERS! WE’LL COUNT HIM FOR ATTENDANCE!!”

AHAHAHAHA

by ReadingRambler on Jan 20, 2010 8:38 AM CST reply actions  

Hey man, don't go knocking a rematch of the 2009 Meineke Car Care Bowl like that.

I wonder how often Orange Bowl execs cry themselves to sleep at night. It’s a wonder they’re not funneling money to FSU or Miami to help them win the ACC.

Big junkies come from little junkies.

by RossWB on Jan 20, 2010 8:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Watch the watch... watch it...you are getting sleeeepy....

Allright now. Dave Waanstadt wins something as a head coach.
Darn, still doesn’t work, does it?

by Mr. Grizz on Jan 20, 2010 12:00 PM CST up reply actions  

The MSM still doesn't pay attention to Iowa or the Big Ten, they're just overreacting in the other direction now

As others have already pointed out, this writer was ignorant of the fact that if a Big Ten team is in the title game next year, and a non-AQ is eligible as an at-large, the Rose Bowl has to take them.

I’d also question his choice of “returning stars” for Iowa. I love me some McNutt (yes, I know how bad that sounds), but I still don’t think you can put him above DJK. If you can only choose 3 returning stars per school, then that’s a tough decision to make (although you could also go with someone like Sash as #3), but I get the feeling this guy just said, “Hey, these two guys were interviewed after the Orange Bowl, and then… looks like this ‘Marvin McNutt’ guy had the most touchdowns, so let’s go with him.”

I saw another article (don’t remember where) doing off-season rankings that had Iowa 6th, referring to their “9 returning starters on defense” and how “the loss of Bulaga and Spievey would be hard to overcome.” If the writer knew that Spievey was leaving, he should’ve known there are only 8 returning defensive starters.

I totally agree that it’s nice to dream a little, and if we play Alabama for the title, I’ll see you all in Glendale. But as I alluded to in the title, the past several years the knee-jerk reaction has been that the Big Ten is down, therefore all Big Ten teams suck. After this year’s bowl successes, the story is going to be that the Big Ten is back, and all the Big Ten teams are going to be overrated a little. We just have to hope that Ferentz keeps the team focused on getting better, and doesn’t let the kids believe the hype.

by cbrett42 on Jan 20, 2010 9:15 AM CST reply actions  

I believe everyone is forgetting something.

All it will take is Notre Dame, and “insert S.E.C. school” to start out 4-0 or 5-0 and they will be ranked in the top ten, and all the polls will shake out the same way they do every year.

Who's leg do I have to hump to get a drink around here?-Brian

by fliphawk4 on Jan 20, 2010 10:35 AM CST reply actions  

May suck?

I believe you mean they will suck. Brian Kelly goes 4-8 and gets fired after 1 year on the job.

"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me

by BStylin Hawkye on Jan 20, 2010 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

If only pigs could fly.

Kelly is going to get a vote of confidence for awhile… maybe even longer than Weis. He’s the exact kind of guy that program wants. They’ll let him slide for quite awhile even if mediocrity is his ceiling.

/O'keefe'd

by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jan 20, 2010 11:54 AM CST up reply actions  

The Fighting Peacocks are not a complete team

Besides, sweeping the Michigans was a rare event last year. Even if they are the better team, ND loses to one of them.

by Mr. Grizz on Jan 20, 2010 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Well, they didn't sweep the Michigans.

I definitely think that it’s a possibility that Notre Dame ends up with a greater number in the loss column. All I’m saying is that Kelly is gonna get a free pass for awhile due to his cohesion with the program’s image.

/O'keefe'd

by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jan 20, 2010 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

As great as that sounds.....

They will give him time to bring in his recruits in sees what he does with them. I could be wrong but I think they only have one scholarship QB right now and Montana’s kid enrolled this semester.

by RonMaDon on Jan 20, 2010 1:05 PM CST up reply actions  

for otherwise intelligent college football fans

you all show a remarkable ignorance of Notre Dame’s current roster, Notre Dame as a program, and Brian Kelly as a head coach. Either that or my monitor doesn’t read your sarcasm font.

Navy has beaten ND twice in 40 years, both times when ND was coached by a guy who had no fucking idea how to be a college head coach. MSU and Purdue might be better next year, but ND will improve by much more. Volumes more.

Smokin Herb is correct that Kelly will get a free pass … every coach who isn’t R. Rodriquez gets a free pass in his first year. But the thought of ND going worse than 6-6 in 2010 is bizzaro talk.

by everloyal on Jan 20, 2010 12:47 PM CST reply actions  

Seriously

Who the hell is gonna cover Michael Floyd?

Next year, baby, next year.

by JT O'thep on Jan 20, 2010 1:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Every CB who faces him?

"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me

by BStylin Hawkye on Jan 20, 2010 1:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Seriously

Who in the hell is going to cover throw to Michael Floyd?

"I know you're from Middle America, and sometimes you feel like you're representing more than just a school or a conference, maybe an entire group of American citizens out there."

by Twin Cities Hawk on Jan 20, 2010 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

tee hee hee

"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess

by jtothep on Jan 20, 2010 1:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Was that you above?

Just changing the way you write your screen name to fuck with people?

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jan 21, 2010 3:10 PM CST up reply actions  

the JT O'thep name

is just so he can be a not-so secret Domer fan. jtothep is just a run of the mill closet domer.

by The JuggerNitt on Jan 21, 2010 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I fucking hate Notre Dame

But got so much shit for a generous preseason prediction that they would start 4-0 (not that far off), that I had to use an alterscreen to show them how insufferable a real domer in their midst would actually be.

"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess

by jtothep on Jan 21, 2010 10:34 PM CST up reply actions  

look, Domer

get your rocks off while you can. Soon the “New Coach smell” will wear off and you’ll be happy with a 6-6 record

by The JuggerNitt on Jan 20, 2010 6:13 PM CST up reply actions  

"new coach smell"

That is awesome.

The formula for success at Notre Dame is: (A) Win just enough games with the last coach’s recruits to excite the idiotic fanbase, (B) sign huge contract extension, © suck after signing said extension and (D) get fired and collect monumental buyout.

If I could buy stock in Kelly’s buyout, I’d empty out my 401(k).

by Black and Gold on Jan 21, 2010 12:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Not really

They lost Clausen and Tate, plus they will get a new system on offense, and I believe their schedule doesn’t get any easier.

In 100 years, we'll all be dead.

by Flakbait on Jan 20, 2010 1:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Tell me where 6 wins comes out of this schedule.

2010 Notre Dame Football Schedule
Sept. 4 PURDUE
Sept. 11 MICHIGAN
Sept. 18 at Michigan State
Sept. 25 STANFORD
Oct. 2 at Boston College
Oct. 9 PITTSBURGH
Oct. 16 WESTERN MICHIGAN
Oct. 23 at Navy (at Meadowlands – East Rutherford, N.J.)
Oct. 30 TULSA
Nov. 6 Open Date
Nov. 13 UTAH
Nov. 20 ARMY (at Yankee Stadium – Bronx, N.Y.)
Nov. 27 at USC

I see 4 wins, BC, WMU, Tulsa and Army. Maybe a 5th win against Stanford. I just don’t see 6 wins happening.

"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me

by BStylin Hawkye on Jan 20, 2010 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

ND's schedule

I’m not sure that BC is an automatic win. They did take the Domers to the wire in South Bend last season before imploding in a cloud of FAIL. Now they have them at home. I could see Notre Dame losing that game.

I agree that WMU, Tulsa and Army are likely wins. I think USC and Pitt are likely losses. Everything else is a tossup, but if I have to choose between a teams with young returning QBs (MSU, Purdue, Michigan, Stanford) and a Notre Dame team which lost most of its star talent and its “schematic advantage” to the NFL, I don’t think this season bodes well for the Irish.

That said, I think they may have gotten the right guy with Kelly and in three or four years they could be back to nine- and ten-win seasons.

by Abbas_Cincinnatus on Jan 20, 2010 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

They have dominated OD for years

"Well of course, there's nothing better than being American!!!" - Ricky Americanzi, Jan. 5th, 2010

by The Bacon Explosion on Jan 21, 2010 7:42 AM CST up reply actions  

as evidenced by their ability to move up in the polls during these open dates

"Well of course, there's nothing better than being American!!!" - Ricky Americanzi, Jan. 5th, 2010

by The Bacon Explosion on Jan 21, 2010 7:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Well yeah...

…Open Date is a mid-level D-II school.

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jan 21, 2010 3:14 PM CST up reply actions  

ND's 12-3 against them in the last 20 years

I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks

by Adam Jacobi on Jan 22, 2010 12:29 AM CST up reply actions  

If Iowa goes to the NC game....

the ass-fucking, cock-sucking, douche wads from Penn State will first whine and cry, then they will go on like a bunch of Nancy boys at the beauty boutique how it’s been 15 years since Iowa went to the Rose Bowl. God I hate Penn State fans. They are about as useless as tits on a boar. I forget, what was this discussion about?

by Kluginator on Jan 20, 2010 1:22 PM CST reply actions  

Your impression is correct.

Kluginator’s, however…


MORE ZAZZ! I DEMAND MORE ZAZZ!

by Bucketochicken on Jan 20, 2010 2:16 PM CST up reply actions  

What?

I don’t recall anyone at BSD (I can’t speak for other fans) whining about Iowa going ahead of us. And if they were, they were in the minority and they didn’t post much. If anything, there were some who wanted to go ahead of Iowa and pointed out “deserve’s got nothing to do with it”, and there were a few who thought PSU was better, but no one was whining about Iowa going ahead. Hell, we got to play an SEC team.

by ReadingRambler on Jan 20, 2010 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm going to go out on a limb

and say Kluginator is to regular Iowa fans what these so called “ass-fucking (hey, some people are into that), cock-sucking (you do know girls can be fans, too, right?), douche wads (I don’t think you’re supposed to wad them up, but I’m not an expert) from Penn State” fans are to regular Penn State fans.

by The JuggerNitt on Jan 20, 2010 6:17 PM CST up reply actions  

On the field

As long as we beat PSU on the field there really isnt much of an arguement you can make. Our fans travel just as well if not better. the only thing they have is JoePa and tv ratings.

"I believe I have the total package of speed, strength, and explosion," Adrian F@#kin Clayborn

by DportROTCHawki on Jan 20, 2010 2:21 PM CST reply actions  

"and TV ratings"

which (while I’ll be the first to lament how college post-season is based on $ and ratings) is kinda a big deal.

I was definitely in the camp of “can definitely see PSU getting the bid over Iowa, but we don’t deserve it”.

As far as fan travel support, I think we’re both in the realm that there’s no discernible difference between the fan bases. Sure, one group may send 50,000 and other sends 50,001, but for all intents and purposes, both teams are going to sell out their allotment, and oftentimes more, if available.

by The JuggerNitt on Jan 20, 2010 6:20 PM CST up reply actions  

TV ratings must not be THAT big of a deal.

Or the Orange Bowl would have selected PSU over Iowa.

Big junkies come from little junkies.

by RossWB on Jan 20, 2010 8:12 PM CST up reply actions  

perhaps

Though I wonder if there wasn’t all the “controversy” about who would get selected, and all the lobbying from ESPN and the rest of the media, how things would have turned out. I’ve said it before, I am glad with the way things worked out, and thought Iowa should have gotten the bid, but I also wouldn’t have been shocked in the least had PSU received it. There have been many instances where a “lesser” team has gotten a bowl bid over a more deserving team (better record AND head to head win) based on fan base and ratings.

by The JuggerNitt on Jan 21, 2010 3:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Head 2 head is always the most important & im sure thats what they looked at 1st and should

"I believe I have the total package of speed, strength, and explosion," Adrian F@#kin Clayborn

by DportROTCHawki on Jan 20, 2010 10:59 PM CST reply actions  

No. These are bowl games. (1) Asses in seats, (2) hotels rooms full, (3) tv eyeballs, (4) interesting game. That order. On field does not matter.

by txhawkeye on Jan 21, 2010 7:58 AM CST up reply actions  

unfortunatly a lot of times that is the exact order though it should b head2head

"I believe I have the total package of speed, strength, and explosion," Adrian F@#kin Clayborn

by DportROTCHawki on Jan 21, 2010 11:47 AM CST reply actions  

No, tx is dead right

I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks

by Adam Jacobi on Jan 22, 2010 12:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Fox Sports isn't the only one picking Iowa

ESPN’s Ivan “the Tolerable” Maisel has the Hawks facing Boise for the NC in his latest podcast.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Jan 22, 2010 3:00 PM CST reply actions  

That's insane.

This Boise love is cracking me up. They have at least two losses next year. Va Tech will bury them. That is the type of team Boise cannot beat. A big front seven and speed on the back end. Oregon State is a toss up.

"Last year we just self-destructed ... We had possessions [this game]. We just couldn’t get anything going." Paul Johnson on Georgia Tech's loss to Iowa in the Orange Bowl.

by StoopsMyAss on Jan 23, 2010 10:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Word is

that Boise is working on a combination Fake Punt/Statue of Liberty/Fumbleruski/Hook-and-Lateral just for the VaTech game. That’s good for at least two scores, right?

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Jan 23, 2010 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

WE DON'T NEED GIMMICKS TO WIN

except for the fact that we’re always running them.

/OBNUG’d

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Jan 24, 2010 6:55 PM CST up reply actions  

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