OT: admission standards for U of I
I'm about to be a senior in high school, and iowa is one of my top choices, my GPA isn't stellar (or really, good, or even mediocre, okay its piss poor) so i'll be relying on a good SAT and some good extra curriculars and community service (and a whole lot of other stuff that i dont see why a university would give a shit about but my schools college counselor says are important).
So what kind of SAT score do i need to make for U of I?
I'm also applying from texas, so if anybody has some stories or suggestions or anything that would also be appreciated.
thank you,
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In your personal essay
tell your story. They actually read that quite closely. Entrance evaluations are not just number crunching (although numbers are an important part) and Iowa does not want a bunch of clones (pardon the pun) so paint of picture of yourself as unique. I’m sure you have a reason for not performing well in high school but want a good academic challenge and believe you can meet it. Explain yourself in a compelling way in the essay.
Good luck. Oh, and don’t use the phrase “piss poor” when describing yourself on the essay!
"When you don't know that you don't know, it's a lot different than when you do know that you don't know." Bill Parcells
by StoopsMyAss on Jul 29, 2009 7:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Also, try to refrain from starting the essay with "Dear Cunts,"
Seriously though, Stoops gives really good advice there. Let them know why they should take you over the other applicant with the same/similar questionable quantitative qualification quotient.
Alliteration can’t hurt either.
by Bucketochicken on Jul 29, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
common problem
State schools are now oversubscribed because private school tuition and fees are now almost twice average household income in this country (once you realize that they’re paid with after-tax money). One of my children scored 1800+ on his SATs and had a 3.6 with 7 AP classes, while being a national class skier. He couldn’t get into UVa, our state school of choice. His high school is ranked #37 in the country. Does this make sense? Not to me.
The best way I know to manage this problem is to go to a community college, if the state assures admission to the premier state school that you really want, upon successful matriculation at the CC. Sure, one’s parents won’t be able to brag on you for a couple of years, at their cocktail parties, but you’ll save buckets of money, and finish with the degree from SUI that you want, with none of this admissions stress. If they have this system in Iowa I’d check out Kirkwood or someplace like that. No reason why you couldn’t live in IC and start your life while commuting up 380. Then it will just come down to whether or not you have the discipline to excel in the community college classroom, while being on your own for the first time, because, frankly, you should do very well in a CC GPA-wise. But you won’t if you don’t want to spend your evenings with the books.
There’s always a way to get what you want, but sometimes it’s a circuitous road. Good luck and try not to let the dread of admissions rejection get you down. It’s phony and unnecessary. There’s always a way to get what you want.
Then there’s always the military. One of my bests english professors was from an anti-intellectual farm family that didn’t support his academic ambitions. So he went into the Army and secured in-state tuition treatment at a superior state school program, where he had never lived. Don’t know if this is still the rule, or where. But school was a breeze, inexpensive, and largely funded by other people. There’s always a way.
Mr. Boh Knows ...
by Bellanca on Jul 29, 2009 9:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This is awesome advice because it sets up nicely for the advice that I was going to give you
Apply to the University to be considered an Iowa resident. I moved to Iowa City from Kansas City in 2006 to get my Master’s at the U. I had an Iowa driver’s license and a residence in Iowa City, so I paid in-state tuition costs. If you go to Kirkwood or another CC and live in Iowa City, they have to give you in-state tuition prices.
by shada's revenge on Jul 29, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
... and a crazy world
Listen to Bellanca. However, UVA is crazy admission compared to UI (36% of applicants admitted and likely going lower v. 83% of applicants admitted). I looked at your profile, and assuming you’re not goofing and actually go to St. Michaels, you’re in a good private school (we live in Dallas, my kids go to Episcopal School of Dallas – SPC, not TAPPS) in a state that ranks 47th in public education. So, something in your favor. Iowa’s admission standards are decent, but not UT or A&M-like. 2007 UI admission statistics:
14,350 applied, 11,880 admitted, 4,289 enrolled, Average high school GPA 3.56.
SAT Critical Reading: 510 – 660
SAT Math: 560 – 680
Ignoring the essay portion, and assuming your GPA sucks balls, it looks like you want to score 1100+ combined Math and Verbal, with good essays, extracurriculars and recommendations. You’re from a state where you won’t have a ton of admission competition, and they’ll like the OOS tuition.
by txhawkeye on Jul 29, 2009 11:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Most Universities
post the SAT range on their admissions website. I didn’t check the Iowa site.
Bellanca makes a great point, there are really two admission routes for all universities…as a freshman and as a transfer. in addition to going to a JC or CC, you could go to another 4-year college as well, for a year, do really well and then apply. It would not even have to be in Iowa. I was a transfer into Iowa from a small college in Missouri after one semester. I met a girl on a weekend in Iowa City, saw a football game (Iowa 10 Nebraska 7 in 1981, what a game—IMO the spark of the Fry era) but I digress.
I won’t bore you with the reason universities have different admissions expectations for these two populations, just know that if you do not get into Iowa out of HS then definitely try again as a college freshman.
"When you don't know that you don't know, it's a lot different than when you do know that you don't know." Bill Parcells
by StoopsMyAss on Jul 29, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You ready to do some math?!
Here’s the RAI formula that Iowa uses to determine admissions – from here: http://www.uiowa.edu/admissions/undergrad/requirements/rai-page.html
2 x ACT Composite Score (or the SAT Equivalent)
+
1 x High School Percentile Rank
+
20 x High School GPA
+
5 x Number of Core Courses Completed
by High School Graduation
=
RAI Score
Over 255 = You passed!
"Jack Trice Stadium - Easily one of the Top 10 Stadiums in Central Iowa"
by Not Marv Cook on Jul 29, 2009 11:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
According to that formula
I didn’t make it in. They must have been hurting for people that year. Or maybe they wanted extra mediocre students who came in on the basis that C’s get degrees.
It's not that I'm lazy, Bob, it's just that I don't care
by Colteyes on Jul 29, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my school didn't rank, but I was 233 without adding in percentille rank
lots of high level classes
high ACT
mediocre GPA
You think you notice most everything around you, but in reality you're nearly blind to everything outside of your current focus. Hilarious example.
Another
by shake n bake on Aug 1, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If all else fails...
Kirkwood. In Iowa City of course, don’t mess with that CR nonsense. Also, if you get your Associates Degree you can throw a big party for your graduation and invite all your U of I friends who don’t have a degree.
In their faces. That’s how I felt anyways. They probably made fun of me.
by Life as a G on Jul 29, 2009 3:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
Just realized Kirkwood was already brought up. But the graduation party wasn’t, so there.
by Life as a G on Jul 29, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes...
I believe you, Guy Rucker.
by WaterlooChazz on Jul 29, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um...
…are you sure you want to be asking college admission advice from these people?
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by Hawkeye State on Jul 29, 2009 8:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
hey!
He’s at least talking to people that somehow got into the place. Or at least act as though they did.
"When you don't know that you don't know, it's a lot different than when you do know that you don't know." Bill Parcells
by StoopsMyAss on Jul 29, 2009 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait a minute – I got in, and graduated despite my best efforts not to (got called into the Business Dean’s office the week before finals my 5th year and was told I was missing a class because I dropped it – they were so fucking sick of me they just let me graduate). Going through this admission thing now with a daughter who is 180 degrees different than I was at that age is a whole other world. She doesn’t even care about football – even though I’ve made her attend a multitude of Iowa games with me – and is looking at schools where I don’t now and won’t ever care about their sports teams. Pansy east coast schools. She’s happy – I’m not, but will pay anyway.
by txhawkeye on Jul 29, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
up until about two weeks ago
i was basing my decision on which sports teams i could root for and not hate myself, iowa seemed like a good fit,
my parents then informed me they weren’t paying for out of state tuition just so i can go to games at kinnick.
iowa’s journalism program helped all that, so now the hard part is just getting in
Fresh since 1822
by kmacsm on Jul 29, 2009 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I attempted the journalism route
Didn’t quite let me in to the journalism school, but as I stated before, I wasn’t exactly Dean’s List.
It's not that I'm lazy, Bob, it's just that I don't care
by Colteyes on Jul 30, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
did try journalism
as an incoming freshmen, or try and work into it after a couple years?
Fresh since 1822
by kmacsm on Jul 30, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I tried to get into the journalism school
I got denied a couple times, so just minored in it. But now I don’t even do or never really tried to do anything in journalism, it was just a degree to get more or less. I just wanted that coveted piece of paper they call a degree.
It's not that I'm lazy, Bob, it's just that I don't care
by Colteyes on Jul 31, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
About to be a sophomore at Iowa
my GPA wasn’t anything special but a good ACT got me in.
You think you notice most everything around you, but in reality you're nearly blind to everything outside of your current focus. Hilarious example.
Another
by shake n bake on Jul 31, 2009 2:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh and if you are living in IC over the summers
Summer gen ed classes on Kirkwoods’ IC Campus. Just finished my summer session there yesterday. Half the cost of summer classes at UI and there’s a ton of classes offered that will transfer over for gen ed requirements.
If I knew what I knew now (that engineering math is scary and I’d rather go a writing+science route over a math+science route) I’d have done my first 2-3 semesters at K-wood.
You think you notice most everything around you, but in reality you're nearly blind to everything outside of your current focus. Hilarious example.
Another
by shake n bake on Jul 31, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Going into my Freshman year
at Iowa. As you may be able to decipher, I am also from Texas! I’m majoring in English (Creative Writing) and Journalism, and the only suggestions I can make are ones that have already been stated. Make sure you add some spice and vigor to your essay, making a compelling and unique personal story that the regular ole’ in-state kids won’t have. School like Iowa will embrace diversity and anybody who actually wants to live in Iowa from out of state! Also, calculate your GPA and SAT/ACT scores using the formula above, and that will determine automatic acceptance or not. Not sure what your test scores were compared to mine, but I got a 1260 on the SAT and a 29 on the ACT, with a 3.9 GPA. Just send me a message or anything if you have any questions at all, I’d be happy to help!
by south_texas_hawk on Aug 1, 2009 4:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
wow, those are some kick ass grades
but you’re doing creative writing.? wow.
i’d like to learn some more from you.
so shoot me an e-mail please
Fresh since 1822
by kmacsm on Aug 2, 2009 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looking good by comparison
I recommend that you round up 3 or 4 of your dumbest friends and have them apply to Iowa as well. You know, the guys who took nothing but metalshop, woodworking and remedial math and still only managed to graduate by a dickhair. If they’re completely incapable of stringing together coherent thoughts (like many of my high school friends), give them a purple crayon and let them write their own essays. If writing happens to be their strong suit, you may need to do some editing. Insert a few quadruple negatives and be sure to put a comma after any word that ends in “g.” Also try to fit in the word “scrotumsucker” more than once.
Think of it as simplifying the admissions process.
No self-respecting man from Iowa goes anywhere without beer
by Hayden Fry's Moustache Ride on Aug 1, 2009 11:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
There is no admission essay needed for applying to the University of Iowa. What are you guys talking about??
by IowaFan08 on Aug 2, 2009 1:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If an essay is not required
include two then!
"When you don't know that you don't know, it's a lot different than when you do know that you don't know." Bill Parcells
by StoopsMyAss on Aug 2, 2009 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
its not absolutly required,
but if you don’t meet the automatic admissions standards, then u can submit a personal essay and two letters of review, its called. “individual review”
Fresh since 1822
by kmacsm on Aug 3, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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