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James Ferentz, Zach Derby, Tyler Christensen Reinstated

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Remember that whole debate over whether James Ferentz and his band of vaguely thuggish-looking friends should be excommunicated from the program for being wicked drunk, breaking a parking lot gate, and starting a fight with an off-duty cop?  Well, The Decider has weighed in.  Per ESPN.com:

The son of Iowa head coach Kirk Ferentz and two other Hawkeyes players have been reinstated after being suspended in April.

Kirk Ferentz said Wednesday that center James Ferentz, tight end Zach Derby and fullback Tyler Christensen are all back on the team. The three players were cited by campus police for public intoxication April 6 and indefinitely suspended from the team.

After sitting out all of spring practice, the three players are back for summer workouts.

"I'm just hoping we can all move on here," Kirk Ferentz told reporters Wednesday in Iowa City. "This has hardly been the crime of the century. For that to make front-page news in a major publication, it's a great state we live in."

I agreed with Captain Kirk that James had been cited for two generally bullshit offenses; possession under the legal age and public intox tickets are handed out in Iowa City like Viagra prescriptions in Boca Raton.  While I think creating a de facto "3 strikes" rule for minor offenses is a little dangerous, I can't disagree with KF's decision.  I don't have a problem with him blowing off the charges as "hardly the crime of the century," either.  He's right, after all.

No, where I take umbrage with The Captain is where he takes a sarcastic swipe at media coverage of the arrest in the state of Iowa: "For that to make front-page news in a major publication, it's a great state we live in."  Look, there's no doubt that, were Ferentz coaching in the NFL or a major city, his son's arrest for two relatively minor alcohol-related offenses would make the papers (maybe not the front page of the DMR, but certainly SportsCenter).  Just ask Andy Reid how that works.  Kirk turned down such offers to stay and coach at Iowa, where he's the head coach of the only game in town.  It's not as if he doesn't know this, either; he acknowledged as much on ESPN's College Gameday last week:

It’s just a great place to be. I grew up in Pittsburgh, Pa. I first came out here in 1981. I think what I first learned, I think everyone knows in Pittsburgh, it’s a Steelers’ town. What I learned in ‘81 — and it’s clearly the truth since that time — is the Hawkeyes are the Steelers of this state. We have great fan interest from border to border. We don’t have any professional teams here at all. That gives us a nice market. I don’t think anybody’s got better fans, more loyal fans, than the University of Iowa.

If you are going to accept the positives of coaching at Iowa - financial incentives that guarantee you more money than God; almost-certain job security at even the slightest hint of continued success (which he has far surpassed); fawning reverence from those loyal fans; low national media attention; regional/local media that kowtows to your mere presence - you have to accept the negatives.  You are, in essence, the head coach of the only professional franchise in the state (especially true now that men's basketball is toast and Iowa State is still Iowa State), and you subject yourself and your family to that microscope.  It's only amplified by the fact that your team has a recent history of legal trouble, your son is playing for the team, and your other son got into his own set of shenanigans while playing for you.  To crack wise about the local media for covering the story as national papers cover similar stories involving NFL coaches is asking to have the cake and eat it too.

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Spotlight too bright on this one.

HS, I generally agree with you that KF must accept a higher degree of scrutiny. However, in this case, I think he has justification to be annoyed. I have trouble reconciling the inconsistency between the extremely minor charges and the resulting media attention received. Along those lines, I think your analogy to Reid’s sons is a stretch. Reid’s kids, if I remember correctly, were hit with at least one DWI, a road rage incident and various drug possession charges. I think the media coverage may have been legit if James got popped for a bunch of weed or vicodin in his dorm room, beat someone up, or got a DWI. But, as you point out, James got nailed for the two most minor and most common offenses in IC. With all the shit going on in the world, a story like this is front-paged solely for shock value. Finally, as Morehouse points out, KF was there to address the state of the team. While such questions certainly are fair, I can see how he gave maybe a more flipant response than would otherwise be expected.

Iowa Basketball: We don't rebuild, we implode.

by three and out the kok story on Jun 17, 2009 6:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Maybe I'm wrong here

But I took it to mean that Iowa is really a great state to live in since we don’t have the crime, violence, turmoil, etc. that would normally capture front-page headlines, but instead are concerned about minor alcohol related offenses and football. It just doesn’t seem to be KF’s style to be sarcastic about the state he has praised on so so many occasions.

Don't throw rocks at the throne.

by Stone Cold on Jun 17, 2009 6:40 PM CDT reply actions  

I hadn't considered it that way

I suppose it’s possible, but when he essentially told the press to get a life, to then say “isn’t it great we live here where this is an important story?” just doesn’t seem right.

You are correct on one thing, though: I can’t ever remember Ferentz being bitingly sarcastic. So maybe you’re right.

storminspank: "Or we could join you can take our pants off."

by Patrick Vint on Jun 17, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

For the record,

Morehouse (who may or may not have been there; he usually makes the press conferences) read the full non-edited comment as a shot at the media:

Coach Ferentz expressed displeasure with the media attention the arrests have earned.

"This was hardly the crime of the century," he said. "This isn’t quite up there with the Brinks’ truck. Wow, it’s a great state we live in. For that to make frontpage news in a major publication, it’s a great state we live in."

storminspank: "Or we could join you can take our pants off."

by Patrick Vint on Jun 17, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's actually the one who asked the question that provoked that quote

I agree with his interpretation too, and didn’t see it as a shot at the state of Iowa at all.

by NorseHawk on Jun 17, 2009 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

That is also how I read it

In fact, I was rather surprised to see people taking offense to it. But now that I see how they read it I can see why they would be upset. But I don’t think that is what KF was saying.

by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jun 18, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

another theory

State: things sound different when said aloud and live, vs. when read transcript-style on a piece of paper. Perhaps he was smiling and shaking his head as he said it. If you weren’t in the room, you don’t really know.*

  • I wasn’t in the room either, so I also do not know.

by everloyal on Jun 17, 2009 9:18 PM CDT reply actions  

"state" means Iowa

Lately, (in the last couple years especially), KF has been mentioning what a great state Iowa is to live in, work in, and raise kids in. Therefore, I am betting he meant Iowa is the great state we all live in, where there are few enough problems that when his son is acting like a numbskull, it would make front page news. The “major publication” bit was probably directed at any paper that put James’s stupidity on the front page or in an article, instead of in a police log or daily record, where it would show up when the person is not a son of a major state employee.

On a side note, if you don’t live in Iowa City (as I do not), you may feel like the assaults and muggings and seeming tension between natives and people who recently moved there are making for an atmosphere that is trending a bit negatively. So, I can see why the Press-Citizen might feel like it has to report on the coach’s son just like it would about some idiot who punched someone on the ped-mall.

I don’t have a big problem if the P-C wants to report this with a headline. However, I would think the Register, the Gazette, and any other media outlet should have more important things to report. You know, like ash-borer larvae, or celebrity birthdays.

by WaterlooChazz on Jun 17, 2009 10:19 PM CDT reply actions  

The State of Liminality

The thing that is frustrating Ferentz here, I am betting, is not the state of Iowa but the state of liminality. And, yes, that this has received too much local media coverage. That is an argument that no serious person would contest. It has received an awful lot of coverage, not remotely commensurate with the actual event. There are too many misdemeanor arrests in Iowa City to cover and believe me that gymnasts, swimmers, baseball players, field hockey playes have all been cited this year, to no coverage whatsoever. This much coverage would be more appropriate to Pierre Pierce shit or a crime that is unequivocally a felony.

No, this is a parent talking here, not the head coach of Iowa. This is a parent lamenting an American phenomenon of college campuses, and athletes in particular, every year. These athletes are the ultimate liminal entities, considered BOTH boys and men and the media and fans and college administrators see it whichever way best suits their agenda. James Ferentz is a boy to the Iowa athletic department who house him in special housing, feed him, rule him and benefit from his expertise to the tune of millions of dollars. To fans he is an adult—my God he is so big and strong and able bodied they think…he is manly. To the press though, he is both and they love to play it both ways.

Ferentz is saying that his son is not an adult here. And on this issue, the law is clear. He is not of legal age. The law is clear, he is not fully maturated and deserving of the right to make his own choice about whether to purchase and consume alcohol publicly. And, if the law is clear that his is NOT an adult, then why, thinks Kirk Ferentz, is the press reporting on this as though he is an adult. We protect children in this country, he is thinkinig, and he is arguing that his son thus should be given ALL the rights we afford children, or in his son’s case teens, who make a bad choice. In America we treat children differently than we do adults because we assume that this period of life is precisely about learning from mistakes, after having made them. Children deserve a bubble of protection as they awkwardly figure the world out. Adults, on the other hand, are expected to know better having passed (or failed) their period of trials and tests. Kirk Ferentz is frustrated that the press treats his son as though he is a fully matured adult and should know better, and should face the music for not knowing better.

The double standard is the problem for Ferentz. Pure and simple.

The press plays these things to their advantage all the time. Meaning, they play it in the most sensationalistic way. Media in America are privatized, they needs to generate revenues to exist. They need readers and viewers to carry on. Sensationalism sells. And even the best journalists succumb to the harsh economic reality of the BUSINESS of news in their reporting. Regardless of your politics on when a person deserves full adult treatment or to be shielded from it, you cannot deny the lack of consistency on the issue of alcohol.

Twenty-five or more years ago if you were the age of James Ferentz you would be been legally drunk if you were over 19 years of age. I was on campus in 1981 when Mark Bortz got drunk and went bow hunting at the student union pond for ducks, in mid-afternoon. He killed, as I recall, several. The police drove him home to sleep it off. He was 19 years old. He had gone to a ritual event downtown outside a bar where the band of the evening tuned their instruments and then played a practice session and the public got in for free and got drunk. Half the crowd had classes in the late afternoon after the session; it was COMMON, if not a ritual, to return to classes three sheets to the wind. My professor confronted me one day after having done so to say, “Jesus what a waste of good tuition money.” In my case, I never did it again. The Bortz issue was commonly known on campus, and not reported by anyone.

Ferentz is neither a boy nor an adult, and so he gets — simultaneously — the best and worst of both of those worlds. That is what is frustrating here for Kirk Ferentz. Like most football coaches, he lives in a world of absolutes, clear rules and unequivocable expectations. His ability to enforce them can be the difference between winning and losing. So, regardless your feelings about alcohol and drunkenness, you cannot deny that both Ferentz’s have a legit beef here.

  • Liminality – the transitional period where things are ambiguous.

"When you don't know that you don't know, it's a lot different than when you do know that you don't know." Bill Parcells

by StoopsMyAss on Jun 18, 2009 8:04 AM CDT reply actions   2 recs

Wow, Stoopsy, that was excellent.

Best thing I’ve read about this whole situation and its like. Very, very well-said. Thanks.

by Bucketochicken on Jun 18, 2009 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Someone ate his Wheaties this morning

Well put, Stoops, old chap.

storminspank: "Or we could join you can take our pants off."

by Patrick Vint on Jun 18, 2009 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

That wasn't Bellanca?

Shit – I saw the full page of text and assumed it was Bellanca. Not that it matters – that was dead-on excellent.

by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Jun 18, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I love it when

I’m a little better for having read something. Great, smart post.

by hdhawk on Jun 18, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well written

I may or may not be a target here, but that’s an excellent argument. Unlike The Germs, what I do is not secret.

My only intention yesterday was to get on record that James was indeed on the team for next fall. That’s all. I didn’t play it up like “Watergate.” I didn’t use the word “reinstate,” because I’m not sure they were ever really away from the team.

To me, they’re “players.” I’m not a lawmaker. I don’t even know how old half these guys are. If they’re “players,” what they do is news — whether it’s signing an LOI, kicking a winning field goal or getting pinched for public intox. We aren’t able to talk to freshman, I believe, for exactly what Stoops is writing about here. Ferentz doesn’t want them consumed by the circus before they can form a foundation as a college student. I’ve written a hundred times that I’m OK with that. Sucks for me, but I believe that’s a sound philosophy. The one thing that shoots that to hell is arrests. Once you’re on the grid, it’s out there and there’s no way to author it.

Another great point is the amount of scrutiny these arrests receive. If it were up to me, PAULAs wouldn’t be in the paper. Pub intox arrests would be a paragraph. Felonies would be a big headline. But it’s not up to me. Competition has driven this to madness. I’m forced to engage in this. I try to play it down, but that’s where we’re at in 2009. If the Bortz thingie happened now, it’d lead every TV newscast in the state, be a gigantic headline in every newspaper and be fodder for the radio talkshows we do have here.

I hope this makes sense. It’s not nearly as elegant as Stoops’ post. And I hope readers don’t think I go into news conferences looking to stir sh** up. I do actually want to know about football. I want to know what happened at QB at Pitt. I know the questions I ask aren’t always going to be popular — fans revere the Hawkeyes and Kirk Ferentz — but please know that they’re asked respectfully with an eye toward eliciting information. I don’t ask questions to get my name out there or to make my presence felt. Frankly, I don’t need the agita.

I’m always open to discussion here http://marcmwm.wordpress.com/ or via e-mail, marc.morehouse@gazcomm.com.

Now, can we get back to the poop jokes and Paterno secretary?

"I always like it better when the clowns seem to try to be happy."

by MarcMorehouse on Jun 18, 2009 1:08 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Also very well-written/well-said.

Thanks Marc. No one (no one rational, anyway) thinks you’re the bad guy here. In fact, there really aren’t any “bad guys” here. The reality of the situation is just that – the reality. No more, no less. It is what it is. Being a good journalist, you are saddled with asking those questions, and KF is saddled with having to answer them. And, being human, sometimes those saddled with the task of having to ask/answer those tough questions get irritated. And that’s ok too.

Christ, at least we had something footballishesque to talk about for a few hours…

by Bucketochicken on Jun 18, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

No grudges here

Marc I think professionally you had to ask that question. I don’t think YOU were being sensationalist when you asked it either. I think your intentions were to get to the heart of the matter and share it with the public. All very pure to me.

I think the broader issue of media coverage has shifted over the years however, and that in a way was one of my points. There is considerably more effort to report “feelings” rather than “facts” or at best very often, facts wrapped inside a blanket of talk about feelings. Perhaps we should all blame Oprah or Mary Hart (of Entertainment Tonight fame) for bluring the line between what we used to call NEWS and ENTERTAINMENT. Journalists often tell me (I am vaguely in the media myself) that they hate this kind of an environment.

But I am in awe of the number of stories we talk about on this blog and are reported on various reputable news sites about athletes getting drunk and doing something dumb, in most cases not hurtful to anyone but themsleves…the Tucker story for exmaple took up scads of space. However, we never see stories of the non-revenue producing athlete fucking up. If these football players took home a check and had union type rights, then okay. But they don’t and so tmaybe they deserve to be protected a bit. Not from the law mind you, or from reprucussions for thier actions toward others, but from the media scrutiny.

Anyway, I more interested personally in the social issue at stake here. Where we see these boys as men and then turn around the next moment and see these men as boys, it’s fucking confusing as hell to them I would bet. I know this much for sure, according to my own definition on the matter, I thought I was a man when I was at Iowa in the early 1980s, but I now know I was not. At best I was an advanced adolescent. My parents paid part of my tuition, I looked to them for the sort of approvals no man ever would, and they expected me to respond to their opinons—and I did. The rub here is that I was legally drinking at 19 and did not live at home and I did my own laundry.

I guess that is why this liminal period is often fraught with frustration for college students. You can’t win for losing….well, sometimes. I did like my parents helping on the tuition front. They never asked for a repayment. So that was cool. They also bought me a used Rambler for me when I graduated.

Thanks all for the nice feedback on the post too!

"When you don't know that you don't know, it's a lot different than when you do know that you don't know." Bill Parcells

by StoopsMyAss on Jun 18, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know about Oprah, et al

I would say it’s more due to the advent of cable, CNN, the interwebs, and the 24-hour news cycle. That, and the change in the news industry from being purposefully non-profit to a profitized institution. News depts (on TV, anyway), used to lose money – and it was more or less set up that way intentionally. Now though, with the passage of the Telecom Act of 1996 that deregulated so much of the industry and the rules governing its control, news has become profit-driven, and thus, much more sensationalized and Foxified.

by Bucketochicken on Jun 18, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Men/boys notion

This could end up in a strange Google search, not that there’s anything wrong with that.

I really do think it’s great debate. Bottomline, you’re right, they aren’t adults, not like we are. They don’t have the same responsibilities. They won’t make the same decisions that we’d make and they face very different decisions than we face now (and then, I’m sure, with the rise of the thong and IC’s 18-year-old hootenany bar laws).

There’s something that comes with putting on a football uniform. Is that a strong argument on my end? No, but that’s all I’ve got. When I started this beat in 1999 (and a little before that in DBQ), I didn’t know when walk-ons were arrested (I can think of one specific example but I’m leaving him out because I really liked and respected the kid and his family). A few years ago, a walk-on got his mug in one of the papers after an alcohol arrest. Never played a meaningful down. Is that Mary Hart, TMZ? Is it the “watchdog” function? More the former than the latter, I’m afraid. I’d look stupid to argue that any other way.

I hope I shed some light on my decision-making and POV in these types of matters. You have some strong feelings on the subject and articulate them well.

BTW, my mom and dad got me a $500 Saab 900 when I graduated. Great car, for about a week.

"I always like it better when the clowns seem to try to be happy."

by MarcMorehouse on Jun 18, 2009 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it's most important to note

That, ladies’ rowing team alternate or starting QB, 25 years ago, none of this would be news.

We live in a time when we expect our heroes to be supermen, when they are just young men, doing things that young men do.

Is redshirt freshman PAULA of the month in the wrong? Maybe. Is he breaking the law? Sure. Is he doing anything that is unethical, immoral, or damaging to the fabric of our society? Doubtful.

Should we care? No. Do we? Obviously, someone does, because these stories keep showing up in regional and sometimes national news.

Me, let me know if any of the guys get in a car. THAT shit is worth publicly humiliating them. But if they want to have a few too many underage drinkies with their buddies, who cares, as long as they can walk home or have a designated.

by rockyh on Jun 18, 2009 6:05 PM CDT reply actions  

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