Someone Please Make Rick Chandler Stop Talking
You folks read Deadspin? You know the Deadspin? You know it's kinda started to suck now that they'll literally print anything you send them if it's salacious enough, even if there's probably not an ounce of truth to it? Well, somehow, their standards are getting worse.
Step 1: Retarded, or just lazy?
Rick Chandler wrote an article burying the Indiana Hoosiers for all eternity based on the fact that they'd just lost their 18th game of the season, a feat unmatched in Hoosier history. It included such eye-crossers as calling Bloomington a "sleepy backwater" and asking "what multi-talented player is going to go there to play for Tom Crean?"
Step 2: The Internet facepalms
I really don't know where to start on the reactions, but I suppose for the sake of brevity we'll limit it to the Postmen. Note the thoroughness of the takedowns and the startling breadth of wrongness displayed by Chandler. Can one man truly fuck the facts up this badly? All signs point to yes:
Ryan:
First off, Bloomington was just ranked one the best college towns in the nation by quality of life, according to Forbes. I have indeed been to Bloomington, and it’s pretty much my favorite place on Earth. Rick should visit sometime. Once the weather turns in the spring, it’s quite lovely.
I’m not sure what qualifies as sleepy backwaters to Chandler, but perhaps someone should tell him how well a team like DePaul (in Chicago) compared to a team like Kansas (in Lawrence) is doing this season and get back to him about the whole “system thing.”
Finally, the last question: "What multi-talented player is going to go there to play for Tom Crean?" That's a tough one. Fortunately, there's this thing called Rivals. They track recruiting. Because of this service, I can give you the names, positions, and 2009 recruiting ranks of such multi-talented players as: SF Christian Watford (34), SG Maurice Creek (59), SF Derek Elston (98), PG Jordan Hulls (106), C Bawa Muniru (111). That's good for the eighth-ranked class in 2009; all five players will be on campus this fall. Why, it's almost as if multi-talented high schoolers want to play for Tom Crean.
Step 3: The Deadpire strikes back
Not content with his portrayal in the vivisections above, Chandler sought to repair his image by detailing his infatuation with Bob Knight and a deep, intricate knowledge of the history of Indiana basketball. He even explains how he "gets it" the way Bob Knight "gets it" and that's how he got an interview with Knight or something. Fine, we suppose, but the article closes on a rather regrettable boast (emphasis ours):
So if I’m wrong about Crean and Indiana, I’ll be the first to say so, and the Hoosier Reds will be on me. But be aware that you’re in my wheelhouse on this one. I’ve been watching the situation for more than 20 years. And I’ve been taking notes.
Step 4: Drago vs. Creed, Round 2
You guys remember how Drago vs. Creed went, right? Here, put on this video, then keep reading:
Oh god. Oh god, I'm so sorry. Stop that one immediately. I hope you didn't have to hear more than, like, 20 seconds of that. Please forgive me, then watch this, then read on:
That's the only appropriate metaphor for what Chandler got himself into, because I can't remember the last time I read as efficient and yet still thorough takedown as what The Hoosier Report delivered. Here's a taste:
Wow, thanks, Rick! I've lived in Indiana for nearly all of my life, but you used to show up for a few days a year, and you took notes! Please, educate me about my home state and my alma mater. Unfortunately, Chandler's mea culpa contains nearly as much bullshit as the first:
[...] He then tries to backpedal on the "backwater" comments: "what I mean by basketball backwater is that the Hoosiers will always take a back seat to Duke and North Carolina and UCLA and even Wake Forest and UConn." Come on, Rick. If you are going to strike an apologetic pose, stop bullshitting us! By backwater, you meant that you think Bloomington, because it's a small somewhat out-of-the-way town, would be a tough place to attract blue chip talent. That's why you said, "Have you been to Bloomington? What multi-talented player is going to go there to play for Tom Crean?" I would respect you more if you had the courage of your convictions, Rick. I think it's a stupid point (explain to me what makes Lawrence and Storrs and Chapel Hill and Durham and Winston-Salem and East Lansing so much more inherently attractive), but we know exactly what you meant, and respect you less for not admitting it.
THR also points out a litany of really, really bad factual errors that nobody who proclaims himself as being in his "wheelhouse" should ever make, but you can visit his site for those. Suffice it to say, though, that maybe Rick Chandler should never, ever try to talk about Indiana basketball again.
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Yeah thats bad
I’ve actually never been on deadspin until today, where I read this completely unsupported and uninteresting post by the associate editor or someone…
so I ask, what the hell is deadspin supposed to be? Funny? Interesting? How could the associate editor of a supposedly major website get away with writing this article?
by grahamfiller10 on Feb 18, 2009 8:46 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
As I said when I was emailed that article yesterday...
I would like to someday thank Daulerio, Chandler and Gawker Media as a whole for opening up 30 minutes of my day by making deadspin such a piece a shit I am no longer motivated to visit.
If you ain't first, you're last
by three and out the kok story on Feb 18, 2009 8:59 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
as much as we had hopes that chandler ascending into the hallowed bosom of the deadspin heirarchy would bring some much needed coverage of college athletics to it’s creamy white homepage – it’s been a fiasco. this approach to his “beat” has been the norm, not the exception and it’s not like it started just recently either.
his take to alabama’s resurgence during last year’s season was very similar to this asinine broadside (maybe it’s teams who wear crimson?) and it only got worse as tennessee tanked harder and harder. everyone brushed it aside at the time because we are Bama fans – which is understandable – but that doesn’t mean we were wrong on this one.
i’m not asking for objectivity, just creativity and having a decent point or two. being contrarian for the sake of it is the last refuge of the bad sports writer. it’s like he’s desperately striving for a seat on the sports reporters or, god forbid, cold pizza.
he’s not as much a misogynist as chandler or – god forbid – drew. and he’s not as infatuated by his own bodily functions and percieved self-importance as daulerio but fits in well on a site whose raison de etre seems to be posting pictures of half-clad drunk jeff reed and acting like there is some sort of novelty to it.
by kleph on Feb 18, 2009 9:01 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
and pouring out shit like this isn’t helping either.
by kleph on Feb 18, 2009 10:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was confused until I realized you were talking about Clay Travis, not Rick Chandler
But, yeah, Travis was annoying on Deadspin.
If I want to read about how the SEC is the awesomest thing since the wheel, I can get my fill at EDSBS, where they’re at least funny.
by RossWB on Feb 18, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, i made the mistake of confusing them in that post above for some reason. my level of loathing for them both is about the same but for quite different reasons.
by kleph on Feb 18, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've almost stopped posting on Deadspin entirely
It was great when I discovered it back in 2007 – the Stephan A. Smith Hecklers brought me to it. It was beautiful when the commenting was limited to us privileged few – but the combination of Will leaving and every Facebooker being allowed to comment has watered Deadspin down to the point where it’s not worth the time. I still check it out of habit, but there’s no point to it. I hate having to wade through the comments to find one worth a guffaw.
In regards to Rick’s post – responding to his original post on Indiana was the first time I’d posted a comment on Deadspin in months. It was so entirely dismissive and short-sighted. And his follow-up only made him sound more dumb – yeah, it was a more thorough explanation, but all it proved was that he JUST NOW realized that Bobby Knight wasn’t going to coach at Indiana again.
Deadspin has jumped the shark.
by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Feb 18, 2009 9:41 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Isn't Deadspin run by Illini fans?
That might explain some of it. A lot of them (their online personae, anyway) and their attitudes toward anything involving Indiana, Tennessee (more specifically, Bruce Pearl), Kansas (more specifically Bill Self), Michigan and Iowa remind me pretty much exactly of ISU fans’ attitudes toward all things Iowa. Just utter, blind hatred and little brother syndrome “why won’t anyone pay attention to meeeeeeeeeeee” contempt.
Anyway, that might explain things a little.
Or not.
Whatever. I gave up on Deadspin a long time ago.
by Bucketochicken on Feb 18, 2009 9:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
no. former editor will leitch was an illini alum. chandler arrived after his exit. and not to mourn for the “good old days” but the site has noticably changed since leitch’es departure. as snarky as it used to be, there was always a sense of enjoyment about it – it was written and read by people who loved sports. now it’s just being mean for the sake of being mean.
if i want to immerse myself in shadenfreud over a-rod’s admissions i’ve got any number to newspaper columnists available via googlenews to read. if i want to read about idiotic rich people behaving badly i can give TMZ a gander. if i want entertaining coverage of sports with a slight dollop of smartass and a witty turn of phrase to boot – i’m better off just wandering around the SB Nation sites for a half-hour or so.
by kleph on Feb 18, 2009 10:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Right on, thanks for the clarification.
Like I said, I gave up on it awhile ago, as it had stopped being well-written and/or funny.
by Bucketochicken on Feb 18, 2009 10:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not that I disagree with your overall point, re: Deadspin's demise
But I could swear that Chandler was there prior to Leitch’s exit. He gained a lot more prominence/responsibility with Leitch’s exit, but I’m positive he was around posting snarky stories about dumb shit while Leitch was still there.
by RossWB on Feb 18, 2009 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that's right
Chandler was associate editor with Leitch. I don’t know if he got passed over or simply declined the big chair, but he’s been in that spot since (more or less) the beginning of Deadspin.
storminspank: "Or we could join you can take our pants off."
by Hawkeye State on Feb 19, 2009 9:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he did the infamous “with leather” post, if i’m not mistaken.
by kleph on Feb 19, 2009 10:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Deadspin's dead, baby. Deadspin's dead.
I was a hardcore deadspinner for about 6 months. It’s where OPS and I fell in love. I haven’t commented there in nearly a year and haven’t read it since Leitch left. The beginning of the end was when they allowed mooks to comment and handed the reigns to Suss on weekends. Like anything else, it was great until too many people found out how great it was, then it wasn’t great anymore.
by jebushchrist on Feb 18, 2009 10:36 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
it’s almost like daulerio is determined to repeat his record of success as an editor for gawker media.
by kleph on Feb 18, 2009 10:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think we can blame the failure of Deadspin on Daulerio. He has a hand in it, since he’s at the wheel as it careens off the road, but at least I find him amusing. I think the problem is, when Leitch was there, he came across as a guy who loved sports, and found immense humor in the intricacies of the men and women who played them. He never came across as an “expert” and he allowed the humor to come from his commenters. Chandler tries to come across as an expert and he seems convinced he’s the funniest guy in the room. He’s neither. A site is only as good as the people running the show. The subject matter and humor (hopefully) trickles down to the commentariat.
by jebushchrist on Feb 18, 2009 11:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i wouldn’t even give him “amusing” but, for the sake of argument, lets assume he is. so, is that the bar to be set for a website that pretty much defined the sports zeitgeist we revel in?
by kleph on Feb 18, 2009 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I already said Deadspin was dead and a failure (see:above). I just don’t think the blame can be put on Daulerio. I think the blame lies on Leitch (for leaving) and Gawker (for turning it into a tabloid.) Clearly, the bar for everyone to strive for is BHGP. Everyone knows that.
by jebushchrist on Feb 18, 2009 12:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
actually i thought fanhouse was the bar we are all striving for now.
by kleph on Feb 18, 2009 1:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that reminds me
http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1712797
I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks
by Oops Pow Surprise on Feb 18, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Blogs are fragile
The points above about Deadspin are, well, “dead” on. Rick and Daulerio just don’t have the subtleness that Will seemed to have. Add that to Gawker’s insistence on changing the sites’ commenting guidelines and designs every three weeks, and you see how fragile a blog is and how easily you can smother it with your attention.
Denton, Daluerio, and Chandler are JoJo the Idiot Circus Boy with a pretty new pet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuVRY9PgQ30
As odd as it seems to type about a “blogger”, Will had a sense of his own journalistic ethics, and would appear when asked to defend them. I could never see Daulerio being able to do that.
by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Feb 18, 2009 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes to all of that.
It was obvious that Leitch had a nuanced, off-angle way of enjoying sports and society.
The mashed potatoes is trying to be the steak. And mashed potatoes is alright, but it ain’t no steak.
--
Mr. Bob Dobalina
by Run Up The Score on Feb 18, 2009 8:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not that I want to ever defend IU...
Not that I’d ever defend IU (or admit anything at the Hoosier Report is worthwhile) but I’d have to…. agree. To make that point about Crean and “who’s going to come play for him?” is just stupid on so many levels… leave alone the fact that it’s IU and for some reason kids DO want to play there (if you grew up in southern Indiana, you still want to), but let’s look at Crean’s record at Marquette…. the dude was an excellent recruiter to get people to come up to uglytown, Wisconsin, for Crist’s sake! He got Dwayne Wade to come there… just as a for instance. And made Marquette relevant. So obviously, he can do that at IU. Even I know that, and I went to Purdue.
[insert prophetic yet obnoxiously haughty and annoying quote here]
by J Money BS on Feb 18, 2009 11:21 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
God, I miss when Deapspin was a must read
I can’t even begin to estimate how much time I wasted reading it during my freshman year. I started to give up on it when they first allowed comments (which were almost universally horrible within like a month), and then Leitch leaving gave me an excuse to stop for good.
by NorseHawk on Feb 18, 2009 9:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well, understand this
Without Deadspin comments, there’s definitely no BHGP. The commentariat of 2006 was the Oort Cloud from which many, many blogs now fly through your browser.
It’s a different site now, intensely more pageview driven and without the quirky-but-fair sensibilities that pervaded every post when Leitch was there. Nowadays, the old commenters spend their time at their own blogs, the new commenters don’t know each other, and the site has devolved into exactly what Buzz Bissinger falsely accused Will Leitch of. It’s incredibly unfortunate.
I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks
by Oops Pow Surprise on Feb 18, 2009 9:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There were certainly some funny commentators
You guys, the KSK crew, etc. But for the most part there were 10 horrible comments for every decent one, and given the sheer volume of comments they got, that was pretty painful to read after awhile. It’s definitely gotten way worse since, but I can’t remember every really enjoying them outside of a few select posters. Deadspin was at it’s best when it was just Leitch writing. Once the comments started to drive the site, it definitely went downhill.
by NorseHawk on Feb 18, 2009 10:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There seems to be a pattern
Once a “new media” outlet becomes big enough, it loses its touch and becomes somewhat of a parody of itself. ESPN was once snarky and different, but it became mainstream and lost it. Deadspin is following a similar path.
I just shiver thinking that Buzz Bissinger is kinda right.
by Angle's Dangle on Feb 19, 2009 9:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
nobody ever said bissinger wasn’t smart, just a douchnozzle.
by kleph on Feb 19, 2009 9:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, the good ol' days
I remember when you didn’t have to wade through 10 disemvoweled facebooker comments along with 20 very unfunny puns to find something actually funny in the comments.
I’ll still show up for the Chicago Pants Party again if I’m in town though. Always fun to meet some of the Minnesota fans that I give crap about for the Twins and Gophers. Leitch doing live band karakoe was classic, he turned into a punk madman.
That IU post was so bad even I felt compelled to say something, and I could give a crap about IU basketball, I’m too busy watching my own team miss 30 three pointers a game (well, except last night, because even when playing terribly, this school year Michigan teams still beat Minnesota)
by Yinka Double Dare on Feb 20, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What are you all talking about?
How can Deadspin be such shit when Time magazine says it’s one of the best blogs of 2009? Huh? I mean, come on, TIME magazine? I don’t know who to believe anymore.
by icculus on Feb 18, 2009 11:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
looking around SB Nation...
…maybe this kind or horseshit is just chandler’s schtick.
by kleph on Feb 19, 2009 9:20 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
He’s a real champion of literature. He also takes shots at MMA when a fighter kills himself. Classy guy, The Rick.
by jebushchrist on Feb 19, 2009 9:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you know, i've missed you jebus...
…the hate is always more delicious when you’re around.
by kleph on Feb 19, 2009 10:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is just awkward now
I can’t say I missed you. I will allow you to miss me though. It’s the least I can do.
by jebushchrist on Feb 19, 2009 11:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oh stop....
…you can do less than that, i’m sure of it.
by kleph on Feb 19, 2009 11:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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