Bowl Execs Talk Iowa/Idaho
Location: Elmer's Pancake and Steakhouse in Boise, Idaho.
Date: Saturday morning, December 5, 2009 around 9:00am.
Scenario: Eric Poms, Chief Executive for the Orange Bowl selection committee, and John Junker, his counterpart for the Fiesta Bowl, are in town to watch Boise State play its final game of the season against New Mexico State. They run into each other at the local restaurant.
Eric Poms: ...and I'll have the triple stack of potato pancakes. What do you put on those by the way? Syrup, sour cream, butter? Because...
John Junker: Eric Poms! Is that you, you Florida cuss?
Eric Poms: Hey Junker! I thought I might see you this weekend.
John Junker: Son, do NOT get the potato pancakes. Those babies will block you up like Phoenix rush hour traffic. Get the Mexican Omelet and sprinkle it with this here.
[Junker holds up a bottle of tobasco]
It'll keep you clean as a whistle. Ma'am, would you kindly order us two Mexi omelets, one with extra green peppers, and I'll have some coffee. Mr. Poms, you'll thank me around 1 o'clock this afternoon. Mind if I join ya?
Eric Poms: Please do. I'll have a coffee too and some fresh squeezed orange juice.
Waitress: Alls we got here is frozen mister.
Eric Poms: I'll just have the coffee then, and maybe some water.
John Junker: So you looking at Boise are ya?
Eric Poms: Gotta look, right?
John Junker: Yeah, came up here in '06 before we got ‘em for the Oklahoma game.
Eric Poms: That's right...that was a great game.
John Junker: Well, Okie just shat themselves and played like a dog. We thought Boise could maybe last three quarters and make it look good enough, and we knew it was the right thing to do. But ‘ol Stoops there, well, he just can't get out of his own way. They bring a helluva crowd them Okies though.
Eric Poms: Yeah, how were your numbers for that one anyway?
John Junker: Ticket sales were fine. Like I say, the Okies will buy you out of house and home if it'll get ‘em the fifty-yard line. I think the whole God damned state of Oklahoma might of showed to be honest. But, them TV ratings were ‘nother story, second lowest ratings in the BCS era for us...right behind Utah and Pitt in '05. Good God were those awful bowl teams.
Eric Poms: Utah and Pitt?
John Junker: God yes...sold tickets that year good enough, but our TV numbers were in the toilet. As I recall, in the ratings rankings for the day we were just behind a Mr. Belvedere marathon on Lifetime.
Eric Poms: The old Bob Uecker sitcom? Jesus!
John Junker: Imagine that, huh? Live and learn I say.
Eric Poms: So who all you looking at?
John Junker: We'll after Texas does a Chuck Norris on the Huskers, we're pretty much down to four teams. What about you?
Eric Poms: Assuming Clemson wins, and we've been pretty religious in our prayer rituals to help us along on that one, we're looking at three to five teams.
John Junker: Don't want the Nerds to get the auto bid, eh?
Eric Poms: Oh please no. We need to make a profit this year. Truth be told, we should find a way to break our contract with the ACC. They're just killing us.
John Junker: I hear ya. We ain't looking at any of them boys and haven't for years. That conference can't play with anything but a round ball. I pity you for havin ‘em.
Eric Poms: Yeah. We're not opposed to a playoff if we're going to be stuck with them. So obviously you're looking at Boise, just like us. What do you know? How did they pan out last time?
John Junker: Nice enough team. They got them a nice coach. He'll do whatever you ask him. But don't no one in America know who the hell he is. They play in front of 35,000 on a sunny day. They're on TV at godforsaken hours of the day on godforsaken days of the week. Never on a damn Saturday. They probably have a east coast following of paramedics and bartenders, ‘cause they kick-off at two in the morning or some such. West coast people like ‘em I assume.
Eric Poms: That's it? 35,000?
John Junker: Oh, yeah. Gotta do your homework son. The stadium used to hold 17,000 but they expanded a few years back. I know what your thinkin, most Texas high schools play in front of more than that. It ain't a lot of bee-hinds, I'll give you that.
Eric Poms: 17,000 is about how many can be seated in the sky boxes at Tiger Stadium in Baton Rouge.
John Junker: I know. Well, it ain't a big state to begin with though.
Eric Poms: What else?
John Junker: Well, they're an all or nothing team when it comes to competin'. Sure everyone remembers when they tossed the sevens against Stoops and Company, but we all know with all that rinky dink crapola they do, they could just as easily get rolled by 40.
Eric Poms: You know, I'll tell you the truth. I told our committee I would come look at them but we need our tickets sold this year and I just can't see the equivalent of their whole stadium buying a plane ticket to South Florida. We need schools to buy 18,000 tickets minimum but we expect 25,000 to 30,000 really.
John Junker: Then there's the culture shock. You do know that one of the largest sports events in the state this year was Monster Jam...40-some thousand.
Eric Poms: The Truck show? You sure?
John Junker: ...and Border Days too. They had a huge showing for that.
Eric Poms: What's that?
John Junker: A rodeo. Literally, dogs and ponies.
Eric Poms: Good God. I can't bring these people to South Beach.
John Junker: Not unless you wanna do a McCloud.
Eric Poms: McCloud?
John Junker: The ‘ol Dennis Weaver TV show on Sunday nights back in the day. Yeah, it flip-flopped with Columbo and McMillan and Wife. I just loved that 'ol boy. It was 'bout a Texas Ranger who finds himself solvin crimes in New York City, where he fits in about as well as jeans in a linen closet. But anyway, them Boise folks they like their football well enough. I wouldn't hold my breath waitin for 'em to hit the beach, but they'll be respectful and all.
Eric Poms: Didn't McMillan and Wife star Rock Hudson as McMillan?
John Junker: Yep. That's some acting there.
Eric Poms: So, you taking Boise with your first pick then?
John Junker: Hell no. We're either taking Iowa or Penn State with that one.
Eric Poms: We got them on our list too.
John Junker: Well, cross ‘em off then. We ain't letting them get by us.
Eric Poms: So Boise would be your second pick then?
John Junker: Between them, TCU and Cinncy, unless Pitt beats them ‘em of course.
Eric Poms: If Cinncy loses do you then look at Pitt? 10-2 at that point you know?
John Junker: Not a snowball's chance in Glendale. Those Pitt fans wouldn't attend the second ‘comin of Jesus Christ himself...even if it were in God damned Philly.
Eric Poms: Yeah, I've heard they're pretty provincial. They're not on our radar either. My concern with Boise--besides the number of fans--is that they might not be competitive.
John Junker: We'll, does a squirrel love his nuts? Of course they might not be competitive. They played half their games against the lowest ranked teams in the country. They played Miami of the Ohio variety for God sakes. Have you seen Miami play? Them boys can't call a coin toss without gettin injured or an unsportsmanlike. Aweful, aweful team.
Eric Poms: The old Roethlisberger school?
John Junker: He still claims them? Well, well. You know, Miami's got one victory this year, one, and it might have been a forfeit. Boise also played San Jose State. Well, you know about that team don't ya?
Eric Poms: No.
John Junker: Well, that San Jose team won one game against a FBS school, and guess who that was?
Eric Poms: I give.
John Junker: New Mexico State...the team Boise is playing today. The lord giveth, the lord taketh away. Blessed be the lord. My mama used to say that.
Eric Poms: I see. The schedule does seem a little cannibalistic. It's like Lord of the Flies but with cleats.
John Junker: Yep. The schedule of this here Boise team is a problem. It's filled with, this here's French, a poi pourri of teams that couldn't win a Division II title. I half expect some of them teams to drop football altogether about now. But, hey, they got that Oregon win.
Eric Poms: Yeah, that's what my committee said, "Hey, Boise beat Oregon!" So here I am. I also gotta see the blue turf.
John Junker: Used to be black turf when they were D-II you know.
Eric Poms: Black turf! Are you serious?
John Junker: Naw, just shittin ya. But it may as well be. You can't see a damn thing during the game because they wear them matching unis. Hell, after the first quarter I just went to the concession stand to get the chili fries. These people can do fries.
Eric Poms: Yeah, I wondered about that...the turf, not the fries.
John Junker: Let me tell you something. These Boise folks are crazy like a fox. This team's got it all figured out. The turf, the crazy damn plays. Listen here, they schedule one tough team every year, and pour the whole playbook into beating that team. Then after that game's over what's left is 11 weeks of the Sisters of the Poor. That is ‘til bowl season. And they're disciplined. They just wait out the BCS rankings, like a hostage negotiator. But, them boys in Fort Worth pulled a fast one on ‘em this year.
Eric Poms: Fort Worth?
John Junker: TCU.
Eric Poms: Oh, right!
John Junker: Course, TCU only played two teams this year themselves. But it's a real enough conference they play in. You know, I do believe if you shipped these Boise boys into that Mountain West Conference there, they'd get a heavy dose of Whup Ass. Don't ask me 'bout them going to a Pac-10, I'm a family man.
Eric Poms: I can't figure you out Junker. One minute you sound like you're going to invite them, the next minute you don't.
John Junker: Well, I guess we'd invite them this year.
Eric Poms: You would? But...
John Junker: Hell, if we get Penn State or Iowa---and we will get one of ‘em---we might sell out the stadium just with them. With either of those two schools you could play a God damned scrimmage, shirts and skins with yellow flags danglin off their hips, and they'd sell that son of bitch out. So our second invite don't matter a whole hill of beans.
Eric Poms: But you want a competitive game though. Right?
John Junker: Damn tootin.
Eric Poms: So you picking Boise or not?
John Junker: If TCU get's gobbled up by you, then probably.
Eric Poms: We don't want TCU because that would mean the Nerds won. TCU and Clemson already played and we don't want a rematch. Also, TCU can't sell out a home game. So major red flag.
John Junker: God no. A rematch in a bowl game is like sittin through David Mamet's Oleanna. My daughter got the little lady and me tickets to that in NYC one year. ‘Bout ripped my ears off after 10 minutes of that damn Meisner technique shit.
Eric Poms: Meisner technique?
John Junker: You know, where the actor says the same lines over and over again but with different intent.
Although, I gotta say that I liked the repetition in Glengarry, Glen Ross...but not in a bowl match-up.
Eric Poms: We'd like to get Iowa to be honest, or Penn State. The last time we had Iowa there were 35,000 inside the stadium and 8,000 people just sat outside the stadium all though the game. It was amazing. Just tailgating and having a good old time. They wanted in of course, but the game was way sold out. Those were some serious numbers.
John Junker: Forget about the Big Ten son. Don't even say it in your sleep. They're gone. We won't let ‘em get to you. You need to focus on Clemson, they're your only hope for ticket sales.
Eric Poms: But don't you want a match-up of the undefeateds? You could match-up Boise and TCU or TCU and Cinncy?
John Junker: No way Jose. I'm not much interested in matching up two cowboy schools. Last I checked, the Marlboro man weren't much of a shopper. They'll buy a T-shirt from an illegal vendor outside the stadium, but more than few will probably sleep in their F-150s, and show five minutes before kick-off and skedaddle out of town five minutes after the final gun. We need some tourists son. From what I've heard from the Outback and Cap One boys, these here Hawkeye fans are like Daryl Hannah in Splash...they'll come down here and buy out the town.
Eric Poms: I was afraid you'd say that. We'll we might be stuck with the Boise team then. If Clemson wins we'll have them or Cinncy and Cinncy was a disaster last year. No one on our committee wants to see them again. They don't travel and they don't make the networks happy.
John Junker: Take Boise. You may not sell out and you might not do your local economy any favors but at least you'll be the good guy this year.
Eric Poms: Being the good guy doesn't pay the bills though.
John Junker: Well, it's all moot anyway. Obama is going to force a playoff on us all.
Eric Poms: If the alternative is being stuck with TCU, Cinncy or Boise...that may not be such a bad thing.
John Junker: You're going to be stuck with them with a playoff too! Anyway, once they force the playoff I'm outta here. That'll be the end of the junkets, the gifts, and the free meals. Hell, as far as I am concerned once they dump the bowl system, batten down the hatches ‘cause here comes the socialism.
Eric Poms: But at least I won't feel like I'm forced to take a Boise. In the current system I practically have to invite them. The system makes it appear as though I want them. I want Notre Dame! I want Florida, Miami, or Florida State. I want Oklahoma or Texas.
John Junker: Eric, you got a lot to learn son. Some of the freest markets have some of the greatest restrictions.
Eric Poms: Huh?
John Junker: So, you gonna eat that last potato cake there?
Eric Poms: No, you can have it. I've lost my appetite.
John Junker: Don't mind if I do.
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A rematch in a bowl game is like sittin through David Mamet’s Oleanna.
Bravo, Mr. MyAss. Bravo.
http://www.rivalryesq.com/
The quintessential Big Ten smoking room.
"That's some acting there."
Indeed.
by Bucketochicken on Dec 4, 2009 5:15 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I don't get . . .
Why the Arizona guy talks like Bobby Bowden and the Florida guy talks like a diction teacher.
If only Boise traveled...
…as well as they troll (to the Boise fans that were at the bottom of the thread the other day, I’m not talking about you nice folks).
SMA, I can only assume that the muse for this was those top-of-the-thread fuckers. I heard one of their mothers got the dog AIDS and went crazy from syphilis (at least that’s what I heard).
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Dec 4, 2009 7:46 PM CST reply actions
Irony, derision, and wit
are the building blocks of my humor. I take no prisoners. Although, I’m no killer either.
Boise suffers what we suffer…lack of respect. One would think we would be kindred spirits…but perhaps not.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
Nope. Not enough respect to go around for the disrespected.
That’s why we get aolng so well with the PSU kids. They are respected, and, they are smart enough/classy enough/have the persepctive to respect us. Our competition with them does not really go anywhere beyond the field of play.
by Bucketochicken on Dec 4, 2009 8:16 PM CST up reply actions
We probably would be
but of course, there isn’t enough to go around, so any competition for that limited respect causes us to turn on each other.
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Dec 4, 2009 8:47 PM CST up reply actions
No actually...
…I was cheering for Boise all year, cause they’re trying to fuck up the Big Dogs too (so-to-speak). That doesn’t mean I’ll stand for trollers talking trash without responding, but I do enjoy watching those guys surprising better teams on the field (which is why I respect the team- – no they haven’t proven it over and over throughout a season, but they’ve proven that they aren’t to be overlooked).
/olive branch’d
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Dec 4, 2009 9:38 PM CST up reply actions
Well written...
However, I suppose you didn’t take the time to actually research what Boise State’s record is against those “real teams” that play in the Mountain West Conference.
Here…I’ll tell you: they’re 13-1
The one loss? A one-pointer to TCU last year.
Holy misleading stats.
Ten of those wins over MWC teams came over teams that finished with a losing record — doesn’t exactly sound like the cream of the crop there.
Not sure why, but it fits.
For some reason, I hear the voice of the creepy old man from Family Guy as the voice of John Junker.
by formerlyanonymous on Dec 4, 2009 10:43 PM CST reply actions
Creepy indeed.
And to picture Herbert as John Junker say “Penn State”, with that whistling lisp, rivals JoePa’s contribution to the “recruiting” commercial on the BTN.
Furthermore, it’s 11:15 PM and I’m quickly losing coherent brain patterns for the evening. That being said, I present:


“Linebacker U is in my basement”.
"Oh no, don't do that, don't do that. If you shoot him, you'll just make him mad." - The Waco Kid
by HawkOnRails on Dec 4, 2009 11:17 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
and so
the back and forth fan Bowl game jabs begin and it’s not even official. Reminds of the good times last year vs S. Carolina
by Pain in the Sash on Dec 5, 2009 12:45 AM CST reply actions
According to Morehouse's sources,
Iowa in the Fiesta is a go, pending a Texas victory in the Big XII title game.
by The Mexican't on Dec 5, 2009 1:39 AM CST up reply actions
I disaggree
this back and forth has been boring. I miss the smelly cock jokes
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Dec 6, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
Wow..
All the talk on the other thread of the bcs game with Iowa and BSU fans i can handle.. this? Ha.
If this were any BCS team in the BCS running besides Iowa, I mgiht stand for it. But you guys? The team that was losing in like… what, 8 of its first 9 games, talking like this?
I Only have 1 Question.
How does it feel to be the only “Big 6” team in the nation that is being considered for a BCS bowl that will be underdogs to the lowly ol Boise State Broncos?
Your going to make excuses up your ass when we put atleast 30 on you guys.
Old enough to know better, too young to care.
Wow indeed
You’ve been ranked ahead of us all season long and in the top ten most of it, yet still can’t shake the inferiority complex. I guess old habits die hard. Are you a big-league team or not? If you are, start acting like it instead of this ‘lowly ol BSU’ bullshit.
by Brock Sampson on Dec 5, 2009 4:19 AM CST up reply actions
I am amazed
at how unprepared for the big time their fans are. They’re practically begging for disrespect.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
Congratulations...
on supporting the exact thing that keeps your team out of legitimate title conversations. Until you shed the “busters” moniker, you’re never going to be respected. Until then, enjoy being butt hurt.
/O'keefe'd
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Dec 5, 2009 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
I must admit...
when I saw the length of this work, and the fact that it began with a discussion of potato pancakes, I said to myself: “Man, I wish Stoops would just control himself and just write one good thing per week instead of put up some half-brained crap every other day.”
But then, I began to read. And I laughed. Especially when he made the “Mr. Belvedere” joke about Utah and Pitt.
And now, I must salute your work, sir. I must also point out that there was no cannibalism in Lord of the Flies, but I do so with my hand raised to by brow.
Go Hawks!
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
Very nice sir
he old English class discusson resurrected. You are 100% correct there is not any mention of or serious hints at cannibalism in Lord of the Flies. It is one of those literary myths that I leveraged for humor sake. Although, there is most certainly cannibalism in the figurative sense, wouldn’t you say? A better reference might have been Suddenly, Last Summer a play by our very own Tennessee Williams…but I thought it too obscure.
And, I think you correct, I should make every effort to take you up on your advice for me to write better stuff more infrequently.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
I am too dim...
to know that you were intentionally trying to be funny with the cannibalism quote. While I did take two years of AP English in high school (and I got a 2 grade on the AP test after my senior year, which got me out of taking any college English), my literature knowledge is pretty limited.
I definitely would not have understood the “Suddenly, Last Summer” joke, so you certainly made the right choice. And yes, in a figurative sense, there is cannibalism in “Lord of the Flies.” I think my English teacher (a 50-year-old lady who was the wife of a Lutheran minister) at the time was trying to get us to pick up on the sado-masochistic undertones instead of that, so the “figurative cannibalism” angle is not as burned into my brain as the contrast of a seemingly straight-laced middle-aged woman who was trying to point out that young boys were getting off on hurting/killing each other.
As for my comment about your frequency of writing, I was mostly trying to be funny. Your work is always welcomed and appreciated (although, I must admit, I appreciated this bowl dialogue more than your Cher album tome from a week or so ago).
Keep up the good work.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Dec 5, 2009 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, the gypsies piece
was a way for me to use some of that anthro stuff that I, for some reason, love to read. I knew it was going to be tough making it interesting. A couple of guys from a prior thread encouraged me to write it, so i gave it a shot. Although, I do think it helps tease out the whole which is better arguement between – - – losing a BCS game or winning a Cap One bowl game against an SEC team. If the anthropological theories are to be used and trusted, we take losing the BCS game.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
You're probably right.
Although, depending on how we could win the CapOne, a Hawkeye fan might take that win. For example: compare how we lost the Orange at the end of the 02 season, and “the Catch” against LSU.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Dec 5, 2009 2:57 PM CST up reply actions
The nature of wins is important, too.
Hypothetically speaking, a blowout win over LSU would mean more among the punditry than a close win over Boise State despite the fact that LSU has 3 (4?) losses. Brand name means a lot.
But after the smoke settles
having BCS games on your resume are huge. Teams that get there tend to get there again through the invite. And since he have many nice intangibles, good travelling fanbase and often on TV, we could become a consistent invite if we can win 10 games often enough.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
BTW...
for anyone watching football right now, Pitt is officially on the verge of crushing Cincy right now (24-10 in the 2nd quarter, and just got the ball back with a punt block).
Is it safe to say that Wanny’s most consistent wins trend would be titled “When Iowa fan want him to win the least” ?
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
Of course...
as soon as I say that, Cincy takes the kickoff back to the house, to get back within 2 TDs.
Go Bearcats! Don’t f*** up Iowa’s BCS chances!
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
No Kidding
I sent my buddy a text to say how bad Cincy was shitting the bed, and they run that kick back for a TD
They took the bar, the whole fucking bar!
by recoveringfratguy on Dec 5, 2009 12:34 PM CST reply actions
I'd Also
Really like it if ABC 7 in Chicago could get their feed figured out. I think I’ve watched the TV be frozen longer than actually watching the game live.
They took the bar, the whole fucking bar!
by recoveringfratguy on Dec 5, 2009 12:36 PM CST reply actions
Ok...
this is officially appropriate for Cinci/Pitt.
/O'keefe'd
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Dec 5, 2009 12:44 PM CST reply actions
MMM potato pancakes.
If the BSU fans would just offer those as a peace offering, all might be forgiven.
Anyway, I started an open thread to discuss all of today’s CFB shenanigans.
In all seriousness
1. Amazing SMA, simply amazing. Your work this season has truly been a sight to behold.
2. Ratings death. Good point about the Boise-OU game (and Pitt-Utah), for all the love/media adoration that Boise got out of that one, simple fact is that no one was watching it. Boise, and TCU to a lesser extent this year, is a team that the media likes to point to as “deserving” and make a huge case for, and then not actually watch them. In other words, it’s another case of the media making the story/controversy just to have something to talk about, then not paying attention when it gets in the way of anothe rmeme (Our Holy Lord & Savior, Tebow).
Don’t get me wrong, I think Boise definitely deserves to go to a BCS game, just that their “cause” is aided immensely by the ESPNs and Dennis Dodd’s of the world ginning up fake controversy to sell pixels.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Ratings
Hardly anyone has seen TCU because of the Mountain West’s awful, awful TV deals. Almost all of their games have been on Versus or The MTN or CBS College Sports or somesuch. They’re the least talked-about and least-seen 12-0 team in modern times.
I think Boise is a bigger part of the narrative of the college football season since (a) they’ve been the “darling of the mid-majors” for a few years now so people are familiar with them and (b) it seems like half their games have been on one of the WWL channels. Granted, they’re usually on weird nights or at weird times, but I’d be stunned if their games hadn’t been seen by a LOT more CFB gans than TCU.
I don’t think TCU being a 12-0 enigma does them any favors in this department. I don’t think most people say, “Wow, I really wanna see this 12-0 team I’ve never watched aside from a few highlights on SportsCenter.” I think they say, “This 12-0 team I’ve never seen must not be that legitimate — if they were, their games would have been on ESPN or ABC or something, right?”
If the "mid-majors" want a legit shot at getting invited more often...
then they probably need to round up the best and form a new conference.
Can you imagine a conference of:
Boise St, Hawaii, TCU, Utah, BYU, Air Force, Houston, ECU, UCF, Navy.
Maybe add two to six more of these: New Mexico, UNLV, Colorado State, San Diego State, UTEP, Southern Methodist, Tulsa, Rice, Southern Miss, Army, Fresno State, Troy.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
I would add -- of the "others"
So. Miss and Fresno State…I would take Hawaii out though. I would replace them with UNLV or Tulsa.
UNLV is a sleeping giant in my mind. If they could get into a decent conf then they could get a good coach. Then they could fundraise and God knows there is money there. That program should be doing what Boise is doing.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
Oh, and
nice job on this. very interesting
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

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